I Bought the Two FASTEST CPUs... but I'm Only Keeping the Winner - 13900K vs 7950X
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Linus is going to upgrade to the next generation, but does he stick with AMD or has Intel clawed their way back on top? We built overkill computers for each team and drag raced them in his favorite games to determine the winner.
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Man, when the deciding factor is sale pricing and stock you know that the competition is fierce
True, however a point that should have been taken into account is the power use of the systems. If the Intel system requires another 100W of power to supply near the same performance then it wouldn't require running the AMD system for long to make up for the initial difference in cost
@@nickryan3417 Yes, especially in those countires where electriicty prices have skyrocketed.
I miss the days when AMD regularly whipped the pants off Intel and was still massively cheaper.
These days it's almost a fair competition.
Yeah, but the one that is out of stock kindof already won ;-)
@@ShieTar_ depends on the amount of stock
Linus: *I need a new CPU.*
AMD and Intel looking at each other: *This building ain’t big enough for the two of us.*
I mean, for this video it literally was big enough for both of them
Until the 7900xtx beat the 4090 and Intel i9 back in stock soon
@@giaopx amd owner here, dont think the 7900xtx will beat the 4090. might be close, but youre hyping yourself up too much. it would be really cool, but amd has a lot of performance to make up to get up there.
Well ltt has 2 buildings now so they can just be civil and keep out of each others way ☺️
@@dylanneff8338 To be fair, the price-performance difference will likely make the 7900xtx the better option for gaming, but, for users that want to do streaming, or 3d modeling, or any other task that requires a GPU that isnt gaming, Nvidia has been the better choice for years, this is related to encoding, drivers and architecture. All in all, it comes down to what the buyer wants to do with the GPU itself.
And about the CPUs, they forgot to take one little detail into consideration, and thats upgrade path, AMD is known to make their platforms last many generations, while Intel changes the platform every other generation. Meaning that 14th gen will be in a new platform, while 8th 9th and 10th gen will still be AM5 for AMD (if things go as expected). So in the long run, AMD is the more logical option for someone that expects to possibly upgrade in the future. But, we are talking flagship CPUs, both 13900k and 7950X will be incredible CPUs 2-3 years from now anyways.
The fact that the 4090 alone draws more watts than my entire computer is just nuts
Lol
@@SK-uk3qh same my CPU draws 236 watts and my GPU draws 204, whole system never uses more than 500w under full load
My cpu barely draws 100 watts
Why dont they try the AMD Threadripper💀
bro i got a i5 650 and a gtx 650 lol chill
Both these CPUs have vastly different architectures, signal paths, core counts, caches, clock speeds, and instruction sets. They were designed and manufactured independantly by entirely different teams with next to no direct communication between them. Yet when they were pitted against each other, the difference is negligible at the abstraction levels of our minds. It just blows my mind just thinking about it
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In the early days they were radically different however because of the standardisation of operating systems and architectures and new technologies etc they are for all intents and purposes identical apart from the label.
Bruh that's only one component. Take Formula 1 teams from different countries with different engines, different chassis, different drivers, lots of different aero and mechanical parts, different electronic and computational components, and they can be within 1 one-thousandth of a second over a 100 second lap, i.e. 99.999% identical performance. That's in the real macro world too in variable atmospheric and track conditions, not in a lab
@@Pax_Veritas Wow.. now that is a whole new level
Wait till homie learns what x86 is...
@@Pax_Veritas But F1 is artificially limited in many ways so you would expect things to be more similar.
Okay can we just hold up for a second to talk about how he got to build his own RAM? That's actually really sick!
I would much rather have a professional build my RAM I would most certainly mess it up
@@jrhowrey lmao im sure Micron walked him through the process and properly validated that it works, but the idea of having a piece of hardware that you had a hand in putting together is cool
DDR9-9000 cl69 🤣
@@ScottYarosh I wonder what the actual specs are
@@SoranoGuardias And to see how he dropped it and had to re-build the ram lmao
These builds basically just epitomise "Kid goes onto online pc builder and chooses all of the most expensive options" and I love it.
I'm no kid, but I am about to build my first PC and that is basically exactly what I've been doing. Now I'm just trying to cut back to a level I'd still be happy with while saving a bit of cash.
I’m not sure a kid gets to build his own RAM 🤣
When I was young I used to think that having a $70k/yr job would mean you could build at least a $60k PC every year. Hahahahaha. i cry.
@@quoththekraven5911 Good for you
@@astronichols1900 Hahaha more moneu more problems
It's funny because you used a clip from your pretty old $2500 rgb pc build, and it was nice to see that. That was probably the first video of yours that I watched and has kept me around for a while. Love the content, always love it
As a ex-BIOS engineer who worked closely with Microsoft kernel (ACPI) team, then had a long career in mobile architecture (particular in kernel and power management), it's sad that how they just didn't address power properly. I've worked closely with Microsoft on power optimization back in windows mobile/windows phone days, so they clearly have the knowledge and we've developed techniques that Windows can work just like what mobile device can... I guess that knowledge is lost in the sea of Microsoft engineers...
Microsoft simply doesn't believe in different limbs of the company being able to communicate with each other. They actually encourage the silo'ing of departments in their organization products(AD, etc).
as a former MS engineer, can confirm
@@shabadabadoo4326 DoD simping is so common for the pre-y2k mega-corps
@@shabadabadoo4326 That's how they do it in the CIA, FBI etc. This way people have no idea what's actually happening in the grand scheme as everyone is working on smaller projects that contribute to the whole. Easier to get away with shady practices this way.
im not surprised 10,000+ "professional" engineers could f something up. sometimes you go to work just to chill and eat, and post teaktoaks
If they're this close on performance, you should have put an energy meter on the end of the PC plugs so we could see how much energy they used over the course to see if there was a difference there.
yeah but that similarity is only in the enthusiast end.... they have the same thread count, but the 420$ 13700k is arround the 550$ 7900x... and dont even talk about the 13600k being better in every possible way than the 7700x for 150$ less, and mb cost...
@@AdrusFTS Not that it matters much to most if you’re building a new system, but isn’t the 13th gen platform dead after this generation? The AM5 motherboards should be able to be carried forward when 8000 (or whatever) series is out in a couple years. Doesn’t matter to most of course, but that was one lovely thing about my AM4 2600 build, going to a 5600X later on
@@Girvo747 I recall seeing rumour 14th Gen may work in the same socket, so maybe not.
@@Girvo747 yeah a x570 is only costing $100 dollar, so just to save that $100 motherboard cost in future? Not worth it
@@tissueoflies2780 it’s not, but 14 gen has a brand new structure may beat the sht out of amd
Linus lying on the ground incredulously reminding us that time is a flat circle is a genuine moment
I was listening to the video not watching can you post a time stamp I gotta see this 😂
9:20
@@loYolVibes
9:25
I gotch'u
He said floor time ^ I did not hear flat circle on time stamps ^ up above 🤣
@@digitaltactics9234 said floor time and then he lied down on the floor and said 'time is a flat circle' bozo
linus seems genuinely happy to be doing this with this person specifically.
he acts like an annoying brat. not very professional of him.
Who's the guy
@@millyyeasmin7904 i heard he was from Sugon
@@millyyeasmin7904 careful its a trap ^
@@Bebolife12345 I’m gonna spring it
When it comes to CPU usage in gaming, I think you should consider testing Planet Coaster, which even if it's from 2014, because of the Cobra Engine's limitation it's actually a Core-hog when having huge parks and especially when fully filled with all the guests the park can permit at max. Just sayin' to take it into consideration! This why even those channels that present created parks in Planet Coaster actually limit the number of guests or close the parks all together to get that framerate running right.
correction, 2016
they didn't even fps_max 0 in cs go and you're telling them to download a freaking cpu intensive map on that game? 😂
- Says they need a new CPU
- Builds an entire new PC
And yeah, this further shows how *MASSIVE* the 4090 is.
every PC build video for the foreseeable future will forever be overshadowed by how large the 4090 is lmao
My favorite 4090 meme is the one where it's the actual radiator outside for a house lol
Massive, cool and silent 4090. I'll take it!
4090: "Motherboard, look at me. I am the motherboard now."
The air cooled 4090 is bigger than that Xbox series S that's just insane
The 4090 seems soo thick in a real build... As if someone accidentally extruded it 1 [inch] instead of 1 [cm] in CAD...
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Ja, szinte mint egy Halas konzerv
That's what she said.
I always roasted the 4090 for its size, then I got a 7900 xtx red devil, without looking at the dimensions prior to getting it... its bigger
@@xspt5019amd loves the chonks
This was really entertaining, I like seeing Computer Drag Races, you should make that a THING. 😁
I ended up deciding to go AMD simply for one reason: Longer socket support. They just started doing AM5, when Intel has switched sockets every couple years now to force mobo upgrades.
7950X for me.
Not just that but they give new features with each new chipset and honestly my 13900kf will last me the next 5-6 years no problem by time I upgrade I will just get a whole new rig
Simpler organization, too.
I was on AM3+ until about a year and a half ago, and I went straight to AM4. It was as simple as pouring milk into a bowl of cereal.
With Intel? I'd have to first get around their confusing AF naming scheme for their processors, the find out what socket and motherboard goes with said processor... nah. Just nah.
@@theengineer2017 That is cool and all, but I like to stretch 10+ years between buying new rigs. Had intel for awhile, but doing just mostly gaming AMD is the clear choice here.
i went intel since the i9-13900 was on sale for 360 bucks
@@EzrealLux I went amd since I watched the 7800x3d video. I saw the benchmarks and the prices and noticed a clear winner. Gonna step up from a xeon 1231 and im already very excited. I bought a aio, trident z ram @6400 16x2 and msi b650 tomahawk. IDK about the ram speed because everyone is using 6000. I hope it goes well. Any thoughts or do I need to buy anything else?
Would love to see the power consumption compared in these equally performing pc's
As far as these architectures, Intel wins with idle power draw, AMD at load.
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 full core loads. given that he's gaming and not full time cinebenching, they are almost identical.
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 Now I gotta calculate if I'm gaming more or an idle boi
As mentioned, almost the same at idle and gaming loads. And for productivity you would need a more nuanced look at power versus perf (and even then if you’re making money through your computer you probably don’t care about power and just want raw perf since even in high energy cost places the difference in yearly energy bills is not immensely significant)
@@Jordan-ru8yf "since even in high energy cost places the difference in yearly energy bills is not immensely significant"
you kidding right?
3:45 Yes, someone said it!! Back in college I had a gaming rig with an ATI Rage 128 for the 2D card, Voodo2 SLI and a sound card, filling up all my PCI slots. I had one ISA slot which I put a modem into. It was beautiful.
This is the way, you paid for all the slots, you want to use all the slots! 🤣
How did you run the ISA card with the PCI slot that uses the same hole in the case?
@@Incommensurabilities If he had a full size atx board and the ISA slot is the most outer slot it is not overlapping. I had a similar board back in the day and also used all slots 🙂
I have also acheived the dream filling all the slots on my trx40, also my second dream of filling all the front slots 😁 (akiwa ghs-2000)
Ah, the memories... My first PC I put together: AMD K6-2 CPU, RIVA TNT (2, I think) AGP graphics card, a Soundblaster soundcard, 14" CRT monitor, Firewire card... I don't remember which board, but I do remember it was quite expensive (used for a review for regional the BUG - PC magazine).
I would love to see more of this content but at different price points/ tiers of the build
There was no untitled goose game I’m disappointed
Given that amd kept their word on the lifecycle of the AM4 platform, going AM5 means having a platform that will be around for a while with easier upgrading in the future.
It’s true. 13th gen is end of life for that socket.
They didn't on threadripper unfortunately, but the market dynamic for that kind of explains why. They literally can't make the TR Pro fast enough to fill the backlog so why would they make a lower tier part.
It's a 7950x what are you going to upgrade too??
"Yeah I really need the 9950x in 18 months though, its like 10% faster and with the same amount of cores."
All I see is AMD fanboys talking about how "eco friendly" AMD is because you use less power and the same board for upgrades
You wanna be eco friendly, stop upgrading your CPU every 20 months, that and if you are dropping about £2000 on a new PC, saving £100 now or £200 in 3 years means nothing.
You can always flip motherboards if you decide to upgrade, and intel has more room for ram upgrades in the future unlike AMD (which does give benefits, and RAM is quickly getting cheeper/faster). Further more most people don’t upgrade every 3 years, even if substantial performance gains are achieved in that time. Not saying longer platform support isn’t a nice feature, and intel should adopt at least one more year for their platforms. But in general I would always buy the better CPU for the cost at the time rather than planning for a theorized future. Until recently that was Intel, although with the price cuts on AMD it’s probably winning currently! Competition is nice
@@Daeyae Why would 2 generations from now be only a 10% improvement? Not even including clock increases zen3->zen4 got a >10% IPC increase.
The editing and camera work in this episode is AWESOME!!! Having two cameras made this feel so cool and interesting compared to other episodes.
Linus, filling one's PCI slots is genuinely up there. Only once in my life have I had seven slots used by something useful, and it felt incredible.
That’s how I felt when tri SLI was a thing
Should also consider the new AM5 socket will go on so you will be able to upgrade your AMD cpu in the future without having to change motherboards, while intel is changing sockets after the 13900K so you’ll need a new mobo for the next gen intel cpus
This. 1st gen AM5 is on par with Intel's best and yet Intel's socket is already EOL. In a couple of years time Linus can simply drop in a 9950X3D after a BIOS update for no doubt huge gains all whilst keeping the motherboard and ram in place.
realistically, almost no one I know who buys the latest and greatest CPU even cares about keeping the same motherboard. The CPU upgrade is almost always tied to getting better feature sets that newer motherboards offer.
@@scythelord I got a 13900K and by the time I want to upgrade it, I'll upgrade the entire system. CPUs can last years without issues.
@@oktusprime3637 which cooler do you have ?
That only really comes into play if you're buying mid range now. 13900K will easily carry you for years.
The longevity we enjoyed with AM4 would push me to AM5. I went from a 2200G to a 3600 to a 5900X on the same MSI B450 ITX board.
I went from a 3400G to a 5600X on the same A320 asrock board
i staying with AM4 for a good long time i just built at AM4 computer before the AM5 was out
2700x to 5800x. Asus b450f, just surpassed 4 years. No complaints here!
This needs to be brought up way more often than it does. Being able to swap in a Zen 5 and even Zen 6 chip later down the road alone gives AMD the win even if AMD was more expensive.
@@BeautifulAngelBlossom Yeah me too, My 5950X + rtx3080 should serve me well for years to come.
You should've compared both systems power consumption. It might make a difference in a long run in power bill savings!
Anyone using these high end pc's don't care about the power bill because it's bad no matter what.
The performance was so close. It was within the margin of error of measurement and the margin of variation of the silicon lottery. Would have been fun if they swapped GPUs between the machines to validate
the power differences betwen the computers is literally nothing compared to the power usage of any other high powered device like your air conditioner or washer/dryer, dishwasher, etc
I really want to know the power consumption of high end cpu
I did the math for my CPU(5950x) and based on 5 hrs a day at load (0.11c/kWh) I could save nearly 50% on my energy bill compared to a pig like the 13700. That's based off a single component.
Holy crap, I didn't even know 8tb m.2s were out yet. That's more storage than my entire machine. lol
As always. You guys make top tier content. Been watching you guys for years now and never disappointed. Love y'all, keep doing what you do.
when linus pulled that first 4090 out of the box, i genuinely thought it was a toy for like a joke about how huge it is. i've already seen it on video a bit, but i did not remember it being this big
thats what she said
@@rustler08 lol no.. where do you get that
The water-cooled versions are smaller, I guess the time has come for water-cooled GPUs only in the future.
A power consumption comparison would have been interesting 🤔
Idle Intel, Load AMD
@@derspielographdsg7435 I like graphs :)
who the fuck cares about power? yall will use any mynute talking point to save your brand loyaty
@@FaZeredemption3 power consumption is an interesting point when it comes to a cooling solution.
All the dude said is that it would be interesting, chill the fuck out lmfao
@@happybobyou they both run hot as fuck. get a good cooler. solved
Linus- "Let me just slam this 4090 onto the desk with the pins pointing down"
7:53
What a massive brain!
Would love to see the performance of both running Callisto Protocol benchmarks.
Now I want to see a video about filling all possible motherboard slots/connections and see how the device performs
Get a sound card maybe?
I think the hardware from the "crazyiest PCI cards on AliExpress" are in a box in Linus' warehouse
Gotta be a full ATX then
That would be cool! A quatro, sound card, raid card, and maybe a 4090 for giggles!
@@estebanrodriguez9680 No because a 4090 takes 3 Slots and probably gets in the Way of the Fourth. It has to be a Graphics Card for two Slots.
It's crazy to think that at this high of a level, it can be a toss up either way in performance and price.
I dunno... on a money's no object build, dropping four figures on storage because who even knows why, I'd expect them to be pretty close.
@@UKCougar if you looked at cpu performance over the past 10 years, AMD hasn't been even CLOSE to intel in performance when you compare their top end chips. Previously, in a money is no object build, AMD wouldn't even be CONSIDERED because of how trash it was.
@@kasuraga Perhaps, but in performance vs cost AMD has been mullering Intel for ages.
@@UKCougar I wouldn’t say for ages, unless we ignore Bulldozer
Yeah.. one of these is a certified space heater though.
The ultimate performance test for a cpu is going into After Effects, making a very complex project, with a ton of layers, motion blur, animations, movements and scales of all kinds and a ton of different effects added and pressing spacebar to see how the cpu handles the live preview. I barely ever see this kind of test. :(
They didn't use the AMD Threadripper tho
You have the rad hoses at the top. I'm currently in the middle of an H115i corsair RMA for doing exactly this, it failed at about 4 years.
Given the size of graphics cards and length of hoses, not really sure what we're supposed to do about this, but that AIO is guaranteed to fail before it's 5 year warranty and its a massive pain in the ass to RMA a replacement or to replace it in general.
Honestly, I'd love if something similar became a labs project. Getting performance numbers for as many steam games as possible on intel/amd cpus and nvidia/amd gpus would allow for gamers to figure out what hardware would work best for them!
Would also go well with the MarkBench program!
I hope they see your comment
I would love to see some single thread limited/unoptimized games benchmarked. I've never seen anyone really do this before. Unity games like rust on a map with tons of buildings or far cry 3 for example. Gta online is a good example as well
To the top with you so the LTT team sees this!
just go to hardware unboxed dude. nothing against ltt labs but stop wasting ur time waiting.
would be nice if you would compare the electricity usage for boith systems. In some parts of the world (f.e. germany) electricity prices can get over 0.5€/kwh, so that could be a major factor.
ok, but then what else can you do at 0.5€ an hour? lie in bed?
And remember that those wattages they talk about are max draw, when under load. When web browsing they can easily draw an order of magnitude less.
That should be a default part in a benchmarking for sure.
Power usage is such an underrated metric. If I can use way less electricity for near-same price and performance, I'll absolutely do it. There are cost of ownership and eco-friendliness implications here. And the upgradability factor favors AMD's motherboard which has additional cost-savings and eco-friendliness implications.
They spent $3100 each on just the GPUs and SSDs, and you're wondering about electricity prices? This just isn't that kind of video. Gamers Nexus has all the numbers you want for each component if electricity draw is that important to you - these guys are just fucking around with expensive stuff for fun.
Sitting happily at 0.04€/kwh
5:10 The look on Linus' face after that totally means nothing trash talk. Priceless.
18:30 It feels like Linus just woke up at 5am after hearing the price cut
Mad respect for keeping the competition fair
9:59 Actually the 6800 MT/s kit has a bit lower latency, because memory latency is in clock cycles. The numbers may be higher on the 6800 MT/s kit but due to the higher clockspeed the effective latency in nanoseconds is a tiny bit lower for some of the memory timings.
interesting
Would have liked to see power usage as well. If you look at initial investment costs, you might as well look at the monthly running costs.
They're more or less the same in actual workloads. Max draw numbers are meaningless, no one is running synthetic benchmarks 24/7.
@@MTGeomancer How about people that run those SETI@Home and Folding@Home programs? Or leave their computer running with torrent uploads going 24/7? Or crypto miners. Or people who's photo and video exports take >1 hour. Or people that run website/media servers on their main computers. Might be valuable to those groups.
@@MitchJT Intel is going to be better for steady background workloads using the E cores.
@@MitchJT who bothers folding or mining on a cpu though?
It's so small (especially assuming you're not using it 24/7) that it really doesn't matter
On my aprus gaming 7 wifi x470, the extra pcie slots are shared with the secondary m2 slot, so my pcie slots are full without even being populated.
Great video thanks, but cant find anywhere what model Asus Monitors you are using for the setups?
cheers
Now they're both too good, We need a third player to keep them in the lines of sense 😄
Technically, there is Apple M2.
But yeah, it's uncomparable at this point still.
@@h.m.chuang0224 yeah the M2 is a Great CPU for completely different reasons, but hey the current x86 architecture is probably gonna hit its limit soon with CPUs getting small enough that Quantum tunneling is a real issue and apart from some architecture upgrades theres not alot left for x86 which is already 44years old now, probably about time to start looking for a better solution, something similar to the much more modern ARM architecture?
Be cool if snapdragon made its way to desktop format
@@FacialVomitTurtleFights Snapdragon 8cx and 870 have already made their way onto laptops. I'm guessing they don't have partners and the PCIE lanes aren't enough, so don't expect it on desktop anytime soon.
@@avixs1543 looking at how big Apple Silicon dies are, they will hit the same limit as x86. By that time, the only deciding factor is going to be architectural benefits of each arch. I don't believe that there's magic in this world, so the best case scenario is ARM chips being about the same performance as x86.
Watching Linus put that 4090 down so firmly at 7:54 raised my heart rate a little 😅
It was "old" anyways.
Just goes 2 show you how being rich can just make someone so damn careless.
no one in my house would even dream of setting that equipment down with such FORCE
before anyone calls me weird for making it a big deal, that card costs more than the RENT DOES HERE. not even a newborn baby would
be set down as gentle as that damn card if I could only afford that
that card costs more than me and he set it down like that
this aint even about the card anymore just give me a second
im crying
Something else to take into account is longevity. If you are buying top of the line processors then you probably like to stay on the cutting edge, which means when the AMD R9 8950x and Intel I9 14900 come out you are probably going to buy them. But the difference is that the 8950,9950 and 10950 or whatever they will be called probably wont need a new motherboard every time and intel will. Food for thought price wise.
I bought a top of the line processor so I wouldn't have to build a whole new computer for several years. I'll max out my processor and MB on quality, then swap the other pieces as needed for 5-10 years, then rebuild a new monster and start it again. This time I went with the 13900K and the 4090, so we'll see if it lasts like my last build did.
@@Rush2201You literally have the CPU and GPU shown in the video? You must be living the dream.
No, I pick high end CPUs and keep them for ~5 years. Hate working on CPU, mainboard, cooler and cable management all the time. I have 14900k + 4090 + 64GB DDR5 + 10TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe in my system and the only thing I will change in the next 5 years is the GPU.
Newer gen chips always seem to fail on old platform mobos so that argument is terrible. Always buy a new mobo with a new chip. I used my old b450 tuf that had my ryzen 2700x in it with my new 5950x and it wasn't stable at all. Lesson learned platform upgrades don't mean anything. NEW CHIP = NEW MOBO that is it.
The performance between different CL RAM timings is substantial even if it is a minor difference. This would been good if you used everything identical and just different CPU's, because only then you will have a good comparison.
I agree there is something very satisfying about having all the slots in your machine filled. You have exactly what you need and no excess.
Except for the excessively adorable cat in your pfp
That's what she said
I love filling my slots 👩
i too like filling all my holes
@@lavi688 🤨📸
I'd love to see AMD only for the reason for a follow up video to see how accurate AMDs claims are on for further support "till 2025" and possibly more. Also to see if keeping first gen AM5 boards will keep up (possibly feature wise) to newer boards in the future.
With the longevity of AM4, there's no reason to doubt that claim tbh
@@AngieYonaga Of course, AMD has proved themselves in keeping their promises but not without some troubles along the way. Remember the whole bios flash size debacle? Although yes, with this experience I doubt AMD would try something like that again that would get them flak.
@@NootNoot. Hopefully that's the case! No matter what it's good to remember that neither Intel or AMD wants the best for you, all they want is money and the only way for us consumers to not get screwed over is by making sure they deliver and riot if they don't
@@AngieYonaga That's true as well. Honestly, in a recession, competition couldn't have been timed any better. This video proves this and finally consumers may have an edge on the market unlike last year.
I'm glad someone else pointed this out. The failure to address the fact that AM5 will be around for a few years where as 13th gen's LGA1700 is likely to be the _last_ CPUs on this socket; feels like a massive oversight. If you are building a system from scratch right now, there is almost no reason to go Intel, you'd be shooting yourself in the foot.
Hey, I’ve been wondering about the h150i, for my build should the radiator be on the inside or the fans in my case for performance and airflow
This was really a really good one guys. I haven't owned a AMD build since I was a kid like 20+ years ago. Maybe its time.
I have an 5900x for 1 1/2 yrs and i can tell you that i have no regrets of doing that. Obviusly it depends on what you want for but, at least for my use (high quality (not extreme) gaming and regular use) its really great
@@fortunaf3 I did consider doing a AMD build, but a shop here did a really really good deal on intel, so I to jump on that. Next time, AMD for sure.
@@Skinnypuff really good for u!
Im pretty sure i would go for the pest price as well, since both of them are great right now!
yes it is
I can't believe you didn't mention upgradability between the two platforms, next year you can just stick a 8000/9000 (whatever it will be) series AMD CPU into that AM5 slot and not have to upgrade anything else. You can't do that on intel. Not to mention the new 3D cache chips that are coming out in the new year, gaming performance will increase massively.
do we know that next gen amd will use the same socket and chipset? for all we know, amd could do an intel and force you to get a new motherboard every generation or 2 and intel could start doing an amd and support sockets and chipsets for more generations of cpu. I'd be surprised if either did change but we never know
@@nmills3 AMD stated that socket am5 will be supported until 2025. Granted not as long as am4 socket support, but still.
@@LifeOnTheSaddle417 AMD is previously gone back on its promise to continue support for socket
@@om8414 That had less to do with the socket itself
The problem then was the memory size of the BIOS chip or something of the sorts, and they couldn't support 1xxx to 5xxx CPUs on x370 boards. They ended up making it so that updating the BIOS would only support the latest 3xxx and 5xxx CPUs and remove 1xxx and 2xxx supports depending on the motherboards chip storage space
It's not like Intel who basically used the same socket pins (different layout) and pretty much purposely designed it to not work well with newer chips
They should've created a new socket but the heat from early Ryzen claiming support for years made it tough, so they kept the same socket and decided to call any future proof issues "for our own good"
@@om8414they promised to only support up to Ryzen 3000 on some boards and yet STILL updated it when people whined about 5000. Don’t act like they aren’t going well beyond what they should have to.
Intel doesn’t even come close to that. Please.
This video is great! I love the authentic just 2 dorks building crazy PCs together and gaming vibe of the whole thing.
Honestly at this point when both the AMD and the INTEL builds are so close to eachother in terms of performance… it’s just all about how much you can/wanna pay because other than that, it’s pretty much impossible to spot significant differences between them
You could also pick your favourite based on aesthetics i guess...
@@Patriot-Eaglehead It's covered by a cooler...
@@n646n Then pick the sexiest cooler.
@@Patriot-Eaglehead Then what does that have to do with intel vs. amd...
@@n646n You ain't supposed to pick anything by the brand. Pick the one that performs the best and costs the least. And if that's not possible, just pick the one that looks better.
Same thing with dems from team blue and reps from team red in "The American Sh*tshow: Russian Interference Edition"
But somehow people seem to take everything way too personally. The same people who call others "snowflakes" tend to melt down at the slightest hint of fire.
How much of a difference does it make whether the radiator on the AIO is mounted on the front (like they did) or the top (like I've always heard is the better way to do it)?
Not a huge difference but if you put it on the front where the air is normally drawn in then you would be pulling fresh, cooler outside air directly through the radiator where as on top, the warmer PC air is being pushed through the radiator. Keep in mind though there usually isn't a huge difference in temp, maybe two or three degrees in most cases. It mostly comes down to how you want to mount it as long as the pump isn't the highest part of the loop (don't want the air bubbles to collect around the pump).
@@fuzzytech3846 Thanks for the explanation. I have my radiator on top and just assumed that was the best way to do it since hot air will naturally rise through the top and away from the radiator even without fans. Radiator on top mean fresh cool air is being pulled in unabated from the front and then expelled out the top after the GPU and or CPU heat it. What do you think about having a cpu cooler with a top radiator and one of the gpu's with a cooler attached with the radiator on the front?
That moment when you realise the SSD alone is enough for a normal setup
Also AMD has IO- and platform-advantage. Both things I'd look for in a PC I'm putting into a server rack
Really??
You mean 7950X have higher io than 13900k?
and amd keeps losing................
not much, 20 cpu pcie lanes from intel vs 28 cpu pcie lanes from amd. I.e. nobody of them able to provide 2x16 pcie slots. If you need tons of io in the rack - you getting xeon or epyc
@@casparhughey5651 the funny man has arrived
@@s.i.m.c.a That's 40%. Also I was specifically referring to Linus' usecase
I would've loved to see 7900xtx paired with 7950x with SAM vs 13900k paired with 4090 with ReBar
Quick question regarding the setups, in the past there was a practice to have 2 HD's, one for the OS and then a second for data and large applications - isn't that a thing anymore? Have the new SSD M.2 drives removed the need for such setups?
No, usually you may want to buy a 1-2tb ssd m.2 and a few tb hdd, because it's way cheaper and for most people i won't make much difference
Been craving a Linus build video for a while now.
Also, with AMD you can probably upgrade your CPU after two-three generations with the same MOBO. This is going to be my first all AMD build ever, if the 7900 XTX can deliver what was promised.
yeap... thats the good part of amd... well, at least on AM4
Honestly an advantage for people who are buying entry level or midrange processors, but not at the top end. I bought Intel because I only upgrade my processor when I want new motherboard features like NVMe or the latest DDR memory version. High core count, fast processors should have a pretty long lifespan
Indeed, bought Intel 6700k 5 years ago and it is still good. Work and games sometimes some rts
@@Mournful3ch0 Sure, if you don't upgrade your rig that often it's not an advantage. I'm upgrading from DDR4 to DDR5 now, but I'm not going to wait 8 years for the next upgrade, and i don't think many top end builders are. Upgrading MOBO within 4 years rarely yields much performance gains. From the first high end CPU to the last on the AM4 platform on the same MOBO and DDR4, there is a 179 % increase, that's not insignificant.
Don't forget you have the platform support of AM5. Not that you'll use it necessarily but yeah it's something
What about CPU temps? Even with the superior cooling which CPU do you recommend for extremely hot summer days? I ask because in my area we get 110-120 degrees during summer months. Is that a factor at all?
I would really enjoy a performance comparison when running Windows 11 Ghost Spectre with these machines.
Did ghost spectre fix the activation bypass yet on windows 11? Have been running windows 10 version for over a year now and it’s an easy 10% boost in fps in all games.
I am pretty sure they wouldn't do that because of security concerns.
Just got a 7950x, and it is an absolute beast. 32 thread rendering is just out of this world. And gaming is a piece of cake, even maxed out triple a games
Plus for socket support till 2025. Yeah, no brainer.
I wanted that chip too, but went for an i9 13900K instead.
@@thealien_ali3382 I do CAD work so a 7950x makes sense. But, yes, you will be absolutely blazing with 7900x.
Don't cry too much ,, you can upgrade to the 13900k later :)
@@badbutton5869 Finally someone says it - going for intel 13th because you already have DDR5 seems to be stupid because you will have to upgrade just everything and cannot upgrade the CPU. Unfortunately it wasnt mentioned in the video at all.
I'm curious how the Ryzen 9 7950X3D scores in games. should come soon! according to info it should be up to 25% faster than inel 13900K
About to my build a new computer. I've been watching all your videos from the last six months. This one was the most helpful.
Lol, I just built my first new rig in years (2nd gen to 12th gen) I remember how careful I used to be building pcs even down to applying thermal paste back in the day. Now I just built up my most expensive computer so fast sticking it all in. Too many years watching Linus man handle pc parts 🤣
What an upgrade
That sounds like my GF's rig. Their PC went from 2nd to 11th Gen.
@@jrbudoybudoy "Their PC " ? Does she suffer from multiple personalities or something similar or you was looking for "her PC" and couldn't remember the proper word?
@@alexandruilea915 it's a family PC. Ofc I'm using Their.
@@jrbudoybudoy You said "my GF's rig" not our rig or my family's rig. Girlfriend is singular so it does not make sense to use their. My PC can be use by my whole family as well but in the end is my PC not our family's PC because I am the main user.
Dunno how long ago you recorded this but according to nvidia (see gn deep dive) the issue is not fully engaged connector rather than bending the cables.
They still covering them under warranty, but it seems its quite easy to not fully click some in and then when cable managing it can work its way looser without being very noticeable.
With the reduced contact area on the pins, it increases the resistance thus the meltage.. (and the telltale marks that show a connector that was used without full engagement)
Might be worth an editors note.
That's quite possibly the worst excuse I've heard from a billion dollar company. That's bad connector design If that's the case
Now the price of the 7950X is less than intel. So, both systems are priced closed to the same. It would have been nice to see both of you guys switch PC's.
Why don't GPU manufacturers include a 90° adapter for the power cord? Would it hinder performance or something?
They sell it seperately on aliexpress 😂
I have been wondering the exact same thing
Hey Linus, about that Corsair AIO, there's a known issue that causes it to freak out and tank your lighting with a false Pump Failure Notice that eventually just causes your system to safety off or some shit. I'm currently having mine RMAd. Beware my friend.
Yup, built a few systems with that issue. Just another reason to use tower coolers.
AMD will always be Team Teal to me and I'm glad it's showing up more in their in presentation slides and, blessedly, it will show up on their products more too. :)
Bring back Team Teal!
Their logo is Light Green has been since the 386/486/Pentium days probably even longer.
I've searched all comments with many different keywords, and nobody is talking about the Wizard of Oz reference at the end. Anyways, loved your Scarecrow impression Linus!
Hey, not to blow out your work load but what the benches on linux are too would be super cool
Which can go faster if you're willing to push it to the extreme? Which could benefits more from direct die cooling? That kinda stuff
they're usually the same or similar but I would have to say intel is usually better in most categories like pushing it to the extreme
Well, for Linus' personal build, it just... doesn't seem to matter. That's not what he uses it for, and when it comes to making decisions on what path to take with your PC, that's honestly the best mindset you can have: deciding based on use case.
I loved this episode. I would love to see more episodes like this. The "about that 60 dollars" had me rolling!
The taller guy is very annoying!! He needs to grow up.
What was the boot time like? I've read complaints about super slow bootups with these cpu:s?
The other obvious benefit to going AMD which I'm disappointed they didnt point out is that AM5 has a long life ahead of them where the current Intel socket does not.
THIS. This is why I decided on AMD for my new build - I don't want to buy another motherboard in a few years....
a long life AND 3d v-cache cpus ahead
@@frederickmiller5492 Do you really upgrade your cpu every few years? I'm still rocking a first gen ryzen, lol.
@@CigsInABlanket I'm rocking a 4790k and a 6700k still. Gets the job done, haha.
@@Jerry-zz2eu I got a 1600x, thinking that I could always replace it with a later generation in a couple years. Never bothered, and never will lol.
I'm looking at getting a decade or more out of this system before building another.
I would have loved a power draw comparison as well.
Which system draws more at idle and which under load?
Are the efficiency cores making a difference or is the power management leveling the field anyway?
7950x is less power under load. The efficiency cores obviously help in the 13900k but it has 8 more of them than the AMD. I think 13900k has better idle consumption.
@@WaspMedia3D That would be my guess as well but i would have loved to see actual numbers.
@@asldfjkalsdfjasdf Under full load the 7950x will draw ~200w (250w with PBO) and the 13900k ~250w (~350w with power limits removed - which is default on most motherboards).
Gaming load 7950x ~90w and 13900k ~120w.
I can't recall the numbers for idle.
@@WaspMedia3D Thank You!
FYI... In USA / Canada our Breakers are 15 amp rated at 120v nominal for common outlets. That works out to 1800w maximum continuous load per circuit. (there are many other circuits at higher amperage and loads... I'm only discussing a typical residential outlet.)
Not enough volts.
Over 3KW from a standard residential socket here. Even more in Europe ~5KW? IIRC.
@@bassplaya69er How many volts are in your plug? I'm around 126-127... You could go 20 A circuit if you ran #12 for like a kitchen or something special...
@@kleetus92 230v - 240v, on 32A circuits is standard for domestic here, (UK) however every plug has a fuse inside up to 13A so just over 3kw per plug.
@@kleetus92 The spec calls for 120v. The voltage can range 5% before it's considered a problem. 127v is higher than usual.
@@bassplaya69er Linus was worried about 2 gaming computers on a standard outlet and was advised a maximum of 1500 watts. Residential breaker panels are 240v with 120v and 240v circuits for appropriate loads. Air conditioning, dryers, stoves and other high load items run at 240v and appropriate amperage breakers based on the wiring. Unfortunately we do not have fused based appliance cords.
This channel just keeps getting better with each video. 👏👏
I love the guy that come in to close the door at 14:51 as if to say "You kids are being too loud" and closes the door :P
9:01 Linus said "power supply", I heard "sponsor"
Bro I was searching for this comment😂
A power draw comparison would be nice =)
But why? It's a desktop.
@@gizConAsh because we pay for electricity? It doesn't mater if it's a server or desktop... In fact, desktops today draws way more energy then anything else, and is not that electricity is getting cheaper...🤑
You save 50$ on the build, to pay 100$ on electricity. That's why we need a power draw comparison.
I personally don't care about 5FPS more. Not gonna make you the winner anyways if you suck. Take Linus* as an example. 😂
For power draw I would go amd
@@gizConAsh ah yes. Desktops don't face thermal throttling or overheating.
@@gizConAsh Mom still pays your bills, eh? lol
Just switched over to team red. No reason why other than wanting to try something different. Was going to buy a $3k threadripper workstation from Lenovo but decided to just build on the 5900x. For a few dollars, I could have gotten the Lenovo.
Oh wells. I heard those thing were loud do I like my near silent 5900x build for now. Mainly used for rendering / work.
I'm glad to hear that you're liking it. :-)
Me too. I went from an i7-7700 to an R5 7700x.
3D cache will probably be coming around CES, but my old mobo was dying and I needed it now. With AM5, I should be able to upgrade the CPU at a lower cost in a year or two.
@@crash331 How do you like your 7700x Ryzen? That's the exact one I want for my next year's build. I'm still rocking a 2600x and it's good but it's aging. I'd like to move up to DDR5.
@@wombat5252 aging ? bro i had a fx 8350 from 2016 to last week
@@Celatra I don't know how you lasted so long on an FX 8350 lol I had an AMD FX and those things ran super hot and were not as good as their Intel counterparts.
1500w per outlet, 20a per circuit. And that 20a per circuit doesn't care if it's 2 computers on seperate outlets or 5 space heaters on a single power strip, both can blow a breaker (but also always plug heaters into the wall, power strips and extension cords get melty under that kind of load without blowing a breaker)
The history of Alt+F4 is quite interesting. I still fail to understand why anyone would remove this from a game or any software in fact. These days it's more hassle than it's worth 90% of the time as it's automatically assigned in most major game engines (Unreal Engine, Unity, CryENGINE etc). Heck even Game Maker has it by default!
Maybe because the troll thing to do was convince people to alt F4 lol.
@@JsGarage if you didn't know about it then somone telling you and you falling for it is doing you a favour because now you know about it and its not really something you fall for twice.
also it hardly counts as a 'troll' I'd argue system32 is more trollolol and even that is kind of passe today
When a game stops working it sometimes send data and error report back to developers in the background. Alt f4 stop that one from doing.
This one of that shity anti consumer things they do.
One BIG! difference between amd and intel aswell is that am5 is a new plattform, so you can keep youre Motherboard for coming CPU Generations, on the other side is intel Rapterlake with socket 1700, that is probably the last cpu that runs on this Motherboards.
(sorry for my englisch im from germany... haha)
Seasonic kicks ass. I still have my original power supply, which has outlived 2 motherboards, 3 CPU's and more than 10 years use with no sign of letting up.
I have one Seasonic that has been going for about 10 years now. :P It outlasted a few newer Corsairs, though the older ones were also made by Seasonic as the OEM, back when they also lasted forever.
you should do a programs open while playing test. This would help with practicality because i game with discord open most of the time and other programs and tabs. im sure others do too.
Man I love filling all the slots. Especially the old PCI that has to split speed between them. It was not enough though so I put in two proprietary PCI splitters from old Optiplexes
You sure like your slots filled
You guys should do a 13th Gen comparison between Windows 10 and Windows 11. I’m planning a new high end system, and would really prefer to run Windows 10. What has me leaning towards AMD is the fact that supposedly Windows 11 is needed for much better utilization of Intel’s E cores, and it’ll be interesting to see how the second generation E cores react. Gaming may still be a tie between the two platforms, but if I’m paying for all the cores, gosh darn it I want to use all the cores.
You are right in your thinking. Windows 11, if you are team blue, Windows 10 for team Red. Windows 11 is still crap on AMD. Weird jitters and hangups on AMD for Windows 11.
Or just run Linux and choose whichever you want.
@@slash2bot if you play games Linux should just be out of option
@@mrpiratefox4497 you can game on linux lol. it just depends if the games they play.
If you love a particular company, you will always find a way to justify the purchase, regardless of the facts.
Don't know why you'd prefer Win 10. Tabbed explorer is a godsend in Win 11.
If you really want to gimp yourself hard just so you can use Windows 10... go AMD I guess.
i just got my 7950x $150 off at Newegg for a daily deal (i also think the 7950 has dropped to a more reasonable permanent price) I was going to buy a 7900x and as I was placing it in the cart - the other chip went on sale. I was so shocked - I ended up buying the ROG x670e Crosshair to go with it (figured it was worth it since it will last me a few years). All I can say - I'm so glad I saved my stimulus check from last year - lol.
Linus, I see a lot of videos about AIO coolers in regards to how they are installed. You have yours with the pipes at the top, but I see a lot of CZcams channels saying this is incorrect. What are your thoughts about this?
17:10 Gamer mouth movements
I’ve watched a lot of Linus and the gang, a lot.
This is the 1st I’ve been able to say “I have that.”
I use the same Corsair Elite Hi150 AIO cooler for my i7 9700k.
Good to know it comes recommended for newer, and more powerful CPUs.😁
I have an N64, they had one in one of the gameshow videos
I can say it as well... "I have that 4090FE."...
Yeah unfortunately the H150i doesn't handle my oc 7950x terribly well, even with thermal grizzly kryo extreme. It sits at 85C on full load sucking about 200 watts at about 6 GHz. I would hate to see how hot the CPU stays with the 13900k. Tbh tho I debate doing a delid or liq metal to lower temps.
@@chrispersinger5422 No that's actually quite ok. Zen 4 is designed to thermally limited, so it'll boost as much as possible and stay at 95C. If you want better temperatures, you need better IHS or direct die cooling with a good waterblock.
@@Chopper153 yeah true, that extra thick heat spreader is kinda killing it's amazing perf there
Always wonder why people don't use ground straps when working on motherboards and other electrical components, not worried about ESD?
I've seen comments that Zen 4 feels crazy responsive in windows (J2C I think) - so it would be really interesting so see how the two compare in everyday responsiveness.
quite a few reviewers said that
Having just built a 7900X system it's my opinion that's not the case. Just upgraded from my ancient intel 4700K Windows 10 to the 7900X on Windows 11 and I really can't tell the difference in general windows use, I'm even running m.2 drives now and starting up browsers don't feel any snappier, which is what J2C was saying.
@@TangoMikeOscar The reason may be the Windows 11 and its stupid security quirks. My friend bought a laptop with Ryzen 5000 for his wife and he had like hilarious performance on W11 like waiting for start menu to open for 2 seconds each time. Just installing W10 made so huge difference that we even did not believe our eyes at first.