Tongkat Ali & Fadogia Agrestis | The Gillett Health Podcast #14
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- Dr. Gillett and James O'Hara NP, Discuss Tongkat Ali & Fadogia Agrestis.
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0:00 Intro
01:28 test boosting supplements
02:58 Tongkat Ali
05:22 Is it a Serm?
06:36 Bro science of MOAs
09:41 Is Tongkat Ali safe?
13:10 TRT and Tongkat
14:45 Does it work for everyone?
15:13 Fadogia Agrestis
16:42 Risk Mitigation
21:54 Life style intervention
36:20 Intermediate fasting
40:37 Getting labs
44:28 Androgen sensitivity
50:15 Outro/GH testing
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Always learning, thanks guys. Great vid.
Thanks for time stamps. Great episode
Glad you enjoyed!
great info guys!!
Thanks for watching!
Would love the link to a quality androgen receptor sensitivity test
You guys should have more subs😤
Awesome stuff. I'm currently a patient of yours with Ben. Ben has been a huge help, helping me getting my Test levels up, natually. Going for bloodwork soon, can't wait to see my results!
We're so happy to hear that, Ben does a great job!
What are u taking , how old are you and what where your results if you dont mind sharing ? :D
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Very humbling.
Vanguinera Agrestis is actually the new official nomenclature for Fadogia. Apparently there was a genus misclassification where different researchers used different names for the same species. Fadogia is my typical naming for my research on this plant so I need to get myself out of that mindset.
This plant in particular actually has two compounds of the Ursolic Acid class, which has a decent amount of information on how it affects hormones in general.
Lp
Great coverage. I’ve always wondered if T-levels maybe less relevant to andro receptor sensitivity/expression. I have quite low T but I’m rather athletic and if I work can make good gains in gym. Maybe my low T correlates with inability to believe in a magic man in the sky but thanks for the good will blessing!
I pray Jesus opens your heart so you do realize that good health comes from God.
How much taurine would you recommend taking to mitigate risk?
- [00:27](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 🎙 Podcast on Tongkat Ali, Fadogia Agrestis, and personalized health, considering genetics and lifestyle.
- [02:31](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 🌱 Tongkat Ali's mechanisms clarified, debunking misconceptions; standardization and impact on steroidogenesis discussed.
- [08:47](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 💪 Benefits of Tongkat Ali, safety, and potential synergy with interventions for insulin sensitivity addressed.
- [15:46](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 🌿 Fadogia Agrestis potential to increase LH and testosterone noted, along with the concept of testicular toxicity.
- [21:27](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 💊 Taurine, Ursolic acid, and N-acetylcysteine recommended in conservative doses with cycling.
- [23:04](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 😴 Quality sleep vital for testosterone; exercise benefits but avoid overtraining; high-fat diet positively impacts testosterone.
- [34:09](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 🍖 Omega-3s, Omega-6s, and careful diet planning essential for fatty acids and amino acids.
- [39:15](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 🩸 Nuanced blood work interpretation needed, considering free hormones, receptor density, sensitivity, and gene transcription.
- [41:07](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) ⏰ Morning hormone tests crucial to avoid diurnal rhythm influence.
- [44:10](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 🧪 Calculating free testosterone with SHBG and total T improves accuracy.
- [45:06](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 🧬 Androgen sensitivity testing available; CAG repeat length measurement relevant, especially for PCOS.
- [48:17](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) ❤ CAG repeat length in men linked to coronary artery disease; awareness crucial for testosterone use.
- [49:42](czcams.com/video/1f-vvHpPXnE/video.html) 🔄 Comprehensive understanding needed; hormones impact multiple body systems, emphasizing a holistic health approach.
Second link (to springer) is broken
Thank you for providing great information and protocols for hormone health! Is Tongkat safe to use while taking 1mg finasteride?
Following
I wonder would this be beneficial for low oestrogen levels and osteoporosis?
So, is the dosage of 600 mg of Fadogia as a recommended dose on Gorilla Mind, not a safe dosage on a 3 weeks on and 1 week off cycle? I have been taking FA and Tongkat on a 3 weeks on and 1 week off cycle with dosages of 100-200 mg of Tongkat and 600 mg of Fadogia (300mg 2 xs a day). Thanks for always providing the community REAL information.
Fadogia needs to be taking carefully. At 80kg bw taking 1200mg of F A for 1month I noticed pain in one of my testicals that would continue for a minute before subsiding though my libido was through the roof and could definitely tell it was increasing my T as I noticed my my drive to complete hard task increased drastically.
At 600mg every day to every 3 days depending on my exercise and diet I notice the same benefits but with no testicular pain and have been on this on and off for about 3 months following my first stint with it.
Ty
Central Illinois.
I got put on TRT while sick with other things. After I recovered the doctors never discussed why I got low. They never tried to figure it out. They still are lazy to address my concerns and I've been to a few. After doing my own research I see some obvious clues in my bloodwork and lifestyle which I'm trying to address but NONE of the doctors tried to address or coach me on these matters. I need to find a real doctor if anyone knows of one in central Illinois area
Great video! What would you consider a good cycle for Tongkat and fadogia? I was considering a staggered approach to minimize damage/tolerance. I was thinking 8 weeks of Tongkat and 4 weeks of fadogia alternating my use.
One month on/one week off of both Tongkat and Fadogia, no more than 300 mg of Fadogia a day.
My shbg is very low how I increase it
Interesting points about AR receptor sensitivity and CAG repeats. I suspect I have some amount of AR sensitivity as I have normal T levels but a lot of Low T symptoms. Ed, low libido, muscle and bone mass.
I even had some genetic testing done by a lab which said I didn’t have any polymorphisms of the AR gene and many other genes linked to klienfelters or KS.
When I asked about if CAG repeats affects androgen sensitivity they said it want a factor which makes me think they don’t fully understand the causes of androgen sensitivity?
Wondering where I can get this checked in the uk
Additionally what’s strange is my sister has PCOS which is kind of the opposite in that she is sensitive to androgens. Although my dad has type 2 diabetes so maybe her case is more insulin dependant
Great info guys! I’m currently taking tongkat/fadogia to increase my T. Did some bloodwork and it was pretty low. (150) I’m VERY overweight.(400lbs/6’1”)
I’ve been doing CrossFit 4-6 days/week for 1.5 years. I’ve certainly put on a ton of lean body mass, but I think I was overtraining.
I’ve recently switched it up to heavy weight training daily with some cardio after.(solo basketball) Hoping for some improvement for my follow up. Doc just wanted to put me on TRT without recommending anything to try “naturally”. Didn’t like that solution as a first option.
How is it going? Lose weight! Fat cells stimulates estradiol that is testosterone's enemy.
With testosterone that low (150) supplementation is not going to really work for you. You need TRT. My 10 year old son has higher T than that. Your below clinically low brother.
There is nothing unhealthy about taking Testesterone if your doctor is prescribing it, you should definitely take Testesterone with your doctor's recommendation especially if it's that low. You'd lose weight in no time
Your weight is likely because of your low test, listen to your doctor on TRT, it’s life.
hell nah bro you need trt get on it. It will help you smash those workouts.
How hard would it be for your practice to get a grant for studying Fadogia Agrestis on humans based on several factors?
Question: What if I take finasteride for hair loss (which I heard may experience loss of libido or possible loss of testosterone?) but also take Tongkat Ali 600-800mg, will tongkat Ali help keep my testosterone in normal range still and/or will it disrupt my hormones when taking finasteride as well? Thanks
Good question
Solid episode! Would Tongkat Ali & Fadogia Agrestis be a good combo for someone with high Total Testosterone (800's), low Free Testosterone (10), high-ish SHBG (60's) and lower LH (1-2)? Low testosterone symptoms are present and diet, sleep and stress are all good.
You could try Boron first, it can be quite effective for lowering SHGB and it's very cheap.
I’m in a similar case. I’ll try boron
I would like to know why many men with low or normal testosterone don't feel significantly better (or even worse) on Clomid, although the raise of test often can be pretty huge (in most cases much higher compared to these natural substances)?
Because Estrogen(in normal values) is anti inflammatory and boosts serotonin, which helps fight depression and promotes sleep.
Dr. Gillette!!!
So 300 mg is safe instead of 600 mg which is standardized by a lot of companies ?
Dost it still need to be cycled at 300 mg and will it be as effective as 600 mg ??
I believe he said 300 MG at a 3:1 ratio. Most standardized are 10:1 ratio so that would translate to 1000mg of 10:1. It's wise to cycle
@@cnsgains5506 so 1000mg of 10:1 is safe if cycled from time to time ?
@@yashkhatana346 yeah 1000mg is max though. Start with less and See how you feel. Just check the ratio on your bottle and make sure
why do you mention a decrease in testicular size while huberman and online I find an increase of the size?
Correct, the animal data seems to suggest an increase in testicular size.
It increases
So those trained gym bros in their 40s and 50s, I doubt they were all naturals holding lean body mass in a caloric deficit! So how did the researchers separate the effects of the diet from PED use?
Great video. But it failed to convince the users to consume Fadogia. The fact is Fadogia has only 10 studies or so, vs. Tongkat Ali which is backed by 300+ studies and clinical tests. The worst part about Fadogia is that all the studies are done on rats - albino rats to be specific. Definitely not safe in my opinion!
16:36 why would anybody take recommendations from a rat study?
How many ads could you possibly fit into one small 11 minute video?
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. This video came out before we were monetized, once we became monetized it automatically added ads.
It has now been fixed.
Thank you!
Tongkat makes me sick even at 200 mg per day. Cant imagine taking 800
Probably it messes your gut
Did you try different brands?
No. I trried them. They did nothing. I went from 334 to 960 in around 3 months all natural no TRT. This book should be essential reading for all men. Written by a 50s guy with natural T levels of a 20s guy
Complete guide to testosterone by james Francis
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Some what irresponsible promoting seed oil, I'll stick with my butter.
It's very annoying to listen to this guy with his upspeak. he's making statements and he makes sound like he's asking questions. if you're gonna be on a podcast learn to speak like a normal person not some millennial