Doug Gottlieb reveals why he's putting Larry Bird and Jordan over LeBron James | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- In his reaction to LeBron James winning Player of the Month in February, Doug Gottlieb reveals to Chris Broussard and Nick Wright why he'd rather have Larry Bird, Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan on the ball at the end of the game rather than LeBron James, citing that The King is not as clutch as some of his predecessors.
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Doug Gottlieb reveals why he's putting Larry Bird and Jordan over LeBron James | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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Has LeBron surpassed Jordan as the best player in NBA history?
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright doug killemem
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright no way
No. Next question
Lebron and Jordan are way too different to be compared. Jordan is more competitive and goes with instinct or gut feeling. While Lebron analysis teams and players, if anyone scores a basket he will remember the person and the location that they scored from. Lebron is also focused on stat padding an example is when he was frustrated at the end of their game of the Spurs where hood passed the ball instead of shooting it when he was an assist away from a triple-double. The biggest issue with Lebron is that people always try to compare him to other players which adds pressure to him. Also, people who are similar to nick is one of the reasons that he has a lot of haters
monte star well said 👍
Larry Bird:
Better shooter
Better passer
Better free throw shooter
Better rebounder
Better competitor
LeBron James:
No injuries.......
Bron is a better passer !!!
tony diouf The people who say Lebron is a better passer never watched Larry Bird play, at the very least a highlight reel of his passes.
@@antoinefulgencediouf9735 watch bird passing highlights part 1 and part 2.. no way.
Lebron is a better rebounder to be fair. Especially when he commits to it. Its arguable that Lebron is his equal in competitive aspect. I do think Bird was better but let's be fair to LeBron
@@evensteven7429 the game has changed. There aren't any rebounders when compared to Bird's day. LeBron outrebounding Robin Lopez is not the same as compared to Bird vs Moses Malone.
Doug dropping the mic on poor Nick
And now everyone is talking about mj v lbj as the goat while bird isnt even considering :)
He also took his team from 29 wins to 61 as a rookie.
Jordan never flopped, bird never flopped. Lebron both flopped and quit; it’s a matter of character
Did you happen to miss the two times Jordan quit basketball completely in his prime?
Jon Smith yeah because of personal reasons. And when he came back he got another 3 peat.
@@whypascal Jordan quit because he didn't want the pressure of being Jordan anymore. Twice. If you're about to bring up his father, don't bother. There's plenty of documentation that he was planning to retire before that. He was 30, and he needed out due to simple burnout.
@Kenneth Erickson Quitting is quitting. Jordan did it twice. Lebron has twice gone to bad teams for the challenge. That's not quitting.
And Lebron blames hes team like a baby
Nick Wright is always lying about stats , Larry Bird Average 24 pts . He made up some stats last also with his MJ vs LBJ comparison saying LBJ average more steals and blocks than Jordan....that was lie .
Lord Magnetic he also said LeBron has a better game winning shot percentage in the post season that Jordan. Mike is 50% in post season one minute left and/or game winning/tying shots. Just sayin. Total game winning shots in Mike’s career... 29. Total fro Bron, 21. Regular season and post.
@@kpag3030 lol, he needs to be fact checked in real time like someone else we know.
And in an era with DDDDDefense, and with less scoring...
how does he even hold a job?
+2nd EZRA They're also doing some very selective omissions. Remember the 8-point playoff games they brought up that Lebron wouldn't be able to get away with? The other stats for a Larry Bird 8-pt game: 13 rebounds, 10 assists, 5 steals, 2 blocks. Shame on you, Larry Legend! LOL. How fast would Nick defend Lebron having an off night shooting if he had those other numbers?
Lol. Nick was owned!
Brian Griggs The guys who brought definitive facts got owned by the guy who just used the eye test? Ok 👌
Brian Griggs YES
@@zct1393 what definitive facts? He literally brought stats with zero context
I got Bird over Lebron. Bird was an absolute killer...
chriswb7 ....totally agree
Stop the bull
@@carloslosamoore1 u don't know shyt about basketball
Tupacolypse Now you don’t... Bird had an amazing team and only won 3 rings and couldn’t even get FMVP in one.. sad
@@keonihunter1635 sad that ur a wannabe baskrtball guy while I'm a real basketball guy. Because u don't know context.
Celtics won 29 games the year before bird came into the league. In birds rookie season they won 61 games... without those hall of famers ur talking about. Now what u gonna say?
And he won a chip in his second season... Cedric Maxwell got the fmvp but go look at the stats for that series and tell me bird shouldn't have won it. Bird averaged 15, 15 and 7 with 2.3 stls. Maxwell averaged 17, 9 and 2.8 assists with 1 block. And bird played more minutes than Maxwell..... go learn this sport properly u probably think harden is nice lmfao
Larry Bird never complained about his teammates when they lose. He just called them sissies and they responded. Bird a better leader than Bron.
Bird also didn't pass the buck to teammates in the biggest moments because he was afraid of failure. LeBron did that for 18 years.
@@thsu8 NO he just let a fole player win finals MVP
No, he just had a role player win finals MVP because he couldn't. Fewer finals MVPs, fewer MVPs, worse player. Period.
@@daverobertson623 Meh. It was his second year in the league, and he could have easily been given that MVP award. He averaged 15ppg, 15 rebounds, and 7 assists for that series. Maxwell was getting a lot of assists from Larry. And Maxwell was more than a role player, he was a really good player. LeBron has had the better career, but most people who know both players would rather give the ball to Larry in the final 24 seconds with the game on the line. He's tougher than LeBron and has a killer instinct. You never hear anyone make the joke: "Why don't you ever ask Larry Bird for change for a dollar? Because he never gives you the 4th quarter". but I've heard that made about LeBron many times.
@@Cediedash22 Bird should have won it but the writers weren't happy with their interactions with him. You obviously didn't watch the series.
I can right a 30 page essay on WWII as well... But it won't be as good or detailed as someone who lived through the WWII era.
Nick Right Stupid Comment!
Facts bro
I bet anyone that lived through Wilt Chamberlain's era will tell you he is better than Jordan/Bird/ whoever you favorite player is. It is called nostalgic bias.
nick is a tool for his leftist masters, hes fukn clueless
@Ulysses432 well bird and LeBron's numbers are give and take but birds numbers were achieved without being ball dominant. You can't put LeBron on a team with just anyone like bird and win.
Then achievements in a league when all the players that they compare LeBron to now, were playing AT THE SAME TIME. who does LeBron compete against that is of his all time caliber right now? No one. Durant is a Gervin or Wilkins type.. tier 2 hall of famers not top 10. Kobe, levron, and Duncan are the only players that have cracked that top 10 in the past 20 years.
@Ulysses432 a communist basically, try to read some
Nick Wright just can't let anyone finish before he's triggered. And he's completely delusional.
GNR194 BA he doesn't let them finish so they can't crush his terrible points.
He hides behind stats
Ricardo Lozano Lmao ikr
GNR194 BA Nick Wrong the most stupid basketball analyst
Nick Wright doesn't know what he's talking about. Bird was a better all-around player than Lebron. Bird was a better passer, rebounder, shooter, more clutch, and played against better competition.
If Nick thinks that Lebron is a better passer than Larry Bird, I imagine that his 30 page essay on WWII ends with the Germans winning...
Lol
Facts lol
Lebron is 100% undoubtedly a better passer the bird LOL
@@danno2x220 you never watched bird. Bird was a better passer. Lebron better player tho
@@brentt8940 your a boomer and is clinging on to your childhood. Birds passing didn’t compare to magic and lebrons passing is right under that if not better
How does nick wright have the credentials to obtain a job on a sports talk show???? He is not good, but he still is employed. Someone tell me why?
Or the girl (host), who are they were did they come from
Lebron is paying his salary.
@Steezy Mac why analytsts are not on tv?
He needs to apply at meet the press, chucks boy todd is clueless too
Isn't he smashing Chris Carter's sister?
Gotta agree with Doug on this one. I'd put Larry above Lebrun as well.
Gottleib killing them with solid arguments.
That other stupid young kid knows nothing everything is all about flash these days who is the flashy a player and to them that equals the best
Pelom Pelon 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
@@STW-News-Headlines Bird was a way flashier passer than Lebron though, but I agree he knows absolutely nothing. His all time passer ranking according to this interview was 1) Magic 2) Lebron, completely forgetting about Stockton, Kidd, even Jason Williams I would put above Lebron as a passer.
@Pelom Pelon but he also said Magic Johnson
@Pelom Pelon thank god
Somebody's gotta call out nick Wright for his lying stats. Larry averaged 24, 10 and 6 for his career, NOT 22 POINTS
Put Stephen A Smith on this show, he’ll destroy Nick Wrong every time!
Still less than LeBron’s 27.
Maybe because Larry actually passed the ball and not just when he was getting double or triple teamed..?
@@mrravimc the difference in their avg ppg is basically a direct result in the increased number of FTs James gets combined with the extra cushion of protection the refs give him...look up the difference in their FTAs-its pretty blatant and the fact that anyone who breathes on him gets whistled up while he is allowed to shoulder check hip check and elbow check his way to the rim everytime he really chooses to back his man down to the basket, and thge fact that he plays in a league where big men dont exist anymore and arent allowed to stand in the paint for more than 2 seconds on defense absolutely accounts for the difference in PPG avgs..Put a young healthy L.Bird in this league under these rules with that kind of help from the refs, and hed average 30+ppg easily but unlike James wouldnt annually finish the yr as a top 5 player in turnovers per game...
TH3GPS Bird averaged 19.3 shots per game for his career. LeBron? 19.6. Nearly identical. It’s not that LeBron didn’t pass or take way more shots than Bird. He simply was more efficient and scored more. Period.
Nick Wrong never saw Bird play, and is too young to realize that in 1986 almost everyone lined up and called Bird GOAT, before Mike became Mike.
Jordan was a different player from day 1. He couldn't get in the "best player" argument early on because of injury and the team around him. He was that good. The way you made the list of best in the business was winning. Jordan knew this and sacrificed stats to do just that as he went on to win 6 Championships. Larry was GREAT. Jordan was just better. No GOAT argument in '86 when Jordan had only played his rookie season. I think anyone who knew basketball then also knew Jordan was the "ONE" by 1990.
im a celtic fan and i think they dont give credit to bird against lbj debate when birds team will kick butts of any team lebron has in his career ..
@@vikkibowers4301 just you
@@vikkibowers4301 In Bird's rookie season, the team record improved by forty games with the same team as the year before which had won 26 games. Michael learned what it took to win from Bird.
I know a lot of guys that say they’ll take Larry bird in his prime over LeBron and I don’t think that’s ridiculous Larry was amazing, You have these idiots that say Larry would be a role player in today’s NBA 😂😂😂
Yup. Bird would be role player at best. Too physical and not quick enough- he would disappear in an upbeat offense and would be ineffective in today’s isolation offenses. He was great for his time (however brief)... LeBron would be a powerhouse in every NBA generation
@@justmike75 no offense my friend but I respectively disagree with you 😂, to say that Bird would just be some pushover in today's league is in my opinion ridiculous and tbh a little insulting. And to think LeBron would just breeze through any generation is ridiculous too, teams like the bad boy pistons would beat that man down to his very core, the rules play to his favor today, the team's aren't stacked with talent anymore, and the game is less physical plain and simple.
@@justmike75 Dude Larry Bird is one of the greatest one on one players of all time!
@@drieey I'd take Magic every day and twice on Tuesdays over Larry. Larry played the game well in his time, Magic revolutionized the game. Same with Lebron... he's a game revolutionizer/ not just a good era player.
@@noadmre7493 I get the whole generation argument, but MJ eventually got past the bad boy Pistons and Lebron is so much more of a physical specimen than MJ. And ya the game isn't as physical but Lebron has been playing in the NBA since he was 18 w/o major injury (oh and over the past 9 seasons he has played to every final)- I think you underestimate Lebron's physicality. But really growing up a Lake show fan, I haven't seen a guy take over a game the way Lebron does since Magic or MJ. No offense to Larry, but I find the Magic/Lebron or MJ/Lebron comparisons to have much more teeth than Larry/Lebron. Don't get me wrong, Larry was great but top 5 he is not: MJ, Magic, Kareem, Wilt... and honestly I think Lebron is in there at 1 or 2.
Michael Jordan played defense (he won defensive player of the year and was runner up other years). Lebron will occasionally play D when he wants a chase down block to make the highlight reel. Can't be considered the best of all time if you're not a two-way player.
Brian Nguyen was also like 10 time all defensive 1st team
Brian Nguyen LeBron made flopping famous. I guess everyone has forgotten about the kids Lebronning while he was in Miami
Brian Nguyen Lebron made all nba 1st team defense every year he was in miami and a couple years in cleveland to. Hes always been a good defender but because of his size and what he has to do on offense he can always put 100% effort into defense. He was definitely a better defender than bird and can guard all 5 positions if he has to, something neither mike nor bird could do.
@@francisdelfino2188 lebrons defensive rank 304
LeBron is a help defender
Lebron has the athleticism advantage over Bird, that’s about it. Bird was a (way) better shooter, rebounder, team player, and better in the clutch (maybe all time). I know Lebron is a good passer but I’d even give Bird the edge. Also all Lebron does it bully his way to the paint, zero finesse.
Christopher Dones bird is a beast
Christopher Dones , there will be another physical specimen to match LeBron but there will never be another player with the basketball genius of Larry Bird.
Bird had an elite special talent to play basketball, maybe the best of all time, in terms of pure talent, way more than Lebron James. Lebron James is amazing, and has a lot of talent, but his game depends way too much on athleticism. Lebron hasn't even developed a reliable post game, even thought he can get a lot of mismatches by using it. Bird was a better shooter, rebounder, passer, and even defender. Yes he probably is not a better 1 vs 1 defender. But he is a great defender, way underrated. A lot of people say that Lebron is way better than Bird defensively, but the stats doesn't show that.
Blocks per game - Bird 0.8, Lebron 0.8. Tie
Steals per game - Bird 1.7, Lebron 1.6. Small advantage to Bird.
Defensive Rating (point allowed every 100 possesions) - Bird 101 - Lebron 102. Small Advantage Bird
Defensive Win share - Bird 59 (0.001713 defensive win shares per minute) - Lebron 64.4 (0.001454 defensive win share per minute) - Clear Advantage Bird.
Defensive Box Plus Minus - Bird 2.5, Lebron 1.9. Clear Advantage Bird.
So, why so many people keep saying and repeating that Lebron is a better defender than Bird???
And last, Bird was way more clutch and a better leader.
also, I think it was Pat Riley who once said, last shot of a game for the win i´d give it to Jordan, for my life i´d give it to Bird, he is Larry Legend, most clutch player of all time and the best trash talker of all time.
Bird was definitely the better passer.
Nick immediately lost all IQ points as I dismissed everything he stated once he ranked Larry Legend Bird as #9 on his list!!’ Nick should be fired with that comment alone.
This dude has lost his mind,I'm actually shocked at the way people just automatically put LeBron ahead of bird,better go back and watch some old clips nick,bird dominated games like none other in ways LeBron just would not do,watch bird diving for loose balls all over the floor and I'm talking jumping on people in the stands,dude broke his face in a playoff gm diving after a loose ball,came back in and finished off the pacers in an elimination game!!bird was way more driven,better shooter,better at the line,better rebounder,and yes a BETTER PASSER,Nick better go back to the archives and watch birds career!!let me tell u this,if bird didn't have McHale, parish,DJ and ainge his stats would have been even better,a lot better,bird had seasons when he avg like 29,10 and 7 and he wasn't even MVP that yr!!and NICK do ur homework cuz Bird avg 24 gm not 22,u can tell this man just had his mind made up BIRD was more important to the gm along with magic and jordan,LeBron is great until the close,that's the main drop off and it's kind of a bad one,until the warriors who were LeBron James competition??and when they beat them who closed em out??IRVING did!!in Miami who did the closing RAY ALLEN did!!no way will I ever put James ahead of bird,no way!!
nick is fukn clueless Bird could play circles around lababy James
….and Bird would trash talk Bron into tears.
But bird really needed kevin mchale to win after archibald, for people who dont realize before tim duncan came to the scene, mchale was my no.1 pf ever, 12ft and in he was unstoppable, robert parish was no scrub, danny ainge had a heart could shoot like anyone. Im saying to you for the most part of his career larry bird had considerably better talent then lbj... who took a bunch of no names to the nba finals in 07, and the following year with those no names went ecf, lost to orlando avergaing 38, 9 and 9 but was it his fault??
Larry bird wasnt on the same planet as lbj defensively, 5x all nba defensive for a reason. Larry didnt have the speed, the athletecism, the power i mean not to disrespect bird but at this point lbj surpassed him.
You cant go by mental toughness because its a different nba you gotta go by there accomplishments and skillset
AMEN!!
@Hello8 goodbye9larry bird had 4 hall of farmers in his team average what did lebron have theres no way u have two 8 points games in the finals and let a role player get finals mvp, theres no way lebron would let a role player take a finals mvp from lbj how many finals mvp how many mvp did larry have mj the goat but lebron is fs top 2 all time
It's hard to believe that hardly anybody that saw Bird play thinks LeBron is better. And all the LeBron children think it's hate. Maybe it's something to how great that guy was. And Nick Wright is so dumb he said LeBron has had the best 8 year stretch in NBA history. Um, Russell won 8 rings in a row. Magic had a 8 year stretch he won more than 3 rings. Jordan had a better 8 year stretch and he played baseball for a year and a half and go 6 rings. LeBron has not done any of that.
moneyaat well most LeBron fans are millenials. The ones that think they lnowceverything and if you challenge them they freak out. Kinda like LeBron.
moneyaat Larry himself has said thank God he doesnt play in this era
Nicolas brick just think if Jordan and bird where in their prime in this era. Lol
moneyaat nick says that bout lebrons career every show
His 8 year stretch that Nick claims is the best ever is laughable. I even think LeBron is the 2nd greatest ever but like you said Magic had an 8 year stretch where he won 4 rings, went to 8 finals, and won 3 MVPs, Bill Russell won 8 in a row and won multiple MVPs, Jordan won 6 in 8 years with 3 MVPs, Shaq won 4 titles and an MVP, KObe won 3 titles and an MVP. Not saying all those were better. Shaq and Kobe's weren't better but Magic, MJ, and Bill Russell had better stretches for sure.
I’d take Bird any day, Magic, and Michael. Bird was the best in a clutch and making his team better.
And when Bird got to the end of the game he wanted the ball so he could drive the dagger through your heart and twist it a few times just for good measure just to let you know he was the one who did it.
lebron didn't make his team better lmao good one
Lol at this point you are blind . LeBron surpass everyone at points , assists of all time .
@@fatman3177 the thought making a shooter from a former double double player inside is making team mates better .. waiting teammates for a kick out is making them better
I think it was Pat Riley that said "if I need a guy to hit a final shot to win a basketball game, it's Michael Jordan, but if I need a guy to hit a shot to save my life, I'm taking Larry Bird."
In those two games with Houston that he only scored 8 PTS. Bird went 8 pts, 13 RBS, 10 AST, 5 STL, 2BLK. Bird was still a factor in that game. In the other game he went 8PTS, 12RBS, 7AST, 2STL.
Sorry Doug! FS1 already has a Skip. Application denied!
lamonie7 lmao
lamonie7 lol
You win this thread!
Brad Neumeister lol thanks bro!
Battlecandy 💯 his opinion sometimes is so left field!
I wonder how much is deposited monthly into nicks account from LeBron James industries... I swear somebody walked into a speedway gas station and saw this clown stocking the hot pizza oven and was like "yo... you wanna do a sports show?"
No lie bro 😂😂😂😂
He spoke facts
this fool just said '22 PPG' for Bird career'...it was 24.3...argument lost when you can't get basic facts right
Lebron would body him for boards
PorkFrog give him a break that was off the top of his head
Stan Van since when do you get confused with 22 and 24. Maybe 23 and 24. 22 and 24 are literally two full numbers apart from each other lol.
KING CHARLES off the top of your head right now tell me how much points magic johnson averaged for his career
Stan Van he said like it was facts... he lied
"No one outside of Magic is a better passer than Lebron"
Names 5 people better than him! Nick's face when Doug started naming better passers than Lebron was the best thing lol!
Bird is way better passer than LBJ the only thing LBJ is better than bird is flopping
@@jeffelkins1905 and changinh teams
Bird was known to call his shots, let his Defenders know that the ball was coming to him, he would tell them what he was going to do and then do it... MJ... Everybody knows about the offense what most people don't realize is that he was a NBA Defensive Player of the Year once and named 2 the all NBA defensive team nine times... Only four others have done that in the game... James is not on the list... Pat Riley once said that if the game was on the line he wanted Michael to take the shot, but if his life was on the line he wanted bird to take the shot
Kevin Knight Pat Riley coached against both.
Truth
LBJ would D up bird
3 finals mvps to 2 finals mvps. Next.
@@dc3470
Nobody could really D up Bird. He could score in too many different ways.
Lebron will have superior overall career numbers than Bird and Lebron will be unmatched in the longevity. The argument for Bird is that Bird’s prime (1983-88) was greater than any point of Lebron’s career.
Bird was greater than any player in history between 83 and 88 and you can take that to the bank!
Shoulda coulda woulda but didn’t
If you look at clutch play, leadership, and closer ability, the argument is definitely there, as far 5 year career pinnacles go, 1983-88. It’s Mount Rushmore.
Goodfella some things you cant quantify with stats...ive watch bron get outplayed by terry and sit because of a cramp in 2 seperate nba finals...dont get me started on this latest one with his 'cast'
Larry had ice in his veins during his prime.
You are right bro ! . People forget, from that time span 1983-88 Bird was considered The Best player on the planet!, and won 3 straight reg season MVPs in a row.. remember, a young Jordan was in the league at the time, Magic was there, Kareem, DR J.. etc.. MJ didn't start taking over the league until 88-89..
Larry Bird........PERIOD. He would have dominated in the way the game is played today with the 3 pointer being so prevalent.....
Yeah, the crazy thing is the brutal physical play and hand checking from Bird's era very much worked against him and he was still a superstar and outright legend of basketball. Larry Bird in today's offensively slanted game with such pathetic and soft defense...he'd be out of control. They might have to change rules to get him under control.
Never
Larry Bird also had more heart than Lbj
Lenny Beason while being a better rebounder, passer, and definitely a better shooter
Lenny Beason
More. Clutch moments
Yup
what does that have to do with basketball, have you guys not got any other arguement
My six year-old niece has more heart than LBJ.
Bird averaged 24.5 points for his career not 22. Also 10 rebounds a game which makes him a doubl3 double career player. Also average 6.5 assist with other great passer at point n center.
I'm glad somebody know a clutch sports plant when they see it
Nick is the epitome of a LeBron Stan and why people hate LeBron. “Saying someone is a better passer than LeBron I reject on its face.” Doug lists 4 PG better passers than LeBron. Then Nick concedes they are better passers. LeBron fans will not let you disagree with them until you bring up facts and they want to change the argument.
A guy named Pete Maravich was a better passer as well.
So people hate LeBron because of Nick Wright? That says a lot more about the average Joe than it does about Nick or LeBron. Fickle and pathetic common folk.
Jordan fans do the same thing tho
LBJ paints with Crayons. Magic, Bird and MJ painted masterpieces on the court. Bird's passing was better. LBJ just dribbles then tosses the ball to someone camping out at the 3 point line to collect his assists. The wrap around passes of Nash, Bird and Magic were necessary because of the traffic in the lane. LBJ made his big extend the floor to make the game easier for him. I don't think it's close honestly and he doesn't get the nod before Bird. Magic or MJ. MJ WITHOUT hand checking and playing in space in today's game? 40 points minimum....
@@CoolAliana And what exactly are the Jordan facts? 6-0 in the finals? 10 scoring titles? 5 time nba mvp? 6 time finals mvp? Those are facts kid
Bird wins the eye test..Easily
I gotta go bird too my man.. i didnt get a chance to see him play but im a student of the game..
Lol no he doesn't the only thing he's better at is free throws.
Joey D. Better free throw shooter, better post player, better 3 point shooter, better passer, better clutch player, better rebounder than LeBron. Even a better leader. Larry Bird is the best SF of all time.
Yurhomi 24 you are right bird was better than lebron what hurts bird more than anything his skin ain’t quite dark enough
Bird wins the White test easily.
Larry Birds has actually better FG, 3PT, and FT percentages, also a better rebounder.
Carolina De Sousa he isn’t better than LBJ.
edieselentertainment ikr lmao
Better rebounder cause he was 6’10 😂 lebrons playoff 3 point percentage is better than bird’s tho
@@edieselentertainment Larry Bird is a better all-around player...its true
J-Dog no not for me. Grew up during Birds era but the NBA has never had a player as dynamic as LBJ.
There goes Nick Wrong lying again! "Larry bird ave 22ppg! Smh he ave 24.3ppg so 24ppg was more accurate but we all know, Nick is a liar when it comes anything related to basketball" Lebron is a career BAD rebounder for someone with his size and athleticism" How is Larry Bird ave 3 more reb per game in his career than Bron? I'm shook
i remember him making 50
Because back then people missed more shots
@@JohnSmith-ln4up they also took a LOT less three pointers...these guys today, thats all they want to do...shoot the three. Bird used the three as a nail in the coffin..and he put more teams in those coffins than anyone
@@jeremydesrochers5199 theres no way he choked in the finals with two 8points games and let a role playing teammate win finals mvp lebron would never let a role player win finals mvp
Bord also took 5 free throws per game during his career while Lebron has shot 8 per game. Considering bird shoots 90 percent from the line he'd have been averaging 27 if refs were calling fouls like they do today.
Larry bird career stats 24.3ppg 10rebounds. He got 10rebounds over 7x for a season. Lebron hasnt done it once.
And Larry has TWO 90-40-50 seasons and created the 90-40-50 Club. Lebron will never do that.
@@Lonewolfmikeand that's it?
@@jamanwashington902 90%FT 40%3P 50%FG
lol so
@@Lonewolfmike LeBron created the 10k 10k 10k club lol
I don't see how anyone who's watched both Bird and James could honestly say they'd prefer James with a series/game on the line.
WORD
mrdisco it’s literally the other way around. Bird over Lebron is an absolute joke
J Money
Listen Jrock
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Bob m stats don’t lie. Listen to what nick wright said. All facts. Only people say that is because they THINK he would’ve hit a game winner over Lebron when in reality Lebron is the most clutch player in game 7s and when facing elimination
@@colonelgibbs8357 like did people forget when he went to the finals with that trash cavs twice once in 2007 and the other time in 2018 and also the 3-1 game against a 73-9 team.
"Larry, you only told me one lie.
You said there will be another Larry Bird.
Larry, there will never, ever be another Larry Bird."
- Magic Johnson, 1992 speech made in Boston in honor of Larry Bird
“Larry has a way of making everybody he comes into contact with a better person. A pure American of the highest character as reported in Sports Illustrated: "Bob Woolf, Larry Bird's attorney, brings out a hotel bill dated April 6, 1979. .... Now, the most illuminating thing in this whole saga is that hotel bill from 1979. You see, except for the basic room charge and the tax, there was nothing else on it. No room service, no restaurant charge, no long-distance phone calls, no nothing. Having dealt with many other athletes, Woolf naturally assumed that the kid would charge at will. But that wasn't how Larry Joe Bird was raised back in French Lick, Indiana. ‘Larry has a way of making everybody he comes into contact with a better person,’ Woolf says. ‘If you think the Larry Bird on the court has character and is unselfish-well, off the court he's even more so.’ Among those who know Bird well, the same catalog of qualities is cited again and again: honest, loyal, steadfast, dependable-his existence shaped by the contradictory, almost mystical ability to be the cynosure, yet always to contribute to those around him. Mel Daniels, who was an assistant coach at Indiana State when Bird played there, said it best: ‘It's like a piece of Larry goes to each player by the things he does.’ Tony Clark, a Terre Haute radio executive who grew up with Bird, says, ‘Larry epitomizes the word friend. Do you understand that?’ Yes. ‘Then you really don't have to know anything else about him.’” (Sports Illustrated 1988, Frank Deford, “A Player For The Ages,” Sports Illustrated, Time, Inc., New York, New York, March 21, 1988)
"The guy was a basketball genius who had a mask of "a hick from French Lick" out as his calling card. But if you believed that for one second, you were going to get beaten."
- Dr. Julius Erving, Televised interview published September 12, 2011, czcams.com/video/uxbDdnm3F1A/video.html
Larry Bird Greatest Passer of All Time
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After Larry learned of Magic's diagnosis he was one of, if not the first player to call Magic and talk with him. Larry may have been his rival on the court but he is a friend off the court and that means the world to Magic. They got to know each other of the court and they don't have to talk to each other every day but their friendship is as strong as one can imagine.
Magic a better passer than bird. Let's be real now
@@jamanwashington902 magic took easy passes and made them
look fancy, bird took hard passes and made them look easy.
bird the best all around player in basketball history. that's all folks
You can keep Lebron. I will take Bird and put him with a trainer and nutritionist. Then feed him the same PEDs Bran's been taking the last 8 years.
bwink23 lmao so so true, perfectly said!!! People like to gloss over the overwhelming evidence that points to Lebron James being on PEDS lmao!!!
Josh. Larry Bird didnt even try to lift a weight until after his back surgery, by then he was done. He easily could put on 20 pounds of muscle eating Bran Flakes. How scary would that be.
bwink23 Real real scary lol!!!
bwink23 good point
Oh yeah let's just all pretend that genetics has nothing to do with it.
Cedric Maxwell in 81 finals scored 10 pts in game 1 and 6 pts in game 2. There is your match for Bird's 8 pts in game 3 ( a big Celtic win) and 8 pts in game 4. Bird was better in 4 of the 6 games. Maxwell stats were 17.7 pts 9.5 reb and 2.8 assists. Bird was 15.3 pts 15.3 reb and 7.0 assists. Bird hated the media and was a terrible interview. Maxwell was much more engaging, quotable and friendly. Moses Malone average 15.7 rebounds in that series and Bird almost matched Moses, his team needed it. Bird should have won the 81 finals MVP, he put game 6 away with several big shots and plays.
Thank you.
Robert Reid was a great defender.....who kept Bird in check......LeBron choked....Bird didn't in 81.
Great job Doug, you put this man in his place, thank you
He lost lol
@@kevinfinnerty3754 yeah, nick did lol
@@xxtopgunxx8764 no
@@kevinfinnerty3754 yes
Reasons for Bird edging LeBron:
1) Both of their numbers are give and take but bird got them without having to be ball dominant.
2) you simply can't compare the 80s east with anything LeBron has played in ..in the East... Ever. LeBron's in the west now, how's he doing?
3)all the players that they compare LeBron to, PLAYED AT THE SAME TIME IN BIRDS ERA. Those guys give bird the nod all the time to this day. Kobe agrees too.
4) Rule changes. Put Bird at the line like LeBron, and bird would average 29-30 ppg.
5) No bigs to get smashed while going to the bucket.. no defensive big men until about 3 years ago with Anthony Davis, and a brief period with Dwight Howard.
6) LeBron played only one defensive player of the year in the playoffs, and lost.(Kawahi Leonard)
Bird played against Rodman, Cooper, Hakeem(tried him in the 86 finals, Hakeem said "that's a baaadd man" , Moncrief(underrated defender of all time), Pippen(not in the playoffs) and they all said he was a nightmare to guard and bird won.
How is he doing in L.A., you mean? Where I use to live..., well, you'll find King James living fine, like the King! And, oh, by the way, that thing he does part-time..., What do you call it..., professional basketball? You're right. He could do more, and better, full-time. However, it's like that. It's L.A.
You must admit, no one, except for the inimical Wilt Chamberlain, to my knowledge possesses the skill, power, heft and muscle...as does the King, who was probably given these formidable gifts in the way of compensate for the King's lack of a "proper family," at birth..., maybe. Of course, no one is perfect. But in terms of how well the young man presents himself yet, outside the ring.... Well, can anyone name all the many other players out there may come closer to his mark for the weight of scrutiny he bears since, when 15?
As far as this "ball dominant" thing, surely too much at times, and I must agree. However, dominate just as necessary at other times for necessary reasons. A King must be liberal with demonstrations of his King-ness, perhaps the more as time goes by.
Long live the King! And prayers be plenty for the speedy, successful return of the Prince, aka, Kevin Durant, a proven true Golden Warrior for all time of the Golden State. (Athletes should also be rewarded for their over all character, which should weigh as heavy in our evaluations, my view. is the fine point.) Peace.
@@jcjc2470 are you in love or something? That was the weakest, most non subjective, least articulated argument I've ever heard. It was devoid of fact, and supplemented with feelings.. this is a sports conversation not a therapy session.
JC JC
LMAO! Please tell that whole speech was a joke?
@@jcjc2470 you spelled Queen wrong
Lebron also lost to Dwight Howard in Orlando
Doug Gottlieb is the only legit analyst on Fox. P
This is obvious. LBJ just doesn't cut it under pressure. He has zero fundamentals and he can't deliver under pressure because he has zero go to moves.
Boogie Loo can't deliver under pressure? Lbj is quite possibly the greatest of all time. Have you seen the crazy fade away he's been making? Seems like you haven't actually watched basketball in 10 years.
Garry Miller he can’t it’s easy to score in the clutch against guys who aren’t on your level but when it counts against top tier talent and teams he doesn’t finish more times than he doesn’t
Garry Miller his finals record proves that although this past season he had absolutely no chance lmaoo
You might be the dumbest person of all time
LostCrow1997 lol his finals record doesn't prove that, his finals record prove that he's been beaten by better overall teams each year (not 2011 tho) plus Bron def has go to moves...the post fade away fading to his left, the step back 3 to his left, any 3 pointer on the left wing, or just driving to the basket if he wants to do any of those things
Bird, Jordan, Kareem, Ewing, Pippen, Barkley etc played in a much more physical and demanding league.
I agree with Doug. Context is important. Seeing someone play as it happens in proper context gives your argument more credibility. You could write a 30 page essay on wwII based on what others have already written, but can you honestly say you have better perspective on what it was like during that time than someone who actually lived through it?
people tend to be more bias for stuff they seen early in life
@@OMG-si3wn ya but if you werent there you have to go off of others interpretation. God bless!
How is Chris gonna call Cedric Maxwell (who's Jersey is retired) a role player!?? Cornbread Maxwell was a first or second option on that celtic team back in 81' and the leader while Bird had only had a year under his belt and McHale wasn't even good yet... The disrespect!
Broussard was being misleading by saying "Bird had 2 eight-point games" in 1981:
- In those 2 games, Larry found other ways to help his team a lot:
The scoring was spread out on that team .... Larry only took 11 shots in one of those 8-pt game.... and Maxwell the leading scorer only took 16 shots. Larry didn't need to score to influence that game or other games: He had 10 assists & 13 Rebs even if he wasn't scoring much with Reid guarding him.
The Celtics were up by over 10 by halftime and wound up winning by over 20 so Larry didn't need to score for his team to win.... and those teammates weren't AllStars or Hall of Famers - stars back then just looked for the open man and passed the ball - not like the hero ball of today where players are trying to impress people with stats.
Bird had 11 rebs and 7 assists in to go with 8 points then next game. But then broke out of his funk by game 6 with 27 points.
And even then, it was only Bird's 2nd season - which shows his maturity in understanding how to influence a basketball game, especially over Lebron who was in like year 6 in 2011 when LBJ lost to the Dallas Mavs and still was ringless.
Broussard: I've rooted for Lebron... he lost my support by the way he played listlessly in Cleveland in 2010, and the way he acted entitled in Miami in 2011, then lost to the Mavs that year....
CORNBREAD HAS SAID ON MANY OCCASIONS THAT BIRD MADE HIM & THE OTHER CELTIC PLAYERS BETTER THEREFORE BIRD MADE THE CELTICS AS A TEAM BETTER! THAT IS WHAT A SUPERSTAR DOES! I DON'T CARE WHAT SPORT IT IS! PERIOD.
Here is the difference between Larry and Lebron and why i consider Bird the GOAT..
He beat
The Sixers with Dr J Moses Malone and Charles Barkley
The Hawks with Dominique Wilkins , Kevin Willis and Doc Rivers
The Pistons with Isiah Thomas Joe Dumars and Bill Lambeer
The Bulls with Jordan Pipen and Horace Grant (23-11 regular season and 14 straight games and 6-0 in playoffs
The Knicks with Patrick Ewing Trent Tucker and Bernard King
The Rockets with Hakeen Sampson and Robert Reid
The Trail Blazers with Clyde Drexler Jerome Kersey and Sam Bowie
The Bucks with Sidney Moncrif Paul Pressey and Terry Cummings
And last but not least
The Lakers with Magic Kareem and Worthy....
He also beat all others teams with great players...
So, Can anyone tell me who Lebron has faced and defeated that are better than those teams?
Ed Cortorreal I believe Mj is the Goat in basketball but I love everything you just said straight facts!!!
I respect your opinion, but Larry is a GOAT killer....He beat Jordan 23-11 in regular season and 14 of those games were straight. 6-0 in playoffs..Swept him twice...And by the way...Bird played with back injuries since 1986...
73-9
Ed Cortorreal MJ is the GOAT. Larry's Celtics was already stacked up when MJ joined the NBA. His team the the superteam of the 80's. and even without help from his team, MJ took Bulls to playoffs, and forced a 3ple overtime with Celtics. Larry was great. But MJ is the GOAT.
his whole starting lineup was filled with hall of famers
Bird had a higher free throw percentage and that's the only thing that hasn't changed since Bird Retired. If Bird played today he would still be the greatest. The League was about to go bankrupt until Magic and Bird brought millions of new fans to the NBA. Teams were matched much better across the board. The game is just threes and dunks now. Now guys take five steps and its not travelling like it was in the 80's.
You nailed it Magic and Bird literally saved the NBA from folding. They brought back the Lakers Celtics rivalry and put butts in the seats of not only Boston and LA, but every arena both teams played in.
Exactly real talk
Yes Larry and Magic brought the game to the United States attention, MJ brought the game to the worlds attention
@@bobbyd1632 I am pretty sure the World knew exactly who Bird and Magic were before Jordan was in the NBA. The NCAA Championship Game between Michigan State and Indiana State is still the most watched Basketball Game in History. But sure Jordan is what kept the NBA going after Bird and Magic retired. The World was infatuated with the Dream Team. If Bird and Magic weren't on the team there would have not been the same interest in the Team. If not for Magic and Bird there may not have been a NBA for Jordan to become the Superstar he was.
@@kurtsherrick2066 obviously bball players worldwide knew Larry and Magic by the mid-late 80s but MJ became a global icon, even to those who didn’t play bball knew who MJ was. MJ made the game cooler worldwide. That’s just a fact
Bird averaged 24 not 22 just saying
When people talk about Larry, they talk about him like a Legend. When they talk about LeBron, they are trying to convince you he's a legend
lebron is a legend you just don't want to admit it
@@RL-ww5ev by responding you kind of made his point
@@RL-ww5ev No he's not. Lebron is a great basketball player but legends are more than stat lines. Great players go to the HOF but legends are made in huge moments.
@@bobbyd1632 😂
@@vCLOWNSHOESv facts. Lebron is a bum
To be totally honest whoever says the argument between Lebron and Larry is not close is beyond delusional. If Larry played in today's NBA he would average 35 12 and 12
Randy Haynes no ? He would be a glorified Joe Ingles
Fahim Abrar you don't know basketball
Randy Haynes he tried to make it look that way by dropping names
Fahim Abrar Wow, you really don't know what you're talking about. Are you kidding me?
You can’t say what if. How gd do you know that anyway? A lot of people would argue that he would be worse in today’s nba but I’m not gonna say that. Lebron was better.
look at nick wright all mad because how dare doug not praise his idol
Bird had some crazy no look passes and ball fakes. 24PPG 10RPG 6APG for bird
Gottlieb is right re Bird as a shooter, passer & Rebounder.
stats lie the game has changed so much if you didnt watch the ones that played before you wouldnt realize how overrated lebron really is
Thank you Doug people really sleep on Bird
Nick talks stats like he doesn’t watch games.
I don't know much about basketball, but I find this old vs modern argument fascinating. What I don't like about the guy on the right is how angry he seems to be that someone disagrees with him.
Lebron lacks defensive consistency and the ability to shoot free throws. He dnt want the clutch shot bcuz he dnt wanna go to the line.
You must not have watched him much he has finished 2 in voting for d player of the year he won mvp both times so they proly didn't want to but he has been 1st in defense win shares 6 times out of 15 years
Doug the only one with balls to educate these kids on how good Bird was. Bird would easily average Lebron's stats in this soft era. NBA is like flag football, back then it was a grown mans game
Lmao all the 12 year lebron fans clearly never saw Larry Bird play, lebron even said in a video he's the 2nd greatest player ever. Larry Bird was lebron before lebron, amazing passer, better shooter than lebron, better rebounder, better on defense (more consistent)
Jonxz bird was never a better defender than LeBron stop hating
I don’t think lebrons game was anything like birds. They may have similarities on the stat sheet but bird rarely dunked and wasnt athletic at all. Lebron plays more like karl malone with magic or pippen passing. Bird played way more in the mid range. Lebron plays bully ball getting to the basket because be has a better body and the rules allow less contact now
prime Bird > prime Lebron...it's not arguable
PorkFrog It is arguable. Cuz its wrong. Dumbfucm
arguable, but I don't see any argument...
It is arguable because one really important person disagrees with you, Larry Bird. Larry Bird is one of the most intelligent, if not the most intelligent basketball players ever, he's accomplished, secure, knowledgeable about history, context, and is one of the most honest players, and he said LeBron is better. Considering Larry Bird probably knows and understands the game of Larry Bird and even said LeBron is close to Jordan. I'll take Larry's word for it.
that's called an argument from authority. it's a logic fallacy
in other words, it's not stating facts to support an argument, but pointing at an authority figure or expert, and saying, 'well, if this guy says so, it must be true'
the problem with thinking that way is, anybody can be wrong. Einstein was wrong about science...
for my argument vs yer non-argument, I would simply say Bird won 3 rings and 3 straight MVP's and THEN posted back-to-back 50/40/90 seasons
it's a better prime than James
Bird is the only career 24 ppg , 10 rpg, 6apg in the HISTORY of NBA.
If NBA refs called traveling violations more strictly, as they should have been, LeBron’s scoring would have dropped by five points. The man gets off more in this area than anyone in the history of the NBA.
Also, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, and Kevin Love’s stats all dropped once they joined LeBron’s team (Kyrie Irving’s numbers stayed about the same), so where did this “he makes everyone around him better” argument come from?
Larry Bird made the bottom-of-division team into the best in the conference in his rookie season and won the championship in the next. Jordan never lost at the finals. LeBron? He whined and jumped around the league to make the Superteams, even had coaches changed to his liking, to win the same number of championships as Bird, with the lower success rate than MJ. THERE IS NO COMPARISON.
chaspark78 perfectly said!!!
He does make everyone better. When stars get together their numbers always drop thats logic if your bot as stupid and as pathetic as you lol
Jan Kaufmann, so stars got together and their numbers dropped as it should have been, how did LeBron James made them better? Their numbers dropped and somehow they are better? What is the basis of your claim that LeBron James made them better?
If you cannot logically explain your position, at least know some manner.
when you spread stats on every teammate you make all of them better as simple as that when you use often the 24 shot clock to the max individual numbers will go down but the offensive rotations will take effect on all 5 players increasing their confidence to shoot as soon as they be open have you checked the stats of Kevin Love's teammates on Minnesota and Bosh's in Toronto every blind Lebron hater will omit that conveniently.
chaspark78 Lebron does make his team better tho 😂
Point Guard-Magic
Shooting Guard-Jordan
Small Forward-Bird
Power Forward-Duncan
Center-Jabar
100% agree
Yep
i like ur first 4 lee but iam goin with shack at center
@@nutbuster9239 he would be my 2nd choice at center.
24 PPG for Bird, career, not 22 PPG.
I watched the complete careers of both. I agree and would rather have Larry Bird over Lebron James with the game on the line. Bird made the other four players on his team a threat, and opened up more options for the team. His defense, passing and rebounding were better overall, and he sacrificed more of himself ( example, 2-3 hour shoot arounds before every game, running the stadium stairs, etc) for the team.
I’m sorry, but Bird was better.
just looking at mvps and stats lebron wins everytime (apart from rebounding and shooting), if your going to tell me lebron is not clutch than why does he have better fg than mj and kobe (rip kobe) who are both known as clutch players and also in game 7s and elimination games lebron has the most points and in 2016 where lebron lead both teams in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals where he beat a team that had the best record of all time with 73-9, went down 3-1 and then destroyed in the last 3 games of that series
@@fatman3177 lebron stats will go down take birds last 3 years out with a hurt back and his stats would be even better
@@Alphasports576 lebron stats would still be better
Bird had more aggressive defense could get away with more take away birds last 3 years with back injuries and stats are same and bird had to go through greatest team greatest center ever Kareem and best point guard magic and bird had ice water in his veins he would dominate lebron mentally lakers 80 greatest team ever
@@PetrMitrik Bird averaged 25 points a game across his first 9 seasons shooting only 5 foul shots per game. James has averaged just 2 more points while taking 8 foul shots per game. Bird is a 90 percent free throw shooter, you do the math. Bird averaged 10 rebounds per game compared to Lebrons 7. Lebron averages 7 assists per game to Bird's 6. The stats are wash. Lebron holds the advantage in my opinion due to longevity.
larry bird = lebron with a jumpshot.
Bird was a better rebounder, passer, shooter before his body started to fail on him. Lebron right now is playing worse defense than larry bird has ever played in his career..larry bird took a sub 20 win celtics team to 60+ wins the next year and he is far more clutch and had way higher intangibles. Birds eastern conference was far tougher and there was far more parity in the league in the 80s.
3 finals mvps to 2 finals mvps. Next.
Also bird didnt last this long another problem with the bird conversation. Durabiltiy counts.
shamier smith, Willis Reed of the Knicks has 2 finals MVPs, same amount as Hakeem, Kobe, Kareem, etc. does that mean Reed is better than those guys? Of course not.
Bird had so many weapons on his team..8 guys are now HOFers..surround LBJ with 8 HOFers...he will never lose
Why must there always be more help for lebron ..:
Oscar Meza Because they play one of the best teams in NBA history every single year with three stars
Oscar Meza name someone who did it alone? Ill wait...Jordan didn't when til Pippen...Magic was drafted into a dynasty...Bird did the same...Boston In the early 2000s had Allen Pierce and Garnett...Shaq and Kobe...Olajuwaon and Drexler...list goes on...ill wait for u to name some one who did it alone..without anotber superstar
blakkshultz5 basketball is a team sport. You arent winning alone
blakkshultz5 kobe and pau
Nick got schooled hard Its funny how his points get refuted to pure dribble when people dont let him interject with his LeBron stats.
Better passers than lebron: Magic, Bird, Stockton, Kidd, Nash, Jackson, Rondo and Paul
Yeah and Curry and Rubio and Parker and Thomas and.....the list can go on and on. James is a good passer, but he is not elite point guard good.
scott skiles, penny hardaway. ok maybe not skiles, but he did have 30 assists in a game... basocally any 80s or 90s real pg is a better passer
Jason Williams is a better passer than all of them
@@steveforprez03 nothing wrong with jason williams but hes not a BETTER passer than kidd
@@leanmario he close. He in the group of top tiers.
Finally someone on the Lebron Sports Network get its right. Good job Doug. And I disagree with Nick, it does make a difference if you haven't seen the players play. And Larry averaged over 24 points a game over his career, not 22. And Bird averaged 15/15/7 in the 1981 finals, Chris didn't mention that.
Doug Gottlieb should never be invited back to this show.
experiencing world war 2 is lot different than writing a 30 page essay
Btw bird spanked Jordan when they went against each other. And he would've destroyed queen James
The Celtics spanked MJ. He averaged 43 one year against the Celtics but he got swept cause he couldn’t carry a bad team like Lebron could . But I agree Bird was the best player of the 80s. Had he not gotten hurt he could’ve even been the goat tbh. But he not beating Lebron. Depends what teams they playing on cause if bird got the 86 celtics they winning for sure 😂
@Darius Barkley Really guy? He's relevant cuz he was great. Dope
The level of stupid in this stack of comments 😂
Broussard stop lying. Ya, Larry had 8 pts twice in that series but he also had a stat line that read 8pts, 13 rebs, 10 assists, 5 steals & 2 blocks!! The other 8 pt game was 8pts, 12 reb, 7 assists & 2 steals. That's hardly fading away. These guys like skip and this other clown let you get away with saying larry was no factor in the 81 finals because they don't do there homework.
He averaged 15-15-7 in those Finals, which is actually pretty good.
Also the series Broussard is talking about was 1981, Larrys second year in the league. I agree with what he is saying if Lebron did that NOW, but if he had been in that position to do it with Cleveland in his second year it wouldn't have been held against him.
Captain Chinook the point Chris is making is if LeBron averaged 15 points in the finals no matter what the other stats were (I agree with you, that stat line is pretty solid) he would be CRUCIFIED by fans, analysts, etc.
That is because Larry isn't in the top 5 of all time conversation. So LBJ is held to a higher standard.
Kangman02 Larry Bird by a lot of critics is considered to be one of the 5 greatest players in NBA history. Even, back then, when he was in his prime, some considered Bird the best player of all time. For me, Gottlieb and others, Bird was a better player than Lebron James. Lebron is better than Bird in athleticism, going directly to the basket (as a result of his athleticism), and dribling, and that's it. Bird is a way better shooter, better passer, better rebounder, and you can even make a case for Bird being a better defender (Bird has equal bpg, more spg, better defensive rating per 100 possesions, better defensive win shares per season, better defensive box plus minus). Bird was a way more clutch than Lebron and a better leader. Bird had a higher basketball IQ and was a far better pure basketball talent than Lebron James.
I understand Jordan but Bird? Bird was unreal but compared to Bron it's not even close
Dicknose McQueen i do put lebron over bird but saying its not even close is disrespectful and shows ur ignorance smh
kyclutch swerving I have 6 players better than him but there's maybe 2 aspects of the game where I've seen Bird be better than LeBron. He's a better jump shooter and free throw shooter but other than that I don't see anything else
Dicknose McQueen as far as passing abilities its very close
kyclutch swerving Bird was a great passer but he never would have ran the point guard like LeBron especially not in this era of guards
Dicknose McQueen r u liking ur own comments?!
Larry Bird 24ppg 10rpg 6apg
Lebron james 27ppg 7apg 7rpg
Both have 3 titles.
However bird was the first player to shoot 50-40-90 and did it twice. And bird only played 11-12 seasons counting injuries. So all those triple doubles came quick! Its personal preference. Im picking bird.
Bird over James in the beginning the middle and Definitely the end of the game. Player really feared Bird got the ball in his hands especially in CRUNCH TIME and at the free throw line, but had NO FEAR when James has the ball in his hands in those same situations, in fact the opponents saw the Fear in James whole demeanor, eyes, sweaty palms that big lump in his throat where he can't swallow, Bird period!
Real basketball fans know bird is not even close
Well said. The respect that his teammates had for him and the will to not let him down was astronomical. Could you imagine McHale making an error about the clock or the score and Bird sitting at the end of the bench pouting like a little b$%&#. He would have looked at McHale.. smiled.. and said watch this.
Well LeBron only averages more Game 7 points and field goal percentage than Jordan, well when did Jordan ever play that many game 7s? In his finals never ever
Tashrif Alam... Thought the same thing!!!...Lol
Tashrif Alam because jordan is great and didn’t allowed he’s opponent to reach game 7. that’s how good jordan is.
jordans teammates showed up in finals
blake wagner lame
JOrdan played Game sevens...It was just ECF and he LOST
Lebron is the player most hated in all of time in history of nba
No he's not. He's the most disappointing stat filler in NBA history. And partnering with the players he did is not helping.
He’s also the most popular American athlete so....
False. Kobe was, and without Social Media being where it is.
Jose Flores facts for no reason though
Yes Sir Fo Real
Love watching Doug Gottieb school Nick Wright! lol
unfortunately he didn't
Bird averaged 24 pts a game for his career, not 22 that Wright claims.
thats just 2 points
Whoever this guy is, he must have played basketball. He makes a lot of sense.
"Douglas Mitchell Gottlieb is a former NCAA collegiate and professional basketball player, as well as a basketball analyst and sports talk radio host."
I'ma need nick to realize LeBron is a good passer not great my man's TO to assist ratio is 2:1 while magics is basically 3:1 so please stop saying he passes like magic no they both are just big an can pass but magic was much better as a passer an so we're many others
To be fair he never said LeBron was a better passer than Magic. I don't think anyone has ever said that, ever lol
Nash maybe. Bout it.
Super saiyan Cabby28 Wouldn’t say many but there are better passers
Ion know about that many others part
-never watched magic play
I can tolerate Lebron vs Bird debates. But anyone who has Bird as their *Ninth* best all-time player is disqualified from talking serious about basketball.
Larry’s prime was better than Lebron’s only thing Lebron has over Bird is longevity. If Bird had today’s nutritional and medical advances he’d be the goat hands down.
PED's....just say it...
Or if Lebron played with 4 hof they could not triple team him so oo oo yea you fcked up 😂
@@prestongreenbay6336 We won't know for a few years how many HOF players LeBron played with. They are still playing. You have to be retired to be in the HOF.
Longevity is nothing but the opportunity to win more.
Lol I genuinely believe Nick's in love with lebron!
when you hold the ball for 20 seconds every possession your stats will be inflated. That is what happens all over the league. Bird was a much better passer and shooter. Lebron never does touch passes.
Larry Bird is the greatest Forward and most clutch player of all time.
Larry Bird was the best all-around player in the game
Amen
NOT ONLY THAT BUT HE MADE THE GAME MUCH MORE FUN TO WATCH! PERIOD.
Larry Bird was the best basketball player in NBA history.
All lies .... Bird is a glorified role player. LBJ is the G.O.A.T. 🐐
Doug Gottlieb speaking truth.
I saw skip say lebron is a overall better player than Jordan which simply means lebron is a better player* Jordan just has more achievements
skip is not saying lebrons a better player. he just meant more versatile
A forward will always play more positions than a guard only an idiot would make a shooting guard play power forward and center that makes no sense
IAM FROM THE NETHERLANDS I pray to god we aren’t taking skips word on this now 😂
This is like the Brady/Manning debate for me. Even though Brady has elite skills most would argue that Manning skills as a QB were superior. But what makes Brady the GOAT is the combination of skills AND intangibles. LeBron may be a better NBA player physically than Jordan but Jordan had the skill AND the intangibles.
tmoney360 couldn't have said it better myself these guys don't understand that talent won't get you half as far as heart and will to win nobody in The history of professional sports wanted it more than Michael Jordan
if Bird just had 12 seasons at the NBA, reduce Lebron's to 12 seasons and compare it with Bird's. Let's compare efficiency.
It ain't lbj fault he take care of his body in year 17 and bird stop at 13
I would looove ta punch that Nick Wright dude, OUT!! So inviting!!
Also, Larry Bird was twice the player lebron was.
Well said doug....👍
Bird got the whole team involved in the game not just him
Lbj the same. The average 7 assist for his career and lead the league in assist year at year 17
Jaman Washington simple answer the lebron system .
@tom vaj who is the goat of this generation and probably going down the best ever? Who is the face the of league still? Who espn first take and indisputed shows talks about? Who is the only player nba history 30k pts 8k assists 8krebs. Who was kd mentor and workout buddy his rookie year. Who luka trey young anthony davis zion williamson and others look up to. Who was stephen curry mentor coming to the league? Come on man g. I aint even finish barely but i got more. Bring it