Why I switched back to Intel...
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- Wondering why i switched back to intel? Let's talk about it.
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7800x3D with Gigabyte b650 elite, gskill 6000 ram and 4090, been stable, no bluescreens, no slow startups. PBO on -30 and it's been good. It was my first build since owning a 4790k so was kind of nervous about not making any mistakes but thank God its been working great.
Yeah I myself have a 7950x3d build. Been stable with 6000 ram since day one. Really don’t know what Jay’s issue is but there’s no way in hell you give up the best gaming cpu and go for power hungry intel.
rip
He should have tested that system with other brand ram modules.
@@MustafaGT the issue is that Jay simply loves Intel and that's it. No other excuse or whatever - not sure why not just say it straightforward, same as he builds everything on GeForce cards. It's fine to be brand-fan and stick to it as long as it's good, but just damn admit it...
@@utawamaruI mean its clear that nvidia has better gpus so its okay.
As a 7900X user, I just don’t have the issues with Windows like Jay and others say they have.
Windows has fixed many of the AMD issues they had on Win11 early on. So I'm not sure how they're having issues.
"experiences will vary" - comes to mind.
You will soon enough 😂😂😂
Agreed, excuses are fine. Or just say hey I prefer Intel. I don't know what these problems reported are...
I’ve built 2 PCs for my friend over these past 4 years. One with a 3700x and 5700x. Never had an issue
Intel still better
I had similar issues very early on with a 7950X, and it seemed like memory stability as well. Fast forward a week of debugging and I decided to disable the CPU's onboard AMD graphics in the device manager. I never had a memory issue again.
I've had endless issues since I built my R9 a few weeks ago, very similar to everything Jay is laying out here. I just turned switched off the integrated system, I'll report back here if it ends up helping!
@@daldladladid it?
did it @@daldladla
@@huntermckinney5239No. Can't turn on EXPO with stability, Windows 11 current update cannot install, white static led on Asus motherboard occasionally comes on indicating an issue with GPU connection (i've reset it, it's secure.) All of this since I updated the bios - shoulda kept it factory like I always have lol. Considering just returning the board to Microcenter and seeing how another one pans out. As long as I keep HDR off the video is stable. Anyways thanks for checking back in. The joys of PC ownership.
@@daldladlaany updates at this moment
That sucks to hear that you had so many issues with your system. I picked up my 7800x3d during the voltage issues and was worried because I’d picked out an Asus board along with it. But I must’ve been lucky because I haven’t had any issues with it all so far, PBO and ram set at 6000 too. It’s run like a top for me, but hopefully you have better luck on your new set up!
95% of people didn't have issues with ASUS boards. So, it's more like, you need to be extremely unlucky to have that issue.
That makes me feel much better (I'm thinking of getting a 7800X3D).
Im still on am4 5900x its been such a great cpu and i will upgrade to the 8900x when it comes out next year. Getting first gen am5 was brave for anybody who did it but i thank them.
Thanks for all the likes and comments.
I’ve got the same cpu and it’s awesome.
same! paired mine with a 4080 from MSI. there's nothing I can throw at it to really make it show it's 'age'.
My plan is to get a 7600x or 7700x and then use the AM5 platform for architectural upgrades when they change how CCD optimisation works for the next Zen products. Switching to LGA and pushing 3D Vcache to higher clocks and cores is just flying too close to the sun right now.
@@heyitsterry The only thing I can think of, other than benchmarks, in gaming maybe cities skylines 2, or the next battlefield.
Same plan! I will get next AMD with 5000 series Nvidia.
At our repair shop, we've seen a small handful of X3D systems come in with RAM instability, too. The solutions varied by computer. One had a dead CMOS bettery which resulted in the BIOS resetting every time he turned off his PC, and the stock BIOS setting kept enabling XMP at a speed the CPU absolutely hated; fixed with new CMOS battery and proper settings. Another had RAM that wasn't white-listed for the number of sticks (x4); the timings were off from other sticks on the white list; switched with "compatible" RAM, set XMP to supported speed, and it stabilized. Another refused to dual-channel with XMP turned on; updated BIOS and set RAM clocks to a speed listed on the mobo specs. On and on and on. We routinely refer to AMD CPUs, GPUs, and MOBOs as "fussy" and "finicky" because the tinkering seems to never end. Edit: "Instability" varied from failing Memtest to BSODs to hard shut offs during benchmarks.
The only times I ever had problems like that with RAM was when there were bent CPU pins but obviously the pins aren't bent in every one of these cases so I wonder what the CPU is doing to cause these errors, I wonder if it's the unrefined hardware or lack of software that will behave properly with the hardware it could be because of the goofy ass architecture AMD came up with too it sounds cool but doesn't seem like it's very reliable, might be fixed in future revisions
iv never had ram not work that was not on a qvl. but i dont buy low end ram. and i tune manualy and im good at it. ddr5 has voltage problems if your not in the small window for the voltage it wants it won't run. ddr4 has a bigger window for voltage and easy to get right on an xmp. first gen ram aka this first run of ddr5 will get better as they find a better pcb layout.
So, user incompetence 99% of the time. Never had a problem when actually finding out what parts everyone recommends in their own manuals. Its so fkn hard to read, isnt it.
My new AMD system is kicking ass, really stable and fast, even though my CPU is non x3d its the 7900, I put that in for a power efficient build.
"Fussy" and "finicky" are weird descriptors when users are failing to read their motherboard's QVL RAM compatibility.
We know DDR5 is weird with 2< RAM sticks, even on Intel.
Mirroring the other suggestions, I'd also be interested in doing some troubleshooting with the old set up to see if the issues were caused by the 7950X3D, the ram, the motherboard, or some weird combination of the 3. As mentioned Asus has had issues with memory on their motherboards, but that seems less likely to address the software optimization of the CCD selection dependent on workloads.
This reminds me of when i had issues with my 10980xe pc at home i have 4x32gb sticks of 3600MTs ram which is overclocked to 3800MTs and was running perfectly for a few weeks.
Then i started getting random blue screen and initially thought my cpu oc was unstable but that didn't fix it and lowering the memory speed to 3733MTs seemed to fix it then the blue screen started again so i lowered it further and it seemed to help and i ended up loeering my ram speed all the way to 3400MTs and then i finally figured out it was actually corsair icue crashing my pc all along as I'd somply selected the software and hit to delete and i assumed it was deleted but all of the driver Dll files remained without the othrr necessary files causing my pc to randomly crash but it it didn't mention icue or anything in the windows error log and the error code it gave was most commonly because of an unstable overclock anyways once i figured that out and disabled icue in services.msn and deleted the remaining files my pc stopped blue screening and i was able to put my memory speed back to 3800MTs without issue.
I knoe you probably don't care about my little story it just shows that sometimes issues cam be what you least expect like in jays case it probably is memory but there's a good chance that it is something else entirely if dropping memory speed doesn't seem to really help.
How did you figure that it was iCue? Did you see it running on task manager or something? @oliverboi
@joebourgoin6554 i noticed that the same DLL was running right before it crashed by looking at the windows logs shortly before the fatal crash errors
Did you read the crash dump file to see what could be happening?
Kinda same problems I had to dealt with my 7800x3d, but I set BIOS to default and I don't get boot loops and blue screens anymore. Interesting to see this video from you and getting feedback or informations that these problems are on AMD's side not that I did something wrong.
annnnd... I am getting constant freezes at Idling with my 5800x. Never had any issues with Intel before. I had to tweak a bunch of numbers to let it stop freezing at idle and man the debugging process was painful af because it happens randomly and there's no logging whatsoever because the system suddenly dies. Thinking about going back to Intel honestly.
thats why i switched back to intel
No no if you switch, you are just an Intel fanboy!!
SAME. Everyone online is just saying AMD is God and it's my fault and now I'm glad I know it isn't just me. I'm just gonna stay with my old PC where bootup or crashes are something I never even had to think about and wait to see if the next gen fixes things
@@rh666 I had this problem on my Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master w9ith a 5900x...... I would assume the gigabyte software and windows update would keep all relevant drivers for my mobo up to date.... and I was wrong. Way wrong. Went to Gigabytes website and manually downloaded all the drivers for my system, installed them manually, and all the rarndom "freez while idle" problems went away
Memory Issues are a PITA . Please continue to use both platforms and let us know what is the best overall. Stability is more important when your rig is a daily driver not just a drag racer.
I have had nothing but problems with my 7950X3D. I ended up RMA'ing 2 of them (both of the main machines in the house)and was issued a refund by AMD for both. I replaced them with 7800X3D. No regrets. The stability has been night and day difference between the 2. I finally have some confidence in the brand again.
AMD is lucky you still are their customer tbf@@th3count
Wtf is a PITA
@@Nevsack63True
@@Nevsack63 pain in the ass
Bought a 7800X3D with a 4090 after your "Thread Controller" comments earlier in the year. Absolutely rock solid and fantastic for work and gaming. Side benefit, it all went in a Fractal Torrent Compact so it's small and quiet to boot.
7800X3D is the best CPU for gaming.
@@musclecargarage2875 That's been my experience as well. Got a 7800x3d and a 4090 and it crushes everything I throw at it. I also have had an RAM issues like some people. I have in the past, though, so I think some of it is luck-of-the-draw.
same system, same experience; rock solid performance
@@Av3nger89 No it doesn't. It gets 18K R23 scores. That's quad core numbers......
@@kramnull8962 It's slower than higher core count CPUs but what quad core gets 18k in R23? It's ok to not like AMD CPUs but it isn't ok to be disingenuous.
I did experience similar issues with my first 7950 x3d, bestbuy took it without issue as defective and the replacement is stellar! High performance, multitasking and gaming monster gaming...... Running EXPO 6400 zero crashes or boot issues.
Yeah, my i9 14900k is running 7000 M/T DDR5 64 GB rock solid sturdy and stable.
I just built a 14900k z790 setup last night and went with 32gb ddr5 (so I can OC to 8000M/T). Debating switching to 64gb @ 7000M/T. Took 3 days to do the custom loop. Epic insane system!
@@halflife82 ive heard that the 14900k draws a lot of power and can get hot has this happen to yours?
@@halflife82 Custom cooling? Sounds like you have a kickass PC there. I got my RAM up to 7200 now, but I bought this Corsair Dominator Titanium. This RAM was not cheap at all. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I over spent. 2 32GB sticks of this Dominator Titanium was $400, but it has no ceiling. I have been able to overclock it at will. It is great RAM.
@@jameysummers1577 does your games crash with that high memory speed? Also thinking of upgrading to 7200 mhz
@@chrisnieto3620 so, I don’t know. I was worried about crashing so I dropped it back down to 7000. So I haven’t found that out at 7200. it is stable at 7000 and I’m happy with that. I figured the extra 200 wouldn’t make much of a difference so I dropped it back to 7000.
I've been using AM5 since launch, running HyperX EXPO 6000mhz, started out with 7700x on release, then moved to 7900x 3D when it dropped, and now on 7800X 3D... besides the usual longer post times, the system is solid as a rock!
You must be super rich to be able to do that, jeez! 😂
Thanks for sharing. Good to hear people that are not in it for the views had a good experience.
@@Otto45 Depending on the country, you can afford this kind of setup easily with median income. It is not like a car or a house.
Owning a couple computer stores gives me the advantage lol
i had issues with my 7700x system, but after updating BIOS a bunch of times is working fine. That being said it isnt as hassle free as my old intel 7700k.
@JayzTwoCents Now that the AMD system is torn down, I would love to see you try the CPU and Memory in different motherboards and see if you have any different results. Or do the issues with the memory continue to plague the system. If that is the case, then would another brand of the same speed memory change the outcome. I have always loved trouble shooting these types of issues. Perhaps a Colab with Gamers Nexus with the system components being tested by them is in order?
If it's silicon lottery losses, it's not gonna matter what they go in. If it's BIOS related, well, good luck.
@@OutLanderUSNSilicone lottery wouldn’t affect this because he’s running at the manufacturer’s rated specs. Silicone lottery would be affecting overclocked systems or timings tweaked beyond what the manufacturer rated them for.
@@Poketroid23 My take on the OP here was a suggestion to try putting the CPU and RAM in different motherboards and try overclocking, as the crux of Jay's issues are that activating the XMP/EXPO/DOCP profiles don't work properly. Which could either be a loss at the silicon lottery or a bad BIOS/mobo.
I would have changed the memories before the cpu, I had memory issues with both cpu brands it's not like it's exclusive to amd
@@DarkP1 The IMC's on AMD's cpu's can barely over clock compared to intel's. The max mhz support it far below what Intel has. For AMD to be the original pioneered of the "integrated memory controller" they've neglected for so long now to the point where it is a liability for their own cpu's now.
There are issues with sleep forcing and then getting stuck on bad memory timings on a lot of different systems but the AM5 stuff really highlights the issue, to the point where some motherboard manufacturers are completely disabling the ability to put the computer to sleep from the bios. You'll likely fix all of your issues completely if you clear CMOS and then either leave the computer running or shut it down rather than sleeping/hibernating it.
I have always said that. Sleep always causes issue no matter the brand of parts inside the case. It has been that way since windows 7.
I have a 7800x3d and it works pretty great, my ram is also 6000MHz specifically the Gskill Trident Z5 with a B650 AX motherboard. The only issue I'm having with it that I didn't have with my previous 3900x is that during shader comps the CPU temps go insane. Normally at 100% it hovers around 80c, but during shader comps I've had it reach as high to 88c. But other than that it has been surprisingly stable and performs extremely well, it almost doubled my fps in some games and almost completely eliminated stutters.
Also If you're not using the integrated GPU on the 7800x3d make sure to disable it in bios.
It has a integrated gpu huh?
Which cooler?
@@undiyos Currently using an NH-D15
@@SekiberiusWelkesh the temps seem a bit close to tjmax at load. Have you used curve optimizer? Mine runs at - 30 curve optimizer stable. Switched to 360mm aio and temps do not cross 80c on full load, that is with the newer bios. The older bios allowed me to drop till - 39 CO and temps did not budge past 72c.
@@undiyos I ended up turning maximum power to 99% and it pretty much never goes above 70c anymore, performance is about the same as well.
I discovered what was causing it, it was the V-Cache, which is apparently normal behavior.
Jay you did hit it right on the nose at the end, that the dual ccd 7900X3D and 7950X3D are 1st gen designs even if the X3D is 2nd gen design. For me, I went with the Asus Crosshair X670E Hero and 7950X3D paired with 64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000 EXPO memory. I had early teething issues, but since have been running rock solid. I have the 7950X3D on a liquid cooled loop with my Red Devil Radeon RX 7900 XTX using a Alphacool block. Temps get no higher than between 76-79 degrees during summer with ambient temps. Bios is ver. 1709
yo Jay it seems to me like the memory stability issue you were running into on am5 was that memory context restore ON but memory power down mode OFF leads to random crashes like you're describing. Leaving both on should make you stable if this is the issue. This is a very common issue for people used to turning off power down mode because it increased stability in ddr4 systems.
For a few months now, I’ve had a 7950X3D, 64gb DDR5-5600, MSI Pro 670-P Motherboard, 2x 2TB NVMe, Gigabyte RTX4090 running Windows 11 Pro.
After hearing all of the memory problems Jay jad, I’m hallucinating to say so far my system has been flawless. When gaming CPU & GPU temps at 65c.
There will always be good and bad experience depending on configuration.
I have had an almost flawless and consistent experience with my 3700x and 5800x3d. On m my Tomahawk Max B450 board I ended up with a CO -15 for a constant 4450mhz under almost all loads, and temps that peak at about 85C with my custom water loop set up for silence. Around 85C core temps I start to see it back down to 4400, occasionally 4350 in the summer.
Overall as happy as I was with my last 4 intel systems.
I have the 5800X3D and it works really well. Stable, good memory stability. But its also end of a platform.
Are the 1% low's any good? I'm thinking of upgrading from the 5600 to 5800x3d
End of a platform is not a bad thing. It means that it's mature technology. Which is why you have such stability in the first place.
Seems like x3d is stable with 5000 series but not yet with the 7000 series
@@levinoppers8151 i upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d and to be honest it's not that much of an upgrade, so just dont waste your money, i mean it still depends on what games you play but still ...
Lets be honest, its going to be good for a fair few more years to come unless you are going bleeding edge with GPU, and throw in the growing support for handheld PC's with much weaker CPU and GPU performance, and I am betting you will be fine for in the very least, until the next console gen and even then it won't be that bad.
AMD 5950x | ASUS Strix B550F Gamming | DDR4 Kingston Fury | Gygabyte RTX 3090 | NVME Samsung | Running for couple of years 100% stable and powerfull. I think I can have this computer for another two years and still be powerfull enough for Production and Personal Use.
I've been using a 7900X non 3D without any issues for a while now. EXPO with 6000MHz in the BIOS is working fine. I have managed to get an offfset on curve optimizer that is rock solid and gives me pretty insane scores on 10 minute Cinebench R23 runs. I have memtested the rig also and it really has been flawess. No BSOD no nothing. My rig works rock solid, so I am happy with it. Oh and the CPU cooler is an AIO 360. So this is my experience with a non 3D AMD chip.
What mobo and ram are you running in this rig?!
@@jarls5890 MSI MAG B650 Carbon WiFi and Kingston Fury Beast KF560C36BBEAK2-32
32GB (16GB 2G x 64-Bit x 2 pcs.)
DDR5-6000 CL36 288-Pin DIMM Kit
I feel like this could be me saying exactly the same thing, I've had the same problems as you Jay with a pretty much identical setup since April. The original bios fried my 1st cpu, I'm on my 2nd one now with the latest bios limiting soc and I'm using process lasso to handle the cores for gaming. I have spent so much time tweaking stuff to get it stable so I can use my pc every day. I have it dialed in right now but I'm constantly on edge with it, I have become a pc hypochondriac, every little temp spike makes me think it's going to crash again which isn't great but I'm stuck with it now.
I had the exact same issues as you described. Clocking memory back, then eventually running stock. The only thing that fixed it. Was swapping out the CPU. The "bad" CPU for me was the 5800x. Buying a 5800x3d fixed the issue. So i don't think it's down to the 3d V cache. It's probably quality control issue with AMDs memory controllers.
Tbf, I had a 12900k that had the same issue, once I upgraded to a 13900k I could actually get the advertised speeds. I don't think that this is just an AMD issue.
When did you buy your 5800x? Aka, is it an earlier model? I've seen and heard a lot of issues with AMD and ram when the AM5 platform was first released. In August, I upgraded to a 7800x3d, 7900xt, and 32gb 6000mhz, and experienced virtually no issues. However, I'm not doing extensive technical stuff like streaming, video encoding, and everything is air cooled and not overclocked.
I mainly ask because it seems a lot of youtubers and early adopters seem to still be having issues, while new adopters don't. Sometimes small QA changes can have big impacts, like a different pcb supplier, or extra support somewhere, or adding an extra .01% nickel to your alloy.
SAME! I purchased a 5800X back in January of 2022 and I would just have random restarts where the system would just literally black screen and well... restart... changed RAM, Mobo, PSU and still same problem until I finally decided it might be the CPU. January of this year I purchased the 5800X3D and bam, no more random restarting... A wild problem that I never really expected to be a problem.
early stepping 5800x i take it?
my launch 5800x was garbage. could barely do 5.7ghz static at like 1.35v
the best clocking 8c16t Zen 3 i've ever had was actually a 5700x that did 5.05 - 5.075ghz PBO/CO on the two best cores and 4.85ghz static at 1.31v
I had a 5900x runing with a 3600 mhz 32gig kit that was specifically tuned for ryzen. I had zero issue runing DOCP for 2 years. Now, i have a 7600 with a 32gig kit at 6000mhz. I had one issue with the OC. It started to bluescreen on me. I just clear cmos and redo the OC and now it works like previously. Biosses are poop. If you change things left and right, especially if you use ryzen master, some settings will be bugged and you have to clear cmos.
I'm about 2-3 weeks into my first AM5 build. A 7950x w/ 64Gb of Dominator Platinum and a 7900 XTX GPU. Considered for a bit to grab the 7950x3D and i'm kinda glad I didn't after watching this video. That said i'm super curious to see how the next weeks and months come as I ramp up my use on this new build (still use the old system some). So far everything is stable, no crashes or blue screens. Literally just installed and started going so everything is just set to the out-of-the-box settings at the moment. So far i'm pleased and really enjoy it all; definitely a good experience as i've typically been an Intel guy.
Thanks for the video Jay (and team). I hope you are doing well. :)
any update or changes on the new AMD build? I've read comments on stability issues or microstuttering problems with the 7800x3d.
Im useing the 7950x3d since March with 6000 cl30 corsair ram and useing curve optimizer and it works with 0 crashes, no bluescreen and fast boots. Ive always used intel cpus before and im currently kinda happy with the amd cpu.
what motherboard are you using?
@@coke4274 sorry for the super late response im
Useing the gigabyte x670e aorus master
I would appreciate it if you could tell me which motherboard and RAM you are using.
@@Aolzarin Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB(2x16) 6000MT/s CL30
It's spelled "using".
Been running a 7900x non 3D with 6,000 cl36 since November 2022. Some initial teething issues getting it booted and stable, but every BIOS update has only made it more stable. No issues for a long time here, couldn't be happier with the overall performance.
I second this, been on AM5 from 2nd week of launch so practically a year, I get memory trainings for about 2 minutes once a month on random but that is it!!!
I just built a 7900x/7800xt system with 64 GB of 6000 and I love it
yup, my experience. 7900 non-x is incredibly efficient and i love not battling with power issues and bios updates because it is on a budget workstation/server. i need it up all the time and on a budget.
i would opt for 7800x3d over 7900x3d any day. single ccd with v-cache is better then 2 ccd where only one has v-cache.
I have to agree, i've had no issues with my 6000m/t kit since launch. Due to the 1.3v issues, i haven't upgraded my bios since initial set up.
7700x here coming from 10700k. First amd cpu and the experience was amazing. I really like it.
It's actually really interesting to hear this. I'm currently running the 7800X3D on an ASRock X670E Steel Legend with G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO and AMD EXPO, and besides of memory training every time I update the BIOS (which makes sense) I had zero real issues. But I guess I'm just lucky and I have a good MOBO manufacturer.
ASRock used to be the bottom of all jokes as the quality was pathetic and only the people on very thight budget would touch them.
That was until they got a new CEO who turned them around and they have been pumping good stuff.
Asus used to be the king be the last couple of years , they are heding str8 down to where ASRock used to be.
Funny enaugh AMD had the same story , before Lisa S took over as CEO they ware heading down to bancrupcy and a rummer was that intel was going to goble them (the years when Intel had no competition).
You shouldnt have any of Jays issues as your 7800X3D only uses one CCD and no parking is required.
I've got exacly the same cpu and mobo and no problems at all too. I have even pushed my ram at 6200.
7800X3D with an ASRock X670E pg lightning, corsair 6000mhz 32CL RAM (which probably has some issues itself) I needed to put my RAM at 5400-5600 for the longest time because every few weeks it wouldn't boot anymore or my games would get "corrupt install file" errors when updating, now after a bios update for RAM I can run it on 5800mhz and have done so for the last couple of months without issue, still can't hit 6000mhz and when I do a memtest it has a few errors sadly but I blame that on faulty RAM, and at this point it isn't an issue yet so I'll just keep trucking.(can't afford to be without a pc for 2-3 weeks for them to RMA it)
I got a Gigabyte B650 AX and 7800x3d for a while now, not using EXPO but I had no issues at all for now. It is rocking. btw what are your temps? Mine stays on 30-40 idle and goes up to 60-70 on some loads, is yours ok?
I also switched from Ryzen to Intel recently, when 12th gen came out. Biggest driver for me was I/O; the Intel platform had more bandwidth to the PCH (so, less contention) and more lanes available on the PCH and this fit my needs more than what AMD was doing at the time.
AM5 will have more support than intels mobos
GIve me a real scenario where you had gains from that setup. One. I dare you. I double dare you mofo.
@@slickysan Right? And it has 20+ upvotes?! LOL. What on earth is this guy doing that he feels he's anywhere near saturating it? Seriously, what workload on what hardware that's even close to half of it? Sounds like another case of "I want more because someone told me theoretically there's more headroom on PCIE 5, despite even the newest hardware being unable of saturating the *previous* gen". ;)
@@VeritasEtAequitas Indeed lmao. I'm still waiting for that scenario, but the guy bailed. He specifically mentioned "his needs" :)))))
@@slickysanBailed? He probably has not even read your commentS
My Taichi X670e was faultless after the 3rd bios release, it had minor stability issues with a 4090 that would reset the system when starting from cold, Asrock fixed it quick with a bios update.
No other issues with a 7950x and gskills 6000mhz expo. Rapid rig 👍🏼
5800x3d, absolutely amazing. Initially had some RAM stability, but Gigabyte 550b mobo firmware patches fixed it rather quickly and now RAM also runs at intended speeds. At the beginning one thing that got me spooked was how quickly it jumped to Tmax, practically instantaneously, no matter the clock or voltage. But was stable and almost doesn't throttle down during summer. I considered the super slight throttle-down an ok tradeoff. Having a Noctua NH-D15 with double fans and an open box btw.
Dude! I was exactly the same... like crapped myself the 1st time as it was sooo quick, like you say instantaneous! ...I'd used decent thermal paste, and a dual 120mm fan Thermalright Peerless Assassin. I updated to latest BIOS, and set the RAM settings manually, and it seems okay... I only get the occasional BSOD and that was when I've been in Microsoft Flight Simulator which would make anything but Threadripper with 4090 cry
I found it's sensitive to fan settings, though mainly more the fans ramping quickly until I set a delay in BIOS. Never had an issue with them getting to the max temperatures though (that's 90C or something?). Curve Optimiser is your friend here (there's the PBO2 tool which lets you do this on X3D), found that I had stability just using someone else's modest settings to achieve -30 on all cores (you're generally not supposed to just use other people's settings, but it was stable so whatever) and a sizeable reduction in power/temps while actually gaining a sliver more performance. Even if you can't quite manage that, it can at least let you lower those temps down to give yourself more headroom.
I had the same thing and undervolted in BIOS and now I have a stable under 50C while playing Cyberpunk at High to Ultra settings.
@@GrandHighGamer Thanks for sharing, wasn't aware of the PB02 tool... I'll give it a go"
what does issues with ram stability look like?
Once I got everything up and running and installed the proper drivers, I haven't had any issues. I am running 2 sticks of 32GB at 6000 mhz without problems, and really have only played AAA titles, so I can't say how well the core parking works in other cases. It does run a bit hotter than I am used to at idle because of the thick IHS but otherwise I've been pretty happy.
I don't have any issues, but I have the 7800X3D, so it doesn't need to park cores or make use of Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications. The chiplet with the extra cache is always running.
Running 7900X3D combined with the 7900XTX. This was my only AMD build in about 15 years, so far IT'S A BEAST. I don't "abuse" my PC as much as I used to so I haven't had any problems yet, gonna bookmark this for my records and will UPDATE IT IF I RUN INTO ANY PROBLEMS.
Do the problems talked about here (with Jay's setup for example) occur only when overclocking? Getting my AMD setup too and got bit worried about these issues. No plans to mess with the system, just run it default, so hopefully it goes problem free.
excactly the setup i want to get. can you share you complete list of specs? i'm curious to what MB you're using, RAM too
AMD is ok for casual gamers, but for streaming+gaming+browsers opened with multipletabs you'll experience stutters ans real 1% frame losses compared to Intel.
Putting almost best consumer PC pieces for "not abusing my PC" -what is wrong with you people.
With a 7800x3d and 4080 rtx you would spend less and gain more with rt and lower consumption
This is my first AMD CPU in 15 years also 🤣😂😂
It is interesting to hear all of this. I've followed a bit of Jayz 7950x3d saga because I went all in on my CPU and got myself a 7950x3d. I was able to run PBO with 4 Dimms at 6400 MHz EXPO. I really wonder if it was a motherboard problem or bad silicon lottery. Sucks to have so many problems. As a newbie to building my own PC I feel a bit like I experienced some dumb luck. Even so, I'll take it lol. I know anyone can say I never had that problem, or I've had that same problem and it doesn't mean much. It's very interesting to say the least.
Small sample size problems, like a sample size of 1.
It's definitely an ASUS problem. Their forums and subreddit have new threads related to this junk every day. It's a shame J2c is so far out of the loop. I mean.. a quick email to Steve would have revealed it.
Same here. MSI ACE, dropped in 6400MHz Kingston 48GBx2 CL32 with 7950X3D, ticked expo/auto and the way it went. Used same ram and cpu for out other system except board was Asrock X670EPG Lightning, it too saw ram 6400MHz and have had zero issues.
@@n3o717 I'm running the MSI x670e Ace as well. Gskill ram with the same timings. 64 gb 6400 mhz, CL32. The thing is I've heard folks say motherboard doesn't matter anymore since the controller is on the CPU. I can't say I know, but I can say that anecdotally I've seen many of these folks rocking Asus boards. *shrug*
I’m running a 7950x3d and I haven’t had the problems you have. It’s been really stable with 6000 cl32. I’m running a 32gb kit at that speed on the crosshair gene. I’m running intel for a laptop Alienware x15 R2. It’s also really stable. I think the final comment makes the most sense, we finally have choice again in the cpu space and that’s good.
I've been on AM5 - 7950x since December 2022. It's been going relatively well. I have great stability running tuned 2x32GB 6200mhz ram (hynix M die). The memory training is definitely longer. I've also had two boards die (Asus chipset died 8 months in or so and the Gigabyte board DOA).
Outside of the memory training I'm quite happy with the performance.
Depending on your timings. Thats really slow memory, wouldnt be surprised if it caused bottlenecks in some games
@@mamamia5668 fortunately the timings are pretty tight. Started with buildzoid am5 standard timings, upped the speed and then worked on the sub timings slightly.
no really, 6000 is AMD prefered overclocked memory, AMD is said so theirself, you can go over 6000, but thats not 1 to 1 anymore for the ram@@mamamia5668
@@mamamia5668 lol no it's not, unless the CL is like 40+
@@joshholmes1372 6200mhz is zzz build man. We need that 7000+ cl 35 and under :)
I built a 7950x3d in March ‘23 for a MSFS “all out” system including a 4090. It took 6 months and 4 or 5 bios updates to get past DDR5 problems. Finally in late August I got a breakthrough in DDR5 expo performance and stability and the system is running MSFS amazingly since then. Not trying to contradict anything Jay is saying. The CPU has its strengths and weaknesses. But it has worked great for me.
which motherboard are you using?
@@coke4274 first 3 months was Asus x670e rog strix. Ended up having a manfacture defect that caused it to shut off randomly. (Psu tested thoroughly good) Asus replaced it without hesitation. But I ended up going with a MSI tomahawk x670e and sold the asus replacement to a friend losing only $100. The MSI has been solid. And friend hasn’t had any problems with the asus.
I feel kinda blessed, 7950x3d Gigabyte X670 board, T-Force 6000mhz ram xmp RX7800XTX and I've not had issues with stability. I don't think i'm getting 100% performance but I went all team red.
Bought my computer with a X370 and Ryzen 1700, upgraded the CPU later to a 3800X, and now I'm thinking of upgrading again to a 5800X3D, if there are any good Black Friday prices on it (before it goes away forever, I assume). The longevity of the first Ryzen platform really cannot be overstated, and the leap you can take in gaming performance, from the 1700 all the way to a 5800X3D, is insane.
I hope AM5 ends up evolving as nicely as AM4 did over time.
Running a 7950x3D since release, and yes it felt a big janky.
But I have now settled, I have completely disabled their filesystem driver thingy so no more core parking, and I manually set the core affinity of *new games once* through ProcessLasso so they run on the correct CCD, and Process Lasso remembers of course.
It's manual work once per new game, but for me it works great!
Also power efficiency can't be beat.
Same here, Process Lasso is a great utility, my system has been stable since I built it and haven't noticed any of the issues Jay has mentioned. I run 64Gb of 6000MHz memery too (G.Skill), not had a single BSOD
@@johndesousa4591 Same here, PC is running rock solid. I am also doing some light Curve Optimizer UV (just -10 on the 3D CCD and -15 on the non-3D) for a tad more thermal and efficiency gains, my RAM is also 6000 with manual agressive CL30 timings (I mostly just yoinked the timings from Buildzoids' 6000 OC video), these timings are more agressive than the standard 6000 CL30 XMP profile.
Last uptime was 45 days straight, had to reboot for a windows update
7800x3d still on top regarding power
@@aziaufa418 That's true, one less CCD to feed power to.
But for people like me who need CPU horsepower during work (Homeoffice, dealing with big datasets and databases to churn through) but still like to game after work, the 7950x3D is the best of both worlds
@@JayanWarden Hi Jayan, which motherboard and Ram did you go with? Thanks
I built my first system this year and I went with the 13th gen intel. So far it's been treating me well.
thats why i stick with intel. intel is always stable. amd, not so much
I also went for an i5-13600kf and I love it
@@jebes909090Intel is having a lot of issues with the 13900k / 14900k (14900k one or two cases so far) with the CPU degrading over time and users having to lower the PCore ratio because it became unstable with the default 55x.
I had a 13900KF and had to RMA it, now after a month I'm having same issues with the replacement.
My 12700k since Nov 21' has been flawless so far.
It’s should be awesome in the winter 🔥🔥🔥!
I've always been intel and never had issues currently on 13 gen ddr4 mother to save money and I love it
Didn't know about the apparently consistent issues of the X3Ds. I remember my first AM5 build, basically as it came out... was a complete nightmare. Didn't last a month, before I went back to Intel.
With time, I ended up trying out AM5 again, with a 7700X. System is maybe 5 months old. Has been working extremely well, with very few quirks. But still... in those 5 months, I think the system decided to retrain memory once or twice out of nowhere. That's it. Other than that, working solidly.
That's a bummer that you've had so many problems with that 7950x3d. My 7800x3d has been rock solid since I bought on launch day. I'll admit, I do hesitate to update the bios just because it is perfectly stable and don't want to screw that up, so my bios is a few months old. The ram is running at 6000 cl 30 with manual timings as well as manually set SOC voltage of 1.2 and a modest -20 CO offset.
Ive had the 7950x3d since july and its bee great for me
Im planning on getting a 7800x3d with 6000 cl 30 RAM too.
Same thing man, had mine a couple months now and running perfectly. Fingers crossed it stays this way. I found prioritising the 3d cache in the bios works wonders and makes sure games are using that CCD
Unless there's some breaking news about a security flaw or double digit percentage performance loss due to a bug, I don't update the BIOS if everything's stable. Why try to fix a wheel when it's not broken, after all?
@@blarghmcblarghson1903 Agreed
I’ve been using my 7800X3D since August and aside from similar hung RAM issues at 6000Mhz, my experience has been great! It is amazing for a lot of the newer intensive games that I play and I hardly ever notice any issues with the exception of the first two minutes of gameplay every other time I start up Resident Evil 4
Strange that this is comes down to the mainboard. I have a 7800x3d CPU as well and a mainboard from Gigabyte (Aorus Master) and run it perfectly on 6000 Mhz. Also some mainboard seem to have loading times up to 30 second to windows. So the memory training take a lot of time. (this also based on mainboard) I dont have that either (10 second max). So when somebody go for amd make sure you pick the right mainboard. And dont pay 1.000 dollar for them... it is just silly.
@@mcrib2499 I think you may be right, and it could also be a batch based issue because I have seen people with my same motherboard achieve a consistent 6000Mhz without any issues
Just purchased a 14900k for a rig I’m planning to be used for mainly video/photo editing. Very worried about the temps but hoping I can tame the beast with the Arctic Freezer iii 360mm. I’ll update once the system is together if people are interested. Planning to build in the Fractal North XL. 👍
Bought a 12700KF. (no support for a Intel video solution. Why do I need it while I have a superieur Nvidia RTX 3060Ti in my system?) Not an i9 but an i7 without any problems. Can handle whit ease your video/photo editing for less money. With modern CPU's temps are not the problem anymore. Got a large cooling fan on top of it. Max is never ever reached like 100 degrees Celsius. (Get some free software to monitor this! Temps are not the issue. Run Cinebench Release 23. That is a piece of software which will take the hell of your CPU and ramping up the temps. Your software? Doesn't in every case. How demanding it looks like. Cinebench is designed to ramp up the temps, voltage and stuff. Your software doesn't.) Your goal; using video/photo editing? The CPU is an absolute overkill. i9-14900k? Too much money. Performance? Some but not a lot against a cheaper i7. Wil take a few seconds of your task. what the difference? None. I hear the sounds also everywhere; Need for speed. Buy our product.... Speed doesn't do anything for you. It comes down to the software you are using. Some are really fast but others are slow in comparison. i7 or an i9? Makes no difference.Won't go so far as saying buy an i5. What you need is max cores. i5 is limited for a reason. Cheaper will do for the main part of the users, Browsing, email etc. Not a lot is going on. video/photo stuff needs a bit more by the design of the software. Not for the CPU. For your purpose was an i7 already more than enough. No need for a i9. So what if it is 2 seconds slower with an i7? Bother it? Listen to their sound.... More... Speed.... Buy.... Will be wonderful. BS. They want more money. Old tech like the 10 year old i7 was already a Highlight. Performance is with a i9 slightly better. What do they want? Users who will play state of the art games. Ha. Company's like AMD and Nvidia also targeting on the subject. Less CPU. More crazy 2048 (and more) GPU cores. If you want superior performance? Choose a product which make use of those GPU cores, More performance than a CPU...... And I am not kidding. A faster CPU won't help. A very good GPU takes it over. Invest in that. Software which makes use of the 2048 core GPU's? Blazing trails.... CPU's are a bit old school. 12 or more cores. Not easy. GPU's? 2048 cores and they keep up raising the numbers each day. At the end of the day? Focus more on your software and the use of a GPU. More speed is there to get. Forget the CPU power. You don't browse or email faster with a fast CPU. Just my 2 cents. GPU power will in the end over class any CPU. Future will be more ridiculous as we thought. New products with AI build in to it. Can predict scenes which we don't have experienced yet. Crazy stuff. Make use of your GPU. More performance with the right software brings you so much more performance than a fast CPU........
I recently had the chance to go latest gen back in August. 7950X3D on an Asrock X670E Steel Legend with 96Gb Corsair DDR5 5200 with an Asrock AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom OC. I have the XMP turned on and leave everything else at stock. I'm glad the Steel Legend came with a beefy GPU solution. The Fractal Define 7's Alternative GPU Placement area had the GPU too close to the case panel and it would have to ramp up the fans. I just felt like doing an all red build. I even got an Asus XG438 for the main monitor and two Asus VA27EHE for the sides. I finally made it to the world of 120Mhz for the main. I use a Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer II 280 AIO for the CPU cooler. Other than staying on top of BIOS updates I can't complain.
I hope Intel continues to treat you well. I took a bit of a leap going for the 7800x3d (I do know about the 2 CCD vs 1 but it was the change to AMD and the RAM frequency issues) after being Intel my whole life. So far the only issue was the power supply nuking itself after only 2 years but I was so ready to blame it on the new platform. Knock on wood I'm hoping it keeps going well and hopefully skunkworks is rock solid as well (and fits in your house).
Best choice. I don't even know why anyone would go for anything else. I still can't believe the performance numbers while drawing soo little power, it's just bonkers. This cpu can easily last 5 years in a top tier gaming system and after that a potential 9800x3d can probably be just swapped in.
His problem is the 7950x3D sucks. The 7800x3D is good. I guess he wants more cores and faster RAM timings. He’s making a long winded excuse to go back to a dead platform and use way more power lol.
@@quintrapnell3605 Why do you care about power so much? I really don't get why people care so much about power, in their PCs while they have RGB everywhere and subsused cooling systems. i understand people like 3D cos better benchmarks I get it. But power? who cares unless is a laptop
CPU power wont make a such difference anyway when choosing PSU. So why?
7800X3D only has a single CCD with the V-Cache on it. So it doesn't suffer from the problems he described with the 7950X3D.
And for gaming there is not much point in more than 8 cores anyways.
@@quintrapnell3605 AMD sells something that sucks and wastes someone's time. Common AMD Fan reaction.. YOU BOUGHT THE WRONG ONE!
I was fighting myself on the 7800x3d and the 7900x. Literally was months and months of fighting myself on which to get. After reading/watching the horror stories i went with the 7900x and i do believe that was the right call.. i have it "optimized" and im seeing about 5.3/4 @80* i let ryzen master do its thing.
But ONE THING about optimization was when i hit "start optimization" it would restart the pc, cool, that's given, but it hung up like you said on a black screen. Not matter when or what i do, if i curve optimize it will always hang up and the memory light is on the MB (not special enough to have a 7segment display) then i just hit the power button and it would boot up just fine. That's the only problem I've see thus far.
My other pc is a 12700k which, well, asus did asus things and all the asus features for the cpu were on and after the latest bios update, i can't run any optimization for the ram or the cpu without BSOD. i dont care all that much about it being overclocked, its more for the fact that when i called asus they told me (in so many words) "well dont overclock it" gee thanks asus.
I've been running a 7950x undervolted for over a year - I've never had a blue screen or any type of glitch. I like the cpu so much - I built a new computer for my parents with a 7700x. The x chips work efficiently and quietly, can be undervolted and the 670e motherboards (mine are both Asus - no issues) have 3-5 years of longevity (perhaps longer).
My first AMD cpu was a 2700X coming from an Intel 2500K... performed very well and noticeable upgrade but making the ram run at XMP speed was a pain in the ass. Had to look for B-die etc. Also I was mind boggled my Noctua NH-D14 wasn't able to handle it properly with its sudden huge temperature spikes of 10 C. This caused the fans to often ramp up at high speed for a second and then back to normal which was really annoying to hear. After a while went with 3900X which had far better memory controller. Used to simply enable xmp profiles at 3600 MHz and offset the cpu v-core with a negative 0.1 iirc to make it run cooler. One year ago I changed again with the 5800X3D and this has been the most incrediblly noticeable upgrade I ever had cpu wise since I started building my own PCs in 15 years. I mainly upgraded for Tarkov... the fps literally doubled lol. Considering my current platform is now dead though, I'm really looking forward to see what Intel is going to achieve with their next architecture. After years of space heaters, if they'll come back in the game, I might consider them for my next platform
This is why I went with the 7800x3D. Rock solid best overall gaming performance. Very efficient. cl30 6000 64GB ram.
This is exactly what ill be doing, going from an old 3770k\1070 to the 7800x3d, a 6800xt and 32gb of ram
@@HazardWolfCorpI'm on those same hardware at the moment. You won't be disappointed.
@@HazardWolfCorp Been rocking the 7800x3d for a few months now and its noticeably faster than my old 3600. Gaming is great but the 7800x3d is a fast boy its bottlenecked by my 3080
same, whats yall boot time for windows
@@NB-ze4kw on my current setup, i am using a somewhat old kingston sata SSD, but from the time i hit the power button to desktop mine will load in about 35-40 seconds ish id say, i only use that drive for my OS and i make sure to rid the drive of any and all unnecessary programs and bloatware junk any time i do a new windows install.
Thanks for the info. Will keep this in mind if I decide to upgrade this year.
I went with the 7950x and have been happy with my setup. I do game often but also do several multi-tasking thing at once rather often. I figured that running a 4090 with the 7950x would be just fine. Though as someone who has been building my rigs since the late 90s I feel your pain and frustrations.
It’s a bummer to hear about the instability and it makes total sense why you’re doing the Skunkworks adventure the way you are, which is looking amazing. Thanks for the great talking head piece.
Just upgraded from an i5 9600k to a 7950x3d. Haven't had a lot of time e to test stability since building it out took longer than I expected like i couldn't find my standoffs for the case since I am going from a mini itx to a full size mobo and then didn't realize I needed my other cpu power cable so I had to find that as well.
But that being said running on Asus tuff x670e plus wifi mobo my gskill flare x5 32gb at 6000 and all seem stable as of now. Updated the bios and I believe the chipset and everything. So will continue to monitor and try it more later tonight.
Good for you switching things up. No need to be locked into one brand since the performance difference on this level is negligible. Personally i started my current system on an 5600X and 6600XT with 16GB RAM and slowly upgraded it piece by piece when I had the money. Now I have the best system I'll need for the next years before I upgrade again. 5800X3D, 7900XTX and 32Gb RAM. My experience with the X3D Chip has been perfect. No issues whatsoever, with curve optimizer. the 7900XTX has typical AMD driver issues but nothing bad. Hardly ever games crashes not one system crash without me fiddling with voltages / frequency. I'm a happy gamer and can relaxed watch what comes out over the next years and think about upgrading again in like 2- 5 years depending on hardware requirements. Since I have it hooked up to my TV I play in 1440p (no real difference visible at 4K from 3.5m distance) to safe energy and rather get more fps than minute better details. All in all AMD has been a solid choice for me but if I had one thing that I still don't get what bothers me is that when I turn on the PC without the TV, I get a MB beep which typically means bad video adapter. This was a lengthy troubleshoot experience in the beginning till I tested every Little part, just to reach the conclusion that apparently the TV must have some signal / not have a signal that tells the PC something it can't understand so that it beeps and resets every setting in Adrenalin. Besides that, everything else works so it's an unnecessary error which is annoying.
I put all the old parts in a second system but used and intel A750 instead of the 660XT (that one I put in another system) and use it for my 3d printing hobby as a low power 'always on' PC for designing parts and monitoring the printer when I'm away.
Definitely true on keeping up with BIOS updates. When I first put together my Ryzen 5 3600 on X570 I couldn't get even 3200 MHz DDR4 stable, and there were lots of weird hiccups and micro stutters, the latter particularly annoying because it would also briefly freeze any audio playing. It took a year of updates to really get things sorted out to a point where it felt truly solid. I guess the real moral of the story is if you're going AMD, maybe buy in towards the end of a generation instead of the beginning, if you need absolute stability.
Edit: Almost forgot that using the front USB would also cause it to completely lock up at times, though that was to AMD's credit one of the first things that went away with updates.
I had a similar issue to your weird hiccups on my previous X570 system with 5700X. It turned out for me that the thing causing the weird hiccups including in audio was the fTPM implementation. Since I am still on Windows 10, I just disabled the module and the hiccups went away for me. I am guessing by this point that is fixed for the X570 board I have (sitting in the other room in the box. I have a friend who is going to build a newer pc for themselves with it when they come to visit from out of state) but I haven't been using it for a while now so I can't be certain. I would hope so, and hopefully it doesn't cause the same stutter issues in Windows 11.
So, i can't speak about Ryzen 7XXX
But i've had 3900X and 5950X on ASUS Z570 PRO board. It was the single worst experience with hardware i've ever had.
I strongly believe their BIOS team is either incompetent or are simply trolling.
The number of times they've released BIOS that would bug out on any frequency above 3200 is ridiculous.
Every 2nd BIOS update was straight up broken.
I've switched to another brand since then and had 0 problems with same RAM and CPU.
I've promised myself to avoid AMD+ASUS combo at all costs.
So I am currently building the last iteration of my AM4 build workstation now and going to a 5950X and a Radeon 7600 XT 16 GB GPU. I spend the majority of my time working in Linux, running VM's and some occasional gaming. I still do a lot of coding and development, but I'm excited to see how this works out for me.
there was a bug in some of the AGESA bios a few months back that broke the memory context restore function. I would get bluescreens on startup everytime and had to reset the cmos even after relaxing memory timings. That was until I discovered turning off memory context restore fixed everything. I could even use the tweaked memory settings i was using before. I think this was fixed on some boards eventually, but not all. Just wondering maybe that was what you were experiencing.
After hearing this and Brad Shoemaker's experience, think I'm just going to stick with my 5800X3D til the next generation and see how things pan out, not in any huge hurry anyway, and definitely don't want to create additional headache for minimal gains at this point.
When I ran my 3800 before it also took 2 years before I could run full memory speed. So I just upgrade to 5800x3d
I just upgraded to a 5800x3d from a 3600 two weeks ago. I feel zero need to upgrade anytime soon
@@robo-ert5754it’s a good cpu no need to upgrade anytime soon
same
What Intel chip should I go with
Thanks for the video explaining the issues that you were having, I think you should do what it takes to have a computer you can rely on.
Watching this while still on a overclocked 2500k sandy bridge. Does surprisingly well in a lot of gaming applications.
: The 7800X3d is the best gaming CPU of 2023
: The X3D has the most problems with RAM and System stability
Wtf?
I can't make a decision like this omfg
Amd beat intel get more views on youtube. its simple.
I have had very similar issues (memory training loops, not hitting expected MHz, long or failed boots after having the system off for hours) with 7950X (non-3D), Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero, and 2x32GB Vengeance sticks that are supposed to run 5600 with EXPO, the system is only stable at
i did too, it seems to have sorted itself over time...
I built my AM3+ FX-8350 system with help from your guide when your tutorial video came out initially, its has been great watching you all this time Jay! Your comments and experience with AM5/3D V-cache supports the suspicions I had. Im on AM4 with a Ryzen 5 3600 right now, I think i'll be quite satisfied upgrading to a 5950x with my current needs. I don't really see the point upgrading to AM5 yet. I wish you the best of health!
If you play mainly games the 5800x3d is a very solid chip that shares none of the stability issues he talks about here and is fairly competitive even against the newer chips.
Highly recommend it, myself and 4 of my buddies use it.
I still running the AMD 8350FX on a ROG Crossair V formula Thunderbolt....still run.s awesome for my need's .If it ain't broke don't fix it.
You probably shouldn't pick the 5950x because is is expensive, has thermo throttling issues and is overkill for most use cases. For gaming, depending on system load, it can actually run slower than a 12 or 8 core version. My recommendation would be the R7 5800X3D ( +25 -> 50% gaming ) if gaming is what you want, the R9 5900X ( +120% computation ) if computation performance is your focus, or a R7 5700 ( +25% gaming and +36% computation ) if you just want to solid PC upgrade.
I am rocking a R9 5900X setup for 65W ECO mode, which means a little less power under heavy multicore loads but also less thermo throttling.
Good old FX-8350 myself. Served me well up until about 2020.
Built a new system with a 5800x zero problems with that ran very cool no stability issues at all.
“Upgraded” to the 5800x3d and to be honest not that impressed with it. Only way to make it hit the advertised boost is to play around with PBO/-30 offset which to me shouldn’t be mandatory on a factory tune.
Also the clock speed hit is considerable so unless you’re playing the specific games that benefit from a X3D I would just recommend a 5800x. Price is right and it does what it’s advertised to out of the box unlike the X3D variant.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ Switching from a 5800x, or even a 5700x, to a 5800X3D is a downgrade for most things aside from gaming. You also need very good (water) cooling, RAM running at DDR4-3600 XMP and a PCIe 4 capable motherboard ( 500 series chipset ) to really profit from it. With those your gaming performance gets near AM5 levels, and general computation power should also be okay.
I've had all those issues you've pointed out and even when the clock went down to 350/400 mhz and constant and suddent stutters in my 3950x. I was caught by it cause I didn't have money to get a intel and ditch this one, but it lasted over a year and some extra months till new BIOS came out. After all that, I think year and half. There was a decent bios that I'm using until know. Didn't bother with recent bios cause I didn't want to mess with it and have to face unknown bugs in AMD BIOS.
7800x3d with 7900xtx and X670e with 6400ddr5 and could not be happier. no issues for almost a year and better is the savings on electric bill which is just amazing. i have not noticed any issues mentioned but i am not really doing any labor tasks ie no video editing etc... i really don't see me upgrading for sometime or going back to intel until they put out CPU's that are more power cost friendly
Jay, it sounds like you've been running on damaged silicon in that CPU. I remember the fiasco over the voltages being too high on the original bios, and you stated several times that you were running it on stock cpu voltage settings originally, but then upgraded the BIOS after that came out about the voltages being too high. I suspect, that even though you updated the BIOS, that the CPU may have been damaged in that short time. I'm currently running the 7950X3D myself and memory @ 6,000mhz without a problem; no training, no crashed, no problems.
Most likely Not damaged silicon, theres an issue with 7950x3D in general, theres been over 100+ reports of this exact issue. You probably got really lucky with your IMC, you may have a golden sample IMC, or what it should be. Remember Faulty does not equal damaged, since damage generally means something occured to it to cause it to fail rather then it being faulty from something else.
@@ShimejiiGaming The only way you're argument doesn't support what I said is if AMD sold less then 100 7950X3D CPU's before it was realized that the voltage given to them was too high.
I had the exact same issues with my first 7950x3d.... Turns out the CPU had a faulty memory controller. I went through the AMD RMA process and am running strong on my new chip, night and day difference.
Thank you for honesty Jay, all the adaptive tech takes quite a few iterations to get decent. Also ddr5 needs to run 7k+ to make any difference compared to ddr4 and there are countless examples of it in multiple tests. So team red top dog doesn’t make much sense right now
The memory speed limits and instability is holding me back from AMD. Then I'm still waiting for Arrow Lake on the Intel side, so I guess I just wait
Hi Jay thanks for all the info. I built my first system just before MSFS 2020 came out. I am new to building systems and know enough to cause trouble when I put the first one together. It worked great with a Ryzen 7 5800 and a Gigabyte 2070 super. I switched to a 5800x 3D and water cooler to get better VR performance. Now that my SSD's are completely full with MSFS updates I am scouring the net for the next months for the best some-what budget system components that actually work together. I have had great success with AMD Ryzen's 5800 series but will have to see what happens between now and the Black Friday sales of 2024. Maybe updated versions of the 7800x 3d will improve performance. Time will tell.
I’m using 7800x3d, I had severe memory timing issues with CL39 DDR5 ram and then swapped to CL32 DRR5 RAM and I still get occasional crashes but not nearly as often. I want to review your previous videos to see how you dealt with it. Eventually I’ll get CL30 RAM that’s on my motherboard manufactures list.
I totally emphasise with your decision to go back to Intel for the stability because RAM and CPU should be plug and play and be stable when using over clocking profiles. I just play games that are very CPU heavy.
its ytour board not the ram , i had same issue with gigabyte b650 and i decided im done with gigabyte and bought the msi tomakawk b650 and literally not a single crash since i switched 9 months ago
the gig board is absolute dogshit and caused all my memory timing issues to the point i would crash on every single restart. literally every single problem gone by switchng my motherboard to msi
bottom line buy a quality MB DO NOT BUY GIGABYTE !!! LITERALLY THE WORST COMPANY IN THE GAMING SPACE
@@fullsend_ny7948 Haha well said mate. I've long been done working with GigaShyte products. Some people still sing their praises.....
7800x3d has only one ccd, you shouldn't get those memory issues. have you tried other bios/mobo combos?
@@fullsend_ny7948 i think you may be right. 7800x3d shouldn't have issues like larger, two ccd, cpus.
@@sakatababa Well the AMD platform in general has its own set of issues with memory.
Sad to hear you had so much issues with the new AMD platform.
Personally I have the 7950x and 64gb 6000mhz ram, and I have not had one single issue related to that. I have made sure to keep my bios and drivers up to date.
Mostly an 7950x3D Issue. Hes not alone and its a TON of people that have the issue. 7800x3D doesnt have the issue either for the most part afaik.
@@ShimejiiGaming Yeah, 7950x3d is a chip that wants to do it all and doesn't really succed anywhere, unless you're willing to disable the non-3d chiplet in the bios everytime you want to game.
@@ShimejiiGaming I am running the 7800x3d with 96Gb 6400Mhz memory and have zero issues. Heat or otherwise... but then again my primary goal was game performance not multitasking. So far I have not had a single crash which is awesome. My previous system was a pre-built system and I was not happy with almost from the get go. The current system is built by me and I have loved it
Same CPU here, 7950x with 64GB of EXPO 6000 RAM from Gskill.
Latest firmware with the ASUS motherboard and seems to be very stable.
It does seem to be the 7950x3D CPU that is having some weirdness issues like this :(
@ShimejiiGaming Knock on wood.... but I'm running 7950x3D and 64gb of 6000mhz ram for the last six month and haven't had any issues.
I used mostly intel, but I did build one AMD from scratch back in the day with a tiger MB and two sockets which because of cash limitations I only used on Thunderbird CPU. It didn't work out well because it was a problem with the ECC memory for that server MB.
The beauty of waiting a while after release. I upgraded 4 of 9 of my AM4 5000/x570 systems to AM5 7600x / 7800x3D two of each back in Feb/Mar of 2024 for smoking good prices. All I read about the issues had been fixed, latest BIOS on all of them and installed CL30 6000MT Trident Expo ram on 3 of them. Did have still very high VCORE on a Asus B650e-e board where I have -30 CO and a negative offset on top of that of .1. Glad I wasn't an early adopter and will also hold off for a while for Zen5.
I bought an 7800X3D+X670E on launch day. I went for Corsair Dominator 5200 (relatively slow speed, 2 sticks) and I haven't experienced any issues whatsoever so far. It has been a great experience. I have been very careful to always go for the latest BIOS, especially with that voltage debacle.
I came from an 3950X X570 and that one was unfortunately a terrible experience until the BIOS was patched up. I couldn't use USB properly for several months. After the BIOS patching, that system has been running rock solid.
I feel Jay wanted an excuse to go back to Intel no matter what.
@@KingcoleIIV he didn't even try RMA an obvious IMC degradation fault lol. really not very experienced with PCs.
RAM instability was what put me off AMD back when they launched the 5000 series. Bought a 5800X and a X570 Gigabyte motherboard. The 3800MHz CL18 RAM I bought from G.skill would NOT run at the advertised speed at all. Returned the RAM and got 3600MHz CL16 RAM and the same problem existed... Returned that for 4000MHz CL18 RAM and still the same fucking problem. Returned the 5800X and the X570 board for an Intel 10700K and a Z490 motherboard and popped the 4000MHz CL18 memory in *that* *was* *specifically* *"optimized"* for AMD. The system did a boot loop once, and started right up at the proper XMP settings of 4000MHz CL18 and hasn't had any issues since.
Intel gets a bad rep. But nothing beats just plain old stability, which Intel will always have the advantage of.
I had exactly same RAM issues with my 7600X so I don't think it's 3D related, what seemed to be the cause was that one of the bois locked how much volt the ram was getting, forcing it to act up at 6000MHZ speeds, at stock it was normal, however, luckily XMP had 1.25v profile running at 5400Mhz which seemed to completely solve all my issues including random Nvidia driver errors that would crash games
So the memory training on boot-up does not occur on the standard 7950x ? For that CPU is it the case that you turn the machine on and you are at the Windows desktop in seconds es you would expect ?
12700k here and aside the recent RMA I had on it (took me a year to figure out the cause of BSOD), it's been working like a charm.
couldn't be more happy with my system. it's a beast and destroys everything I throw at it.
12700k is awesome. Built my 1st gaming PC with a 12700k and it's been running like a champ without any issues.
I have a 7950x3D with 64GB 6000Mhz CL30. I have no instabilities, but the boot times, even with just the two sticks I have, are horrible without enabling some certain memory training exceptions in BIOS.
I also noticed it being slightly slower than my prior 12700k when loading my Lightroom library, but it's more of a short latency thing than not loading or working. But it could also be just a subjective experience.
At the end of the day, I'm glad I switched over when my Intel MB died. The lower power consumption did wonders for overall power usage and the better efficiency also lowered my temps by 10° across the board in the whole system. Other tasks also run much smoother, the MB IO at the same price is way better in my case and the way AMD Adrenaline looks and handles is much superior to Intels weird browser solution. That said, while I have no significant drawbacks or issues as of now, the boot times persist and are majorly annoying should I want to do a quick restart or quickly boot up from cold when I make a pitstop at home between two appointments.
The latest AGESA fixed my slow boots, but I am impressed that you got 64GB working at 6000MHz. That's not supposed to be stable for anyone. Does it pass a memory test?
@@jondonnelly4831 I have stable 64GB (2x32GB) at 6000MHz CL30 with 7800X3D, slow boots fixed with setting called "Memory Context Restore" on Asus boards set from auto to enabled.
@@jurajbalazi8581same for me.
I got an Asus board as well and that's the setting I was talking about prior. It speeds up my post and boot time to about 15-20s with the expo running stable and all. Without it it's more like 60-80s, sometimes even longer. With my Intel before it was 3-4s post and boot max at times.
I have no instabilities otherwise. MemTest86 returns no errors, prime95 can run full boar and my usual stuff of video renders, Animation and 3D modeling as well as the big panorama stitching I do all Mac out the 64GB of RAM and without any crashes.
It's just the post and boot times that have become majorly annoying and no new Bios version has fixed that so far.
I found this video very interesting. My ancient system (near a decade old) has become unstable and I'm planning a new build. The x3d has been high on my shopping list because of its generally great reviews. However, I don't play AAA games I don't bother with over locking etc and I don't fair amount of photo and video editing so hearing you say this is making me reconsider.
Coming back to looking at builds after so long is really quite confusing. When I last shopped you picked and ordered intel and bought the best you could afford. Now there are so many variants to consider and almost all reviews and videos only talking about gaming rigs and almost entirely ignoring more rounded systems.
So thanks for this one. 😊
How are you able to overheat the 7950X3D during gaming and streaming?
I am a 7800X3D user with 6200 memory 1:1 for 3 months now.
Tested with 24 hours Cinebench 23.
Did you use a Asus board with the memory controller cooking 1.4 V SOC?
1.4V SOC makes the memory unstable compared to 1.25V.
You need to test with something else than CB23 to get a real CPU benchmark due to how CB just loops the test during long tests and is not good for prolonged stress tests. You can use it like reviewers do for short testing and comparisons, not what you did. You need BurnInTest to do what you're trying to do.
Of course he used crappy Asus which burns your AM5 CPUs to hell with too high voltages. What you expect from this channel? He has zero idea what he does and just buys the most expensive stuff. Asus board for $800 is the best right? 4 memory DIMMs are the best right? right? right? more voltage is better right???
@@bestonyoutube whats funny is he said he would quit using them. but he does that often and than cry's when he starts having problems
What motherboard would you reccomend?@@bestonyoutube
why are you so mad lmfao chill@@bestonyoutube
Only weird issue I've ever had with AMD right now when I built a PC for somebody was random crashing/freezing unless I turned Global C-State Control off. This was on a flagship Gigabyte board with a non-3D 7950X. I've been hearing that intel also has its own issues so I think it's just a fact that both sides are on spotty grounds right now with a hit-miss situation per user.
The main reason I tend to lean AMD right now though, is the huge power consumption discrepancy. Going by KitGuruTech's benchmark results (since I have no i9 on hand right now), the 7950X3D consumes 151w during 10min Cinebench 23, while 7950X consumes 205w, versus 13900K consuming 253w~300w. That's a whopping 100+watts difference. While power bills might not be a problem, the heat output is, especially where I'm located which is a tropical country.
same issue with c-state
tbf the 7950x3d was known to be "buggy" from the get go with their 2 ccd's in gaming, u can have a workaround with it tho. Like process lasso u can set an affinity core for every program u want or creating a batch file doing the same thing.
depends on what you're doing. the intel chips only turn into space heaters when you hammer all cores (not helped by the fact that motherboard makers tend to overvolt the hell out of those CPUs).
when gaming, they use only slightly more power than the 7000 series and are not really all that hard to cool, even the 13900K. hardware canucks made a video about this.
Some thoughts over my experience in these recent years. I ditched Asus mb for gigabyte as they seem more stable. I have read a lot about problems with expo ram kits. My preference is gskill xmp ram kits. I have worked with them in my last two builds (5800x, 7950x) and they're running rock solid. My job involves a lot of 3d rendering so everyday is like a stress test 😂.
Would never touch Asus, Asrock, nasty boards. I have had trouble with intel n AMD,.
ASUS has become increasingly unreliable over the years and even more appalling is the fact that their support has completely gone down the tubes. ASUS isn't nearly the company they were 5 years ago. ASUS likely still makes some good system boards but I wouldn't chance buying one because ASUS support is vast becoming an oxymoron. GIGABYTE, on the other hand, has really stepped up to the plate over the years. It's almost as though they found ASUS old client policy list, hired the best hardware developers they could get, and followed ASUS old model. If they stick to what they are doing they're going to pass ASUS both in quality components and customer satisfaction.
Several years ago i switched to AM4 with a X570 Tomahawk and a R7 3700X and i choose an expensive G.Skill XMP 3600 CL15 Kit (aim was to tune the memory to its limits) and oh my i never got the system stable at XMP speeds for about 1,5years. Then i switched to an R9 5900X, changed to an PCIe 4 m.2 and to a RX 6800XT and suddenly the RAM and the system worked as if nothing had happened before. My BIOS was always up to date. But since then it worked like a charme. I am satisfied at last since i value efficiency over raw power.
Anyways saw both sides in one system and yeah it can be really annoying.
@@scannerman777 That's interesting. I used to always go with gigabyte because they were solid for me, but for my 7950x3d build I went with a gigabyte aero g board and it was nothing but problems for months- constant blue screens and crashing. I swapped to an asus strix x670e-a board and it has not crashed once. After I was satisfied and increases the speeds of my ram, it did start taking longer to boot but no crashing or blue screens at all.
Which gigabyte mb did you use for your 7950x build?
I have a 7950x system, running the ram that came free with the Microcenter deal (6000), and a TUF gaming X670E PLUS Wifi. My brother and I have the same system. We both experienced very similar behavior with crashes, instability and bios revisions. System is now stable on bios rev. 1654 but we both experienced a period of random crashes (around the debacle of Asus running beyond the 1.35V limit and then dropping back), which we were able to deduce potentially cold system running at clock / timing settings (on memory) that became unstable once it had warmed, and EXPO 1 (which seems to auto tune things). The bios seemed to eventually corrupt itself (loads into memory and memory gets corrupted due to settings being wrong) to a point I had to use flashback to a newer bios to even be able to get into bios.
Current fix is to never use EXPO 1, only use EXPO 2, which seems to run predefined settings (identified from somewhere within the memory sticks from what I understand). Also newer bios seems to have the expanded memory compatibilities (from AMD) which I think also contributed to stability as not sure Asus ever expected to need to run things stable at the specified 1.35V.
Anyway, thought I would comment as it is interesting we experienced very similar things, even while I am not on x3d. Though Asus might be a commonality here.
@jayztwocents
I just picked up a 7950x3D before I saw your other video on RAM issues. Now I'm stuck with only being able to run 1 RAM stick. What did you end up getting to work? Should I also jump outta the AMD race?
I put together a 7900x3d Linux Mint system last month. It has been rock solid with no issues at all after I updated to the latest 6.5 kernel. I bought 5200 memory because that is what AMD's site said was compatable. I thought that I missed the boat as many people were recommending 6000 memory. I am glad that I stuck with the 5200 memory seeing so many people complain about stability and constant memory reconfiguring.
What kind of board did you get? Gigabyte typically is more flaky with memory
@@timothygibney159 MSI X670E Tomahawk
5200MHz is the native max the chip supports, but all RAM is run overclocked. You’re missing out on about 10% performance with 5200 as Ryzen is heavily speed dependent
nah really most application will barely noticeable difference@@SpyderTracks
@@SpyderTracks GPU is usually the limiting factor and not RAM. If RAM is your limiting factor, you got a fkn problem. Losing 10% ram speed with DDR5 will never be felt unless you are building for blender or something like that. Or trying to run starfield. But why would you play that game is beyond me.
I love my 7950x3d. I use process lasso and prefer cache in bios. This pretty much takes away all issues especially if as you say a lot of games are less known that you play. ECLK is used to bring up frequency on the vcache ccd so you can OC a bit. I haven't experienced any of the memory issues you have so can't speak to that, running Buildzoid's timings at 6000. Got it delidded so temps are really good. I understand and respect your choice, hopefully others that have already purchased this chip can find these "fixes," especially use prefer cache in bios if you game a lot. The power usage still amazes me. End of rant, Thanks Jay!
Can you give me either a link or quick steps to use process lasso? What exactly is it?
@@mannypereyra4you don't need a lasso. In bios choose cppc - by driver. And if the game is new, just add the game in the game bar.
Or just use the tray program - v-cache.
7950x3d needs Process Lasso for max performance.
Yes, it's a slight announce to be the thread director.
Ccd0 for gaming only.
Ccd1 for system tasks, background tasks, chrome, discord and everything else.
Also offload all infinity interrupts into ccd1 as well.
My average Dpc latency is under 1ms in latencymon.
Buttery smooth and zero dips in gaming.
Downside is there is a learning curve to set up the 7950x3d in this manner.
Best CPU I have used so far.
@@jsktravels1307 nope, it does not. Any of my game always on cache ccd. If I alt-tab, it instantly goes to frequency ccd and back to cache after alt tab in game.
Without game, in any software cache ccd in parked state and work only frequency ccd.
@@jsktravels1307can you please share how you eventually set it up in BIOS as per your best working experience?
Thank you!
7800x3d bundle from microcenter, have had zero issues in stability or expo timings on the RAM (6000mhz). My first AMD CPU since the Athlon era (circa 2006? 2005?). Absolutely loving it and how cool it runs while churning through games. I don't use my home PC for anything productive lol.
Of course anything would wipe the floor with the i7 6700k it replaced given the time between releases, but hey, I love it all the same. For $460 for the bundle it's all the better.
I just upgraded from a dual xeon to the 7950X3D and don't regret it. The memory wasn't running at full speed but a simple settings change in the bios and the system screams now
That is so funny, because I am having those exact issues with my 11900k and memory not being stable. Just waiting for 15th gen to make a switch.
Update your bios.
@@lillen141 I did, it's up to date.
Anyone ignorant with an AMD component in their system will think the AMD component is at fault when stuff goes wrong. Their bad reputation is extremely undeserved.
Idk what GPU you have but if it's AMD and you posted this on Reddit people would somehow blame the AMD GPU for it I swear.
@@Altrop AMD 100% deserve their reputation.
@@Altropmy x570 platform hasn’t received a bios update since 2022. They absolutely deserve their reputation. Never touching an amd platform again.
I came from a 3700x, upgraded to a 5700x and the x3d variant before going for the 7800x3d. AM4 x3d was just plug and play. I even had 4 sticks, no issues whatsoever and it was great. The 7800x3d on the other side gave me problems to no end.
I don't shy away from manual tuning, but I experienced a lot of things you did Jay. Sometimes it was fine for a week and then wouldn't boot at all. Sometimes it would get stuck on Code 15, other times completely random ones.
I'm running 4 sticks (which is stupid with 7th Gen AMD, I know) at 5400MT/s, but the system randomly freezes for a second every once in a while.
I hope this is just a hickup on AMD's part with AM5 and the next generation will be more stable, otherwise I would jump to Intel.
sounds like a u problem
Running a 7800X3D since July with 2 sticks of 16GB of 6000MT/s in Dual Channel ... no problems whatsoever *shrug*
what made you upgrade from a 3700x to the 5700x before the 3dcpu ?
I been having issues with my pc but then yesterday pc just BSOD running 7900x with 4080 strix and when i tried to boot back up code 15 over and over few more boots and it booted fine i just unplugged my monitor from gpu and it was fine, im defo going back intel with my next rig considering i have a budget of 10k for my next rig im just going all out and getting whatever i want
what is your motherboard? give INFORMATION
7950x + elite ax gaming mb, 7900xtx gpu, was constantly getting bsod on windows 10, switched to linux, been using wine for my exe apps, everything is smooth as butter
I had so many problems with my 1700. Weird start issues. Software issues. Stuttering.
When I upgraded to a 3700x I had nothing but problems as well which I hoped would be improved.
My systems worked but unreliably.
Switched to Intel 13600k and haven’t had a SINGLE problem. Starts EVERY time. NO software issues or inconsistencies. Game changing.
Im back on team blue for now.
7800x3d user here. I use Gskill 6000cl30 (Trident Z Neo) kit and it works flawlessly. New BIOS also added support for higher speeds, one of my friends is running a 6600 kit on a Aorus board and it's running fine too. Maybe the IMC on chip isn't good on Jay's.
Which kit specifically do you have? Is it the 2x16 or the 2x32? CL30 or CL32? I've got the same memory on my list of parts to buy, thinking I might bump up to 2x32gb, but the only one officially listed as supported by my motherboard choice (asus rog strix B650E-F) is the 2x16gb CL30 version..while it lists the 2x32gb cl32 being supported. Both 6000mhz. Odd that just changing from 32 to 64gb the board says it goes from cl30 support to cl32 support. Although the g.skill website says that 2x32gb (cl30) works fine with the B650 boards.
@@slandshark I'm using 2x16 kit. It is odd that the motherboard QVL doesn't include 2x32 kit for your motherboard at cl30 but it'll most probably work.
I'm so glad that the X3D stuff was happening when it did because i built a new system around then and was heavily considering the 7800X3D and due to GamersNexus videos about the subject (of course it turned out to be more of a ASUS mobo situation and a couple others too..) so I opted to go with the 7700X with the x670e ASRock mobo and a 7900XTX card... been super smooth and trouble free since then. I might would try the X3D chips after a couple generations of them have been out on the AM5 platform to work out all the kinks before I take that plunge.
that was ASUS fault 100% and they fix the issue with a BIOS update not CPU fault , i have a 7800x3d with a MSI MOBO b650 tomahack with corsair ram 6000CL30 AMD EXPO 6000mhz enable and PBO-30 no problems so far
Isn't x570e an AM4 chipset ? How does that work with the 7700x ?
@juandenz2008 Was a typo on my part, I fixed it, though.
You're the most insane person I've ever seen in the history of mankind, so you bought a 700$ motherboard for a 320$ cpu 🤦
If your plan was a 7950X3D, why on earth did you downgrade so far as the 7700? You could just do a 13900K or 14900K which both are cheaper and faster in all aspects. Add to that Intel definitely has a greater stability currently ASUS or no ASUS.
Running a 7950X3D, 64GB (4x16) DDR5 6000 CL32, Asus X670E-E motherboard, absolutely ZERO issues. This is EASILY the best CPU I have ever owned. It is NOT that hard to monitor cores, or to just run something like Project Lasso if you can't figure out how to properly configure something as simple as X Box Game Bar. You can tell Windows if it ever uses the wrong cores for something, and it'll remember not to do so in the future. You literally just have to check a box. LMAO