"If you continue to behave like a child, then this becomes a much simpler matter. I will cut your brand deals. I will axe your movies. _I will discontinue your branded vibrators."_
@@adhirg 80/60 is really low for normal blood pressure. 100/70 would sound closer to natural, and even that is something that a professional athlete might have. Besides, how would Homelander even measure someone's blood pressure with only his hearing? I think he's actually talking about his BPM. EDIT: Okay, turns out that he actually tells people their blood pressure elsewhere in the show, too. So I was wrong! That raises another question, though: how on earth does he do it? 😂
@@tepixel3315 heart rate is usually written as 1 number, not two. yes, 80/60 would be considered low, but that’s the point. Edgar is a CEO who remains calm under extreme pressure, it’s not a stretch that he has a below average blood pressure when he’s not stressed. and more to the point, Homelander’s presence does NOTHING to change that, which frustrates Homelander to no end.
@@adhirg Yeah, I get that. If that really is what he's talking about, of course it drives the point home pretty well. But having an upper pressure of 80 still sounds like you would pass out every time you stand up 😂
@@thedarkone9552 Not sure about that but he's certainly unconcerned with both losing his seat in the company and getting literally torn to shreds right then and there. He has something that guarantees Homelander can't harm him (Black Noir probably) and he knows for sure he'll be back in full control
He understands Homelander's folly. Cant kill him because itll make homie look bad. Cant rage cause itll look bad. Stan said it best at the beginning of this season. He wanted out anyway. Homelander just handed him a clean slate to do whatever he wants. If homelander touches him, it's over. Everyone will know he set him up to take over the company. All homelander did was put a HUGE target on himself. And we all know how well homelander handles stress and pressure.
My favorite part about this whole exchange is the fact Edgar doesn't once even react or so much as acknowledge Homelanders subtle threats. With everyone else he uses those quips on, they always have a reaction, except for this guy. It's great to see Homelander hit a brick wall when it comes to at least one person. And you can tell it seriously pisses him off when it doesn't work the way he wants it to.
Homelander can brag all he wants about Stan not mattering to him any more, when the very fact he's there trying to get a rise out of him says the exact opposite. Homeboy likes to think he's clever, but Edgar can handle him literally without breaking a sweat.
I'm glad that Edgar isn't upset with Vic. He understands what went down and he respected the decision she made. But that quote about Supe's being a bad product was something Stillwell said at the end of the comic series.
It`s no suprise, Edgar in the series is an original character made of Edgar from the comics (an unseen character), with the personality of Stillwell (again, from the comics)
Edgar knows something Homelander doesn't: when you're the head of the company, it's your success if it goes well and your failure if it doesn't because that's all the public sees. When things go bad (and they will because this is Homelander, he will eventually be messing up or kill someone in a fit of rage), Homelander will likely try to punch his way out of a bad situation but it's not the same as knowing how to actually deal with a problem. He has the ability to not give a sh*t because there are always other people there to clean up his mess but when those people are gone he will have to do that himself and he does not have the skills, temper or know-how to do that effectively.
He's been running on this anti-vought anti-establishment PC campaign that excited his fanatics but once that opposition is swept away he'll have nothing of substance to argue on
maybe that's why Edgar is so calm. bc he knows exactly how this situation will play out. he wants to be in the military pharmaceutical business. can't do that with Vought. my guess is that Edgar will surrender everything to homelander finance wise. start up his own company that delves in the business he desires and then eventually absorbs Vought when it needs the cash. he's back in charge again.
I think it ties into what he said last season, how he doesnt have the privilege to freak out and throw a temper tantrum when things go wrong for multiple reasons. When the ship is about to crash into rocks he has to remain calm, composed, and handle it effectively. Homelander cant do that
The funny thing to me is that Homelander never comes up with an actual comeback. He understands that everything he's saying is true so he's virtually left speechless whenever Edgar insults him, and when he DOESN'T think it's true he's STILL SILENT because of his ego/insecurity is so big- & he's so incredibly pissed off that he can't think of anything to say except things that would make him look even worse.
He could laser him, or make his drink bubble ....which means, he really didnt want Edgar to mea culpa , but Stan wouldnt. And that really frustrates him.
There are only two people Homelander has ever dealt with whom he can't intimidate. Billy Butcher at least hates him, so Homelander is still important to him. Stan sees nothing in Homelander worth feeling anything for, and Homeboy has no clue how to deal with someone like that.
@@danieldickson8591 Homelander is used to intimidating people to get what he wants, but he can't intimidate Edgar. Even threatening him is sorta pointless since he'll never gain the satisfaction of 'beating' him.
Seriously, though, maybe he took Compound V, and has powers and we just don't know about it. Maybe he has a power like powerful influence for example. Just never revealed it. Would fit his character and explain why he is so relaxed around sups.
@@mitochondrium2648 he probably just looks at them like you would an anime figurine or some funko pops lol because that's exactly what the seven is: novelty items
That would actually be a great twist if Edgar was a supe all along but was just so disciplined as to never use his powers, not until a life-or-death situation arose.
I wouldn’t be surprised. He probably saw the writing on the wall and knew Homelander would escalate and wanted to GTFO when the getting was still good.
It does make sense of him being a spoilt brat he could never be disciplined or told no as a kid as those who would most likely be killed by homelander so he would always get his way but as an adult he knows that the things he wants he needs others to do so he can't just kill anyone who stands in his was
I love how Edgar was barely acknowledging Homelander when he’s going off about his leave of absence lol. Stan is totally right, Homelander wants his attention and you can see it gets to him when Stan isn’t even looking at him 😂 it’s only once he brings up Victoria Edgar answers him
Bingo. He's absolutely bored with Homelander, barely even giving him the time of day. It's adding insult to injury when he talks about Vicky with pride
Homelander getting a dose of reality, he gets so lost in his ego until he’s reminded where he comes from and why he exists. I think both actors play their role incredibly well.
This is the second time Homelander thought he did a great thing and tried to rub it in Edgar's face, only for Edgar to calmly explain him his triumph doesn't means shit and what a moron he is for believing it is a win.
I love how Edgar took it like a champ. No mental breakdown, no crying, no blaming the others. Instead, he keeps it cool. He always has many plans and he's even shutting Homelander down. He knows Homelander will be break someday and he's only counting the time. Right now, he will enjoy his retirement and waiting for Homelander to have his own downfall.
Homelander genuinely enjoys people who aren't afraid of him. They're so rare in his life (only Butcher and Edgar) that he seems to like speaking with them. They're the only people whom he shows actual respect for - he asks Butcher's permission to come into his home (as opposed to just entering Newman's home) and he lets Edgar openly insult him (compared to threatening to kill A Train for insulting him behind his back). Since Maeve also stood up to him, he seemed to speak to her more as an equal (even though he took her prisoner), and it'll be interesting to see how his dynamic with Starlight also changes.
I thought he was going to laser him right as he walked out the door. What's so childish about Homelander is that after all these years of working with Edgar he still thinks he can get a rise out of him or trigger some negative emotion. Stan Edgar didn't get to where he's at by losing his decorum.
Edgar pretty much replaces Stillwell from the comics as the unfeeling businessman Homelander hates but can't bring himself to kill. HL needs them to fear/respect/worship him, and the fact that he doesn't, HL can't kill him until he does
Homelander CAN'T kill him because if he does Stan still wins lmao it's amazing how he has all that power but it's literally brains over brawn. When Homelander loses his shit eventually, Stan is STILL going to be safe because Homelander CANNOT, at all cost of his ego, prove Stan right.
Homelander has vast physical power, but he's trying to match Stan Edgar on his playing field, the psychological level. Stan is by far his superior there.
What I really love about this scene in the beginning is you can clearly see Homelander trying to find different ways to get under Stan’s skin. His facial expressions, the smugness and quick eye darts over to Stan after he finishes any of his cheap attempts to hurt him are so telling. But unlike Homelander, Stan doesn’t need his respect and isn’t scared of him. You could see in Homelander’s face right before he said “don’t blame Vicky” his expression dropped a little, because he could tell what he was saying still wasn’t bothering Stan in the slightest, so he had to go for the closest thing he had for a daughter. And even there, Stan instead was impressed rather than hurt by Victoria’s actions. Absolutely love the details in this scene and the show in general.
He’s making those expressions because he’s reading to see if Stan’s heart rate is beating fast which is a indication Stan is scared, but his heart is not beating fast is why homelanders makes those expressions of disappointment
@@The_once_future_king but Homelander doesn't need to see Stan to hear his heart rate. He couldn't see Stan's face at the beginning of this scene due to Stan facing away from him, yet he said his heart rate was 80/60. He was looking to see if his face gave anything away and also listening to his heart rate, but neither shifted, hence his smug expression dropping and he kept digging deeper to get to him.
Homelander is so transparent in his need to get some kind of rise out of Stan. He really is a like a child trash-talking on the playground. It's only reasonable for Stan to treat him like one, especially since Stan Edgar has been dealing with powerful people literally since before Homelander was born.
I can't tell if the shudder at 1:06 is either: Homelander cracking a joke at how dark and poetic Edgar was with his statement and choice of words. Or Anthony Starr shuddering at how chilling his fellow cast member delivered that line. I mean come on, it's Giancarlo insulting you with a scathingly straight face.
It’s Homelander basically just saying Ohh what a cold response that was, but the mocking tone implies he’s not hurt by the words at least that’s the impression he wants to give off. That’s just my 2 cents on it tho
He's definitely posturing. He wants to appear unfazed by Edgar's comment there but the fact that he even reacted at all to it is why Stan won. Every single needling comment Homelander makes in this scene falls on deaf ears. Stan absolutely does not give a shit about Homelander or what he could do. Whereas Homelander truly is weighing his entire ego on Stan's view of him. He wants a reaction, he tries to play on Stan's level by fighting with words, and he still gets utterly decimated, because at the end of the day, he still cares, while Stan doesn't.
It’s interesting, Edgar doesn’t have a breakdown over bad product like in the comic, which happened at the end of the series. I kind of appreciate Stan since he does have a point over how HL now has nobody to cover for him, except for Ashley, which obviously won’t last long. Despite this episode’s ending, there’s hope for HL being taken down. There’s still people out there who want his blood and still want to try to spill it.
I dont think this is supposed to be the end. There's no way they wouldn't use the panel with homelander outside his office for a scene, especially with the actors involved. I think Edgar will eventually return before the series ends and then we'll get a proper confrontation after he loses it and goes full dictatorship.
A major difference is that Edgar has been pretty explicit throughout S2 and S3 that Supes aren't the product; compound V and Temp V are. Edgar's wet dream would be to get rid of all the Supes and start selling Temp V to the government in bulk.
@@JoesephRobinetteBidenJr He doesn't really have a "breakdown" he simply loses but still keeps his professional demeanor, albeit in a more defeated manner. Even when Homelander confronts him in the end, as he berates Homelander, he just looks like he's empty inside.
"Play both sides" and the "respect" lines were key He's going to work with the government to organize the takedown of home lander and Voght Vic is still on his side because he does respect the hell out of her and she learned well from him. He also knows home lander doesn't understand what respect really is not how us humans do at least. Season 3 end will be a surprise for sure
Actually, that would probably be the hardest way. With his senses Homelander can tell right away if you're only acting. Vicky tried that on him and he shut her down immediately. Stan Edgar really doesn't care, or at least he would accept the reality without regret. And that's a rare breed of man indeed.
This episode was called "The Wonderful 5 year Plan" yet we never heard anything about said plan. The one instance about it way earlier in the season when Edgar said he was planning on leaving behind superheroes as a business in 5 years. What happened in this episode? Edgar was thrown out Vaught cutting his ties with the superhero business. This wasn't Edgar being played and betrayed, this is the first step in his plan to make a company that doesn't need superheroes at all. He is on top of things and no one can see it.
Agreed. I could be wrong but I think he had Vic pretend to be against him while he pretended to be shocked while on camera in order to fool Homelander. After the company is fucked by Homelander with Ashley taking the blame as CEO, he'll come back like a knight in shining armour to restore the company back to glory. By the end of Homelanders coup, most of the permanent supes will be dead or retired which will remove all of the flawed product from Voughts lineup. Leaving only the Temp V and the multi-billion dollar military contracts as their new income source.
The title - glorious five year plan - is a reference to the comic's superhero team of soviet union heroes, called 'the glorious five year plan' and named after the shift of industrialization under Joseph Stalin. The title probably refers to how the Boys go to russia. That said, I could see your theory being correct as said superhero team don't exist in the boys show, as far as we can tell, because the only member to appear is one of the inmates in the supe facility we saw in season 2.
Maybe, but he absolutely loves Butcher's presence. Butcher and everything he does feeds his ego because everything Butcher does is to sabotage or hurt him and inherently it's all about him. It's an inevitability but the sheer attention Butcher gives Homelander pleases him dearly even if he's the reason his son is away from him
I think Homelander understands that this is a game between him and Edgar, no one gets under his skin quiet like Gus does and to kill him would be to admit defeat, his ego would never recover because Edgar strength isn’t superpowers, it’s the power of his fearlessness. And to a narcissist like Homelander, stripping away that bravado is the only way he’ll feel satisfied with that win.
to quote Team Four Star "why do you antagonize him like that? you know how easily he can kill you right?" "At this point it's a game. if he gives in, i win. and he knows that."
Everyone is like "ooh Edger has a plan up his sleeve!" His plan is to sit back and enjoy the show while Homelander drives Vought into the fucking ground. Lmao.
"When have you ever done anything remotely interesting or original? What have you thought of to do that the lowest speck of this pointless species couldn't, were they to be granted your level of power?" Originally, that was one of Stillwell's quotes. Stan Edgar may not have said the exact words, but the sheer disrespectful tone of this dialogue remains the same. Whether a hero or a villain, Homelander sees himself as worthy of recognition, and without that recognition he's a nervous wreck.
I feel like Edgar is stepping out of the way to avoid getting blamed for when this all goes to hell. He can't be blamed for something if he was never even a part of it after all. I don't think Edgar even knows exactly what will happen. He just knows something WILL happen and left himself open to get pushed out so he looks totally innocent. Edgar doesn't seem like the sort of person to let someone get one over on him. It's almost like he's leaving on his own terms. He's not upset at all. Like Homelander said he's just mildly musing as he looks out the window. Like nothing has even happened.
The dude pushed a little girl to her death, did nothing to save people from a crashing place, manipulates and disrespects everyone in the seven, killed a Super Hero just because they were deaf and was going to be introduced to the Seven, etc. He's so freaking evil that Lex Luther would crap out a brick castle out of fear.
In Homelander's eyes, he perceives himself as a God, but here stands a man, that by all physical standards is average at best and yet the shadow he casts over Homelander makes him feel insignificant. It is so satisfying to see Edgar putting Homelander in his place, but let's not forget the fact that Edgar is responsible for creating such a monster in the first place.
Pretty sure Vicky is the counterpart to comic Stillwell's girlfriend in which Stan will use her to eventually shift any and all blame from Vought onto her.
I'm pretty sure Vicky is the counterpart to Victor the Vice President AKA "Vic the VP". I think the show equivalent of James Stillwells girlfriend is Ashley
@@cruzl1182 Yeah maybe she ending go total crazy like the comics and blow her head for mistake or kill her daughter for mistake we know that she already kill her parents because of the instability of her powers
@@Marcel-gt4tp yeah this scene and that one are very reminiscent of each other, like Joffrey homelander believes he holds all the cards and like Tywin Edgar is like “ We ain’t even playing the same game get back to me when your on my level
Giancarlo Esposito is excellent at portraying these meticulous, powerful, egoistic men. First with Gus and now we see him here with Stan Edgar. Great acting from him
The end was perfect. Homelander was holding that smile trying to convince himself that he's unfazed by what Edgar said. But deep down, he really really is fazed!
This scene has convinced me that Edgar definitely has a contingency plan for Homelander. No way you create something that evil and powerful without having a way to kill it in case it gets out of line.
Love how @ 0:24 Homelander tries to bait Edgar into reacting to him but when he sees that it doesnt work he gets annoyed an tries to talk about Victoria.
I know Edgar is a bad guy, but I freaking love him! He's just so unbothered by Homelander. When Homelander tries to intimidate Edgar or seeks a reaction out of him, Edgar just slices right through Homelander's indestructible skin with his words. His verbal insults are so good that I feel like I'm the one being burned.
I like how Edgar didn't respond to Homelander until he mentioned Neuman. It shows he does care for her in some sense and Edgar really gave no crap about Homelander
I love the display of power between the two. Homelander's powers can make him strong in the sense that he doesn't have to worry about being severely hurt or killed, but he's nothing without them. While Edgar has a different kind of strength that doesn't need power of any sort. It definitely comes in handy but he's a man of strong will, determination, confidence, and discipline. He literally stood up to a man who could tear him in half, and did so without showing weakness. He's not scared of being hurt or vulnerable because he's been through it, Homelander hasn't.
In the original comic Stan Edgar was white however the choice of casting Giancarlo was brilliant he has so much experience from breaking bad and BCS of being a ruthless business man that the choice was easy to make.
he is what Lex Luthor could be if he was more cold calculating and less ego. Lex Luthor would pretty much always win if he had the same calm disposition as Stan Edgar. Just as Homelander is like superman if superman had Lex Luthor's ego plus more parental issues
Somehow it doesn't feel like Stan Edgar has lost a centimeter of control.... Feels like he's still pulling ALL of the strings and like everyone is merely his puppet.
Edgar isn't afraid of homelander because he knows even if homelander kills him , he won't get his respect or fear . Also , Edgar besides butcher are the only ones who aren't afraid of him . killing them won't make them respect him and there won't be anyone else to play with if he kills everybody , homelander would be completely alone if he did that .
I love that homelander seems his shit eating grin after he says something annoying, like a toddler after he’s done something wrong for attention, and Edgar just doesn’t care and it starts to annoy him as the scene goes on
Exposito is the perfect actor to play the James Stillwell character. Cold and cunning. Never once intimidated by homelander because he knows exactly how is mind works. He knows homelander could end his life like it was nothing
I like that they still hold a torch to James Stillwell by personifying him through Stan Edgar. They even made the blood pressure reference like when Homelander is trying to intimidate him in the comics.
Actually a good strategy. Expose Homelander to sun light. Sooner or later Homelander is going to screw up and everyone will see him for what he really is and all Edgar has to do is walk away. Also I do think Vought has an off button for supers, they just haven't used it yet. I don't think they would be stupid enough to give crazy people super god like powers without someway to shut it off.
When Mr. Edgar told homelander he’s not a god it reminded me from a scene in avengers where tony says “Everything special about you came out of a bottle”
One of the men Homelander even fears, he knows he can end his career with just a snap of his fingers and the fact that he has no fear of Homelander whatsoever is just fuckin boss
Giancarlo Esposito reminds me a lot Charles Dance : they both plays now the same kind of cold blood, pragmatic and smart chess master. I would gladly see them acting together in a same movie to see a sharp dialog opposing both of their character.
“You are not a god, you are simply…not up to Pollos standards”.
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He is not 'acceptable'
"If you continue to behave like a child, then this becomes a much simpler matter. I will cut your brand deals. I will axe your movies.
_I will discontinue your branded vibrators."_
[Mike Ehrmantraut walks in wearing Dakota Bob's suit], "My supes are solid, you are DONE"
I’m weak as fuck. Los pollos hemano does not approve💀
Despite Edgar’s downfall, he still continued to have the last laugh against Homelander.
It's like he knows he'll be back in power at some point~
But is it his downfall though? Is it really? Hmmmmm
There’s no way this is the end of him
He has connections. He will most likely return
Even tho he got ratted on he still wins. Everything is going down exactly how he said it would in this clip.
You could tell when Edgar said ‘you are simply… bad product’ that cut deep into Homelander’s soul
You mean that bottomless, gaping, pit of insecurity Homelander calls a soul?
would have been a deeper burn if he said "you are simply...a DEFECTIVE product"
@@johnnicholson7090 If his soul was a pit of insecurity before Edgar delivered that final line, it's a veritable chasm now.
He doesn't have a soul. As a bad product ;)
not up to pollos standards
FYI, 80/60 is Homelander checking his BPM, showing that Edgar isn't truly afraid of him even after a devastating blow to vought.
didn't know that, thanks for the info!
blood pressure, not BPM
@@adhirg 80/60 is really low for normal blood pressure. 100/70 would sound closer to natural, and even that is something that a professional athlete might have. Besides, how would Homelander even measure someone's blood pressure with only his hearing? I think he's actually talking about his BPM.
EDIT: Okay, turns out that he actually tells people their blood pressure elsewhere in the show, too. So I was wrong! That raises another question, though: how on earth does he do it? 😂
@@tepixel3315 heart rate is usually written as 1 number, not two. yes, 80/60 would be considered low, but that’s the point. Edgar is a CEO who remains calm under extreme pressure, it’s not a stretch that he has a below average blood pressure when he’s not stressed. and more to the point, Homelander’s presence does NOTHING to change that, which frustrates Homelander to no end.
@@adhirg Yeah, I get that. If that really is what he's talking about, of course it drives the point home pretty well. But having an upper pressure of 80 still sounds like you would pass out every time you stand up 😂
All according to plan. Edgar not being intimidated one bit just shows he's cooking up something.
Could it be that he actually wanted this to happen? He's out of the picture, waiting for the storm to pass, now in sort of safety, away from HL
@@thedarkone9552 Not sure about that but he's certainly unconcerned with both losing his seat in the company and getting literally torn to shreds right then and there. He has something that guarantees Homelander can't harm him (Black Noir probably) and he knows for sure he'll be back in full control
He understands Homelander's folly. Cant kill him because itll make homie look bad. Cant rage cause itll look bad. Stan said it best at the beginning of this season. He wanted out anyway. Homelander just handed him a clean slate to do whatever he wants. If homelander touches him, it's over. Everyone will know he set him up to take over the company. All homelander did was put a HUGE target on himself. And we all know how well homelander handles stress and pressure.
I think he's waiting for homelander to f*ck up. After that, he will take vought again
Maybe waiting for HL to fuck then he can play “hero”
My favorite part about this whole exchange is the fact Edgar doesn't once even react or so much as acknowledge Homelanders subtle threats. With everyone else he uses those quips on, they always have a reaction, except for this guy. It's great to see Homelander hit a brick wall when it comes to at least one person. And you can tell it seriously pisses him off when it doesn't work the way he wants it to.
I know its just makes him badass
Him and Butcher
Just like the comic .... that character was very calm and monotone. Excellent job by Giancarlo Esposito.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Wish he had more scenes cause he steals the show every time
Why doesn't he just fry edgar's brain lol
How can Edgar even manage to walk out of the room while carrying the weight of those massive BALLS OF STEEL that he's got dangling there!
Lmaoo
When you're essentially steel. It's just walking.
Nahh. It called acting
@@desmiyantisri8433 go learn to use english properly kid, dont be act as if you're smart
@@desmiyantisri8433 yes, I am aware that this is a TV show, and that he is, in fact, an actor.
"Looking for my approval, like I'm your daddy?"
This line stings just that much more when we find out Stan knew all about Homelander's actual daddy. 😂
Homelander can brag all he wants about Stan not mattering to him any more, when the very fact he's there trying to get a rise out of him says the exact opposite. Homeboy likes to think he's clever, but Edgar can handle him literally without breaking a sweat.
@@danieldickson8591 He can handle Homelander without his sweat breaking a sweat.
I'm glad that Edgar isn't upset with Vic. He understands what went down and he respected the decision she made. But that quote about Supe's being a bad product was something Stillwell said at the end of the comic series.
It`s no suprise, Edgar in the series is an original character made of Edgar from the comics (an unseen character), with the personality of Stillwell (again, from the comics)
Basically Edgar is Stillwell
Edgard is Stillwell basically
that’s because it wasn’t edgar, it was gustavo talking
I honestly think this scene was the TV shows parallel of Stillwell's last conversation with homelander.
Edgar knows something Homelander doesn't: when you're the head of the company, it's your success if it goes well and your failure if it doesn't because that's all the public sees. When things go bad (and they will because this is Homelander, he will eventually be messing up or kill someone in a fit of rage), Homelander will likely try to punch his way out of a bad situation but it's not the same as knowing how to actually deal with a problem. He has the ability to not give a sh*t because there are always other people there to clean up his mess but when those people are gone he will have to do that himself and he does not have the skills, temper or know-how to do that effectively.
He's been running on this anti-vought anti-establishment PC campaign that excited his fanatics but once that opposition is swept away he'll have nothing of substance to argue on
Well put 👏
maybe that's why Edgar is so calm.
bc he knows exactly how this situation will play out.
he wants to be in the military pharmaceutical business. can't do that with Vought.
my guess is that Edgar will surrender everything to homelander finance wise. start up his own company that delves in the business he desires and then eventually absorbs Vought when it needs the cash. he's back in charge again.
I think it ties into what he said last season, how he doesnt have the privilege to freak out and throw a temper tantrum when things go wrong for multiple reasons. When the ship is about to crash into rocks he has to remain calm, composed, and handle it effectively. Homelander cant do that
@@furionmax7824 Ah, the Steve Jobs approach!
"I used to be intimidated by you!"
This is the sentence someone who is very much still intimidated would utter.
The funny thing to me is that Homelander never comes up with an actual comeback. He understands that everything he's saying is true so he's virtually left speechless whenever Edgar insults him, and when he DOESN'T think it's true he's STILL SILENT because of his ego/insecurity is so big- & he's so incredibly pissed off that he can't think of anything to say except things that would make him look even worse.
Yeah that's what i always said to my friend: Homelander is not stupid, he's scary not only of being a living God, but also he's smart.
He could laser him, or make his drink bubble ....which means, he really didnt want Edgar to mea culpa , but Stan wouldnt. And that really frustrates him.
There are only two people Homelander has ever dealt with whom he can't intimidate. Billy Butcher at least hates him, so Homelander is still important to him. Stan sees nothing in Homelander worth feeling anything for, and Homeboy has no clue how to deal with someone like that.
@@danieldickson8591 I feel this is how Batman would address injustice Superman.
@@danieldickson8591 Homelander is used to intimidating people to get what he wants, but he can't intimidate Edgar. Even threatening him is sorta pointless since he'll never gain the satisfaction of 'beating' him.
This scene proved that Edgar also took Compound V but it only goes into his balls.
HAHAHAHHAHA!! nice.
Seriously, though, maybe he took Compound V, and has powers and we just don't know about it. Maybe he has a power like powerful influence for example. Just never revealed it. Would fit his character and explain why he is so relaxed around sups.
@@mitochondrium2648 he probably just looks at them like you would an anime figurine or some funko pops lol because that's exactly what the seven is: novelty items
Yeah that was nice
That would actually be a great twist if Edgar was a supe all along but was just so disciplined as to never use his powers, not until a life-or-death situation arose.
*Homelander has superpowers but Stan understands power...*
Stan Edgar has been dealing with powerful people literally since before Homelander was born.
Homelander : You- You're pathetic.
Edgar : Didn't ask + ratio + a bad product speaking lol.
Homelander : 😭😭😭
I feel like he framed himself on purpose to get himself out of Vought but to have Homelander ruin their name
Exactly homelander is done for real
He did say that he intended to have nothing to do with the superhero business in 5 years
Also would be a great plan. Let Homelander ruin Vaught, to the point they beg Stan to come back.
@@Dr-Pepper15 Looks like he decided to speed up the process after seeing Homelander becoming unhinged.
I wouldn’t be surprised. He probably saw the writing on the wall and knew Homelander would escalate and wanted to GTFO when the getting was still good.
Everything about Homelander, every twitch, every bit of body-language, screams mean little boy.
Mean, needy, insecure little boy. He never really left that armored room he was raised alone in.
It does make sense of him being a spoilt brat he could never be disciplined or told no as a kid as those who would most likely be killed by homelander so he would always get his way but as an adult he knows that the things he wants he needs others to do so he can't just kill anyone who stands in his was
I love how Edgar was barely acknowledging Homelander when he’s going off about his leave of absence lol. Stan is totally right, Homelander wants his attention and you can see it gets to him when Stan isn’t even looking at him 😂 it’s only once he brings up Victoria Edgar answers him
Bingo. He's absolutely bored with Homelander, barely even giving him the time of day. It's adding insult to injury when he talks about Vicky with pride
@@ThoseHorrorPalsNJ You're right to Edgar Homelander is just in his way. He's dealt with one before
"You're Simply Bad Product" What a zinger. Edgar still knows how to dish it out to Homelander.
one of he hardest insults
Homelander getting a dose of reality, he gets so lost in his ego until he’s reminded where he comes from and why he exists.
I think both actors play their role incredibly well.
This is the second time Homelander thought he did a great thing and tried to rub it in Edgar's face, only for Edgar to calmly explain him his triumph doesn't means shit and what a moron he is for believing it is a win.
@@korawitbuttramee618 yeah he loves being chaotic because he’s physically untouchable... emotionally he is someone else.
I love how Edgar took it like a champ. No mental breakdown, no crying, no blaming the others. Instead, he keeps it cool. He always has many plans and he's even shutting Homelander down. He knows Homelander will be break someday and he's only counting the time. Right now, he will enjoy his retirement and waiting for Homelander to have his own downfall.
Homelander genuinely enjoys people who aren't afraid of him. They're so rare in his life (only Butcher and Edgar) that he seems to like speaking with them. They're the only people whom he shows actual respect for - he asks Butcher's permission to come into his home (as opposed to just entering Newman's home) and he lets Edgar openly insult him (compared to threatening to kill A Train for insulting him behind his back). Since Maeve also stood up to him, he seemed to speak to her more as an equal (even though he took her prisoner), and it'll be interesting to see how his dynamic with Starlight also changes.
I thought he was going to laser him right as he walked out the door. What's so childish about Homelander is that after all these years of working with Edgar he still thinks he can get a rise out of him or trigger some negative emotion. Stan Edgar didn't get to where he's at by losing his decorum.
Edgar pretty much replaces Stillwell from the comics as the unfeeling businessman Homelander hates but can't bring himself to kill. HL needs them to fear/respect/worship him, and the fact that he doesn't, HL can't kill him until he does
Homelander CAN'T kill him because if he does Stan still wins lmao it's amazing how he has all that power but it's literally brains over brawn. When Homelander loses his shit eventually, Stan is STILL going to be safe because Homelander CANNOT, at all cost of his ego, prove Stan right.
Homelander has vast physical power, but he's trying to match Stan Edgar on his playing field, the psychological level. Stan is by far his superior there.
If he kill or harm stan at all, then he lose forever, and his ego wont let that happen, and stan knew it
What I really love about this scene in the beginning is you can clearly see Homelander trying to find different ways to get under Stan’s skin. His facial expressions, the smugness and quick eye darts over to Stan after he finishes any of his cheap attempts to hurt him are so telling. But unlike Homelander, Stan doesn’t need his respect and isn’t scared of him. You could see in Homelander’s face right before he said “don’t blame Vicky” his expression dropped a little, because he could tell what he was saying still wasn’t bothering Stan in the slightest, so he had to go for the closest thing he had for a daughter. And even there, Stan instead was impressed rather than hurt by Victoria’s actions. Absolutely love the details in this scene and the show in general.
He’s making those expressions because he’s reading to see if Stan’s heart rate is beating fast which is a indication Stan is scared, but his heart is not beating fast is why homelanders makes those expressions of disappointment
@@The_once_future_king but Homelander doesn't need to see Stan to hear his heart rate. He couldn't see Stan's face at the beginning of this scene due to Stan facing away from him, yet he said his heart rate was 80/60. He was looking to see if his face gave anything away and also listening to his heart rate, but neither shifted, hence his smug expression dropping and he kept digging deeper to get to him.
Homelander is so transparent in his need to get some kind of rise out of Stan. He really is a like a child trash-talking on the playground. It's only reasonable for Stan to treat him like one, especially since Stan Edgar has been dealing with powerful people literally since before Homelander was born.
I can't tell if the shudder at 1:06 is either:
Homelander cracking a joke at how dark and poetic Edgar was with his statement and choice of words.
Or Anthony Starr shuddering at how chilling his fellow cast member delivered that line. I mean come on, it's Giancarlo insulting you with a scathingly straight face.
It’s Homelander basically just saying Ohh what a cold response that was, but the mocking tone implies he’s not hurt by the words at least that’s the impression he wants to give off. That’s just my 2 cents on it tho
He's definitely posturing.
He wants to appear unfazed by Edgar's comment there but the fact that he even reacted at all to it is why Stan won. Every single needling comment Homelander makes in this scene falls on deaf ears. Stan absolutely does not give a shit about Homelander or what he could do. Whereas Homelander truly is weighing his entire ego on Stan's view of him. He wants a reaction, he tries to play on Stan's level by fighting with words, and he still gets utterly decimated, because at the end of the day, he still cares, while Stan doesn't.
Wanted to look like it didn't bother him since he knows Edgar would talk that way so he brushed it off until he said he was bad product in general
“You are not a god… you are simply a bad product” Damn now that was DIABOLICAL 😈
It’s interesting, Edgar doesn’t have a breakdown over bad product like in the comic, which happened at the end of the series. I kind of appreciate Stan since he does have a point over how HL now has nobody to cover for him, except for Ashley, which obviously won’t last long. Despite this episode’s ending, there’s hope for HL being taken down. There’s still people out there who want his blood and still want to try to spill it.
I dont think this is supposed to be the end. There's no way they wouldn't use the panel with homelander outside his office for a scene, especially with the actors involved. I think Edgar will eventually return before the series ends and then we'll get a proper confrontation after he loses it and goes full dictatorship.
A major difference is that Edgar has been pretty explicit throughout S2 and S3 that Supes aren't the product; compound V and Temp V are. Edgar's wet dream would be to get rid of all the Supes and start selling Temp V to the government in bulk.
@@maliktp13 He means that it happened at the end of the comics
I really want to see James break down but the comic panel ain’t online I can’t find it
@@JoesephRobinetteBidenJr He doesn't really have a "breakdown" he simply loses but still keeps his professional demeanor, albeit in a more defeated manner. Even when Homelander confronts him in the end, as he berates Homelander, he just looks like he's empty inside.
Homelander in this scene really feel like a little boy trying to get compliments from his dad
1:27 - Basically confirms what you said.
Stan Edgar is one of those people that no matter what you try to do he’ll always be 50 moves ahead of you.
That's where he should have dropped them off the side of the building catched him and dropped him a dozen times
So Batman
"Play both sides" and the "respect" lines were key
He's going to work with the government to organize the takedown of home lander and Voght
Vic is still on his side because he does respect the hell out of her and she learned well from him.
He also knows home lander doesn't understand what respect really is not how us humans do at least.
Season 3 end will be a surprise for sure
I love how the easiest way to avoid homelander killing you is simply acting like you wouldn’t care if he did 😂
Actually, that would probably be the hardest way. With his senses Homelander can tell right away if you're only acting. Vicky tried that on him and he shut her down immediately. Stan Edgar really doesn't care, or at least he would accept the reality without regret. And that's a rare breed of man indeed.
Homelander just admitted he was intimidated by him,,,,, that’s a win for Edgar
If he cared for the win.
He knew Homelander was intimidated, he genuinely didn't care, he doesn't have the fear or love of Homelander that makes other people worship him
“You are not even pathetic you’re just nothing”
Yeah, imagine getting destroyed like that by “nothing”
This episode was called "The Wonderful 5 year Plan" yet we never heard anything about said plan. The one instance about it way earlier in the season when Edgar said he was planning on leaving behind superheroes as a business in 5 years. What happened in this episode? Edgar was thrown out Vaught cutting his ties with the superhero business. This wasn't Edgar being played and betrayed, this is the first step in his plan to make a company that doesn't need superheroes at all. He is on top of things and no one can see it.
Agreed. I could be wrong but I think he had Vic pretend to be against him while he pretended to be shocked while on camera in order to fool Homelander. After the company is fucked by Homelander with Ashley taking the blame as CEO, he'll come back like a knight in shining armour to restore the company back to glory. By the end of Homelanders coup, most of the permanent supes will be dead or retired which will remove all of the flawed product from Voughts lineup. Leaving only the Temp V and the multi-billion dollar military contracts as their new income source.
The title - glorious five year plan - is a reference to the comic's superhero team of soviet union heroes, called 'the glorious five year plan' and named after the shift of industrialization under Joseph Stalin. The title probably refers to how the Boys go to russia.
That said, I could see your theory being correct as said superhero team don't exist in the boys show, as far as we can tell, because the only member to appear is one of the inmates in the supe facility we saw in season 2.
Homelander's true weakness is people who do not fear him, it's almost like his kryptonite.
Maybe, but he absolutely loves Butcher's presence. Butcher and everything he does feeds his ego because everything Butcher does is to sabotage or hurt him and inherently it's all about him.
It's an inevitability but the sheer attention Butcher gives Homelander pleases him dearly even if he's the reason his son is away from him
His kryptonite is his reputation
I think Homelander understands that this is a game between him and Edgar, no one gets under his skin quiet like Gus does and to kill him would be to admit defeat, his ego would never recover because Edgar strength isn’t superpowers, it’s the power of his fearlessness. And to a narcissist like Homelander, stripping away that bravado is the only way he’ll feel satisfied with that win.
to quote Team Four Star
"why do you antagonize him like that? you know how easily he can kill you right?"
"At this point it's a game. if he gives in, i win. and he knows that."
Gus lmao
@@TheCreepyLantern TFS
@@TheCreepyLantern The first thing I thought of after this scene.
Gus!? Where's finger
Everyone is like "ooh Edger has a plan up his sleeve!"
His plan is to sit back and enjoy the show while Homelander drives Vought into the fucking ground. Lmao.
"When have you ever done anything remotely interesting or original? What have you thought of to do that the lowest speck of this pointless species couldn't, were they to be granted your level of power?"
Originally, that was one of Stillwell's quotes. Stan Edgar may not have said the exact words, but the sheer disrespectful tone of this dialogue remains the same. Whether a hero or a villain, Homelander sees himself as worthy of recognition, and without that recognition he's a nervous wreck.
I like how everywhere else homelander is intimidating, but whenever he gets near Stan he goes from a pitbull to a wheaten terrier
I feel like Edgar is stepping out of the way to avoid getting blamed for when this all goes to hell.
He can't be blamed for something if he was never even a part of it after all. I don't think Edgar even knows exactly what will happen. He just knows something WILL happen and left himself open to get pushed out so he looks totally innocent.
Edgar doesn't seem like the sort of person to let someone get one over on him. It's almost like he's leaving on his own terms. He's not upset at all. Like Homelander said he's just mildly musing as he looks out the window. Like nothing has even happened.
Heaviest objects in the universe:
Sun
Gravity
Black Hole
Stan Edgar's Balls
Stan Edgar wasn’t crying with tears of betrayal, he was crying with tears of joy
He wasn’t crying at all
Thing I hate about Homelander is not that he’s evil, but rather he’s just incompetent.
He's plenty evil too lol.
The dude pushed a little girl to her death, did nothing to save people from a crashing place, manipulates and disrespects everyone in the seven, killed a Super Hero just because they were deaf and was going to be introduced to the Seven, etc. He's so freaking evil that Lex Luther would crap out a brick castle out of fear.
@@robotx9285 the deaf superhero didn't die
Evil is defined as causing harm purely for harm's sake, and Homelander has done quite a bit of that.
@@ijionclifton9148 He did lmao do you really think he would let him live afterwards
If this is what losing looks like then Homelander f*d up badly. Stan the man is still standing strong.
In Homelander's eyes, he perceives himself as a God, but here stands a man, that by all physical standards is average at best and yet the shadow he casts over Homelander makes him feel insignificant. It is so satisfying to see Edgar putting Homelander in his place, but let's not forget the fact that Edgar is responsible for creating such a monster in the first place.
" you are simply a bad product" . Damn... Edgar roasted HL much more than his laser eyes could ever do.
Pretty sure Vicky is the counterpart to comic Stillwell's girlfriend in which Stan will use her to eventually shift any and all blame from Vought onto her.
I was thinking the same since episode 2
@@RubyKing1997 I know there an actualy direct counterpart to Vicky being Vic Newman but I feel like she's a combination of both characters
I'm pretty sure Vicky is the counterpart to Victor the Vice President AKA "Vic the VP". I think the show equivalent of James Stillwells girlfriend is Ashley
@@cruzl1182 Yeah maybe she ending go total crazy like the comics and blow her head for mistake or kill her daughter for mistake we know that she already kill her parents because of the instability of her powers
Pretty sure Ashley is gonna get all the blame.
Edgar and HomeLander have very Similar roles to Tywin Lannister and Joffrey Baratheon, they think in the same way as those characters.
The king is tired, see him to his chambers.
@@Marcel-gt4tp yeah this scene and that one are very reminiscent of each other, like Joffrey homelander believes he holds all the cards and like Tywin Edgar is like “ We ain’t even playing the same game get back to me when your on my level
LMAO you're right.
Now I feel that vibe.
2:10 you can pause to the exact moment where his self respect and all personal worth is shattered
Giancarlo Esposito is excellent at portraying these meticulous, powerful, egoistic men. First with Gus and now we see him here with Stan Edgar. Great acting from him
I would add Moff Gideon to that list but I haven’t seen the show yet so idk what he acts like
The end was perfect. Homelander was holding that smile trying to convince himself that he's unfazed by what Edgar said. But deep down, he really really is fazed!
The absolute best part of their interactions is that Homelander is constantly reading Edgar's vitals and can tell that Edgar isn't afraid.
1:14 "You guys hearing this shit?"
Lmao, man Giancarlo is fucking phenomenal
What?
@@TehPesky The way Giancarlo looks at the camera seems like he is asking the audience "You guys hearing this shit?"
@@TehPesky It looks like hes looking at the camera.
I was sooo worried for Edgar in this scene, so much damn tension
Edgar had to know Vicky was going to stab him in the back, he definitely has something up his sleeve.
The way Edgar said “like I’m your daddy” got me 🥵
Two best actors fighting with acting skills
This scene has convinced me that Edgar definitely has a contingency plan for Homelander. No way you create something that evil and powerful without having a way to kill it in case it gets out of line.
Temporary compound V
Edgar talking to himself "I used to deal with heisenberg but now I deal with this shit”.
At 1:15 you can see the look on Edgar face just saying"bruh I got shit to do,imma go"
“you are not worthy of my respect”
Edgar Stan is definitely a sup.
His super power is making statements that deal crippling:
E M O T I O N A L D A M A G E!
Love how @ 0:24 Homelander tries to bait Edgar into reacting to him but when he sees that it doesnt work he gets annoyed an tries to talk about Victoria.
I like how Homelander looks like a kid seeking approval from Edgar. Anthony Starr is such a great actor
I know Edgar is a bad guy, but I freaking love him! He's just so unbothered by Homelander. When Homelander tries to intimidate Edgar or seeks a reaction out of him, Edgar just slices right through Homelander's indestructible skin with his words. His verbal insults are so good that I feel like I'm the one being burned.
I like how Edgar didn't respond to Homelander until he mentioned Neuman. It shows he does care for her in some sense and Edgar really gave no crap about Homelander
I love the display of power between the two. Homelander's powers can make him strong in the sense that he doesn't have to worry about being severely hurt or killed, but he's nothing without them. While Edgar has a different kind of strength that doesn't need power of any sort. It definitely comes in handy but he's a man of strong will, determination, confidence, and discipline. He literally stood up to a man who could tear him in half, and did so without showing weakness. He's not scared of being hurt or vulnerable because he's been through it, Homelander hasn't.
In the original comic Stan Edgar was white however the choice of casting Giancarlo was brilliant he has so much experience from breaking bad and BCS of being a ruthless business man that the choice was easy to make.
I am really glad they cast Giancarlo Esposito as Stan, the dude just owns every role he takes.
he is what Lex Luthor could be if he was more cold calculating and less ego. Lex Luthor would pretty much always win if he had the same calm disposition as Stan Edgar. Just as Homelander is like superman if superman had Lex Luthor's ego plus more parental issues
Funny enough the actor voices Lex Luthor in the Harley Quinn cartoon!
Pft.... The problem is that Superman isnt as Homelander so no... Lex couldnt handler him as Stan does with HomeL...
This actor can talk down to someone with such class and strength that it can make a God feel weak
Edgar's words hits harder after the finale when Homelander's daddy called him a disappoitment. As Edgar says he is.
Somehow it doesn't feel like Stan Edgar has lost a centimeter of control.... Feels like he's still pulling ALL of the strings and like everyone is merely his puppet.
Edgar isn't afraid of homelander because he knows even if homelander kills him , he won't get his respect or fear . Also , Edgar besides butcher are the only ones who aren't afraid of him . killing them won't make them respect him and there won't be anyone else to play with if he kills everybody , homelander would be completely alone if he did that .
so he leaves vought and start a humble fast food restaurant
Then he moves and starts his own chicken restaurant and calls it Los Pollos Hermanos
Dammit. Those words still cut my core, despite the fact that they weren't addressed to me.
Next season will be revealed that Stan Edgar also took V while growing up, it gave him the legs strong enough to walk while having galaxy sized balls
that last 8 seconds, i genuinely thought Homelander was gonna laser shoot Stan Edgar
I just got the 80 over 60 reference at the start. He's mention his blood pressure because homelander can sense that shit with his powers.
I like how homelander continues to look for a reaction to his petty insults when he first walks in the room. Truly shows how sad he is as a person
This hits even harder after finale
Stan Absolutely Right !!!!
Respect man, Respect 👏👏👏👏
1:06 Gotta love how homelander tries to laugh this off with no real comeback
I love that homelander seems his shit eating grin after he says something annoying, like a toddler after he’s done something wrong for attention, and Edgar just doesn’t care and it starts to annoy him as the scene goes on
pretty quiet for a full volume video on a full volume browser with a volume boosting extension.
audio, people; it's important.
This guy would absolutely kill as Lex Luthor. But even if that doesn’t happen, im glad he got to be Edgar
I think he already played lex in Harley Quinn 2019 😂
@@Hyperion4K oh shit you’re right lol
Stan’s plan has finally paid off, now to wait.
Exposito is the perfect actor to play the James Stillwell character. Cold and cunning. Never once intimidated by homelander because he knows exactly how is mind works. He knows homelander could end his life like it was nothing
I like that they still hold a torch to James Stillwell by personifying him through Stan Edgar. They even made the blood pressure reference like when Homelander is trying to intimidate him in the comics.
I love how he's trying so hard to get under his skin but Stan doesn't give two damns lmao
Looking for my approval like...I'm your..daddy
Every time Homelander's jaw begins to shift around you know he's become unnerved.
Actually a good strategy. Expose Homelander to sun light. Sooner or later Homelander is going to screw up and everyone will see him for what he really is and all Edgar has to do is walk away.
Also I do think Vought has an off button for supers, they just haven't used it yet. I don't think they would be stupid enough to give crazy people super god like powers without someway to shut it off.
factssss. They will use it when they absolutely have to.
Vought did in the comics (black noir) and I’m guessing vought will have something similar here as well
Yeaaaah for now no not when you killva person in front of the crowd and they cheer you own
When Mr. Edgar told homelander he’s not a god it reminded me from a scene in avengers where tony says “Everything special about you came out of a bottle”
One of the men Homelander even fears, he knows he can end his career with just a snap of his fingers and the fact that he has no fear of Homelander whatsoever is just fuckin boss
I simply don't understand how Edgar can say all that and just walk away easily with those gigantic balls.
Giancarlo Esposito reminds me a lot Charles Dance : they both plays now the same kind of cold blood, pragmatic and smart chess master. I would gladly see them acting together in a same movie to see a sharp dialog opposing both of their character.
0:32
He HATES that he can’t get a rise out of Edgar.
You know homelander is listening to edgars heart beat and he realizes that it isnt getting any faster
I love how words are the thing that cause Homelander the most damages