I’m Staying on AMD! - Radeon Challenge Pt. 2
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Back in March Luke, Jake, and myself all switched over to AMD to test our resolve after renouncing Nvidia. So are we sticking with AMD, or did we going crawling back to the 40 series?
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0:00 Intro
1:10 (Linus') Bugs and Remote Play
4:20 Linus' Final Thoughts
5:00 Luke's Crashes and Solutions
6:04 Performance and Framerates
7:45 Luke decides to...wait what?
10:04 Could the Cards Use More Time?
10:56 Jake's Initial Thoughts
13:09 Idle Power Draw
13:48 Jake's Final Thoughts
14:44 A Mixed Bag
16:17 Some Excellent Advice - Věda a technologie
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I like the format of this video. Having Luke and Jake sitting there with Linus and having everyone take turns felt way more natural than all of them just giving their opinons recorded separately on a greenscreen like the old vids
Agreed!
I just made the same comment, it feels more natural. They can bounce ideas off eachother instead of it feeling scripted
Indeed, that's a good move.
If they want to improve on the "natural feel" (which seems like a good idea to me), then I'd rather see them talk to each other than at the camera.
It's always weirdly awkward when one of them is speaking at the camera and there's someone at the edge of the shot just having to sit there looking like they're listening even though the person isn't actually talking to them.
ew no, thats like what shitty podcasters with no views do, they look waaay off from the camera just to seem important, this feels more personal@@lewisdean107
Dude that shutdown insert at 5:15, the dropped frames at 6:21 and the induced lag at 6:38 are just freakin perfect. Kudos to the Editor Oliver!
Those inserts fueled me with stress and rage, extremely well done lol
I thought my PC was doing a forced restart.
niceee one editor
you got us XD I almost freaked before realizing it was an instert ans not my pc dieing XD
They boomed me!
Love the editing work of Luke's issues. The sudden shut down felt too real, though. 😂
Why did I get confused about my android phone shutting down for like two seconds 😂
My heart legit skipped a beat!
@@justinv3080 I am on MacBook, and still got a little heart attack.
yes, I was genuinely asking myself like "what the hell is happening with my computer"
i was like wtf bro? im plugged in rn!?! (laptop)
The editing in this video mimicking the errors was hilariously on point 😂
The video editing on this is ON POINT. Whoever put this together, bravo!
I found it super annoying, I thought it was my internet 😅
@@kiv0x when it was lukes segment i deadass fr thought my laptop was rebooting
You know the end card credits every person who worked on the video?
Yep, because they aren't rushing their videos out anymore ( hopefully it continues )
nobody is watching that @@ella4406
Wow the editors on fire this time. Reproducing/simulating Luke's issues really took my immersion and ability to empathize to the next level.
Seriously -- what Jake said at the end there, about buying an AMD GPU 2 months after it's been released is advice that should apply to nearly *EVERY* piece of hardware. After two months the bugs will either be fixed, or will be known to be unfixable. In either case, you avoid winding up with a poor-quality product. Plus you don't pay the early-adopter tax that seems to be so common these days.
Absolutely true, but sadly it's not that easy to get actual standardized user experience information.
All the reviewers only review at release, and forum threads are just incredibly unreliable.
This should absolutely be upvoted/liked whatever. Any new tech, best to wait a little while.
Yeah my experience with the 7900XTX was more on the side of unfixable. The infamous shader stutters in older games running dx11 or lower (as Jake mentioned in the video for borderlands) it’s not a fluke, it’s consistent and happens every single time it’s been there for 3 generations now and AMD doesn’t seem to care, I returned it for a 4080 and never been happier, like, I work 7-8 hours a day and it’s SUCH a relief to know that I’m going to be playing my game, any game, and it’ll just work, I don’t have to tinker with anything, I don’t have to bother disabling free sync, I don’t have to bother disabling DXNAVI that requires me to run code that I don’t understand and edit my registers following guides on random forums. It’s just so much better that I’m happy paying the $200 tax, AMD really neeeds to get their shit together.
unless you are intel lol
@LMacNeill It's like everyone forgot how terrible the RTX 3080 drivers were at launch... lol but, you know, only bots were buying them so... did the collective forget?
i like how my experience since joining team red has been the polar opposite of theirs. i got my 7900XT just after christmas, and it's been basically flawless the entire time. i've had a few driver timeouts in CP2077 over the last few days, but i HAVE overclocked the card, so that's to be expected while i find the right settings.
This is me. I have owned AMD cards for over 10 years and had very few issues. Not 0, but very few.
7900 XTX currently running the preview driver for AMD FMF support -- haven't had any issues at all on my system. Love my card and with frame gen I'm pulling ~150fps in Starfield at 4K. Can't complain here!
I think the whole point of this vid was to badmouth AMD while being safe from clapback by pretending they are not Nvidia supporters. But essentially the end result of the vid will be buyers wanting to avoid the 3 major issues and not buy AMD in the first place. Hitjob on AMD gpus successfully completed - way to go Linus.
@@ShrikeCult
Lmao. You lot are hilarious.
Half of y'all are claiming he's an AMD shill, half of y'all claiming he's an Nvidia shill...
Make your dang minds up lol
@@haxie4516 And you forgot the most ironic part : they accuse others while being the actual shills.
I just couldn't recommand Nvidia this gen, since they launched some of the most outrageous products. The 4060 sometimes is worse than the 3060, 16GB wouldn't have hurt the 4070 (Ti is a joke), 4080 should cost 800. It leaves you feeling like it's 4090 or nothing.
So 3 of my friends grabbed the 6900XT, 7600, and 7800xt. First two had no issues, the last one crashes everyday. Thanks AMD I don't feel guilty for making my friend spend half is pay for that experience. Fucking up 30% of the time isn't a nice stat 💀
I understand there's an opportunity cost to syncing up the schedules of 3 busy people for a synchronous film shoot, but this was way more enjoyable and engaging in this format than it would have been otherwise. The vibe and the editing were a lot of fun, for what could have been a very dry topic.
Luke might be forgetting that the Titan RTX is a PCIe Gen 3 card while the 7900 XTX is a PCIe Gen 4 card, which means the riser has to be up to the higher standard. Otherwise you get what Luke experienced
Hey there!
We mentioned this in the video - Might not have been clear enough.
I would also note that we filmed this a few weeks ago and since then I have only ever crashed in starfield - 0 in any other game... So honestly I don't think this is currently causing any issues.
@@LukeLafreniere Maybe what you need is a fresh windows install.
@@LukeLafreniereHey Luke, I've been having similar issues with PCIe4 on X570, when I did rebuild my PC as I was so fed up with it, it turned out that my card was somewhat misplaced in the PCIe slot (like it moved slightly), maybe something like this is more visible with risers? I haven't had an issue since then.
@@aquiveal Or maybe a less janky computer in the first place.
Mine is installed without a riser and have had similar issues with the drivers timing out at random times crashing discord too! The discord crashing can be "fixed" by turning off hardware exceleration in discrod's settings. I've done that to quite a few apps to avoid as much things crashing as possible when tabbing out of a game
This is a great format! Almost like a fireside chat, scripted enough to be concise, but free enough to be entertaining. Keep it up!
The cut in errors was such a pleasure to watch on this video. Genuinely got concerned when Luke stopped talking and the “pc” rebooted. 😂
Excellent video, and great format. 10/10 guys.
Edit: only thing that would make this better was if they were talking to each other instead of the camera. Still throw a prompter over the shoulder of whoever they’re looking at, maybe, but definitely talking to each other was the best parts of the video.
Now if this is a style of second look that will happen more often on this channel, I'm all for it. Casual, friendly conversation that tells a story or three...well done folks at LTT.
The cool editing tricks when Luke was describing his issues was cool. And I like this style of video with the hosts sitting side by side, even reacting to each others comments live. It was refreshing and throughly enjoyable! 😊
The windows shutdown was funny on my 12yr old chromebook lol
yes, I actually thought my computer froze.
Really well put together video. I'm appreciating the renewed focus on quality. Keep up the good work!
I've been using an AMD GPU for a while and I've never had any problems like you did, I don't think I have ever had a GPU issue, no errors, restarts or glitches
The video editing throughout this was PHENOMENAL - convinced me my PC was acting up LOL. Give the editor a raise forreal!
I think a 40h workweek would be a start
@@Gelbton 9-5 cringe
@@Gelbtontell me you don’t have a job without telling me you don’t have a job
@@randomprojectsusa5196answering this could go soooo wrong!
@@randomprojectsusa5196to be fair not everything is 9-5. Personally I have 7.30-15.30 and it is bliss. Im up early anyway and i get to start my evening at 15:30/16:00 so I can go to the Gym or Pub or get Groceries and it doesnt eat in to my evening
The editing on this video, to highlight the issues Luke was having, really helped, brilliant story telling. Love it! :)
Bro I was like shit is my pc crashing for a split second.
@@unixtremeI was watching on my phone and thought that for a second lol
That damn screen haunts me.
I personally hope that at least luke (cuz linus didnt, for his own admission toward four minute and half) did a clean windows install after installing the card. I've go from a nvidia gtx1650 (manli) to a RX6650XT (MSI) without a windows clean install. I lasted two hours. Nvidia driver wouldnt uninstall because the card wasnt installed, not even in safe mode. Because of the nvidia driver installed the radeon driver wouldnt install either. Then after the safe mode reboot windows started to glitch. Had to save my firefox profile, make a local backup of my password, format and reinstall everything. After that, thoo? I manage 300FPS on doom eternal, 1440°, ray tracing enabled, all setting high/ultra except shadow (medium).
I REALLY hope they benched the games after a fresh windows install and something did go wrong, cuz otherwise THAT explain those glitch/bugs.
Nice to hear that things keep improving. Removes any anxieties I might have about the Framework 16 I'm getting!
The video edit in this video are fun. The trouble simulation in Lukes speach are quite clear and so relatable.
The issues Luke mentioned, I have similar issues with team green! It was because my motherboard and GPU both run PCIe 4 and the riser is a PCIe 3 riser. Changing the PCIe to 3 from BIOS fixed pretty much everything!
Bump for visibility, altho he might've tried that already
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Had the same issues but with rx580 and pcie 3 riser. after removing it all smooth and no problems at all. So i´d guess Lukes problem are riser-related
This format works on soo many levels, please make more like this.
It seems to feel like a chat with friends, not sure why but that's how it was for me.
I really like this new format. Having Luke and Jake here giving input is really nice.
In advance, and if you're a weirdo that reads the comments before watching the video. No, you're not having issues with your computer, neither YT or nothing, is just a great and morbid edition of the video. I was extremely high(Im still high doing this) when I put the video and felt like 2 or 4 heart faints when watching it. Amazing work editor, really amazing.
This has been always AMD problem, their drivers. Before I went back to Nvidia, I was using an RX 5700, and god that gpu was great at the time for what it cost, but also a nightmare with the drivers. I will probably stay with Nvidia for the rest of my life now, big statement there, but since I got my green team GPU and didnt encounter not a single problem, and its been 8 months. With the RX 5700, problems where almost daily. Is a shame really, because performance wise AMD is magnificent, their products are extremely well done, everything else is a 10, but oh god those shitty drivers...
Dude, the editing on this video is bar none compared to others. Awesome jobs
I legitimately thought my PC messed up the first time!
I agree the editing was cool with the effects but the pacing of the video was kinda weird. It was hard to follow what issues were happening to who, if they were ever resolved, if they were still happening, what the resolutions were etc.
@@okuhtttf yea, everyone is scared to lose money. He regrets what he said for the small start-ups.
I am watching on a Mac, and I still felt my heart drop when the windows logo came up. lol
@@okuhtttf buddy…..you wrote an essay to respond to a comment. And clearly a fan of Gamersnexus. Yeah they pointed out some faults and Linus needs to do better. And they’ve taken the right steps to redeem himself and the company. No one is free from sin/poor choices.
The editing was ducking awesome in this video. Idk if this is due to editors getting more time to edit per video so it’s letting them get a bit more creative but it’s definitely gotten wayyyy better since the break
yeah the cutting out on luke's bit was really fun, because we've all had that glitch that he was describing
@@ghomerhustCant relate
@@Mysinismikakolol
@@ghomerhustI never have.
The editing cuts got me more than once. Well played editors, you crafty buttholes.
Since my PC sometimes restarts when watching CZcams. You guys got me EVERY single time in this video with the black screens and loading XD
Awesome video! As a competitive overclocker, computer builder, and IT worker; having drivers discussed at length in a video like this is amazing because it is truly the only reason that I dont recommend team red to ANY of my friends for their PC builds. CPU side its AMD all the way, but GPU wise, me and my friends have had enough heart ache with older cards to be willing to spend more money to not have those experience on newer cards as well!
P.s. Great format to the video and honestly nice to see the experiment conducted over the course of more than just that initial first month. Back when I tried AMD in 2019 I had alot of issues that were resolved by the next launch; however, I had no plans to stick around till then to find out.
The editing is so good on this video, the video syncing as the problems are being mentioned is so good
the edit is so good, I could feel the pain that Luke had been through.
Awesome video format, feels like a TV talk show that I would actually watch!
Love this kind of video, the podcast vibe is amazing!
I built my first PC in August this year with an 7900XT and until now, i never had only 1 of the issues you are talking about. And im using it heavily everyday. Crazy how different this can be!
I've got r5 5600x with the 6650xt and I've never faced any issues either. Only recently windows copilot is killing wallpaper engine but i dont know who to blame
Same . I have the rx 5700 xt @@JoyceAiman
Same here. Never had any issues neither with my previous 5700XT and my current 7900XT
All of the issues they had in this video is unreal to me lol.
AMD runs my PC since 3 years. (6700xt & 7900xtx) Never had issues.
most problems like high idle power draw that could be seen for loooong time, could go away with fresh windows install, doing DDU is one thing, but it also can't revert everything, so getting fresh windows and setting it up with new hardware is often the best way to get problem free experience, tbh i had radeon HD 7000 series, rx 300 series, 500 series and now 6000 series and i had handful of crashes or problem during that whole time, i had more problems with my asus A320 prime and B450 rog motherboards with ryzen 1500X and 3600 (both had problems so not only zen 1 bugs were here)
I absolutely love this format with multiple people on set and they all each have a camera pointed towards them with an individual teleprompter
This was a great vid and benefits most from what I love about LMG in general; actual "experts" talking about real life experiences, backed by data.
The time and effort involved for those 3 to evaluate this (outside of work hours) whilst also doing their actual jobs, is a big part of why I know that it's a great company; passion drives content, the "business" has, historically, come 2nd and the support for that was overlooked and under resourced as they expanded faster than they imagined so I'm really glad to see them getting that under control and back to S tier content.
My love to all the LMG peeps, you deserve the best of both worlds
I seriously kept thinking I was having PC issues, but after a little bit I figured out it was you guys explaining things.
As an RX 580 user, I appreciate the effort.
As an RX580, RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Things a beast
I have an RX 580 and an RX 590, my favorite cards.
Sadly official support will be shutdown
Card is the best, im using it still, using FSR often cause i usually stream my games with moonlight and sunshine and it's still looks crispy clear with triple A games, AND ALSO with fsr3 coming, im hoping it would be even better!! plus, when I really want to play csgo/2 and valo, its still a capable card
Great editing and loved the sit down, campfire style discussion. Keep it up LTT. 🎉
I recomend watching this video on full screen and enjoy all the editing when an issue is told ! (it got me only twice ! the windows restart and the sync lag on video xD)
Props to the editor making us feel the pain Luke felt!
Personally, as an owner of a Powercolor RX 6600 which is a great deal at 200 dollars on Amazon. I have had almost no issues and almost no crashes so your experience was surprising for me.
Used to own an XFX 6600 and now own a Power Color Red Devil 6700XT and haven't had any issues. Starfield is running over 120fps. A couple other games hit 144 which is the max my monitor can do. And I just updated Adrenalin today and didn't need to restart, which Linus said wasn't possible. But who cares? My machine takes like 3 seconds to boot. Restarting is just not like this is Windows 95. Come on.
same, one of 4 cards I run in my rig - I've rarely encountered an issue with any of them maxing out on AI compute tasks all day, and occasionally heavy gaming. I have to assume this is all for dramatization, "my card crashed every few hours" sounds like there's an issue with some other major system software or hardware component.
@@SweetSweetCandyBoyz Do we know if they made a clean windows installation when switching from nvidia to amd? I heard rumours that this could cause issues but have no way of verifying it.
Same here, I'm using an rx6600 rignt now and I also used an rx580 and an rx5500xt in the past and never had a GPU related issue. I had more problems with my old 1050Ti though I blame my agressive overclocking attempts for that
I have an xfx rx6700xt and haven’t had many crashes. In fact its been a rare thing for me. My last adrenaline update didn’t need a restart either.
This time your points came across very clearly. I love how you guys sit together and talk about your experiences with the gpu. Best "challange" video ltt has done so far.
5:12 made my heart drop
God the editing absolutely bops on this one. Mad props!
I had a minor heart attack @5:12 because I actually thought my system crashed xD
I'm so glad Seasonic keeps sponsoring videos. I don't usually care when manufacturers advertise stuff, but their PSUs are great and I'd rather less-experienced people see ads for a great product than a crappy one.
I myself use a prime TX 650 and couldn't be happier! Prior to my Seasonic I had a Corsair 600W unit made by CWT that served me well for over 6 years, but it was loud and ran hotter.
I totally agree with you! A fellow seasonic user here who just upgraded to a GC-650 and loving how silent they are!!!
their hdds _were_ great until they became irrelevant
Gets me every time a video contains faults/errors edited in on purpose. It really gets the point through.
Ok an emoji cup of coffee to the video editors. ☕️☕️ all the snappy edits that mirrored their experience was awesome! You didn’t have to go that hard but you did!! Well done!!
Here’s another coffee ☕️
I like the feel of this. It feels casual, and like I'm in the room taking part in the chat - which was great and informative. More like this please!
It feels like the content of a full 2 hour podcast hyper edited down to 17 minutes.
Great video format and spot-on editing during Luke's overview of issues. I switched to 7900XT almost 3 months back and I was dreading crashes and other various issues but to be honest my experience is smoother with AMD card than it was with Nvidia's last four generations. Wherever two suppliers fight for customer, usually the customer can enjoy some benefits.
I personally had the same experience, I recently switched from a rx 6800 to a rtx 4080 and the 4080 has had so many issues, crashes fps drops ECT. I did a full ddu so it's not that although to be fair the Nvidia drivers have got better so now it's almost as good as my rx 6800 but it's still a bit behind.
Yeah, I had major issues on Nvdia and Ive been on AMd since 2017, first with the rx580 and now with a 6700xt
You know your GPU brand is God awful when it justifies the higher price of the other GPU brand
@@RekySai for some, I don’t know what happened to these guys, but I’ve had a great experience
@@RekySai hey now thats no way to think, both have flaws, nvidia isnt perfect neither is amd
I had the same issue with my 3060ti like luke mentioned. When i play ready or not, it crashes along with discord and discord takes a while to start up. I found the issue was because i undervolted my card too aggressively. Everything ran normally after increasing the undervolt by 25mv. Therefore, i think his amd card may have a voltage regulation issue of some sort.
Kudos to the editor for showing all the issues practically in video itself 🙌
I upgraded from a 1080ti to a 6800xt and it's been great. My first AMD GPU since the 7870.
Been very happy with it, no stability issues.
Im still on the mighty 1080ti but am thinking that its time to upgrade too 😊
I upgraded from 3 hd7950's (crossfire) to a gtx 1070 and I REALLY want back to AMD because the Nvidia drivers feels like a cage
Also using the 6800xt and no problems whatsoever on Linux as my main game setup
the hd era gpu was the best for games
That's the same upgrade I did, and it was totally worth it.
Y'all are killing it! Title is the perfect balance of click-friendly and actually telling you what the video is about. Writing and hosts were great, and editing was funny but not annoying!
I went back to AMD for the first time since 2012, both CPU and GPU. I have had a few minor issues like 1 of my screens not being at 144hz while the others are and the settings say it is but its clearly not. A few other little random things but to be fair I did have Nvidia drivers installed before hand. Since I cleanly installed everything I've had no issues that I can think of. I am very happy with switching back to AMD and happy to stay put for the forseeable!
yup, clean install Windows if you switch anything major like CPU, GPU or Motherboard, I once hot swapped out an AMD card for an Nvidia card and I was having tons of problem with the Nvidia card until I clean install
Curious, what graphics card did you end up going with?
mine brother did install clean drivers after his first problem when he switched from 1050ti to 6700 xt like 1 year+ ago, stutters and 1 crash, thing with amd they are more sensitive if u dont properly do installation, when he used 1050 ti for few years, he didnt do clean installation, only problem he had was nvidia software few times
@@TheKOzality Only seen this now mate, I went for the AMD RX 6950 XT.
I was so confused when the video felt like the PC just crashed and restarted into windows... While watching this on Ubuntu. Thank god it cleared up after a second ^^
Dude, I was watching this on my laptop, also running a Linux distro, and straight up panicked for a second, and wondered just how bad I messed up to have that happen XD
@@haxie4516 typical OS meddler problems :)
Really good editing work for that type of panic to ensue though
@@olmkiujnb
Yep XD
I do have a windows install that's meant to be "disabled" (I removed the UEFI boot entry) so I had that second of "wtf did I do...?"
Love the format, I went with the same system Linus did with the 7950x paired with a 7900xtx and have nothing but good things to say, maybe the fresh install is the way to be with an AMD upgrade, that’s what I did at least :)
I would argue that a fresh (driver) install should be the way to go anytime you switch GPU brands... but I can't be 100% sure that would fix all their issues, since the last time I switched brands was in 2014(!) when I went Team Red and, three GPUs later, I've had nothing but a great experience (I feel like I have to clarify, it wasn't out of fanboyism, they were literally the only ones with a decent price at the time: R9 270X, RX 570 and RX 6600, respectively). And you know, this video is kinda helping me make up my mind to upgrade my other PC to the RX 7600 lol
It's the AMD CPU drivers that drive me nuts. Clean install everytime or a headache. So Blue CPU+Red GPU is the way to go in my book.
@@eclipsegst9419 you mean the chipset driver? I don't think I've updated that one since my last Windows fresh install lol
Luke's issues are almost certainly PCIe issues, i have basically exactly the same symptoms with my 2080 Super if i dont run it with x8 PCIe. I suspect either my board or the GPU have some defects in a PCIe signal line which is causing that instability.
I agree, they are the exact same issues (random GPU timeouts, 5 fps on the desktop, etc) I had on a 1080ti when I upgraded my motherboard and the PCIe slot turned out to be bad.
100%. Had the same issues as him (but in slightly different ways)
Toward the end of the vid. I was like hope the mobo has all the drivers up to date :)
100% a signaling issue. My 4090 started having similar issues. Suddenly my undervolt wasn't stable. 2D apps would constantly crash either the entire system outright, fail to start, or system lockups. 3D apps would sometimes work fine for literal days running the gpu full tilt and then some would insta crash. Started really considering a GPU rma, but I didn't have a spare gpu. Computer would crash to black screen as if it was a PSU issue most of the time. Don't you just love intermittent issues? Intermittent means contact or signaling issues. Either caused by poor contact due to corrosion/oxidation, solder/trace cracks, or heat flexing disconnecting things. I've had all of these same issues with old usb connectors. Super unstable until a good cleaning and then a contact cleaner/lubrication pen typically fixes it.
My 4090 starting having these issues after about 6 months. Tried a bunch of things including a trusty contact pen, but still nope. Turns out the riser cable went bad. Replacing that fixed it. Never had a riser cable "go bad" that wasn't bad to begin with. Guess the heat cycles finally got to it.
The format is amazing! Please KEEP!
Loved this video! Linus, Luke and Jake on the couch together was great!
5:06 got me off guard, wtf guys
I switched to AMD recently, I came from a line of Nvidia cards (GTX 560 Ti, 1070, 3060 Ti) now I have the 7800 XT from XFX. Two weeks in I haven’t encountered any issues that would have me returning the card. Like everyone says the one software window is very nice and less jank than having to delve into two different menu options. I’m very happy with the performance and the rasterization. I rarely used RT and I prefer having raw frame rates at my desired resolution of 1440p. Can’t say I’ve been happier and my monitor is freesync premium so it’s really good in games and I probably could never game without it again
Something I would love to see from your new lab is an in-depth comparison between the different Gorilla Glass versions. It would be amazing if you could get your hands on maybe ~15 sheets of each version they've released and show how they've evolved over time!
put it on the video suggestions on the forum
Luke's 5:12 got me good. Listening to the video on mobile so it had no reason to make sense, but I still had that half second of 'dangit windows update not now'.
Loved the slightly different feel to the video, had good pacing and interactions felt natural, without derailing the flow, great setup, a great editing as always!
Ive had my 6950XT for about 8 months now and i absolutely love it. Great performance at 1440p and ive had no driver problems on Windows or Linux
That's great! But wasn't this video about the AMD RX 7950 XTX GPU?
@@disguiseddv8ant486 not sure, but that'd make sense, the 7000 series has more driver issues than the 6000 series
But that's the AMD experience... 90% of people it will work fine for but the 10% it doesn't... It REALLY doesn't. Those 10% will swear off AMD and everyone else will gaslight and call them crazy for it so they actually hate AMD in the end. But this happens EVERY generation to 10% of the people and over time it's just built a mountain of us that just couldn't give a shit if AMD burned down in a big fire. Even if the 7900XTX gave equal perf to my 4090 for 600 less I'd take the 4090 because it's fucking solid as hell with no issues just as my 3080, 2080ti, and 1080ti were. The one time I went AMD for my GPD winmax system I run into an issue just like these guys where older games like Silent Storm won't launch on it because it doesn't do integer pixel format the way the games expect it to.
@@tonymorris4335 4090 has plenty of issues, including driver crashes and literally melting its own power cable. In fact, the 4000 series gpus are Nvidia's most troublesome lineup of gpus in years. Paying 600 dollars (which let's be honest, most 4090s are more than 1800, while its very easy to find a solid 7900xtx for around 850) more for similar performance isn't making you seem smart, it seems like mindless brand loyalty to me.
@@tonymorris4335 I've been nearly exclusively ATi/AMD since the 9800Pro. I went team green for the 1080Ti and it was a complete shitshow. After years of being told that AMD drivers were bad, nVidea actually felt worse. I had a driver crash that required a full windows reinstall.
This was one of the best LTT videos I've seen in months. The genuine reviews, and the editing were top notch. Seriously, I thought something was wrong on my end for a split second a few times. I genuinely enjoyed this video. I hope you get back to making more videos of this quality again! Looking forward to it.
As a side note, I'd really like to see your instructional videos be more informative and instructional. It's like you go 80% of the way, and the video is ultimately useless. I'd really like to be able to follow YOUR TEAM step-by-step on building a NAS or learn how to VPN into my home network while away. A lot is just mundane one off builds, but some genuine build guides on interesting tech things would make LTT a one stop source for entertainment, and instruction.
Just Google the other 20%
@@EikottXD There often aren't many good resources that are easily digestible.
I don't understand why they would bother actually going through the entire process of making the thing, then posting a video that is nearly a guide, but isn't. "
Just Google the other 20%" is a cop out, and is exactly the point I'm making. If I have to Google how to do it, the video itself has no point in its existence.
Great video and amazing editing !
It's nice to hear other experiences, but it's funny berceuse all the issues you guys were describing I was having on my RTX 3080 (plus running out of VRAM issues) before I switched to my 6950xt.The 6950XT has been rock solid for me and I love AMD's drivers so much more then Nvidia's.
Lots of issues seem to arise when people swap out their Nvidia GPU for an AMD GPU on the same windows install, no clue why but I'm surprised you've had no issues
Dude this is me. I've run into almost all the same issues as them, except I have a team green card atm. It's frustrating as hell.
also adrenaline it's far better than nvidia controll pannel+geforce experience, also you get the clock,volt and fan controll you dont get on nvidia software
I did came across many of the mentioned issue, but in my case I am switching from a RX6800 to a 2080ti, on the same window installation, just DDU. So I think many of the pain is from switching GPU brand itself, not entirely an AMD issue.
Same experience for me but finding 6600 xt 6700 xt and 6800 non xt are completely stable, the 3080 leaves a lot to be desired
I don´t know how I would feel if those edits were to always happen, but since it was the first time and it was made in such a perfect timed and used context...man this was an amazing video!!! And not just the editing, also the flow of the video and the overall feeling was very well done. Great content, felt veeery different from the usual LTT videos, in a positiv way :) Pls surprise us more often with such great videos! :)
Made a new build a few weeks ago with the 7900 xtx (first time with AMD) and yeah, i've had a lot more crashes and issues then i've ever had with team green.
Nothing too frustrating or hard to troubleshoot (EXPO was guilty of alot of it) and the performance i get out of the price is simply divine.
My cyberpunk is looking *chef's kiss*
Can proudly say none of these issues have ever happened for me on my 6950xt. Switched over from a 2060. And I'm so glad I did!
Not that anyone at LMG might see this but I just want to put it out there. Recent LTT videos have felt ALOT better than the last few years of videos that I can remember. Maybe it's me and some bias from knowing you guys have worked to change up your processes, but I think what you guys have done seems to be working. The watching experience from a more casual viewer has been much better and the quality feels much better as well.
While I'm sure it was painful to learn, this seems to have been an important lesson and I'm glad you guys took it in stride and seem to have come out much better on the other end!
It's been addressed before on WAN show; most of the recent videos were shot or edited before the break. It's just confirmation bias.
I swapped to a 7900xtx from my 3080 after my 3080 died, had a faulty power cable that killed it, I have had a phenomenal time with my 7900xtx, thing is badass. Running on a 4k 144hz monitor and I LOVE IT
I went from a 3080 to a 7900XTX also. Great performance. No issues.
i wish i didn't have problems with my 7900xtx i have low fps in 1440p i probably will have to return it
@@artraudgaming3575 Is it possible you got a defective card?
i had a 6800xt and it stuttered so much, now i have an rtx 4070 and the gpu is dying 1 month after i bought it. I actually give up with my pc im selling it@@artraudgaming3575
You're not getting 4k 144hz with a 7900xtx bud
Yeah, I can't deal with random crashes anymore; I'm getting too old to troubleshoot these days, so I'm sticking with Nvidia. Thanks for taking one for the team and providing the insight though!
More videos like this!! While there is a big place for labs I would say this sit down personal experience talk in some cases just feels better to the viewer. I would love to see this maybe turned into a longer form video maybe trying to diagnose some of the issues together. I feel like that would bring back that “these videos are to help the consumer” rather than the majority being just reviews with labs content and niche content.
I know exactly what the idle power problem was. It also happens on my 3090 when you have two screens or more all in 120 or higher. The GPU needs higher bandwidth to run them. So ideally you only want your main screen at high refresh rate in the rest at 60 and that fixes it
i wish that was the case … i agree the problem stems from having more than one monitor … but i have to drop all my monitors refresh rates down to 60hz and reduce to from 1440 to 1080 for the gpu memory clock and power draw the idle correctly …
@@KainLongShot question for you, are you running 1080p 60hz all the time on your monitors now? that seems like a massive drop in quality for idle power reduction.
@@KainLongShot I recently tried a 7900XTX, but it pulled 100W at idle because one of my monitors was 1080p while the others were 1440p. Moving that monitor to plug into the MB instead is a workaround but it introduces other problems of its own. There were another smaller issues as well so I just gave up and swapped it for a 4080 instead, and life has been good ever since. Even though the value is trash. I really want to like AMD but at least my experience has been that the cheaper price is offset by way more issues and tinkering required.
I had a similar issue with high idle power on RTX 2000 series. More than 2 monitors does it, or not synced refresh rates. I have a 1440p 144hz monitor and 1440p 60hz monitor. I set the 144 to 120 so it is divisible by 60 and the idle power drops significantly.
@@LateNightFire not all the time . . .I've done a few things where I'll up the resolution and frequency native to the monitors when I'm playing games or need the higher fidelity. If I'm just putting around or I feel I won't need the computer for a bit but don't want it off I'll switch everything back . . . it's not a great solution but works for me . . . for now
I've been on AMD since the launch of the 7900 xtx and so far I've had a few driver crashes and recently MW2 crashing due to anti-lag+ being enabled with the latest drivers. Overall, I haven't had any other issues though. The driver crashes were bad with one specific driver version but after an update, it all went away. The card itself works great so far.
That abrupt windows reboot part of the video had me in 2.5 seconds freaking out that MY computer had an issue for a second lol. Bravo love it.
What you guys should test is if swapping from an nvidia card to AMD card without and then with a clean reinstall somehow affects stability. I've heard multiple times that even when using DDU you'll still run into occasional issues when upgrading from nvidia to AMD.
And now that you're on Radeon, you should absolutely try the Linux challenge again :)
YES, AMD cards have actual serious suppport on Linux.
Fun fact: I've never encountered an instance where ddu ever helped anything gpu related. EVER.
The solution was always faulty hardware or reinstalling windows.
I had the issues going from a 4070 to a 7900XTX. Had a bunch of weird issues even after running DDU so I did a fresh install and has been perfect 6 months in.
One of my favourite videos in a while. Love the format, and awesome editing!
The editing in this video is phenomenal.
I think having Hardware Acceleration on in Discord is what causes a driver crash to completely lock it up or close it completely. Discord will do this when I'm updating drivers, which makes sense because the driver installer will uninstall the current driver and then install the new one. I have not tested updating drivers with hardware acceleration off to see if it still does it, but it's the only explanation I got for that. I have the 6950xt btw
I recently bought an rx 6600 and it really impressed me how much performance £170 got me. Idk if its maybe due to it being last gen and so the drivers are more stable but it seems to handle a lot of games fairly decently. Even being a more budget card it can handle most new games to an acceptable level to me.
what kind of games are you playing? I got rid of mine because I couldn't play RimWorld, CK3 or Civ 6 on it :/
@@reinardviloria3433 Huh, weird. My rx 6600 with an i7 4790 can somehow handle starfield on ultra settings at 1080p at a playable framerate. It does drop to 30 at times but 30-60 FPS is still fairly playable to me considering my setup.
Just got a RX 6800 XT myself and its been floor-less so far.
@@reinardviloria3433 It's my understanding that top-down view strategy and sim games are generally the most demanding because of the sheer amount of active assets you can have on screen. They're not usually my jam, but I heard not zooming out as much can help?
where did u get it for £170 thats a good deal
I also went Team Red this generation around, and earlier into the cycle I had a lot of random issues too. I run a multi monitor set up, and if I had a video playing on CZcams on the other screen while launching a game, the drivers would crash pretty regularly. Since then I've updated the drivers a few times, and AMD has really seemed to get these quirks worked out. Definitely going to have to agree with the wait a few months sentiment, but as of this point I couldn't be happier.
I think going with last gen Radeon is the best. My 6950XT works great
The best to buy is last gen 6000 series because software more matured than new gen
Windows is also kind of terrible with multiple displays at times. I have had tons of issues with mixed refresh rates, videos or anything with gpu acceleration would cause games to stutter or slow down unless I could run them in exclusive fullscreen, which negates dual monitor ease of use, and a surprising amount of games now are borderless and not exclusive.
Good job, watching this video in full screen made me think my PC had issues. :)
Loved the format!
As a team red boy from my first gaming PC build which was an athalon 64 it’s been good seeing AMD giving team blue & green a run for their money recently. But still room for improvement for sure. Hopefully it just keeps getting better 🙏🏼
Didn’t expect to see @SAMMIT in a LTT video comment section
honesty AMD gpu allows left a sour taste in my mouth i had a ton of problem's with more then 1 of there gpu that i stopped buying them at all as there is no point in even taking the risk but for there cpu i still prefer them more then intel
rocked the 560, and now the 6600, both are holding up well, not a ton of problems, minus when game is updated and needs new driver versions, but it is super fast to upgrade so not a problem at all.
Hey! 👋
@portanrayken3814 Never had major issues with mine. But I usually wait a few months to buy. Updates are constantly rolling out and performance has been great on my rx580, 5700xt, and 6900xt
Very interesting. I have my new PC with a 6800xt for about three months now with zero GPU related problems. No crashes, no high idle power and no rendering issues. I even undervolted it to reduce the admittedly high power draw (which is kind of expected on a last gen card) without running into instability issues. You're probably right about newly launched products not being completely ready on the software side since older ones run quite reliably for many poeple.
How do you like your 6800xt? I'm possibly picking one up tomorrow
@@DukeFerdinandYou can't go wrong with it imo, my RX 6800 has been perfect
i think when we buy one generation older cards is better so the driver issues are all fixed
I made the mistake of buying a 6600XT for $599 back when the GPU prices started dropping and now the 6800XT is less than what I paid for the 6600XT. Ugh.
@@DukeFerdinand Got mine 4 months ago, bc my rtx 3060 died randomly. Have it undervolted and am very happy playing cyberpunk on 4k medium-high with fsr 2 balanced, hitting 80+ fps, while drawing 20 watts more than my 3060 at ~190-200. Generally just a great card, and the adrenaline software is great to tune every important setting to your liking ^^
Built a new pc last week went with the 7900xtx and 7800x3s, seriously impressed so far.
These edits got me hahaha, especially the CZcams video freezing as my phone drops WiFi connection very often xD
Interesting. I've been running all AMD pcs since end of 2018 and haven't had any of those issues. Could it be the previously installed drivers?
Windows drivers are the main culprit. They've fucked me other whether it was Nvidia or AMD.
They always use DDU, i remember them recommending it a lot a few years ago when they did experiment videos involving GPUs, so I can't imagine things change
Yeah seems kinda odd to blame all this on a mainstream GPU. Like, I could believe there were problems like this with the early Arc drivers but millions of people willingly buy AMD GPU after AMD GPU. It literally could not be this bad. Matter of fact, I've literally never owned an NVIDEA GPU and I did not even run into issues this bad on Linux. On a GPU not supported by AMDGPU...
To be fair. I been using AMD for 8 years. I always make a clean Windows intall on any major hardware upgrade. No major issues
Me too been running amd gpu for months and its fine, updated the gpu driver multiple times and its fine (except if windows 11 decided to f me over, return to win 10 fix the thing). Are these guys using like reviewer engineering sample or retail?
I really have to wonder if a clean windows install would eliminate a lot of the problems. I never seem to have any issues with my 6750XT
Yeah, same. I never had ANY problems at all with my GPU (6700XT), I got it with the new PC, and therefore freshly installed windows.
you bastard!!
i got some crashes and some hard crashes, maybe once a week.
msi 6750
What is you drivers, my drivers: 22.5.1
If i'm switching brands of GPU I always do a fresh install and I never have any issues...It just makes sense
@@LEV1ATAN my brother in christ you have drivers that are 1y4m old
@@LEV1ATANbruh you need to update your drivers
From my experience with AMD, never had any issues, unless you do some hardcore overclocking & undervolting, which, well can lead to unstable experience on Nvidia & Intel as well!
Thanks for the video!
agreed with all of their takes. I am running a 5700xt and the first 6 months to a year were rough but after that it has been pretty much good. I got it for such a good price I was willing to deal with it and now I am still happy with it. However the encoder issues are a pain still.
I was able to pick up a Taichi 5700 XT for $120 recently, and yeah. They've come a *long* way since my friend had a Red Devil 5700 XT at launch.
I’m probably gonna say that a lot of these issues would indeed be fixed from a fresh install. Been rocking an all AMD build, my first Desktop, since January and I’ve had very few issues on the graphical side.
Yeah, it's probably not necessary, but I do a fresh install anytime I replace a major component. And I rarely ever have problems of any kind. New games crash, but that's normal these days.
@@NickGuelker I upgraded my cpu a couple months ago and I just updated bios to make sure that it properly supported the 5800x3d and its been incredibly smooth. I feel like times you want to do a fresh install is if say you are switching from nvidia to amd gpu wise.
I've always found it funny that *personally* I always had the opposite experience. Back when I ran intel/Nvidia combos I always encountered a lot of problems/bugs but after switching to an all AMD setup I've yet to encounter anything even close to the problems I've had with Nvidia when it comes to drivers or anything like that.
I lost two cards to nvidia drivers a few years ago...
That is a very unique experience. I'd be willing to bet; without knowing anything about your setup, that your issues were being caused by something else in the system. i.e. Ram MOBO or PSU. AMD (specifically radeon) is kinda notorious for compatibility issues. Though I should say if there was more widespread adoption you would likely see more out of the box software support.
Mmm... from Linux, it's a *lot* simpler to just use AMD. Mesa drivers are *way* better than AMD's windows driver ever was for me. Haven't had an issue processor-wise either way.
I recently switched from intel/nvidia to amd/nvidia and its been smooth sailing so far.
Exactly the same for me.
I can understand Luke's pain; I've been having them myself lately with my RX 6700 XT. Still a fantastic card overall though.
Also @jake you can adjust your monitor settings inside amd software while typing "monitor" or "screen"
Happy no screen tearing
5:17 you can’t fool me! I use Arch, btw.
I use Gentoo on PowerPC btw