Detailing the Abusive Leadership of Jeremy Riddle & Alan Scott
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- čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
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Sadly, Jeremy Riddle (the worship pastor) and Alan Scott (the senior pastor) from Dwelling Place Anaheim are spiritually abusive men. Beware.
00:00 Intro
02:17 Part 1: The Crushing Atmosphere
07:04 Part 2: The Systemic Pattern of Spiritual Abuse
13:06 Part 3: How This Plays Out (Part of My Story)
21:40 Where are things at today?
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I was in these staff and pastoral meetings and can say that this only scratches the surface of how Alan and the rest of the team, including myself, spoke about people behind closed doors. I deeply regret my involvement in this and hope that speaking out brings truth and light.
Although in these audios, you hear talk of revival, what they really mean is having a large church, building a movement with influence, getting more speaking invites, and ultimately making money. Alan was obsessed with leadership and revival, but it really boiled down to numbers and gaining recognition globally, but mostly power and control. I witnessed him lying to people's faces, manipulating situations, firing staff, and doing whatever he deemed necessary to create a culture where people believed in and followed him, and where he had control and power.
During the course of my four years, I became deeply afraid of Alan. He often threatened to fire me if he felt "I was breaking his trust." He would remind me often how lucky I was that he spent so much time with me and how I could lose that privilege, and he would say things like "maybe God was wrong about me," etc. He eventually began controlling who I could or couldn't be friends with, who I was speaking to and about what, and the list goes on.
I went to Jeremy Riddle multiple times, afraid of disclosing too much, and I told him in tears only about Alan's screaming and threatening fits. He told me that this was the price for revival and how apostles and spiritual fathers behaved. Jeremy shared that he had experienced similar treatment at Bethel, specifically with Kris Vallotton and the Johnson family, and it had paid off for him in his ministry/calling. He encouraged me to endure Alan's treatment, assuring me that if I left Alan's covering, no other pastor would see me or my purpose and invest in me the way Alan had. He emphasized this, claiming he had visited many churches and knew.
These audio clips only scratch the surface of the toxicity I experienced within the "inner circle." My husband and I have every intention of releasing a fuller statement with supporting documents about my time as a pastor directly supervised and mentored by Alan Scott soon. What else is needed to see change and accountability here?
These people are sick, they will never regret
Behind you Cynthia.
Cynthia, I’m so sad to hear of your experiences. You are very brave telling your story and I’m proud of you. You and Bradley are so anointed and you both we’re such a blessing to us all. I pray you and Bradley come out of this STRONGER and with MORE resolve to do the Lords work. We all have scars from our walk. As John Wimber would say, “Never trust a leader without a limp”. You will be forever changed by this but God brings ALL things together for His glory. God bless you girl and give Bradley my love. Kristy Foster (the Cheesemaker)
There is a reason we are taught to test fruit (Mt. 7.15-20; Gal. 5.19-26). Angry outbursts, abuse, greed, dissensions and factions, etc are works of the flesh. I don't care what they claim to be, these behaviors are incompatible with a person walking with the Spirit. True spirituality is love and service to others just like our Lord. Glad you both walked away from this.
@@ColeM440 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Being called "community-driven" like it's an insult is one of the best things I could hope to hear about myself - I hope it encourages you as well, Noah.
Amen
Exactly!
Silent subscriber here: my two year old son loves to drum, and has been watching your videos on repeat for the past year or so. He even copies some of your movements and I often ask him, “Are you doing Debolt drumming?“ And he smiles and nods his head yes. Just wanted you to know, you’ve been a huge encouragement to this household. My husband is in ministry too, and we will both be praying for this situation. I’m so sorry to hear about this, thank you for coming forward and telling the truth. God bless you! 🙏
That’s amazing! I’ll have to check out his videos always wanted to play the drums to hard thing to do I bet
David Koresh..Jrs are out there.. all cults are the same they just wear different mask!! I don’t follow any ofcultish pied pipers… God pulled me away from all of it 7 years ago💕✝️
It is time for spiritual abuse to be brought in the light and dealt with it’s hurting the sheep and it breaks the heart of God! Thank you for sharing
Debolt drumming is a success and will continue to inspire many as it did to me. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise !!!
I enjoy watching you play with such discipline, accuracy and grace. Continue playing for Jesus. Blessing from the Caribbean 🙌🏾🔥
Thank you so much for sharing this Noah. I am so sorry this happened to you and I hope you are taking the time you need to heal. Sharing your story brings hope to people like me who attended VA for our whole lives and suffered spiritual abuse from the new leaders there as well. It’s so sad to see this happening, especially at the hands of people I’ve personally known my entire life. Thank you for your candor and for shining a light on this.
Hi Nicole!
Wow, thank you for this video. I went through a very similar situation while drumming and working full time at a church. It’s always been a difficult thing to sit down and process. Your story and insight has helped me understand the callousness that went on. It’s truly disheartening that churches are more interested in “culture” than they are helping out their own people.
I always pictured church like that movie “How to Save a Life” or “I’m not Ashamed” which are both Christian movies but I guess it’s sad that I am so naive.
Man's Really said "They just wanna Care and Love People" Like it was a bad thing.... and then sending a text (and not an in person meeting) asking you to step down from any leadership. So sorry you had to deal with this kind of abusive leadership. I've dealt with my fair share of toxic leadership and luckily it has made me stronger and led me to the proper church, with the proper culture that I need during this time. I hope you find the same brother. Praying for you
Jeremy disliked me so much so I grateful not one of his drummers. But, before he left Anaheim he did tell the worship at the time NOT to use me as the drummer because I was “too old.” When he came came to Anaheim, before the theft, he wouldn’t even speak to me. I was kicked off the worship team without any notice, reason or a sit down to talk. I tried reaching out but nothing. It was at the same time that Kathryn Scott stopped talking to me, after a 15+ year friendship. Alan had already distanced himself from me and my family.
Some time later I was diagnosed with cancer. Some of the board members, pastors and parishioners offered to pray for me before the service. They invited Alan to come, but he refused. Not once did he reach out and expressed his feelings about my cancer diagnosis. Again, this was supposedly my friend of 15+ years, our family spent summers together, vacations together, and countless meals only for it to end in complete silence.
I can categorically say without reservation that the words to come out of Alan‘s mouths are so filled with deception and lies. And it grieves me that people that I know for over 35 years of attending the Anaheim Vineyard are citing with Alan Scott and Jeremy Riddle rather than the countless people that have been hurt and driven out from the church, where they met their spouses, where they married, and buried their loved ones, and where they raise their kids.
Well said. I am stunned by those from our family who have chosen to stand with Alan and Jeremy.
These people are sick and evil. Sorry for you. God will judge them with justice
I am so sorry for the way you have been treated. Praying for you and if there is anything I can do, please let me know. - Luke Geraty
"Too old." I think this shows that they are just using their body type personality theory as cover to only have people that match a certain look be visible. Too old or too fat is just bad for their image, I guess.
By Gods grace I pray peace will cover all of those hurt by this situation. But it will not come until you reach out to God and forgive. Not because they deserve it but because it is a commandment. It will free you all to let the offense go. Leave them in the hands of Almighty God and let the healing begin!!!!! In the name of Jesus
You’re such a blessing thank you so much! 😢 I’m sorry you and your wife went through this and I hope that you all are okay now.
Major props to you man for standing strong on Jesus and His Kingdom. We’re all praying for you ❤
This is major church hurt, and my spirit cries for you and your wife. Your videos have helped me to help others be lead to the Lord and the fact that Jeremy and Alan couldn't see that your ministry is just as important as their what maybe started as a pure ministry is just the devil at work. Praying for you and that Diebold Drumming sees the most success in the future that it ever has.
Yes glad I found these videos
It’s more than that it’s abuse, calling it church hurt unfortunately downplays the impact.
Very well put together video Noah. Love you brother, onwards and upwards!
The problem with these worship driven communities is that they disguise themselves as churches when they are in fact, not. It is like a never-ending conference. And when people with other giftings want to join, they are alienated. Do you ever see evangelists in one of these worship movements? Hardly. Because it doesn’t fit the vision of constant worship. This model is not a real biblical church. It doesn’t include the entire body of Christ and all of it’s giftings. That’s what makes it feel exclusive or cult like.
Thats an interesting point as someone who loves music it is difficult not to be attracted to a church with great worship. There is a danger in that
I agree. God has shown me this as well. It's been tough finding a well rounded Church. It's like I get good teaching and The Gospel or worship. I personally beleive The Lord showed me this is what's causing the lack of some revivals.
@@selahrichardson it's hard finding a balance. I go to a church with great preaching/teaching but the worship sometimes lacks. The Pastor has made some negative comments about worship styles, and I think he kind of unintentionally stifles some of the flow of worship because of his strong personality and focus on preaching because I believe he's been so turned off by the entertainment aspect of worship in America. I used to go across town to another church who had very talented musicians, gifted, I played and sang at times there, but very fluffy preaching often. So not sure what I'm getting at here, but it's a struggle to find that balance! We should pray for the leaders of churches to be led by grace and truth in their leadership like Jesus.
Noah, I am so sorry for you and your wife. I am glad to hear that you are still believing in Jesus alone!
I have also seen churches that promote a really strong "culture" that is, in reality, extremely toxic and exclusive. For anyone in the comments, let this be a warning to avoid the churches that promote culture, not following Jesus!
Dear brother in Christ I totally understand how you are feeling!
As a born again Christian filled with the Holy Spirit I was send by Jesus himself some 25 years ago to a particular church for receiving teaching how to worship, because in my own church it was not proper to express your feelings during singing to the Lord.
In that new church I learned a lot from worship and praise God, but after a while the Holy Spirit showed me strange behavior of the leaders.
They started appropriating the best food during meal celebrations, drinks the finest wines, while the normal people is served with the cheapest meals.
They also introduced the payment off tithing, because there lavish behavior costs a lot of money!
Long story short, I pray my socks of until I received answers from the Lord!
And with the answer I received I approached the church leaders and they didn't like it, and we were told to leave the church!
After that the Lord gave me one more message for them, "If you not continue the work I asked you to do, i will take the people of your church one by one until there are so many left that you can count them on one hand, and I will be the last one who will leave. "
You know what happened? That church doesn't exist anymore! And I still loving Jesus singing praises from the moment I wake up till I laid down my head!
So don't sit in sackcloth and ashes hold on tide to Jesus, ask the Holy Spirit for guidance!
Forgive them and forget them and start your new journey with the Lord.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN UNTIL JESUS CHRIST COMES BACK, VERY SOON,
Thank you so much for sharing this. Churches like this are hotbeds for cults of personality. Worship should never revolve around a pastor.
I appreciate your willingness to come forward. It’s encouraging for me to feel like I’m not the only one who is/has gone through a spiritually abusive church culture. But it still doesn’t change the fact that it burdens my heart to see another story like this. There needs to be more safeguards and accountability of leaders showing these tendencies BIG TIME.
So glad you are speaking up about spiritual abuse. Me and my wife went through a similar situation a few years ago. Thank you for stepping out and speaking Truth. 🙏🏼
My heart shattered when I heard the “so interesting” about loving and caring people, like for me that is something I truly believe, to love and care for each other is one of the primordial things, as a matter of fact it is in the Bible when Jesus is asked about the most important commandment.
Noah I have no words only gratefulness, thank you for helping me in my drumming and for being open with my million doubts about drumming stuff ❤
Yes bro! Loving and caring for People is what Revival is all about. How will they know we are His disciples by the way we love one another. True revival begins when we come back to Love and Love compels us to Love each other as He loves us.
Proud of you for putting this out bro. We support you
I am from Brazil. I've seen both videos. I hope you stay with Lord, despite the spiritual abuse. be blessed!!
I hope that for him too!! I was in a spiritually abusive church, too, and was spiritually abused. When I spoke out about it, I was deemed as the bad guy and was let go to Satan for the destruction of my flesh. It took me 4 yrs to get over this spiritual abuse. I have seen so many people go out of this same church, and they are no longer walking with God!! Their lives are a mess, and they are so entrenched with sin, I'm not sure they will ever come out of it!! Honestly, I think most of these people weren't true followers of Christ. They just liked being tickled and elevated!! And then it all crashed down, and they left the church never truly committing to the Lord Jesus Christ!!
Just a thought. You didn't fail their test, they failed yours. As a follower it is our duty to test our leaders to make sure they are leading and preaching the true word and being as life giving and loving as Jesus. Please keep up the fight and know that we are with you. ALSO, please do more drum stuff when you feel ready. I cannot wait.
Agree. They failed the test, not you.
Thank you for this video bro
It’s all too common and you’re helping shine a light on it
As a “3” it’s disheartening to see that my body “type” is used against me to assume bad intent on my part. Ugh this whole thing makes me so sick
God designed your body. How arrogant for them to discuss body types at all! Where is the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Thank you for this. A leader is not someone who takes the position but earns it. I didn’t hear one verse when talking about leadership and roles. You are a priest of your home and no one can take that away from you. Wolves are not so easily discerned when they are in sheep’s clothing. God will expose them. Blessings.
This sounds like a cult not a church . I’m so sorry this happened to you!
That’s why I would tell my boyfriend that we need to go to the cult church once a month I guess I was right about it the whole time 😂 that’s funny. He thinks they are all weird to we went to a wenseday night worship thing and he thought it was so weird and went to church today and once again he hated it and so we left after worship. Sad that the truth is coming to light. I think they may be Bipolar though unfortunately
It is very cult like. I went today. 🤷♀️ I just enjoy the music but I was so upset when I saw this video and heard the clips.
Yikes “ THE PROPHET “ thing! Again
Amazing how people are more concerned about defending the evil rather than exposing the truth. Noah is not the only one who’s been abused by Alan and Jeremy. Let’s make sure no one else is.
Alan and Jeremy are not the enemy in this case. They are also victims of the enemy. No one is defending evil that is ludicrous. If your son was acting a jerk are you going to expose him to the world? I hope not. Then you are no better than what you are claiming to expose. Alan and Jeremy are Gods children first then leaders. Its His job to discipline them.. If He tells you to do so, then youre good.
@joanneddy7426 Friend, Alan and Jeremy are not like children who are having their mistakes exposed. They are powerful spiritual leaders with highly influential public platforms. If it is true that they are sinning and if it is true that their practices are harmful to the sheep, it is our Christian duty to address the issue. Our Lord and the scriptures make it very clear that we should not tolerate this kind of abuse in His church. Please, I want to encourage you to seriously reconsider this matter.
@@Mere-Theism my first comment was"" someone should be fasting and praying and hear from God on this matter before acting." Alan and Jeremy a rent the only ones who will be effected by this mans decision to expose. I never said it was absolutely wrong. But is it God. Not one person has said they heard from God. Nor has anyone uses any scripture to back up these actions. I have had several similar situations where God has said to me. Let it go and move on. I will handle it.
@@Mere-Theism nothing to reconsider. Who has heard from ALMIGHTY GOD??? Who?
@@joanneddy7426Matthew 18, in context, eventually leads to a full on exposure.
There is already one pastor in these comments, who said they tried to speak on the sin and she was told to endure it. No repentance happened.
So, exposure is biblical and commanded if the parties refuse to repent. They've been addressed. By people that atte ded dwelling place and by vineyard.
They ignore. So now it's to be publicized. That's a COMMAND.
Thank you for sharing! Keep the faith and expose darkness!
I'm so sorry. Praying for healing, Noah.
Hey Noah, I just wanted to say I’m so sorry for what you and your wife went through. Hope you can find complete healing and restoration, love on people, build community and see DeBolt Drumming grow.
Whew I’m in the position of leadership in my Community. You’re series has been an eye opener to see if I for one, a victim or a pusher of spiritual abuse.
Hope all is well with you! Did love your worship stuff.
Wow, how sad that people in Leadership misrepresent the heart of God and his kingdom. 🙏🏽🙏🏽😢😢
Thank you for sharing DeBoltDrumming 🙏🏽
I am so sorry to hear this. So sorry for what happened to you two.
What is this "culture" and where is that in Scripture as the most important emphasis for a church? Where is the love?
I'm thankful to be part of a church where we are growing in love for one another and in community. Yet we all bring different gifts and different perspectives on disputable matters.
For a church to function well, everyone's gifts need to be accepted and used to the point that the person wants to serve and is a mature Christian.
One problem with many NAR churches is that the "apostles" and "prophets" seem to be elevated above everyone else.
Noah I'm so sorry you went through this. You've always been an inspiration for me with drumming. I used to be a member of the debolt drumming community! Keep your head up man. Thank you so much for sharing your story. Definitely keep the life updates coming. I've missed your content and definitely been wondering where you were. Glad you're okay man!
My heart breaks for you, man. Thanks for sharing. Will be praying over this. I’ve had similar experiences, and I feel like this is becoming a common thing.
I’m happy when someone like you speaks up
I’ve seen way worse in many different settings but I press on
There are times I would love to speak up and blow it all out of the water but then I feel I should just move forward and let God deal with them in His time.
How did you decide to address it in this way and at what point did you feel peace about bringing it to light?
Thanks in advance
Let’s trust that Jeremy is restored, this is very sad but quite common. Blessings from South Africa.
How about trust that he becomes repentant?
@@sammyze3213 repentance is the staring point of restoration.
Noah, lift your head brother, in the right time God will do his justice. Rest your heart! A big hug. ♥️🇧🇷
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I served at a church for a long time where the pastor (my ex FIL) told me, "You can't serve the Lord with tattoos and earrings." It was manipulative. What he was actually saying was, "You can't serve in MY church...". I was told after his daughter divorced me that if I got remarried that I was gonna close the door on lots of opportunities that God has for my life and that I was gonna close the door to God's blessings.
I've had more opportunities to serve the Lord since I've been out of that "cult"ure. These people care more about the name of their "church" than the name of Jesus.
Thank God that my faith was deeper in Christ than it was in people and that it didn't drive me away altogether.
God bless you and your family in the future 🕊🖤🎶
The body type thing???? Wtf????? Thank you for sharing and being so transparent man. So sorry about the abuse you’ve had to experience over the years.
This kind of stuff is insidious and needs to be called out. Good on you man
Bro! I was wondering where you went. Long story short; I went through something very similar….. and I can say with great certainty, I’m glad you are back and talking about this. I’m sorry you and your wife went through this. Thankfully, Jeremy Riddle is not God and he can go pound sand. He will be accountable to God on his day of judgment. and I pray for a massive blessing on you and your wife’s life. For filtering this church and it’s leadership through the discernment of Scriptures. I love your drumming, I love all the videos you ever made. You were a massive inspiration, and still are to me as a worship drummer. I can’t imagine the amount of crap that you guys are having to work through right now, but just know, God is bigger and better than Alan Scott and Jeremy riddle. DeBoltDrumming blew up because of your faithfulness to God and the gifts and talents that he blessed you with. You honored those and used them to serve God. Jeremy Riddle is spiritually corrupt in what he said to you. He does not have authority over you, only God does, and again he can go pound sand. According to Jeremy, your channel shouldn’t exist because without his authority, how could you have made all those videos? You said it best I wanna love on drummers. Bro, that is one of the most sincere acts of love and kindness. And you’ve backed it up with all of your actions by putting out all this free Content over the years. Where as Jeremy riddle is paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to manipulate people. “I just wanna love on drummers” that’s something Jesus would say and do. And he sure as heck would never tell you that you’re a failure. Because unlike Jeremy riddle, an Allen Scott, Jesus loves us unconditionally no matter what. Their culture is to make money and it’s obvious. That was never your heart in any of the videos that you posted prior to any of this happening. I just want you to know how much of a blessing you are to thousands of drummers around the world. I pray you and your wife hold your head up high. In fact that you got out of this place and saw through the manipulation and evil. I pray for inspiration and motivation to get back to doing what you love to do, because let me tell you brother it was a bigger ministry than Jeremy Riddle, an Allen Scott could ever hope to have. because it was from the heart, true and you never tried to manipulate us. Be true to yourself, bro! Surround yourself, with people that truly love you and accept you for the way you are, and who you are. Never give up the passion that God put in your heart. Your videos are a shining beacon of hope and joy that comes from Jesus Christ. Way to go man, way to share Jesus with other people in a glorifying way, and using your talents for the good of everybody, in the name of Jesus. What an awesome inspiration you have been to so many drummers. God bless you and your wife. I can’t wait to watch you prove the enemy wrong. God Bless DeBoltDrumming
Dang bro i'm so sorry you went through this man. Love you bro. God has got greater for you!!
These videos helped me a lot. I suffered years and years of spiritual abuse growing up. Well, what I learned from this video is that these church leaders don't love PEOPLE. They love themselves, WORSHIP themselves, and they think if they can just make everyone like THEMSELVES, their "church" will be the most awesome, because it is in THEIR image. So instead of being transformed into Christ's image, the people are forced to become like this idol.
I believe you and I’m so sorry. Your points here are spot on.
Thank you Noah. Very eloquently expressed and it triggered recognition of similar patterns of spiritual abuse in a church I was part of recently. My experience was with the covert type; very manipulative, calculating, snake like, ready to pounce. One man controlled everything and everyone until the Holy Spirit revealed to me what was going on. I thank God for His grace. Jesus delivered me from that environment of abuse and left me with an experience where I can relate to others who have been through the same. May our experiences be used for the glory of Christ. God bless you from the UK.
Much love to you. I'm glad you were able to get out.
Sorry you went through that, Noah. Prayers for you and yours.
My son just started playing drums in church and as someone who's led worship for a couple decades now, I explained to him before he started that he must prepare himself to be hurt before he plays his first note. Unfortunately we are dealing with humans in leadership. That means pride, selfishness, lust, greed, etc. And it's in all of us. The only thing we can do about it is guard our own hearts, remember only God is good, and do our best. We can also move on when a church (or too many relationship connections) becomes unhealthy. Note I said when. I used to think church hopping was a bad thing... but, I now feel differently about that. I am married my wife (for life) and I am committed (for life) to the Lord. But it ends there. Even in the New Testament Paul parted ways with Barnabas. It's ok to leave those we minister with and it WILL happen. We will never have a perfect church or body of Christ while we're on this earth. I think sometimes, I long for it so much that it could become an idol. This is earth and there will never be perfection. We must not seek it.
Keep up what you're doing with DeBoltDrumming. My son (who's gotten very good in two years), admires what you do a LOT.
With all that said, I do not know Jeremy Riddle. God sees his heart as do some of those surrounding him. I do not know the Scotts either, but much of what is written about Alan is very concerning. Those who say not to question the "prophet" are in error big time! True believers question everything and weigh it against the Word of God (and even against common sense, we who follow the Spirit should NOT check our brains at the door). You're not the only source of this input on him and by a long shot. Just the fact that he's doing what he's doing with Vineyard's assets seems border line criminal (maybe full blown). He should have started from scratch vs taking what 50 years built and throwing those out who took part in building it (financially and otherwise).
For some reason when I innocently googled 'obsidion' I was taken through a maze of different videos and after about an hour, boom, I was listening to you recount your bad experience with a church I've never heard of and people whose names I do not recognize.
So I consider myself pretty neutral as an outside observer. I have almost 80 years living on this planet and about 50 as a 'Christian'. I put that word in quotes as I'm not sure what that even means in and to this modern, culture-obsessed world. I simply know that the older I get the more I see myself as utterly helpless and covered thick with filthy rags; not deserving of anything but somehow blessed over many years to have experienced the immeasurable depths of God's grace, forgiveness and mercy.
Your story is heartbreaking and I've no doubt that every word is true. I have been through a few of those kinds of events myself and can truly identify with your hurt and confusion. I know of the endless soul-searching, self-doubts, sleepless nights and all that goes with the nasty and gory train wrecks that result when someone you love and respect turns on you.
I know you know that the sweet taste of personal revenge lasts but a moment and is something we should stay far, far away from. Revenge is for God, and only God, to address in a way that only He can. Proverbs 19:11 [amplified] comes to mind; "Good sense and discretion make a man slow to anger, And it is his honor and glory to overlook a transgression or an offense [without seeking revenge and harboring resentment]."
This particular truth from Proverbs has not been easy for me to learn and I certainly still struggle with getting it sequenced deep and permanently into my spiritual DNA. But I'm pretty sure you, me, and all the other folks involved will be at peace with one another some time soon when we cast our crowns before the King of heaven in all His glory - and begin our real life in that celestial and eternal city built to spec just for us. You are obviously a talented young man with more energy and vision than you could ever imagine. Walk forward, don't look back, keep those furrows straight and fruitful, pray for wisdom, keep lovin' on the drummer community and let God do the rest. He will swab on gobs of His healing balm and pretty soon you will stronger than ever. I promise.
Man, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say this... I was never here for Jeremy. Not a hint of me even gave a wit about who's name was singing, or playing this or that instrument. I was here because I saw someone who served with such great passion on the drums that it inspired me to do the same! That was you bro! And I'm still here for the same reason.
Edit: By 'here' I mean this youtube channel
I don’t remember debolt so it must have been a long time ago but I started attending the church back in 2021 I think.
Welcome to the world of Christians who came out of abusive churches. Time to get Sound Doctrine in a good church where the pastor is the biggest servant of everyone. It is such a blessing this happend to you so you could get out. Thank you for your courage to share.
@DeboltDrumming, Noah thanks for having the courage to step up when you’ve endured so much hardship through this. Church shouldn’t be about any of the stuff those guys talk about. It’s only about being in the company of believers and focusing on God and trying to have a deeper relationship with him. Keep your head up and I hope you continue to serve and create content for Worship Drummers.
I’m so sorry for your hurt. Never having been in a word-salad church, and I can’t comprehend what these “leaders” are even talking about. I pray you and your wife have found a safe home. I’m going to go back and see if you have other videos that will help me understand. I can see and FEEL your heartache. This is not a “church.” I have no idea what this crazy is, but dear young man, I pray you find a doctrinally sound CHURCH asap. 💔. Here from The Messed Up Church. This old grandmother’s heart is broken for what is being done in the name of Church to young people these days.
Dont you think it rather strange that just about EVERY worship video seems to exclusively feature people between 20-30, no children or eldelry people?
Hi, Noah, I am a worship team coach at a smallish church in San Diego county and am interested in your opinion about playing songs written by individuals (i.e. Riddle, etc.) that you know to be spiritually abusing others. If a song is Biblically sound should we be able to detach the song from the writer without evoking a negative response knowing that the writer is either in unrepentant sin or teaches heresy? That is something I have pondered throughout the years but have never personally been involved in those types of ministries. I’m praying for your wife and you as God faithfully restores you and draws you closer to himself.
Great question to be thinking through! From my pov, by singing their songs, you give them money (through CCLI) and indirectly publicly support them. As a victim, it's pretty painful to hear Jeremy's songs sung in different church contexts.
This story is heart wrenching. Tis leadership is toxic and despicable. I do not have to be a prophet to predict that this leadership will implode like all the others we have seen recently. So sad. So ungodly. What you sow, you will reap. Noah, the Lord delivered you! See it as a step forward and not backward. Thank you for bringing this into the light. When I saw the first video of Jeremy Riddle, I did not know who he was and where he is from. All I can say is that my inner response was “ this guy is a performer, not a worshipper”. May the Lord bless you and through your wounds others would find healing! From South Africa.
So sorry for what happened to you guys. Spiritual abuse is a real thing 😢. It blessed my heart to hear you say, when asked about your vision, that you wanted to develop drummers and love on them. What a privilege it is to be in positions where we can bless the people of God. I pray you never lose that call/drive. It's the call of Jesus: to love God with all our hearts and our NEIGHBOR as ourselves. If anyone dismisses that and creates their own vision in ministry that does not first align with the great commandment, then they've totally missed it. God bless you and your family!
Wow, thanks for sharing your experience and doing in a loving way. I pray that the Holy Spirit provides the healing that you and your wife needs, that this community surrounds you, and that God continues to bless you, your family and ministry.
Thank you for speaking out and sharing this, so so sorry you experienced this. We need more people to come forth like this!
Thank you for speaking up and sharing your story.
No Brasil é a mesma coisa amigo. Infelizmente, o mundo está lotado de pessoas assim, e é por isso que eu não volto para a igreja, perdi todos os meus ânimos! Eu também sou baterista no Brasil e acompanho o projeto debolt drumming desde 2019, agregou bastante na minha vida espiritual. Um abraço, espero que você e sua esposa possam enfrentar isso da melhor forma. ❤
Volta cara. Jesus não errou contigo, foi o homem. 😢. Não são todas as igrejas que são assim.
Brother, I commend you for the courage and love for God's sheep in coming forward. While I have made my YT channel videos private, most of them are having to do with spiritual abuse. After I begin a new therapy position I will make them public again. I am so sorry that you and others have had to endure the ramifications of all of this. My prayers are with you and your wife.
Gone through a similar situation with my pastor as a drummer praying for Debolt
Hey Noah, how are you doing? When can we see some more content from you, you are an excellent worship drummer and need to share your knowledge and skill with the community.
Thank you for sharing this. Any church that prioritizes “culture” over Jesus has already failed. Culture is something so important but if the center of that culture isn’t Jesus then sadly many people can get damaged by this. I pray for you and pray God can guide you through these moments! God bless you
Thank you for your vulnerability. This is a really important message.
Hi Noah, June this year I watch Temble - Holy Ground live in Vienna. I remember telling my husband that the drummer (you) was incredibly anointed and passionate! I’m sorry to hear about what you experienced and thank you for raising awareness! This is such a reminder to never put trust in any person, leader or church.
The last clip of Jeremy riddle was sad to watch, pride is so deceitful.
Stand firm and stand strong brother. Do not back down.
As a survivor of a similar type of charismatic spiritual abuse, I applaud you for your bravery to share your experience and for going to therapy! I wish I would have at the time when I decided to leave. It took me over a decade to heal and finally go to therapy. God bless you both!
Phew - this hurts. So sorry to hear this.
Thank you for sharing the recordings. It makes me sick how intentional Alan was about pushing out the congregation that hired him so that he could create his own church in the place that had been our home for decades.
You record everything but don’t have recordings of very Important comments…
@@Cittycatty8988 The staff wasn't able to record everything. On some instances, Alan would explicitly tell the staff to not record the meeting. There are no recordings from those instances (obviously). So yea, they don't have recordings of everything. But what they do have is conclusive enough.
Yet their was a full group of people there today at church. I left after the music was over though. I did write a kind comment on their CZcams channel but now I’m sitting here thinking I can’t believe I did that after all these allegations are coming out and it’s not just this guy talking about to soooo many people have said bad things about Alan Scott
@@mariahconklin4150 There is an article with other victims stories as well. It can be found here: julieroys.com/exclusive-former-vineyard-staff-accuse-alan-scott-of-abuse-manipulation-lies/
@@DeBoltDrummingyeah the more I heard Alan Scott speak the more I put 2 and 2 together. One time at a Sunday service his team went to pray for people at Target and he prayed for the Target employees and told them to do the exact same thing. I thought the clip was sweet but then he said after the clip was over, “oh they probably aren’t going to pray for anyone.” Who says that? Another time I was there I sat in the front row seat and he says, “we don’t have Bible studies because we need strong leaders” basically stating that no one was good enough…I went home crying that day. Then another time he said, “I hate to say this right now but someone here has a seggual demon in them…” who says that???
Thank you for the recordings. I'm slowly getting through them. I'm in the middle of the recording of Jeremy's meeting. In listening, I can't help but wonder if he was recognizing he didn't know how to relate to you. He was admitting his fault in not knowing how to relate to you, in that he was pushing heavy on the cause gas-pedal, and overlooking where you were at. It sounded to me he could he his disconnect, but then it seems he didn't turn around to circle back to you. Am I understanding correctly?
Hmm, I hear you, but that seems a bit charitable to me. The only instance I hear any slight regret from Jeremy is when he quickly says, "ugh is this the way that it should have gone?" And then proceeds to explain how it was "so interesting!?" that we just wanted to love and care for people.
The context (in the audio) surrounding how we "just wanted to love and care for people" is that, according to them, I didn't really understand pastoring/shepherding. It wasn't that he didn't know how to relate to me.
They discuss how pastoring/shepherding should be this very heavy-handed, harsh discipline, kind of thing. After Jeremy discussed us, they went on to describe the people who don't want that kind of pastoring as needy and emotionally unintelligent millennials.
Thank for coming out and exposing this man!
At first, it's hard to understand and you don't want to believe in things like that. Until you see yourself in a similar situation. The isolation is tough.
Deus abençoe sua vida meu irmão. Você é um grande baterista e muito admirado no BRASIL. abraços 🥁🙏🏻
Thank God for these recordings. All meetings should be recorded in churches.
I can't believe some of this! they are cult leaders do they hear their own language 'soil'. My blood boiled referring to 'prophet' honestly what a complete abuse of power. I really hope one day they hear themselves and how they have got lost into a hyper charismatic cult and arrogance of speaking on behalf of God - its just shameful. The moment you hear 'man of God' 'God told me' and it doesn't match up against the word - run - run fast!
I watched this whole thing, and felt the familiarity of it all with my own experience of spiritual abuse. I’m so sad to hear this about a house of the Lord that ‘seemed’ healthy. I’m so sad for you and your family in this.
I pray an abundant blessing over your drum ministry and blessing over your the dreams and heart you have for community!
This is what happens when there's no discipleship on both sides....
The term “culture” being used that heavily in a church is a red flag for a cult. Funny how cult is in the word culture. I’ve seen a church like these fall as fast as they rise with lawsuits galore. There were special gifts given to show you were in the “inner circle” like rings and watches. I was given a watch by someone which was one of the watches given to the inner circle and the questions began to fly. Everyone in the inner circle was compulsively asking me where I got the watch and how nice it was. I think the person who gave it to me wanted to give me a peak behind the curtain. It later came out in court documents about the watch I had and the rings being given for allegiance to the leader. Man charismatic Christianity has gone off the rails big time. This caused my to walk away from church years ago but came back when I was rooted in Christ more than an organization. These types of church can cause irreparable harm to Jesus loving believers.
Hi Noah, I feel myself as a very cause-driven person like Jeremy said. To be honest, I often feel depressed after meeting community-driven people and pouring out my heart and passion and they didn't even hear any of it. So I can kinda get why Jeremy felt that way.
But at the same time, cause is never a reason to abuse or mistreat people. We don't trample over people to achieve our cause.
Good for you brother! Proud of you for standing up!😮
This is very alarming to hear.. I’m so sorry you’ve been through this.. 😔 I’ve been that person too.
Good on you for telling the truth!
Went through a very similar situation. As hurtful, difficult and confusing as it was, my eyes have been opened to the true deception and religious narcissism. But in the midst of the storm the Lord provides his peace beyond understanding to guard our hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Now all i have is the Lord to rely on, not other people. Sad to say, my wife chooses to ignore their abuse….that’s the real pain. Our marriage has not been the same since.
Thanks for being so transparent, and warning us about this in our churches. Let's apply Matthew 18:15-17 as Jesus told us, and walk in the spirit, not culture.
Thank you for your video. This is inspiring!
Oh my God. As soonas i started listening to this video I heard the Lord say "cult" and then later "Pharisees"...
I know Jeremy's music and have loved it but later saw some preaching/teaching vids of his and something felt very off. I also watched a sermon by Alan Scott a couple years ago and immediately sensed an abusive man with a lot of arrogance and darkness in him. I never watched him again.
This is horrible to hear and I am so sorry you went through this.
Jesus loves you and I love you and I'm so glad your out of this now.
May God bless and prosper you the right way.
💕❤
Man not gonna lie, I wanted to here the receipts before coming to a conclusion about this situation, but know I see that everything you talked about is true. That is not what church is about at all. Sad to see and I hope serious change encounters that church and that leadership. I am so sorry you had to go through this brother, this is just ridiculous.
This is incredibly sad. Thanks for your bravery for
sharing this.
Im currently reading Scot McKnights book A church called Tov and he really presses into the abuse of gaslighting! This is important video! Thanks for sharing!
Really sorry this happened to you.. and I'm saying this to you out of the love of God. But God encourages us to take all of our hurts and pains to Him. I am also on a worship team. The messsage for this season (for me) this year has been looking at the state of MY heart. What have been my heart motives? And how are my decisions glorifying God. This has challenged me so much in terms of how I go to handle certain situations. Where previously I would have spoken up about something I've had to sit back with God and really look at the state of my heart and the decisions I make.
I've started looking at everything now - like "How is whatever it is that I'm doing glorifying God?" This question has effected everything that I do. The other day - God said to me "when you praise me on stage I want you to take that same passion and use it at the workplace."
It was the most unbelievably hard thing to do because my workplace is so toxic. Everymorning before going into the office I have to ask God for cover. Then during the day I put my head phones in and just work with my praise music and podcasts playing in the back ground. I would go home and pray to God again in the evening before going to bed and then God would speak to me in my dreams (because that's what He does right? he speaks to us during the day and then reveals stuff to us at night) God was reminding me that these people I was working with - as toxic as they were - are still His kids. "That's my son/daughter you're talking about. Don't do that." I really had to choose to put the joy of God as my total focus.
Our hope is not in people, as you have just noticed people will fail us and hurt us. We can not even trust ourselves. Our own hearts will deceive us.
We HAVE to take everything to the foot of the cross and lay it out infront of Him. Airing a grievance out online against a pastor, leader or church member only reflects where our priorities were lying. It leads others astray and prevents the salvation of others who could be on the cusp of knowing Gods heart!! What a responsibility to bear! To know we have prevented another from knowing Gods love because we were hurt by a human we trusted so much that we placed them before God... Devastating and catastrophic result for everyone.
We have a responsibility to lead people to salvation. Its good that you left an environment that you feel has lost focus. Let God deal with them. Cos He will! They WILL reap the fruit of their labours. God tells us this all the time.
But for you... Take your hurt, pain, grief, betrayal to God and remember you're still on Gods assignment.
And before you do anything - check your heart motives. Do whatever you do with the same grace, love and determination He gave us the day He gave His life. You've got this!!
I have been speaking up about spiritual abuse. More people need to know about it because they are in these spiritually abusive churches being gaslighted and thinking that it was me. The Lord will use the bad that happened to you for good. So that you can help others who dont know their way out.
Wow cuz, I was unsure of how true this was until the evidence you provided in this video. I grew up really admiring and loving Jeremy Riddle as well, but this is very concerning. I’m glad that you and your wife are no longer a part of it and God is definitely going to bless both of you guys and use you in a powerful way.
I was at Jesus 19 and I will admit the atmosphere felt somewhat sinister and “off” the night Jeremy and Steffany led.
A week or so later Jeremy had a long Facebook post about “SURRENDERING ALL!” And how costly “TRUE HOLINESS” is…..the post post featured a big ol picture of him on his knees at Jesus 19, drawing all attention to himself and his “anointing” when he pretended the post was about being a more devoted follower of Jesus.
He was correctly ridiculed by people of Christ-given decency, and he pulled the post not too long after if I’m not mistaken.
Pharisees love for us to look at them as they tout their personal righteousness as the way of salvation, they don’t know what humility really is; completely being willing to be hidden, in order that Christ would be exalted as the restored of all things.
They dont understand their life is hidden with Christ in God, they instead prefer to believe they must be exalted to bring revival. When in reality, Christ is blowing over their houses built on sand, causing a true revival of His saints who are being set free from bondage. But in a last retaliatory effort, religion has named it “deconstruction” and “spirit of offense” and other bullshit that it isn’t.
The sons and daughters are awakening. They are responding to the cries of creation as it says in Romans 8.
Our God is the great Iconoclast.
Thank you Noah. Even your name prophecies in a time like this.
Hey Noah, love your drumming. Sorry to hear what you've been through, but young man... saddle up and start over again, nothing in the past is worth holding on and can hurt you anymore, unless you give it the power to do so. May God bless your heart and heal you. Get up, shake off the dust and nay the Lord shine on you. Unless you let go, God in my experience does not deal with those we hold resentment towards.
I’m so sorry for what you have been through. Thank you for exposing this…extremely toxic and disgusting. When JR said: “I draw people”, it’s like, I’m sorry, I thought it was God that draws people! When you become focused more on culture than Christ, you become a cult. This is detestable and I am thankful more of these people are getting exposed!
Sinto muito por vc Noah
Também sou baterias de adoração e ja passei por uma situação semelhante
Sou brasileiro, e fico triste em saber que o mundo todo esta passando por essa situação lamentável....
Mas não desanima,OLHAI PARA JESUS O AUTOR E CONSUMADOR DA NOSSA FÉ, NÃO OLHE PRA OS HOMENS QE NOS VEM APENAS COMO FERRAMENTAS
Yes exactly!!
Really miss your videos brother! Hope your doing good God Bless!
I heard about you from the Kozars and their CZcams channel "The Messed Up Church". I'm glad that God got you out of that church. Thank you for sharing your story and I pray that you find your peace in Jesus Christ. He is our perfect resting place. God bless you.
Amazing that you have all of these recordings
The truth is we need to be community driven and cause driven but the cause should never trump the ability to love people and have genuine community.
Sound like they are blinded to this sadly and that their end game of revival is more important than the people who attend it