I'm Switching to AMD - AMD GPU Challenge Part 1
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It’s been over a DECADE since I’ve run an AMD graphics card in my system, but with me swearing off the 40 series from NVIDIA, it looks like it’s my only option for an upgrade this cycle.
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0:00 Intro
1:30 Less of a gongshow
2:20 Our choice of card
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5:40 Jake's upgrade (feat Arlo)
7:40 Luke's upgrade
8:42 Linus' turn
10:55 Something HAD to go wrong
13:20 Everything's FINE
14:54 The Halo test
16:16 Outro - Věda a technologie
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Are you guys team AMD or team Nvidia? Let us know down below!
I’m team Linus
Team AMD
AMD
Intel :D
nvidia but going amd
I love how all the problems on this video are not caused by the graphics card
That's the best part about it all.
it like ssd card over taking gen 4 slots in bios cause it crash because gpu was stealing back gen 4 so both cant work out with each other just ended up crashing
he wasnt only one who have it but few people have it too (few customers have that problem with 4080 or 4090 turn it on it crash at when window boot it crash)
i dont get it why only supports one gen 4 slots for reasons cant run two gen 4 slot at same time
And that’s exactly why I’ve gone on a Mac I’ve other stuff to do than to debug my freaking computer every time I want to do something with it !Edit:
Because all of you seems to hate me because I’ve said something positive about my Mac let’s clarify some stuff :
I'm a tech nerd as much as you guys (I am a software engineer after all), but it's just my POV, my mac has been the most stable machine I had in years.
And I’ve fixed a good amount for pcs for family and friends, but after spending my day chasing bugs I don’t want to troubleshoot my computer !
No, I'm not a desktop pc hater, I'm not a sheep either and I recognize that gaming on a Mac is meh.
However I have a desktop pc, I dual boot Fedora and Windows on mine and it's relatively recent (R7 2700X, 32gb 3200 ddr4, RX 5700XT).
I don't game as often as before so my Macbook is still my daily computer because I enjoy it more. (And with the current energy crisis, for the win the 15W TDP of M1)
But guys, you need to realize something, gaming is not the only thing people does on their computer...
Really makes me wonder how many people just blame AMD, when the issue was something else entirely.
I've used AMD cards since AMD cards were a thing, lol. Never experienced all the "drive problems" people claim have been a thing. Maybe I'm just lucky.
I used a couple of Nvidia cards as well, and no problems there. Really love some of the features of both of them, and wish there were alternatives. AMD's Chill is completely underrated.
WELL ACXHUALLY,
If they hadn't upgraded nothing would have happened 🤣
Jk
What I've learned in this video:
- Don't turn off your PC randomly multiple times, especially when you don't know what it's doing
- Just because your motherboard has a bunch of slots for stuff doesn't mean it can actually handle you populating most of them at once
- If all else fails pop off that battery for a bit
- New GPU's are freaking power hogs
- Update your drivers
- Luke really doesn't care as long as it works, a man after my own heart
And Jake is comfortable using his stomach as a mouse pad
what ive learned is i want to see a linus lets play channel
The most recent AMD driver update has resulted in a bunch of bsod loops btw... Only update when you know the release is stable
@@craigcyr5800 Its got plush wrist support
This is one thing jankiest hardware episodes I've seen. They're not even trying to install properly. It's like they're trying to sabotage AMD and make AMD look bad.
And we can see that if they're going to put the GPU lying on top of the case then there's no way they will be running these cards long term. And they are making it blatantly obvious. Not even trying.
And this is the same person who a few days ago put out a labs video trying to say how they're going to be professional in their labs.
Methodical? No.
Between 3 of them they can't install 3 GPUs properly.
LTT used to be fun and capable. But it's starting to look very tabloidy and dumb.
Jake is the person who keeps Linus from being too serious. And it definitely makes for good content.
he just needs gym and barber
Did we miss Part 2 / the conclusion? I did see mention in another video that this challenge was going on with very little issues. It's been 2 months now!
yeah
I guess they forgot about the challenge and went back to nvidia LMAO
@@Nyicles yeah and they just left them in their rigs probably maybe they didnt make a video because it would be boring just "hey guys we had no problems and the cards are excellent"
@@bigcheesetxmedia they said they had no problems
Guess everything is going so fine that it's not a challenge anymore and they're just staying at AMD's.
imagine being able to bonk your boss repeatedly with an 1000 dollar GPU with no consequences
I mean who doesn’t like being slapped with money
My boss loves those bills but only because it improves the workplace security or convenience 🙂
Jake is part of the family, probably lives in linus’s basement.
I hit him so hard my boss forgot my face so it was fine
you mean get paid to do what he asked you to do for the shot?
Linus: "I am doing an AMD challenge!"
Jake: "I am doing an AMD challenge and only have to modify my system a bit."
Luke: "Scrapyard wars it is."
I swear, anything tech related with Luke has to be as jank as possible.
@@Vortex1988 Yeah, I believe Luke actively goes out of his way to find the most jank solution possible.
Wish they'd do Scrapyard Wars again. Those were awesome!
@@bladactania 100%, I do miss Scrapyard Wars.
@@XTJ7 Unfortunately Scrapyard Wars wasn't profitable enough. Despite how many people say they want it the actual videos didn't perform well enough for the amount of effort/cost, this is an unfortunate side effect of their success. In addition to the cost and profit of the individual videos they also have to consider how each video will effect the rest, the algorithms are heartless beast. The only hope is if they do something on a side channel but for now they don't have the spare capacity. Luke's also way over booked right now as he's managing both Floatplane and acting as chief technology officer (CTO) for LMG.
So many great memories of time spent with my older brother building machines in the late 90s and early 2000s. Yeah the technology is WAY more advanced(and expensive), but I'm glad to see a key lesson I learned all those years ago still applies today: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. By making a tiny GPU jump respective to the time input this took, you introduced absolute chaos into your system and caused tons of downtime. This is why I tell people to just build a separate machine when it's time to upgrade, and BEFORE your current rig actually fails. Especially when using "cutting edge" hardware or features, you have to expect the unexpected. Hell, I didn't even have XMP working on last year's system build until this week when the BIOS was finally updated to support it! Fun video, thanks!
It's much simpler than that. When changing something, just back up your $hit, & U may have 2 remove other things & put them back on 2 get the 'interrupts' playing nice =) Don't need different 'hardware', but literally 'back up your registry' is enough.
dawg I don't understand people that upgrade their GPU every new release, I've had a GTX 1660 for the past 4-5 years and only now am I thinking about upgrading/building a whole new PC
Except the builld a new machine part. I've swapped GPUs multiple times with no issues.
Honestly it's a shame how many gamers isolate themselves from AMD products, when it really has nothing wrong with it. Similar concept is calling the use of AMD cards a "challenge"
Because of their bad game optimization. Not sure if it’s fine now.
@@zzzyyy5034how exactly does it has bad game optimization?
@@AlamoOriginal I guess he meant power efficiency, maybe ??
@@zzzyyy5034 i call bs compare the rx 6600xt and non and rtx 3060 and rtx 3060ti and you'd see amd has better power efficiency. bad game optimization? did you even watch the first minute of linus saying about amd fine wine with over the years driver optimizations, and most of the time AMD driver issues are caused by windows 10 updates idk about win 11. even compare for raw performance to price ratio AMD wins in rasterization performance and don't forget the RX 6700xt has higher memory size than the 3070 the only reason nvidia is still being shilled and the go-to for braindead nvidia fans are because NVIDIA has been a on top of GPU industry for over two decades now and people are assured by its performance regardless of price for the less-than-caring consumers since while it may serve actual users who need beefy gpu for 3d animation, rendering and other AI related things. and don't forget that nvidia was the one that introduced the Ray Tracing and made it popular but didn't give enough vram for those 70s series and the new 4060 since it's more vram intensive with RT on, but nvidia fans will always be nvidia fans even though rasterization performance is near perfection for lighting effects and in its current state Ray tracing isn't even worth it for the average users. your comment saying "amd cards has bad game optimization" is just lazy, misleading, one-sided and just pure shilling.
@Fredhash amd is quite poorly optimized in a lot of games because they tend to favor Nvidia. Theres times where my 7900xtx will struggle to match my friends with Nvidia cards simply because of drivers.
My PC is the best out of all my friends but depending on the game my friends with nvidia will beat me out usually only in terms of stability. Very rarely do they beat my performance unless it's ray tracing which amd still sucks at. Also VR support on amd card is garbage from 6000 series up. Quest link will say your system isn't able to run min specs because there is no official support for the 7000 series at all
I've been on team red from the 5700xt. If it wasn't for the prices being better I would've gone back to team green
Love how Jake drilled new holes in his bracket to raise the reservoir when he could have just... turned the bracket 180 degrees and used the original holes
Exactly what I was thinking. Now I wasn't there so I can't say for sure that would have worked. It could be that it would have resulted in a either to low or to high situation as there were a limit to how high the reservoir could be installed. Now it ended up just about as high as it could be installed as it was just touching the loop at the top. And there weren't a ton of space between the res and the GPU.
Still I'd like to think that he did test that before he started drilling...
Came here to say this 😂
I knew someone else would notice it. Not disappointed :)
TAG LTT 😂
jake is the type to just drill holes because its more fun than not drilling holes
I love how Luke is extremely tech-savvy, experienced in building computers, and is wealthy, but still has the most jankey, cobbled together mess of a desktop set-up I've ever seen. 🤣
I doubt he is wealthy. More or less we'll off.
@@doomy_doomy2225 You don't believe that a co-founder of LMG and CEO of the extremely successful platform Floatplane has made Luke wealthy?
@@DaroffApFire well off = 100k-300k AUD a year imo. wealthy and rich are interchangeable for me difference is conduct tbh. If he's is I don't think he would be far in tbh (wealthy/rich)
@@shitcunt2658 what kind of monopoly money are you talking about?
@@DaroffApFire At best he's middle class to upper middle class. Wealthy would mean high 8 to low 9 figures.
I've pretty much had all these issues before at some point when "just trying to install a new PCI-e card" on a PC, so it's satisfying to see someone else having to go through the lovely experience of hours of troubleshooting just to get the PC back into order.
Had to spend 2 hours troubleshooting what ended up being a bad psu when I first got my 3070, also had my old 970 nearly destroyed a PCI-e slot, nothing can ever go wrong in tech land 😂
The last time I had an AMD card was the FX8320 back when I was in highschool. I recently decided it was time to upgrade and settled on the Gigabyte 3080 TI OC. Well after having to RMA not one, but two of them, I decided to put my foot down, and saw the 6950 XT was outperforming the 3080 Ti and switched to AMD. Zero issues, loving this AMD card.
Honestly this whole episode felt like an ol' Linus episode from around a decade ago.
These guys never miss, I swear
not really, his old episodes were not him fighting with a giant hairball system full of custom watercooling and convoluted RAID setups creating nightmares whenever you replace anything. That being said; the videocards these days are just too damn big, a 4090 would have gone as well.
@@anasevi9456 same vibe, pricier hardware
@@anasevi9456 A 4090 is a totally different league of too big. One, the 7900XT, is just big in the same way a 5700XT or 3080 or 6800XT was big. The other is literally a meme that can't fit in people's cases and has that stupid af dongle that "it only bursts into flames if you bend it tho" :proceeds to place it exactly where you HAVE TO bend it against the glass:
RTX 4080, 4070ti, and 4090 are possibly the *worst* value graphics accelerators to have ever been made. RTX 4090 is also the second 90 to literally burst into flames. Imagine getting a 3090 or 4090 and burning your whole PC down. Well money doesn't matter to you, so it surely shouldn't matter right)))
@@anasevi9456 They are on about the style of video.
Mitch, you share my dads first name and our last name. Hi dad.
Luke was always one of my favorite characters from the LTT Prequel Universe. Glad to see that they're bringing him back occasionally.
Alex is my favourite now days but I'll always love Luke too
Anthony 🫡
I still remember when he did GPU reviews at 1080p and CPU reviews at 4K, lol. The exact opposite of how you should do it.
Nicky V is best guy.
i lov luke as well
if you use 2 power supply's you must run a jumper between earth pins on both supplies to standardize GND across both suppiles. Likely a different in potential to ground was causing unexcepted under voltage across the load of both supplies.
I've had no issues with my seasonic PSU. I don't think it's ever turned on the fan, and I know I have the fan enabled. Very happy with the product thus far.
I plan to go with AMD this generation, Nvidia seems out to lunch with prices. Maybe the 4060 won't be crazy priced, but I'm certainly not holding my breath. I'll likely be in the market for a 7700xt or maybe 7800 depending on price/performance metrics. Hoping they release them sooner than later, the quadro k4200 I'm using isn't exactly great for games, but the price was right.
I like how Linus is just now learning that most people in competitive games play every mode like it's team deathmatch instead of actually completing the objectives
"guys the objective"
"they cant get if they arent alive"
And how easy it is sometimes to win the game by completing objectives because the enemy doesn't expect it.
@@anchorbubba Not wrong. XD
The best way to complete the objectives is to kill the other team.
@@anchorbubba Me whenever I play ARAM in HoTs. We can waste our time getting mercs or we can wipe their entire team! Then you have those people who stick with the minions no matter what like they're part of the herd.
It's incredible how changing a graphics card for LTT is always way more complicated than it should be.
Not far off from my experience. Came from a 1660 to this and I had to play with power tools cause I didn’t want to buy a case 🤣
Only for Linus anyway. Luke and Jake configuration might seem abnormal for a normal user but common for gamers.
Don't use water cooling, don't interrupt windows updates in the middle, and don't use sus raids = you'll be fine.
@@artjomarefjev3599 so what if you encounter a few issues, who cares?
/j
Someone who cares.
Had a really hard time finding someone to do the RX 7900 XFX Merc310 20GB GPU but ive heard nothing but amazing things about it being competitive with the 3080 on 1440 and even the 4080/90 series. Would love to see a review on this while I wait weeks for a new Motherboard :/
Built my first PC this weekend. Got both a AMD GPU and CPU, got starfield for free and am loving both the CPU and GPU. Great price to performance.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I really love when we get handheld footage, like with Jake and Luke's build comments. It's not as polished as having a proper camera and operator, but it feels more relaxed/unscripted, like an old-school vlog
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Its why I actually started watching Linus, I like the more personal feel of the videos. If it goes overboard with production, its less interesting.
Imagine complaining about high quality content..
I also hate listening to Linus's annoying voice most of the video, so its a nice change.
Luke’s approach just made me laugh.
Literally out of the box thinking - it doesn’t fit, leave it out. It trips the PSU, use another one. 😂
That was Jake's setup
@@Allurade definitely Luke. Jake just raised his reservoir to fit the GPU IN the case.
Yup, Luke's the one with rocks in his PC. And yeah, I actually burst out laughing when the camera panned up to the GPU, and it turned into a cackle with the PSU reveal. Absolute delicious jank.
@@Allurade that was Luke's setup, with the second power supply just for the graphics card. it's super jank and he loves it that way. hes discussed it on the WAN show several times
Are we going to get a Part 2?
I love when he said “Part 1” and never uploaded a part 2
As much as Luke is busy doing other stuff, he is still absolute top tier on-screen talent for this channel/company. He is just so damn personable. Glad to see more of him once again.
You are in love?
@@Robin-Visser lol, no. Just appreciate good hosts.
That GPU mount is everything but professional. And Linus allowed it to be in the video? Very unprofessional and really cringe.
@@LaskaiTamas23.....have you ever watched this channel before? THEY LITERALLY SET A COMPUTER ON FIRE FOR A VIDEO
@@mura_saki So? It does not mean they always have to have janky methods. I mean... seriously? That was the only solution? To mount a 1000 USD GPU on the top of his case? He put 0 effort into it. Looks garbage. I would be ashamed to release a video with this kind of method.
Been rocking the 6800XT since 2020, upgraded from a 2080. I have genuinely had no complaints, and the performance uplift was very nice.
same story here my only complaint is my card can have a high hotspot temp sometimes
Surprised it felt like that much of an upgrade. I guess as long as RT isn't a priority though.
I got a 6800XT late last year and it’s been excellent. Upgraded from a 6600XT that I got a few months prior which replaced my RX580. It’s been a huge improvement every step and I don’t see myself switching off of AMD any time soon
I've had a 4090 suprim liquid x since release and it truly is amazing. ultra graphics on everything at under 55C no matter what
I have a 6800 now for a Year and the Performance gets better and Better!
Sometimes AMD GPUs are just underrated
I just got myself a Sapphire 7900 XTX recently, and am absolutely in love with it.
It completely curb-stomps my aging 2080 ti, and the Adrenalin suite is so much better than Nvidia's GeForce "Experience" (It certainly was one.)
Gone completely team Red, which I haven't been with for years in terms of GPU, with a 5950x & 7900 XTX combo, and have been having a great time.
You have truly ascended.
If I am ever forced to use an Nvidia card again I dread the moment of having to use Nvidia's ancient control panel.
@UltraGamerGaurang Well, it wasn’t keeping up with the settings and framerate I wanted to play at, so, yeah, to me it was aging.
@@FlaMan407 have fun with bad drivers and no good gaming or productivity features then
@@Zeqweery Believe it or not some of us use our PCs strictly for gaming. Why should I care about productivity/streaming features that I won't use ?
Almost a month ago, I'm really curious how your AMD GPU endeavor is going so far!
Imagine a computer upgrade going smoothly.
it would if they had not got watercooling (except Linus...because he is Linus)
my last one was smooth af
That's about as likely as Nvidia actually getting their act together, FIRING their shitty leadership, OUSTING the Shareholders that encourage their anti-competitive behavior, issuing an apology to the world FOR their shitty behavior, and actually actually being a decent company that other companies like EVGA WANT to partner with.
Seriously, someone really needs to slap Nvidia with legal action
someone needs to slap nvidia with a competetive gpus so this bs can go away
Yeah I was gonna say, my last driver update on my RX580 made my processor run 15% at idle, so if he expects bug free drivers from AMD he might be setting unrealistic expectations. I went like 3 days without being able to run a single tab of chrome smoothly. Granted it was fixed, but yeah, for three days my computer was frustratingly slow, and I thought it might be a failing component until the driver was patched and I did the match about when it started to slow down. Overall it's probably better, but also, it's computers, nothing is perfect.
It is really impressive how somehow you guys manage to find computer problems that, even with your expertise, you can't figure out. Congratulations!
Theres always those edge cases that are a nightmare to find.
@Denam lmfao
Becoming more experienced at computers really just means that you run into increasingly cursed problems
Everyone assumes that "computer people" never have problems like this because they always know how to fix everything. In reality, we're always building things in the most complicated ways we can think of using the most exotic components available, partly for the modest tangible benefits but if I'm being honest mostly just to learn how it all works, so there are always things going wrong in hard to diagnose ways.
Do I really need WPA enterprise authentication for my Wifi network? No. But I know how to configure it now, and I could potentially assign specific devices to their own VLANs without using dedicated SSIDs if I ever feel like I need to. And sometimes my phone will stop connecting, because the TLS certificate on the RADIUS server expired, and the certbot deploy hook stopped working in an OS update a month ago (or maybe I switched to a different cron implementation and it's not even running. Or I changed something on the machine hosting DNS...)
Yeah like the dude drilling inside his case and not cleaning up. Boot the computer and has the fans just blow that shit all over the place. Give it a while; one of the metal pieces is gonna find its way to short something out.
Team AyyMD all the way. Been running an Sapphire R9 Fury on my main computer at least 2 years. Got it used for 90$ and pretty sure it was used to mine because the ethereum DAG grew past 4gb at about the same time I found it but it still works like a champ. Will probably keep using it till it will completely die since I don't see a need for a newer one. Changed the thermal paste on it when I got it and it was like new
I love your videos dude. I've been following you for years, and I just love your work. When it comes to choose between AMD and NVIDIA, I love them both, really. I've been running both AMD and NVIDIA in my systems up through the years. And actually I think AMD deserve all they get :)
Every time I watch these videos, I am constantly reminded how happy I am that I'm a dev who games and works on a giant black box rig that has 2x the space needed for all my PC parts. Also, I don't water cool anything cause I'm lame and that makes my life simple and boring... just the way I like it.
It is sure as hell entertaining watching them overcome all these insane bottle necks (sometimes literally) just to upgrade a GPU lol
The problem is not the cases being small, it's gigabyte putting a 550W cooler on a 350w GPU
And here I am with a SFF case with *way* too much stuff crammed in it. At least it makes shopping for motherboards easy, by the time I filter by chipset, mITX and compatibility there's always like 2 options heh
Yeah, my full tower and 4090 AIO card is nice and stress free.
Just built a lian li v3000 monstrosity here. Plenty of real estate left after a 4090, 64TB NAS, 2 x 420mm rads, 30mm rad shrouds, optimus d5 res, and my old giga chad 1600W Hercules psu installed. I used to just mount everything on a old 60's typing table I spray painted because no cases on the market would fit everything, ran open air for 14 years or so since my X58 Classified build. This is the first time being able to build my stuff into a tower lol
Hell yeah, Brother. Simple and Boring is the life to live, keep the interesting for the nights down the local with the squad.
Seasonic are the real ones for being the only company to be able to cough up the money for Linus to bleed red for 10 minutes.
They are also the company you should avoid for new GPUs, they have really bad transient handling. Good sponsorship LTS, money is all.
9:16 this is why I found myself an FC8 Alpha case. You don't need a riser if there's on open slots for any card at most 1 centimeter, which so happen to be: HD60 Pro, GT 1030, and Pulse RX 6400, they all fit.
Nah.. Rosewill Thor is the case.
when's part 2? its been more than 30 days
Nice! Also, if you keep the AMD GPU, you can do another Linux Challenge. Lots has happened with Linux in the past year and AMD is ALOT more stable and usable + more features then the crappy nVidia driver on Linux.
Yep. Would be pretty cool. I daily drive Linux and switching to an AMD card and their open source drivers felt like a breath of fresh air!
That montage of Linus randomly turning computers off was great lol
And then sitting around on the floor while waiting is super relatable too
I swear, they set themselves up for some of these problems. I have an Phanteks Enthoo pro case to avoid literally *all* of the space issues you guys had. In my coming upgrade I'll be switching entirely to nvme M2 Drives and maybe one or two SDDs for Mass storage. (Like, 8+ TB SDD drives purely for pictures and work stuff that I don't need the high transfer rate for).
But yeah, full tower case every time, lots of space for me to work in (Big hands) and I was able to fit the Red Devil 7900XTX with just a little bit of finaggling.
6:25 exactly why I will always go with full / cabinet tower cases. enver ever have to worry about space issues. same with never going with closed loop water cooling.
8:55
Linus: "These people set me up for failure, you know
Jake: "it doesn't take much"
It makes me feel so much better about myself seeing tech pros struggle with tech stuff.
"So much better" is a stretch and a bit toxic imo. A "sigh of relief" is more appropriate.
@@avedinamling8320 telling someone how to speak because you dont like the words they used is a bit toxic imo. and I feel SO MUCH BETTER telling you.
It's really all manufactured struggling for a video.
@@avedinamling8320 how do you know its a stretch? weird asf to perform an unprompted psychoanalysis of some random on youtube just to tell them that they don't know how they feel and are toxic.
>ermm... ackshually you DON'T feel so much better, that is a toxic and blatant stretch through and through. don't be toxic on youtube grrr!!!1!!1 >:((( you have to say "sigh of relief instead"!!! so toxic!!!
@@avedinamling8320 social skills 101 🤡
The last time I had an AMD graphics was back when it was ATI which was on a "gaming" laptop back when I was right out of basic training in 2008. That little computer handled games way better than I expected and it served me well for a few years till I got into Nvidia-powered laptops in college. Recently, I decided to pick up a 7900 XTX and jump ship again and see how it fairs.
How has your XTX been holding up? I’m thinking of getting one myself. Is the power draw really that bad? Also, thank you for your service!
@@tdm17mn So, I did end up downgrading to a 7800XT as the power draw was too much for my SFF PSU. Granted, I had the one that comes with the NZXT H1v2. It would cause shutters and would occasionally shut the computer off or restart it. The PSU fan would also scream after gaming. With the 7800XT, it's been a non-issue. Now if you have a ATX set up, it shouldn't be an issue.
I love how the clip of Luke you play at 1:00 is him on top of his old Pontiac Sunfire when it broke down, and he used the mudflap from to mount his water pump in his old pc “squirtle”
F3 is a very common error to see when swapping hardware on a machine and all that should be needed is to use the CMOS reset button. It's usuually because the the i/o cache still has the swapped device but it's detecting a new device in its place and the BIOS won't boot because of it.
I'll try to remember this for future reference. Placing in vault.
@m_train1 that’s a new one for me, that’s a pretty cool tip, obvious really when you think about it, which obviously I didn’t, but I love learning new things so thank you 👍
Caches across reboots and power offs?
Isn't it plain easier to turn off fast boot options so hardware detect is done properly.
I've been rebuilding and just shutting down via "Reset this PC" and picking UEFI options or power off avoids losing the configuration.
The chaos whenever Jake, Linus, or Alex interact with either of each other is immense! We are all here for it 😂
I had AMD Excalibur card from 2002 so statement about AMD doing dedicated graphics since 2006 is wrong
I think 06 was when AMD bought ATI
@@zachstraw8832make sense
Awaiting results of the AMD challenge. Hasn’t it been a month already?
still waiting.... haha. will actually be my decision making to go AMD or NVIDIA GPU wise
@@MenOfWarCSS we are waiting in the same boat man, curious of their feedback
What do you expect here really? AMD cards work just as well as Nvidia cards. It only comes down to whether you need to use ray tracing in games. But for that there are benchmark graphs already.
As a Software Engineer, this video really felt like a Scrum call more than a GPU challenge video 🤣
To me it just sounded like another ad campaign
@@pepijnbakker1943 theres always one of yall on these vids lol
@@KookoCraft you aint wrong lol I just find it hard to take anything serious these days on these omni sponsored channels but other than that the comment is just venting water in the ocean ;)_
@@deegeeooh How??? LTT is super transparent about sponsorships. They are clearly sponsored by Seasonic only for this 🤦♂🤦♂
@@zeus-tt4gp I mean last generations cards were tit for tat with nvidia 30 series in rasterization performance, and it’s pretty close this generation as well. None of the problems Linus ran into were from the card or amd drivers so quality isn’t an issue here either. The only thing nvidia has big over them is ray tracing.
loved the shot of the Alex Fraser Bridge. never have I ever wanted to get out of my car anywhere near there to pose for a photo/video lol. very creative - I'm not being sarcastic I actually really like it.
I bought this gpu on December and it works perfectly. Quality guaranteed 100%, i love it. I havent had any problems with it so far. And luckily, i didnt get a defective one, some of them would melt themselves lol but mine works perfectly well
Edit: my amd 7900 xtx was from the first batch amd put to sell, so it looks a bit different to linus' amd 7900 xtx
I'm team 'whatever is best price per performance'. Currently still using a 5700xt I got in mar 2020 and absolutely hated it for the first 6 months. Been solid since they put out some stable drivers.
Fine wine at the finest 🍷
I feel ya bro
I wanted an nvidia for my very first built gaming pc, but could not find one for a decent price, so I had to settle for a 6650xt. I am now waiting for it. I just hope it works out fine.
@@starbound100 just keep in touch with the community, u will love it
6 months!?!?! So the money you "saved" cost you 6 months of a usable product? I don't see any value there. I would definitely pay more for peace of mind and functionality. Lol.
I am constantly building PCs. And even with completely identical builds THERE CAN be absolutely different problems. I really think that for some builds you HAVE TO shed your blood to get it working properly.
yeah its called the B.O.B. (Blood Offer Bug) where there is a blood offer needed to appease the pc building gods into letting the pc work
I've had to 'McGyver' computers. They had to be delivered to a customer, so I had to work hard to overcome physical mounting issues without ending up with parts outside the chassis.
It's kind of fun solving problems. I made a crude suction device once to catch metal shavings while dremeling inside a server case. That was not fun.
Best is when you start removing things, issue not rectified, then go back to the way it was and all is suddenly fine. 25 years of dealing with computers and I still don't understand them.
@@Tomazack yeah, just rebuild everything exactly the same way and boom, problem is gone
I'm definitely curious about this. I'm always firmly on team "whoever is offering a better value at the time", though like Linus I haven't used an AMD card as a main for a while now. I'm definitely ready to switch if it's the right time for it though.
I've had red and green. Even bought the one that gives me 2 free games. But my eyes are on Intel Blue. I think Blue has nothing to lose. The big cpu manufacturer has money to blow. It's hard to see them fail in the long run.
@@rexyoshimoto4278 it has the same die as 3070, give them time to optimize the driver and they should be good to go
I'd like to see Linus try out the AMD HDMI 2.1 hooked up to a monitor via USB-C! If that could be done, then THAT is an AMD advantage - as of now.
7:40 The conflicting solutions of Jake and Luke fixing the same problem is hilarious 😂
AMD RX6600... first video card I have bought in probably a decade. Also featuring AMD Ryzen 5 5600G processor, Gigabyte Aorus B550 Pro P Mobo, 16Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200 powered by a seasonic 620 Bronze all wrapped up in a Montech Air 1000 Premium case. Will be test driving it later.
What happend with the rest of the AMD Challenge? Im still waiting lol
The pure enjoyment and gigling from Jake when Linus realize he has to use the riser is hilarious. Then the look on Linus's face when he's being hit with boxes. It looks like he's thinking "why me, why did we adopt this adult child". 🤣
KEEP DOING THESE 30 DAY CHALLENGES!!!
This is the best thing after benchmarking for us customers to know how a product would be in the long run, thank you and keep these 30 days challenges coming!
Lol AMD is only good if you will run modern and future games, many older titles are shyt or can’t run properly on Win 10 or 11
Let alone if you wish to emulate, sure it’ll reach the goal but nothing like Nvdia just leave AMD to the consoles and handhelds lol
Like they say “NVDIA the way it’s meant to be played” 😂🤯
Originally wTched this channel before I got my 6800U Mini Pro but wow If people can’t see that he’s an affiliate just promoting every new trend then y’all ain’t buying shyt or will end up wasting you money = that’s how he gets paid
They need to get their hands on that chinese gpu that is supposedly equivalent to the 3060 and do a 30 day challenge with that.
@@Zardif ??I have amd and it runs older games just fine..
@@hakasonma8588 man just blantanly spitting lies rofl
@@Zardif yep Linus released a video recently reviewing one of these Chinese GPU you speak of.
I had a really bad experience with the vapor chamber issues coming from a 2060 to a 7900xtx….but I decided to give team red another try and got the prev gen 6900xt and it was so worth it for the savings and I came with two free games :D
I'm looking to upgrade from my 1080ti ftw3 to a 7900 xtx. What were the problems with the vapor chamber?
@@thisGuy481 so the problem was mainly on oc variant of the card and when that problem was discovered amd pulled the cards of the self to fixed it
@@thisGuy481 just get stick with nvidia
@@GastonVillalpando Yeah I ended up just getting a 4090
@@thisGuy481 glad to hear that
Man, I've had those bootup issue like Linus was having. I think its a combination of things. The new UEFI rather than legacy BIOS. Never had issues with booting using the good old BIOS instead of thes new(ish) UEFI. Back in the day, you just went into your BIOS to point where it wants to boot from. UEFI is similar, but now we have windows boot monitor getting in on the action. Adding in RAID doesn't help either. I had a new AM4 system I had a hell of a time getting RAID to work. I'd get windows installed fine, but when it rebooted to start windows for the first time,, I'd keep getting that recovery screen. The fix was to turn off raid, reboot, then turn it back on, reboot, then the option to boot to RAID actually appeared in the boot options. It could have been issues with the early MB firmware(It was Ryzen 1 when it 1st came out). Took me a weekend to get my PC up and running. That was my 1st time dealing with UEFI over legacy, and its probably why Im still salty about UEFI.
I had a similar USB cutout issue that was resolved by updating chipset drivers. It's a good reminder to update *everything* when you change your build.
I have the same issue on my laptop and occurs when I'm connected to Bluetooth headset, and mouse USB receiver is connected .
+1 for chipsrt drivers. Whenever you upgrade,or even annually, it's worth trying to update everything you possibly can. Only thing you can maybe skip is your BIOS, provided it's already working and there aren't new features you want, everything else is worth an update
I did update to latest chipset drivers but still no change, it problem goes away if I disconnect my Bluetooth headset, Apparently I read its due to the wireless Bluetooth interference with usb3, and it's long known to happen
Luke's approach to (not)mounting the card was just brilliant
The problem for me is which one to buy. 6950 XT is as low as 630 EUR currently. 7900 XT is 30% more expensive but only offering like 15% more performance. The XTX is 67% more expensive and offering 35% more performance. I really love to have the best performance, but the price increase is hard to swallow.
Where are the follow ups to the challenge?
I upgraded from a RX590 to a 3060ti a couple months ago, and I can say I'm happy with the performance and all, I just miss the software. Having all in one app was great and now I appreciate AMD even more for that
I switched from 1050ti 4gb to rx 580 8gb, the first thing I noticed is that the software is actually usefull and easy to use.
@@takomusic1 Yeah, It took me awhile to get used to NVIDIA control panel
@@takomusic1 Right click, AMD software. All the tabs are super intuitive. Getting to my fan curves is simple, setting up profiles for different games is simple, and overclocking and boosting performance is simple.
I really like my 580 and I'm scared for when it comes time to upgrade. It's treated me really well for a long time now. I don't think I'd consider Nvidia with all the bugs and performance issues. That's not to say every software update has been peachy... a recent driver update on the 580 had my R5 3600 running at 15% at idle. Two days later it was fixed, but for like two days my computer struggled to open a chrome tab and I was sweating my ass off thinking something was failing. OTHER THAN THAT, peaches.
@@MarwinEwert Nvidia control panel works fine, i dont know how easy to use AMD's equivalent is though.
However this is important, i urge anyone to AVOID Geforce experience and get the drivers on your own of Nvidias website.
Used Geforce Experience for years on 2 pc's, especially on my previous desktop with a 1070 and i ended up getting BSOD's after just a year or so, random BSOD, it was horrible.
Uninstalled the drivers and Ge Experience then got the drivers off the website, and all was fine. :)
its just a nasty program, you got no idea what driver youre actually installing.
@@Erikcleric that's the problem "works fine" is what makes NVIDIA not update this awful thing. AMD has one app for everything, with a decent UI (not a win XP like), where you can set everything up, monitors, graphics, performance, live streaming, recordings, fan curves, GPU overclock.... The list goes on. It's one app that can do ANYTHING you need, NVIDIA needs to update their stuff, at this point it's just outdated and not efficient
12:16 : I know exactly how this feels .... if you're a long long long time pc builder/tinkerer etc you definitely had these sort of moments
So, the follow up? This was two months ago....
Love this kind of thing. "The computer isn't working and I don't know why". So frustrating, but you come up with theories, test those theories, and it works or it doesn't. Then, new theories, then, etc.
I think when it comes to tech videos, it's just as important to see what doesn't work as what does. The approach that didn't work for the host may be one that does work for you, and you wouldn't have thought to try it without seeing them try first.
It's a fun and sobering experience. I had late nights of trying to figure out what's going on with my shit along with my friends over beer and when we did it was the biggest shot of dopamine I've had that month.
Welp that's troubleshooting in a nutshell. Keep chipping away at the potential problems until something sticks.
That's called Troubleshooting
I think it's crazy how fast we're moving with computers. Just in the past half decade we've came a very very long way. My system was a rather mid range build in 2017, a mid range system these days is more than I would ever need to play some games. Money really does talk.
I just went from a 1060 6gb to a 3060 and very much noticed this
tbf Moore's Law was at full throttle for awhile, but now with that slowing down, there actually needs to be some engineering ingenuity apart from "PACK MORE SMALLER TRANSISTORS." Even with the RTX40 series, the form factor is getting beyond consumer levels for a consumer level product. I'd say the next few years should reveal how the trend will change, but I think many expect it to slow down, myself included.
Video cards have been focusing on 4k for years and im still on 1080p, so any new card is a huge upgrade and i will be able to play mostly everything on ultra quality.
Just bought an used 2060super and im anxious to see how better it will be over my rx580 :D
@@pragavirtual huge upgrade from a 580!
@PepsiMan2333 I'm just saying since PC gaming has gotten more popular it seems like the better performance gets each year, more money is more funding to put towards making better products.
if the drive is fresh and you still get the error that relates to your drive, then it could be the nvme configuration in the slots used by your main drive. you have to switch it back to optimized defaults and remove any traces of the old configuration and reenable TPM 2 if it's not on by default (for win11 to successfully install)
linus could have forgotten he switched to an amd card i guess and never made an update video.
Also had a HD3870. It was a good card for the money. I finally got back to AMD with the RX6800 XT, since AMD just works on Linux. Best thing to happen to me since I met my wife.
What do you do with the 6800xt in linux?
@@horatiopong Whatever you do with graphics cards I guess. Gaming, for example.
@@horatiopong probably gaming, seeing as AMD compute is still a ways behind Nvidia for both usability and penetration and GPU crypto has finally done the right thing and died an undignified death
Nvidia works on Linux as well.
Also, I think your wife is banging the neighbor, he has a real PC.
Linus has a thing to always get the most temperamental hardware to home
People who know tech have the weirdest tech issues because they know enough to be dangerous with their tech, but there’s too much to be an general expert on most of it.
His setup is so personalized with the most niche hardware requirements and janky configurations. Like his home, all this complexity makes something that SHOULD be easy so much more difficult to troubleshoot.
That's what you get when you use such a niche non-tested combination of top of the line new hardware like Linus personal setup.
My line is "don't go to cheap to be the bottom 1% user and don't go to expensive to be the top 1% user" since both will lead you to chaos
Where is part 2?
Still waiting for part 2
👇
I can't wait for the update after they've been using it for a bit. I've been on the 7900 XTX since launch and it is an awesome card. I've really only had some weird driver timeout issues but those have been more isolated on one game. the more recent driver updates have been great as well.
The new 7900xtx drivers are complete garbage went from a 3080ti evga to an7900xtx taichi card error after error black with white and driver timeout every single time.
New bios new ios clean installs.
Returning this garbage.
@@Gh0stSh3lls my Taichi works incredibly well.
@@Gh0stSh3llsMy XFX 7900XTX runs fine with the last 3 driver releases, except high power usage on idle with my monitors.
@@Gh0stSh3lls It's your power supply or the cable leading to the GPU more than likely.
I love this video. Luke's solution is epic. Really shows how water cooling and expandability are mutually exclusive.
Solution: water cooling block on GPU
This is coming from someone who prefers air cooling lol
I seem to recall seeing other videos where folks tried to swap GPU water blocks and still ran into issues where the blocks don't align perfectly.
I think his name is Jake?
@@radugrigoras I'm pretty sure they mean Luke's solution with 2 PSUs and a ridiculous riser cable because his reservoir was in the way at 7:42
Recently swapped from a watercooled EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 to a watercooled Gigabyte Aorus 6900 XT.. swap itself took no time at all. Was no issues in the swap. Only thing that took time was me deciding to clean all the parts while already at it.
Alignment was fine, no issues there - But, I do run soft tubes. Didn't have to cut any new tubes or any such.
Nvidia for now, but I'm itching to jump ship back to AMD. Mostly due to Nvidia's antics and their somewhat less that optimal support for modern display servers in Linux and the friction they have created for the open source community to better support their products. Size is also a big factor for me as well. I want to be able to use the expansion slots on my motherboard as god intended. thank you.
I like how at the beginning Jake is sitting on the floor, and later on Linus. This video is something else for some reason 😂
13:09 bro realy using his stomach as a mouse pad🤣
I was green team for years, then had an RX580 and absolutely loved it. It was crazy how long it lasted doing solid framerates, and AMDs support for it never stopped. Back with Nvidia for now but likely to go Red again next card.
Some of AMDs features are really nice quality of life things I miss now. I used to use Radeon Chill constantly, and the Freesync + Enhanced Sync combo was buttery smooth and really nice for virtually every game. I even used that sometimes while I was playing semipro esports because I'd forget to turn it off, and despite being sensitive to latency it was basically imperceptible difference compared to Enhanced Sync off. I think AMD testing put the difference at sub 1ms which I can believe.
I went back to green with a 3060ti when it came out and I like it but don't love it. I was really looking at trying out some raytracing and expecting DLSS to be imminent future, but raytracing is still ridiculously demanding most of the time compared to the benefits it offers in most games, and DLSS is still too niche. So for the present I'd take the AMD feature set I'd actually use regularly over the Nvidia advantages. FSR is increasingly decent anyway, and I miss my Freesync + Enhanced Sync that smoothed out a lot of titles more than I'm achieving with my 3060ti regardless of settings.
Next card will be Red again unless DLSS finally becomes standard, and even then I play so many old games and esports titles that features based on new games probably isn't worth it for my use. Also from my relatively short time paying attention to the Red Team it does feel like they put more effort into user experience and value for customers.
Realistically, with FSR being open source and easier to implement, that will probably become the standard. Most games that support one, support the other as well at this point in time
@@EddoWagt that is an excellent point. It's improved faster than I'd expected given how much of a headstart DLSS had
I was traded a 580 4 gb and put it in an at home work PC (Ryzen 5 5600, 16 gb 3600 RAM). Surprised how well it works. I haven't done anything super demanding on it, though I did run a benchmark of Shadow of the Tomb raider. Pleasantly surprised by it. My main gpu is a RTX 2060 but the if the older 580 is any indication, I suspect the new amd GPU's are worth checking out.
FSR is trash though. It’s not something to look forward to using
@@kingjon5818 FSR 2.0 is okay, I did call it "increasingly decent" and it's just going to improve. Early DLSS was ultra janky too. And again more importantly for my use case as someone who spends most of my playtime on esports titles and older games, I lean towards 1080p high refresh rate and image reconstruction is seldom if ever a factor. Although I see Overwatch 2 has FSR but is almost always going to be used to a minimal degree and looks largely indistinguishable from pure native res because of it.
I love that becaus im only using an AIO for my cpu i have plenty of room for my Auroras 7900xtx. I did have to use the support bracket because i was worried about how much sagging there was.
Im lucky my case is quite generous with the space it has left over
This feels Like my recent CPU and Motherboard Upgrade which was way more trouble than it had any right to be
This is why Asus at least has a warning to update your chipset drivers with a bios update and I generally am always checking to see if there’s been an ME update through them. Glad I did it when I updated 10 revisions worth of bios last week 😅
What’s the problem? I’m building a pc with an RTX 4090 and 3 Gen4 drives. Will I have this issue?
Wel, at least you caught it in time. 😉
@@_alucid_ Linus was having issues with his mouse and keyboard connection through his KVM(I think it was through it anyways) and it turned out to be the chipset drivers. For Intel that would be Intel ME but I’m not sure what AMDs equivalent is 👍
Lukes attempt is how we're going to see eGPU solutions come out for future generations. I'd love to see a full GPU in a similar formfactor to a NUC that you just rest ontop of your rig, plug in 120v power and an x16 riser to your rig. Will be nice to stack ontop of mITX rigs and/or keep heat seprate from other components!
I actually did this when I got a 3090 a couple months back. Only had a 650w psu, but I had an old 500w laying around, so...the 500w powered JUST the gpu lol
I've since upgraded to an 850w psu and downgraded to a 3080 since the 3090 was a bit much.
@@bonniscootor this is a brilliant idea. I'm going to use it
@@CDoomer All you need is some way to have the secondary psu trigger on. They make plenty of switches that'll do that.
I had mine still seated on the motherboard without a riser, so I did have the secondary psu cables snaking in through the back through some unused pcie covers.
@@bonniscootor Luke just used some wire to bridge a couple pins. He mentioned it on WAN show.
You guys are so much fun, I laughed through most of the video. Great to see you changed to AMD, yep I have them too but not at that scale. Very nice & a little jealous, funny thing is my mouse & keyboard fecked off on me just last week. Seriously though it was an education. Good craic
It's insane i've been having the usb disconnect for months and couldn't figure it out, I was most sure was something about the mouse cable but it turns out i found out in this completely random video i just decided to watch, so thanks i guess
I respect the hell out of Luke just going eGPU with the X16 cable.
It’s an absolutely terrible way to do it.
@@twoeggcups no its not
@@twoeggcups Delightfully terrible.
@@Ghandacity risers are normal think?? Most of the time it doesnt work is riser itself at fault and pci-e lanes lenght.
It’s videos like this that make me realize the first computer I ever built was a miracle it even turned on and why I’m happy to just buy a full new computer these days
nah man, it is easy, but that computer is cutting-edge and it has BIOS modifications so it turned out hard
@@miso1995srb I can barely tie my own shoes. Like xpeterson said, it's a miracle my own build ever worked. Luckily Sweden have some really good websites that let you build PC's "digitally" and match parts while you're shopping without extra cost. If they didn't have that, I would have spent 11191kr ($1064) on parts that didn't match each other. The warning "just so you know, these parts don't fit/match etc" message saved my ass.
@@gundalfthelost1624 choosing parts can be hard I agree, but building is like Lego, only Power button cable is different because you need to read the label
@@miso1995srb putting everything together is fine, I agree, it is like legos. It’s when you hit the power button and nothing happens thats the problem, especially if you don’t have a few spare PSUs or ram sticks to troubleshoot what the problem is, or figuring out why your windows installation wont recognize the GPU, or why when you power it on for the first time - it only shows the power up screen for 5 seconds before hard locking.
All things I have seen happen on different shows. All things I couldn’t possibly begin to diagnose without a wearhouse and enough spare time that tech would basically be my job.
did we ever get a part 2 ?
The follow up video is gonna be fun i bet cos least 1 of them is gonna go thru same hell if been going thru :D
I'm very excited to see the follow up videos in this series. I'm contemplating getting a 7900 xtx in the next couple of months so this kind of review is amazing for me.
I tried AMD. It caused me nothing but headaches, none of my Photogrammetry stuff worked, I was unable to really do much in Blender because rendering just caused the system to hard lock, it was a disaster. When I had the AMD card as a stop gap because my GTX 680 was dying, I couldn't really do much, so it was mostly just browsing the web, and watching CZcams. It was.. interesting.
I have a 590 that won't stay in a game. It just crashes.... Every time. It works as a display out for basic things but I can't do anything I want to do. I don't have the money to fix it yet.
@@KJMcLaws The RX580 I had worked fine for games, but I game a lot less than I used to, I've been doing a huge amount of 3D stuff and photogrammetry, and nothing worked. It was a few months that I had the RX580, because of how delayed the 3080s were.
Eh when’s part 2 coming?
I could say I'm appalled by Luke's "solution", but honestly I should have expected it.
A quick PSA: With the latest drivers AMD cards as old as the Fury line get MLIR/Vulkan for compute support, meaning hardware accelerated computations on windows (for AI/Folding etc) are finally viable. ROCm on Linux is still a bit faster, but now they're comparable.
Wait, explain... Can it do stable diffusion without converting it to onnx now or something???
@@thezen9 it is technically capable of it, yes. You'll have to wait for the python packages to all be updated or just write your own, though
@@thezen9 If you search for SHARK Stable Diffusion AMD you will find a ready to run executable for download. There are some third party packages ForserX's StableDiffusionUI but I haven't tried it yet...
Will first gen RDNA now be useable by BOINC based GPU apps in Manjaro? It's parent is Arch.
@@uncrunch398 no idea, sorry
When they got into linus issues i sat here and said "Dude clear the cmos" lol. Nice to know every tech person suffers through the same stuff now and again. Love you guys, your so fun to watch when your all together on these projects. I remember a time when my boss bought a new gaming PC and the USB didn't work on it, I ran some tests and all I found out of place was the new hard drive needed defragged badly. I defragged it and the USB started working, got to love PC issues lol. New GPU sizes makes it feel like when you get a new card you have to figure out how to put a watermelon inside of a cantaloupe.
I love it when I figure out the problem. The progress of figuring it out is always painful. Like torture that you learn to appreciate.
How does defragging a HDD fix a USB issue?
@@javianbrown8627 That is a good question, if i knew the answer id tell you lol
Darn, I like when an issue gets fixed but I like when I know the logic behind the cause
@@javianbrown8627 I can hazard a guess that the USB driver was somehow fragmented and that fixed it. Aside from that, I got nothing.