Part "2" HOW TO TILE 60" tub surround walls - cutting & installing first rows of wall tiles !
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- čas přidán 31. 10. 2013
- In part "2" I am explaining how to cut and install first rows of tub - shower walls - very important to do that correctly ! Enjoy the video - I hope it will help you with your project !!
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Michael - Tile master Atlanta - Jak na to + styl
From 30 years experience, butter the tile AND trowel the wall. Using a notched trowel only on the tiles can (instead of using the notched trowel on the walls), inadvertently, leave air bubbles that do not adhere. Flat trowel the tiles then notch trowel the walls. I appreciate you took the time TileMasterGa to do your videos.
You are probably the best Tile Setter Teacher on the Internet. Congratulations!!!
Really great set of videos. I remodeled my bathroom with tub/shower and found these videos very helpful and the level of detail excellent ! Tile Master .... Thank You !
What is someone talking bad thing about this guy, he is the best of tiles job on CZcams
This guy is awesome!!!! If he would do my bathroom, I would sleep well knowing that the job is perfectly and beautifully done.
Thank you . You are the best i have seen. I like the way you point out all the details.
It makes me laugh how so many people love to give advice. Do this and don’t do that. I’m pretty sure he knows what he is doing. Plus it’s his saw blade and if it wears out he will just buy a new one. People watch and learn and give it a rest. Great job and thank you for taking the time to teach your craft.
These videos have saved me so much $ its insane. Thank you.
I have watched like 9 of your videos. You need your own show! Keep em comin!!! (subscribed)
You really are a teacher. not everyone can teach.
You are A true Craftsman. Total Pride in your work. I have a job for you near Chicago...Stolatz!
Great videos. I have watched your videos up to this point. my shower is finished up to here and now I will see if I can do 1/2 the job i see here!
thank you so much for your videos - they were and are extremely helpful and full of great information. seriously i could not do this project without your help. God Bless you
Great explanations, thank you TileMasterGA!
This was a great series! Really made it clear this is a tedious process for the unskilled. I've been wanting to rip out the plastic fake surrounded with horrible caulked seems, but you make it obvious this probably isn't something I should tackle myself for the first tiling ever. You do great work! If you're ever in Central Mass let me know!
Wrong. That tile won’t stick good at all
Man, you're good! Thanks for the videos!
Thanks for your videos , I knew a little about tile now I know a lot , you should teach at a technical school, you're a great teacher
thank you so much for those videos, it's amazing.
Your videos are very helpful thank you
Great video and good work ;)
Thanks TileMasterGa.
Rounding-off the "cut-edge" by using the side of the saw blade will wear that side of the teeth so that your blade will want to curve the cuts. Use an angle-grinder with a sacrificial wheel instead.
Thank you for all the education.... I'm installing my own tile tub enclosure.
kp
How are your tiles holding up? Did ANY come off in 6 years?
this guy ,,,is the master of masters
Awesome videos. I do flooring and very similar, ensure surface is level. and then fix 1st row only as walls are not always, let dry then later finish rest means working off a straight.
you are the best tiles man
Michael,
I want to commend you and your organization on the thoroughness of your instructional videos. You give many insights on the process; it's like having a master craftsman at my disposal for advice. I would highly recommend your site.
These videos are probably the best instructional videos I have ever seen on the internet. You explain things in a very clear manner and in detail which is very helpful and enjoyable to watch. After watching all the videos for this project, one question I have is if we can use the same backer board/hydro barrier method as well as the method for only applying thinset to the back of the tile with natural stone such as travertine. Not sure if travertine requires me to do anything different or if it is the same exact process? Thanks again.
You very welcome!
For travertine installation entire preparation is exactly same, the only difference will be back-battering back of the tile first with flat edge, and after that applying thinset wit 1/2" notch trowel.
Good luck!
Thank you!
Your video really provide a lot of info.. Thanks
I went to my local shop and found DensShield tile backer. Visually this board was looking different color that you have? Are there any diff DensShield in the market?
best expert.
Thank you for the video! Is it standard practice to tile down to the floor in front of tub? Using sluetur edging or on top?
Installation of the tiles is good. :)
Awesome videos, When you get to the accent tile video, what it you have glass doors, you would put the frame where you have the accents, would you just shorten the accent end point to the edge of the frame?
Nice job. New subscriber here.
Hi. I have learned a lot from your CZcams instructions, however I have a unique problem using cement tiles above my bath. The tiles are 5/8" thick and they hang over the lip, where conventional tiles normally sit. I am not sure how to get around this since the tub is designed for conventional tile thickness. Any thoughts?
Been watching alot of your videos. They are very helpful. I'm trying to get up the nerve to start a tile over tub job in my house. It will be my first ever tile job in a shower. At least if I screw it up, it will be mine and not someone else's. lol.
Good luck buddy !
+TileMasterGa what was that about.
Did you fill in the gap with versabond from the lip where the backer board was installed, or did you just tile down
nice job
Hey What's up TM, I know some of these are old videos but I do have a question. In your earlier videos you use to tile walls with the wedge & bracket system, pulling the tiles together and keeping consistent spacing and leveling of them. I actually used that same system on my kitchen floor and the tiles same out great, the best I ever did, but now or in your newer videos because of your years of experience you don't use spacers anymore and you don't put motor on the walls as well, just back-buttering the tiles which yes keeps it neater and cleaner, but if you don't put thin-set on the walls you can't use that tile wedge system anymore right? So what do you recommend to still get a good consistent spacing & leveling? Just the regular spacers or is there another system you think I could use? other wise I guess I have to keep putting motor on the walls and just take my chances hoping to keep them spaced & level. Thanks for your amazingly helpful videos and advice.
Hi. I installed hardiebacker around the tub called hardiebacker they told me to leave a 1/4 inch gap from the lip of the tub now in you're video it looks like you have you're tile set pretty close to the tub how should I set it for it to look right also if I drop the tile to cover the lip of the tub it will be hanging over the Hardiebacker I think I would have to have it lined up with the Hardie for support. You're input will be highly appreciated thanks
doing a good job
Love your videos! Please use some eye protection for saw-cutting. We want you to be able to keep making these videos
Hi. I installed hardiebacker around the tub called hardiebacker they told me to leave a 1/4 inch gap from the lip of the tub now in you're video it looks like you have you're tile set pretty close to the tub how should I set it for it to look right also if I drop the tile to cover the lip of the tub it will be hanging over the Hardiebacker I think I would have to have it lined up with the Hardie for support
also..how did you originslly level the front valve wall and draw the level line with that pipe in the way but then had to remove the pipe to level the tiles?
I as watching this video and noticed there are a window in the shower. Is it ok to do a walking tile shower with window in it, and if so how is best to waterproof it? I'm thinking since see your window that I can replace a whirlpool tube with walkin shower.
What tile cutter do you prefer? Givee me just one reason to purchase the monolit lol
Hi I installed hardiebacker around the tub called hardiebacker they told me to leave a 1/4 inch gap from the lip of the tub now in you're video it looks like you have you're tile set pretty close to the tub how should I set it for it to look right also if I drop the tile to cover the lip of the tub it will be hanging over the Hardie
Witam, oglądam Pana filmy, bo będę się brała za kładzenie płytek w łazience. Ja mieszkam koło Pittsburgha w PA. Pytanie: mam płytki 10"x30" - czy na tej wet saw da sie je ciąć na długości, czy muszę mieć reczny cutter?
Będę wdzięczna za odpowiedź.
Ilona
The technique you use of only troweling the tile and not the backer board - I have a question about that. Does that also work for larger format tiles e.g., 12x24 or would it be better to trowel the backer board and back butter the tile with the flat edge in that case?
if you only back butter the bottom row how will it be flush with the rest of the tiles when you trowel the walls AND back butter the tiles? do you not back butter tiles 12x12 and smaller?
Love your videos....
can I use thinset on Sheetrock ?? Or can I use adhesive glue on the wonderboard?? Will he thinset stick to the Sheetrock ?? Thanks
The tiles will put that right off the wall
I am looking for tips for installing huge tiles. They only came in 16" by 48". So my questions range from how to cut them lengthwise to how to prop them up around the tub for the first row.
How much thinset do you mix at a time? I ask because you seem to be working slowly for the sake of explaining everything and all I can think about is how that thinset isn't going back sitting there this whole time. I'm new to tiling so any advice would help.
He cut the first row because of the water line. Very good idea
Any chance you work in Rome, Ga? Wish I could hire you :)
So how do you get the measurements for your first piece. I understand centering in wall or making center line but how do you make sure top and bottom as well sides look uniform in size proportions? For some reason no one mentions this yet seems to be pertinent in the layout of tiles. I noticed his first tile was cut on the bottom/1st row but doesn't state how he gets that measurement. Without grout lines this would be easy to figure but because of the grout lines makes it difficult to get precise measurements.
In simpler terms why did he cut the tile on the first row to the size he did instead of using a full tile and how did he get that measurement...is it just round about and or approximate?
What do you use for the little shims on the first row?
what if the tub is unlevel and you can't raise it up? Do you lay the first row level and just not worry about the gap and grout it in and it is what it is?
Im doing my walls now and my tub slopes about 3/4" from end to end and there is no way to go in and raise it up.
If you centred the back wall of the bath the other way,ie middle of centre tile you would get a nearly half tile meeting with another nearly half tile in the corner on your bottom row, if half bonding the next course would be two large cuts meeting in the corner, or if straight joints are the order of the day, looks better two cuts of the same size,meeting in corners.Like what you are doing just an observation from a Brit, been tiling for thirty years, thats why i,m on here looking at tiling on my day of, lol
Hi Brit,
I agree with you. The reason why I did it the way I did it is to avoid unnecessary grout joint and very small cut between window and side wall. It is already busy there because we have bullnose. Just check video and imagine your scenario around window - on sides.
Regards.
Michael
first, thank you for your series of videos. it's so packed full of info, i find myself going back to the sections you elaborate on.
the thing i learned about my first row of tiles is that once it's set for a bit, it can move around but it's tough to remove again. I'm using a 12x12 tile and may have forced it off, but was afraid the laticrete would come off as well. i think i put an uneven amount of mortar on the edges between 2 tiles and the difference is pretty bad. but it's too late now, gotta roll with it.
lakermark2006 j
So it's actually from from the bull nose down from the window. Because how do you get it perfect from there ? If you start at it from the bottom up ?
where the tile meets the tub, when you space it, do you have a specific measurement you go by? like... 1/16" or 1/8
Various sources recommend 1/16 to 1/4.
Hello! Love your videos! I have many questions but one is after you silicone caulked the gap between the tub lip and the backer board, what did you fill the gap with. it looks nice and smooth with no gap now between the backer and the bathtub top...
Good question! Was wondering the same myself. Can you tell me what you discovered all those years ago, P-Dawg?
@@kazzos Sorry for the delay in this answer! No one ever seems to cover the little nit-picky details when it comes to this crap. I ended up overlapping the backer board over the lip of the shower because I didn't feel comfortable leaving a gap where water could infiltrate. That caused there to be a slight bend in the backer board that I had to level out with thinset mortar. Whether this was correct or not I don't know. Has not caused me any problems in several years. No one ever answered me or addressed it for me so just picked a lane and drove. You see so many people on here and THEIR version is the right way to do it. You see these home renovation shows putting up a ceramic tile shower up against drywall with no backer....you see them putting ceramic tile on the wall with mastic instead or thinset mortar......and those were two things I thought were a No-No. But you see people doing it. Our bathroom continues to look nice but.......I don't think I will ever do anything with ceramic tile again!
@@P-Dawg-01 Hey thanks for the generous reply! I ended up collaborating with my less-than-expert contractor buddy AND with some of the cooler heads on CZcams... So far we seem to be getting on pretty well with this project. I appreciate your confirmation of my suspicion that all these fundamentalists online can't be fully right or wrong!
@@kazzos It is no problem at all. I hope my response about overlapping the lip of the shower (or bathtub) surround was able to help a little. Like I said our result was beautiful and seems to be long lasting so far Lol. Good luck to you and I hope you also have a great result!
Gotta trowel the wall and back butter the tile. Recommended coverage is 95%. There is no way you are getting that with just troweling the tile.
You got learn from the master tiles
ok we have a window in the middle of our shower odd size everywhere
where should we start???
TileMasterGa If I don't have a wetsaw, what's the best method to cut porcelain tiles?
Ccbrands1, drain is installed in middle of the bathroom or under the tub or right next to the wall. Floor is done in angle so that water will end up in a drain. Water will end up under the tile so under the tile is waterproof membrain that end up in the drain. In Finland we have different climate and different regulations. Discussion was only meant to compare differences between countries. Waterproofing can be done by epoxi membrain also.Finland we have to build our bathrooms and showerrooms inside of a "plasticbag". On top of waterproofing comes tiles or other coating materialias.
everyone has different ways of working/ whatever the experience has taught them! What I do personally is to learn from other workers what I consider good to apply to my daily work!
Criticize if it is something that in your experience is a serious mistake to avoid that the same thing happens to another one , if you just want to criticize any single thing, it means that you think you know everything!
How much do charge for each bathroom w the bathtub??
Are you tiling over drywall? I heard you call it wall board in the first video, but know you said never tile over greenboard/drywall in another video. I put in greenboard that i guess now is purple but the same type of stuff. I was going to rip it out and use durarock like you suggested in another video, that would be my best bet right? I appreciate your videos they are very helpful and professional.
Hi David.
This is not drywall that I am using - it is special board design to be used in showers : "Denshield" if you use durock you will be fine too. Do not tile on top of green board or drywall, or purple board:)
Thank you for your comment .
Michael
TileMasterGa Ok to use Durock but you still need to make it waterproof as Durock or any cement board is not water proof, only water resistant. You need to use a liquid or fabric membrane such as Noble products.
Great tutorial! Thank you. I;m in PA and have a guy we may hire to do our tile. He said he uses a score and snap procedure to cut tiles instead of a saw (says it gives a better cut). What do you think?
Depends on a type of the saw he wants to use. A good wet saw is always better that a score and snap
thank you
Michael, Good stuff! You are right to back butter the tile and not the wall. I have done it the other way and if you can quickly set the tile it is OK. If you run into a problem you are in a world of hurt. I now only back butter the tile and not the walls. Good video's very helpful.
Nail a straight edge on your level line and start fool tiles from there ,fill cut tiles last , use only tile glue to (tape ) join the board if you like to .
I prefer to float my walls with cement to get plum then spread thinset on the walls or better bondage
ENJOY WATCHING THIS VIDEO , THANKS
Is it ok to allow the first row to sit directly on the tub? I see you shim. Is that for the purpose to level the tiles.
He mentions not to let them sit on the tub. you need space for caulk.
how can you be certain the first row is level, even if you fit the level on top of that you would not know all sides of the tile is touching the level, and could end up one tile lower and tile higher and would spend a lot of time adjusting, compared to a ledger, start from second row, you can rest the tile directly on top of the wood ledger and know all sides of the bottom tile is touching the wood, just sayin, do you recommend using wood or your method of starting at the first bottom row? thank you
Exactly i just asked something similar. it seems his bathtub is a tad concave. I'm about to tile mine for the first time and I have the same issue.... though I think once you know for example the height of your tile (in my case halftile)I would measure one corner with tile height and the other corner with the same height (with 1/16 shims under the tile) and trace a leveled lined from the highest corner and then set your first tile in this case in the middle touching your horizontal line. This way you can start with the first line of tiles all touching the line. With this, though you will might have a slightly thicker caulk line in the middle tile (your first tile )and those tiles closer to the corners will get closer to the regular 1/16 thickness. So... I guess to avoid this , that is why he cut the corner tiles in and angle or a bit smaller so he can keep the same caulk thickness at bottom. As you can hear in the video. He is very detailed oriented. Plan plan plan your starting point.
очень хорошая работа
We are working with a tub that is not 100% level and we need to trim a little off the first row. How do you recommend doing this for a home owner who does not want to pay too much for a saw.
My recommendation would be to rent one from Sunbelt rentals at your local Lowe's store. Or if you really want to go inexpensive (however I don't recommend) score the piece with a tile scorer and use tile knippers. Like I said it isn't recommended.
You can't score and crack? The tiles I am using are 5/8 thick.. so do I have to use a tile saw?
+William “waycool1969” Dial I would newer tile any shower without wet saw! Tile cutters are good for builders grade installation, and acceptable on cuts that will get covered with baseboards or shoe-mold.
Michael
Thanks no tile cutter again for my 5/8 tiles
Wet saw all the time
Usually all cutted edge gets coverd by silicone so score and crack is faster method to cut tiles and more used. Maybe tiles on curb that you muricans like to use is only place where wet saw is better because that cutted edge is visible.
do you recommend to hydrobarrier the hole shower like red guard?
He used Denshield Tile Backer board which has built in moisture barrier so you don't need any other moisture barrier like red guard except for seems and corners.
It's not a bad idea to one coat the entire system. The barrier isn't considered waterproof by industry standards.
How do you start tiling when the back edge of the bathtub is a bit concave in the middle? Do still start on the first line of tiles... I think in the video your a cutting the first line of tiles a Little bit in an angle right? And I guess the first one you put doesn't have any cut other than is a half tile? Right?
By the way great videos. The best so far
he should apply the thinset on the walls and back butter the tiles rather than applying thinset to the tiles only!
I do not agree with you! The way I am doing is simply different technique ! it allows me to take my time and work longer on precise leveling and cuts !! With thin-set already on wall you have very little time before it starts to harden. There are also different thin-set manufactures and some of them dries fairly quick...,,
This is what I think - QUALITY NOT QUANTITY !!
I think you learned that from the television. This is how you tile a wall. How dare you make a comment like that?
Well, there is another technique tile setters use...is "burning" the wall by applying a very thin even layer on the wall before back buttering the tiles....TileMasterGa is absolutely right with his technique..."burning" the wall is not necessary...it is a very old technique..almost redundant....
your technique largely relies grout and tile for the waterproofing vapor barrier. With a little bit of luck there should be no noticeable problems from the outside for years.. But, water vapor will its way through the gout waterproofed only to condensate in the walls. I've done countless demos of bathrooms that seemed fine from the outside, but were biology science projects inside the walls. Your thinnest technique leaves voids between the tiles only exacerbates this issue.
it doesnt affect quality and you don't have to scratch the whole wall, you can do two tiles at a time but when you scratch the wall and then butter the tile. you have a better chance of getting 100% contact with the tile with no voids of thin set anywhere. you're a great tile setter for sure and this technique will work for you because you pay so much attention to the details but not a good way technique to teach unskilled tilers. cheers
You have to key in the thinset on the wall when you trowel thinset to the back of the tile. No exceptions, especially when you are using Versabond thinset.
No
That thin set is garbage IMO
Is that wall a cement board or a plywood? Pls reply tnx.
Densshield
Did he not paint the wall with sealant??
Curious. Grout by nature is prone to failing once it dries out ergo allowing water seepage ergo WATER DAMAGE. So, one wonders why tile enclosures are currently so popular.
You mean to tell me you do all your jobs this way, without back buttering?
Have you always had success using this method?
Please give me a reason why u cut the first row of tile , why not use a straight edge , and install the cut tile after.
Great videos! Question: It appears that you do not leave a space between the bottom tiles and the tub. Don't you need room for sealant or grout? Thanks, bob
Bob Falk You were not watching, or missed that part. He said to not let tiles sit on tub and he is placing these blue spacers under the tiles of his first row to keep them off the tub rim so there is a place to seal underneath. Trust me it 's in this video and probably mentioned in the previous video too. I don' t remember exactly. This video guy is good cause I ' m soundin like a dam expert.
+Bob Falk He says it at 10:50
Why not use mastic? You said not to, but didn't explain. I used mastic on my tub tile job 6 years ago. I'm retiling the floors now (previous owner/contractor tiled directly on plywood subfloor with no uncoupling or membrane). Had to remove some edge tiles near the floor. Tiles were incredibly stuck to the drywall. So I'm curious as to the reasoning.
+Theball Player Mastic is water soluble, so if it gets exposed to moisture is begins to lose bond.
Mastic is organic based adhesive. It never fully dries and promotes mold growth.
Why did you cut the first row of tiles?
Most likely to finish with a full tile.
Unbelievable! In Finland his would be so illegal that you would be out of job for life. :)
You need to seriously look at ear protection. Tinnitus can make your life miserable, believe me, and if you don't protect your ears it will come back to bite you when you get older.
janzbot71 I hope he does use ear protection.
The wall behind the tub is open. Waterproofing should be applied to hole wall area and it has to be single layer with the floor. In this installation, if the silicon has a hole, water will end up inside the wall. First do the walls, then waterproof coating to the hole area then install the bathtub. Then if silicon leaks water will end up in drain of the room. There are different regulations in different countries. I was just saying that this is illegal installation in Finland.
You must have stricter codes in Finland. Here in the USA most builders do not do as good of a job as TilerMasterGa does. It is not required in our building codes. Here each state and city has there own building codes they are not set by the federal government.
Hey you idiot the tub has a flange that goes all the way around it. Wtf are you talking about silicone this and that. ITS A TUB!. You waterproof your floors under the tubs over there? Your a joke. These type of installations are already proven for 50+ years. If this is an illegal installation, you might as well condemn 99% or tile tub surround world wide. You are truly a moron Nash guy. Its pencil neck know it all dickheads like you who likely don't even know how to turn a screwdriver telling the experts how to do it that are the problem. Not artisans like this man who obviously goes above and beyond to give his customers a quality product. Don't you dare comment on here again. Oh yeah good luck with your 100k bathrooms over there in fantasy land.
a25751....we're talking 2 different countries here. Most residential bathrooms around my area (Illinois) don't even have a floor drain...anywhere. Where would your floor drain be installed? Underneath the tub out of site? If water gets behind/under the tub, would you expect it to reach a floor drain placed in the middle of the room? How would the water get there?
+ccbrands1 - I second that. I have not seen a single open drain in US. Very popular form of draining bath tubs in Europe.
In preparing....an Ounce of Prevention...is worth a Pound of Cure!
he keeps saying farter, lolol
I don't know about you. You don't put thin set on the wall but ONLY butter the tiles.
THEN you skimp on waterproofing the wall beforehand. Are you a CHEAP person?
Another prime example of not detailing the little things you need to know that can make all the difference. @ 14:27 he failed to explain when starting the 1st pc of tile @the edge of tub u need 2 shift the tile a bit over the edge to compensate 4 surface trim which runs down the side of the tub.
8 year old video…Do Not copy this..1/4 x 1/4” notched trowl on the wall and flat butter the tiles is the correct way..
YET another how to video which leaves out the most important detail when installing tile.NO advice on how to lay out just straight to the wet saw and lets make some cuts on the start of my how to video.