The Dumbest Thing The MCU Has Ever Done
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Secret Invasion (2023) - Fury and Talos try to stop the Skrulls who have infiltrated the highest spheres of the Marvel Universe.
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At this point, Kevin Feige is probably a Skrull and the real one got swapped after Endgame.
Or perhaps he was getting too much credit for a success that should be largely attributed to other people too
😂😂😂
Infinity War, Endgame was a best hits compelation with a lazy plot device that rendered the whole thing pointless..........but even that had Captain America lifting the hammer for some enjoyment, lol
Avengers: Endgame was the dumbest pro-fascistic trash ever made
He definitely had the success get to his head the change of CEOs was deadly combo for us fans
Apparently this show cost $212 million to make. Disney has got to be laundering money because there is no way this shit cost more than Oppenheimer which was made for $100 million.
It looks it cost 50-70 mil to make lol.
I don't think that includes the marketing budget so it's probably even more
@@slingshot3615 What cast??? It's not like they brought in some huge actors... none of the Marvel superheroes appeared in it. Do you really think they gave 20 million to Olivia Colman?
@@Bayard1503 To play devil's advocate here, Olivia Coleman has won both the Oscar and BAFTA for Best Actress. I'm sure she's not cheap.
@Bayard1503 Samuel L. Jackson has been one of the highest paid actors for years.
This show was so dumb. That whole scene where they were trying to convince the president that Rhodey was a Skrull.. Holy shit that was frustratingly bad
They could have just shot him. It didn't even need to be fatal.
G'iah casually becoming one of the strongest MCU characters feels so cheap and undeserved. I can't help but think about how dirty Thor has been done by Marvel recently. The guy had one of the most compelling character arcs throughout Phase 1-3 which resulted in him eventually being able to kill Thanos himself, but recently it seems that everybody can just get his powers, Jane in Love & Thunder, and now even G'iah, on top of the other dozens of powers she has. No build-up, no character arc, no struggles, no obstacles to overcome just a serum injection and that's it, you're now a god. It undermines everything the OG heroes had to go through and the journeys they had. What a joke.
They’re just hiring terrible writers and that’s not the worst part. Feige is overseeing and green lighting all of this
But we should also, definitely pay them a lot more money and secure their jobs
Yes the chief creative officer of Marvel is allowing this, the buck stops with him
@@CreaturesOfTheMarsh Absolutely. Sure, Marvel has been struggling but overall last year was FANTASTIC for TV and cinema. Great shows and movies all around.
@@CreaturesOfTheMarsh I would argue that paying writers more would make Studios a lot more careful about which writers they’re hiring.
@@CreaturesOfTheMarshmaybe they’ll get paid if they’ll do their job right
Why would she even verbally say "sleep"? She doesn't know who Mantis is and even if she did, that's a personality quirk she wouldn't need to replicate
Poor Emilia Clarke. First it was the GoT finale and then this.
Don't forget Terminator lol
Not to mention Terminator Genesis 😂
She agreed to this shit
& Solo..... Damp she's been apart of some of the most legendary flops of this decade. She really needs a completed win.
I almost expect Deadpool to appear at the end of the episode and say, "Well, that's just LAZY WRITING."
Marvel shows are a waste of time. It’s definitely not appointment watching now. Runtimes/ lazy storytelling/ terrible endings…this was the series that broke me. And I’ve been fighting against that reality for awhile now.
Of all the powers they gave G'iah, the most destructible was the power to make me cancel Disney+
This just proves Marvel isn’t following their own hard fast rules and cheapens the overall threat believability.
Secret Invasion was one of the most underwhelming MCU projects.
$212 million for six terrible episodes that got shorter each week, a super hero that never suited up and an emasculated Nick Fury. No wonder Disney is reeling. A complete and total waste of money, time and talent.
so wheres your secret invasion show
This cost 212 million? Jesus effing christ.
@@ubuu7 yeah SLJ's salary alone was $20 million.
I wouldn't be surprised if this show was written by Ai. It felt soulless like the opening credits.
I honestly thought the opening credits were the best part. It was soulless, but by design, and set the tone for something way more interesting than what we got, unfortunately.
@andrewtesmacher9716 I did like the opening too.
We are in Multiverse storytelling. I have a feeling that the "reboot" of the MCU will come from the destruction of this timeline we know
The finale was ROUGH. Marvel shows just can't stick the landing
It's usually the opposite for me, marvel shows start extremely slow and end strong. Wandavision started slow and ended strong. Same with Loki for me. But the drop off at the last episode was immense.
The show was mediocre from the start
I’ll say this much- this show’s ending was so bad it made me appreciate all the other finales way more.
WandaVision, Loki, Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, etc, all those final episodes have clear flaws, but damn if they don’t each have some key strengths that Secret Invasion simply does not.
I agree. Honestly and I hope I’m not being disrespectful to your opinion, the only MCU show so far that I genuinely love and think is great is Loki. That’s the only one where I was engaged from the very beginning and continued to be so through its entire first season.
It’s getting pretty bad
This was such a massive letdown in so many ways. And the finale was just utterly horrible.
In regards to Gh'ia acquiring all those powers, it really was stupid and short-sighted but surely, she'll lose them all somehow in fairly short order. Keeping her that way in the MCU really would be a near fatal mistake for Disney/Marvel.
And seeing how nothing has changed in this current Phase, it's super worrisome with characters like the F4 and the X-Men among others, about to be unveiled.
Unless there is a serious course correct, the MCU could be completely dead in short order.
This is simply not the way to go...
It’s also strange that we never see how/why she got that vial from Fury, why Fury would trust her with it (if he even knew about it), and why Gravik was dumb enough to let someone else inside the chamber with him.
Sure Fury isn’t a Skrull, but why take the risk that he walks away with some superpowers?
Gravik got the exact same powers, and he was killed three minutes later after Marvel got their Same vs. Same fight. (I'm surprised there wasn't a skybeam too.) So G'iah can be killed too.
I can’t get over how terrible that show was. Nothing exciting like the source material, awful CGI, writing just seems they’re making stuff up as it goes 😬
It’s also funny that Giah knows how to use all her powers like she’s had them for years 😂
Ray shut down this entire argument with, "she's a super skrull now." John pauses for a second.......then continues on his rant. Hilarious. :)
Even the Super Skrull in tge comics wasn't this powerful?
The problem is that Super Skrull was a villain and it didn’t have all the powers of every superhero in the MCU. So can we please stop bringing up this character when comparing it to Gi’ah?
I think the MCU should step back and take sometime off and reset.
That is the best advice.
One thing that stuck out to me, if the president is declaring war on aliens, what does that mean for the Asgardians?
EPIC MISFIRE in last episode, one of the worst, Emilia Clarke doesn't even fit, same as she didn't fit as Sarah Connor
MCU has become impossible to maintain after Avengers: Endgame. Kang was supposed to be more powerful than Thanos, but got beaten up by Ant-Man.
Antman daughter
kang is powerful. they barely beat him without a ant army. what makes him a threat is that there are millions of versions...they struggled with one version
@@travterr6551 Every multiverse has an ant-man, too, so he's infinite.
Holy cow, she's even got the invisibility powers of Drax 🫥
It was such a stupid risky plan. Imagine if Gravik just killed 'Fury' when he entered the compound and took the DNA for himself. You're just handing the guy who wants to destroy humanity everything he needs to destroy humanity. Brilliant work.
She already had the Extremis power by then so he wouldn’t have been able to kill her that easily
@@sultanofcardio He already put her down once. It would have given him plenty of time to take the vial and enhance himself before she got up.
@@monodescarado yes but this just conjecture because we don’t know how the characters would have acted. They know that Gravik wants the harvest and Fury is the only one who knows where it is. If he kills Fury as soon as he enters the compound he may never get it, so I think it’s reasonable to assume he wouldn’t. Once the harvest was revealed and verified, you could make the argument that the plan could’ve gone sideways from there but I don’t think it was too unreasonable a risk for them to take given G'iah's invulnerability
@@sultanofcardio Never in the history of stupid plans has there been such as stupid plan. Let me put this into context for you:
A villain wants to get something that will give him the powers of Thanos, Captain Marvel, the Hulk and the a whole host of very powerful beings. It will make him the most power villain possible. Nothing will stop him. And he wants to destroy humanity.
So you... .take exactly what he needs to do this.... to him ????????????
At no point should Fury have ever uncovered that vial. They still had the plan to stop Skrull-Brody and stop the attack on the base. There was no actual rush.
So no, we don't know what would have happened with Gaia and Gravik at the compound, but the risks of that stupid stupid plan far outweigh anything else they could have come up with.
It only makes sense if Gi'ah sacrifices herself against some galactic-level threat - like Galactus or Mephisto. Otherwise, having this all-powerful character makes no sense.
When you’ve lost even John Campea, you messed up
That's the one thing I like about John. He actually forgives a lot and can give something a chance. Once you've lost him, it's a wrap.
They made her so powerful and yet I’m waiting for Marvel to stop depowering Hulk
I rolled my eyes so hard at this finale. The MCU is broken and worst of all boring
Marvel: Yeah you bring up good points but....
Anyways, look at this new cool powerful woman we have now.
Being a woman is irrelevant. It's just constant bad writing for female characters.
@@d3l3tes00n That's just it. The reason they write bad female characters is because they are motivated to "right a wrong." The lack of badass females in film history (compared to males). In trying to do so, they skip over writing good characters to begin with.
So it's not the fact that they are women that they are bad characters, rather they are bad because the writers only gave them powers because they are women.
How did they get the DNA of characters that got dusted?
The whole President Ritson storyline on the finale I thought was stupid.
This was the worst MCU project. At least she hulk knew what it was and poked fun of itself. This show was already a slog to get through and Nick Fury being treated like he was incompetent the entire show didn’t help that. This should have been like the winter soldier. Also how did the skrulls not find out that hydra was controlling shield? I gave this show a chance but man was this a let down.
In the old days, fans would write letters to Marvel about what they liked and didn't like, and it seemed Marvel would listen. Those days are long gone.
After watching Secret Invasion, I realized what was wrong with it. I was never truly paranoid. By the end, I never really had the feeling that I couldn’t trust anyone. But I love the setup for the Rhodey series. I get what this show was trying to do. It's an allegory for the refugees we have in our society. But instead of warning against radicalization to stop such a thing, it did the opposite. When you tell people there are lizard people and when the people commit mass murder and the dead turn into lizards, they don't look so crazy.
How does she have the Phasing power of Ghost if Ghost wasnt in the Endgame battle?
A wizard did it.
They obviously answered the question of nature or nurture in the MCU. In theory a lot of those "skills" are actually skills and require training, not some magic injection of DNA.
The only out for this, is that the powers fade or start conflicting and destroying themselves.
What happen to the PLANET that Thanos was gardening on. Couldn't the Skrulls live there?
She Hulk was the true End game of the MCU.
Marvel seems not to understand that putting in the godmode cheat code in a lot of games completely ruins the fun.
Thank goodness MCU ended with End Game. Anything beyond that is just fanfic
Shang Chi is good.
I completely agree John. I didn't even finish the show. This was just bad. Even the Rhodes angle at the end was just hard to believe.
It is really starting to seem like Kevin feige does not have his hands in alot of these projects anymore
He didn’t when this was made.
I'm telling you: KEVIN FEIGE IS A SKRULL. He has to be, cuz his judgment is not like how it used to be. He approved all these bad writers and story choices. He's lost it, so he MUST BE a damn Skrull. That would explain all the poor choices in Phases 4 & 5.
just because you didn't like it doesn't mean everyone didn't.
@@foodini666 When did I say that I didn't like it? I said Kevin Feige has lost it and has made some poor choices, because he has. Learn to read and COMPREHEND what you've read before coming for me or anyone else; lest u look less than smart.
There were many stupid things in this finale. But this.... on all levels... insane. And now we know that everyone, or at least every Skrull, can become this just by injecting some DNA. It's insanity.
Disney is indeed insane for green lighting this
I really wanted to like this series but the list of dumb ideas is just too huge. The first and biggest being that a technologically more advanced space traveling race needs the help of Nick Fury, who belongs to a less technologically advance species that has barely made it to the moon, in order to find a planet to live on. Instead wasting 30+ years on Earth, they should have just asked Star Lord or any of the Guardians who travel to a bunch of different planets any every film.
Literally thought they could take over that empty planet, where guardians' ship crushed in vol 2 😂
This was worse than She-Hulk and that’s saying a lot
This is why I dont watch marvel anymore. I say marvel but its clearly influenced by Disney who have had a bigger say ever since endgame finish. The tones to now and before endgame are so different. "The message" is being forced on everything Disney at the expense of story telling. I just can't watch anything they do right now.
What is not being said is the passing of Chadwick Boseman changed things for Marvel as he was the next guy up. He was by most accounts a loved character that they had to scramble around his death. His untimely loss left them without an foundational character to hitch the next Avengers group too. That situation combined with the changing of leadership at Disney led to a huge direction shift that's left Marvel kinda blah. Hopefully, between Loki and Deadpool they can kinda soft reset and maybe just maybe they can fix the issues. I'd definitely use the light reboot to recast Black Panther. That character could save them.
The power creep is insane. A decade of building on Thanos and the Infinity Stones, to then in 1 year put Kang above him and show the stones as literal paper-weights in Loki. Then they basically give Thor the Dragonballs in Love and Thunder. Now… they have a god machine. As much as I like Endgame, that movie is the foundation of all the MCUs current problems. As soon as Tony Stark casually invented time travel almost by accident, they lost their grip on reality.
People have been complaining Kang isn't strong enough. He lost to ants remember?
@@toshtao1 yeah because it’s sloppy writing. There is a huge disconnect between what we’ve seen Kang do, and what we’ve been told Kang did. They gas his off-screen feats to the moon, but when we see him he loses to two Loki’s and a few Ants. They gassed Thanos for six years, at the time no one could believe he would live up to the hype. And what happens when we first see him in action?? He made the two strongest Avengers look like practice, killed the villain of the first Avengers movie with ease, only to then get exponentially more powerful from there. They sold him as being unbeatable, and when we finally saw him, he was, he won. The Avengers beat him by getting the drop on an injured, stoneless version of
Him, and then they snapped him back the second time. It took all the cheese in the world to take him down, and then they have the nerve to tell me some guy named Kang is watching this saying “yeah… I’ll allow it”. Then they tell that there’s planet creating God beings. Then they tell me Scarlett Witch is more powerful than Thanos. FUCK OUTTA HERE.
The Rhodes stuff is dumb. Them gathering dna from every avenger; also dumb.
Shape-shifting aliens and you're worried about "compatible DNA"? 😑
This show started out so great. These last two episodes really ruined the entire thing.
A Skrull literally saved the President’s life, yet he declares war on all Skrulls.
Well a whole group of Skulls also tried to kill him as well, so that kinda negates one Skrull busting him out of an overturned car. Also, a Skrull basically made him look a fool for years by pretending to be Rhodey and influencing all his decisions. That would definitely bruise a POTUS's ego.
But Gaia has a weakness you fail to realize that will cause here ultimate demise. FAMILY.
Definitely written by CW writers or AI. I could not believe they actually went through with that "Harvest" idea
First... Captain Marvel is described as the most powerful.
Then.. Scarlet Witch is deemed most powerful.
And now this. Geez.
Having all that DNA should have caused a massive bodily rejection and they both should have died
IMO Kevin Fiege completely checked out after Endgame. He was the absolute mastermind keeping the entire universe on track building to that point for like 32 films. But after Thanos went to dust, so did his involvement. Ever since then it's been a bunch of TV writers wanting to tell "their stories" and the man that previously had *zero* reservations about firing super famous directors that couldn't follow the plan suddenly started caving to their wants instead of dictating the path. And it turns out everything they wanted is garbage. TL/DR: He's been letting a lot of terrible writers hired in recent years dictate things.
ever since disney bought them, marvel have been in slow decline..
1000% agree. I wonder if he said he would take a step back and let writers tell their stories, and is secretly grinning watching them all get shat on. Might give him the wheel again now
Secret Invasion was the first MCU show that I never even bothered watching. The decline has been so insane that I don't even trust them to make a good show. Ever since Endgame, DC has undoubtedly been better.
Sure 😂
Right thats why each movie lately has flopped massively.
Easy fix would of been the power was temporary, and they had to keep on using it but was slowly killing them....like Compound V in the boyz
I think something else that could work is that yes she has all the powers but all of them are half as strong as the originals so she would have to mix up which powers she will use on different opponents
Gotta love how it felt like Sony probably said leave spidermans DNA out of this whole superhero DNA mashup lol
How did they get Thanos’ blood and ebony maw?
I guess their blood and DNA didn’t turn to dust with the rest of them
Poorly cgi arm of Dave Bautista on Emilia Clarke is an image no one should be forced to see, let’s put it like that
Yea, that shot was very bad. It stuck out to me the most.
The dumbest? She Hulk was BY FAR DUMBER.
People seem to have poor memories. She Hulk was one of the worse things produced under the Marvel name.
@@seekeroftruth45 what is sad is that I loved the She Hulk comics and was excited for the series. Then it came out.
Well, I think we are over looking the fact that gravik also had all the same powers and he still died.
Super skrull was a mistake to put in the narrative. The decision to shoehorn that element in has undermined the story quality.
The shapeshifting powers of skrulls was enough to drive the story and making humans go to war with each other was a sufficiently compelling agenda for gravik, he absolutely did not need to have that subplot about stealing superpowers to become a super skrull.
Super Skrulls were in the original Secret Invasion story and they were much more predominantly.
I’m surprised she didn’t have Atomic Bomb powers,
From the DNA of J. Robert Oppenheimer, at the Atmoic Bomb Blast site,
And of Indiana Jones, who’s DNA was found in a nearby refrigerator.
I find it really hard to believe Kevin F had any part of this ending bc WTF
I disagree. I thought it was a very comic book move. That being said even though I enjoyed the series the finale was meh. Also the DNA not matching together made sense in the show considering they kept randomly switching arms and bodies and stuff. Considering what should be coming with secret wars having someone like Giah is necessary
Why would Fury take the chance to give the harvest to Gravik (through Gaia) when its basically a coin flip who comes out the machine fight AS THE MOST POWERUL BEING IN THE UNIVERSE! Like "well Gaia might win or the dude who already pretty much can and wants to destroy humans might...." Plus Other then Gravik still being alive and having the couple powers he's accumulated, Fury didn't need to have Gaia go to Russia since Fury at the hospital is what stopped the immediate nuke strike. So so so bad Fiege, so bad
That is literally what the super skrulls are in the comics just too powerful for mcu
So your telling me that the MCU now has the most powerful skull ever, having the powers of the MCU characters with powers (Hulk, Thor, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Groot, Mantis, Thanos, Abomination, Korg , Valkyrie, Proxima Midnight, Maw, Doctor Strange, Loki, Kamala Khan, Wanda, Quicksilver, Ghost, Scott Lang, Wasp, Cosmo, Drax, Captain America, She Hulk, Moon Knight, Spider Man, Bucky, Falcon, Star Lord, and so on and so forth). This is actually the definition of lazy writing. But my theory is that she is gonna be manipulated by Kang, and become one of the most powerful villains, even though she is good right now, and be one of the main antagonists of the Kang Dynasty, and possibly Secret Wars. What do you guys think ?
G'iah "What you're seeing now is my normal state. [transforms] This is a Super Skrull. And this.. [transforms again] This is what is known as a Super Skrull 2. When I absorb everyone's powers I can go further beyond. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
And this is what I call Super Skrull 3...."
They should have saved this for a great character like Rogue ..
DUDE thts would be actually be sick and creative 😭🔥and they had a storyline to blueprint this show but chose to mess it up
If Emilia Clarke is in it it basically means there will be shit ending.
Right....because Emilia Clarke was the one who wrote the script, screenplay and directed the final season of GoT.
@@navinmenon7671It’s obviously not her fault, but…. GOT, Solo, This. She’s had some bizarre luck lol
I just realized it makes logically zero sense how they even have the DNA of Ebony Maw. Infinity War was shot into the vacuum of space, end game was disintegrated by the snap. The director and writers. Sadly, I don't think have a place anywhere in legacy interpretations of stories because they don't care about them to even do basic research to craft a believable story.
Ebony Maw did bleed in the first attack on earth in New York. He got hit in the head.
Marvel feels this need to give every significant side character powers or make them a superhero. I hate this creative choice. It’s okay for a side character to just be a regular human or alien w/ no superpowered abilities
I want screenwriters to stay employed, but maybe an AI could have double checked this script.
Nevermind the fact that it was only like 35 minutes, but it didnt feel like a finale. I was like, "That's it" when it was over
The thing is the event exists in the comics already… they just don’t have the whole power but they possess it for a fraction of the full power.
I have one question? How did all the humans survive around all that radiation? 🤔🤬🤬🤬
I'm surprised they didn't give her the power of Grayskull as well.
😂😂😂
The MCU is going through the same shit as the comics, random ass people doing whatever they please.
The season as a whole was just not good. There are certain characters in this show that have been around for awhile in the MCU and their deaths made me feel NOTHING. Meanwhile, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 made me emotional over the death of a cgi otter that had less than 15 minutes of screen time.
The death of any talking furry animal should be taboo in Hollywood.
My problem is: The Skulls worked for Fury since the 90s but not a single one of them was able to see the threat of hydra growing inside of Shield?
Trrrrrueeee!
DragonBall fans “Welcome to power levels. We’re gonna talk an awful lot about them, but they don’t mean shit.”
Spoilers:
There are a few missteps here. Firstly, the villain was a disinfranchised leader of a superpowered political terrorist group whose disinfranchisement came after setting up a life for themselves after the blip using the empty houses of the people who were dusted by Thanos. When people came back, they again were faced with the unfairness of being homeless. This is the storyline of falcon and the winter soldier. Why repeat that story ark in another show but a few years later? Also, I understand that the Super Skrull is a character, with multiple super hero powers, but he does not have all of them, just a few of them, so why unnecessarily create so overpowered a being. Even if she loses the powers, which they undoubtedly must make her do, they have set a precident that all one need do in the MCU to have godly power is to take one Skrull (of which there are many) and a soup of any super hero DNA, and bake on high for 10 seconds. Boom - you now have a God
Sounds like Rey Skywalker +8
I think kevin feign has been replaced by a skrull after average endgame.
While I have really enjoyed Secret Invasion, I actually have to agree with John on this. Gi’ah is now so powerful, there’s literally no one and nothing that can stop her short of Kang (maybe???), maybe a Celestial or Galactus, and Doom.
She’s so overpowered, who the f**k can fight her? And she’s just going to go along with Sonia?
Was it fun? Sure. Was it good storytelling? Hell no.
Also, if Gravik had all of the same powers, and their fight lasted 1 minute? Really? With that much power, they could have wrecked the planet fighting.
Easily foreseeable solution is to have her be killed by the next big-bad to show how other-worldly powerful that character is, kind of like how Thanos was able to defeat Hulk so easily, it was all about power scaling for the audience and I could see them going the same route here.
Disney loves making 5 foot women the most powerful people in any universe.
@@Vandetta333lol in your mind you made sense
@@Vandetta333 If they cast a lady who genuinely is intimidating, then yes. They don't have to all be fighters, saw a film called Eye In The Sky where Helen Mirren played a military commander. Despite her stature she absolutely dominated the room.
I don't see many intimidating men lol I had no idea that height was a requirement for super beings.
That wasn’t the biggest issue. The biggest issue was WHY would Fury give her the DNA cocktail in the first place?
On a conceptual level, Secret Invasion as a tv show itself was a stupid idea. Secret Invasion is one of the biggest and best storylines in Marvel Comics history. It should have been an Avengers level event. Instead we get a tv show in which not even a single super pwered being is present(until the finale, but it's the Skrulls).
This should have been an entire phase of films and tv shows. At this point, they are not even trying to make sense of the Multiverse saga, which is a really frustrating thing.
And oh John, I won't be even surprised if Marvel and Feige themselves don't know what the future roadmap is for the MCU.
Martin Scorsese is now like 'I told you so'.
In Secret Invasion, the invasion already happened. It came to a head and now is the reveal.... and the fallout.
@@richhutnik2477 yeah. The animated tv show Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes adapted this storyline very well. It also has Kang in the mix, him actually setting up the event.
Well now we know who's going to beat Kang and Galactus
Apparently Hollywood used cgi on Emilia Clarke's face to de-age, and smooth out imperfections because they wanted her baby-faced like at the beginning of GoT. Hollywood can't stand natural ageing, and people seem to forget a decade has passed, people are allowed to not opt for tweakments. I love her smile and frown lines.
They do this while nerfing Doctor Strange … Marvel lost their marbles.
This show should have been an email