6.5 Creedmoor - 140gr Hornady Match BTHP with RL26 and RL17
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- Testing the 140gr Hornady Match BTHP with Alliant Reloder 26 and Reloder 17. The test gun is a Thompson Center Compass.
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Just thought I’d get my licks in early. 😇
Would be interest in comparing Reloder 17 or 26 in standard load workup vs the 10 shot load workup idea and see what ya get...Just fire a couple fouling shots first.
The hot primers photos on the bench are excellent examples of what a reloader should watch for when using hot loads. It shows when to stop. Great group on the Re17 where you have 4/5 into nearly the same hole with 41.4 gr.
This is awesomeness totally digging the 6.5 vids. My lady got me the Thompson center compass in 6.5 creedmoor for Xmas and now I have tons of reloading data from good old JRB.
Something special about getting multiple Johnny videos in just a couple of days! Yay!
Thanks for making the vids I am looking forward to loading my own 6.5 rounds really liking what I'm seeing on the RL17 Thanks again
I love how you are willing to find out just how much powder can you put in that case. Way to many nervous Nancy’s and safety Sally’s out there. Good stuff man.
My favorite projectiles... been waiting for this one!!!
This is a great video. Thank you so much for sharing this.
Thanks to your videos I’m loading the 123grain Hornady SST. I’m getting 2900 FPS with 44.8 grains of H4350 Hornady brass and CCI250 primers I’m gettin 5 shots at 1/4” group and a 1/2 with 44.4 grains. Best of all is almost 2700 foot pounds of energy slams hogs and deer. Using Ruger American 6.5
Keep up the good work. I would love to see some more mk 262 clones.
Great stuff! Please more testing with RL26!
Thanks for the video. Very enjoyable and informative.
Johnny we need some videos of reloader 26 with 143 eldx in the 6.5 creedmoor !!!!!!
Great Video! Great shooting!
Great video!
I’m addressing your high left first shots... It would be interesting if you did a first shot only or cold bore group. Take one shot on a bullseye, put the gun to side for an hour or so to cool down and then shoot your next shot for a five shot group. Would also be interesting to see if the same pattern happens on a cold day vs a really hot day. I know this a 3 year old video and maybe has been addressed but I’m just seeing them now. I also have a new 6.5 creedmoor in a CZ 557 that I haven’t shot yet. Gun: check, rings: check (after two attempts to get the correct 19mm dovetails), Ammo: check. Self: ... half check - recovering from spinal surgery so I’ve had lots of time to watch your great videos! Keep em coming Johnny!!
Great information
Excellent video
Hornady American Gunner 140 BTHP bulk pack is what I used on my TC compass
0.7-0.9 moa
Very good for factory ammo
Perhaps it’s time to bush the firing pin hole in the bolt face? Those are some fantastic groups today!!! I really enjoy your channel and appreciate all the work and testing you put out for your audience. Keep up the great work 🙂
I’ve tested hundreds of loads chasing distinguished. A few things I found in small rifle primers is 205M AR have a thick cup vs 205M. They are my favorite. 7.5 Remies are also thick. Winchester pierce. CCI BRs are thicker too but I thought not as thick as 7.5s. Not quite sure now. Also, with Reloader powders on a clean barrel i always needed 7 shots on a match AR to get the groups to settle down.
Another possibility is to have a firing pin bushing installed, especially in a $300 rifle that has a loose fit between the pin and bolt. Gre-Tan Rifles is known to do it but in my Savage 110 I adjusted the pin to stick farther out where the thicker shank is and trim off the excess over 0.056
I know this video was three years old, but the fix to the compass can be made by replacing the stock firing pin spring with a heavy duty spring. This guy is also famous for hand fires/misfires. The extrusion of the primers is because the pressure is pushing the firing pin back against the less than robust spring. A new spring will fix both problems.
I got mine used about a month ago. I sighted in with 3 different kinds of ammo.....Hornady North American Whitetail 129gr Interlocks (shot just a tad over 1"), Winchester 130gr Power Points (horrible groups), and Remington 140gr PSP Cor-Loks (.6" groups). Strangely, I shot the best groups with the thread protector off the end of the barrel when shooting. Did not shoot near as well with it on. Dropped a ranch cull 11/3 here on my son's ranch in Llano, Texas. Optics used is a Pentax Pioneer 4.5-14x42.
Just got my rebate for my .223. Took almost 6 months but it got here.
Go back and watch your first shots with 47.3 grains of RL-26. Watch the position of your front sling swivel stud and how your gun recoils with each shot. Notice the vertical rise when the stud contacts the front rest and how the gun recoils normally (mostly rearward with very little muzzle rise) when it doesn't. A tip I picked up from Gunwerks is to ensure there is a couple of fingers worth of clearance between the swivel and the front rest.
Good content. Thanks
Glad I watched this video. Rebarreled my Ruger Precision Rifle with a Krieger heavy 1:8 twist. Blissfully loaded up some H4350 41.9 grains as I had done with my old barrel. Big mistake. Just paying attention to the chronograph. Muzzle velocity seemed at little high (30 FPS above usual) then bang, smoke from the action. CCI BR2 primer blowout. Morale of the story, assume nothing, ever. Always start low and work up to maximum charge weight.
In my savage stealth I get amazing results with the 140 bthp, federal brass from their non typical white tail line of ammo, 47.8 grains of reloader 26, and CCI 450 primers. It's a bit over pressure I'm sure but it is a constant half MOA at an average of 2811 fps with a SD of about 12 fps. Could be better for sure but it is just so consistent I can't bring myself to develop another load.
What is kind of interesting is that the Alliant Powder site shows all of their 6.5 Creedmoor recipes using Alliant 16...
I just started prepping for same bullet, same powder (Rx17), FGMM primers and Hornady bras for my T3x ctr. Like what I see from your groups.
Are you going to retry RL26 with the CCI primers? That powder seems to have alot of potential.
Johnny,
TC Has extended the rebate deal until April 2018.
Kentucky Gun Co. Seems to be the cheapest deals.
Great info as always. Great to see the Rl-26 info. I wonder if you took this rifle out to the LRSU if you could set the record for cheapest rifle for the 1k milk jug challenge?
could run some 6.5 cm loads unsurpressed….. would like to see the groups and vlcty because I thunk they tighten up on some of the compressed loads....i love watching your reloads and you have givin me a lot ofeducation and ideas
Great stuff JRB, love this 6.5 Creedmoor series. Shooting .5” groups and putting 4 of 5 rounds through the same hole in a gun that cost $197 (that’s what I paid) after rebate is a insane value. That first round shot drifting high on a cold bore as you know is normal. And of course credit to you as your shooting has improved also, your doing great. I just picked up some More RE17 and will definitely pick up some of these Hornady 140 Match BTHP bullets to try.
JRB I also think CCI 41 would work better with hot charges, but with all the issues of hang fire and certain small primers being picky with hang-fires and also the cratering issue with the small primers in 6.5 Creedmoor what do you think about switching to Large rifle primer brass for continued testing in 6.5 Creedmoor once you wear out this brass? The large primer 6.5 Creedmoor brass from Starline also looks to be a good value.
Thanks again.
Wow 41.4 looks great you should try this without the can to show how much point of impact changes
That's good accuracy for the money and it doesn't seem to matter what part of the fore end you use on this gun. Good shooting Johnny.
Can you do a series with the Bergara B14 HMR?
I just got 2970 fps with RL 26 , 27 degrees fuckin tornado wind..... .75 group ..... I'll take it .... No heavy bolt lift... 24" Bergara HMR 6.5 creedmoor. Thank you Johnny !!!!!
Definitely a great video. Of course now is a tough time for reloading components which leads to my asking if you have tried any BLC-2 for 140 grain 6.5 CM? I have tons of that and not any of the other popular powders for 140+ 6.5 CM.
By the way, the first shot may very likely been the result of the silencer.
Noticed your front swivel stud was hitting the rest in recoil. Might want to push out a little more.
You might try magnum primers with the RL26, they have harder cups.
Oh boy, more 6.5
I suggest pulling your front swivel stud for better grouping. I noticed on some of your shots the stud hitting the front rest.
Out of this shot group I was most impressed with the reloader 17 At 41.7 gr with that impressive standard deviation of 3.7
Really enjoy your videos. Have you ever done anything with the 260 Remington
This is the bullet that shoots the best in my RPR.
Oh I forgot to say I think TC has extended the rebate you might check in on that
Whatever Remington uses in their primers, it burns much hotter than most others.
your videos have all been great. I am curious about your 22 Nosler workup; have you taken it off the burner or are you trying to geta new barrel?
Definitely a great video. Of course now is a tough time for reloading components which leads to my asking if you have tried any BLC-2 for 140 grain 6.5 CM? I have tons of that and not any of the other popular powders for 140+ 6.5 CM.
I'm sure gonna miss you. I've learned a lot from ya. please post where and if you're gonna move to.
Jusy an FYI, Hornady 140 gr ELDM, Hornady brass, CCI200 primers, 42.2 gr RL17, 2841 avg MV, 5.2 SD, 14 ES. No pressures signs, case is not full, still well below the neck. Ruger Precision Rifle, 6.5CM. YMMV.
Great video Johnny! I've looked online for those 1" orange targets you use, but I can't find them. Can you let us know where you get those? Do you get the large paper sheets from craft stores? Thanks again for such great tech info! You are one sharp guy, and I'm sure you've helped many of us improve!
Robert Tisch I get them from any sporting good store. Just birchwood Casey ones I think.
Hey dude I’d be curious to see some of the Hornady hunting bullets through the gel.
Love the videos done very well. I was wondering if you would be able to and will to do this same projectile with IMR4064. It's what is most available to me with where I'm at and have been curious about trying it. Thanks in advance. And again love the videos.
JRB FYI Alliant (makers of Rl-17 & 26) shows no data with these powders in the 6.5 CM. The only powders they show data for is RL-16
Just an idea for you, I think I noticed in your form. Your cheek weld may be shifting a touch (1/4 to 1/2 inch) back and forth on your stock. I think I saw the biggest shift on that 41.4 after your couple minute break till you "settled" back into your groove. May look at adding a kisser button for better cheek consistency. A rubber band or painters tape placed on the stock at the corner of your mouth really helps for our precision and smallbore shooters during training. Just a thought.
I used reloader 16 at 41.5 gr with same bullets, random brass and got .280” groups at 100 yards
Try and remove the front sling stud, it can interfere with rifle during recoil, may affect groups.
Do you like the reloader 17 as much as H4350 with the hornady match bthp bullets? Also, how much trouble was it for you to figure out to back off of your charges a bit with the starline brass due to smaller case capacity? Love the channel. I'm learning tons.
It's called Cold Bore shoot DDMs Snipers have to know this for their guns!! I know this is 4 years late and I am sure someone has told you by now.
What was the reasoning for going with brass with a Small Rifle Primer Pocket instead of a Large Primer Pocket both are offered by Starline Brass for the 6.5 Creedmoor?
RL17 is looking pretty forgiving. Didn't notice any impact shift at all throughout the test loads. That's something positive to look for when I'm pitting together a hunting load. I agree the #41 primers probably a better choice for max loads.
You'll usually see nodes between 41.3-41.6 and 42.5-42.8 with rl17.
I saw a real nice sd in there on that rl17. Have you shot a rifle before with the 5r? Just wondering if you can clearly tell an accuracy change with that rifling? Nice groups for $200 gun. Remember you’re fouling round and ramble on!! Good stuff
I would like to see you take a load that has a low sd and a so so group size and load several different oal to see if group size gets any better and maintains low sd
I’ve had problems with Remington primers myself. Too bad they are so consistent.
I'm curious as to how far from zero your first shot will be in your hunting configuration. Do you plan to hunt with the suppressor on? Or maybe it is in its hunting configuration; you could geek out the FPS and bullet expansion of the shot you smoked a deer with.
Please revisit this with reloader 26 143eldx and CCI 250 primers .... 🤔🤔🤔
I know this video is old but im having one hell of a time getting my 22" aero 65 to cycle properly. Its always short stroking with factory and hand loads. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Ive checked everything and differnt loads powders and everything else i can thing of i need more pressure but try not to go out of the books peramiters im thinking about going above max or working up a ladder with mag. Primers. Thanks for any advice out there keep putting out that good content
41.4 was great!
Have you considered getting your bolt face bushed with a reduced diameter firing pin? My 6.5 Creedmoor AR build had constant cratering, top hating, and piercing of the primers with the standard 308 bolt and firing pin. Got the high pressure bolt with reduced diameter orifice and pin, and all the primer issues went away. Might be something to think about.
Have you tired those with IMR8208XBR? I got awesome groups with them using it out of my 12FV Savage. The groups were under half an inch for 5 shot groups. I will have to get a chronograph to check for the numbers before I go long range with them.
Remington primer cups are all thin from my experience. I made the mistake of using them in a 223 load for my AR. Pierced a few primers without realizing it and marred up my firing pin a little bit.
Joe Franklin actually, read here and remember the CCI #41 is the same primer as the CCI 450, they have the same primer cup thickness as the Remington 7 1/2. Remington designed the 7 1/2 for the benchrest shooters who are loading 22PPC and 6PPC to massively high pressures, upwards of 60k psi. I think what killed his primers here was the sloppy bolt face to firing pin fit. Cratering is an issue at any pressure from this gun, but even at lower charges it is excessive by my standard. Were it mine, I would send it back to T/C and ask them to fix that.
www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/primers-and-pressure-analysis/
Edit: if you had said Federal instead of Remington you would be correct though, they've been notoriously thin from day 1.
Please switch primer and play with seating depth with RL26 keep up the great videos
Im curious if you were getting cratering on the large primers....maybe your getting too much primer cavity presure with small primers.
I’m interested in something, what would be the difference in pressures using Large rifle primers vs Small Rifle primers ?
Do H4350 with theses 140s! Thanks for getting these sold out everywhere btw 😩
What is your opinion on Starline cases? I was considering making a purchase of Starline but instead bought Alpha Munitions cases. How does Starline compare to Hornady cases, in 6.5 CM; 250 cases @ $125.00 a good deal?
Great bullet for shooting groups. My only concern is 750 yards and beyond. What do y’all think?
I have some reloloder 22. Can this be used in a 6.5 creedmoor cartridge? If so which bullet do you advise using?
It’s time to enjoy the 260 Rem in a long action video
Big Gee if you go long action, might as well use 6.5-284 and get even better performance.
260rem is a short action cartridge
I’ve been toying with a Thompson idea, but in 223. Anybody have an idea how long the magazine will let you load?
Still can't fathom how accurate that TC Compass is. You are really at 50 yds, aint ya? Still trying to get my Savage heavy barrels to perform like this. Using your techniques of course. :)
how about trying the nosler RDF 130 grain, but i cant find any myself
I have a custom mauser 6.5 Creedmoor build i just finished. Ran some Hornady 120gr ELD MATCH and got 1/4 in 3 shot group at 200yrds. I picked up some RL17 to try, i just wanna to recreate that setup they made any suggestions?
You have a sling swivel just ahead of the front bag ??
Will the Hornady stems work in other seating dies? I mean with different man. Dies.
How about a series with a 6.5 PRC and reloder 23 !!!!!!
My rifle shot really well with the Hornady match, where it was not even worth reloading. The "American Gunner" 6.5 Creedmoor which I assume was the same bullet as the ones you got, shot horrible. For the couple pennies each more for the A-Max or ELD, wasn't something I looked at further.
the 140 bthp's shoot well but they won't feed in my rifle [6.5 cm in ruger am.] To use up my old ones in a flyshoot I had to take the magazine out and use fingers from underneith to get them in the breach..
Please load 6.5 Creedmoor with 135 grain Berger Classic Hunter with Alliant Reloader 23
I would really like to see how H4831/H4831sc would do since its right between RL17 and RL26 in burn rate
steve feldt
I tested this on a RPR a few years ago.
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Do you use ear protection when doing these?
Give those Gold Medal AR primers a shot in the 6.5 crater machine. See how they hold up?
Might just be the camera angle... but at about 19.20 that barrel seems to bent to buggery. Might be an optical illusion though.
Have you ever tried Imr 4831 in the 6.5 cm
Please try reloaded 19. It works well in my 260.
I wonder how many Compass models you have sold for TC? Maybe they should consider sponsoring you....
Please repeat this test with the largest bullets made for the 6.5 creedmor but make RL26 powder load be no higher than the cartridge can take without compression to compare the two test
I shoot either those hornadys or nosler CCs in 308s, depending what i can find cheapest