Dialogue Dive: How Stan Edgar Became Homelander's Daddy

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  • @product2759
    @product2759 Před 5 měsíci +640

    "You are simply bad product." One of the coldest lines I've ever heard in a series.

    • @jasonmomoa5124
      @jasonmomoa5124 Před 5 měsíci +35

      during that line, he wasn't Stan, but Gus

    • @AugustCrossroads
      @AugustCrossroads Před 5 měsíci +36

      @@jasonmomoa5124 No, he's mf'in Giancarlo Giuseppe Alessandro Esposito

    • @jasonmomoa5124
      @jasonmomoa5124 Před 5 měsíci +16

      @@AugustCrossroads no. he is Gustavo Fring, an upstanding businessman and owner of the local restaurant chain the Los Pollos Hermanos

    • @masamune2984
      @masamune2984 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ⁠@@jasonmomoa5124 No, he’s James Stillwell, from The Boys comics. Colder than Gus EVER was lol.

    • @rev0lve638
      @rev0lve638 Před 5 měsíci +6

      @@masamune2984the comic is cringe

  • @SirRebrl
    @SirRebrl Před 5 měsíci +459

    When Homelander barges in to Stan's office the first time, he unwittingly establishes the power dynamic practically immediately - he freely admits that he is not _acting_ but rather _reacting._ He's there _because_ Stan doesn't visit him. He's not there for any forward purpose of his own. He's admitting that Stan can make him show up just by being distant.
    Also, on the point of not killing Stan, Homelander knows that Stan's power is in his character (like you covered). He knows that Stan is more powerful in that regard, and Homelander is inferior. That doesn't _per se_ stop Homelander from just killing him, but killing him would not change anything.
    If he does not break Stan's character before he kills him, he will spend _the rest of his life_ never able to let go of the fact that _he lost._ Killing Stan would be tantamount to admitting he could never win against him.

    • @johans3164
      @johans3164 Před 5 měsíci +55

      Seriously. There are people whining about how Homelander should do the "alpha" move and kill him but that wont do sh*t because Stan does not fear Homelander at the slightest. Why should he? If Homelander kill him, Stan will be proven correct that Homelander is just a whiny man baby and a bad product. Homelander need to establish dominance and he cant do that with Stan, even with death threats

    • @PositiveOnly-dm3rx
      @PositiveOnly-dm3rx Před 5 měsíci +2

      I feel like you haven't seen the show... homelander is a child that never grew up. That's his whole character. Hence the mommy issues. Hes a metal child with the power of a God. Thats why he's scary. He's always had enough physical power that nobody challenges him, and if they do, he impulsively kills them on a whim before thinking about it. Preventing anyone else from trying to reason with him. Therefore he has no direction in his life. He doesn't have complex thoughts like you are attributing to him. He didn't kill him, because he was confused, and not angry. That's literally the only reason. As soon as he makes homelander angry, he's dead before homelander even realizes what he's doing. Sure homelander might regret it afterwards, but he's impulsive and controlled by his anger and ego.

    • @PositiveOnly-dm3rx
      @PositiveOnly-dm3rx Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@johans3164if stan isn't afraid of homelander, then he's insane... and will soon die. There's nothing alpha about not being able to control your emotions. If he angers homelander, he's dead.

    • @SirRebrl
      @SirRebrl Před 5 měsíci +20

      @@PositiveOnly-dm3rx Sure, bruh. Stan's never made Homelander angry, never ever, and Homelander has never once refrained from killing someone who made him angry because some other emotional need was more pressing.
      Homelander is a developmentally stunted man-child, but he's not stupid enough to not be angered by Stan. But he's more frustrated by Stan's cool refusal to be intimidated. Children are very able to be aware of means of power and control beyond direct physical domination, and to seek them, and man-children are as able in that regard.

    • @SirRebrl
      @SirRebrl Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@theforbiddenone7173 That's gonna need paragraph breaks before I can read it, but just off the top, the androids in DBZ aren't Homelander. Different characters have different concerns and motivations for their actions.

  • @LaneMaxfield
    @LaneMaxfield Před 5 měsíci +615

    I love how the progression of these scenes demonstrates the power of subtle agency. Too often people hear "interesting characters have agency" and then proceed to write bland power fantasies. Characters like Stan Edgar illustrate how internal control can be just as impactful on a narrative as more obvious, external sources of power.

    • @chrisquinn3377
      @chrisquinn3377 Před 5 měsíci +11

      Legal authority is hard to overcome no matter how powerful you are

    • @PositiveOnly-dm3rx
      @PositiveOnly-dm3rx Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@chrisquinn3377😂😂😂 cuz homelander cares about the law, right?

    • @chrisquinn3377
      @chrisquinn3377 Před 5 měsíci +9

      @@PositiveOnly-dm3rx he cares or at least did care about public perception

    • @ursidae97
      @ursidae97 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@PositiveOnly-dm3rxno but the law cares about him.

    • @neprhicarrot9283
      @neprhicarrot9283 Před 4 měsíci +11

      He has REAL power, which is a really great subversion from the stereotypical depiction of people seated in power. He is no stereotype, he is practically untouchable not by his physical prowess but by his position and role in the narrative world

  • @margarethmichelina5146
    @margarethmichelina5146 Před 5 měsíci +40

    When Stan got humiliated by Neuman and has to resign as CEO of Vought, he didn't fight back, have a mental breakdown, blame somebody else. He just took it like a champ. Even his last conversation with Homelander showed that this man just doesn't care, he knows who Homelander is, a child who's trapped in adult body, a child who doesn't like to be defeated and wants to be on top. He knows one day Homelander will totally losing his insanity and he will be like a ticking time bomb who will explode one day. Right now, Homelander is on top, take control of Vought, even has a lot of fans who likes his action, has his son, Ryan on his side and he feels untounchable. Stan is enjoying his retirement and just waiting for Homelander to get crash and burn one day.

    • @ursidae97
      @ursidae97 Před 4 měsíci +9

      Right. He knows who he is, he's proud of the work he's done, and he knows that if homelander seeks to destroy everything he's built then all he's destroying is his own damn home. Homelander is destroying his own nose to spite his own face, and Edgar doesn't need to give a fuck.

    • @rune4731
      @rune4731 Před 14 dny

      Stan is the perfect example of being confident. State of assurance, self-belief, and trust in one's abilities, qualities, and judgment. I have never seen a character in any sci-fi film as realistic as 'The Boys' to our real world that has a Stan character. And bonus, what makes Homelander so pissed off is; he can tell if someone is lying. Edgar shows no emotions right in front of me. Literally none at all. He's not a psychopath either, he's just the peak of what a confident person is like. Ed is only a bad person cause he took interest in making compound V and experimenting on people.
      Ed sees Homelander as nothing more than a lego toy he fvkced up to made. Ed is rich, he can buy another lego. Ed has the control of compound v, he can make another homelander.
      its so funny that homelander tried to imitate what Ed do and not even a year he already fvqked up.

  • @fissilewhistle
    @fissilewhistle Před 5 měsíci +167

    I love the moment where Homelander tries to threaten Stan, who just simply stares at him indifferently for a few seconds.

  • @Tyrantofthewind
    @Tyrantofthewind Před 5 měsíci +186

    Their dynamic is interesting in Stan isn't even trying to play "the dad" he is simply in that position as a result of Homelander's "creation". Homelander can never get what he wants from Stan because it is not in his nature to act in the way that might actually get the approval of his "father". Stan tells him he is disappointed in him, Homelander counters with threats, and Stan already knew that is exactly what he would do. Stan is simply bored by Homelander, and Homelander knows that boredom and disappointment is 100% real.
    Homelander can't kill him because deep down he wants his approval. He wants to prove not just to Stan, but to himself that his "father" was wrong about him.

  • @kevlonk
    @kevlonk Před 5 měsíci +312

    A few other things:
    1. When Homelander says "You never come up to see us," he seems to be alluding now only to their respective floors but also their places in the hierarchy-- that for Homelander, coming to see Stan in person is actually a literal and figurative step down for him. It is a thinly veiled barb that sets the tone for the conversation (ie Homelander feeling slighted by someone whom he believes to be beneath him)
    2. You mentioned how a dialogue like this is a window into characterization. I submit that through this first exchange, we get to see two sides to Stan Edgar: the cheerful, communicative public face, the CEO who is cooperative, diplomatic...and then the real, ruthless Stan once he drops the act. You can sort of see why the showrunners cast Giancarlo Esposito as Stan, as it's the exact same kind of "villain putting on an act" we saw him do really well with Gus Fring in Breaking Bad.
    3. SO MUCH OF THIS IS BASED ON BODY LANGUAGE. Homelander comes in with full of confident, dominant swagger, strutting around the office like he owns it and even putting his feet up...and this is all met with impassive, indifferent immobility from Stan...and then it's Stan who becomes mobile and confident, walking around the office demonstratively, as he takes control of the conversation, while Homelander's body language becomes more tense, uncomfortable, and then angry. Facial expression also plays a huge part-- how Homelander starts smiling (practically sneering), then it melts into an uncomfortable half-smile, before it disappears as anger takes over; while Stan is at first cheerful and smiling, then utterly stone-faced and impassive. This is not something easily shown in a novel or a script, but it is incredibly important to this scene

    • @AugustCrossroads
      @AugustCrossroads Před 5 měsíci +8

      I call that acting

    • @LaneMaxfield
      @LaneMaxfield Před 5 měsíci +15

      Absolutely! The dialogue is well written, but the perfect casting and the chemistry between the actors elevate the dynamic to a level of genius.

  • @slimchelmi6940
    @slimchelmi6940 Před 5 měsíci +73

    "once he sees you as weak, it's over, hewill kill you" might explain why he never tries to kill Butcher too
    he is also "just a guy" but he is not intimidated by Homelander, thus Homelander doesn't know if he could actually do it

  • @eg_manifest510
    @eg_manifest510 Před 5 měsíci +269

    25:23 I love the way Edgar looks at him like "used to?" cause he knows Homelander is just as scared as he was any other time. It's like getting scolded by a teacher, realistically the teacher can't make you do anything, but your child brain compels you to follow their commands. Homelander is just an arrogant schoolchild, and Edgar is the strict teacher who can't slap him with that ruler but carries it anyway to make a point, and it works to perfection

    • @kutloanodlamini4153
      @kutloanodlamini4153 Před 5 měsíci +3

      That's it... that's their dynamic but I prefer the parent and child analogy

    • @forickgrimaldus8301
      @forickgrimaldus8301 Před 4 měsíci

      Less a just a Teacher and more like the Principle compared to Homelander really

    • @fiend4913
      @fiend4913 Před 4 měsíci +1

      yeah , my rewatch really highlighted how childish homelander actually is

  • @jonasquinn7977
    @jonasquinn7977 Před 5 měsíci +79

    I am still convinced that things are still going at least partially according to Edgar’s plan.
    He claimed he had a plan to be out of the Supe business in five years, Homelander taking over and ruining both his reputation and that of Supes in general is a sure fire way to do that. Allowing Edgar to take center stage again as one of the few Vought executives untainted by association with Homelander.

  • @EmpressJusticeTarot
    @EmpressJusticeTarot Před 5 měsíci +34

    My favourite thing about Stan Edgar in his first scene is that in his supposed "fawning" of Homelander, he wasn't doing it for the same reason everyone else did it - that was him trying to give HOMELANDER an out, a warning shot before he had to shut him down.

  • @vandalg282
    @vandalg282 Před 5 měsíci +32

    Love the follow up Homelander still, even when he's "won", checking up on Stan's heartbeat...still steady as always. He can't believe he's that calm and in control, in the face of oblivion. It confirms that he has always been the immovable object, to Homelanders frantic slinky of a persona. Stan is stone, not because he "acts" like it, because he truly is a man who has seen and heard everything coming.
    Stan is entropy, and no one knows it yet.

  • @cammykins5813
    @cammykins5813 Před 5 měsíci +10

    One of the big things here is embodied in the quote: the opposite of love(or hatred) is indifference. Stan uses his lack of passion to mock and counter Homelander’s dependence on it.

  • @leafjonin7
    @leafjonin7 Před 5 měsíci +25

    The dynamic is set by the secretary who apologizes to Stan for Homeland barging in. Normally it's high alert and panic instead there was a sense Stan is deserving of more respect than the fear of Homelender

  • @wintersakiller
    @wintersakiller Před 4 měsíci +10

    My favorite line from Stan, “it’s your party, you can cry if you want to.”

  • @Maerahn
    @Maerahn Před 4 měsíci +9

    My God... you're right! We've literally NEVER seen Homelander out of his superhero costume, even though we HAVE seen every single one of the other supes in their 'civvies' at some point! I never even noticed that before you mentioned it - at least, not consciously. But yeah, that is an incredibly subtle but incredibly powerful bit of characterisation on the part of the writers. I have nothing but the deepest respect and admiration for this show's writers - they knocked it completely out of the park. It's a beacon of hope - in a world where 'The Rings of Power' and 'The Witcher: Blood Origin exists' - that not everything commissioned by big-bucks companies is going to be abjectly terrible with narcissistic showrunners and writers.

  • @S1lva139
    @S1lva139 Před 5 měsíci +21

    Some thing else that i noticed right at the start is how Edgar "made" Homelander come to him instead of going to him. singnaling that he has better things to do and has higher priorites than talk with Homlander.

  • @thewhitewolf58
    @thewhitewolf58 Před 5 měsíci +43

    Stan edgar is one of the bravest people in the show. He had no powers and knowing told one of the most powerful and emotionally immature superheros that they are nothing to him. Knowing that if it backfired homelander could have killed him in 1000 different ways without any effort.

    • @darienford860
      @darienford860 Před 5 měsíci +3

      That's exactly what happened in the comics

    • @tungsten8332
      @tungsten8332 Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@darienford860The character Stan Edgar is to represent outlives Homelander though

  • @manamaster6
    @manamaster6 Před 5 měsíci +14

    How Homelander and Edgar express power feels as different as how Kylo Ren exerts power vs how Darth Vader demonstrates his throughout the movies.
    One is a guy with superpowers and terrible self-control, while the other doesn't need those superpowers to actually have power.

    • @forickgrimaldus8301
      @forickgrimaldus8301 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Like Tywin said "a Real King doesn't have to remind people he is King"
      In the Medieval World Monorchs weren't always all Powerful, the King or Emperor may have the Biggest Armies and Nobles may Sware Fealty to them But the Nobility Themselves Can Influence The Monarch to the Point Nobility can Oust the Monarch, as in A King who is Really in Charge, Dosen't Have to Remind you of That Power he Simply Can Exert it on His Nobles.

  • @elenadirectorofmiiss7942
    @elenadirectorofmiiss7942 Před 5 měsíci +24

    Another good example from the Avatar series as a counterpoint to Azula was Zaheer from Legend of Korra season 3… after his defeat in the show, he is just defeated, not broken or beaten.

  • @bilalzubairy6889
    @bilalzubairy6889 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Stan looks at homelanders antics as literally a child screaming and crying "love me daddy please love me" N Stan doesn't even like homelander that much so he just sees homelander as pathetic and straight up pities him. When u look at it that way, even if homelander can go into space it just starts to look really sad...

  • @robadob55
    @robadob55 Před 5 měsíci +48

    Tywin, Stan Edgar, Gus Fring, just some wildly well written and interesting characters

    • @margarethmichelina5146
      @margarethmichelina5146 Před 5 měsíci +5

      And coincidentally, Stan and Gus are played by the same guy

    • @eternalmonkegames1859
      @eternalmonkegames1859 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@margarethmichelina5146 He can definitely play a great Tywin if given the role.

  • @alexdinu589
    @alexdinu589 Před 5 měsíci +33

    I loved how stan in just by saying: like Im your daddy completely dominated and humiliated homelander; he told him he isn't vought or a god he is just a child with laser eyes, and he makes sure homelander is aware of this, homelander hears stans heart beat and knows he isn't scared of him and I'm sure he used the same tactic on solider boy; maybe if he met him he would've said something like: Like father like son 2 weaklings begging for validation; both pathetic; the only thing I could feel for either of you is disgust; now kill me or get out of here!"
    I would've loved however when maeve asks homelander "what did you do?!?" homelander to answer: "scorged the earth"

    • @thesauce179
      @thesauce179 Před 5 měsíci +8

      "Daddy" and "dominated" really don't need to be so close together in a CZcams comments section

    • @AugustCrossroads
      @AugustCrossroads Před 5 měsíci +4

      Stan is the power bottom

  • @Golnax
    @Golnax Před 5 měsíci +76

    So I wanted to point out that the power dynamic is actually established even earlier in the conversation than what you pointed out during their first interaction - in fact, it's right at the beginning!
    Homelander barges into the office and Edgar allow sit, partially because there's no way he can really stop Homelander from being there physically but also as a display of his power that he isn't threatened by his sudden presence - but the smoking gun that gives away the power dynamic early on is the line from Homelander "Well you never come up to 99".
    This line does a whole lot of work with very little. It establishes that the floor where Homelander and the other Supes operates on is higher up in the building, which typically correlates to more importance within a business, and initially seems to give Homelander the edge of superiority, that he can just show up whenever he pleases.
    But the truth is that Edgar is the one displaying his power here! By not going up to the 99th floor, he's demonstrating through inaction that the Supes - even Homelander - are beneath his interest. By actively ignoring Homelander since taking over, he has forced, through his inaction, Homelander to come to him instead of the other way around.
    This is such a subtle yet powerful piece of dialogue that really displays their entire dynamic from the get go. A really masterfully written piece of the show, I must say!

    • @technicaldeathmetalhead
      @technicaldeathmetalhead Před 5 měsíci +2

      Nice catch

    • @3numa3llis
      @3numa3llis Před 5 měsíci +2

      I just see the fact that Homelander have to come to Edgar as the power dynamic from the beginning, which is a very typical cliche you see in a lot of films, a worker coming to their boss or a dog to their owner.
      However, it lessens the impact somewhat since Homelander was always eager to initiate interactions from the beginning, and I know for sure that the way the scene was slower than some of his other appearances that Homelander would not leave the conversation satisfied. The filmakers like to build quick tension by having Homelander appearances very sudden and disrupt, but when he comes, even sometimes with ominous music.
      We don't see that with Stan, just a very monotonous opening to their first meeting. While some might say that fits the theme of the scene, I think it gives too much that this won't be a scene where Homelander comes out happy.

  • @TheArtofKAS
    @TheArtofKAS Před 5 měsíci +55

    I'm a simple man, I see Stan Edgar and I click.
    I remember one of the other videos from back in 2020 about him as well. He's probably one of the most domineering characters in the entire show simply because of his own self control. I think the entire season 2 finale of the boys helps push that point across especially with how homelander ended up acting going into season 3

  • @KombatW0mbat
    @KombatW0mbat Před 5 měsíci +4

    One of my favorite things was about their first interaction is it seems Stan is scared hence the respect then you realize Stan is being utterly sarcastic he doesn’t care

    • @ursidae97
      @ursidae97 Před 4 měsíci +3

      The way he drains his face of all emotion. It's not an act, he just actually doesn't care. Homelander mearly adopted sociopathy. Edgar was born in it, shaped by it.

  • @TickleMeSenpai
    @TickleMeSenpai Před 5 měsíci +24

    I was so convinced that Homelander would rip Stan’s head off, but I knew at the same time that he wouldn’t

    • @ClaSSik108
      @ClaSSik108 Před 5 měsíci +18

      He needs Stan to respect him too much.

    • @11FBA11
      @11FBA11 Před 5 měsíci +12

      thats the thing about homelander. He is insecure, and immature, but he is not dumb. He can tell when he is being lied to, or when someone fears him. When he reads Edgars heart rate, he knows Edgar isn't putting up a brave front. Stan Edgar genuinely does not fear homelander or respect him. Its not something he can fake. Homelander is a bully and only respects strength, so he had to respect that.

  • @ShadowProject01
    @ShadowProject01 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Tywin Lannister had the same kind of commanding presence and has a lot of the same dominating traits as Stan

  • @zaxbitterzen2178
    @zaxbitterzen2178 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Stan in many ways embodies the people who helped shape Homelander into the monster he became. Homelander spent most of his life deprived of basic familial love or attention so the fact that Stan can scold him the way he does is unlike everyone else in his life. Stan absolutely hates that the Government and Vought keep dumping money into superheroes.

  • @combatwombat2134
    @combatwombat2134 Před 5 měsíci +25

    I love how good actors bounce off one another.

  • @juniorjunior5884
    @juniorjunior5884 Před 4 měsíci +4

    To summarize.
    "Why do you antagonize him like that? You know he can kill you, right?"
    *"At this point, it's a game. If he gives in, I win. And he knows that."*

  • @danielhadley2481
    @danielhadley2481 Před 5 měsíci +8

    In the starlight/Edgar scene, the subtle nuance of the lighting making it look like a potential nip slip, on a costume change starlight didn't want but the world was bent to Voughts will instead perfectly reinforces Stans point.

  • @yura2258
    @yura2258 Před 5 měsíci +8

    "What makes a character powerful if absent makes them week"
    It looks soooo obvious but i neded to hear it in a sentence to actually become aware of it.

  • @TheAlanRaptor
    @TheAlanRaptor Před 5 měsíci +25

    I don't believe Edgar has been stripped of his power. I think he maintains his demeanor because all he has to do is wait it out in a bunker. Homelander could kill him publicly or privately but does neither. I think Edgar is counting on that and knows that Homelander's proverbial head will explode as it gets bigger and bigger with every ego inflation he gets.

    • @justinokraski3796
      @justinokraski3796 Před 5 měsíci +4

      Yeah Homelander effectively considers Edgar to have been neutralized at this point and won’t bother with him, except maybe to get his approval

    • @TheAlanRaptor
      @TheAlanRaptor Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@justinokraski3796 Yeah, he's too hard on the offensive. Edgar will outlast him by just not fighting.

    • @OlgaZuccati
      @OlgaZuccati Před 3 měsíci +1

      in his last convo Edgar tells Homelander to his own face that given enough time, everyone will want him dead. And to be honest... the guy's just right.

  • @newperve
    @newperve Před 5 měsíci +7

    There is a hint of foreshadowing that the power dynamic isn't in Homelander's favor.
    "Well you never come up to 99."
    Stand Edgar doesn't come to see the superheroes, in particular HL. If he really had the power he thinks he has why is Stan ignoring him. If he's the King why is he coming to Stan, rather than summoning him?

    • @forickgrimaldus8301
      @forickgrimaldus8301 Před 4 měsíci +1

      The thing is in Feudalism the King may have the Biggest Armies but he can't just Beat everyone in his Kingdom, the Balance of Power is between the King and His Vassals,
      Weak Monarchs tend to use only Streingth and Provado alone to get his Nobles in line or are so Insecure the Nobles Openly Rebelled but the Wise Monarch knows how to gain that power using his Nobles and is secure in his judgement. (Or in short in order to Win the Game of Thrones you must respect the other people that Play the Game)

  • @antonakesson
    @antonakesson Před 5 měsíci +19

    I mean... of coarse Edgar holds the position of power in the scenes he's in. He is played by Giancarlo Esposito after all. The man that could upgrade his role from one-and-done low side character to main antagonist with just the way he said his lines and bodily acted.

  • @darienford860
    @darienford860 Před 5 měsíci +8

    I recommend people read the comics. He was never fazed by Homelander even when he approached him with an army of other supes, he told Homelander to quiet down from waking up his baby. Thats how little James Stillwell took Homelander seriously

  • @nova7931
    @nova7931 Před 5 měsíci +6

    I like how the perfect example of how characters like Stan take losing everything is a guy who is played by the same person just shows you how good the actor is at playing this type of characters

  • @a6two
    @a6two Před 4 měsíci +2

    The dialogue is great for sure. Giancarlo Esposito sells it so well.

  • @akaj2013
    @akaj2013 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Homelander. Stan Edgar. Savage Books.
    Lets. Fucking. Go.

  • @pao_banaag
    @pao_banaag Před 5 měsíci +4

    Giancarlo esposito may very well be the goat of stone face

  • @clayongunzelle9555
    @clayongunzelle9555 Před 5 měsíci +3

    After 2 minutes I started thinking about how cersi in game of thrones handled little finger in that one scene, the set was a little different but it's that same idea of knowing where true power lies and not just the idea of power

  • @aaronsoto1346
    @aaronsoto1346 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Tywin and Stan Edgar would be an epic showdown

    • @EmpressJusticeTarot
      @EmpressJusticeTarot Před 4 měsíci

      Edgar would win with ease. It's not even a contest. Lannister may have more self-control than Homelander, but at his core, Lannister is more of a soldier and hunter than a true strategist. His ferocity is what he characterises himself with. Edgar would pop a pin in that in seconds.

  • @Mr_Case_Time
    @Mr_Case_Time Před 5 měsíci +10

    One of the things I love most about this show is its consistency. It’s one of the few IP’s that I have total faith in.

  • @Mic-Mak
    @Mic-Mak Před 5 měsíci +15

    5:59 Stan Edgar was actually introduced in the penultimate episode of the first season when he offers Madelyn Stillwell his job. But your point is well taken. Excellent analysis. On a sidenote, I feel sorry for people who watched _Breaking Bad_ for the first time after _The Boys,_ because they immediately read Gus as badass when he is introduced, precisely because they've seen him in other similar roles. Not knowing who Giancarlo Esposito was when I watched _Breaking Bad_ made his performance as Gus that more compelling. That said, the reverse is also true. People who had seen _Breaking Bad_ before _The Boys_ instantly read him as badass the moment he was not introduced, and were not surprised that to find out later that he's not intimidated by Homelander.

    • @ultimamage3
      @ultimamage3 Před 5 měsíci +2

      So what you're saying is that a viewer should watch either show first, then erase their memory and watch the second show?

  • @callmev3531
    @callmev3531 Před 4 měsíci +2

    19:13, Beckett actually does break down when he realizes he’s lost all advantages in his fight against the alliance of pirates at Shipwreck Cove. His persistent smarmy and pompous demeanor dissolves the moment the Dutchman is revealed to be captured by Will and he can do is mutter deliriously before taking one last walk along the deck of his ship as it explodes.

  • @vexal3393
    @vexal3393 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This is cool as fuck, and I sometimes find moments between characters like this more entertaining then actual fights in shows😮

  • @Farron6
    @Farron6 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I can't wait till the ending where we see Homelander happy as a dairy farmer looking at a setting sun with his boy

  • @conormcginn3312
    @conormcginn3312 Před 5 měsíci +17

    I have been wondering ever since I found your channel if you were going to do a dialogue dive on this scene, because it stood out to me so well when I first watched it in terms of high quality dialogue. Excellent analysis! Thank you for picking this one up.

  • @AugustCrossroads
    @AugustCrossroads Před 5 měsíci +3

    THAT'S where the Ashley look at me came FROM??! wtaf

  • @6Kubik
    @6Kubik Před 5 měsíci +4

    The best way to control Homelander is to not be afraid of him. There are 5 person not afraid of him. Butcher, Ed, Ryan, Vogelbaum and Stormfront. And all of them hold either some power over him or are more save from his anger. He did not kill Edgar, no matter what he said. He repects Butcher to some extent, vogelbaum abused him his whole life and the worse thing homelander did was to put him in a wheelchair.
    Homelander actually like people who are not afraid of him, who are honest with him (he hates being lied too). Edgar is the most extreme and this drives homelander to him. But he also enjoys to dominate people. Homelanders whole personality revolves around submission and dominance. His life, his sexlife.

  • @JuanTonSoupXP
    @JuanTonSoupXP Před měsícem +2

    It took me 15 minutes to realize that was a microphone he was holding. I thought that shit was an audio interface the whole time 💀

  • @FaithOriginalisme
    @FaithOriginalisme Před 5 měsíci +5

    He's my favorite character in that whole show.. Stan Edgar is an amazing character

  • @masonpagano6687
    @masonpagano6687 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Glad to know that I’m not suffering from Homelander withdrawal alone

  • @patch888
    @patch888 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great great video! The thing that struck me listening to you talk is that there is so much base level psychology that applies to these themes that you see examples of in life as well. Might be a stretch but this is such a powerful message about one’s self-worth and intrinsic drive. Thank you

  • @jlegronde
    @jlegronde Před 5 měsíci +3

    This breakdown and analysis was excellent! A well spent 30 minutes!

  • @mysteryneophyte
    @mysteryneophyte Před 5 měsíci +8

    Well written characters and well written interactions between well-written characters seem to be few and far between anymore

  • @coachleif
    @coachleif Před 4 měsíci +1

    I had the exact same reaction to the Homelander scene at the end of Gen V.

  • @GrymsArchive
    @GrymsArchive Před 5 měsíci +2

    Fan theory: Stan Edgar is in fact a "supes" just with a different skill set.

  • @calebbridges4748
    @calebbridges4748 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Lord Beckett's death didn't strike me as Genuinely Calm. Sure the man was walking calmly through death. But I think that's more a frenzied acceptance. A "freeze" reaction to danger, effectively. He's not "calmly taking it in." He's dissociating in a panic attack. Those are different imo.
    Edit: also the panel quote towards the end says "Homelander can't against him." Not sure if that's able to be fixed or that it matters. Cheers mate!

  • @digitaldevil696
    @digitaldevil696 Před 5 měsíci +2

    "Ashley! Look. At. Me!"
    Leon S. Kennedy wants to know your location

  • @violetleporid
    @violetleporid Před 5 měsíci +8

    Another great analysis of some great dialogue. I haven't seen the spinoff yet but I happen to be rewatching The Boys rn so this is timed perfectly! These videos give me so many tools that I can use when I write my own dialogue 💕

  • @bryanxjames1215
    @bryanxjames1215 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Came here for the video.
    Stayed for the voice. Jesus

  • @qiwrquyetoqppqoteyuqrwiq556
    @qiwrquyetoqppqoteyuqrwiq556 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Homelander is neither worthy of working at Los Pollos Hermanos nor is he worthy of eating Pollos chicken.

  • @digitaldevil696
    @digitaldevil696 Před 5 měsíci +6

    A bit out of topic of the video, but what is hilarious to me, that homelander holds no real power not only in his world, but he's also so utterly pathetic that compared to other functional universes he's the least powerful version of "evil superman" trope. General Zod, or, say, Injustice Supes? Wrecks this nerd. Ultraman? Easily done. Red Son? No problem. Burn Bright? Can do. And don't even get me started on Omni - Man.

    • @ernie9538
      @ernie9538 Před 5 měsíci

      Metro man

    • @nielsjensen4185
      @nielsjensen4185 Před 5 měsíci +1

      That's because while he seems like the run-of-the-mill "Superman but evil" trope as that's how he's initially presented the actual archetype he inhabits is "Trump but with superpowers," and as he becomes increasingly more erratic he assumes that image more and more.

  • @HeatherHolt
    @HeatherHolt Před 5 měsíci +2

    Two wonderful actors in two wonderful roles.

  • @Serratiger
    @Serratiger Před 5 měsíci +8

    I love your dialogue dive series so much, it's always so interesting!!

  • @margaretwordnerd5210
    @margaretwordnerd5210 Před 5 měsíci +3

    1st time on this channel. Impressive! Your analysis of how to show power dynamics is brilliant, concise, and inspired many thoughts on improving power struggles in my novel. Subscribing now. Bonus, your voice is so rich and mellifluous that you could read a phone book beautifully.✌🖖

  • @777jimothy
    @777jimothy Před 9 dny

    This is excellent. Its funny I've seen the final scene many times but not noticed Homelanders little glances across for approval

  • @joshuahicks7798
    @joshuahicks7798 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This video deserves way more likes. Keep up the good work brother

  • @zero11010
    @zero11010 Před 5 měsíci +1

    First video I’ve seen from you. This was incredibly well done! The editing to support your points was very impactful! Thanks for the high quality content!

  • @suto5704
    @suto5704 Před 5 měsíci +3

    That's one hell of a title

  • @harvadog
    @harvadog Před 5 měsíci +2

    Great breakdown! I've only just discovered this channel. I'm looking forward to going through them all!

  • @Eldron2027
    @Eldron2027 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Your channel is a blessing

  • @joyamos29
    @joyamos29 Před 4 měsíci +1

    A fantastic video, truly. I've learned a lot, thank you.

  • @twixtwix2915
    @twixtwix2915 Před 5 měsíci +3

    1:46 basically a quote from 1984

  • @FlippieCocu
    @FlippieCocu Před 5 měsíci +2

    Very interesting analysis, thank you very much for the insight!

  • @Scarleto
    @Scarleto Před 5 měsíci +1

    This was fantastic

  • @Klespyrian
    @Klespyrian Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great breakdown, thanks

  • @ephraimliria29
    @ephraimliria29 Před 5 měsíci +1

    This is phenomenal

  • @sumo_mac7226
    @sumo_mac7226 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Damn, your videos are amazing!!!

  • @giftdotmsomi
    @giftdotmsomi Před 5 měsíci +1

    Amazing video !!!

  • @jonasquinn7977
    @jonasquinn7977 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Dude I was eating! Did you have to bring Timothy into it?

  • @justinharris2272
    @justinharris2272 Před 5 měsíci

    Man the algorithm is straight up robbing you my man, you deserve so many more views than you’ve been getting lately stay up my boi 🔥👑

  • @nyahnyah7486
    @nyahnyah7486 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great video …the agency is the key

  • @gabelluc9573
    @gabelluc9573 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I like the text boxes with your explanations but you might want to proofread them some more before you finalize the editing. Both in this video and the last one, there are typos and missing words in a few of those text boxes. Other than that, phenomenal analysis as always.

  • @BigMek667
    @BigMek667 Před 5 měsíci

    Why is this the first time I hear about that second channel? There's so much i've missed!

  • @roguedogx
    @roguedogx Před 4 měsíci +1

    3:30 and I would even say Stan is beyond that too. in the last scene between Homelander and Edgar; Homelander has taken everything from Edgar, meaning he should be completely powerless. however the conversation shows that Homelander still has no sway over Edgar. meaning I would argue it's not Edgars wealth that gives him his power (although that doesn't hurt) it's his ability to think tactically 10 steps ahead and his clarity of vison that gives him power.
    Homelander now has everything Edgar had, and yet I bet you he will lose all of it thanks to his many character flaws.

  • @chadjones1266
    @chadjones1266 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I can't remember the film:
    "I could kill you"
    "A guy with a gun could kill me. Fast food could kill me. "

  • @damilarewilliams6425
    @damilarewilliams6425 Před 3 měsíci

    Fuhrer king Bradley is another great example of a character whose power doesn’t come from power

  • @clayongunzelle9555
    @clayongunzelle9555 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Anybody who is familiar with dbz abridged knows why homelander won't kill stan😅😅😅 if he does then that's him admitting Stan won😅

  • @damilarewilliams6425
    @damilarewilliams6425 Před 3 měsíci

    I can’t believe this channel is free

  • @kevinlove4930
    @kevinlove4930 Před 4 dny

    great video essay how subed and gonnna benge watch your stuff

  • @b4n3c4t
    @b4n3c4t Před 5 měsíci

    17:55
    The veil of control slips, as he lets “supercool” slide out for all to hear.

  • @daredevil6145
    @daredevil6145 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I like to think Stan also have used V, otherwise no one... no matter how many balls they have, without superpower would be foolish enough to test Nuclear Bomb homelander again and again

  • @AlexFariaOliveira
    @AlexFariaOliveira Před 3 měsíci +1

    It's interesting to note how Homelander enjoy people that doesn't fear him.
    Butcher, I kinda feel he actually likes the guy in a way of "I know you can cause no damage to me but I kinda admire how you want to". Maybe an admiration of his braveness. Stan is another example but not in a hatred but in getting bored of his childlike manners.
    I'm truly curious to see Stan's game revelead! His last words hinted that he has a whole timeline of events in his head. I truly don't think he's defeated and I would not be surprised if he's actually letting Homelander take Vought in order to let him get it's stock low and in the verge of backrupcy and he shows up with a new set of investors that want to buy Vought and turning it in another company, like he said: His most valuable asset is compound V. Maybe that will be the plan, let Vought sink and take all the damage and having another company with clean sleeves sugest they can make things right. I really don't know if he'd take Homelander and other Sups with him, maybe that will be a way for him ditch these troubles. I don't know if that will be the end seasion of The Boys. The fact is last season we started to see how Homelander doesn't care about what keeps a company afloat, whole departaments fired, people without knowledge running areas they don't understand. Perhaps that will another commentary in a sea of commentaries The Boys make about our world.

  • @Jackson-ub1uv
    @Jackson-ub1uv Před 4 měsíci

    This video reminds me of one of the key differences between the 13th Doctor and her other incarnations; 13 almost always acts on the information _given_ to her, rather than actively _searching_ for clues like the other Doctors, especially 12, do.

  • @grahampayton7514
    @grahampayton7514 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Would you ever be willing to make a video about how you became an editor? Or what the profession is like? I’m considering it as a career myself because of your videos and really want to learn more

  • @wavstudionet
    @wavstudionet Před 5 měsíci +1

    @Savage Books 26:55 *child-ish.*
    Enjoyed this.

  • @bijuutamer729
    @bijuutamer729 Před 9 dny

    4:44 I’m surprised you don’t mention that Stan’s secretary is more afraid of Stan than Homelander; even chasing HL.
    This is sharp contrast to how HL bullies several low level workers.