How To Cycle Herbal Supplements To Increase Testosterone
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 16. 11. 2021
- How To Cycle Herbal Supplements To Increase Testosterone- Ashwagandha, Tongkat Ali, Shilajit, and Turkesterone.
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(Disclaimer: Nothing in this video is should be taken as personal medical advice. Even though I am super uber smart, and have a degree in Clinical Nutrition, I am not providing you with any personal advice. If you have any health concerns please consult with a qualified health care practitioner that aligns with your goals and values. There also may be affiliate links in this video that I may make commissions from. However, all products listed are freaking awesome)
On recovery days, and days that I don't take Tongkat Ali, I usually split my Ecdysteroid and Shilajit dose up between breakfast and lunch.
It is also worth noting that I have been taking Ashwagandha and Tongkat Ali for several years now and so I donât need to take these every day. I have already reached the point of diminishing return, and so periodic use of these specific compounds works best for me. If you are just now starting to take these, you may want to take a daily supplementation approach for a while before switching to a micro-cycle protocol as I do.
My stance on the need to cycle turkesterone is very loosely held currently. There may be a point of diminishing returns, at which point it may be easier on your wallet to take periodic breaks. But again, this may not be necessary.
I usually prefer to take Ashwagandha after my workout instead of before. Taking it before your workout can improve strength performance but it may also blunt some of the health benefits of exercise that come from the adaptation to the stress that occurs during exercise. This is also theoretical, and may not be practically relevant, but it may be something to be mindful of.
For those that experience more performance-enhancing effects from ecdysteroids, or work out more often than I do, you may also want to consider swapping this protocol in favor of prioritizing adaptogen intake on your recovery days instead of your workout days. This will allow you to use the adaptogens listed as recovery tools, as opposed to performance tools. But again, this comes down to what you personally prefer.
0:00 - Introduction
1:18 - Ashwagandha Mechanisms of Action
3:56 - Tongkat Ali MoA
5:10 - Shilajit MoA
6:00 - Turkesterone MoA
7:00 - How to cycle
9:47 - Conclusion
how long would you recommend to take ashwagandha and tongkat daily before cycling them? and any reason why not to cycle immediately?
Is the amount of Turk taken dependent on what goals you are looking to achieve in the gym or is it your height/weight?
Could you outline a dosage in mg to take these ?
Great Video man, good info. I was also wondering what you thought about Cistanche Tubulosa?
one day trenbolone the other the herbal an you FULL natty (asf) easyyyyyyyyy
Finally someone in the "fitness industry" who is acknowledging and discussing the power of Shilajit.
Itâs Indian herb.
@@memechannel3345 Ayurveda Herbomineral
@@colekismet yeah. Ayurveda comes from Indian sages. Science was developed there with proper concoction.
@@memechannel3345 Pretty amazing stuff
Whatâs the best brand of Shilajit to get?
I absolutely love your content dude. The way you break down the mechanisms and research is exactly what Iâve been looking for! New sub and tons of likes in bound
Glad you enjoy it man. Thanks for the kind words, and for commenting.
all four of these are so good. its like a veil has been lifted on my my mind. there is a core feeling of confidence and inner calm even in situations where you really can not be
Its gonna be cool to see this channel grow. Great and informative content.
Thanks Zack. I was looking for this. Great work
I love the editing tricks you use for your videos, super slick, great content, keep it coming!
glad you like it. thanks for the kind words.
This is one of the most clearest, Informative, and the least boring than pretty much most of the videos I've seen on youtube. Nice one mate. Top one. âïž
what a solid video! VERY informative thanks for the amazing video man.
My dude thank you so much! I have been searching endlessly for someone to put mechanism into layman's terms as to why you should not take ashwagandha indefinitely. I've been taking 300-600mg of KSM-66 daily for over a year and thought it might not be the smartest idea... but, no one could give me any solid reason to stop and it helped immensely to regulate stress as advertised. The way you put the "gray effect" which comes from prolonged use though, yes! I've been reevaluating my supplementation because I was considering going on an antidepressant but now thanks to you I am going to just cycle off the ashwagandha and see if that alleviates some of the anhedonia or "gray effect" which I've been feeling. I really respect your ability to take scientific evidence and make it accessible for people who need to apply this information to real life. As much as I love Andrew Huberman all he said was, "don't take ashwagandha for more than 2 weeks cause you shouldn't". Uhhh... c'mon man! Thanks to you I'm not scared to stop and I know any unpleasantness associated with discontinuing the stuff for awhile will alleviate itself in time and be for the best. So thanks again man, it's not every day one can find such solid, relatable, and immediately applicable information on the internet.
Hey man, its been 2 months so you probably cycled off Ashwaghanda already. But the anhedonia will go away after a week or 2. I did the same, took KSM-66 for about a year straight and definitely got the grey effect. It sucks after a while. You may have found this out already, but yeah definitely cycle. We both learned the hard way haha
Did it work?
Anhedonia with KSM-66 is real and can take a long time to recover from. Iâve started seeing ashwagandha in sports drinks, which I think can be dangerous. Personally I just stay away from it now, not worth the risk.
Thank you for noting the 'grey effect' that Ash can influence - I have taken a break from Ash for this reason, but I hope to return to using it at lower dosages, and less frequently.
Instantly subscribed
I am clutching onto this subscription for grim life, fantastic!
You never gave instructions on how to cycle...
Good stuff ... thanks a lot man
Thank you for this amazing video and content, I've got a small question. Regarding Ashwagandha and Tongkat Ali how about taking them everyday for 3 months and then stopping for one month and then again the same? It would be much better for me I think since I workout almost everyday because of my split. What do you think about it? Any suggestions? Thanks a lot in advance!
Really loving your videos my dude. Thank you!
No problem man. Glad you enjoy!
I was literally just looking for this.... Timing incredible!
LMAO SAME HERE
Me too bro đ€Łđ€Ł
Subscribed, good information, good video thank you
Great video! Been taking tongkat ali, ashwagsnda and stinging nettle root. Was wondering about how to cycle them
Never came across this channel before, but you just earned a subscribe from me. Nice content bro. Your approach reminds me of Derek from More Plates More Dates, and he has skyrocketted in the past year. I bet the same will happen for you if you keep this up
Glad you like the content man!
Agreed, same vibe but more âdrâ and less âbroâ
@@nl3712 lol
Great video. Something Iâve always wondered but havenât seen you talk about. Will long term supplementation show permanent changes within the body or will they wear off when you stop taking them?
no studies yet , we shall see
Hey Zach, just found your channel. Great content! Do you think any of these supplements, in particular Ashwagandha, would interfere with SSRIs? TIA
Dude thank you for this video
Maca Powder, Tongkat Ali, Ashwaghanda, Black Seed Oil, Omega Fish Oil is a must in me.
Great job. đ
Hi Zach- Thanks for all your vids. Used your promo for the LGC Test as well. Iâm not seeing a video in your library on DHEA. Can you do a vid with the latest research? Seems like it was all the rage a few years ago but not on the radar so much these days, but I still hear amazing things about it. Thanks
thankyou for your work. you merit every like i give you
Amazing content!! Just subbed and will share. Can you please do a video on the pathways of how Maca root works in the body?
it also appears to be a photo estrogen of sorts.
Amazing video! Subbed :)
Top notch content and the the way of intake you proposse is very interesting , could you please give us a range of doses of each compund , that would be very valuable , thanks
Perfect video, perfect timing. Great job. Glad I decided to buy shilajit instead of fadogia considering its toxicity
How have you found shilajit compares to fadogia? Besides the toxicity, would you say it was a lateral move? Upgrade? Downgrade?
Hey Bud. Thanks for all the useful information and clearing out the doubts. Just one question. Can we take Boron and Turkesterone together at the same time? Like u said 12 hr difference between tongat ali and Turkesterone is best. So Is Taking Boron and Turkesterone together ok or not?
Another great video Zack, quick question I was taking about 6 caps of Turk throughout the day feeling the strength benefit, was looking to implement Tongkat what time of the day should I do so, and then begin the Turk.
Thanks đ€đŒ
the half life of ecdy's seam to be pretty long so it may not be super important to space your intake out throughout the day. You can either take one in the morning and one in the afternoon. Or you can alternate days. There is no exact science here, just speculation.
Thank you for the killer truth in everything you put out bro!! As a natural 50+ year old bodybuilder you channel is much needed in this industry!@ Thank you brother!! Good shit!!đȘđ„đ„
Thanks for the kind words man! I appreciate the comment.
I started taking shilajit two weeks ago. The tar works great! Lots more energy. Sleeping better.
I actually liked your background music
Especially the last one it was peaceful
Can you name that one!!!
Ive been taking tongkat ali & fadogia agrestis together for a few weeks now and has been great, but wondering if it's safe to cycle in ksm 66 as well or should I take it separate from the other 2?
I love your stuff dood I was using a lot of these in the dark without much knowledge other than the bro science off of reddit but this has definitely got me to thinking about potential interactions with some of my other supps like sabroxy and epicatechin.
would like to hear your thoughts on adaptogens such as rhodiola, holy basil st johns wort. Thanks!
thoughts??
Any thoughts on beginning this kind of supplementation, I plan on starting ash (ksm-66) and Tongkat but I imagine I should stagger them to see effects from each individually? Wondering what your thoughts are on it and how long I should "test" each out before stacking them. Thanks!
Thank you thanks to you i found a natural way to become stronger and healthier mentally and physically.
I take all of these and sarms and have no side effects and also im 55 ,but make sure you take liver protection ,the best is milk thisle or nac or tudca ,stay safe and keep training đ
Hi Zach, great channel. What do you think of adding boron to this stack in order to lower SHBG and increase free test?
For sure. Boron is pretty dang safe and effective. Ive never noticed a huge bump in test levels, but the research is sound. I have a video on boron if you want to search my channel for it.
Another BANGER
Great video sir đ Have you ever experimented with spilathes acmella?
Can you do a video on the supposed test boosting effects of pomegranate extract (peel) and cocoa extract (bean)? I read an article about it and the supposed results in free test production are beneficial.
Great video, but since you have talked about adaptogens do you think that taking rhodiola on an empty stomach before workout not a good idea ?
Hey man great video as always. Iâm just wondering when you say space out intake of tongkat and turk, what would you recommend as an effective window of time in between the two?
at least 6 hours. But this is just speculation.
How do we best avoid tolerance? Is it macro cycling or micro cycling? What would you recommend? Appreciate it!
Wow, this has got to be one of the best and most informative videos on CZcams! Great work manđȘ just started trying out ashwagandha to see if I can do better in the gym. TBH not expecting much but itâs keeping me distracted from thinking about starting steroids. Been working out for 24 years since I was 18 and panic about losing muscle.. I sincerely hope this works because Iâm scared shitless of convincing myself to do just one tiny cycle of test and ending up getting hooked. Hard being natty in this day n age. Young kids at my gym make gains in one year that have taken me 6 years to make
keep pushin and workin hard
Yeah, it takes me a year to recomp 5 pounds, and my 23 year old son takes up weight training at 21 and packs on 45 pounds of lean weight in a year and a half! I get it, brother.
I'd suggest switching up your entire program. Mike Mentzer Heavy Duty program can do wonders as we get older as it allows for more rest and growth.
Don't compare with kids or anyone, you'll never win that battle. Just focus on slow steady progress and be the best you that you can be. I'm 46 and about 6-7% bf all year long. I don't care about how heavy I lift and just focus on having that mind muscle connection. We are playing the long ball game, marathon not sprint. The good thing about slow gains to me is it makes you focus on all the details that younger or genetically blessed individuals take for granted. If you got a good foundation you'll keep the majority of your gains for life and that to me is the ultimate goal don't ya think? I know a ton of bodybuilders are dudes on the sauce who look awesome but ever see those dudes after their comp days are over? Than you got the guys who bulk year long to look great for a month out the year. Keep doing the basics and have a great foundation, brick by brick.
Thanks for the information! Can you provide a link(s) to the study/studies showing Tongkat Ali's interaction with the estrogen receptors (i.e. its activity as a SERM)? I could only find papers on tongkat acting as a aromatase inhibitor.
I started shilajit around a week ago, and this stuff is amazing
How so
Awesome video Zack. Question, where would I be able to get most of this supplements online? Iâve tried multiple times getting them from stores and I rarely find what I need.
you can get them all on amazon
I Discovered your channel last week and Iâve been binge watching since , one question about Ashwaganda âŠ. I had my thyroid completed removed because of a sickness and was wondering if i can still get benefits from ashwaganda ? Thanks
Superb!! Thank You!Iâve been racking my brain with this đȘ
Algo here, great work!
I've been running Ashwagandha and Tongkat Ali this cut and will see how it affects me during a cut. I have been taking it every morning together with breakfast, I have tremendous progress in the gym so far. I would not say that I am getting stronger, but I do have more control over heavier weights now, and I am able to do dips easily with no collarbone pain.
Update?
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love the video zac. What do you think about boron + tongkat ali combined?
Good mix throw in some zinc to it works wonders
I started this a couple months ago. Definitely great. Just remember to cycle off boron every few days or at most two weeks on and one week off.
Tongkat for me despite what he said in the video seems to work great during the lift and Turk combined. But I do stretch Turk to an evening and morning workout dose. I honestly felt aggravated and aggressive when taking tongkat separate. Even tho itâs blunted when all are taken
"The grey effect" describes my few months on Zoloft perfectly...it's like depressing stoicism in a pill
Great video!
What are your thoughts on either Bovine Testicle Extract or Safed Musli?
Safes Musli may have a negative effect on sperm quality, needs further safety research.
I take bull testi a few times a week but I canât say I notice a big difference even when taken every day. Plus it may down-regulate natural T production. I would consider it extremely experimental at best.
@@NutritionLibrary Very good... thanks!
have been taking rhodiola rosea and ecdysterone for years. at first i was surprised how good it works
I just ordered all my supplement/herbs and was about to search if I cycle them and here this is
I've been taking ashwaganda for probably a couple years now. No side effects that I'm aware of. I have taken some small brakes here are there. Also just added shaljit and tangcat ali recently. Will see how things go. So far so good!
Awesome! good to hear your experience!
Any update?
@@kennysr. yes, basically ditched the shalajit. I had a couple blood tests and my total and free Testosterone went down when I off ashwaganda and boron but taking shalajit and likely low quality tangkat ali. So now I'm back on ashwaganda and boron but still taking a new batch of Tangkat ali but may not reorder it after. Also stated taking DAA (d aspartic asid)
Hey! I really appreciate the content, I've tried to wade through a lot of information and it's pretty overwhelming, so I appreciate you doing it for us! :)
Hey I wonder if you've got your own stack posted up anywhere? It would be very interesting to see what the guy who's done all the research actually takes regularly himself :D
Just checked your site but I can't see anything there. Would make a great vid or just a constant part of your site which could be updated whenever you change it??
Thanks again!
Literally clicked send and saw the thumbnail for the 'my supplement stack' video đ
Hi thanks for the great video. Shilajit gave me a lot of energy. Just wanna ask do I need to cycle it or I can take it everyday
You look good!đ And I like your mustache, really suits youđ
Shilajit is one of the best natural mood and stamina enhancer I've been taking so far! Sometimes I don't even know what to do with all the energy. I will try Tongat Ali and take Shilajit off-days!
thanks bro. let me know how it goes.
Does tongkat Ali or ashwagandha have any effects on hormonal production once coming off ? Is it worth taking them in the first place ?
i was just thinking this morning, 'i wonder when the cycling video drops?'!
Hello!
Any Rhodiola Rosea alternative ideas?
Really want to try, but not available in my country, and buy in aboard is too expensive...
Thank you
I went from 334 to 960 in around 3 months all natural no TRT. This book should be essential reading for all men. Written by a 50s guy with natural T levels of a 20s guy
Complete guide to testosterone by james Francis
Where would one get each of these? Could u perhaps put links in the video description?
Can you recommend what brands for each of these? THX
How much time between ingestion there should be between Tongkat ali & Turk? If you take tongkat for breakfast, have a workout, then post workout shake with turk about 2,5-3 hours after the breakfast is that too soon?
can u do a updated video on the best testosterone stack ?
Boss video mate, I definitely went into the grey area of ashwagandah after taking it everyday for about 4-5 months. I took a 2 week break from them and I have now switched to micro cycling however I still feel the âgrey areaâ side effects when I take ashwagandah. How long does it take for everything to balance out so I feel normal again?
Try lowering the dose instead of the frequency. Might just be too much for you now.
Would love to see you talk about NMN & Resveratrol!
coming up very soon!
Awesome!! I've seen great results using them myself!
@@NutritionLibrary second request for same. Thanks
I'm happy I watch this video cause I've been taking tongkat Ali with the ecdysteroids. I'm going to split those up and do them separately.
Quick question - do you find ecdysterone also stimulating nervous system? I am trying to take the last dose by 6 pm. But I think it is still affecting my sleep. But I think it has to be split in three doses to be taken throughout the day and I am not sure when to fit the last portion
Hey man, I usually canât fault your videos but I do have some issues with this one.
1) Tongkat Ali would work in conjunction with Ecdysteroids, not against one another. Tongkat reduces Oestrogen in males not by binding to receptor sites but by acting as a aromatase inhibitor. This means that both the alpha and beta subset Oestrogen receptors would be left unbound.
Enter Turkesterone and Ecdysterone, these find to the ERB like you have mentioned before, essentially fulfilling a vacant pathway giving an additive effect.
2) again with the Tongkat, you mention that there are no studies around how Tongkat stops SHBG binding to Testosterone but that is misinformed, there is a single clinical trail often referenced in other papers that has shown this effect happening.
That being said, keep up the good content itâs great to see good contributors in this space
Love your work on reddit my man
Do you think regular tongkat is worth trying? Iâve tried the lj100 version and it did nothing.
I have nothing but good things to say about Ksm-66 ashwagandha and ecdysterone. Kim-66 dramatically reduced my cortisol. ecdysterone doesnât seem to do much muscle wise, but it does make me much more bold.
@@philmcrackinnow Tongkat is extremely hit or miss for me. I think over the long term, ashwagandha is better. Try taking shilajit with ashwagandha, together much, much better.
1. As I stated in my previous video the Tongkat Ali and ecdy complement each other, but they do not stack well together. And Tongkat Ali absolutely has the potential to block estrogen receptors. Maybe You aren't aware of this study... pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20665368/ Its ability to inhibit aromatase is somewhat irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
2. I stand by my position that Tongkat Ali DOES NOT decrease SHBG. It was HYPOTHESIZED to do this in the discussion portion of a random study, which was then repeated in several other studies as fact. BUT This action has not been observed in a single research study. But maybe you have access to research that I don't. I would gladly reconsider my position if you could link me to a study that demonstrates its SHBG lowering capacity... However, I am confident it doesn't exist.
@@NutritionLibrary
Does that mean tongkat shouldnât be used at all with ecdysteroids or that it should be taken at a different time of day?
Quality content
I've been taking 500mg of Ashwaganda every day for well over a year. It has always been helpful for my anxiety, but has stopped working. I assume I have built up a tolerance to it.
Thanks for that video !
I tried several times to get access to your free guides but I never receive them in my mail (even in spam)
Oh no! Email me. Zach.allison09@gmail.com
Hey I've been watching a bunch of your videos and others on herbal supplements and thinking about giving them a shot. I'm 38 year old male looking to get a boost of testosterone. I would like to start with one at a time so I know if I'm getting any side effects and can pin point which one is doing it . What would you recommend first ? Is this a dumb question before getting the blood work done?
Long jack tong Ali
About to start a turkesterone, edcysterone, build pm, build xt, creatine cycle. And my no stim ghost pre workout, i got bucked up too but rarely use it.
Great information, you did a breakdown over each little detail of the herbs and how it can effect stacking them together.
What about Tribulus Terrestis? does it work simillar way to Tongkat Ali?
I'v been meaning to stack them both along with Shilajit with dose (250mg of Shilajit, 500mg of Tongkat Ali, 450mg of Tribulus) per day. I'll space the intake through the day.
Will be back with the report after a month or two
Shiloh it doesnât need to be cycled what a blessing of a food
im going to make my on preWO as well because buying some of these from the store or online gets to be to much plus you can put a little more of some thing in because you know what s going in
I love Shilajit one of the best things I've ever taken
please make a video about overtraining , how to overcome it , what to use to overcome it ( resting/supplement/vitamin/minerals)
The 3 supplements listed here are the best oral tools to combat overtraining. In fact they work best in people that overtrain.
Hey Zach, as I'm based in Australia, Is it possible to get the testosterone test ? I mean, that link doesnt indicate that the test can be done outside the US or UK. Btw, thanks for your awesome content. Also, where can i order the ashwagandha, Shilajit and tongkat ali? đ
I'm in NZ. Use i-SCREEN for lab work and iherb for supplements. Pretty sure these are available in Australia too.
T-Drive by Inno Supp contains Ashwaganda. This might be the reason why I gained muscle mass and lean mass even when I haven't been working out lol. Just implemented Shilajit though! Im on my day 2!! LETS GO!
Perfect video
Does Micro-Cycling Ashwagandha/Tongkat Ali still give the testosterone boosting effects?
I had the understanding that it takes some time for this to happen, hence the conventional advice of taking them for a period of weeks/months before cycling off for a shorter time.
I can't imagine that you would get a testosterone boosting effect immediately to help with a workout, as you suggest to take them pre-workout?
I subscribed to your channel you helped me so much, I was taking way too much ashwagandha for way too long and I was having all kinds of bad side effects you helped me figure out what my problem was, Iâm off it now and going through pretty bad withdrawal
Hey Zach new subscriber here. Great channel đ. What is your recommended turkesterone dosage. I do 1500mg but understand I can increase that dosage. Am I doing OK with 1500mg??? Any info would be appreciated đ thanks đ
Combining Shilajit and tonghat Ali is probably my favorite for increasing exercise performance
Iâm a big fan of the 5HT2A receptor đ
What happens if you take too many test herbs together even if you cycle them correctly
Love the information you provide.. my question is at what dosage should you take of each supplement because I take all of these already..
I have videos on each of these individual supplements that cover dosage