The Boys | 'You're My Greatest Failure'
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- čas přidán 9. 02. 2021
- Dr. Vogelbaum (John Doman) delivers some hard truth to Homelander (Antony Starr) about his past.
From Season 1 Episode 7 'The Self-Preservation Society' - Never trust a washed-up Supe -- the Boys learn this lesson the hard way. Meanwhile, Homelander digs into his past, Starlight discovers that love hurts, and if you're ever in Sandusky, Ohio and a girl asks if she can touch your gills, say NO.
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Vogelbaum calling him John is the equivalent of dumbledore calling voldemort Tom
Ain’t that the truth.
Or Han Solo calling Kylo “Ben”
Except the fact that Voglebaum is a Evil narc who needs punishment
You didn't capitalize the 1st D in Dumbledore's name
Wait wait, so who's Harry Potter in the Boys?
“You should have been raised in a home with a family who loved you. Not in a cold lab with doctors.”
That, right there, is the difference between Homelander and Superman.
Not true.
Yeah, actually, it is. The fact is Superman had a good upbringing and that made him a good person who wouldn't abuse his power.
@@shevthegreb757Clark Kent would be the first one to tell you he wouldn’t be Superman without Jonathan and Martha Kent.
@@tylerbushong3452 brother he isn’t real
@@SonicMegaKing This was disproven by Red Son. Superman, despite having no parents, did have humanity. Superman has humanity, and it doesn’t come from his parents, but from who he came from. Though it’s pretty inconsistent and often times it usually depends on what the writer wants to tell.
This is why the Kents were so important for Superman's character.
Homelander is what would happen if Kal El was taken in by the government instead of two loving adoptive parents.
It's happened before in the flashpoint paradox, the Kents had a popped tire, so they couldn't pick him up
@@teepstheartist1506 yet in the flashpoint version, he was still a kind, albeit socially undeveloped person
Clark would never have become what he is now without them, they are the best possible parents who tried to educate and protect him as best as possible, but also learn to use his abilities to good effect.
@@jugeas2786 In flashpoint paradox, Kent was detained by the government and the kent couple never found him. Yet, in the end he still kind.
@@signumxmagnumI love when he said Friend 2 Cyborg
"You are my greatest failure', "You are fu*king disapointment", "You're just a cheap fu*king knock off"... I feel sorry for John
and "you are simply bad product"
The world deserves whats coming to it homelander is a s teir character best in the show by far
@Bill Kennedy he wouldn't be if he wasn't raised and treated that way
@@dukecarraway1762 Yeah, he needs to be put out of his misery.
Any of u defending him in these comments are psychos
0:44 Homelander’s face right there is heartbreaking. He knows deep down inside that what he’s telling him is true
His acting is amazing. Holding back tears and acting strong, I know I can relate to that.
@@kaynkayn9870 Every single man on the planet can.
Doesnt matter how powerful you are. That words from your own father Will hurts you so much
Lol this aged well
Both of them too
3 different father figures, exact same insult
@@_pablo_dr_4546 of course , he's a disappointment
@@_pablo_dr_4546 3? It’s 2 father figures right?
It was Dr. Vogelbaum declaring Homelander as "bad product".
When even Homelander deserved a better and healthier upbringing.
Every child deserves a healthy and better upbringing. Sometimes its easy to forget that Homelander was once just a frightened child kept in a lab and surrounded by people who viewed him as a product, a thing, an experiment instead of anyone who actually cared.
I mean Homelander could have become a good person. With an actual family and the experience of love and acceptance. Vogelbaum is right, the reason Homelander is so evil is his fault.
We really do create our own monsters don’t we?
Every line of rejection and disappointment from the authority figures in his life are pushing him deeper into absolute insanity. This is a villain born of rejection and no love. He can't get the one thing he so desperately craves.
The problem is Homelander views and treats humans as nothing it's hard to give someone like that love
He refuses to change. People are disappointed in him because he is a hateful and violent person. He was a victim but as an adult he has the responsibility to change.
@@AB-zl4nh Even kids who were celebrities get screwed up lives because of the power and recognition. It messes with your head.
Homelander was given godlike power since he was a baby. No way in hell can he turn out normal or empathetic.
The thing is, if any of us are in his place, we wouldn't turn out very different.
One line spoken by the doc here is wrong and is most likely just an attempt from the writers to virtue signal for women. He mentions kids growing up violent and hateful without mothers, yet in reality kids raised in single mother homes, overwhelmingly seen in ghetto areas for instance - are the ones who become that. I don't think characters are as stupid as the lines they were given, it's just 2023.
@@kartikaymisra8133why wouldnt he? He was isolated from society by those same humans that robbed him of any love or care by experimenting on him since birth. It doesn’t justify any of his actions but he is a consequence of human ignorance.
0:40 is one of my favorite moments from the show. You can see homelander agrees and is near crying but it’s impossible for him to give this credit or forgiveness to the guy who did this to him. What an amazing show
I think it's also become his coping mechanism from his extensive media training and exposure. Using humor or blind positivity to cover up moments of pain.
Homelander knows he didn't turn out great, and how deep his problems run. But he feels powerless to better himself. Best he can do now is try to make Ryan better.
Let’s be honest. We’d all be just like Homelander if we were raised the same. Nobody would take the moral high ground
I would still expect no sympathy. If a dog's gone rabid the best you can do for it is to out it down.
perhaps not but he probably turned out worse than most would have
That's no true exactly. There are the exceptions, those that break the mold despite everything that's been done to them. But they're incredibly rare
hes so iconic, between this and caesar hes got an amazing voice
I knew i heard that voice from somewhere
Awe, true to... uh... Vogelbaum!
Caesar talking to the drug addled courier be like
He's also Captain Rawls in the Wire.
Caesar telling Homelander he's their greatest failure.
Homelander is lucky he wasn’t Joshua graha-
I mean the burned man.
I thought he sounded familiar! Thanks!
I like how glossy his eyes are, it’s like he’s on the brink of just breaking down.
Love that he is the only character that calls Homelander "John"
So did Maeve
He was smart enough to create Homelander but unwise enough to not think about how raising a godlike being without love would be dangerous
True to Caesar.
Ave
Ncr and proud
Ave
Ave
@@Saladass-kc1hh
🤮
That little break in Anthony’s voice is great acting
I think Homelander was the one who paralyzed Vogelbaum for lying about Becca and Ryan. I think the reason he let him live but murdered Stillwell was because he still saw Vogelbaum as his father despite hating him and with good reason.
I never thought of that! I think you might be onto something.
No crap dude
man homelander been through a lot all his father figures told him he was a failure vogelbaum,edgar and soldier boy
How is Edgar a father figure to Homelander? They’ve literally only met a couple times.
@@hellohi9230 you didn't pay attention
@@heresfrankbetches921 “I didn’t pay attention” how did I not pay attention? It seems people are forcing this dynamic between the 2 that doesn’t exist.
Edgar has shown nothing but contempt towards Homelander and I doubt Homelander is all that fond of Edgar considering how much he bruises his ego.
@@hellohi9230 Edgar is definitely a father figure for Homelander :
- Homelander has crippling daddy (and mommy) issues. Be it because they have confluctual interactions with their respective biological dads, because they are orphans or because their fathers died recently, people will project those issues on any man who "catches their fancy". Edgar is one of those men for he is (was) Homelander's boss, a ruthless figure he begrudgingly respected.
- Daddy issues are not about liking or not someone, it's about receiving their approval. Homelander wants (wanted) Edgar's approval, as noted by the man himself ("Then why are you still here, looking for my approval like I'm your daddy").
- Homelander didn't kill Edgar or even injure him, even after all the insults he received from him. He killed people for far less than that. But here ? He's taking it because, yes, he indeed wanted any kind of approval from Edgar, even a tiny "You got me bitch".
So, no, I don't think people are forcing this dynamic. It was spelled out by the series itself.
@@tagrerte4701 a father figure is someone who is, ya know, *like an actual father to you.*
This is why I think people are projecting this dynamic onto them.
Yes, Homelander has parental issues, but, Homelander is also insanely insecure and wants to be validated by everyone, especially someone who he respects and deems as very important. That doesn’t automatically mean Edgar is *like a father to him,* that’s completely nonsensical.
"I'm just an old man thinking about his mistakes" I'm in my early thirties, I am way too young for this to be my reality and yet it is
If Homelander got pushed enough he would kill Edgar, Billy, Maeve or anyone else.
I don’t think Homelander would touch this guy
He literally putted him in a wheelchair
@@samueleandriolo4517 Yet Butcher got everything to him with just a look and words. No super powers, nothing
@@alonnie1919 he threatend to kill all his family, it wasn't just a look. And Homelander didn't want anything from him at that point. It was done only to hurt his "father"
He literally crippled him 💀
@@brandonm5130 when did he cripple him?
"When I raise subject without their mother they become violent, agressive , downright hateful"
I like how when he says he's the world's greatest superhero (1:45), he doesn't even believe it himself. Just repeating what he's supposed to believe to make himself feel not as bad
Imagine saying someone; you will always be a failure and a bad product/person because of the things I did to you when you were a baby/child
That's gotta hurt.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but my words got my legs broken
Don Quixote?
All this talk about how he should’ve received more compassion and nurturing growing up, only to then tell homelander he’s his worst failure and sour his quasi-father relationship even more.
This is a very underrated scene, and really cements Homelander’s character.
You want forgiveness?? Get religion.
Shut up
This seems like a quote
To which Vogelbaum immediately responded with "Gonna cry?" :))
@@gugisgug Spider-Man
Wrong universe
Caesar destroying Homelander like he destroyed a low charisma and intelligence Courier
All I hear is Caesar
Same, I guess what you first associate a voice with is what you'll always associate a voice with.
Caesar telling the Courier he's a failure (2281, Colourised)
This is such a brilliantly written and acted scene. Rewatching this waiting for the Gen V finale, and this stands out as one of their best scenes. You see the deep down trauma and breaks in the crack that made him who he is. The worst people here and the Supe’s weakness is humanity.
“You’re my greatest failure…”
*and then he gets lasered by homelander*
When I first saw this scene I was super interested in the German retrievers. There obviously german shepherds but he must of bred them with a retriever most likely a black retriever and bred out the looks of the retriever to keep it looking like a german shepherd
you want forgiveness? now?
Get religion
@@qeriendocambiar I wouldn't wanna fight me either!
@@rivertwygzbed543 i missed the part where thats my problem
@@qeriendocambiar okay really?
@@esbenorionpax8544 you should have thought of that earlier
While I understand that vogelbaum sees the homelander as his dark past and his mistakes regardless, he should not say that in front of him.
He is the best daddy.
Caesar if he embraced technology instead of tribalism
Homelander: I'm the world's greatest superhero.
Vogelbaum: You're my greatest failure.
Oh, you watched the clip too?
Homelander: So you’ve chosen amputation.
The best scene in the show
That's exactly what Soldier Boy said to my in the same way saying Homelanded is a disappointment
I genuinely think he is the most tragic character in the boys universe
just before the scene closed out I thought Homelander said wow but different to how he said it to Maeve but it was just the sound effect of the scene closing out but if it it wasn't that would have been awesome and added to Homelander's character
Even after all this time Caesor still has his dogs.
I recognise that actor (John Doman) from Gotham as Falcone
And Caesar from Fallout New Vegas
@@crazyaf12 What Fallout New Vegas? I never heard of that video game.
And Rawls from The Wire
@@batoptimus fallout new vegas is a fallout game set in Las Vegas Where you're a courier who woke up from getting shot in the head and your trying to find the guy who shot you and before you got shot you were delivering something called a platinum chip which your also looking for there are factions such as the NCR, Caesar's legion and whatever Mr house's faction was called. It's a pretty good game when you get the chance to play It
@@JohnTheMasterchief117 don’t give spoilers alright. I don’t play sort of games I don’t played
Hail caesar
"I destroyed your childhood because it was inevitable it be destroyed. It was hegelian dialectics... not personal animosity"
Ave, true to Caesar.
Old man calling him by his actual name hit a nerve to so bad he had to REMIND him 'i'm the worlds greatest superhero' which, since the dude playing homelander is SO good. YOu can see by the look on his face, he knows deep down, he's wrong.
Homelander can be the most powerful supe in the world, he was also the most hurt and backstabbed.
Meh...you can find people who expirienced much more miserable existanse and noone made'em a god after that
"it's called Hegelian dialectics, homelander"
Ave true to Vogelbaum
Broken child…
Broken soul…
We love you,John…❤
"And yet I turned out great"
Love the double meanings-he's basically throwing it in Vogelbaums face "yes, you should have had me raised with a family who loved me, but you didnt-so here we are. And it's all your fault"
What's incredible about the show and Homelander is that I Sympathize with him because we know his back story. He was treated and raised like a product. So him being heartless and uncaring is much more understandable
Doesn't justify any of his actions but it's weird Loving AND Hating a character so much
This scene is what makes Homelander such a compelling villain. It feels so real. His backstory. It all adds up, and it makes perfect sense how he became the monster that he is.
I dont think Homelander is truly evil. I think deep down, Homelander doesn't truly want to hurt other people. He only wants to protect himself and his fragile sense of identity.
Honestly, if they keep treating him as an experiment gone wrong, I can understand why Homelander is so problematic. That is, not only did they raise him as a lab rat, but then they even have the nerve to mistreat and insult him. As if he had become this way through his own fault and not also through their fault.
nah, theres people who grow up in messed up enviroments and turn out to be good people. the world shows you good and bad, and you end up making your choice. its still all on homelander. he can change if he so wishes.
If I had a nickle for each time a character played by John Doman brought about a cruel threat to the country guised as a savior, I'd have two nickles. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Why would Pope Alexander VI do this
It’s nothing personal just Hegelian Dialectic’s.
That shoo shoo got me 🤣
Bill Rawls wants his stats Homelander
The one scene I felt bad for homelander
I recognize that voice from anywhere, that's Ceaser!
Damn Rawls laying down the law
At this point it would be really satisfying if he decided to destroy the tower of the 7 and Vought.
Im surprised homelander lets him live. Vogelbaum is clearly afraid for his family later on when Butcher threatens them… and yet hes never worried about Homelander doing the same? I don’t buy it.
Homelander has a little appreciate to vogelbaum. He was like a father to him.
What episode?
William Rawls has to deal with a bigger and more psychotic jimmy mcnulty 😂
Caesar brutally spits on Homelander.
"You want forgiveness?"
"Go to church" 1:15
Ok Carmine Falcone
Ave
I always feel good with Villians and for real a think Homelander is the payment that world deserve, they all want a perfect super heroe, control everything and everyone, became a child in a lab rat and expect he dont turn twisty when he gets free, homelander has to much traumas and powerless inside him, he want feel he has all control of everyone because everyone has control of him since he born, even his birthday its a lie, so he is enjoy his Freedom, to me, he deserve it, until someone like The Boys stop him and also stop the monsters who creted it.
What?
@@johnoreilly4631Rafael is on the spectrum
Like owen said " animals raised in isolation aren't always the most functional . Him looking at Indy (1)
Both homelander were raised in labs and killed people or those close to them .both kill for sport and enjoy it. Both are viewed as assets .
That aint Vogelbaum, thats deupty police commissioner BILL RAWLS
Which episode is this ?
Ceaser doing side quests bro
omg caesar is that you?!
deputy rawls
I still wanna put Homelander to sleep . . .
Hahahaha ok so that’ll be the end the boys congratulations, he’s the main star no pun intended because his real last name is star if you didn’t know, but who knows maybe the writers will eventually kill him off in the last season
They'll do that when they want to kill the show to since he's the only reason the show got successful, props to MM, Frenchie and Kimiko tho
@@NimaMassoumi-ld5vwCalm down, your autism is making you act out.
Stan, Vogelbaum, Butcher, Soldier boy
these 4 all knew who homelander was deep down
a big crybaby
A traumatized person not a cry baby
A traumatized person AND a crybaby. He not getting over his trauma, he getting swallowed onto it@@blinded2329
A already stabbed, poisoned, drugged child
@@cesara.flores3207would you get over a trauma like that?
true but he is also an insecure abuse victim who just wants someone to love him
My greatest Failure result in a monster
HIS NAMES JOHN HIS NAMES JOHN HIS NAMES JOHN HIS
Ave, true to caesar
So did he die after saying that
Ave
True to Caesar
Homelander calling himself a god and having all this emphasis on disappointing paternal figures really stands out once you remember he was excessively taught christian values in the lab too. He calls himself god while scorching the world looking for a father.
caesar
I wonder why these Clips are on Sony.
They own this show
They don't
@@jacobunofficial1146 Yes they do! They just licensed it to Amazon.
Ep?
1x8
everyone on their way to comment emotional damage
Ave true to Caesar
Homelander: "Wow, that guy, he's something isn't he McNulty?"
McNulty: "Tell me about it!"
Which season and episode
E01 s07
homelander was never the villian he was the victim
But now he is a villan now
But he could have the chosen to redeem himself like Darth Vader and yet chose not to
Having a bad childhood is no excuse to be evil
First a victim and later a villain. The two terms aren't mutually exclusive.
He was once a victim, now he is the victimizer
So who gave birth to homelander? Artificial womb?
Maybe stormfront
@@oincrivelmarseloI doubt it. She would know if she had a son
I literally can’t stop hearing Caesar
True to Caesar
Ave, true to Caesar