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Never EVER apologise for personal reasons Jay. It happens and it's no business of anyone but you and your family. Hope all is well.
@@disguiseddv8ant486 yall goofy bastards have way too much time.
Calm down bro he didn't apologise, he gave an explanation.
@@disguiseddv8ant486 You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. First off, hes doesn't owe you or us anything. Hes here for our entertainment. Second, you have no idea what his contractual obligations are. Third, its OK to feel compassion and empathy for human beings, not everyone is out to screw you over. Chill out.
@@yeahk241 agreed
@@disguiseddv8ant486 Are you saying he has to apologise because he has a contract with the viewers? That's not how making CZcams videos works. If you mean his contract with the supplier, he still doesn't have to apologise and especially not in the video unless that was some strange agreement he made with the company beforehand
Sorry to hear of health issues. Hope all gets resolved for you and your wife.
Hey man "health reasons" aren't an excuse, life happens and you don't need to feel bad about it. Hope you and your wife get through whatever is going on and come out better on the other side.
Also, always love a rant on the industry and a nice explanation of what the CPU names all mean! Thanks for all you and your team do to cover the tech space.
You meant health reasons are always a valid excuse..? Laziness is the one that isn't an excuse 😂
@@extremederpz4270 or always excused
@@extremederpz4270 The term "excuse" is weird. I would prefer if excuse was synonymous with reason but often excuse is defined more as a 'bad reason'.
that first sentence sounded CRAZY
omg
I think another issue not addressed in the video (at least up to 20:20) is that modern games seem to be so terribly optimised that going overkill on specs is a way to try and counter it
I'm noticing this with the vram panic. A few poorly optimized games has people freaking out saying you need essentially 6800xt and ryzen 7600 minimum now be ause of cyberpunk and a few awful console ports.
What crack are you on?
i've been using my current gaming pc for 7 years and now im overkilling on specs cause I want to use the next one for the next 10 years
yeah. I have 3080 and i9 11k and it still struggles with some modern games (1440p) even at medium settings
@@xenosayain1506I need VRam for workstation rendering, so more higher VRam options is nice. Still dislike how most games today are poorly optimized though
Glad to hear the nod to motherboards as the other half of the "paralysis by indecision" issue. I personally find pairing a good MB with my choice of CPU and GPU far more challenging than picking out the CPU and GPU in the first place.
The problem with motherboards is that it shouldn't be like that by the very nature of the motherboard but manufacturers like to create artificial paywalls between features and tiers. When I was young, some motherboards even had VRM daughterboards that you could use to upgrade the VRM. Things such as M.2 should not be horizontally placed on the motherboard but on an expansion card using bifurcation, unless it's some itx motherboard that goes in a special case. Every capable motherboard should offer full pcie 5.0x16 bandwidth on multiple slots and let users pick and choose the usb, networking, audio, storage configuration through expansion cards. This is the point of a PC, that it's supposed to be customizable. Bios flashback, dual bios, cmos reset are all features that can be implemented post purchase with simple, cheap workarounds but that means the manufacturer can't charge you an extra $100 for what it costs $10 to implement if you really feel like you need these features on day one to build your PC. GN Steve's rant about seven digit displays was absolutely spot on about how manufacturers screw over customers these days.
Agreed i have a x570 aurus gigabyte and i dont like it
The bios is a mess
It sucks the bios battery empty
When i plug out a usb the mouse and keyboard stop working. These things are never in a review so i made video
Yep, and after all that drama, everything you ordered arrives and you start putting the things together you figure out that your old CPU cooler for the same old CPU on the new motherboard DOESN'T FIT the new motherboard because the old motherboard was an HP Omen proprietary motherboard with a custom AIO, either that ort microATX motherboards have a different layout for the CPU cooling solutions from the full size ATX which I haven't even considered up until this point (thinking same CPU, same chipset, it will just work, right?). Whichever the case, the AIO from the prebuilt didn't come with any extra retention brackets.
@@vedranb87 That is dowm to your own due dilligence. You let yourself get locked in to, or penalised by, a cut-price ecosystem. The likes of Alienware/Dell and HP are whole-product PC's. Technically speaking they are not IBM-clone PC's; which are (by accident) a kit of parts built to standards. I've been stung myself; GN has been stung. (GN is what it does in large part from being stung. Their reviews of such do the due diligence for, and show how to do it, yourself). You can MAKE an upgrade to work; but it will cost you time and effort that defeats why you bought the thing in the 1st place. You'll be a better PC enthusiast by learning from this though; so it is not all bad. Still sucky; but not all bad.
Yes! It's been like 10 years since I looked into pc stuff basically, since I made my 4790k rig, which I'm still using and hasn't failed at all, and when I'm still bloody confused on what motherboard to buy. And even among the ones I know are good, I read about a lot of problems, ie. The Intel Ethernet cutting out all the time!
Thank you Jay! I run a local computer business. I have been feeling the same frustrations as you. Trying to communicate all of these things quickly and easily to a customer can be frustrating. Developing new ways of approaching build philosophy has been my goal. I finally found my way of doing it. By figuring out what monitor they have and budget. If they are aiming for 1080p 144Hz, then it isn't difficult. If they want to run something with higher resolution or refresh rate, then I adjust my target accordingly. It simplifies it for them but still complicates it for me. Finding the right balance.
Keep up the "boomer rants" because it makes me not feel alone in this.
Didn't know a local pc shop could still make money. Good for you.
Yeah, a resolution target seems like a good goal when asking what someone wants out of their computer.
@Indigo Mizumi it makes it so much easier. Why have high tier hardware, and only have a 27" 1080p 144Hz monitor. The monitor is also just a Spectre or Koorui so that refresh doesn't even look good. It's all good because you are getting 300+ fps in your game.
I have always started with budget and resolution when spec-ing systems. If they don’t have a monitor yet or want me to spec that too, I go with budget and use case.
@@olandersnake I went overpowered with my current build (And have yet to probe its limits) and see no reason to do major upgrades right now. There are some things I want to reconfigure but with a 5900X and a 3080 I'll be set for performance for a long time. My only problem with the 3080 is that I want to dual boot WIndows and Linux and Nvidia just doesn't work well with Linux.
I can totally relate to this. I was running a Ryzen 3600, 16gb DDR4, X570 motherboard and had a temp 1660 Super while I waited for the GPU chaos to end. The new lines dropped and just added so many new lines for seemingly no real reason, so I just upgraded to a 5800X3D, 6800XT and doubled my ram all on sale or in auctions. Suits all my 1440p needs, saved a ton of money and beyond 4K absolute peak specs, I'm not sure who needs all the confusing latest stuff lol
no one cause when you look at many of the cpu's 6 different 6 core and 8 different 8 core cpu's is stupid just to pinch penny's on plus or minus 100 mhz on cpu speed it's like why? who cares
@@raven4k998 absolutely agree. It just confuses the market and overwhelms any first time builder.
5800X3D + 6950XT + 1440p here. Can't complain. Even tweaked the GPUs clock speeds to only suck around 170 watts compared to stock 340 watts, while even performing much better for me (higher minimum clocks paired with lower maximum clocks, no undervolting, giving me a very stable performance/power curve). Perfect for my needs and I still have lots of performance/power headroom for newer titles when they actually need more performance.
4k gamers. It's not till this current generation where 4k has actually been tamed. Yes for 1080 ppl and mostly 1440 ppl, this stuff is far overkill. Now that 4k seems tamed they are starting on 8k lol. Think I'll stay 4k till they tame 8k
@@chowjappa6470 Yeah and they weirdly keep launching new things for 1440p and 4k that are worse and more expensive than options that already exist. The market is so weird right now. Dozens of CPU's with little to no difference, dozens of new GPU's with nobody wanting them. Want 1080p or low/mid 1440p = 6700XT, want high 1440p and 4K? = 6950XT or 7900 series. Want the absolute top card on the market? 4090. There is no need for any of the other cards tbh except maybe a budget 1080 option like 6500XT lol
Always appreciate your "rants" definitely makes it feel like a closer more realistic connection with your audience as consumers. The whole tech industry is absolutely insane right now and this is a great video that showcases it. The amount of available products is absolutely insane and when you factor in the cost of everything it's mind blowing. I'm in the predicament of wanting to upgrade, but the whole cpu/mobo/ram issues make me worry, I just want to wait it out a bit longer until more of these odd issues are straightened out. Also factor in a new gen GPU costs slightly less than what I built my entire PC for.....
Yea I just play games on my pc there's no way in hell I'm paying these prices ever. I'll just enjoy what I have, which still runs everything 3800x 1080ti.
That's why I decided to buy an Xbox series X for my 4k TV. I am not paying 500 € for single midtier GPU, when windows dies on my 4790k I'll try to put Linux on that PC or something...
I simply wanted to add that these videos are extremely appreciated to help clear up potential confusion! Hoping that the whole team and your loved ones stay healthy.
Yeah, agreed, lol. I'm putting together a system and man... I'm deep down the PC rabbit hole, and it's crazy how much there is. I know a lot about this stuff, and it's still a lot to take in. Videos like this helps clear things up.
This is why I'm in favor of future proofing. I got a 5900x and I have no plans to upgrade for the next 5 years at least. I might even skip the entire AM5 platform.
I'm in the same boat here. Went for the 5900x over others available at the time and that will do me for several years. Then when I want to upgrade it'll be more than enough for my father and the games he plays .
Bro, dude , man, guy.. i got a 5600 and aint planning to upgrade for 5 years.
Aye, my main gaming system is running a 5900X and 6900XT, and that's gonna last me for the next 5 years before I sideline it to being a video editing rig once 2160p120 High settings becomes more viable so I can step up from 1440p120 High settings (Frames Win Games, Aesthetics can be sacrificed for a higher stable framerate).
I bought a 5800X3D today for 200 dollars. do you think ill be fine for the next 5 years?
No point in future proofing buddy. In a few years we'll have 200$ cpus matching your 5900x in multithreading and absolutely annihilating it in single core. And if you think 5900x will get you 100+ fps in the upcoming UE5 games, you're VERY wrong.
On one hand Jay amazing talker knows his stuff scriped well segways are perfect and on the other hand Phil with his amazing editing knowing exactly were to cut stuff keeps the video moving. Both together makes an incredible team! Keep it up!
This video adds so much needed perspective on not only all the CPUs but all the different versatility in the market which can definitely create confusion for people who want to learn about computers. I hope your family is doing well Jay!
The only reason I haven't lost my mind among the myriad SKUs we have right now is because I've been watching tech channels for years, otherwise it'd confuse me way more than it did when I built my first PC. And then every time people ask me about PC building and I gave them some recommendations, they would be back with more questions I wouldn't expect at all. I can't even imagine being in Jayz's position and reading a bunch of emails about that every day lol
Decided that this year I am going to upgrade my R5 2600 - 5700xt PC so I'm just dipping my toes back into the PC market universe, and I don't think I've ever felt more confused in my life haha
best way is to bring a sort of diary or copybook and just write them and put notes, kinda like a homework, very helpful.
@@mrfoxycracker4836 did you make a decision? I can't decide between the i5-13500 or r5-7600
@@user-bj8yj4mq5p yeah I did actually, I upgraded to a 5600x and a 7900XT, didn't see much point in replacing my mobo just yet and paying extra for ddr4, I'm quite happy with my setup now
Thank you Jay, you're input & knowledge has been awesome for many. We're researching parts for our future builds and came across your channel. There's a bunch to know, to say it gets confusing at times is an understatement! No worries about timing of videos, family health is most important here.This video talking about health hit close to home for me. Long story as short as possible: While researching possible build parts and upgrade paths for my desktop I came across your channel. I'm rocking a cyberpower PC with FX6300, 8GB, and a FX580 8GB 2048. I'm blessed to have this PC that allows me to play some great games, but its starting to show its age playing newer demanding games. My wife, who got into gaming this past year, is using a i7 8550, 8Gb, and GTX 1050 4gb notebook.This notebook is starting to show its age with newer games also. We just took her notebook apart for its 1st cleaning & thermal paste CPU & GPU applications. Good time we had. Now we're both playing on 1080p monitors, so we don't need monster PC's that can run 1440P & 4K. We know all this because of people, like you, who share your wealth of knowledge/experience. Thanks again! That knowledge is helping us narrow down our choices while weighing options. We' can't afford mistakes on a very limited budget (I'm sure many understand this). My wife's desktop will be our 1st build and watching her enticement from videos like yours brings a smile to my face. This may be cheezy to some, but after she became wheelchair bound, she's retreated from the world. She barley leaves house because its to painful to do so. Anytime something sparks a light in her, I take notice because everyone needs a spark to keep their spirits up. Watching PC videos and gaming has been a sweet spark for her. So thank you, all your staff, and whoever else makes this happen. Much kudos for all the hard work y'all do! Peace..... :)
The good news is all these variations provide mountains of content for creators like you guys
I also like how your advice boils down to "pick a reasonable budget and buy whatever's in stock and you're gonna have a good CPU"
Built my new gaming PC since 2006, your videos (among others) helped me get up to date on the "newer" stuff. Love the channel, and thanks for doing what you do!
Thanks Jay. Stuff like this is really helpful for us not plugged directly into the tech Matrix. Hope you and yours health is sorted soon. Take care.
Hope your whole family is doing better soon.
I've been doing that stare at my screen the last three days. THANK YOU for your point and advice. And for all you do providing this to people like me!
(I hope the health issues are resolved positively!)
I literally have been pouring over products to choose from and my god you have made me feel better about it all. I ended up choosing some parts you recommended and it honestly makes me feel so much better about the whole process for my first PC build. Thank you, kind sir!
well audio is abit different from pc since its very subjective/taste based so alternatives might actually the one that works well for you
Hi Jay, hope you are all doing well. Have been a long time viewer and have built 5 systems since watching one of your earlier pc build vids. I have 3 of them currently, my latest is an intel 12900K on a Z690 platform, I undervolted both cpu and my 3080 12gig based on your earlier vids.
I guess what I am saying here is that we rely on your reviews and honest output so we don't have to stand in front of a shelf full of parts to see what buy, we generally have it boiled down due to watching countless comparisons and reviews. BTW I am from Australia and live 180 klms from the nearest city, all of my parts are purchased online so your reviews etc are most appreciated.
Cejay
Cool....I just love Tazmanian Devils....
Great video, man ! I built a new computer these days and it was an endless story to mix and match components for my needs. It is nice to have so much choice, but then it will create a paradox and we lose time for no real reason.
Yes decision paralysis happens a lot with that kind of stuff
This is why you just buy the latest and greatest at the time and there is not much thinking involved.
@@xamedix and if people arent enthusiasts looking at getting a PC is a nightmare
Thank you for making this, Jay! My friend is asking for my help building his system and I was so torn where to start
I am brand new to this channel, and I will say not only are the videos entertaining they are insanely informative. Thank you and I hope everything is going well with your family!
Hope everything is OK with you and your wife Jay, we can wait for a review. Health always comes first 🙏
As always love your content, no one does it better
I love that you made this video, i mean my 8th gen i5 is still putting in the work on a bunch of modern games and still providing an enjoyable and playable experience, I may end up upgrading to a 9th gen i7 and a 2080ti and call it a day on the 1440p beast
As a person who's going to build his first gaming PC next week, decision paralysis was definitely a big issue for me, especially when choosing a motherboard, I was so horribly confused on which mobo to get (I went with a B660 Steel Legend on sale that was cheaper and had more features than the one I had picked out). I know I definitely overspent on a few things, and that was after a friend was trying to encourage I get a nicer system with a 3060 Ti and an i5-13600K saying that I needed it (I settled with an RX 6650 XT and a i5-12400F). I was surprised when learning, generally speaking, that "X part is better than Y part" does not mean that X part is bad, and is perfectly suitable for most games. This is coming from a guy with a shitty laptop with a GTX 1060 in it and an i7-8750h that runs at like 170 degrees (F) on any game made in the last 15 years (the GPU isn't as bad, but that CPU really holds it back because of those temps), but I can still play even modern games, granted I turn basically all the settings down. Even now, before I build my system, I have that nagging feeling in the back of my mind of "did I really choose the right parts?", even if i've soaked in a lot of reviews and comparisons and benchmark videos to see that it's not really a huge deal, and basically anything will be a big step up from what I have.
tldr; I'm an inexperienced little baby when it comes to PC building, but you really don't need the best of the best unless you're an enthusiast with a big budget. Especially if you do your research and learn how you can get the most out of your parts, even if that tinkering may be frustrating at first. (also Jay if you see this you're a lifesaver for making a video on my SSD, the Samsung 980 Pro, so I know to immediately check and update it if I got the bad model. No wonder it was on sale when i was gifted it lmao)
The trick is avoiding lemons, the top tier is for prople who don't care about cost, mere mortals buy on price and then features. maybe box art !?
Your TLDR summed up nicely. Most people think they need a 4090 and an i9 top spec to run their favorite games. All people are confused but any option would suffice. The thing is, we always want to extract the best value out of our limited budgets, hence why we're all confusing. However, I always advise people going with the most recent versions of parts. Meaning, for example, yes idk a 2080ti might be better than a 3060ti, but in support and features the 2080ti might be held back in the future. Your friend talking about the 13600K could be talking aobut that, BUT I would say that you could've gotten a 13600 non K variant especially since you're new to this and not really into OC'ing (that's actually another one that people always talk about, 99% of people don't want to OC since they just want to play their games). At the same time I would've kept the 3060Ti in the system since it would be better than the 6650XT and if you could spend a bit more would be awesome.
Despite everything I think you have a great system and hope you enjoy it!
Look for combo deals, I got 32gb ddr5 mobo and 7600x all for under 500
@@vossman5 good luck in Australia that combo would run you $1200 atleast
@@crf80fdarkdays That's because its Australian Pesos
Dude thank you, feel this so much right now with my first build. Very helpful
I just switched over to PC a few months ago with a prebuilt and I'm already looking into changing parts out and making it more my own and I've got to say, I really appreciate your channels and others for sifting through all the marketing bs and laying it out there for us. If it wasn't for you and others like you I'd of definitely been way too overwhelmed to make the switch.
Always be aware of your power supply in the prebuilt system. Usually companies cheap out a bit on prebuilts so be aware of that!
Lmk if u need help I gotchu
Hopefully health issues have cleared up for you guys!
You guys taking the time to talk about it in this manner is really helpful. It ties in very well with how I go about helping friends pick out parts. I usually direct them towards the mid-to-high end of the mid-grade (5600x or 5800x as Ryzen CPU examples), and then from there make changes based on workload, how much time they want before upgrading, etc. I also try to keep them in the middle ground of motherboards. Like yeah you can buy the $400 motherboard like I did, or save $200 to put towards a bigger SSD and a step up on the GPU side from a 4070 to a 4080.
or buy a top of the line Mobo when its on sale Like I did :D
Yup I stayed with the Ryzen 5000 series. I've got 5800X3D paired with the 6800XT and I do a lot of PC/VR games and it's a beast of a combo. Thanks for giving out the advice cause that helped me out a lot.
I can't wait for the motherboard video! I am struggling right now to build a gaming/ working PC
Thank you Jay and team! A Great and much needed video ! I hope and pray things improve with you and your family 🙏🙏
We really appreciate when you make videos like this. It feels like the average consumer has no way to say anything to the computer hardware industry. It seems like only people like you with your type of platform can make any Headroom of it. So thank you
Lol, of course you have a way to say something. You do it buying or not buying their shit. The only reason why companies are pushing out all this shit and doing their crazy prices is because consumers er saying its ok and keep buying ther product...
@@mistenkt Prices seem fine given all things considered...
Great in-depth video on all the different CPU's out there. Jayz video's, however, are primarilly focussed on gamers and I wouldn't mind seeing some info on how to select parts for someone who doesn't just game on their computer. For example, getting some info on selecting parts for building a PC for someone who games and does creative things on their computer like photo editing, video editing, auto cad, audio engineering, etc would be awesome as well.
I agree with you totally. I am not a gamer. My primary use for my machine is homework and CAD/Revit/Bim style of work. The only information I find when it comes to processors; is Intel Xeon and AMD Threadripper Pro. So a while ago, I made the base of my system based on the AMD Threadripper Pro and Asus WRX Pro motherboard.
I can not get anyone to share any information on how these processors will work in the world of CAD/BIM and etc.
Right now, the AMD Threadripper and Asus combination are great. My only issue - is if this is really an issue. It is not cool no manufactor produces a small format motherboard based on the MATX format. Everything is ATX and up. Which means most cases are high. So right now, I am considering going to Intel Xeon so that I can use the smaller Micro ATX motherboard.
I wish you well!
Really appreciate this video. Have been looking at trying to upgrade my now 10 year old rig. Have found the landscape incredibly confusing and also feeling forced into spending probably more than I need to get the latest and greatest. This video helped me see the light.
I went with the 7950X about a month ago and it does everything that I need. I'm not changing it until it becomes outdated.
Hopefully games finally get heavily threaded. Perhaps in 5 years it will be as fast or faster than 7800x3d. That would be very interesting to see.
Biggest mod you can do is a beefy cpu cooler. Then ram. I had stability illues with 6000mhz ram. I set it to 6200mhz and it's now stable. There's still bios issues.
If u tune it right it will nearly as fast as the X3D to the point where you'd not be able to tell the difference unless your using a 4090 to run 1080p. So your good.
@@jondonnelly4831 honestly "gaming CPUs" are overkill for anything but 1080p. Still Intel fanboys will say x3d loses 🙄
@@christophermullins7163 You couldn't have said it better. To play in 4k you don't need a X3D, just a 7600 is enough
I finally upgraded my fx8350 and rx480 at the end of last year when prices for the "old" stuff was low to a 5700x and a 6700xt. It's an unfathomable difference and even seeing the the performance gains of the newest gens of cpus and gpus I don't see any reason I will need to get anything new in the next 3-5 years. I'm happy playing games at relatively high settings and fps with my midrange stuff. I don't need a video card and cpu that makes me need to buy a whole new monitor to keep up, 1440p at 144 is good enough for me.
Thank you for this video. It was very helpful and time to do research about this stuff. Please make more videos like this for motherboards with details like the CPU sockets and what type of rams it can take and how much power it needs to support all other perriferals etc. and maybe in the future another video about GPUs. Keep up the good work you are doing for all of us :)
Appreciate the background! Excellent video man
I'm glad you're talking about this because honestly I didn't really know where to start with my personal rig? I just got the ryzen 7 5700X and called it good. As for Intel...looking at all of them really confuses me so hearing you break it down helped a lot.
I built my first PC last year (I was a longtime laptop user since the XP era) and went overboard (this was shortly before the latest gen CPUs and GPUs came out). Before actually getting the parts I asked around quite a bit. It's definitely confusing for a newcomer, especially with the CPU and motherboard market overloaded with seemingly similar choices.
The amount of cpus made me think of the 90’s Macs before Steve Jobs came back when they had a ton of computers available that were very close to each others
it made me think of the lower end of the smartphone market. Samsung alone has a SKU for every 20-25 dollar interval from like 80 dollars all the way up to 500.
I remember my parents' first Mac Performa came with advertisements for new model Macs. We joke about it to this day, but the ironic thing is we still have that machine.
@Fetzie there's a good reason for that. In Southeast asia $25 is still a good chunk of cash. Many people try and save dollars.
And now they’re having the same problem with macbooks
IKR !!! I went to Micro Center a month ago and just left without buying anything for a new tower build. This video is sooo perfect for explaining what the hell I went through. Maybe I will try again. I'm taking notes and hopefully will get new parts. Youuuu are soo right. It was extremely difficult to figure out. Thanks Jay
No it's not
This video really helped! First time builder, made me change my mind from a non-K, to a 13700k to pair with my msi z590 carbon ek x water cooled build, with yeston rtx 3080 for my mid range gaming platform.
Focus on what's important and get yourself healthy, Jay! All the best to you and your family!
I'm rolling with 5700x (staying in the 65w envelope) of the previous AMD platform. When the current platform reaches maturity, I will upgrade then, being able to pick from the best of the platform.
that 5700x will be good for a long time to come... i have a 5900x, and will not change it anytime soon for sure.
What I’m doing, running a 2700x and waiting for the next chips to come out. Eyeballing the 7800x3D for the improved performance and less of a severe bottleneck with my 3060ti.
@@UmbraWeiss Oh definitely. In fact, besides some games (yes, just some), I cannot tell much difference between this and my previous A10 8750B based system. Oh wait, there is one thing I need to check-- 4K streaming video content.
Thanks for being for the consumer Jay. You were essential for me and building my first system. You Barney style really complicated stuff so us beginner peons can understand it. Lol great work. Sorry to hear about medical problems. Hope you’re feeling better. I’ll be keeping you all in my thoughts.
Love the Video as always Jay, and you and all the other CZcams content makers you mentioned i also watch, i applauded all of you for you work and time :D
You've perfectly described my frustrations with shopping for a new system. I'm finally upgrading my ageing 4690k platform that I've been sat on since 2014. I came to the conclusion that it was pointless and far too expensive trying to buy anything current gen and have decided to get either a 5600 or 12400F platform as the price of last gen CPUs are much more reasonable and either of them will be a monster upgrade over what I have
I just built my son a 12400F system this last week. It's incredible how good that cheap little CPU is.
You waited too long to decide to upgrade. Everything is expensive now. Even the last or even 2 generation old hardware. I was buying Gigabyte B450M mobo's at Micro Center back in 2018 for $25 open box. Now the open box prices are $60 for the same board.
I have the 5600 and it works great!
Haven't heard that name in years
@@disguiseddv8ant486 eh, nothing's ever been that cheap here in the UK - less supply/harder to come by I think. Besides, back in 2018 I had no need to upgrade, 4690k was still doing serious work then
Having a 5950x I see no need to upgrade for another 5 years. However I have changed motherboards and added 64gig of system memory it does more than I need it to. I could have used a 5600x and would have been just as happy. My daughter has that one. Great Video Jay.
Wish you and family all the best, and speedy recovery Jay!
Thanks Jay, this is exactly the kind of video I needed now.
I've been using a i7-4790K, that has served me VERY well, since I build my computer in 2015.
It was so much easier back then, as the PC market was a bit less confusing, with less CPU's to choose from.
I'm gonna pick a i5-12600K, 16gb (or maybe 32gb) DDR4 ram, and hope it will be good for many years to come, just like my old build.
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If you’re going for a system you definitely won’t upgrade why choose the 12600k?
In my opinion the best and cheapest system you can get at the moment is the amd am4 platform, it’s having its last hurrah with amazing prices and amazing parts.
I just bought a used system a few days ago for 1000€.
It has the amazing ryzen 7 5800X3D, a Radeon 6950 xt 32gb ram, watercooling, a good case with high end fans, basically everything that I’ll ever need in the next few years.
It’s the best gaming setup possible on the am4 platform and I got it for the price of a new entry level system.
All the parts still have warranty it’s just amazing.
I really recommend looking into used pc builds.
Ignore the idiots who think their stuff is still worth lots of money - it isn’t!
The prices have fallen brutally and that’s why we buy now, cheaper than ever!
After all the scalping and stupid crypto stuff finally we get cheap parts!
Oh and please don’t buy the latest generation, the graphic cards for example only have 3-5% more power for their equivalent generation at almost double the price.
This is the worst increase in the history of consumer PC parts as we know them!
So I would suggest going with the AM4 platform from AMD.
The Ryzen 7 5800X3D for gaming and the Ryzen 9 5900x/5950x for work if you do physical simulations, high end renderings etc.
For non specific daily stuff just buy the regular Ryzen 7 5800x, it’s a high end CPU itself.
I’d also suggest going with the Radeon 6900 XT/6950 XT since they are so cheap these days that I don’t even consider Nvidia and their ridiculous prices anymore.
I sold my Nvidia RTX 3060ti for almost the price the 6900 XT costs used, people are really stupid and believe the „only Nvidia builds next gen gpus“ bullshart.
This could create a situation for someone called "decision paralysis", this actually happens and IS a (growing) problem.
Analysis paralysis
Yep, been thinking of what CPU to put in my next build. Heck, even having a hard time deciding if the price is worth spending on amid tier cpu for a server.
Yep get your self in such a spin you put it off for another few years
Dialysis Paralysis
I don’t understand
So .... I use a single pc setup. Me and a buddy tested streaming on my 7950X3D.
The 8 none 3D V-cache we use for the streaming software while the 8 3D V-cache cores run the game. Works awesome ngl.
I want to do that is it hard to set up?
@@joegreezynot really. There is a guide up already to do so. Well, a german guide at least. Just google for it.
But i can guarantee you, as soon as you have set it up its working flawlessly. No drop in game performence eighter since it uses the usually parked cores.
I have my tarkov limited to 144 fps due to my monitor but everything ultra, no dlss. Streaming without a single drop.
The 7800X3d might be the better gaming chip, but when you do these hybrid workloads (gaming + streaming) i dont think that any other chip can compete.
@@dotEXCEI_ thank you, I agree with you completely on that.
Hi, Jay. I just wanted to thank you and your team for the content you make. I'm a completely fresh newbie to this PC-building world since the last month when I decided that I wanted to make a PC that could fullfil my average gaming needs and I've been trying to understand as best as I can what parts do I need without exaggeranting, the names, technologies, terminologies, tiers and all that stuff. In that process, I've seen dozens of channels and videos and yours is truly one of the best I've found so far. I love how consumer-oriented you guys are in your reviews, how blunt and honest you guys are when saying things like "If you're just gonna do X in your PC, then you don't need Y super high-end stuff. In fact, almost nobody needs it, a Z component is gonna be more than enough".
I also like how clear and straight to the point you guys are. You guys have been a life-saver for me this past month when trying to understand how PC building works and in understanding what things I really need and what others, despite being a plus, might not be worth the extra money or would be excessive for my needs. Also, your humor is catchy, made me laugh a couple of times.
So it's really relieving to hear that even you experts are starting to have problems with how overly complicated PC parts categories are getting. Sometimes I found myself wondering if this was really convoluted or maybe I was jus "too dumb" because of how much I was struggling to understand what parts I should pair with what parts in order to get the most out of my build for the right price and without wasting potential or overinvesting in things that are overkill for what I need.
So, yeah, thanks a ton guys for your clear advices and, most of all, for your bluntness and your honesty, always putting the consumer first and trying to make things easier to understand for everybody while saving us from this greedy companies. You guys are awesome.
Being a Micro Center employee in Marietta GA, I completely agree. Lately, it has been more complicated to find the right components for customers wanting to build a new computer. CPU's and motherboards are the main components that make this difficult. Not to mention ATX 3.0 PSU's coming with or without the 600 watt direct cable variant for 40 series GPU's. I love the stuff that is coming out but its only adding more to the confusion of "what do I go with for a new system" like you mentioned.
Jay's community service!
Super valid information as usual!
I for example recently upgraded from R5 2600 to R7 5700x.
I am using a B450 motherboard so going 5800 or 5900 wouldn't be a great idea probably.
Also I realize that the R5 5600 would have gotten me about 98% of the performance for gaming but the price difference was small and I play around with virtualization so I can appreciate the extra cores.
With that being said, it took me a week or so researching to make sure this is the proper way for me to go.
When you put the new sockets in the equation is becomes Hell!
I am really sad for people that are not technical because, a lot of them will end up paying a hefty premium for stuff that they don't use, but I guess that is marketing.
Anyway, at least with the competition we get some pretty great CPU-s for not a whole lot of money!
Yeah my 5900x is a beast (does all my 3d renders & anything else i throw at it) I am happy how it is, very keen to see how things go in the future for these x3d CPU's.
I’m looking to build my first ever gaming rig and holy cheese balls is it confusing on what to get. Been doing a lot of research and this video just helped big time! Thank you!
Was getting hooked into going for "future-proofing" but thinking about it, my ryzen 5 3600, b450 mobo, and rtx 3070 is enough for my maxed 1440p gaming. I just keep telling myself, "you have enough... you are good!"
Thank you Jay for the explanation. It's a headache to choose to upgrade nowadays, but competition is sooooo good now. It's crazy also figuring out the bottlenecking stuff between GPU and CPU.
Smillar spec, but i've 1080p gaming monitor.
I think all these cpu's will be brilliant when it comes to a year or two down the line. Upgrading will be so much fun with 'cheaper' prices and so many options
00:00 Exactly my view of the whole thing over the last 5 years regarding PC chips.
It's a shame that we don't have games that are well optimized and use the performance of those graphics and processors.
Dude, I feel the same way. I started really diving into world of PC building about a year ago. Now I'm diving into home labs and I recently got a promotion at work (that I am DEFINITELY not qualified for) that puts me (mostly) in charge of upgrading the workstation computers from 7 years ago. So not only do I get to deal with "Which gaming CPU do I want?", I also deal with "Do I want a server CPU for my NAS?", "Which motherboard chipset is best and offers the features I care about?", and "Is it better for us to upgrade to an Intel Xeon e5-2695 v4 or buy new computers with the i5-11500 for five times the price (or more)?". I am DROWNING.
I've been researching building my first computer for a little bit. I remember watching this video previously but didn't really think much about it at this time. Now that I'm ready to pull the trigger, I'm seriously going back and forth on what I want to do. Re-watching this video gave me my answer. I want to use the system for a little of everything. I will probably focus on creator type stuff and start playing with 3D models (CAD type models). I originally was going to go 7950x... but I think now I'm probably going to go with a 7700x due to the GPU landscape.
I think my goal this time around is going to be more of getting a work system going, then figure out what exactly is holding me back. Once I've done that, then as I can afford it and better things come out, I'll upgrade the parts I feel I need to.
If nothing else, this video has led me to believe that if it's your first system, you probably should just choose AMD vs Intel for CPU and AMD vs NVIDA for GPU and just go with entry level, best value for parts, until you personally understand what it is these parts are doing to your system... unless you have unlimited budget, then he'll go ham!
Just upgraded from a i7 7700 to a AMD 7600(non x). took me about 10hours to make a decision on what cpu/mobo/ram I want to buy to fit with me 7900xtx. I understand what you're saying with this many option to choose
Thank you for this Video Jay!
This confusion is one of the reasons I haven't upgraded my system yet, still running a i9-9900k and a gtx 1080ti and it's totally fine for most games at 1440p and even some video editing.
I initially wanted to build a new pc with a 4090, but when I saw the prices of the nvidia gpus that never happened.
So I guess I'm keeping my current system until something breaks down or I can buy a better system at a reasonable price.
Thanks Jay, I find myself shopping at the top like you said.
I know what I'm doing and I find myself comparing and recomparing.
My cart for 4 parts ended up at 2k recently and I found myself making excuses like...well the prices are going up.
Your video was a nice reality check and exactly what I needed. I'd like to upgrade my cooler and your words will help me afford it. Lol
I worked my way up to 7900x and I'm finally realizing that the 7700x is the way to go.
Thanks again for this video, and I really look forward to the motherboard reality check you said is coming next.
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We feel you Jayz. We feel you.
To make things easier, I usually choose the motherboard first. How many processors it can support for future upgrade which won't break the bank account; how many NVMe drives it can support; how many slots of ram did it have (preferably 4); what graphic card that can take advantages on it's designs and features. And then just compare the prices with similar specs for different brand. Afterward, just search reviews on how the board performs and did it have any weakness like manufacturers faulty design or what's not.
I would say that a mobo is just as a comitment as a CPU. Since architectures are constantly changing you might as well get a good mobo but when time comes to change the CPU just change the board too since it most likely won't be compatible with CPU's that would make sense to upgrade to in a few years.
@@pedrosilvamusician Of course, to support the ever developing software especially games, one need to upgrade from time to time. Whilst the architecture keep changing to support the overwhelming need of a resource from the software usage, people with restricted budget in mind do not immediately upgrade everything they have. People like me would look into used market to get things at quarter of a price to upgrade and still can manage to run the software that I want. I usually wait for the games prices to go down around 2-3 years before I bought them at discounts. By then also I would easily buy the upgrades I need to support them.
Thank you so much for putting things into perspective. There is too much choice and confusing. Great video, again thank you.
Thank you so much Mr. Jay. My z270m motherboard blow up so i've been looking for options to buy a new MB and CPU, i felt really overwhelmed for all the brands saying they are superior in certain points but you say a lot of truth in your video, this help me a lot!
Well, after Hardware Unboxed's review, I'm pretty locked onto the 7800X3D as the heart of my new build.
If only I could get my hands on one. You guys have it so good in the US. Never take it for granted. 👍
I try to tell people this all of the time
I just bought one, but apparently i'll get it sometime next week
yeah that shit looks pretty damn tidy
I'm about to go from old to modern and looking at the 7950X3D.
Or get a i9 13900kf, if u r outside the US it could be the same price
I got myself an order in for a 7800X3D. With that efficiency and the insane gaming performance while being more than enough for my hobbyist production stuff sold me on it.
I plan to keep the system I'm building right now running for quite a while with maybe a GPU upgrade in 2-3 gens and if necessary some more RAM.
Part selection was hard but I'm really happy now. 😁
Finally a comment of someone who also got last gen cpu instead of all the comments about previous gen picks 😂 just ordered my 7800X3D as well and hope to use it another 8 years! Do i really need the full capacity it offers it at this point? Probably not, but it surely won't hurt in the future :) and i like the fact that we can get the pcie5 ssd's and GPUs 🚀
more ram after a few years might be a problem atleast if you want the exact same stuff, obvisously not a problem if you swap everything out
@@lassenlautta I'm aware. But if I did such an upgrade I'd swap the old sticks for new ones. With time lower latency kits with higher transfer rates should land on the QVL list so I'd go for one of these kits then.
Love your videos Jay and Team. thx guys. Its crazy I have three kids about the exact same ages. Similar life circumstances. Hang in there
That ending! 😂 Best to you and yours, Jay.
As a PC builder things began to get confusing for me when you were able to build computers with either DDR4 ram or DDR5 ram, its not that bad but its an entire other variable to consider as well. When I first started i was also confused about the different between windows 10 and windows 10 pro or home.
Windows version don't matter. HOW ARE YOU CONFUSED BY DDR5
it's no different then when it changed from ddr3 to ddr4
Your not a PC builder. Your a kid who obviously needed a hell of a lot of assistance just to build one.
@@ricksanchez7250 you're*
5800x3d is probably the best value on the market, with some good B550 boards falling under $200 now. It's still a top tier gaming cpu-- not as great for any productivity, but if your primary task is gaming, it's still right up there.
I enjoy the rants. They tend to get to the meat of things while letting us know how it is on the other side.
I am looking to build a new system soon and although I have a lot of knowledge on building pc's I also found myself stumped when trying to find a motherboard. It's absolutely insane how many models ASUS alone are making and the price differences are also quite insane from entry to top tier.
I can luckily wait a little longer to do some more research since theres no way I'm paying for a current gen GPU at the prices they are at where I live.
More options in this case are certainly not better, it just makes it all more convoluted and adds more work for reviewers and customers alike.
i am so glad i waited for the 7800x3d, i knew why AMD was doing this, launching it so late. going from a 3900x to this will be crazy, ppl report a gaming load from around 40-50watts on the 7800x3d. this is insane
Same, I upgraded from a 8700k and 1070 to a 7800x3d and 7900xtx. I've yet to see my 7800 go above 30 watts during any game. The 7900xtx on the other hand.. 400watts at full load, slightly undervolted at normal clock speeds. I've only got a 750watt psu so the 7800 drawing basically nothing is perfect considering the 7900xtx is a bit of a power hog.
Really feel like I hit the sweet spot in terms of the right time to upgrade. Didn't get scalped at all, paid msrp, and even had rebates and free games thrown in.
@@beeman4266I’m upgrading my 9700K to the 7800X3D, I’m not sure which GPU to pair it with
I’d go for the 7900XTX if the power usage and temperature were better.
Jay, I always enjoy your videos. Been watching since.. I don't even remember now. Best wishes
I literally had this problem a day ago and Jayz already has a video posted about it, insane.
This issue is real. It took me 3 weeks to select my new CPU, and I was only picking between AM5 CPUs.
Thanks for all your coverage of AM5 over the last year, it was invaluable. I picked a Ryzen 7 7700, went with the non-X because power bills are real rough where I'm at and the system doesn't draw much more than the FM2+ system it's replacing. I'm sure that when the RX6750XT comes in to replace the GTX660 that will change by about 100 watts.
Yep same here! I nearly bought a 7900x3d for a brand new custom build. Ended up going with the 13600kf and 4080 when I actually realised I only really play games. But when picking the 13600kf on the builder it was "only" a little more for the 13700kf then "only" a bit more for the 13900k. Then I just sat back and thought do I really want a the extra power consumption and would I "really" notice the difference.
Its a very hard choice to pick these days
The low power is why I went with a Ryzen 5 7600 for my wife's PC I am building. I would have went with the 7700 if it were a bit lower priced. My wife does not need that much power though, so the 7600 is fine. I also went with an MSI-PRO-B650M-A-WIFI board, because I like it features for the price, and I got it for a good price. One thing I looked at for any motherboard is how many fan connectors it has. The B650M I bought has 3 sys fan headers, and a water-pump fan header, so I can connect 4 fan like I want to. I will have to intake in the front, and rear exhaust, and a side exhaust. Perfect for the case I am using. I have an older MSI full ATX board in my PC with a 5900X, and that board has 6 sys fan headers and a pump fan header. I use the pump fan header on that one for the 2nd cpu fan on my dual fan Noctua cooler.
I'm always confused since there isn't a masterlist from the manufacturer itself that explains and breaks down all the differences between the CPUs. I need golden retrievers level language to explain it to me
Totally agree! Thanks for raising this up.
I've had my previous PC for 10 years.
Now the time has come to get a new one and it's chore to pick CPU+MB+RAM+SSD+Case. The number of options combination when you factor everything in is easily in the millions range...
I'm not having as much fun as I used to have, quite frankly...
It reminds me of an amazing book : The Paradox of Choice, by Barry Schwartz.
He also did a great TED Talk.
Must read, must watch...
My problem is with people or youtubers saying all you need is i3 for gaming. It might do okay for esport tittles at 1080p but not for 144op.
Hugely applaud your attempt at shaving down confusion here. What I would've appreciated even more would be some figures or tables with the different CPU's in them to get the actual overview. Probably just a question of personal preference, but anyway - just some feedback.
I'm still on my 6700k and a 2080Ti running sim racing 3x 1920x1200, so your take on older tier hardware is bang on 👍🏻
Hope all is well and you'll get better. Best to you and your family.
I just built my very first PC and picking a CPU was a real struggle for me. I know I didn't pick the best one, but it will work for me for now. It was a budget build and I am new to gaming. I went in knowing I would upgrade in the future.
the thing with computter parts is everything is "old" in about 6 months. CPU and GPU manufacturers exploit a lot of FOMO and its kind of disgusting. enjoy your system, building your own PC is honestly the best feeling ever, keep it up!
I would say pick your resolution and fps target and don't worry
You don’t need the best one. Just the one that gives you what you need.
When I do a build I narrow it down with a set budget and look at what's available here in Canada. Our prices are higher than the US for example I saw a 5800x3d selling for $459. I'm currently running a 5600x, Aorus Master, and a 3080. So the 5800x3d will likely be my only upgrade this time around.
5800x3d should go down in price when the new 7800X3d get in stock.
I'm in Canada as well. Don't look at Newegg pricing unless you want a good laugh. It's all out to lunch on 5000 series. $600 for a 5800X😂
@@olandersnake I stopped shopping there years ago! Amazon, Memory Express and Canada Computers is where I go!
Well depends how often you upgrade your pc. I build my Pc for atleast 5+ years and if i take in count the price of AM5 and how young that platform is (means more issues) it makes more sense to go top line AM4 build wich can hold for more then 5+ years with no issues. I just build my new rig month ago and i took 5800x3D with RX 7900 XTX (The previous PC was ryzen 5 5600x and GTX 1070 ) and im happy.
It's so good man. The 5800x3d is boss af.
I’m definitely going through this right now for my daughters first build and my upgrade
Feel better Jay and family.
I’m happy with my 5950x but I wouldn’t mind the 7800x3D in another rig that can be used for strictly gaming.
I don't think the F variant has QuickSync either since there's no iGPU. That might matter to some people if they are doing video encoding.
That's correct. I hated myself for buying a 10400f when that build was repurposed into a server.. so I had an excuse to buy a gpu too, for media server encoding
We All Love you Jay stay Healthy , There are way to many choices, I miss the old days and getting my intel I7 it was Easy, For me the motherboards and Memory is even Worse
Perfect .... thank you!!!
I am hoping AMD comes out either this gen or next gen with a CPU with a full iGPU in it, would be great for a small form factor with low power draw.
Ddr5 speed coupled with maybe 12 rdna3 cores would be plenty for most people. Anyone that primarily plays sims like me would get a great experience.
Well hope all health issue get resolved soon. Wish you and the wife. All the best.
Thx Jay I have redone my current system Got me motivated. Just a i7 7700k and 2080FE with Z270 Killer SLI.
Loved the ending of the video. Also glad to hear even CZcamsrs can sometimes get fed up with their job :D Jokes aside, what CPU would you recommend for 7900 XTX from AMD? I have been thinking about 7600 but I'm wondering is it going to be a bottle neck for a 7900 XTX as it is close to 4080 in performance? I noticed in benchmarks there are big differences with the CPU performance but all those benchmarks are done with a 4090 and when you go higher in resolution the less of a difference there is in performance.
I feel like as long as you have any mid range processor from the last 5 years you should be fine. If you have a high-end CPU, you can squeeze a couple more years out of it with an overclock or close the gap with quad channel ram for HEDT.
Agreed. Somebody who bought 9900k or 3700x could squeeze 3-4 yrs of use from them. And directly switch to next motherboard platform by Amd and Intel
@@siddheshsharma2560 CPUs last a while these days! Buddy of mine just last month finally upgraded from his Phenom II X4 and he'll probably keep the 13600k he got for another 5 years or more.
So should i retire my intel 7700k and upgrade? Lol
Im on a 4 core laptop w 8gb ram doing video editing
@@samuraiBSD yupp. I am still using my 8700k and perfectly fine with it and I am not looking for a update anytime soon .