Tongkat Ali | Effective But "Toxic" (New Research)
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Tongkat Ali has been getting a lot of attention over the past year or so, and for good reason. It appears to be one of the more promising supplements that may actually increase testosterone, even in young healthy men. However, there is some recent research that has surfaced over the past year that is worth diving into.
From malaysia here: Took a course on botany back in Uni and was told by researcher there that the non toxic part of the Tongkat Ali plant is the root, which has the characteristic walking cane shape, thus tongkat (walking stick/cane). However, manufacturers sometimes use the entire plant to save on cost, hence the toxicity.
thank you, I'm going to look for supplements containing only the root
@@cccspwn not sure if the manufacturers will list it so precisely though.
@Sk Sohan Go into the Jungles of Malaysia and hunt for them đ€Ł
all these are garbage/useless and toxic.
@Sk Sohan I'm not sure. some companies deal directly with the Aborigines.
I started taking tongkat Ali and ashwaganda and instantly felt less depressed and sluggish, felt better in the gym, and my body felt bigger and stronger and my workouts felt like they were actually building my body vs just staving off catabolism. The BEST thing I noticed was my energy levels were STABLE! I didnât necessarily GAIN more energy, but I STOPPED CRASHING, I always feel good and normal. Which if your someone who has gone so long with seemingly low T levels, this is a HUGE benefit
Do you mind sharing what company made your ali supplement from? Inhale a lot of trust issues with some of google and Amazonâs recommendations
@@victortrejo1133 sure! I use Dorado nutrition for Tongkat Ali and NaturaLife Labs for the Ashwagandha
@@victortrejo1133 nootropic depot đđ»
@@victortrejo1133 "Sigma" from gorilla mind. Excellent product!!
what is your dosage and routine?
Excellent video! Great research and breakdown of the science. I have only made anecdotal reviews but this stuff really effects my performance in many areas and I feel effects that can't possibly be placebo! The title had me thinking I was killing more than my gains! Lol. I hope ppl don't take the title as the information, as they often do unfortunately!
Thanks for this. Everything in moderation is what I get from this. I may start cycling Tongkat Ali, I've pretty much reached a peak after having some initial improvement on taking it.
I started taking it 3 weeks ago and my life has literally changed it's insane. I was always sleepy during day and now that issue is gone completely. My muscles look also somewhat bigger. I didn't do blood work but I am 100% sure my testosterone has gone up.
No check? Bro youâre going to regret that
â@Japhu why do you say that?
thanks again for your work to deep dive into this material
Great vid. Subbed just for your ability to present the facts without an agenda đ
Been using it for years in Indonesia, always had great effects and zero negative effects at all.
Eh ada bang bule bolang
Hi Ryan! Any particular brand you consume or just the raw stems? Thanks!
@@mustafarasool1261 hi mate, none particular mate, I just order the one online from a Chinese herbal store in Jakarta mate. Can definitely notice the difference, really worthwhile.
@@BuleBolang cheers mate đ€đœ
Very comprehensive review of the literature on Eurycoma / Tongkat Ali. I used to do product R&D for a company about 20 years ago, and one of the products I did included both LJ100 Tongkat Ali and a high protodioscin content (>40%) Bulgarian tribulus extract. Protodioscin is useful for increasing luteinizing hormone and, thus, testosterone, but Tongkat Ali was particularly useful for keeping that increased testosterone free / unbound. They seemed to work synergistically.
What's the dosage you taken?
@@krayziejerry 500 mg of tribulus standardized to 40% protodioscin and 50 mg of LJ100, twice daily with food, 5 days on / 2 days off for a month. Cycle off for 2 weeks, repeat.
That sounds familiar I might have taken that one, what was it called? Btw I think tribulus might actually increase progesterone more than testosterone
@@ndlsumr commenting to save for later
What kind of scientist does rd on vitamins and supplements
i had no idea cycling it was beneficial iâll definitely incorporate that info. thanks!
Very well done, it seems like moderation is key, and cycling on/off works best.
Tongkat Ali work effectively to boost testosterone and DHEA if it's taken with regular exercises (or ideally weight training + cardio). That is why Tongkat Ali remains as a dietary supplement, and should not be seen as a medicinal drugs. The misconception by most Tongkat Ali users is that they expect testosterone gain just by taking supplements, and assume their peak testosterone levels stay there forever! The reality is, our testosterone levels fluctuate throughout the day. And these caveats were not covered in any videos. Don't expect taking Tongkat Ali like putting fuel additives in your car, and expect the car to perform at its peak torque or BHP every time. Most studies on testosterone studies and clinical trials on Tongkat Ali in the last 20 years have sufficient evidence to show it may boost testosterone across men in various age-groups. There are more benefits than just testosterone, but the overall effect of Tongkat Ali is compounded by other hormones as well. The key is to manage the expectations of the end result of taking Tongkat Ali on overall men's health - measured by strength, energy, sexual desire, fertility, mental state and overall well-being.
Very informative, thanks. I have been taking the following: I'm 67, workout with kettlebells 5 days/week (40m each workout) and walk 30m x 3 times/week, try to keep a healthy diet on a 16/8 protocol (@60% plant based) and no alcohol except for an occasional glass of wine or a beer and 7 hours of sleep daily. My present cycle is: Tongkat Ali (Horbaach)1800mg/week + DHEA (various) 100mg/week + Tribulus (various) 1600mg/week. I started Tongkat @2015-16 but didn't have a rigorous workout plan and wasn't as healthy as I feel now. Therefore, I have become my own guinea pig. Results since 2019: increased lean mass and fat loss, higher levels of stamina, pleasant mood, better sleep, and active libido. In other words, I feel like when I was 40 something but leaner and stronger. My cycle goes on a 5/2 basis AND take a full month off everything every semester. I must add that I work as a data analyst online and my mind is alert all the time......
Wow, you are awesome. can you plz simplify the cycle 5/2? what does it mean? So, no side effects from long term use of Tongkat Ali? sorry, I am a newbee. Also, how do you take 1800mg/week ? what is thhe daily dose?
@@78swats 5/2 is monday to friday for workout and supplements and weekends without. Tongkat is 1600mg/week in only two caps (Horbaach, but you can get Solaris which is 400mg per cap) Usually monday and wednesday I take Tongkat and tuesday and thursday DHEA and Tribulusbut I'm running out nd can't get high quality from Bulgaria) No negative side effects whatsoever. Be aware that this works for me and you might have to experiment with your dosage, workout protocol, rest times and diet..., good luck
@@jorgec55 Thank you for your response. I am 56 now, and just started researching, not sure which way I want to go because there so many things available. There is viagra etc, then Tongkat Ali, then some people say use Boron and Zinc. I didn't know about DHEA and Tribulus before, but just came to know now hihi after reading your post.
What are the high quality brands available for DHEA and Tribulus?
I am not much of a body builder but started working out more and started getting healthier. It's inspiring to read stories like yours. It gives me hope that I still have lot of life left. Thank you once again.
@@78swats if I was you, I would start with only Tongkat and DHEA and begin a fitness routine. Maybe a protein shake after workouts too.... Brands? Horbaach, Solaris, NOW etc
Thank you for posting this video. You have a new subscriber. Keep up the great work..
Great channel, just discovered it!
Most underrated CZcams channel right here
Takeaway: should cycle T. Ali but no prescribed protocol as of yet.
4 weeks on, 2 weeks off seems like a good idea, buffering the off period with Ashwghanda, Fadogia Aggrestis, Zinc, etc.
No pct is required, right?
Fantastic video. Could you do a video about Fadogia and its potential toxicity as some discussions have been circulating about that.
As others have said, TKA is just fantastic for avoiding those energy crashes and it genuinelly was a game changer for me to consistently go to the gym on a regular basis, placebo or not it is working.
I been taking tongkat/fadogia for a month and been feeling Tony the Tiger great. But after another month I'll switch to ashwagandha & shilajit for 2-4 weeks. Thanks for the tip!
Nice Iâm going to switch off to the too thank you
No ums, no ahhhs, just pure information, absolutely marvelous
Wym, he said ummms a bunch of times.
That was very interesting and well presented. Thank you.
Wow, great relaying of information. Subscribed.
This was really interesting for me! I've tried Tonkat Ali a few times. I never experienced increase in strength or libido (though have had that happen with other herbs), but weirdly, it made me more extroverted! It also gave me insomnia.
try a lower dose ... 200mg 4 days /week. If no insomnia, up to 400
I've tried it a few times now and it just doesn't agree with me at all. Made me feel like I was gonna have a heart attack and gave me high blood pressure. Apparently this does happen to a small amount of people, unfortunately for me. My mate has the exact same one and he's fine on it though. I just take ashwaganda and tribulous now.
I would be interested in watching a video where you put together a list of what products you would take and in what cycles. For example, four weeks of Tongkat ali followed by four weeks of ashwaghanda etc.
Search for : "How To Cycle Herbal Supplements To Increase Testosterone" from
Nutrition Library it self.
Now that i look at it , this channel is not so bad as i have presumed
well done
Amazing video, thanks for the info.
Ashwaganda fucked me up badly dude... Caused hyper sympathetic activation and my mind raced like crazy. I thought I was having a mental break of some kind and was worried I might end up in hospital. This was after one dose. I tries it again a couple weeks later and the same thing happened. Plus there is evidence it causes liver failures. So yeah be careful out there.
I am 31 years old. It certainly increases and likely works through DHEA. I have done multiple bloods after taking. For me, LH doesn't move much, DHEAs surpass the range and total T increases between 20-30%, free testosterone hardly increases. Glad that there is finally good research on this to confirm what I thought. I am also not surprised that your body 'adapts' to Tongkat, it does this with most things as it attempts to maintain homeostasis. I have found that small cycling 5 days on a 2 days off has prevented tongkat from losing its impact and I have been taking it like this for a year now. We need good human research now on Fadogia Agrestis now, the combination of both these plants is very promising for increasing testosterone.
is it really works?
@@mohamadhariz9613 did for me and does for many others. Read the studies and look at others reviews. Take your bloods before and after and you will see if it works for you.
Hi James, since you suspect it works through DHEA, have you checked your estrogen ?
Edit, I have found this about tongkat ali :
Being an endocrine adaptogen, tongkat interacts with a variety of hormones and hormone precursors, such as:
Testosterone (increases)
Estrogen (decreases)
IGF-1 (increases)
Cortisol (decreases)
DHEA (increases)
Pregnenolone (increases)
That means if you take too much of it it could increase your estrogen, and that would explain why some people report cases of gynecomastia
Have you had any subjective/noticeable effects? You mention that your free T doesn't move at all, and free T is, as far as I know, the form of T that is the most responsible for the physical and mental effects of T.
One of the hypotheses as to how tongkat ali works to increase T and produce subjective effects is that it acts to reduce SHBG and thereby indirectly increasing *free* T, but seems like this is not the case as per your bloodwork?
This 5 days on 2 days off cycle seems to be the best for most supplements
Thank you for this video. Quality work đ
Great breakdown. Appreciate it đđœ
Hey man I would greatly appreciate if you could make a video on your top vitamins/minerals everyone should be taking for overall health and fitness. I havenât been able to find a lot of good science based ones.
Check out More Plates More Dates video on what he uses daily.
@@skylarcarlson7745 I've also really liked the recommendations on supplements from Dr. Alex Huberman, the popular neuroscientist from Stanford.
@@trevorhunka8985 I've been binge watching Huberman videos for about a month. It has made a major impact on my life.
Andrew hubermans top 2 is tongak ali and potassium glutamine
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Hey Zach,
Love the informative videos that you are providing for everyone on all the different types of supplements out there.
Although, I was wondering if you could do some videos on different supplements that would be recommended for women. Looking forward to these type of videos for all females out there and also to recommend the females in my family.
Ashwagandha and shatavar together for females
Also fathima a herb from malaysia used locally for women's
dis nigga gotta be a doctor he smart as shit
Thanks
No women suck
I have tried a couple of different types of Tongkat Ali both at all sorts of doses but have found it gives me a Negative effect on libido and my man hood in general etc.. Fadogia I found taking it every other day helps improve all of that and even my energy levels.. and certainly helps with the amount of semon production etc too!.. and I have been doing this for a couple of weeks now and it seems like the same effects still! I do seem to get a tolerance very quick for most supplements! So fingers crossed I have worked out something now with Fadogia that will stay the same! đ€
thank you for the info i subbed
My experience with Tongkat was I felt awesome and seen an increase in stamina, drive and muscle growth. But after a few months, my hair started thinning and falling out, which has never happened and hair loss does not run in my family. So a really bad side effect of this otherwise awesome herb. I am not taking it anymore.
I too noticed this.
how long did the hair loss last?
@@SuperBrosHQ my hair has returned to normal now but it took about 3 months after I stopped taking tongkat.
Thatâs why Gorilla Mind recommended 3 weeks on, one week off to avoid any negative side effects.
Great video bro, keep doing good work
Informative. Thank you man
Hi Zach, thanks a lot for all these inputs! I've already tried the 2% powder from ND (I bought 2x30grams jars) 200mg per day , nothing, then tried 400mg per day... for several weeks... not much obvious results (but not blood test, that's true) I've hence started 10 days ago another trial with the 10% version , still from ND. Nothing magical so far. I read that maximum results occur after 2 weeks, so I'll be patient... anyway... I would appreciate your views on cistanche ? it seems that it can be stacked with Tongkat quite nicely ? Thanks again ! đ
Also bought 2 jars @ 2% from ND. First day however, so am interested to read further replies and comments on why you may not be experiencing any desired effects.
take the lj100 version. its standarized and potent. take 300mg to 400mg
@@1111111111202 LJ100?? can you be any more vague. Nootropics depot has 2 strengths. 2% and 10%
Update
At 63, very few supplements help my energy levels. B-Complex helps but so does Longjack (Tonkat). I just don't take it everyday, I take it when I need it. Subscribed.
love bro hope everyone has a good day
For me tongkat ali + creatine together have been game changer. However, I wasn't doing cycling but now I am going to. Thanks bro for this great info.
Have you been having more gamer moments?
Tongkat Ali increases the likeliness of pro gamer moves by 34.66%. If you cycle it, youâre lookin at getting a few e-girls on your friends list.
Haha sorry guys I wanted to write game changer lol. I am not a native English speaker though
@Selmon bhoi's Driver it helps with short duration high intensity workout proformance for some people.
i have been taking high dose tongat ali non stop for 3 years and no negative side effects xD
Iâve been taking tongkat Ali for 6 days now. Even by day 3 I felt a huge difference. My energy has never been higher, my diet and sleep have stayed the same. Lifestyle hasnât changed but I have energy all day, more drive I feel on top of the world to be frank. Iâm 17, Iâm taking tongkat Ali on top of ashwaganda, cod liver oil, butter oil, creative, d3 and started smth else as of yesterday. The other things Iâve been taking for quite some time but nothing has had the amount of change tongkat Ali has on my energy
hahaha...after 3 days....placebo effect for sure
@@svenhall2078 not necessarily. But he's mighty young to be potentially manipulating his hormones using exogenous compounds. Be healthy young man, your body is a marvel and will optimize the rest.
I'm 41. Just a note of concern- at 17 you shouldn't need ANY of that stuff. Your hormones haven't even peaked yet. You are still in puberty, let your natural levels do their thing. I wouldn't be adding that level of herbs until you are on the reverse (after 35 usually).
Bro if you're 17 don't be taking that shit ffs you don't need it. You're going to fuck your hormones up
Taking supplements like this at 17 makes no sense. Train hard naturally for at least 5 years and then think about it. The only exception would be if your blood work shows you have abnormally low testosterone.
thank you for this great video, I have been following your videos on testosterone optimizing videos religiously. I have a quick question, a bit out of topic though. Can alpha gpc be taken everyday? I have heard a 25 to 75mg dose per day for maintenance is not a bad idea; or you are of the view that it should be cycled?
Thank you for the update đđŒ
Thank you for the review đ
instead of doing 4-8 week cycles you can do 5-2 day cycles, 5 days on and 2 days off and that will help to do so your body dont get used to the product :)
Youâre just pulling advice out of your ass lol
Appreciate the info
Good video đđ» Thanks for sharing đđ»
I've been supplementing with 600mg Fadogia Agrestis & 400mgTongkat Ali, for the past two weeks. I must say that I'm not as tired (during the day), as I was prior, and have no adverse side effects. I have low testosterone (tested), and will be anxious to get re-tested in another couple of weeks. I'm 72, weigh 150lbs, for reference.
Results?
Results?
Results
Haven't been re-tested. I'm dealing with a few other health issues right now.
@@hackfabrication139Hope youâre okay!
Dude, iâm pretty sure itâs all the chemicals and plastics weâve been exposed to all these years
Along with the water we drink, lack of sun light we get and last but not least, how fucking lazy weâve become.
Watch the end of the video
I theorize porn addiction and our easy access to it. It's a fairly new phenomena and I think it's responsible for messing men up psychologically and hormonal functions. It'd be interesting to compare it's timeline with the influx of plastics.
Yup.
So as a biologist I'm pretty sure it has more to do with our sedentary lifestyle.
We are more relaxed, more chill, have no competition. This lowered it in general. Combined with higher bodyfat and less sun and it's easy to see a drop.
Higher fertility might indeed be due to plastics interupting the endocrine system at a young age. But that's not a 1.1 with test levels.
Example: my testosterone is 450ng/dl at 26 years old. I have alot of chesthair, beardhair, deep voice and better muscle growth than 99% of the people I know.
My fertility is also very high (I actually tested it with a test and watched it myself under a microscope to confirm).
It's not only about test levels. It also has to do with how your hormonal system reacts to it. Some people need very little test to perform, other need alot. My sensitivity to it seems very high.
And now comes my points.
Plastics don't lower your test, they lower your endocrine sensitivity by blocking pathways etc., sometimes forever. This is also why people get infertile.
Great work đđŸ
amazing vid! thank you
After 14days, go 5 days on 2 days off. This helps alot with the things you mention, like test going back to baseline after 8 weeks etc! Just because its all natural doesent mean you should take it nonstop forever without looking back.
The body does not «adjust» as well when you cycle, this comes down to literally ANYTHING, coffee, ADHD meds, nootropics you name it.
Hey, can u please explain me better the cycle, I don't get the 5 days on 2 days off
@@santiagogonzalezh1433 Well, you take the pills for 5 days straight and 2 days not. Quiet simple
@@AnimeVideoEditor thanks king, nice pic btw
@@santiagogonzalezh1433 i take tonkat from monday-friday and i have a break in the weekend. So 5 days on the stuff and 2 days pause. Then repeat next week.
@@AsBelowSoAbove how many mg?
Very interesting, thanks for the info. I also saw on another video that TA frees up more of your testosterone and keeps it from binding, I'm not sure what the exactly mechanism is that causes that but I just thought that I'd point that out. Personally for me I just started taking it a few days ago because I can't do trt because I have a blood clotting disorder trt raises your hematocrit so I'm hoping that TA will help me raise my T levels even if it's a few hundred points but I will still follow up with blood labs after 2 months on TA.
How are you feeling right now? Any effect?
@@topiaskilpelainen1213 I've been on it for almost 2 months and I feel great, my workouts are good, libido is up, energy and motivation are up too. I'm honestly getting the same results that I was getting from testosterone replacement therapy which I discontinued due to some health concerns, I recommend it, I'm taking 5 on and 2 days off and I'm using the TA from solaray and nootropics depo, I highly recommended TA.
Let us know if your bloods change
After 4 months. Any new results?
@@ask8548 well I did TA for 2 months and after the 2 months the results seemed to diminish a bit so I stopped for a week and am taking a maca root complex (red, white and black) and I'm getting similar results, so I guess I'm cycling off TA which is suggested and after 2 months on maca I'm stopping for 2 weeks and going back on TA for another 2 months and after that I'm looking into supplementing with boron triple complex which has been proven to raise testosterone so I'm trying different things and have lost 28 lbs, great work outs, good libido and overall feeling great for being 54. I suggest trying different things to see what works for you. Unfortunately I have not done labs since my insurance is out..
Hi! Would you consider to make a video about Tongkat, Cistanche, and Apigenin in regards to dosage, verisions/ brands and things to consider and to be aware of. Big thanks in advanceâŒïž Sincerely
Great Video, thank you very much.
Can you please explain the difference in dosing and effectiveness with using the 2% and 10% eurycomanone?
Iâve been taking Tongkat and Fadogia for around a month now and itâs helped a lot. Iâm 30 but itâs definitely given me more energy during my training. Hopefully all stays well haha
Fagodia is toxic
Still going good?
how do you sleep ???
@@homerdadon6363 with eyes closed
@@braulindisla-elburrodelaba5361 Everything is toxic.
Thank you for your excellent info video
great information, thanks.
My main issue with Tongkat Ali has been for prolonged periods I seem to have started to feel negative impacts and benefit from time off it. I also read it works by suppressing estrogen which is partly how you get higher free T elevation. I donât know if this is true, but some people who have taken it say the estrogen suppression can lead to aching joints amongst other things. I am therefore going to be fairly respectful of it and only cycle onto it for a couple of weeks at a time and couple back off again too.
why not take less and use for longer times, doub`t it will crush your estrogen:) bloodwork..
I do five days on two off, Iâm supplement free at weekends save for my multivitamin. Iâm 61 and have had no issues.
@@williamhodgson6250 Good to know, thanks for the update.
@@marthepedersen1454 I recommend reading up on how TA leads to higher T. It relates to estrogen in the human body, and suppressing it, just as estrogenic compounds in foods for example do the opposite and suppress free T.
Itâs not worth it. I am finally starting to recover from the severe joint damage and pain I experienced over the last few months using tongkat. Never using it again.
Considering testosterone itself is considered "toxic" and masculinity in general considered "toxic" I won't be taking this study seriously.
Respectfully this should win an award for dumbest comment
If you watch it itâs actually very informative and he essentially debunked the only study on toxicity
HAHHAHAHAHA
Well... If you care more about what "the message" has to say, instead of what science has, just don't take anything and make yourself a transgender đ
Destroy your liver to own the libs
Please notice that toxicity concerns come from the extraction method used by companiesâŠ.What I mean that the toxicity and DNA damage is related to the ethanol extraction not water distilled extraction
Thanks for the info
Fastest click of my life. Good to know that the toxic dose seems unreasonably high. I really ought to cycle my Tongkat but I start to feel weak and lazy every time I take a break. Thanks for the summary!
In my PH. We werenât allowed to use meta analysis. Because some studies can contradict each other. Also you can just pick and choose research/ study which make any meta analysis bias.
This is what Iïž am concerned about with using Tongkat. If it makes me feel a detriment when Iïž cycle that just sounds like a roller coaster.
That is also what I have noticed, you can not really take it for more then 2-3 days, without experiencing some kind of withdraw. I once took it for 2 weeks straight, the following week I was feeling like I was on a 2 day rave or something, really hard core negative effects. I guess that Tongkat also boosts dopamine production, and in its combination with test increase, you can get some negative effects quick, when you stop. It would probably be a really bad idea to take it like a normal cycle (2-3 months).
@@radatabass I also noticed that, even if you take it for just 2-3 days in a row, you notice some negative effects the following day. I can imagine the negative effects if you actually take it as a cycle (2-3 months). Probably would need full blown PCT.
@@zigazdovc6175 dang good to know. Iïž canât stand withdrawals so itâs definitely not for me. Iïž am wondering how much dosage plays a role. Do you recall how many MG daily you were taking when you experienced these effects?
Absolutely effective. Canât speak on toxicity. Much bigger during workouts. On the fertility side. Yep was bigger and thicker. Just giving my experience not trying to drive up prices.
Awesome
How long before it kicked in on the downstairs aspect?
Great information đđŒ
that was super informative. Thanks. I take tongkat ali in my coffee in the morning. I will cycle 4 weeks on, 2 off. usually 5 days on, 2 days off.
One insight for all, for all who does strength or even cardio training* (*everything less then 60 min, 100-15000m). start with leg exercises like squat, death lifts etc. It will trigger your natural testosterone level. Sow now you've for around 45min a incline curve of testo's available. No sex/mastrubation will enhance your testo level for 400%. and the last thing i only use is motivation, your dark/shadowside pain/suffering aggresion. Always focus on your healthy intake of food, focus on raw veggies, read green ones because oxygen is allowing THE POWER in your blood.
Iâve used Fadogia and Tongkat for a year and Iâve had zero side affects. I finally took a break from them recently and still felt fine. I have my Fadogia and Tongkat on the way right now. Iâm excited to get back on it.
What were your results like?
@@jamesmillward I experienced a testosterone increase which helped my body and mind overall. Itâs not a magic supplement, so it takes time along with a good lifestyle to get the optimal results.
Where do you get your fadogia from?
@@SatoshiFibonacci thank you
Iâm in great shape! Love a boost and donât wanna start the whole TRT thing. Iâm gonna order it!
@@jamesmillward Youâre welcome đđœ
I tried a bottle and thought it worked very well. I'll be taking it again. DIM is also a great supplement.
Great video!
im 32yrs old and have had depression for my whole life. I am taking tongkat along with a bunch of other natural things. Im trying to go the plant and herb route rather than the ''chemical'' route(i just hate the way they make me feel). Tongkat doesnt help with depression but i can personally say i feel a very noticeable difference in my energy when i take it...
try a good probiotic (VSL#3) combine with low carb diet, cold exposure and fish oil
Try Ashwaganda my friend. Helped me lots
what i have learned mark
is depression will never go away
it can always be minimalized but
if your struggling financially or have
bad personal problems
the depression will always be their
i go to the gym i eat better then i did
for the first two months i felt great
but because im 32 and still live with my parents
the âloser feelingâ has kicked in
and its similar to depressionâŠ. you gotta fix other aspects of your life for depression to be at a bare minimal
Try cold showers everyday along with wim hof breathing. It will increase dopamine & noradrenaline production, those are the motivation chemicals that your body is starved of when depressed & anhedonic.
Dude get a job and become a man
Hello Zach! Congrats for the amazing content! One question: You mentioned cicling Tongkat ali with other herbs, such Fadogia agrestis. However, in another video you said it's toxic. Have I lost another video? It has changed or it is not safe to take for long periods? What's the catch?
Everything is toxic. Just take the drugs and stop worrying about it.
He says that you probably shouldnât take fadogia longer than a month to avoid the toxicity. Itâs impossible to say if it is actually toxic because there are no human studies. Heâs just saying that 30 days is probably a good estimate of a safe amount of time but itâs not a guarantee.
@@shaheena.3803 its weakly toxic. Drinking alcohol is worse.
Thoughts on Tongkat extract vs whole root powder?
That sounds incredible!
I consume 3grams at a time, and seem to be getting some good results. I also take it with stinging nettle root capsules, as they are an aromatase inhibitor.
3grams gawd damn
@@dariuswilliams7509 never tempt the Lord.
I pick things up and put them down
Happy Friday the 13th Jason Voorhees!
1980s? Camp Crystal Lake? Horny teenagers "making love"?
Nevernind. Hope you been "killing it" Jason!
I stopped taking tongkat ali because it gave me chubbies at the worst times. It definitely works in that regard. Had to do a sneaky belt tuck at the DMV
Dang you can tuck it?
LOL
New to the channel, thanks very much for all the knowledge. Is there a reason you don't have an affiliate link or click through vendor mechanism for your recommendations?
I take 1 Sigma pill after 4-6pm, 3-4 days a week. Best damn dreams, a small kick in libido, and puts me in chill mode. Reason for taking later in the day, cuz it will make me a bit lazy and i like my mornings to be productive.
I do not recommend taking two pills a day, 3-4 days a week; which lead me to gaining 5 lbs. lost all 5 lbs taking less Sigma.
Some people take 4đ
I know Google exists, but what the hell are Sigma pills? đ€Ł
@@ShinTurrican "Testosterone supplements"
I was taking some but had some wierd brain fog, so I just take Shilajit now. Definitely feel clear headed and a strength boost with it
I also get weird brainfog from Tongkat Ali. Cant take it. Same with Ashwagandha
@@ccraig4399 did you cycle it?
@@commandpromptexe471 i barley started, day two my mind was completley off. Gave it away
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great vid bud
I'm taking the AKARALI brand. I'd call it life changing to say the least. I've cycled it for 4 weeks on 1 week off throughout a cut and its mitigated the catabolic effects; I went from 240lbs to 223lbs and i'd say visually I look similar in muscle content but have obviously decreased my body fat percentage by a lot. I'm even able to see veins once again all over. As far as the effects it's made my libido go up especially the first few days of a cycle, energy improved, better recovery and strength gains despite being on a cut. The only side effects have been occasional sensitivity in the nipple, like uncomfortable amounts; this only happens for the first few days and with no visual gyno development i've seen no reason to discontinue it.
Awesome to hear, I just started my first cycle. Planning on taking 400mg a day for three months. I think I will try the 4 week on 1 off. I'm excited to see what happens
any update?
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@nutrition library - see a handful of comments on here about opinions on how to cycle. I remember in a previous video that you said you've been taking this for 5 years or so... what do you recommend for the cycle period?
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I agree it's really hard on the body.
Great video. Can you recommend a quality brand for Tongkat Ali. I heard the quality brands are the ones that are bitter. It is hard to know what brands to trust and you get what they claim.
Hey, I had a blood test the 19th August done where my testerone was at 339 ng/dL. I have now been using Tongkat Ali for around 3 weeks and I will be getting another blood test the 1st of November. I am for reference 20 years old and relatively active. I will be doing a update when I get the blood result (if I don't forget it)
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Iâve tried all of the ânaturalâ test boosters. None of them work.. except Tongkat Ali!!! I experienced effects after just 3 days, boosted libido, semen became much thicker, and I seemed to have a permanent âmild semiâ, so was as if I had gained an inch while flaccid. Friends who I recommended it to also noticed pretty dramatic results. Definitely worth a try* although I did take double the recommended dose by accident, but I am 200 lbs, and pretty jacked, so my tolerance to most things is higher than your average person.
Have you tried fadogia agrestis along with tongat ali? I hear people say they work synergistically well.
@@shmeepurt yes I done a couple stacks of Fadogia combined with Tongkat and honestly didnât notice anything different. Havenât tried it on itâs own though.
How old were you when you started taking?
Amazing video! New to your channel but very sure going to subscribe! :)
Hey man - thank you for another great video! I have a question for you, you mention that tongkat ali needs/should be recycled, is this also the case if you use a minor doze, lets say half the recommended daily ?
Best regards
Yes, cycle it on low dose aswell
Tongkat Aliâs is the single best supplement for our endocrine system. In my 12 months experience with Tongkat Ali, I benefitted most from libido, sperm count and testosterone. Arguably, in order to maintain your testosterone peak levels, you need to take Tongkat Ali with regular exercises, avoid smoking or reduce alcohol consumption. And I agree that for Tongkat Ali to work optimally (and just like any other herbs), you need to cycle 4 weeks ON, and 1 week OFF. There are plenty of clinically tested Tongkat Ali brands with premium extract out there such as AKARALI.
If you also changed your lifestyle at the same time, how do you know which one was more beneficial? Introducing multiple variables makes it inconclusive
How long does it take for the effects to kick in?
@@ivangerginov5648 Sorry to jump into this conversation, but a person's health status is not a function of the individual sum of parts. Focusing on which variables cause the most impact on health is a flawed approach in science or biology.
In reality, the study of cause-and-effect is non-linear and most scientific methodologies failed to prove the efficacy of ANY drugs when subjected to other variables. For instance, even the best-proven Viagra has 40% efficacy. Or in another example, COVID19 vaccine has 70% efficacy.
That is why herbal supplements or any dietary supplements must be taken together with other lifestyle changes in order to maximize their effect. And this applies to Tongkat Ali, Fadogia or even Ashwagandha.
But as far as I know, Tongkat Ali has proven efficacy when tested on young adults, mid-aged men and older men above 50. And that involves 1,000 tests on humans since 1990s. And it that is not enough sample, it is used in Asia for more than 4,000 years. No wonder Asians live longer up to 102 years.
What if someone fat that just walks take it? You think they would lean down
@@ivangerginov5648 Exactly this is all placebo BS same as turkesterone...
Worked exceptionally well for anxiety, confidence, energy and mood overall. Stopped taking Tongkat Ali after one month cause it lowered my testosterone and spiked my estradiol and prolactin. Unfortunately, after stopping, all good effects went away. Same happened to my friend. Doesn't make sense but that's how it went for me and my buddy.
You have bloodwork to show that it lowered your test and raided estrogen?
it lowered your test?!?? That makes no sense and is opposite of any study. Maybe fix your diet and or look at other supps that may suppress your T
@@joeryan82 probably not đ đ just another nobody talking out of their ass đ©
@@joeryan82 The day i started taking TA:
Testosterone 5.55 ng/ml, Prolactin 19.90 ng/ml, Estradiol 69.08 pg/ml.
After one month TA: Testosterone 3.66 ng/ml, Prolactin 28.57 ng/ml, Estradiol 71.23 pg/ml (not much difference with my estradiol but my friend had huge increase)
â@@danilascercovas6226 why were you also measuring Estradiol?
I like the comprehensive research review
Great video. Thank you. What about the mercury content/concern with tongkat?
At 75 years old I start using it and it seems to work, And cycling on and off seems to make it more effective for me anyway
Been trying to dig into these herbs a bit. Sometimes it seems like it would be easier to go on trt. Such a tough decision to make though
It's pretty easy. You want your nuts looking like raisins or not.
definitely try natural route before going on trt.
Trt is injected with vegetable oil as the fluid. Definitely donât want that going into your bloodstream if you can help it.
Do you have any info on if TONG and FADOGIA should or should not be taken with Black Pepper or Piperine?