How To Install A Bath And Shower Surround | Delta Classic 400
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As part of a larger bathroom remodel I will walk you through all the steps to install a Delta Class 400 Series Acrylic Tub And Shower Surround. It is very important to follow all of the steps of the installation or the final product might not live up to your expectations and the potential for this product if properly installed
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Chapters
0:00 Project Overview
0:57 Wall Bracing And Stud Modifications
3:52 Glass Shower Door Bracing
5:07 Dry-Fit And Adjustments
8:16 Valve and Tub Spout Hole Location and Cutting
9:45 Dry Fitting Tub To Check For Issues
17:02 Final Dry-Fit Check
18:14 Fire Resistant Pad Install On Valve Side Panel
18:48 Applying Adhesive To Studs and Sealant Between Panels
22:57 Bracing Walls While Adhesive Dries
24:29 Sealing All The Panel Gaps
26:34 Final Thoughts
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Doing the template is genius! I'm glad I watched this video, I am doing a complete bathroom remode in a few weeks. Ive done toilets and vanties, but never a new shower install. Thanks for taking the time to make and share this.
Finally a video that tells everything that one needs to know to install this surround tub/shower combo. I have had my shower Laying in its boxes for nearly a year. YU NAILED IT ! Mahalo Nui 🤙
Best of luck with the project! You got this 🙌
Same here ...one year , unfinished. Just got cheapest wall kit. Gonna slap it up! Alooooohaaas❤😂
🛠The only reason I bought the Delta Classic 500 was because of your video installation. Great job, well explained and even showed your "non-perfect" areas, like gaps and cut holes. Most BS videos show perfect installs after several practice videos. Made us feel like we can do it, so we did. Delta owes you some % of the $.
Nice, glad the installed worked out for you 👍👍
I saw the Delta unit at HD today. They say you don't need caulk. Did you?
You look very professional and an honest guy. God bless you.!
Thanks!
Just a tip from someone who's been doing this for 30 years. I wouldn't use 1/2" pex B for your spout line out. Often its too restricting and causes water to always flow out your shower head when filling the tub.
Agreed, thanks for the callout on this one 👍
Hard pipe it or look for 3/4 valve tub outlet and 3/4 drop ear!
How much does it usually cost to have one installed?
@@EverydayHomeRepairs😮😮😮
@@touchcheeks4889 With removal of the old unit, wall finishing, paint, etc. I charge around $4k for a perfect job turnkey. Might be more or less in your area.
Dude that's a awesome idea with the cardboard I will use this technique tomorrow to finish my install. Thanks.
This is a project that I hope to undertake very soon. One recommendation that I especially am grateful for is when you mentioned making a cardboard template. That one recommendation made the entire video worthwhile for me. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Fill shelves with foam on backside. Insulate walls to muffle noise. Drill pilot hole from backside then flip over and finish hole drill. Run strip of wood same width as surround edge at top and install mold proof drywall. Get good quality faucet with hot/cold stops and make hole big enough to access.
I’m about to do this myself and NEVER done this before. Just to be clear, you mean spray foam from a can right? And a buddy told me to paint the drywall with Killz as a base coat, and do the same to all framing behind the insert as well. Does that all make sense or is it overkill?
I watched two different videos from someone representing Delta, my confusion comes from the shower pan top edge. Other video guy wants a foam seal put around top edge, and no other sealants other than on pan edge where sides mate with front L pattern with sealant.
Outstanding video, thank you! We used this as our main guide to install the Delta 600 surround and it was incredibly helpful. To cut down on the echoing/boominess of the surround, we applied 3 cans of Big Gap spray foam on the backside of the panels in the open pockets, under the shelves, etc. (applied another 2-3 cans to the undersides/inner gaps of the Kohler tub we installed as part of this project too, and then set the in mortar) and it made a huge difference. Give yourself plenty of time to be methodical and do it right. Follow every step and it will turn out awesome. Those long bar clamps are under $100 for a set of 4, and were of critical help, too. Could not have done this job nearly as well without this great video!
I would have installed wood blocking for glass door mounting regardless. Good future proofing practice
Man I can't thank you enough. I've watched your videos on the tub/shower. You really filled in a lot of the blanks for me. Now I'm ready to tackle mine.
Awesome instructions. Thank you. 3:52 Although you won't be installing shower doors, someone else might in the future if you ever sell the place. So I think it would have been nice to put in those extra studs. Plus it might give the surround just a bit extra rigidity.
Perfect video. Well thought out with fantastic instructions. Our bathroom is the spitting image of this one your working on. Followed your instructions step by step as we purchased the same tub and surround plus the shower valve. Delta needs to step up and financially support your channel.
Thanks for all your help!
I like these videos. Helps me understand the bills that I pay for professional work.
Love the hole saw re-drill tip 15:40
Thank you, just thank you for making this video. To anyone who plans to have someone install this, I suggest asking them to read the instructions AND sending them this video and asking them to watch it. Anyone who hasn’t already installed one of these very well may make a mistake or two that will ruin the surround.
I absolutely love this design.. Can it possibly be attached to green board and studs.. And still work properly???
Excellent video on all counts! Have saved this CZcams for a future project.
Really appreciate all the tips for a secure mounting of the "flimsy" panels.
Well done. Thanks for making this video. I learn from your work, and that makes your channel worthwhile. I need to install a new shower with door, so I'm off to find a video on that specific project. You have provided a solid foundation of knowledge to build on.
Well done, very thorough and thoughtful steps for future use like adding the soldering pad to the rear in case someone decides to go with copper for the mixer in the future. Someone someday might thank you for that. Very good job - I will probably still go with the "glue up" cheap version for my rental but this was still a useful video.
Nah bro it pays to do it the proper way even on rentals
What detailed instructions. Awesome explanation.. thanks
Excellent tutorial - thank you for making this video. Appreciate the stud work / shower door support explanation. I will be trying this out in the near future and using your vid for reference.
Great cardboard template reference pre-fit!
Nicely done. Thanks for the walkthrough!
That's cool. Thanks. I am kind of amazed that nothing needs to go between those panels and the studs. I was thinking of some kind of moisture barrier to prevent water or steam from going back into the wall studs. Also, I wish you had not assumed that everyone already had their tub/shower alcove dimensioned correctly, and covered the case of when you have to do something to make it the right dimensions. It is great to see this done though on video because it allows us to have the confidence to do something like this. Great video
I am think the same way as you do. I would put some insulation stuffs between the studs for heat/cold insulation, but the mosture barrier is not needed because water and moisture can't penetrate the fiberglass wall of the shower.
@@ttmich
Theoretically you are right, but water and moisture have a way to penetrate everywhere. He caulks the modules of the fiberglass panels, but what happens when they get very old?
@@justgivemethetruth fibreglass is used for boats. They generally don’t leak through the glass itself - but at joints. The same principle would apply here - the impermeable risk area is the silicone joints - not the panels unless they become damaged.
Just what I've been looking for.
Great!
Outstanding skill set you have!
Just installed one of these. Your video was very helpful! Thank you!
You bet!
Thank you for giving me confidence .
Great detailed explanation.
Thank you.
Thanks for making this video. I watched it before installing my shower surround, and I want to mention a few things that I ran into. My shower is a Sterling Ensemble which is made out of their proprietary Vikrell material (probably just fiberglass with a secret ingredient), so there are some differences compared to normal fiberglass.
1. I cut the valve hole from the back like you did, but that was a mistake since it caused blowout on the front of the panel. Thankfully, the valve cover will hide the blowout.
2. The panels only touch the studs at the top and bottom. There's no point using sealant like you did since it wouldn't make contact with the panels. The panels are quite firm on their own.
3. The side panels use a tongue and groove system to slot 1/4" into the back panel. When measuring for the valve opening, I forgot to take this into account and ended up 1/4" off!
Cheers!
Sterling is the only way to go .Period!
The sterling units require no caulking other than a small bead at the outside edge of the side panels where they meet the base. .Ive put many of these in. They’re decent for the money.
Great video. One observation based on past experience - I put a layer of cardboard down in the tub to protect the tub finish from those nasty little scratches caused by anything that happens to be caught in the tread pattern of your shoes or happens to stick to your shoe soles and you don't notice until AFTER you step in the tub to do work. Don't ask me how I learned that the hard way with my mother's shower. 8-(
Thanks for the tips. Doing my bathroom now.
Best of luck on the project!
bought a house where seemingly alot of the renovations were done with many half-measures. i smelled stagnant water in that bathroom and looking closely and pushing on the panels of this exact shower kit its loose as hell and ive been trying to find any info on if the joints are meant to be sealed. watching this i realize just how bad it is and likely they did not even use adhesive so it looks like im taking apart my shower today!
thank you for making a better video than the manufacturer.
I would add 2x6 blocking around the top where you cut the drywall at the top of the shower/tub mounting flange, which gives you additional support for securing the top of the surround!
I would of installed the 2x6's anyway just in case you or new owner might want shower doors.
Blocking the flanges off tub and shower surrounds is actually a code requirement in many areas.
@@Memo-nd6fj good point, you never know if you'll change your mind about the doors
It's also extra strength in the area where you'll later put a shower rod.
Great job man, great explanation
Nice demonstration. Thank you
Use shower rods to hold panels
it looks like you have a really nice finished product.. . I have installed 5 tub/shower surrounds kits in remodel projects this past winter and spring - not Delta brand.. However i installed Delta valves in all of them.. The brand of tub surround and shower surrounds kits that i installed require no adhesive and little to no caulk. While Delta is a nice looking surround i would not recommend it to my customers since seeing this install video.
However a very nice video if someone wants a Delta surround kit.
Best DIYer out there.
Extremely helpful!!! Thanks!!
Outstanding
Thanks for posting
Scott, Thank you so much for the details and notes.
You bet!
Just a note to an excellent video. If you intend to add a door or sliding doors to the tub/shower unit, you need something to hold screws for the frame on the ned pieces. You can add frame pieces as mentioned in the video or you can use contractors cement to glue in 2x4s inside the end pieces. I've glued in boards in two enclosure installs and it works great...its easier than inserting a frame piece.
What kind of adhesive are you using to bond the 2x4 to the acrylic surround ? I am in the process opf doing this and it seems easier doing it the way youj are saying -
Gluing the two bys doesn't hold those two bys to the main frame, however.
Have you released any more of the videos showing how you finished the top edge and the side edges where it will meet the drywall
You just put your drywall over that too flange so it covers it. Tape mud caulk
Very helpful! Just installed the same thing. I couldn’t find any of the four recommended sealants either. I think I’ll go with the dap amp hybrid too. Hopefully it does the trick.
Yeah, I think the DAP Amp did a good job. Best of luck. I think Delta is coming out with a 500 Series surround which will make this a bit easier and less need for sealing so many joints.
I just finished installing a Delta classic 400 base. Returned walls due to damage and have been unable to locate more shower walls in 400 series.
Is it possible to use 500 series walls with 400 series base.
Thank you so much for this, I really wish you could have shown what you do under the tub. I have the shower model and just need to know if I need to add hardy board to the floor or if putting it on top of the preexisting wood is all good.
Thanks this saved me a lot of money.
Great video! Very helpful!
Well done video, thank you!
Good video production, good instructions.
Scott. This is just amazing talent. You demonstrated a project that can be intimidating to oh wow I can do it too. This is enjoyable to watch and very detailed with tips. Well done. Thank you for sharing
Thanks Hassan, Excited to pull this all together into 1 monster video. Probably another 4-5 videos and then will put out the whole project at a bit faster pace but including all parts of the DIY Remodel. 👍
Do you have a video to show how to finish the walls around the tub surround ?
I was going to ask the same thing
Dude, you’re a lifesaver! I just bought this same model shower and tub today and this tutorial has already proven invaluable. Thanks for the help, and I’ll post an updated comment when done. 🤙🏼
How well did you do, mine was a bear and took me much longer than I imagined
@@stclairstclair it was a pain, but not horribly complicated. The biggest headache was that it was going in a 50 year old house, so I swear it seemed like nothing was square or plumb, so I had to pay attention to that first. It’s a decent tub and surround though.
How did you install the drywall around the shower?
@@Tygaswag18 just brought it to within a half, 3/4” from the bulging part of the surround and caulked it. Not a “professional” job by ANY means, but it works, and doesn’t look horrible.
Can fill the gap with drywall mud or cover it with a strip of pvc trim or some tile.
Great Video, Thanks for sharing !!
Brilliant I have recently bought a new house. The bathroom is a job I need to do. So informative and explained so clearly. This is definitely going to help. Are you able to show us how to install a new ceiling in the loungeroom. My inside ceiling needs replacing from water damage. The outside roof has been repaired so no more leak. You do such a great job. Thank you🙂
Thanks for the feedback Janine, I have about 5 more videos on this project and then will put out one video covering the entire project. I will add the ceiling repair to the list of possible videos. Thx!
@@EverydayHomeRepairs I’ve only made it 10 minutes so far, but do you need to have some sort of vapor barrier or moisture resistant material behind tub walls?
Very well done video
Well explain !
Thank you for the excellent video. How would you access the plumbing lines behind the shower wall in case of leaking?
Awesome video thank you!
Just a pro tip to anyone that is looking for a great sealant. OSI Quad clear is the best on the market.
I would put some blue painters tape on the front and back of the panel where you are drilling holes that way it want chip the surface.
Great video, very helpful,Thanks
Thanks!
Do you have a video of how you finished the walls around the top of the surround?
Thank you for the video! I think I watched about 5 videos for these surrounds and yours was the most helpful! I'm in AZ, I couldn't find the sealants and adhesives listed either. Working on the install this weekend. I'm using the shower pan version instead of the tub, same difference just taller walls. The floor is sloped about 1/8" from one end to the other. Do you know how much that is going to effect the install? I figure I may just have some gaps like you had where I would need a little more sealant at the bottom where the wall meets the pan. I just poured some self leveling cement stuff and turned out nice and flat, (as my floor was unevenly pieced together after replacing some rotted subflooring), its just not perfectly level. Thanks again for the video!
Liquid Nail also works to bond the wall panels
@EverydayHomeRepairs - Great video. Love the fact that you don't skip past steps and show the whole process in detail. What brand of fire-resistant pad did you use? Could you add a link?
That one just comes with the Delta 400 or 500 series surround.
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Thanks.
Thanks!
Great video!
Thank you
Love learning new information for the jobs I do. Where is the link you talk about the complete and finish "attempt" at mudding at around 27 minutes? Thank you
This guy is a boss!
Great video! Thank you.
You bet!
Excellent video
Thanks!
Thank you for your video you did an excellent job and I loved it in very details you was explained so precisely ! Anyway , I have a questions asking that from the top edge for 3 panels you screws in it on
the studs panel shower wall its thick about 1/8 inch when I added the sheetrocks to cover these edges I was not flush at the bottom panels wall . So any suggestions. Thanks a lot .
Use sheet rock 1/8" thinner then what's existing and pad out the studs by the difference.
Possible consideration, being the studs are exposed, to place bracing between the studs for addition of shower grab bars either now or the future.
I install grab bars for a living. You are so right.
“Blocking”
It’s known as “blocking”.,..
@@Casmige Ok! Blocking it is then.
If you ever drill the holes slightly off-center, you could always move the valve it would be a lot cheaper than going and buying another shower surround.
Good point 👍
Or just use a debur bit on a die grinder or drill to auger out the hole slightly the way you need it rather than using a round hole saw, this way you can shape the hole exactly like you need
your videos are great
Thanks 👊
Just brought a house with these showers and the gaps are not sealed thanks for this ill seal them asap I knew it's seemed wrong
You are the bests. 👍🏼
Great video
Thanks!
Use the card board to imprint the valves on backside by pushing in and then transfer the cardboard stencil
Thanks for the video. Two questions. 1) Should the studs behind shower be pressure treated? 2) I have heard about leaving a small sealant gap to leave a weep hole for condensation on backside of shower to drain into tub, not sure if this is universal?
Great Vid. We have a cast iron tub (same shape) that we so not want to replace. Can you recommend a shower surround for that works with existing tub? Thanks.
Hi All ,, At the 2:10 to 2:30 part on the video ,, I ( and others have mentioned to ) think it's good to add extra support bracing , in case you'd want to add hand rails ,, at some point ,, to the wall .
And with camera phones now - a - days ,,, take pictures where they are place , along with measurements ,, that way you'll know where they were placed .
Though the kit he used has some "hold" , "grab" area's ,,, some tub surrounds are just plain , smooth walls ,,,, and you can place grab bars in more places .
if thats the case, would be better to put in some 2x8 strips instead....give more wiggle room on placement.?
Harbor Freight has those poles on clearance sale right now for $10.99 each. (Feb 20, 2023).
They call them cargo poles or cargo braces or something like that.
I wouldn't want to use them for holding back cargo but for home diy use as mentioned they will be fine.
That is a great price, thanks for the heads up.
@@EverydayHomeRepairs I tried to explain to the guy there what I was looking for but he didn't have a clue. Then I saw this and thought "close enough", turned out to be the very same.
The lower clamp on the blue sections doesn't stay tight so I'm thinking of drilling a could holes so I can put some pins through to keep it locked in place.
Thanks for showing it. I have a small shower remodel coming up.
They have them currently listed as "2-in-1 Support/Cargo Bar". $18 as of 10/13/23. They also have one called "Ratcheting Cargo Bar"
did you do a video on finishing the shower and bathroom walls?
Is it possible to retrofit shower walls that are 32D with a tub that is 30D? 😮
Will this work for the delta series 60? I need to put in a temporary. Thanks
Thank you for great instructions! I do have one question though. I did not understand the purpose of the two horizontal studs you talked about starting at 58 seconds. Can you please elaborate?
It's just added support blocking for the sealant.
Drill pilot hole from back then turn panel over and finish hole, go in reverse to start then forward
I put a tub surround in at our cabin and I got it from Lowes and it was annoying to install as it was egg shell thin and required studs every 12 inches and the surround had to be glued to the studs with a special tub surround glue in addition to screwing the surround to the wall. If I hadn’t been on a septic system I would have drywalled and tiles as it is way easier and stylish.
Drywall and tile don't mix well together. Unless you are using a Kerdi membrane. It needs to be water tight before tile, hope that helps from having a moldy rotten mess.
On the exterior wall, do you need to have a vapor barrier(plastic) or something?
I'm curious because I'm doing a similar project... And my basement exterior wall has two by fours with insulation and plastic over them.
Which in essence means I have to trim the plastic off of the studs so I can glue the wall panels to the studs
Never put plastic over your studs. It will condensate and create mold. Must have breathable barrier plastic does not breathe.
Great video Scott. Was the blocking you installed on the back wall at 43 and 46 inches high for a grab bar?
I noticed there was no vapor barrier on the exterior wall. Can anyone give any advice on how to handle a vapor barrier with the need to use adhesive.
I want to put a surround like this on my old cast iron tub that doesn't have a lip on it. I'm terrified. Don't want to replace the tub, it's really nice and most importantly installed and paid for. Am I going to have a bad time?
Just wondering - or suggesting - once you know exactly where the hardware will be where you will need the holes, why not just put the laser level on the target (e.g., handle) and then dry fit he panel without moving the laser? Wouldn’t that give you the location for the hole? You’d have to do that for both holes of course. After watching your video I bought that laser level - at first I thought I wasted $100, but you made a believer out of me! Thanks much!
I'm in the process of installing these walls right now and thought of trying this as well. The only issue is that you can't dry fit the walls with the tub spout and valve installed so you likely will not get a perfect measurement unless you install/uninstall your valve/spout a couple of times.
Hello!
Thank you for the fantastic video on how to install the tub surround system. I have a question I’m hoping you can answer - Let me set it up …..
We have an ICF home where the exterior walls are Insulated Concrete Forms. That is, the walls are styrofoam blocks filled with concrete. So, on the one hand, we will have support across the entire back side of our surround system. BUT, I am concerned that the adhesive won’t stick to the styrofoam. Is there an adhesive you’ve used on styrofoam and/or one that you can recommend?
Thank you so much!
Kevin Bender
Bristow, OK
Needed insulation on side wall for sound dampening and retaining heat in the shower.
Great info, but I have an issue with support! I have no way to clamp anything to my back surround! My bathroom run length ways so nearest wall is like 10’ away!!