Beretta's New Assault Rifle Platform - The NARP
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- In 2023 Beretta introduced their 'New Assault Rifle Platform' - the NARP. At SHOT Show 2024 I had the chance to examine the initial 5.56x45mm variant of the NARP. The rifle was developed with input from Italy's Special Forces and it represents a step away from the extensive use of polymer in Beretta's current ARX-160.
Thank you to Beretta for discussing the new rifle with me and for kindly allowing me to examine and film the rifle.
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Beretta is this your new assault rifle project?
Yarb
Do you have a final name for it?
Narp
Simon Pegg is laughing right about now.
Shame.
Haha…great Hot Fuzz quote!
You're off the f'n chain😂
Funny but Narp is not its final name it's just its project name, which stands for "New Assault Rifle Platform" as it is still in the testing phase
Everybody wants an AR now days. Even when it's AR-15 outside, and AR-18 inside. 🤠
Watching Ukraine war video its holly crap, the number of different M-4s to M-16 models countries gave Ukraine is mind boggling and the Canadian C7 & C8s also in action in Ukrainians hands.
Hell yeah AR33
around the world it seems like it's either that (see the MCX and this), the HK416 (so basically AR but piston), or an ACR knockoff (CZ BREN, FB MSBS Grot, Howa Type 20....)
It seems that the AR-18 operating system adapted into the AR-15 form factor is the de facto standard for at least the next 20 years, (minimum).
The AR-15 is the crab of assault rifles.
Over time assault rifles convergently evolve its form and traits.
The AR-15 platform is great and I love it, but it's not so much that it's inherently the best design, and a lot more to do with the fact it has enjoyed over 50 years of refinements, developments and has the largest aftermarket of any weapon platform, affording the end user an almost limitless potential for customisation and tailoring. The same would likely be the case of any other rifle that had the same ubiquity and commonality.
Well its becuase thier is so much training done on it, so even if a gun is 10% better then the ar 15, it could loose out in adoption to another gun if that other gun requires less/no time in retraining. Also becuase of the Ar-15s popularity in the states its easily got the most man hours dedicated to after market parts, research and manufacture whereas other guns ur starting from scratch.
Problem, the everything evolved into crab thing, isn’t true, it’s just a meme.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography That's what someone in the pay of big crab would say to lull us all into a false sense of security.
its more of a MCX than a AR-15 really
Beretta just solved the biggest issue of the SIG MCX.. the SIG part
🤣🤣🤣
So, it's essentially another Stoner iteration. I wish ol' Gene was here to see this - his rifle has taken over the world!
It’s like the Mauser g98, every nation wants them, half just make their own. Some make alterations to the original design, and some just make clones.
This is an MCX clone, and the MCX is just a piston AR. Just look at the AR like it's a flintlock musket. Many nations wanted them, used them, manufactured their own, and made several changes and variations like the flintlock rifles, percussion cap muskets, percussion cap rifles, flintlock muskets converted to percussion cap, doglock rifles, etc.
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 A MCX clone perhaps aesthetically, but produced by an firearms manufacturing company founded in 1526 over 500 years ago, the oldest active manufacturer of firearms in the world...they definitely know their job
The piston AR isn't really a Stoner iteration. The AR-18 was largely developed after Stoner left. George Sullivan has more of his handprints over that design.
NEW MCX JUST DROPPED
"Please dont call our ar15 an ar15"
Looks like assault rifle design is converging to short-stroke piston rifles with AR-15 ergos.
They can say whatever they want too, but they should be thanking Eugene Stoner profusely for doing their work for them.
NARP? YARP!
Honestly, just another AR variant, with an AR18 system. I hope they can at least make the uppers work with standard AR lowers.
That would be a cute trick!
As one comment state in TFB TVs video of this rifle...
"The Spearghetti"
bella asinata... complimenti.
👍💯👍, what happened to the new SIG SAUER SPEAR 6.8?
Take AR platform.
Change up a few things here and there.
Make piston driven.
No buffer tube.
And that will be a hefty amount of upcoming rifles of the future.
It’s good to see alternatives to DI’s. I’d love to have one of these to add to my accumulation.
Awesome.
"Beretta, did you design a new rifle?"
"...NARP?'
"Good"
lol, was looking for something like this 🤣
"YARP."
It's interesting that both Beretta and SAKO owned by Beretta are pushing new piston assault rifles
It's also interesting that they haven't combined their efforts.
@@TheArmourersBench on the other hand both have customers lined up
Well Beretta has owned Sako since 2001 IIRC so it's a strategic choice they could have made long ago. Just how they work I guess.
@@TheArmourersBench All I know is that the Sako variants hammer sub MOA groups out to 500m
@@petrimakela5978 Supposedly so does this so at least they have that in common!
Should have called it the Latest Assault Rifle Platform; the LARP.
Ah yes, the Beretta MCX
improving on the one thing wrong with the MCX design, the fact that it's a SIG
Random military: We have upgraded to a modern and advanced assault rifle!
*looks inside*
*It's another fucking AR-15 variant'
*looks further inside*
"Hah! Another Nerf Jolt reskin!"
Actually since its not got the recoil spring in the stock and a pitson its an ar 18.
Thanks for this overview! Interesting that they've totally moved on from the ARX160's piston system; it was pretty clever and effective.
The AR Platform is the Alabama of the Gun world: It keeps breeding with itself
I have te suspect that the rifle uses a revised version ov the arx160
Light Assault Rifle Platform
wow! another ar18!
Looks good
Sig mcx we have at home?
No, mcx made by an actually competent company
Just to be clear, the "ambi" part of this gun stops with "controlling" its ejection. Call it "Un Altro Stoner" or "Another Stoner".
Eugene Stoner was one of, if not THE greatest firearms designer ever. The AR-15/18 has taken over the world!! MuuHahahaha!!
Look he's good. But he didn't operate alone, and George Sullivan had more control over the development of the AR-18. Since the vast majority of development took place after Stoner left. That said, Stoner has nothing over JMB. John Moses Browning, is the GOAT. The M2 HMG is his, modern pistol design basically his work, M240B is a flipped around BAR, multiple shotgun developments, etc etc etc etc.
The sheer width, breadth, and depth of impact from JMB cannot be overstated.
Stoner is very good, and had a phenomenal impact on firearms development. But his impact of systems outside of AR 10/15 were no where near as important. He's the modern Mauser. Which is not an insult at all.
"Sergeant Angel won't be getting back up again?"
:
Very interesting!
Just like all animals become crab, all rifles become piston AR.
I wouldn't want to be a crab.. the parasites that eat them are SCARY
So it's an AR-15 on the outside and an AR-18 on the inside, the circle is now complete.
Sooo, it’s an AR180
But what can it do significantly better than a AR-15? The problem with all these "AR-15 clones" are they are basically a rebranded AR with miniscule variation
Do you remember they have the ARX160 as their service rifle? That rifle is needlessly huge for a 5.56 rifle, has dated furniture and controls, and doesn't need to be continued. A new rifle will let their users put all their tactical shit on a nicer package than the ARX160. Also since Beretta is making it, this lets Italy have their own domestic AR style rifle in production in case some supplier or country cuts off supply of AR style guns to them. It doesn't have to be different or any better than what AR style rifle the US can produce, it's just theirs and no one can tell them what they should do with them.
Firearm technology has reached a plateau, we can't really improve much anymore, other than materials and possibly ergonomics, the rest will always be more or less the same.
Regardless, this is technically not an AR-15, it's an AR-18, there are some arguably small but very appreciated differences, for one, in an AR-18 you can actually have a foldable stock, something that is impossible on an AR-15.
@@Ming-Chan The NARP is not going to replace the ARX160 in Italian service.
The ARX 160 is an Army rifle. It's lightweight, relatively cheap, ambidextrous, runs forever on little maintenance. If you have to train an entire army to use a rifle, that's still the best solution.
The NARP is a special forces rifle. Most of them are already trained on some sort of AR15 platform. Things like trigger and accuracy are more important, unit cost is less important.
For Beretta also, if there's some foreign customer that doesn't want polymer rifles, or want AR15 ergonomics, that's a further possibility to close a contract.
The name of this rifle is just begging to be referred for Hot Fuzz
I like you call certified Florida man James from TFBTV a friend
Haha, yeah known him for years.
What do you think of the QBZ191 ??
Thanks for watching guys, here's the accompanying article for this video -
armourersbench.com/2024/03/03/hands-on-with-berettas-new-narp
I would get one
Beretta has said MULTIPLE times that there would be multiple calibers and barrels before, for more than one of their platforms
Time will tell...
Meanwhile MSBS video: scheduled for the year of 2133...
Eugene Stoner really knew how to use his fingers
For rifle ergonomics...at least
Sig: SPEAR
Beretta: Spearoni Macaroni
Idiotdsaghjl🎃
I WANTED THE L.A.R.P or the N.A.R.C
Should do 6 ARC over Grendel and get more ARC into production.
Maybe in 2050 we'll finally see something that isn't another AR-15 clone.
This looks to be a very forward move for Italian small arms development. 👍
NAAAARP
I wonder why no one has designed a radial delay operated AR15 yet. (I know there's a 9mm but I'm talking 5.56)
1) Fixed barrel+no gas parts=very accurate
2) no buffer system, folding stock
3) Inherently very simple and reliable mechanism🤔🤔
I believe CMMG have.
@@TheArmourersBenchYep, I know they do one for their 9mm PCC at the very least.
Because its not worth the headache vs DI or piston. Delay systems are better than straight blowback but not really better than locked systems, especially for rifle pressures.... Accuracy wouldnt be improved over reg DI system (plus current short stroke piston systems can get very close to or match DI accuracy, for example the army new DMR m110a1 which is HK 417 piston)., often with delay systems you can end up with worse accuracy vs current systems due to how things lock up.. You still need a recoil system, easiest option would be keep AR buffer tube (the bolt carrier would need to be same or higher weight than a locked system so you cant just shorten the bolt and put the spring behind it in the receiver, yes you could develop a different system, but honestly that could be done for the DI AR, but folding stocks aren’t necessarily that great a feature vs collapsing AR stocks and often require other things to be done to prevent carrier tilt etc)Because delayed systems unlock at higher velocities than locked system you usually need something to help extraction, hence why many have fluted chambers, especially rifle calibers and are still prone to extraction issues like ripping cases. That increased velocity also generally results in higher rate of wear and breakage. Delay systems are also very temperamental with velocity, meaning when you do things like change barrel length, add suppressors , or change bullet weight etc you might need to change geometry of delaying surfaces etc. that can be an issue when talking repair and parts compatibility amongst different rifles (i.e. couldnt use same bolt in 10.3 as in the 18” etc). Im sure there are other considerations as well. This is part of why the AR is dominant vs something like the HK delayed rifles.
TLDR, for rifles you reduce versatility, make parts supply and repair more complex and introduce a host of other issues for no real benefit over current locked breach systems.
Delay systems are generally softer shooting and possibly more controllable on full auto vs straight blowback for Pistol cartridges (though more complex and costlier to produce requiring more precise manufacturing... no free lunch)
.223 is a pain in the ass to be blowback delay operated in a AR weight limit. It works as long as the bolt is quite heavy, and so the required delay is not that much but, as soon as the weight of the bolt is taken down to match that of the gas operated ARs, it dangerously oscillates between "not enough delay" and "too much delay" and becomes very ammo specific. See the HK33, that requires different mass of the bolt and shoulder angles for different ammo.
@@ryanpeck3377 I have two RDB 9mm pistol, both factory 8” from cmmg, one is Glock fed and the other is Colt mag fed. On both pistol I have to replaced extractor springs every 1000 rounds, and both bolts have chips on the camming surfaces. I’m only 4K into it on both. Many users have reported cracking in the bolt itself where the cam pin goes. That’s a known weak spot in ARs but it typically happens in the 8-10k(or higher) range. I’ve seen posts on some forums where it happens in the 5k range. I imagine that wear would be shorter in a 556 rdb.
Church of Stoner keep on growing
But what does it bring to the table that isn't already available on the market?
We already have 7 lb piston operated rifles?
No one can beat an AR-15? Yawn
Someone just keeps trying to reinvent the better wheel.
But good to see the Russian + Putin AK fanboys cry that their garbage jam a matic inaccurate AK has lost its appeal.
Not sure an ar15 could handle the new 80k psi hybrid case ammo. Which is 22% lighter and 20% more powerful. It might need a piston action to run.
@@noonecaresaboutgoogle3219All you have to do is update the barrel and upper.
@@noonecaresaboutgoogle3219 barrels aren't made just for one caliber or cartridge to withstand that cartridges pressure.
I see this ignorant comment constantly and it indicates the person is a teenager CZcams Groupie Parrot mouth talker.
The same dumb asses that claim 5.56x45 blow up guns in 223 chamberings like a nuclear bomb.
👍👍
- "New Assault Rifle Platform"
- Look inside
- AR-18
But will it actually sell in the US??
Isn't it just a prettier M4?
Didn't Mentioned gas system & mechanism just copy of M4
Meanwhile, in the UK we still use....
you have the for and against camps with the AR platforms. Most armies switching over for specific reasons, while keyboard commandos moan and groan because their gun vault queens aren't the new dominants. Individual tastes are mote when a general purpose tool has to fit a wide variety of purposes, SOF and CQB teams have their specific needs and get to pic and chose what fits their current mission and sometimes general purpose works for them too, but special teams are small groups because only a special few can meet the requirements to be SOF.
Once released, will the US have access? If not, then I loose interest very quickly.
What the hell is aleominiun?
Google it friend.
Technology makes a jump and then followers make continuous small modifications to the point of diminishing marginal returns.
Beretta copying SIGs homework I see
everything looks like an Ar-15. To bad its not a 6.8mm
Oh wow, another AR-15 with some slight changes. 😐 Great
I didn’t know Italy had special forces
Ask your SEALS, they are often in Italy for joint training with our divers
@@AlFreeman-xy4jy not American
So its an AR15 that eats pasta.
I will never understand why everyone is trying to evolve the AR-15 in to something it was never designed to be
Probably because it's one of the best rifles in the world
The NARP isn't an AR-15. Or 'trying' to be one.
This is not AR15 based, it's just AR15 shaped. It's based on the ar18.
You can trace the answer to that all the way back to the obstinacy of Rene Studler. America is a huge market and has a lot of influence over NATO procurement, and they absolutely refuse to accept anything that they don't like, whether it be due to familiarity, protectionism, or just that they don't like the idea. It's the same reason that the NGSW project was absolutely never going to select any of the bullpup entrants, even if they were superior - nuSIG cronyism aside.
Are you an old fudd? I bet you don’t understand optics either.
The small arms industry is honestly lame. There are so many different mechanisms (literally entire books have been written about just firearm mechanisms, see Chinn or Dannecker for example) yet they keep rehashing the same stuff ad nauseam. Zero innovation or thought.
Its market driven. It makes zero sense from an economic standpoint to dump millions into a new design when you have no idea whether or not people will want to buy it. You're better off attempting to improve what people are already willing to spend money on.
Looks like a MCX clone
So, they're just going to pretend the ARX doesn't even exist ?
No. They are adding an aluminium framed rifle to the existing polymer framed rifle.
The forward assist - a symbol of American insecurity!
Lots of guns have forward assists, although it is worth mentioning Eugene stoner did not believe a forward assist to be necessary for his design when he submitted to the army, but they still wanted one anyway. It’s not a bad mechanism to have, it’s just redundant for almost every scenario.
Cool rifle I’m sure. But I’ll stick with Eugene Stoner’s original design.
The piston operating system was a big failure in ARs.
No. The LWRC is still a top notch piston Ar15
Too Long Didn't Watch:
is AR
the end.
Also, "isn't an AR" huh? nARp 😅
AR = Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle so I guess not.
sorry but I don't see its adding value.
So they can have a fold stock but are too cheap to put one on...
The version with the folding stock already exists, there is a video on YT
Yep, they just didn't have it at SHOT Show
Nothing entirely new here, Just an AR-18 , MCX take from Baretta.
Beretta 👍🏻💪🏻💖🇮🇹surpasses all houses sleep toys 🇫🇷🇹🇷🇷🇺🇨🇳🇪🇦🇬🇧🇺🇲🇨🇦Etc!! live the Beretta made in Italy✌🏻🇮🇹👍🏻💪🏻 number one in the world
"new"
"gOvErNMenT OnLY" contract gun. For yet another AR-18 system with AR-15 ergos. Thank you for nothing, Beretta.
Yeah. Because why pay 1000$ dollars for an AR-15 when you can pay 2000$ dollars for a fancier AR-15?
no more fish gun :(
So it's a modified hk416 which is modified m4
Never seen anyone do that before
Beretta sucks
I assume the Italian special forces know what they want.
And having a home-made system that doesn't require American involvement does make sense, in the scope of the evolving Europe-US relations
@@talscorner3696 Italian special forces
Jokes write themselves
@@El_Peto even assuming your and my personal service records are better than theirs (I'm willing to bet they're not, but let's assume for the sake of the argument) and that the Italian special forces are all, 100%, first to last a bunch of cartoonishly clumsy idiots, it'd still be a strategically sensible idea to have a piece of equipment produced in house that can be integrated within the context of greater Europe, especially should an anti-Nato Republican win the American elections this year.
Is yet another AR-15 clone the be all/end all? Maybe not.
Do random people on the internet have enough information to make an industry and theatre-defining decision? I sure do not.
Plus, Beretta isn't here to run a charity, but to make money and AR's are, at least as it seems to be, what the big spenders currently want.
Doesn't have to be a good idea, just one folks pay for.
@@El_Petolook who's talking
At Beretta they'll be desperate to not have your approval.
Does it poop where it feeds
Oh, look a Italian sig mcx rip off
sig at home lol
@@steinerlk5512 more like the better Sig with better QC
Мда. Стандарты нато и взаимозаменяемость узлов всё же сильно ограничивают конструкторов. И у вас, и у нас. Но всё же это лучше чем сидеть со сломанной винтовкой. Хотя если она сломалась легче достать новую :/
Mdaaa. Nato standards and the interchangeability of components are still very limiting for designers. Both yours and ours. But it's still better than sitting around with a broken rifle. Although if it's broken, it's easier to get a new one :/