We Downgraded our Computers - Switching to Intel Arc Pt. 1
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For the first time on this channel we're performing a downgrade.. so Linus and Luke can try Intel Arc!
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 - A New GPU!!!!!!
1:15 - Boost Mobile
1:35 - VR PC Removal
4:20 - Linus personal rig removal
7:18 - Removing water cooled RTX 3090
9:35 - The Depinnining
14:33 - It's Arc Time! (problems)
22:35 - Vessi!
23:16 - Outro - Věda a technologie
Didn’t know it was Linus’s turn for an Intel Extreme upgrade 😂
As someone who used a Vega 64 for literally 5 years: RDNA1 was a bigger pile of sh!t driver wise when it launched.
Could not even run half of my common for 2019 games for 3 months after release. A770 has confusing issues, but it runs most everything playable rather than just hanging or crashing unlike my 5700XT which is in a Driving Sim build now.
2:15 - he even finds out that he has stolen office stuff, just like all the other upgrades!
You spelled Downgrade wrong, but otherwise correct that this is Intel and Extreme.
@@manicdan481 Intel Extreme Downgrade 😆
@@anasevi9456
It took AMD one bloody year to fix a bug that caused a BSOD when playing back video on non-native resolutions. Browsing YT and websites with pesky autoplay was fun during that time. I'll never forget that experience, but my 5700 came 100 bucks cheaper than the NVIDIA counterpart at the time, so there's that.
Thanks to LTT for showing great appreciation for my DDU app. Glad it can help many.
Thank you for this amazing app, it helped me with fixing a dozen of PCs for me or my friends!
DDU has saved my bacon more times than I can count. Thank you for sharing your talents with us.
It's been a staple in my kit for ages. A good tool that does a great job.
Thanks for DDU !!!
Is it bad if you don’t run it in safe mode?
I love how the video devolved into Linus basically saying, "Nooooooo, I don't wannaaaaaaaa"
I like how Linus is explaining stuff while lying on the floor.
We've all been there 🤣
I felt that in my soul.
Floor gang!
in true Linus fashion
There was something EXTREMELY catharticly pleasing about watching someone who knows more than me about computers collapse in frustration upon realizing that they may have to re install windows because of a detail they missed
tbf that is one hell of a can kicked window install. He should have revamped it years ago. lol
@@anasevi9456 I was very surprised hed hadn't done so yet for once I was ahead of linus lol.
Windows should really be fresh installed once a year anyway.
Right?! Like a wave of relief 😂
They're already going arc, why not also make it a linux challenge 2.0?
I am two weeks into a month of living with the Arc A770. I gotta say, it's been REAL fun trying to get above 40 Fps with low settings while playing some modded Stalker Gamma action.
Slavjank games don't count.
It only comes with a 37% chance of contracting venereal disease 🫡
The A770 has potential because of it's price. I think it needs better drivers, as mentioned in your video.
If you aren't playing a slavjank game at below 40 FPS, then you aren't getting the authentic Eastern European game dev experience.
Another cross-over post so people can view your crummy channel, eh David? People like me.
Looking at the ARC Hardware it looks really promising so i hope Intel fixes drivers and makes it more friendly to run on AMD. but the biggest concern of mine would be support for older games DX9 and 11 as i have so many that i still play today.
The ARC Vram is very attractive.
3060's 12gb is useless and needless but arc's 16gb is attractive?
@@peadee2774 for the price yes
Seems they fixed most of the DX 9 problems, remains to be seen.
Intel's first GPU card the i740 was made to tie in to the Pentium 2 motherboard line and was the first AGP card. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel740
@@peadee2774 you may think its useless, but i want you to think about how much overhead multiple screens take, Frame buffers do use X amount of ram based on Resolution and pallet bits, thus having multiple monitors say at 4K 32bit you need a large frame buffer......... an example 4 monitors at 1080P with very little running that is 1672MB thus leaving the rest for textures and other things that maybe in gpu memory.
so where did you get the idea from is beyond me maybe you just play games then i can understand, but i use my computer for more then just games.
OR maybe your just a fan of Nvidia, this will fade as you will see these companies have there good years and bad years right now we are in bad years with all the GPU companies so yeah its really hard to choose.
This is the most relatable to linus I have ever felt 😂. How he is lying on the floor explain how there is a hand full of issues that can pop up and you have to fix them and it's not necessarily hard but time consuming and a pain in the butt. I feel ya buddy I really do lol.
At some point even the most tech savvy enthusiast reaches this dilemma. The inevitable point of having to redo so much just to get back to normal that you question you even bothered with it to begin with.
@@paulcleary8088 I'm pretty sure I have some really weird malware on my laptop, but there's some lab software on there that's a huge pain to set up and I haven't gotten it to work on other systems, so I just accepted that even just renaming a file freezes the explorer.exe for a few seconds. I have never felt so dumb using a computer, but reinstalling that shit (it's some windows 2000 era software that really doesn't like to run on win10) is my worst nightmare, so until that research project is done (maybe 2 more years) I'll leave it like that.
That mbr2gpt thing was a godsend for me to get rebar working. Brought a smile to my face seeing Linus discovering it because I felt the same way.
I feel like linus was quite late on that discovery. But its good in a way because many people might need it enabling ReBAR . I had to do mbr2gpt when switching motherboards and getting an SSD.
Indeed. It was a matter of minutes amd no hassle. Good thing Linus found it.
Doood I will do this when I get home. I thought I was fucked.
you can run the command when windows is booted too.
Aomei partition assistant is great tool for this
Yes, MBR to GPT was put in place by Windows devs because the old process to convert an MBR to a GPT required Advanced knowledge of how to correctly partition the drive after deleting the initial to partitions. This automates the process so that a user can't really screw it up. I've used it a few times in moving an old boot drive forward, and it has worked every time.
I've needed to do this at work but our legacy systems use windows 7 and didn't have it. It was so frustrating lol
I came down to comment this
Guess I haven't experienced the hassle of converting MBR to gpt in the old way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I had to do an mbr2gpt for compatibility with BitLocker and TPM 2.0. I was surprised by how easy it was to do the conversion. It's a Microsoft tool, so I fully expected it to fail.
I had it fail on a drive I upgraded from win7 to 10, and then tried to convert to GPT via mbr2gpt. It says it can undo everything it's doing, but it failed mid conversion and could not undo the changes =P
Which tool your talking about?
I feel your pain Linus. I saw this coming when you said "we need to enable resizable bar and disable CSM". I went through this a month ago with my new 3080 and gave up, leaving resizable bar disabled, and probably leaving performance on the table. I stayed on the floor crying "I don't want to!"
It’s either performance or your sanity so fair
I had to upgrade the vBios (or whatever) on my 3070 Ti to enable it, and ASUS' updater software is so fucking sketchy. Completely broken english, no progress bar, nothing. Terrifying experience.
"it's a werewolf thing, I bite them and they start dropping things"
Had me in stitches. This is a brilliant ad lib if one, and a great written line if scripted.
Where is it?
Linus sinking in agony over the minute problems encountered during this 'upgrade' is the content I live for. So relatable and mind-numbingly cathartic.
Honestly this graphics card will only make sense to .01% of the target intel had in mind, the people who enjoy frustration and pain.
There’s absolutely no point in spending your money on something that doesn’t even look like it’s in beta stage; and sure you could make a point for av1 encoding, but in all seriousness it would be better to wait and get a feature complete gpu from either AMD or Nvidia.
I’m glad they went ahead and went through with this though
no
He dropped to the floor like Max Payne dying in the first Max Payne
A tip for older games, try to use DXVK, it convert the D3D9/10/11 API in Vulkan instruction
Funny thing is the most recent drivers, stay away from Witcher 3 DXVK for Arc. native DX11 runs better, infact it runs perfectly smooth i have no idea why.
@@anasevi9456 TW3 is using newer DX11 features since its an end era DX11 game. DX 11_1 is quite different from DX 11_2. CDPR is pretty bleeding edge so it makes sense, especially with performance needs of last gen consoles in mind
I wonder why they haven't. The built in DXXonDX12 translation layer suuuucks.
I know about DXVK only because of GTA IV
@@RowanBird779 me too that was a crazy game and a crazy result. Still, mouse snappiness was frustrating.
19:06 I LOVE how seamlessly Linus transitions from moaning on the floor into presenter-mode.
I know absolutely nothing about computers, but I really enjoy watching this channel. It feels like learning a language via immersion. The more I listen, the more I pick up and understand. But even if I didn't, y'all just make great content and it's nice to have on :)
this channel is how I initially learned most of my computer knowledge, it was kinda surreal
Whenever they start going technical it's like the words are registering but whatever it could mean does not register 😂 Still entertaining though
Finally, Linus gets an Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade!
Intel extreme tech downgrade.
I hope he tries to get DXVK working on his build. Should see a noticeable bump in performance and compatibility.
Came here to say this. I even use DXVK on a 6900XT and it really does improve performance with older games that use DX9/10/11.
YES! He should try DXVK. Let him know by liking this comment
We kept and kept asking during the stream where they tested the Arc to try DXVK and nobody seemed to care.
They're giving the impression they're completely forbidden to even mention anything vulkan at all
dito
YES!!! Thank you Linus (and friends) for the MBR2GPT bit! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! My system is much like yours, relatively new parts (just put a 3070ti in it a few months ago from a vanilla 2060) but the Windows itself is a launch day Win10 install updated as time went on and the boot SSD was MBR. I didn't want to reinstall mainly for your reasons, everything is how I like it. But I wanted to move it to GPT and until now I thought I would have to bite the bullet and reinstall. I wasn't looking forward to it AT ALL. This gives me an out and while it's obviously not the best case scenario for a smooth running rig, I'll take it if it means I don't have to set Windows back to how I like it again with a million different apps and settings.
It's funny that ARC takes such a huge performance hit from converting DirectX to Vulkan when doing the exact same thing on Linux barley takes any performance hit at all in many games.
Linus and Luke if you want to play older games with more performance you could try dxvk 1.10.1 (newer version have render issues on windows). its a compatibility layer that implement d3d9 to 11 on vulkan. and with vkd3d d3d12 on vulkan even if that is not important on windows. for that you only has to copy the dll file to the game executable and it most of the time just works ( cs go has a protection against such method but can be turned off/bypassed )
I really hope they don’t miss out on using dxvk. Not watched too far into the video so don’t know if it will be mentioned. By the sounds of it from the wan show, this will just be them failing to install the GPUs for a while.
100 times this. Hopefully someone can bring dxvk to Linus’ attention. It would make for a great video, honestly
@@SETHBRUNDLEFLY I agree!! Please like the comment above
Oh yeah, I had been gaming on Linux with dxvk on Nvidia for a while and it just works. Yeah, there's probably a small performance hit, but it's much better than 9fps, lol.
@@michaelmao6180 actually I’m some cases games can run better on Linux even if they use dx9-11
I'm definitely hooked on following this story ARC
Skull emoji
Lol
Take your damn upvote and go.
Shut up and take my thumbs up
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linus is so into VR but they never benchmark VR games when a new card releases. sure, it's difficult, but someones got to do it, and yall have so many resources.
there is only 1 channel that does it kinda and i am not sure how consistent his methods are. VR really deserves more love on this channel.
I really think it's because most VR games these days are being optimised for standalone. Mid range GPUs nowadays are VR ready. I think x86 handhelds are the new PC gaming hotness, while VR has become a new branch of gaming in its own right.
I hope you guys also do the RDNA Challenge when the new cards drop!! Would love to see the newest gen, if its even worth the wait. Sure, reviews can paint a picture, but they don't replicate the long-term usage experience that an average gamer considers when buying something for their PC.
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Congrats on reaching 15M Linus! You and your team have always brought something great to the algorithm!
Clickbait, mostly he brought clickbait titles thumbnails & video intros. Seriously if you skip the first few minutes of everyone video the viewing experience is far more pleasant.
15 million. There’s enough of us to be a small country or a massive city. Congrats Linus and LTT team!
@@michaelmayhem350 doesn't matter if the content actually useful and informative.
@@michaelmayhem350 obviously you don’t know how CZcams works. Linus wouldn’t be at 15M if he didn’t know what he was doing top to bottom.
Well it's 15 million more subscribers than I have.
I've been an a380one of these for a few months, the drivers are getting better on the monthly updates. The last set of drivers corrected the last of the oddball issues (text not rendering on some buttons in some games). OBS has a beta version that is supposed to support Arc features, I'd wait until that is bug checked and actually released (Probably Jan or Feb). XeSS plugin for Unreal Engine was also just released, it probably has other fixes and optimizations for Arc as well (probably waiting until about Feb 2023 as well for game updates with these). Minecraft Bedrock has raytracing for this in development/testing, again a wait for game updates.
I wouldn't recommend this as an 'Upgrade' Card, Re-Bar requirement. If you're making a new system and want to have ok game play while saving up for a big graphics card this will fill in (for the most part, check game capability first).
My questions have to do with the long run use of the card, can this be run in a secondary slot without interfering with the performance of a new main video card? Can we pair this with and AMD card for its Encoder? Will the Media server programs update for Arc Encoders (Use for video streaming computers)?
Intel will fully axe their GPUs before these updates come 😂
Well you will need 2 x DCA PCIe slots, though I doubt you want to spend that much.
And, just for the sake of the gimmick of 2 different GPUs at once!
That said there is no reason why you couldn't have both installed and just run one at a time with the other deactivated. You will 100% run into problems trying to duplex your GPU on a regular Mobo though...
Like you could easily have two satnavs in your car but realistically you can only use one at a time, you only have two eyes mate!!!!! Lol. You could have each GPU drive a separate display, but you wouldn't use both simultaneously for the same task.
EDIT :
You could actually do better if you want the encoder - to get an Intel CPU with a decent igpu on the die package and then a GPU for graphics. Intels (and infact AMD's to a lesser degree) encoders will outperform the nVidia ones by a fair whack whilst using less power and less GPU cycles. So if you do graphics or repro work, yeah get the igpu (Intel sadly are better for pure encode/decode at the moment; but AMD versatile and cheaper / better quality parts). Then you have your architecture linked PCIe (GPU) slot with your actual GPU in there as expected.
Perfect for work/play mix (much higher budget) = Intel modern APU plus Nvidia GPU.
Perfect for work/play mix (much lower budget) = Intel or AMD modern APU plus AMD GPU.
Perfect for just work = AMD modern APU + modern AMD GPU.
Perfect for just games (better raster, lesser ray tracing) = Intel modern CPU + modern AMD GPU.
Perfect for just games (RTX all the way babyyyy) = Intel CPU + modern nVidia GPU.
Just FYI I am a huge huge AMD supporter, I hold stocks and I buy lots of their products. But I have also to be objective in my work and feel that each setup has it's merits and you just have to get the right one for your own workload.
@@DailyCorvid I think the use case is to use one for actual gaming and one for encoding like when streaming or recording
I think it could work for people moving from a 10 or 16 series card, use Arc for newer games that can fully take advantage of it's performance and your older card for other games, I picked up my 1660 SUPER for 200 euros pre covid but they're still ridiculously expensive around here... An Arc card could probably beat out a 20 series card in price if they were brought to market here (ignoring the used market)
@@BobDevV I have a linux machine and an A770. It boots and runs the gnome desktop okay, but booting into KDE/plasma gets all psychadelic colors and everything. At that point I pulled the card and put back my 1030.
I love that this is a legitimate CEO. This is why I keep coming back to CZcams.
9:29 Once you go ARC, you stay in the dark.
oi
I upgraded my 1660 ti to an Arc A750. It's my daily driver now and surprisingly I didn't have many issues with it. The issues I did have I managed to fix by tinkering around for a week.
I upgraded from a 1660 Super to an A750 and I've had mostly no problems too. One thing that bothers me is lack of a ShadowPlay hotkey. I can't record my epic gaming moments after the fact. It clearly supports recording in the background but it doesn't let you save it, instead relying on some cryptic Highlights feature only a dozen games support.
@@HKlink i think obs has this feature, you can try it
@@AyoKeito For some reason the OBS version of this would stutter like hell...any ideas?
Also, sus profile pic there haha Loona fan, hm? x)
@@HKlink Try Medal, it's not a 100% solution but most of the time it works awesome for me, pretty much a drop in replacement for shadowplay - even has its own community where people share clips
what cpu do you have i have a 9 gen Cpu and i wanna upgrade my 1650 to a ARC but im scared about the cpu gen compatibility
What's funny is I actually side-graded to an A770 Arc because I like tinkering and I haven't actually needed to tinker with it once to play any of my usual games. I do get the occasional stutter though, but only with some games. Really looking forward to seeing how much of that's related to me playing the (seemingly) ideal set of games, or if people really overblew how bad these cards are. Best of luck Linus and Luke!
Edit: After watching the video, I think I can safely say: you had a much worse first-experience.
same, A770 has been a dream, but luckily the games it was strong in, Microsoft Flight Sim where it beats a 3070ti, Metro Exodus E.Edition maxed, where it still squeezes past a 3070ti, and RDR2 where it matches a 3070; were all games I wanted to try but was long waiting for a sale. Hell it runs Witcher 3 great with a 5800X3D sans Vulkan wrapper now at 1440p maxed too now. Ran Paladins fine, Spyro Reignited, Phasmophobia with the mates, and same with Forewarned.
@@anasevi9456 It is pretty nice on Linux, well on Archlinux ATM that is. If I were a Windows nerd I would just get a 3080 for 1440P and call it a day.
@@anasevi9456 That's some great taste in games right there!
So many people jump straight in with something to say before actually watching a video lol
So many dumb things said because they didn't even know the outcome, Just stomped in there with their grand opinion fishing for those likes (Not aimed at you, It's just your edit made me chuckle at the fact).
@@phoenixrising4995 Really? I'm curious about the GNU/Linux experience... How is it compared with AMD? No issues with proton?
DXVK, the DirectX 9-11 to Vulkan compatibility layer developed for Linux, also works fine on Windows. It should be much faster than the D3D9on12 or D3D11on12 used by the official ARC driver. It has been proven by some players that it works on ARC.
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MBR to GPT is exactly what I needed so thank you for the shout out to the source.
You and me both! Good luck!
Mbr2gpt is such a great command line tool. Literally just went thru this a few days ago. Although, you do NOT have to do it only in advanced startup. You can use the normal command line keys "mbr2gpt /convert /disk:(system disk) /allowfullOS" and it will allow you to run this command and convert the drive to gpt within the desktop while running cmd in administrator mode.
I will add that you should validate the drive first to make sure there will be no issues. The command is pretty much the same but with one difference. Just to reiterate, the convert command is "mbr2gpt /convert /disk:insert your system disk number /allowfullOS", you don't need allowfullOS if you are in advanced startup. The validate command is mbr2gpt /validate /disk:insert your system disk number /allowfullOS. Again, take out allowfullOS if you are in advanced startup, only use it if you want to use this cmd tool within the desktop cmd line in administrator mode.
Please place line endings on your comment to make it more readable, and less like Microsoft's own docs on mbr2gpt.
Also found it very useful. Our use-case was when enrolling older laptops into Bitlocker, as it was only supported in a UEFI boot mode.
100% this! I had this SAME problem, and was able to fix it with mbr2gpt
Thats really a great tool !!! Kudos to Microsoft !!!
Dude, I can't put my finger on it, but I loved this video! Maybe it was because it was the most "in the weeds" kinda scenarios we all find ourselves in everyday. Was too cool to see you guys problem solve as you went and overcome. Looking forward to seeing your progress. I'm a huge fan but this is the first video I felt compelled to comment on. Keep it up!
Same
Agreed, how they googled shit and were troubleshooting was exactly how me and my friend are when we are trying to figure stuff out together. Plus the dread of having to reinstall windows and losing your beat saber mods was a mood lmao!
10/10 video
Yeeppp, this is the absolute most relatable LTT video in years.
@@rage8010 oh yeah, Linus saying "he found a thread" was super relatable ahaha
You loved the video because they were at Linus's home and they acted like two buddies doing something for fun. That's the charm of many of LTT's videos, like the Intel upgrade ones. They try to make it very personal so you're watching friends instead of "pros".
i feel your pain with trying to get resizable bar to work. i recently went threw the exact thing like a month ago and it was agonizing. i feel much better now seeing linus out of all people having almost the same reaction to this as i did. the hair i pulled out is starting to grow back as well
As a Person who runs Arc A770 Linus Always over exaggerates issues with intel ARC.... I do plenty of gaming on my ARC GPU. Far Cry 5, Halo Infinite, Fallout 76, Also I can Run plenty of VR Titles including Beat Saber....The Steam VR Environment works fine for most titles. Only Place I have had Issues is the Steam VR home App... That seems to have an incompatible issue... Also, I didn't see Linus run DDU before his driver install.... Nvidia Drivers on an Arc system just don't do well. There are some growing pains but not nearly as bad as what this video make it look like. Plus, Intel is constantly releasing drivers with performance gains.
Regarding price to performance, the Arc series are pretty compelling if you run Linux. Since Linux translates DX calls to vulkan anyway, Arc doesn't lose out in performance when running older titles.
The part that does the translation is DKVK/D3DVK, which in theory should also work on Windows. I'd say that's worth a video.
@No_Name You can run older games at 4K 120 Hz with mods that improve graphics and other things. Also gaming on Linux can be much better than on Windows. Steam Deck is a great example. In Steam OS each game runs in it's own sandbox, so it won't left any files after uninstall. Steam OS also downloads shader cache while installing game, so no more stutter in-game. Overall Steam OS offers better gaming experience than Windows.
@No_Name but kde
@No_Name you've obviously never laid hands on Linux. If you did, you'd know that you can make it look and behave however you want, and with a lot less work than in the old days
@No_Name Linux is just faster, better and faster file systems, and with Steam Deck help every week better. And soon enough, games or versions made for the Steam Deck will obliterate in performance MS WOS dx12 ones.
I did not expect to learn that I can convert my old MBR boot partition to GPT in video, but I'm so glad I did! I was psyching myself up for a reinstall for months now, now maybe I don't have to. Thanks for the tech tip Linus!
same, actual tech tip I gained from the channel in a while lol
How do you know if your boot partition is MBR or GBT?
@@EvanA. You can check that in the Windows Disk Management utility. I figured out I have MBR by the fact that my system won't boot in the UEFI mode since that's only possible with GPT boot drive. Which essentially makes MBR incompatible with Windows 11, because it requires secure boot, which in turn requires UEFI.
Make sure to run a backup before converting. You never know when something goes wrong.
I got my game drive on MBR and my boot drive on GPT. Should I convert my game drive to GPT? Like is there any benefit to doing that now?
I definitely felt the pain when Linus was feeling it. Arc doesn't seem to be made for anything but single-monitor gaming machines running games using new API calls like those from DX12 or Vulkan. Until Intel gets a solution out, I doubt it'll be an upgrade path for me.
Dude your videos are a big help. I'm not at the point of being able to build and modify PCs yet but I was able to understand all the different products well enough to order a custom pc and hopefully decent monitor 👌 cheers.
I was literally backing up my files onto an old platter drive to do the reinstallation when this showed up. So much time saved. So many little tweaks i no longer have to reconfigure over the course of months! Thank you. Best tech tip I've ever had! MBR to GPT saved me most of my time off!
I wish that existed back when I needed it, doubt I'll ever need to convert MBR to GPT again.
@@grn1 that's only a good thing, at the end of the day :D
This 'downgrade' will be my upgrade in 10 years
tbf, the drivers should be fixed by then
@@BooleanDev 🤣
trueee, but they will be all in used devices.... :(
Maybe you'll have a far better experience using Arc on Linux, at the very latest with the 6.2 kernel release. As far as I know, Intel drivers are pretty decent on Linux, AMD drivers are the best and Nvidia drivers...yeah, hit or miss and in some important cases a really hard miss.
@@mahdi9064 As if used actually effects the performance. (It doesn't.)
I remember running mbr2gpt on my laptop in the middle of my history class when we didn't have any work to do. Everything worked great but the chkdsk afterwards took 40+ minutes if I recall and I had to carry it to my next class 15 minutes in.
I would LOVE it if you guys did some AV1 encoding and how those files work with Plex/Jellyfin. I'm having a hard time finding info on this which is the only thing holding me back from building an Arc rig.
LOVE videos like this that shows ACTUAL problem encounters. Please do more challenges ! Can't wait for pt. 2
Yes, thank you LTT! Usually the actual problems are cut out of the "EVERYTHING IS AWESOME" CZcams content.
15 million subs & 15 years of watching you my dude. Crazy crazy crazyyy how time flies. I'm 28 now and was 13 back when I first started to become obsessed with tech.
Appreciate how you've continued to stay as genuine and humble as you have while becoming one of the highest respected tech channels in the western world.
We truly appreciate you.
I only remember hearing about him when the tech dropping meme vid got big. Then gradually started watching more. You were here before that. It has been a while.
@@chickenmonger123 Yea he was a part of NCIX back in those days. Still remember when they moved to the first official office, and now looks at them. Crazy to see such lovely humans grow to this size and still be those same humble beings without any of the growth and wealth get to them.
Love the rawness with this video! We all can relate to Linus's frustration. Good luck on your challenge!
I actually wanted to get an ARC, but it was impossible to buy it where I live, even well after the release... As far as I can see, they messed up the supply chain too. It's a completely different story compared to buying an Intel CPU.
Oh hey MBR2GPT.
I've had fun with that one.
If you've got a problem with "can't be performed" it's probably an issue with swap space, and if you shrink a partition (say like a gig or two) it then has enough to work.
I've done like 20 computers at work like that thanks to a fun combination of legacy boot, windows update, and 3rd party encryption causing dead boots.
You don't even have to convert your bootdrive from mbr to gpt. UEFI supports booting from any fat32 partition, regardless of the partition table.
Just reuse your boot partition or create a new one with fat32 and use bcdboot to write a new UEFI compatible bootloader to it.
All from windows without having to boot into a winpe.
The switch is only necessary if you want to use a partition that is larger than 2 TB.
@@Stockbruch Sort of, it's mostly an issue with BIOS support. In this case it was just a bizarre comedy of errors of a bunch of Dell laptops
I used mbr2gpt just last year on my personal machine. Worked great!
That moment when the forum has earlier access than floatplane
No, you don't have to reformat the whole computer to go from BIOS to UEFI! I did it by (1) fresh install of WIn10 on a blank drive, (2) copy old Win10 partition in place of new, and (3) running bootrec and BCDBoot. ... I wish I knew about the mbr2gpt tool last month!!
Looking forward to part 3!
Would be interesting to see coverage of DXVK on ARC, apparently it's quite good, because it works wonders with Proton and ARC handles VK quite well in many cases. Might have even been a better choice than Microsoft's crappy solution.
Yes!! I really hope they make a vid about it
It is all about devs and how did they code their games, directx12 and other ones are pretty fine.
Dxvk really works well with arc, games are much more stable at least, but it think it is more like intel is using very crappy solution for old api's thingy than it is Microsoft's crappy solution thingy. Amd and nvidia are good with all api's right now, they even released/releasing few drivers to improve api wise performance. Intel is the one who is late and bad at it.
@@ysnyldrm73 Intel is using Microsofts emulation solution for DX9, so it's kinda their fault too. Microsoft should have just built a better solution and Intel should have chosen DXVK over Microsofts solution
That was my first thought to: Its crappy on windows, try DXVK on Linux.
@@cromefire_ Definitely, a few dll swap is enough tho. Like gta4 runs much better with arc/dxvk on windows. But I still did not understand, why the heck they need to use dx9to12, why intel can not support it natively like amd/nvidia and even they did before arc cards. Intel choose this method to cut time to work on dx11, microsoft did not push them to use it if I know it correctly. Why it is microsoft's fault then. Dxvk is totally different solution, unlike dx9to12 it is totally aimed to get better/nativelike performance. It is just a poor decision from intel then.
I simply do not thing dx9to12 is the problem since it should not be used this type of "performance" cards from the first place.
Like even simulating avx2 with avx1 cpu costs too much performance (intel also has their own simulation tools in their website.).
If performance is the aim for a product why the heck it uses emulation.
I guess we all have the same idea. I’ve been about a month in with my A750 - switched from a 3080. Been quite a ride 🙂
Any regrets?
efeectively you went from a 3080 to a 3050ti, yikes.
I mean thats just the most unrealistic switch, ever.
@@phoenixrising4995 is closer to 3060. A 3050 Ti still out performs a 1660 Ti (though not worth upgrading from). People overbuild all the time. If they're having fun, it doesn't matter. Just buying it, but not using it doesn't make it show on the Steam survey.
I went from 3090 ti Sli to A30 and I’ve never been more satisfied 😊
This was honestly really entertaining. All the issues of upgrades and reinstallation felt so real, I've been putting off reinstalling my windows because of all the little bits and bobs I need to re-do :'3
Linus, the next time you get to use and benchmark ARC GPUs it would be really interesting if you could also test them using the DXVK libraries.
They are a translation layer from DX 9/10/11 to Vulkan originally developed for Linux, but they do work on Windows too. As the ARC GPUs perform way better with Vulcan, it'd be really interesting to see if DXVK makes a difference
I honestly hope Intel keeps up at this product. I love interesting, niche hardware and would love to see a this competitor in this field
They need to give it time to mature. And that is a big ask for a company like Intel as they're beholden to the shareholders. Especially as the worlds economies are slowing down or entering recession (cries a little in being British).
Dude, get serious, Intel Arc is CRAP !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 well yeah, no shit the first gpus of amd and nvidia were also crap. But we can't complain about the pc market having high prices and no competition and then go on and talk shit about intel arc
Using DXVK is a huge help for Intel ARC even for newer cards from NVIDIA and specially AMD.
15:10 Just close your eyes and pretend you're listening to two good friends just helping each other
Linus, about the beat saber songs. move them outside the beat saber folder and link that folder to your beat saber folder so it shows where it is supposed to be, but really it's just a folder link. have a batch file ready for creating the link, and one for removing the link.
This will make things much easier since you can now make backups of only the game and mods.
I do this with avatars too. remember to unlink the custom songs folder before you make a backup otherwise it will take those too.
And re-link the custom songs folder when you are done.
Honestly I’m excited for Battlemage. If stability is fixed and performance and price scale well, a B780/B790 could be a great card.
given how A770 performs, aka an utter monster that kerb stomps the 3070ti in Microsoft flight sim maxed, and still beats it in Metro Exodus EE maxxed raytracing, which won't even boot if you don't have a Raytracing supporting videocard: Expect the performance in super heavy Ray Traced game to be superlative, and DX11, okay, and DX9 serviceable but bad for it's tier. So yeah it will be a $800-1000usd card at least prob focused on playing the latest and greatest and 4k/8k,
but not for low setting high fps/hz gamers at all.
@@anasevi9456 Use DXVK for dx9-11 stuff. Linux works well on it with mesa 22.2 or later and Linux kernel 6.0 or later.
You plan to game on an intel laptop? Because current rumors are the Battlemage will be pretty much a laptop product as they have scaled down their asperations.
You'd better hope so, or else you aren't getting gpus from intel after that. Arc was on the chopping block and likely still is unless the team can turn things around by the time battlemage launches with the driver situation.
@@ReivecS Yikes.
I actually setup a PC from used parts to test run my A770. So far it works with some workarounds, waiting for kernel 6.2 and future Mesa releases in hopes of better performance and maybe OneVPL (with Handbrake or something) for encoding.
Have you experienced GPU hanging when trying to play games? Particularly DX12 games using the bleeding edge Proton/Vkd3d?
Dose proton help at all with converting games into vulkan?
@@ruineka_one arc have performance issues but not crash, amd drivers crash
@@ruineka_one at least not on the games I try, DXVK works well for me. I can't say the same if OpenGL is used. I ran Yuzu and it doesn't really work, but I heard Ryujinx work though.
@@Deliinii if it uses DXVK, it should be fine.
14:33 Linus mentioned that the Sliger is the smallest mATX case. I think the ZZAW B3 is smaller in terms of case volume, although it needs an SFX power supply
Man it feels weird seeing a tech tip come up in a video AFTER I've already had to research/use it. I got a new mobo a while back that had some really flaky behaviour with a MBR format boot drive and eventually struggled my way through to finding the MBR2GPT tool and felt so proud when it worked.
Maybe try DXVK on Windows to improve performance, some have tested it and experienced massive increases in performance for some titles.
Yeah I really hope they make a video on this.
@@ezra1369 Nobody has yet and I always say duh try DXVK
Driver updates fix tons of issues- every time you do a GPU review you should do a first driver update, first month, and first year follow-up video (for one or more products per video). Maybe Arc is weak now but Radeon 6000 also had issues too, before AMD rewrote their drivers.
16:55 Yep, that's the exact reaction I had when I found out I can't use ReBAR on my machine.
Carried forward my drives since Vista.. and they still have a working Vista/7 install on them (well, ignoring Ryzen not having USB drivers), along with my cloned 7 upgraded to 10 which is my daily driver. That's literally 15 years of history I have to uproot and destroy to be able to use ReBAR, a PCI-E feature that's existed for 20.
Aint the industry great?
And to be clear, mbr2gpt doesn't solve my problem, because the old OS' won't start anymore regardless of CSM being enabled or not. It only works for the Win10 installs. And to make matters worse, mbr2gpt only works for active system drives, so I can't even convert a cloned drive the old OS's are on as a workaround. And then there's my HBA.. which needs CSM enabled to have the drives show up. Having to change BIOS options every single time I boot to a different OS is even more of a pain than booting to it in the first place.
I'm probably a 0.001% use case, but it's a show stopping issue for me.
How do you run windows for more then a week without it being completely broken?
Definately sounds awful.
I don't always know what's happening in these videos but I love the best friend arc between Linus and Alex. Over the years just becoming closer and closer. Best bros for life
I bought an A770 two weeks ago... it was a bit difficult setting it up... sure... but honestly... if you are willing to put in the work for trouble shooting in the setup, it's pretty good.
Best wishes to their GPU department, it would be a shame to see they stop trying.
I mean, most of the trouble you'll be shooting is that you have an ARC gpu and they're shite
there is no glory in being an early adopter in an already-established market
@@Orochistorm of course, but I can also assure you, almost every single person that bought an arc gpu knows what they are getting themselves into, we just want to give what little help we could.
It's not because it's as good as we wished, it's because we want them to become better.
@@josephdu1952 True, but there is little that you can realistically do. Take it from someone who has an A380. Arc Control has noped itself out of existence with the latest BETA drivers and I've spent about eight hours in the last week trying to manually uninstall everything, using DDU, scouring the web for a unrelated error code supposedly related to Windows Update. The only thing I've yet to do barring deleting a folder in Windows Update is completely reinstall my system. Thankfully, I don't have much anymore that I absolutely care about and I do have some external storage to stick the stuff that I do have, but I have never had to nuke a system just to get basic functionality from a piece of hardware. And this is including Linux drivers for AMD and Nvidia. Those involved some staring at a terminal for about an hour, but never chucking a system out.
The worst part is that the drivers are so borked, that fucking QSV AV1 on Handbrake is fucked and I don't want to spend time trying to figure out how ffmpeg actually works just to transcode my Blu-Rays. IT HAD ONE FUCKING JOB AND IT FUCKING FAILED! Great job Raja! And since the community is both so small and new, no one really has a good solution for any problem, so you're forced to figure it out on your own. I was told that I should just return the thing and realistically, I just might if I still can and score a used 5500XT instead.
Hopefully, Intel does get it sorted out tho. 250+ FPS on AV1 (when it actually works) is crazy and means that I can use its unimaginable cosmic powers to stash a bunch of movies and stuff in a itty bitty living space. The A310 sounds like the perfect card for the job when it decides to actually exist.
@@EbonySaints honestly ffmpeg is not that bad. I'm not a fan of command line but i find it's really easy to do some exotic things in ffmpeg and not bother with searching for a replacement with gui tuned to that specific usecase.
I now have around 10-20 bat files doing anything i can hope to do with ffmpeg, i just drag and drop a file i need to process and it's done.
Since you only need to re-encode video (and probably with the same settings anyway, copying sound) it'll be a quite easy command. Try something like:
ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -c:v av1_qsv -crf 20 av1_test.mkv
@@EbonySaints haha that sounds like a pain lol. The drivers has been much kinder in my experience,but who knows, maybe it will prove me wrong in another week.
0:04 A750 magically turns into an A770. Amazing power!
The recent massive improvements on DX9 performance with a driver update does make me think this card will "age like fine wine" as Linus has said about other products. The hardware potential of ARC has not yet been unlocked but with software improvements a pretty cheap ARC 750 could end up being a sleeper deal. I'm sure Intel isn't done improving the drivers.
19:10 i had a SAME problem, and if you have multiple DISKs (SSD OR HDD) connected while installing windows, it will not boot (without issues) without one of them. So when you install fresh copy, just plug ONLY THE DISK you want windows to, you can add others later.
8:53 running Linus is something I didn't know I needed in my life
That slide tho
I get the feeling this will be a lot more rough than the Linux gaming challenge
Linus has a linux-curse though. Linux actively explodes when he's near it. Arc has an advantage in that department.
@@adwaawddw4730 eh, it was more of a reading comprehension issue, and pop_os issue.
16:55 - you do not have to format a drive to change from MBR to GPT. It can all be done in CLI when booting from a Windows Media USB tool
Okay nevermind, they found the mbr2gpt tool later in the video. I'm so glad 🤣
Yup I'm in... I had my install formatted I'm MBR instead of GPT. I saw the conversion but never got around to it because was afraid of losing data or having issues. Probably going to try it someday. Thank you sharing the experience
Please consider trying DXVK(steam deck magic library)'s windows version for "DX 9&10&11 to Vulkan" conversion!
I think the most recent release for DXVK came out after they filmed this video. I hope to see them try it in part 2.
@@smudgeone funny how something developed for linux gaming might help people running arc on windows.
Thanks so much for the brave move! That makes so much sense. LTT will be the (being the first) authoritative source for new Intel GPU effort. It is so important not to let Intel GPU die so that ALL customers will have access to powerful and gentle for wallet products. Maybe there will be 3 GPU actors well alive if the info about problems gets to buyers and prices are competed. I'm in EU where those prices by default are always 25% more than in US. So it really hurts to pay 400 for entry level 8GB GPU.
Yea, we need something "balanced" at the lower end of gpu. intel maybe have a room to kick amd and nvidia there
I'm glad I had a much easier experience with my Intel Arc 770 LE.
I swap around video cards in 2 different machines just to switch up my PC experience now and then, so things don't feel stale.
(use old cards sometimes on an older machine and appreciate what 10 year old tech can still do, go to my most powerful rig and appreciate what new tech can do)
When I pulled my AMD 5700xt out and put in the Arc 770LE it went as smooth as usual when uninstalling old drivers and putting in the new ones. Intel ARC drivers installed in about the same amount of time as the AMD ones have with a pretty good sample size.
I notice minor issues with the Intel drivers but I haven't pushed them too hard yet.
While I've been more of an AMD "fan boy" in the last 6 years or so, with Intel getting into the GPU market I'm going to lean Intel this time around.
"Do maternal" is the best auto subtitle I have ever seen for Doom Eternal.
My dad bought an Arc A770 last month, it's even the edition with the extra RGB lighting strip.
I'm proud of him for sticking it to nVidia.
I'm hoping to buy an AMD card this holiday season to replace my 1050ti. The prices of those 6700s are pretty tempting...
Edit: When installing the A770 we had the same identical issue with a cable touching a fan and making an awful racket. I got a weird feeling of deja vu watching the video, lol.
I've seen some very cheap 6600XTs and 6700 10GB cards on ebay lately. Might be time for that upgrade.
Alex was having too much fun XD it was amazing, also I would like to see Luke's side, this was chaotic and difficult but a lot of it had to do with Linus' particular use case, I wonder if Luke had an easier time installing his card, IIRC his PC is pretty standard.
I really felt linus on the boot drive issue, i also play VR a lot, and all the configs i have set up took tens of HOURS upon tens of hours to set this up
I dont get why he dont just mirror the install to a new drive with gpt? :P
@@vir042 To be fair he did say that he could just back everything up, but that'd just be a hassle and whatever, so I guess it's really just another "gosh I'm too tired for any of these standard solutions, why can't there be an easier one?" situation that I honestly cannot ever fault, because imagine having to put in an ARC GPU into your VR machine.
@@hamingnu6610 Sounds like a nightmare given my machine barely runs some crazy games.
The way Linus drifts around door frames makes me happy to know I'm not the only adult who does that! :p
19:50 When linus tech tips, require tech tips! Shout out indeed! 😂😂😂
i’ve been using an A750 and tbh, haven’t finished the video yet, but in most of my circumstances it worked fine. granted my games are mostly minecraft, subnautica, and various other not so graphically intensive games. but they were great for me. and for less than a 3060 i get way more than i thought.
same here, a770, worst issue i had was a few games would recognise onboard gpu as primary display so i just disabled it in bios and problem solved, other than that not really had any issues i can think of
@@psims7342 i had a slightly similar issue but it got solved within like minutes im pretty sure i just disabled and reenabled the iGPU after the drivers were installed
But why an ARC instead of a 6600XT? Just to tinker?
@@omegaPhix to tinker and because i couldn’t find a 6600XT around me at that time. had i waited like literally 3 days i probably could’ve found one but i went for an all intel build and i have an upgrade path to 13th gen cpus.
there's a windows tool to convert Legacy/mbr to UEFi takes 2 mins, if you use allowfullos it'll do it from the desktop too
dont be shy, tell us what its called
Isn't that literally what they did?
I like how Linus' biggest gripe is having to remod his BeatSaber. I truly felt that one.
Linus has the only bag of old tech that's actually useful. I'm really happy you guys found the MBR to GPT utility. I was about to type a tutorial.
I noticed that radiator at the back of the server rack is a big aluminum unit. Since most water blocks are made of copper, the copper ions that inevitably swim around in the coolant loop will quickly corrode the aluminum radiator.
That’s a problem only for people like Linus who insist on using plain distilled water instead of proper coolant. To counter your point, 90% of AIOs I know of sport a naked copper plate in combination with an aluminium radiator.
I'm sure they know about mixed metals.
@@agenericaccount3935 they mention it quite a bit
@@martinlhzy while the aluminium oxide layer is indeed tough, it isn't that remarkably impervious to galvanic corrosion especially in maritime settings. Even the slow dripping of condensate from a refrigerator's copper heat exchanger onto an aluminium hull will eventually corrode a hole; which has happened to some US Coast Guard vessels in the 70s.
It's a non-issue with the setup being used. First it's a temporary solution, and second, the loop is just two of those radiators. The set-up is just an head exchange with outside air to cool the room.
Take a complete image of your drive to an external drive. Test the image and you are golden. Great video
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19:09 There’s nothing quite like getting a tech crash course from Floor Linus.
Alex has just reached “legendary status” by wearing a Flex Seal cap.
"Lets see if this baby will float!"
I'm glad linus checking on the mbr2gpt tool thing because I was screaming at my phone when he was talking about reformatting the drive
Macrium Reflect would be a help. I've had to use this many times to save disk images when doing testing and upgrades like this, where it would take forever to get the current optimum setup recreated.
19:04 Alex's toes went uwu
I had the exact same thing happen when I switched to my most recent GPU (a 6700xt from a 1660S) and tried to enable Re-Bar. I did the same thing converting to GPT, and the process was tough for a novice, but doable. Took a couple trips into the bios, a few days of procrastinating and asking "really? there's no easier way?", and a few hours of actually doing it, but it wasn't bad. Glad you guys used the same utility, cause it means I did the right thing. Definitely helps frames in WZ.
I had to go through that same pain a while back when enabling rebar. The mbr2gpt tool saved the day, for sure.
OMG! I laughed my a** off almost all the way through this. THIS is me when I try to change out the most insignificant piece of hardware on ANY machine!! That MBR >GPT conversion tool is invaluable though. I'm definitely bookmarking the link for that for the next time i have to do any kind of upgrade!!😂
Dxvk is a thing for games with for older API’s like DX9, DX10 and DX11. I tested it and made comparison video and some games got almost like twice the performance. Some games don’t work but the ones that do it’s a no brainer.
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