Can LeBron finally overtake Jordan in the GOAT debate? Nick & Broussard decide | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- What does LeBron James need to accomplish in order to finally. overtake Michael Jordan as the greatest of all time? Nick Wright asks Chris Broussard if it's possible for the Los Angeles Lakers star, or will Jordan will remain at a mythical level of unattainable GOAT status?
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@@Jon-eg7xj dnsba
Chris making nicks point like always
MJ>>>>>>>>>>>
Defense is half the game, Jordan played defense. For the past 2+ years, LeBron did not play defense...he rests, walks, spectates instead of playing defense.
@@brandonlopez6357 Nick is the worst I have ever listened to , it's ridiculous , they allow him to speak
This show’s chemistry is on point 💯💯
Facts..because they actually like each other
Today yes..
This and undisputed Better than anything on espn
Totally agree. I have really started liking this show even more - ever since Broussard replaced Brandon.
I agree. They've been able to kind of capture lightning in a bottle with how good they fit with each other. It's so much better now with Broussard & Wildes instead of Brandon Marshall, who interrupted everyone & was a straight up head case. 🤯
NickL “But I don’t say he (Lebron) locked down the league…”
Chris: “Cause he didn’t.” 😂
Yeah he didn’t lock down the league. He definitely locked down the conference.
nicks point is still right lmao many people won when michael was around just not in the finals, just cause he won 6 finals for 6 doesnt mean nobody else won a titile lmao smh
@@MNebula Duh Captain Obvious, the point is MJ never lost after he started winning
@@hakeemm1003 1995
@@D-money813 was he in the league ? No. Hakeem dominating just when mj retired and not doing so well when he came back just proved he was invincible
Broussard put on an absolute demolition against LeBron’s side piece 🔥💪🏾
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nah, by saying that the Heat were actually better than that godlike Spurs team from 2014 shows just that this man has no clue what he is talking about to be honest
Side piece 😂😂😂😂
This quote is so underrated….
Poor Wildes 😂 My man didn’t even get a word in 😭
Would've made the debate lopsided , he's obviously siding with Jordan
@@breshunt6412with good reason
"Jordan dominated a league while LeBron dominated a conference."
Expansion, rule changed league, where, when he won he always had the better robin, bench coach and when he didn’t, got bounced in the first round
@@123Abishai i guess you are talking about Jordan and you are absolutely on point
@@123Abishai That's not close to being true. The Bulls weren't even the best team in the league when the Bulls won their 1st ring, Pippen wasn't All-star and Phil wasn't the best coach. Most expansion teams became playoff teams. Wade>Pippen
@@123Abishai so full of it. You're either blatantly lying or you have no idea what it talking about
Better Robin?
DWade, Kyrie and AD are all better than Pippen was.
This was one of the best segments they’ve had. Both were triggered 🤣
Both? Only person I see triggered is Nick! 🤣
I mean good segment if you want a laugh but these are the dudes that are supposed to be analyzing the game on another level compared to the average fan.. and Nick is literally a cowgirl cheerleader when he truly believes he is right
@@dkg6826 💀
@@dkg6826 definitely both, Chris didn't even have a response for Nick's clutch stats rebuttal
Both?
Nick just got DEMOLISHED and killed 😂
MJ never had to tell people he was the greatest.
He never had to call himself the king.
He never went to an interview and asked what his goat moment was.
EVERYONE knew he was the GOAT because they saw him play.
mohammed ali called himself the goat all the time. Does that stop it from being the truth?
Ali never shot a jump shot respectfully
... according to the media, he had to learn how to be a good teammate and trust his. I never chose MJ over Magic while they were playing personally, I wasn't impressed like most as a child because I'd already seen in person 🌍B Free do what Everyone thought MJ was creating.
@spaceracer23... did you forget MJs "there's a new sheriff in town," statement to Magic and Bird... when they were older at that. I was alive for that. The context Lebron was speaking about was/is...if majority of the fans called the 73-9 Warriors the GOAT team... logically, what would that make someone of his stature for being leader of the victors? ...in other words, if it were MJ, would pundits sharade him with 🐐 status, I believe so. The bulls developed a system over the years just as the warriors did over time...they just have a direct connection to tie the two legacies together to attempt to further prevent the Young King from being more significant within NBA lore. In the MIC(Military Industrial Complex) some of us like to call it convert operation. Brons been a threat since he had the open run as a 16 year old child in Chicago with a then, soon to play for Wizards old Jordan looking to pad the stats surely because the wizards were not pursuing Championships...we don't hear MJ supporters defending why the 🐐s team weren't title contenders at that time... different system, different personnel is the logical answer. As we are in the moment, observe the expectations Bron has still in year 20 now that he's playing against his sons peers! LivefromNEO! No disrespect.
All...I just hit 🐐 status with that lengthy reply 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤴🏾...1000 percent facts! ... different places... different/ new information...no longer classified, hypothetical allegations...
2014 nobody was beating the Spurs with that ball movement. Some of the most beautiful basketball ever played.
Please they was mostly old and alot of role players they just ran the heat off the floor which Mike's teams wouldn't have never done
The 90s Bulls might have swept that Spurs team.
@Ben Carter those teams couldn't shoot 3s. Spurs would have open shots all game making their aggressive defense scramble all over the place. Even old Duncan dominates a Rodman, no contest
2014.. The Spurs went 7 games IN THE FIRST ROUND with Dirk. GTFOH
@@dustinjefferson6550 did they lose? Try again
The success of players like Kawhi Leonard kinda lets us know how MJ would do in the league today.
Imagine Kawhi with a 48" vertical and ability to finish at the rim like Ja Morant or Kyrie Irving
And the ability to stay available
Unstoppable
And improved mental toughness... would be the best player in the league by far
His ability to finish at the rim was an entire galaxy away from guys like kyrie lol
Jordan was on another level
Ehhh not so fast Michael was a leaper and he was 6’6 Kyrie finishing ability at his size is unmatched
The thing is, the difference between Kareem and Bill Russell and Wilt fading from the conversation is that media wasn't as heavy as it was when Jordan came onto the scene. Those will forever be accessible on the internet. Jordan is still the standard of measurement 20 years after he retired. Saying he's going to fade from the conversation when he hasn't yet? Illogical.
This was a great debate.....I could watch these two debate this topic all day everyday.....
Don’t worry, you will!
@@kgisabeast 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s not even close Jordan is the GOAT!
There is no honest debate to be had. Bringing 'feelings to fact fight' is exactly correct.
That's pathetic.
Every time this argument is brought up, the amount of championships and the stats are always brought up. The big thing missing that people rarely bring up is defense. You want to have a debate on whether Jordan or LeBron had a better offensive game? Sure, go ahead.
But Jordan was a lock down defender. Had multiple all defensive team selections, could shut down the other team's PG, SG or SF and did it all while scoring 30 a game. 30 a game when the average amount of points scored by a team in a game is lower than the current era of basketball. LeBron was a good defensive player for the early part of his career, but never great and now he just doesn't play much defense.
If we're just looking at how each player played and not who won the most, you could argue that Jordan scored more and LeBron was a better facilitator and say they're even, but defensively, Jordan wipes the floor with LeBron
You’re out of your mind LeBron James was lockdown defender for 10+ years, could guard1-4 and most 5s too. I honestly think people forget stuff like this because he’s played for so long but in his prime he was the best defender in the nba for a substantial amount of time.
@@LeonShallop he guarded 4-5 sometimes. And when he did not all game.. and he mostly was known for his chase down blocks, his defense was above average I guess. Not lock down like mike.
Although I agree that Jordan is better defensively, I don’t think you’re giving Lebron enough credit for his defense. He was an elite defender for most of his career as well even if he doesn’t have the same defensive accolades as MJ
Yeah but you couldn't go free will on defense like the complex schemes today. Look it up I don't remember the name so that's another rule that helped Jordan tremendously and idc about it. Just throwing some facts onto it.
@@angelcotto4698 that just not true he guarded everyone on the court from joakim noah to derrick rose. he was absolutely a lock down defender saying he wasnt is just revisionist history. he should have won DPOY in 2013 but instead they gave it to marc gasol (who wasnt even 1st team all D that year)
Broussard is one of my favorite analysts. He tried to say that Nick was arguing facts with feelings, but when Nick brought up postseason clutch stats Broussard immediately brought up how he felt personally lol😆. Facts say LeBron is more clutch than MJ in game-winning situations. Don't switch up now Chris.
Feeling and Eye test can't be disputed...BLOWN OUT IN 5 (2) SERIES, LOSES TO DALLAS...with a super team them its about The Lebron stats...THE LOSES matter in the finals. Replacing Lebron with MJ doesn't show the impact on those teams AS A LEADER which might have been enough. League vs Conference is a good argument. More clutch...I trust Jordan too. Lock down includes 10 All defense teams made.
Because LeBron has played more years so he has had more opportunities. That stat doesn't take the amount of years played in the league into account.
Could it be because Lebron had more instances to be in situations where he had to create clutch moments. Could it be because he had more attempts where he got to make the last shot? This season alone, Lebron probably had more last second attempts than any player in the league. O believe he missed them all because he only knows one shot especially at this poiny in his career, a step back three. If you had , kobe, Durant, Jordan and Lebron on your team would you choose Lebron out of the 4 to make the last shot and not be afraid to make free throws if fouled?
Where is these facts cuz Nick Right sometimes says "fact" that doesn't facts!
LeBron has made more. He's been in hundreds of more games than MJ. But who is the more clutch player here? Player A who makes 25 of 50 shots or player B who made 30 of 100? Player is more clutch because he has a higher chance of making it.
Great line by Brou with the facts over feelings but great comeback by Nick with the who's clutch retort. Great debate, sorry Wilds, your services were not needed here. Lol But I like him tho.
BTW, gotta love CB on the show over Brandon and Cris Carter, HUGE difference!
There’s something to be said for clutch stats, certainly. But that’s not the be all - end all, especially if LeBron’s clutch shots didn’t lead to championships. If we’re gonna praise clutch shooters; might as well add Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, and Ray Allen to the discussion.
Facts are he has more points, more assists and more rebounds those are facts
@@pepenips5095 and a losing chip record to show for it
@@damvp4 this is the exact point that’s wrong. A losing chip record but he made it to more chips. Why is it better that MJ lost in round 1 more as opposed to Lebron who made it farther more often. Makes no sense.
@@damvp4 alright then bill Russel is the goat
You gotta have context behind the numbers.. MJ was averaging over 30 when teams scored 90 a game and teams shot 10-12 threes a game and fewer possession.. and back then players actually played there position.. so PGs ran the offense and didn't force, SG shot or scored, SF were slashers, PF/C were the rebounders and the power house that was around the basket
Fact's speak on brutha because it seems like these do called analysis forget it's a team sport
That's false they average the same amount of points
@@lawlessjewel6629 no they don't. MJ has three highest PPG for a career
90 a game? Please go look at the league average in ppg in the mid to late 80s
@@StrictlyStrange67 on 3 more shot attempts…
When you compare each players 13 years in the league, Jordans stats, accomplishments, ect..... Beats LBJ
means it took LeBron a few more years to break any of MJ s records.
MJ is the GOAT
But you see how you gotta move the goal post to ensure a win in Jordan’s case
No it doesn’t lol
@@KidNamedKG it's not moving the goal post. LeBron fans are the ones comparing his stats (when he's played more years) to MJs and hyping up how he broke "all these Jordan records". But it took Jordan less time to get all his accomplishments and that includes championships.
You don't want to compare their first 13 seasons head to head because Jordan DESTROYS LBJ
@@KidNamedKG There is absolutely no goal post moving. Jordan in 13 years obliterates Lebron's accomplishments for his ENTIRE career. It's not even remotely close, in any aspect lol. Take away EVERYTHING in the Finals (chips, FMVPs, the chokes, the clutch moments, the greatest finals player ever) and it's still not even close at all. It's just magnified that he did it in a much shorter career, and had to deal with significant injuries missing seasons as well.
Bringing feelings to a fact fight…..I love that!!!
And let me complete that,
"Nick, you're dealing with hypotheticals, and theories, and fantasies, and what ifs..."
@@jyem4541 and then nick asked a fact based question, who would you pick for a gw shot in the playoffs, based on numbers aka "facts" and Chris said mj bc he feels that's the better option when it is factually incorrect.
That point was killed so swiftly and yall overlooked it. Wild
@@funkyfreshkid08 Jordan is better than LeBron in the clutch so it isn't factual.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 yet in the playoffs lebron holds the record for most game winners with more attempts and higher percentage than Jordan. So yet again... factual statements. Stop using your feelings. This is a point yall tend to overlook no matter how many times the numbers are in your face
Maybe because he's played like 60 more playoff games.
Jordan was more game winners over their entire careers, even though Lebron has played 300 more games.
I like how when people have this debate, Jordan won those chips and they don't give the rest of the Bulls any credit. I mean Jordan also played with HOF players on his team.
Is it not the same for LeBron?
Lol Lebron wins and it’s allllll him… they lose and his teammates are “trash”… y’all talking out both sides of your mouth
@@cpjj89 right 🤣 LeBron fans are so dumb. Reason why they called “Blind Witnesses”
@@brendanwalsh826 u sound delusional. Every championship lebron wins y’all nitpick and slight him by bringing up what his teammates did saying he got saved. Nah get outta here
@@jamesmcdowell1021 Ray Allen saved him… that’s as far as I’ll go… ya Kyrie hit the shot but the won that series cause of Lebron… is that “nitpicking”?
Brou handily won that debate. And, they didn't even discuss defense. MJ defensive POY and all defensive team nine times. The man didn't take a break on the court.
But he did take a break by quitting twice in his prime and 3x overall try again
Yea after he won three freaking championships in a row lol. Something LeBron has yet to do.
@@MikeBNumba6 what does that have to do with anything? He still lost the love of the game and quit not once but twice in his prime. Lebron went to 8 straight and 9 in 10 years but did he quit to cuz he was mentally done? Nope try again
The year the media voters took away lebron's DPOY and gave it to a second team defensive player, LeBron had the same defensive rating (101) as Jordan's prime defense DPOY year. That's is why stats are important, because only one player is playing against the bias that went into these trophies.
@@zamyoutube this is not the first time. Alvin Robertson won in 1985 as a member of the 2nd all defensive team. Lebron was not the best defender that year. Lebron has not played defense in nearly 10 years.
While Michael Jordan is widely regarded as the greatest of all time (G.O.A.T), . It was a title/compliment bestowed on the 6 time Champion by those around him and not the other way around. The 'MJ GOAT QUOTE' : "I Never Lost A Game. I Just Ran Out Of Time."
True
The dickriding is crazyyyyy
2 3peats
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Idk who the GOAT is. I like MJ more than lebron because he’s cooler lol
But both these guys made good points and both of them were 100% ignoring facts for feelings 😂😂
Finally, a man of culture
If both of these guys looked at the facts they would just say Michael Jordan and call it a day. None of the pundants want to actually analyze this because literally everything besides longevity favors Michael Jordan by a large margin. The difference in individual accomplishments between Michael Jordan and LeBron James is literally a top 20 all-time caliber career. In every Advanced metric Michael Jordan is the best of all time. When compared to the positions they play Michael Jordan is near the top three or four of every statistical category on a per-game basis. LeBron is only top 2 in shooting an assist compared to small forwards. And nobody brings this up but in the playoffs Michael Jordan is literally light-years ahead of everyone else. Then there is the obvious 6-0 vs 4-6.
Call me when LeBron has 6 championships!
That's your only argument?
IT'S THE ONLY ARGUMENT I NEED SHAWN!!!!
Bill Russel: “Call me when Jordan get 11”
@@idk7834 Jordan, call me when Russel you have less than 5 hof players on one team.
Call me when lebron at least get One 3 peat. Period
@@junorobluxtv KD ruined the cavs eventual 3peat Jordan finals record 2-4 in brons era fsho
@@mynutsonyourchin2806 always the what ifs with LBJ fans never the facts
4-19 years lmao 😂 Jordan 6-15 years 6 for 6
So Jordan has more of every major achievement, Rings, MVP's, finals MVP's, Scoring titles, DPOY.
Jordan has 2 three peats, and a 6-0 record in finals.
Lebron certainly leads Jordan in some stat categories, (rebounds per game, assists per game). Jordan leads in Steals per game and scoring average, blocks are even at 0.8 per game.
Jordan is all time leader in Player Efficiency Rating and Box plus/minus meaning he is a more efficient player while on court and a more valuable player than Lebron. This is where Lebrons large turnovers total really hurts him.
A players ENTIRE resume needs to be taken into account when deciding something as monumental as greatest of all time, and Jordan's complete resume of achievements, stats, contribution to the game, and supreme play style collectively have earned him the GOAT title, which has been his for 25 years already.
Thank you
Nick is the type of ignorant fan that thinks if 1 player averaged a couple more rebounds and assists it means he is BETTER than the other player...Makes Zero sense..Averaging a couple more Rebounds/Assists per game is IRRELEVANT
Just want to start by saying if Jordan is your GOAT, I got no problem with that. It’s not cut and dry. There are points that can be made for Jordan and I don’t necessarily think you are wrong. But to be fair, I think we all can agree lebron got robbed of the dpoy in 13. Anyone with basketball knowledge would agree that as an overall defender (all 5 positions) lebron was better than Jordan.
Rings and finals mvps it’s impossible to argue. Jordan has 6 of each, lebron has 4. I will ask though, besides 2011 which finals did lebron participate in where someone else had a better series (based on stats obviously).
Finally, I think there is merit to the argument that an entire career plays a part in the GOAT discussion. Lebron may finish with 40k/10k/10k by the time he retires. Something that may never be repeated. Championships are won by teams. It’s tough for me to look at their two careers (top to bottom) and say Jordan was objectively the better baller.
@@gregorytoms6043 40k/10k/10k is an accumulated stat. By that same token. [MJ 40% chip win pct.] Bron has a 21% chip win pct, 4 out of 19 seasons, and that stat will drop 1% every year he plays without winning going forward [Missing the play-in]. We play to win the games period. So if a player supposes to be a GOAT, shouldn't he win more than he has lost, despite having far more talent than MJ on his team? or participation is considered more valuable than winning. Coming in second place or less is better than 1st at winning the title?
Whats better? beating a juggernaut once 73-9, and losing to them 3 times. Or, being the juggernaut year after year fate year with two-three-peats and winning 72, 69, 67, 62, 57 and 61.
As James McKellar stated, Mj owns all stat avgs vs Bron, it's really not even close. He blows Bron away and he did it in fewer games.
That's efficiency at its best. It's all about being the best and having the hardware accolades to back it up and WINNING THE MOST.
You cannot omit 2011, it happened regardless. You cant debate with What IFS. You use what IFS, we say what IF MJ never retired and played from 1984-2000? MJ gets 41k total points.
As in Business, it is the same with judging the GOAT criteria. It's who is the most efficient across the board in the shortest time frame. not longest. You have to hit your milestones. MJ hit his, but Bron did not. He is an underachiever for someone with his talent compared to MJ. He should have done far better, but he did not.
Jordan wins accomplishments, legacy, statistics, winning and eye test. Bron gets longevity.
Just in case you bring up Bill Russell.
Bill never won 25 out of 26 playoff series as MJ did.
@@gregorytoms6043 You can only guard 1 player at a time so being able to guard diff positions does not mean that much...calling Lebron a better defender than Jordan is silly and just shows how ignorant lebron fans are and how they are a waste of time to debate against...enjoy
Let's be honest with ourselves, Jordan never melted down in the finals, LeBron melted down against the MAVERICKS of all teams. LeBron is great no question about it BUT Jordan is the 🐐 cuz he was consistently great the moment he stepped of the court before he was winnings chips, LeBron lost more finals than winning them
So what he shouldn't have made it to the Finals in 2007, 2017 & 2018??
The Mavs are criminally underrated in 2011! They beat Portland, OKC n SWEPT Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Artest, Fisher n Phil
@@billpap.9669 Even if you don't count those Finals losses on his record he would be 4/7 in Finals to Jordan's 6/6....The other thing that doesn't get mentioned enough is that Jordan 3-peated...TWICE...Lebron has NEVER 3-peated, which is something that was definitely expected from the Heat (as Broussard said, winning 2/4 was a disappointment)
The mavs were actually stacked…. Jordan was 1-8 in the playoffs before Phil and Scottie unfortunately
Winning chips? So Bill Russell is the GOAT then? 😂
I consistently miss shows of this magnitude, glad to catch it!
Chris Broussard made a very good point ..
He said that MJ locked down the entire league , while LeBron locked down an entire conference (East) ..
6 of 15. He didn’t lock down the league. That just facts. And I’m a either way it’s a preferred guy thing
@@Ortoreus 6 for 15 is better than 4 for 19. Jordan actually has the highest Championship winning percentage among modern era greats. He is 40% Magic is 2nd with 38%.
@@iamEricHalland Bill Russell is 11 out of 13. He's your goat then I'm assuming
Oh so he locked down the league for those 6 yrs he won the titles. For the other 9 yrs. He was locked down by others i supposed.
I dont think that Nick understands the concept of organized team basketball. Im of the mind that we cant just take LeBron out and insert Jordan et al. The Bulls played wonderful team basketball with specialist at each position, for the most part. The dynamics of the team wouldn't be the same with a different focal point that plays a completely different brand of basketball. You forget about how that would or wouldn't complement the other players, remember? LeBron's highs are higher, but his lows are lower. Jordan was the most consistently excellent. Thats where LeBron falls just a touch short, and thats a huge category for me.
Exactly. Jordan has only reached those heights with a single team. Yes the roster wasn't the same throughout the 6 championships, but the core was, and they replaced certain specialists with greater specialists. Without that system, do you really think Jordan would've won all those rings? He still would've been great, but I don't think Jordan would've just fit in any team. There is constant documentation on how Phil and Tex Winter had to keep Jordan from playing selfish ball.
LeBron took multiple rosters to the promised land. If he had a consistent roster, he proably would've won more rings, and in part that is his fault, but the debate is who is the greatest player, not team. Takes 12 to win a championship. Yes Jordan was the Alpha of that team, but that 6-0 argument is wrong. Jordan didn't score all the points or defend all 5 players in the court. He had teammates who excelled in their roles. That is the definition of organized basketball, people sacrifice aspects of their game to allow the team to succeed. Jordan didn't want to play outside of his comfort which is why we were stolen of probably 5 more years of excellence, although I honestly don't think Jordan would've won anymore rings after the Bulls broke up. Yes the 90s Chicago Bulls are the Greatest Team of all Time, but the debate is at the player level.
Furthermore, people love bringing up the Dallas Meltdown, but let's not forget that the same Dallas Team that defeated LeBron and the Heats, swept the defending champs led by the great Kobe Bean Bryant, who was probably the best player in the league at the time. Before they faced off against the Heats their record was 12-3. Yes on paper The heats had a far superior team, but that's how organized basketball works. And as Nick stated, LeBron scored an average of 27 points per game throughout the series.
Talent keeps evolving, the game keeps changing, there will be someone who will surpass LeBron at some point, and then someone will surpass that person, and so on and so forth. We just need to accept that everything evolves and someone who is better than X person will come along, even if it's a rare transcending talent that only happens once every two decades.
In truth, we just need to enjoy what is left on LeBron's career, it's almost concluding.
I agree with everything about your statement except the fact Jordan's highs were higher look at his scoring averages
LeBron ties were not higher than Jordan he didn't have the most points in a playoff game he didn't have the highest series average and he didn't have a career higher average than Jordan that's three text Jordan's gone
Jordan is SG and plays a SG. While Lebron is a PF, he plays a PG. Jordan is SG but takes a low post. While Lebron is a PF, he is always outside the arc recieving the ball... Jordan is 6.6ft tall and Lebron is. 6.8 and half feet tall.
@@thomasdematteo2281 you literally said “scoring” and tried to make it 3 different points ignoring every other stat 🤦♀️
Nick is so emotional talking about Lebron and he cant even hide it😂
not emotional about lebron. he’s trying to express that cb was also using feelings in his argument
@@ikngzdroiid no he’s emotional. At least chris would compliment lebron a lot nick never even complimented MJ. It’s almost as though his support for lebron made him to hate MJ because he would dig at MJ on alot of topics that isn’t even about MJ.
That's because he's speaking as a childhood fan and not a journalist ... I never take him serious when talking about Bron and MJ debate...he's joke
You can’t be the goat if you keep hopping around when things get tough and you don’t feel like you have the chance to win. You need to gut it out and win with what you got. You need to develop your players and build up your teammates. Mj build up Scottie pippen who was a bench warmer in his first couple years and avg 7 a game. Lebron has had too much support for him to only have 4 rings and 6 final losses. He has been given the keys.
L comment
Jordan barely played 15 yrs n won 6 yrs
@@jimmyb4361 Lebron has played 19 years and won 4 🤷♂️ that ratio isn’t that good if you ask me
@@zh2860 Lebron could hold up longer than mj and better competition in this year that’s not even a debate. If mj had played 20yrs his record wouldn’t be 6-0 n y’all would stop using that as why he’s the goat.
@@jimmyb4361 if he played 20 years he’d prolly be 7-0 lol. Also he didn’t hold up longer because the NBA is WAYYYYY softer now, if he gets grazed on the arm it’s a foul. Lebron gets foul calls all the time, just because he’s Lebron
Pound for pound LeBron is the greatest player we have seen. But he ain't ever getting the past the 6-0, the shoes and the fact that Jordan at this stage is basically a mythical figure.
Bron is number 2. Thats fine and there is nothing wrong with that. Jordan's legacy alone cannot be beaten. You have to beat somebody's planet to leapfrog him.
Pound for Pound MJ is the Greatest we’ve ever seen…Lebron is average at Rebounds, Blocks per his position…Jordan was elite at rebounds, blocks per his Position…MJ was faster, better post player, better shooter, better finisher, and a better defender…All Lebron has over Jordan is longevity stats
@@jhad777jordan it’s not a better Finsher at the rim then lebron bron get too the rim wayy easier then jordan & Wayy faster yall be tweaking with the comments💯
Jordan NEVER lost in a Finals game and was MVP in all of them. PERIOD!! When it comes down to it Broussard is right MJ’s teams never lost due to him quitting on his team or having a meltdown.
Jordan quoted on his team & fans 2x, duh remember. Theres a gap between the two year period..Alzheimers or emotions. Also those years gave 2yrs of rest. I consider them meltdowns, two, again feelings & passes. And you telling me a guy who 1/2 of all the years he played with no year(s) of rest went to the finals is not a goat stat? But yaw just wash it away, (remember not wilt or bill counts) talking modern bbal. See yaw whitewash MJ failures. And as far as dominated the whole league, well he didn't sniff the finals till his 7th year when all the greats got old & worn down. Had LBJ joined wade in his prime like Mike did with a young PIP & greatest coach ever, LBJ & Wade would have dominated the league too, look what they did in 4yrs! Gimme a break. Finally popular polls dont matter either Broussard, they are polls.
MJ never flopped for fouls. And he played both sides of the court until the game ending buzzer, when defense always matters! MJ was clutch, LJ is also a choke artist. A potential "goat" doesnt play like that. They win! Two 3 peat chips is amazing compared to Lebron's lost, blown out chances. MJ never got roasted like that! MJ was feared on the court! LJ just wants to be friends!
Jordan literally quit on his team and left after his gambling got his dad killed
@@jamarharris8184 they got 6 championships, because of him! He deserved to take the time off
@@jamarharris8184 Yeah Cuz His Dad Died And He Said A Year Before He Wanted To Play Baseball He Was Finna Make The Pros In The MLB Then Came Baxk 3 Peated Again! THATS CRAZY
The Spurs should've beaten the Heat in BOTH Finals. If it wasn't for Popovich taking Duncan out at the end, there's no 'rebound Bosh' and the assist to Ray Allen for 3 and the confetti is black silver and white because the Spurs win 4-2.
And the cavs should’ve beaten the warriors in 2015, 17, 18 finals but kyrie and love got hurt, durant joined the warriors.
Lol "should've"
@@johncena4096 2015 he still played bad and as the best player in the floor for both teams coming off 4 finals appearances 2 MVPs 2 FMVP and 2 rings he should’ve beaten the warriors without love and kyrie
2017 finajs was even and games 3 and 5 was winnable. Lebron just let kd out play him
@@judahmourneth1466 2017 was not even. Warriors had a way better bench and defense. Lebron literally avg 33 12 10 but yeah he got outplayed
@@judahmourneth1466 Lebron is obviously the goat if averaging 35 is considered bad
Love this show! Always a great debate between Nick and Chris!
I’ve seen both play and there is no doubt Jordan is better. Jordan hands down is the assassin of the two.
Dude, Lebron isn't even an assassin my guy!!!
I've seen both play and I disagree.
@@Banned4Life
Dude yall gotta stop with this nonsense live playing seen.
One is regarded as a Killer and the other is a nice guy.
@@Mercurial. Sure, and neither observation gives credence to either argument. The nice guy hits more buzzer beaters/game-winners in the playoffs at a higher percentage. The killer did worse.
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Lebron played more games and 10 000 more minutes then MJ so no wonder he has 1 more in buzzer beaters.
U wanna talk about being Killer Clutch or who's owning LeKlutch Sports 🧐
This same argument of them LONGEVITY ANALYTICS NUMBERS just bec Lebron played far longer seasons and minutes doesn't make him greater since he's the most FLAWED Superstar we seen in history.
"Fantasy" scenarios are a huge part of this debate it can't be conveniently ignored. We're comparing players that never played in the same NBA
You can absolutely compare their impact to the league and their achievements, example: MJ the most finals MVP awards in NBA history, LeBron the most finals game losses in NBA history, etc.
LBJ loses more than he wins
@@shaft9000 Yeah. How can the goat in ANY sport lose the trophy 6 times?
MJ will be considered GOAT as long as someone else emerges who actually dominates the league. MJ won the titles, the awards and the stats. He left nearly nothing for his peers. Lebron has been elite for longer, but he has never been AS ELITE AS MJ compared to his peers. He has never bullied the league like Jordan did.
Not to mention that Lebron has "chased the right roster" for the entire back half of his career, switching teams whenever he feels like the team doesn't have the chips to build around him. That is the ultimate stat padding. MJ didn't need to move. He knew he was winning those playoff series regardless.
Another critical thing that all these smartass pundits forget to mention is their career span. MJ only played for 13 seasons(2-3 seasons for the Wizards which let's be honest wasn't really MJ) while LeBron's been playing for almost 20 years. MJ took a break for 2 two seasons CAME back and won a three peat.
LeBron is just a different player. He's more comparable to Magic, with Charles Barkley's athleticism.
How did he leave nothing to his peers ? Did he win 13 rings in 13 years ? The lakers celtics pistons rockets all won during his years in the league
Did he ever beat prime lakers with magic and kareem ? Did he ever beat the celtics ? He only beat the pistons when they got old and injured
MJ dominated the league? He did ?
well why does he only have 6 championship? And only got there 6 times?????
@@jrsmith1998 6/13 > 4/20
That's easy math.
@@Tojohiruma I never said he dominated since his rookie year. Bulls were a bad team with subpar coaching. Only reason Doug Collins held the job for 3 years was that Jordan carried them far enough.
But once Bulls got the pieces around him, it was MJ who made sure they didnt slip. They won 6/6 titles possible in hos full seasons with the team. And he won FMVP, scoring titles etc in EACH of those years.
LBJ never established such dominance, despite his Heat team being ridiculously better than the competition.
That was a great debate. Valid points on both sides!
Agreed 💯
Nope, Broussard destroyed nick wrong 🤣
@@toxicjutz1168 nah you’re a blind hater. There are really good points on both sides
@@nathanmulchandani2869 lol nope kid..nick wrong got emotional again and brings feelings to a fact fight 🤣..Broussard was right, mj is and always will be goat
@@nathanmulchandani2869 Nick got emotional like always
6-time champion
5-time MVP
Even at 50 Lebron will not have these.
Kareem
6 time champion
6 time MVP
Even at 100 Jordan won't have these
@@sunmod1529 I agree so it should be Jordan and Kareem not Lebron
@Sun mud…. 🤔 how many finals mvps he got again chump ? Bc I know mj 6 for 6 the best in the world when he had his plus he DOMINATED scoring which was unheard of…. So again I ask how many FINALS MVPS ?
@@sunmod1529 MJ: 6-Time Finals MVP
Kareem: 2-Time Finals MVP
@@sunmod1529 Kareem lost in the finals
Jordan never admit he's the goat.
People around the world knows!
They both need to go on a 3 hour podcast episode with this topic, I’d watch it
The theories, fantasies and what-ifs, never gets old.
Greatest don't have any weaknesses. And keep in mind that free throws is a part of the game.
Wouldn’t three point shooting be considered a weakness in Jordan’s game? Even if shooting threes wasn’t as common back then, it was still a weakness.
@@brock5786 you mean the 3point contest? Cry on,bronsexual
@@brock5786 The 3 point shooting is definitely what can be considered the weakest part of Jordan's game...and it's at worst average. MJ shot at a career 3p% of 32.7%, and even averaged above 40% in two seasons. Jordan was an average 3 pt shooter at worst, and it's highly documented that the main reason for that was because he didn't want or need to have a high 3p%, so don't know if his weakest part of the game is actually a weakness
@@njldst2007 32.7% is below average, but it's not horrible. Also, "he didn't want to" isn't an excuse for a part of a player's game being below average. His three point shooting was definitely a weakness, but it wasn't terrible.
@@brock5786 That's my point, it wasn't terrible, and you have to remember there were many reasons for 3s not being a big part of a guard's game back in their time, one of which is that the 3 pt line wasn't as short as it is now. The 2 seasons in his prime where they did shorten the line (95-97), Jordan shot over 38%. "He didn't want to" can be a valid excuse if that part of the game was inconsequential to his play, which meant he didn't really need to develop it, and with how lethal Jordan was at mid-range and how good he was at getting to the rim, shooting 3s was an unnecessary risk for him. Over his career, he barely attempted more than 2 3s per game, that's how less of a factor it was for him.
I love when these two argue this particular topic it is extremely entertaining.
Next debate…would LA have won the championship without the pandemic?
No bec it was pick up game basketball that was played in the bubble 🤦🏾♂️
@@Mercurial. Nice! And no one wanted to be picked, they wanted out of the bubble.
@@kanebee6806
Imagine rolling out of bed into ur flip flops and out to eat breakfast and out on the Jersey within 5 min to get a bubble 💍 it's just absolutely absurd.
That playoffs will always be an asterisk over it.
I seriously doubt it, simply due to AD proving he can't stay healthy for a full season. That 5 months off really helped him.
@@Runforestrun 1000% that is always my point on this topic.
It is too hard to compare players from different era’s. I am old enough to have seen Kareem, Magic, Bird, MJ etc…. and the game was totally different. Without hand checking and the way they call fouls today MJ would be impossible to guard. He would average 45 a game today. Lebrun is an all time great and deserves all the accolades he gets. He is a much different player than MJ though, more like Magic. I will say though if I had one player in one game that I had to bet on to save my life it would be MJ or Larry.
You’re joking right… you do know that there are better defenders in this era compared to Jordans era right . You also do know that the defense rules made it easier to score and dominate back then right …
@@ifeanyichukwuozobu7819 if you think it was easier to score in the 80’s and 90’s than today without hand checking, then I don’t know what else to say. And by the way just about every NBA player who has been asked about Jordan playing today had said he would average over 40 a game easy. But hey some random guy on CZcams knows better than them.
Go listen to thinking basketball podcast and you will understand better. In addition, the closet copy or scorer you Jordan was Kobe , now ask yourself did Kobe average 40 every night?
@@ifeanyichukwuozobu7819 I do not need to listen to a podcast as I have seen the game change with my own eyes as I have been watching the NBA since the late 70’s. The big change was in 2004 when they changed the hand check rule. It was huge just like in the NFL when they implemented the 5 yard zone for defensive backs. It opened up the game and gave scorers that extra room. Kobe was great, but he wasn’tJordan. He led the league in scoring 2x versus Jordan 10x. You are entitled to your opinion and we can agree to disagree.
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Kobe's prime was in the most defensive Era in NBA history; the 2000s.
We talking about this new NBA starting in the 2010s with no defense...
nope, he cant, thers's no debate, Jordan is the G.O.A.T.
Chris is 100% right... Unfortunately Nick And Shay Sharpe have to weave complex narratives and "what ifs?" to make a case for Lebron. You can make Jordans case without mentioning ANYBODY ELSE. They have to diminish and downplay the validity of others achievements to pump up Lebron's less is more argument.. Coming back from 3-1 down is a bigger acheivement than NEVER BEING DOWN 3 GAMES? Its not like Lebron didnt play the first 4 games.
But to answer Nicks question.. The metric used when MJ officially passed his peers was the 3-Peat. That put him ahead of everyone (except the 60s Celtics). And he did it twice, retiring without defending for a 4th so was never actually dethroned. Lebron needed at least one 3-peat to match and a 4-peat to pass......
LeBron's not even better than *Kobe*
The man had two 3peats!! Case closed!! MJ is the GOAT!!
That’s just a lazy argument with that logic bill russel is the undisputed goat 11 championships in 13 years is objectively better than 6
Here Jordan has more MVPs more Finals MVP . An DYOP 10 scoring Titles . never choked in the Finals
@@paulwilliams2024 yeah cuz he had the best team in the league everytime. what lebron team could make the second round without him? none. putting a all time great on a already playoff team is gonna be overkill. not to mention dude got dogged out by 6'1 isiah thomas for 3 years straight and only won when they changed the rules.
@@RobinXlone hr had the best team because he was on the team
@@nathanmckenzie904 no he had the best team because they were a deep playoff team. 2nd round game 7 almost made ECF without him. No team without curry or lebron will ever even make the playoffs. Adding the best player in the league to an already solid playoff team is obviously gonna win chips
LeBron is my favorite player of all-time, MJ being my second favorite player. As of right now MJ is still the goat. The margin is small but there indeed is a margin. LeBron would have to at least win one more chip to surpass MJ, and win Finals MVP in that series. If he retires with 4 chips and 4 MVPs that's spectacular, but not enough to take 1st place.
I feel the same way
Agreed
It’s a huge margin skill wise and with accolades. MJ dominated the league on both ends in a way Bron just isn’t touching.
6× NBA champion (Back to Back 3-Peats)
6× NBA Finals MVP
5× NBA Most Valuable Player
14× NBA All-Star
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP
10× All-NBA First Team
All-NBA Second Team
NBA Defensive Player of the Year
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team
NBA Rookie of the Year
NBA All-Rookie First Team
10× NBA scoring champion
3× NBA steals leader
2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion
@@ComicsLamar Skill wise it’s extremely close, one can even argue Lebron wins out in that area since he’s elite at more facets of the game. It’s accolade wise that MJ has the edge. Like the Original Poster said, if Lebron can get to 5 rings and 5 finals MVPs, and somehow magically wins another regular season MVP to match MJ with 5. He’s the goat in my book. He’d have double the finals appearances, would be 1 rings shy. But would have all the longevity counting stats which do matter imo. Anyway this is all hypothetical, bron got maybe 3 years left so the door seems closed unfortunately.
@@ComicsLamar thats why jordan is the goat but its hard to deny lebron if he does get another chip and finals mvp. I grew up watching kobe which made me watch jordan so i feel like mj is the goat regardless but lebron has a case if he gets another ring. I wont make the case lol but others will which will be hard to argue along with his stats.
If LeBron won "9 in a row" that would make him the GOAT even counting Dallas series. Another BS argument by Nick.
Nick is a emotional lebron Meat Rider. Broussard hit him with a checkmate by avoiding hypotheticals. Lebron didnt win as much as Jordan did. Nick has to live with that. Yes Duncan was old. Yes lebron had 6 top75 players and Duncan has none and lebron STILL got embarrassed. With the Lakers looking whack this year and lebron window closing in the league the LBJ cry babies are facing reality. Lebron will come up short in rings and accolades. And that doesnt help you pass Jordan🤷🏽♂️😂
That wasn’t Nick making an argument lol that was a question. Smh
@@doesntmatter6453 still not worse than Jordan fans I don’t care
@@doesntmatter6453 what good coach has lebron had?
@@Youngmoneycashmoney nobody is a "good/great coach" until they win. Maybe except George carl and jerry sloan. But micheal, pippen, kobe and Shaq made Phil. Spolstra is pretty good. He may go down as a hall of famer 1 day. Like Micheal jordan always said... Coaches make plays but PLAYERS win Championships. Get away from that weak argument
There never was a debate, Michael Jordan is the GOAT. 1. He won more with less help, 2. Better offensive player, 10 scoring titles, 5 regular season MVP, 6 times FMVP and 3 times all-star MVP. 3. Better defensive player, 1 time Defensive of the year, 1st team all NBA defense 9 times and 3 times Steal Leader, so if he's better offensively and defensively what is their left? 4. He won more titles in less time, 6 times NBA Champion and 2-3peat. 5. 2 times Slam dunk Champion. Lastly, Jordan didn’t need longevity to do what he did.
P.S.
MJ is the only player in NBA history to win the NBA's scoring title, regular-season MVP, the NBA championship, Finals MVP, and make an NBA All-Defensive team in the same season. On top of that, he was able to achieve this in 4 different seasons; 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, and 1997-98. He would have achieved it 6 times, but the NBA awarded the MVP to Charles Barkley in 1993, and to Karl Malone in 1997. If Jordan had won MVP in those years, he would have had 6 seasons where he accomplished each of these milestones. Case closed.
Please stop this nonsense comparisons. Once LeBron retires he will be quickly forgotten and someone else will be compared to MJ not LeBron.
100% agree
That's a lie
This last argument by Nick Right was spot on. No body actually believes that any other player in all those years LeBron's lost the finals could have changed the result
Lebron is 0-5 in game winners in the NBA Finals.
They wouldn't have had to. They only needed to outplay LeBron. Jordan would have. He would have won against Dallas in 2011. He would have beaten the Spurs in 2013, probably in less than 7. And he would have either beaten the Spurs in 2014 or taken it to 7 games. Jordan took more difficult shots than LeBron, which is why his field goal percentage was slightly lower. Only slightly, but he was still more clutch.
He wouldn’t have beaten that spurs team, stop it. He wouldn’t have beaten the Spurs in 07 either. MJ bums.
@@DWADEDABEST243Lebron was not good in 07, the games were close, Jordan easily beats the Spurs in that series. Lebron put up Scottie Pippen numbers that series and shot 36% from the field 😂.
@@DWADEDABEST243lebron bums trying yet failing
“You’re bringing feeling to a fact fight.”
BBROUSSARD FROM THE TOP ROPE!
Nah nick came back with smoke tho
BIG MF FACTSSSS
The thing that always bothers me about this debate is they always fail to mention COACHING. Both Kobe and MJ won under arguably the greatest NBA coach of all time! It is one thing to be a great player yourself.. but great coaching helps the other players around you to play at their fullest potential and puts you in the best position to win. Lebron has given titles to coaches that SHOULD NOT and WOULD NOT have a title under their belt if not for his greatness as a player.
That's actually on Lebron. He always gets rid of coaches or overrule them. He got rid of David Platt after making the finals for his buddy Ty Lue. He actually wanted to get rid of Erik Spoelstra but Pat Riley said no. I get sometimes the matches were too lopsided and the coaches weren't great but that's how own fault so it's hard to feel sorry for him. He made super teams trendy and made player empowerment a thing but other players did it better than him. He is an amazing talent and one of the greats but he is way too hands on for his own good.
When did Phil become the greatest coach…before MJ or after. I’m confused
@@vincegonzalez6804 never said it was anyones fault.. just noting that he has never had the benefit of great coaching... but still has 4 titles..
@@officialcworldentertainmen9399 coach spo was and is a great coach, Lebron just didn’t stay there long enough for him to get credit.
@@judahmourneth1466 Spo has 2 titles because of Lebron's dominance.. he's cool but he's no Phil Jackson
11:13 “because he didn’t” lmao
Never lose on the biggest stage gives this kind of "immortality" superior dominance to MJ. The US public can't even comprehend the impact of MJ around the world after all these years! his peers look at him, almost bow! LBJ doesn't have that aura that's the biggest difference.
“Would you lower the prices for your shoes since the majority who support them are low income black and minorities?”
Jordan “My shoes aren’t for poor people!”
And just like that I lost all respect….
Rounds don't count for anything, winning finals does ! It took bron longer to win his first. How could you be the goat if you may have to play 19 to 23 years to years to ringchase ? When mj played only 15?
losing more than you've won is another 'biggest difference'
@@jumponey losing in the finales is worse than losin in the first round is a lame Jordan fan logic
@@kiarra_volleyball23 "He won all six but what about the other years. Half the time he couldn't get out the first round. Goat James by a mile and its really not close"
Rookie Jordan on the 1984-85 Chicago Bulls lost in the first round to Milwaukee. Next, in 1985-87 over two years they get beat in the first round by one of the greatest NBA teams of all time, the 1985-87 Boston Celtics. In 1988-1990 for two years they make it to the Conference Finals and get beat by a two-peat “Jordan Rules” Bad Boy Detroit Pistons team. Chicago then won their first three-peat starting in 1990-91.
Lebron’s Cavs missed the playoffs entirely from 2003-2005. In 2005-2006 they made it to the 2nd round Eastern Conference Semifinals before losing to the Pistons. In 2006-2007 made it to the NBA finals against the Spurs before losing. In 2007-08 Lebron’s Cavs were eliminated in the 2nd round against the Celtics. In 2008-09 Lebron’s Cavs were eliminated in the 3rd round Conference Finals by the Orlando Magic. In 2009-2010 Lebron’s Cavs were eliminated in the 2nd round by the Celtics. Then came Lebron’s little “Decision” move to Miami Heat. In 2010-2011 Lebron’s Heat made it to the finals against the Mavericks, losing in probably the greatest meltdown any NBA player of Lebron’s magnitude with a superteam like he had has ever had. He literally quit during the series, as his own teammate Eddie House accused. FINALLY, in 2011-2012, Lebron won his first title with the Heat against a much weaker OKC.
So let me get this right, you have cute accusations about MJ not getting out of the first round, when Jordan actually made the playoffs every year, unlike Lebron. Jordan makes it to two straight Conference Finals after only three years, with Jordan getting to and winning three finals in a row after that, so only SIX years after getting to the league he won his record breaking three-peat. Lebron fails to make it to the playoffs his first two years, he loses in the playoffs in the 2nd round three different times, the 3rd round once, making it to but losing in the NBA finals twice, the last time in the one of the greatest meltdowns ever, before FINALLY winning the Finals after NINE years? But while he won again the next year, it only a two-peat??
In what delusional reality is this superior to MJ? In what clown world is this a legitimate accusation to make against MJ when Lebron’s actual stats and history are FAR worse? And guess what, MJ didn’t have some big “DECISION” where he stabbed his own hometown team in the back to move to Miami to form a superteam just to finally win a championship. Jordan took his team from losers to one of the greatest teams of all time, if not the greatest. Lebron? We know from numerous reporting that Lebron, Chris Bosh, and Dwyane Wade all got together and discussed among themselves their upcoming 2010 free agencies together in 2006, YES 2006, and that Lebron decided back then that he would join with them to win a Championship. He wanted Bosh and Wade to take on more of the offensive load and he specifically wanted to try to be the first player since Oscar Robertson to average a triple-double in a season. Let me repeat that. This is in 2006 over four years before he decided to make his big “DECISION” for Miami and he already knew he was leaving because he and Bosh/Wade had already agreed to it. AND THIS WAS THE YEAR THAT THE CAVS WENT TO THE FINALS.
THAT is Lebron, that certainly isn’t Jordan. Lebron is no GOAT.
Chris, all of this is hypothetical. They are two players that never played each other or even played in the same era. There is no non-hypothetical debate. I agree with Jordan's comment from years ago, you can't really compare across eras, it will always end up being too vague and hypothetical.
Don't need to see it to know that mj is the superior basketball player and it's not close. Lebron pads his stats and mj is the much more skilled player. Lebron plays in a much higher pace era that's also easier to score in yet mj still averages more points.
@@fredmiller2335 I think you missed the point 😂
@@fredmiller2335 how can you be so arrogant to say something like that? Yeah, Mj CAN be the superior but it is close. Maybe Mj is 1, LBJ is 2 or vice versa... but they are the 2 best players that have ever walked on this earth. People that think that Michael would destroy Lebron are delusional.
@@caioleal6177 lebron isn't even top 5. Mj is better offensively and defensively so it's not close.
@@TCOTEevari I get the point. I just don't agree. Just cause we didn't get to see them play in the same era doesn't mean we can't watch both them play put the eras into context tell that one player is better than the other. Mj won 6 championships with scottie pippen as his second best player. Lebron has had dwade, kyrie, and AD (all better than pippen) as his second options and still won less while changing teams to put himself in the best position to win since 2010.
As Broussard said. MJ is the only superstar that he never had a meltdown
He also didn’t beat any team better than the teams lebron or magic beat
@@mistaincredible2573 of course cuz jordan and the bulls was the boss every year he won the championship
@@Mj-vh8gc because none of them were dynasties lol it was a cake walk
@@mistaincredible2573 of course they're not cause jordan and the bulls beat them all shut up mf
@@Mj-vh8gc you don’t know basketball lol you prolly never played in ya life
Realistically lebron should have three titles.
realistically two. First one in Miami and the bubble one. The second Miami one they won with a miracle Ray Allen shot. In 2016 the league helped Cavs from being gentlemen swept in 5.
@@cavy369 You mean the one where LeBron single-handedly led a Heat comeback before Allen's 3, and where he hit the game 7 winner to ice the game? And when he led both teams in every statistical category going for 41 in back-to-back games with a triple double in game 7? Those are the ones he didn't do much in? Go figure.
That Bubble ring don't count huh? 😂
Chris Killed him!! "You bring emotions to a fact fight!" lol
Honestly Bron can destroy all records n beat everyone in the league n ppl will still yell Jordan’s the goat.
Bc longevity records don’t mean you the goat🤷🏽♀️
No Lebron can pass him it's just gonna take a while Lebron needs to win at least two more rings. Jordan has a better record vs 50 and 60 win teams in the playoffs so even if LeBron gets to 6 rings Jordan has the advantage because he beat the better competition.
It's not like Lebron can't catch Jordan it's just that he likely won't. But if he does that would be so cool
Because Lebron has lost repeatedly and gotten embarrassed several times in the finals…numbers mean nothing in a loss my friend….look at it his year, the Lakers are barely in the playoffs race but Lebron is putting up great numbers and will eventually pass Kareem all-time….don’t confuse good stats with winning bruh
@@metalpharaoh3025 He does it better than JorBUM including clutch shots with a Higher percentage except free throws. Like nick said:" stop with your feelings over facts." Low iq bum
Longevity is where Bron is at. Not the goat
"You're bring feelings to a fact fight"...love that
That was a drop the moment right there
i'm going to rewind it to hear it again lol
You got Dallas, you got the finals sweep, you got the assemble of super team, after super team and not be able to capitalize. And you add it up to someone who was perfect. How can you beat that? Thats what it always comes down to. How can lebron surpass perfection?
he isnt perfect though he lost to the bad boys multiple times difference is it wasnt in the finals
@@jaybrick8973 first of all whats the worst you can say about mj in his prime? He had a avg 3 pt shot? Everybody knows 1 person cant beat a team even the goat mj needed help just like lebron. No the playoffs is not the same as the finals. Once in the finals thats a different monster. Mj nvr lost. Lebron lost 6 times.
@@4ntonio4lvarezand LeBron faced way better competition in the finals
@@sportstalkonly1442 point being? Lebron had a easier road to the finals in the leastern conference. He got shutdown by jason terry and the mavs. There is no need to bring anything else up.🤷♂️
@@4ntonio4lvarez Jordan got shutdown by the pistons.
The fact that it’s even a continuous debate speaks volumes.
It's not a debate, they're just pushing it to make money! Lebron is not top 5! He's not better than Kobe and Duncan
@@thesoundtheater and people watch because they’re interested in the debate.
It contentious due to Fan Bases not FACTS. it's not close Jordan rules
@@bpraise517 exactly, whatever it’s based on, it’s still a continuous debate.
@@thesoundtheater I agree with your first statement and the nba are pushing it for marketing purposes etc. but Lebron James is greater then Kobe and Duncan but he doesn’t touch MJ
Chris knows….millennials grew up with the tail-end of Jordan. We know he’s the GOAT.
Michael Jordan had 2 separate 3 peats LeBron has 0 even after the Miami Big 3. Arguments OVER!
We are still considering that the level of competition is the same in both eras.
After Jordan put the world on notice, every nation, every kid has improve enormously, that is why we have the level of basketball we have today. I will say it was easier back then as there were less super stars in the league.
@@WhitePenguinLive good point, players are no doubt in better shape and more athletic in todays game then they were back then BUT there's also things things players did back in the day better than players do in todays game, men were men, not wanna be A.I.'s
Bro by the time it was the 3rd and 4th heat finals wade wasn’t even the SAME
the talent level is just higher now
@@Youngmoneycashmoney Pippen was not the same in 98. He missed 44games that year. When the Bulls won 72 games Rodman missed 18 games. In 2014 the old Spurs destroyed the Heat by a record margin.
Nick will never win this argument using hypothetical what if . My god.
I just saw him win the debate live. I love Broussard but he was in shambles at the end
Nick is always "Wright"❤
There's nothing wrong with Lebron being second best or vice versa, depending on your view. With all the people that have been fortunate enough to play the game, being in the top 100 of that, is an accomplishment only a few can claim. Their legacy isn't the stats, its their influence on the future generations to continue playing the sport.
💯 I like them both
He's not 2nd. He's not even top 10. Not with 6 finals losses
@@bradybryant1770 lol stop
I agree with your point. I don’t necessarily care who is number one. But for the athletes in the conversation, and the hardcore fans, it does mean a whole lot. Being the best at something and being the second best at something is a big difference in sports.
But who is trying to play like Bron now? Jordan single handily influenced the entire league and popularized the sports
Nick seems not to understand that the goal is winning the championship
Wonder if Michael Jordan refused to sign an autograph for Nick Wright. The dude is a hater but he has to deal with the fact that Jordan is the GOAT
he didn’t diminish anything jordan did. he was simply asking if jordan would be more successful in lebrons situations
He's like that with Kobe as well🤣🤣
@@ikngzdroiid ex-players and coaches alike say that Jordan would dominate this era of basketball, Steve Kerr recently stated that Jordan would have become one of the best 3 ball shooters if he played today. Not my words.
"You are bringing feelings to a fact fights" Good Game Set
poor nick, just getting blown away
Jordan; 6-0 in Finals, 6 MVPs.
James; 4-6, playing for 3 different teams, looking for players he could win with.
You can’t be the GOAT with 6 Finals losses, and 4 wins.
U think if Jordan moved around the league and didn't play only with pippin he still would've been 6-0 in the finals ? LeBron moved around the league a lot n he had to build a team wherever he went ofcourse he wasn't gonna go 6-0
Lmao so if a rookie averaged 75 points per game and dragged to kings to the finals and lost and kept being the kings to the finals averaging 50 ppg or more for 10 straight years goes to the finals every year from rookie year with the kings and goes 3/10 in the finals he can’t be the goat? Lol jordan is mythical at this point commin from a guy who watched him
Lbj fans be like "the competition was too hard" like that sh*t aupposed to be easy! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ Lbj fans run to "teammates" for an excuse too every time lebron didnt win but NOBODY blames Jordan's teammates or Kobe teammates when they lost in playoffs. Its such a childish excuse
This is great 🔥Lebron/Nick v MJ/CB it’s about to get good now we gon have a debate.And there is a debate ! Great segment 👌🏽
Nick make's up this clutch arguement, like clutch means the last 5 seconds of the game. From watching those games, MJ had a game plan from the time they started the game and when it came down to the last 5mins, you notice him change to a different person. Like someone obsessed. If you pull out the numbers, MJ took more shots in the last 5mins and scored at a hight percentage. His defence picked up as well.
Chris broussard destroyed and cooked Nick Wright 🔥🔥🔥🔥💀💀💀🥩
This was a great debate, I wish it was longer. Both guys came with great points, I think MJ i the GOAT but I agree with Nick that there's a lot of "feelings" about Jordan and the myth of Jordan is bigger than the actual legacy of the man.
I want to see its full video
Preach Nick!!
This was a Battle, these two went back n forth. I give the nod to nick today
nah chris defiantly one that
Michael Jordan greatest of all time, 🐐
Chris was on it with this one ☝🏾
Can @NickWright show the stats on the defensive end? SPG, BPG, Defensive Rating.
Antoine Walker made Nick Wrong cry like a little girl and run off🤣🤣🤣
Lebron never locked down the league tho. He locked down a weak eastern conference which gave him more opportunities to go to the finals. Kobe, Dirk, Duncan played their whole career in the west where u had to battle every year. Doing lebrons era u could win 35 games in the east and make the playoffs. But the casuals will ignore the FACTS
so was jordan’s era west weak? only 3 teams have been significant in the west. lakers, rockets, and spurs
The only time in LeBron's career where an Eastern team made the playoffs with 35 wins was Philly in 2012. In a 66 game season, so their record was 35-31. That same year Dallas made the western playoffs with 36-30.
@@ikngzdroiid lord. Melo nuggets Nash suns etc
Lmao Jordan played in an EXPANSION ERA 😂
wildes just sitting there loving the chaos lmao
I don’t understand why they compare scoring averages, in the 90s it was normal to see a game with a final score of 88-79. This clearly means Jordan’s 30 is more impressive as it is a larger share of point total. LeBron’s era an average final score maybe 116-109
It’s funny how people pretend the Bulls loss to the Magic never happened. Like I literally never heard about it until I was an adult because thats how much the NBA media erased it from history.
They ignore Jordan’s 9 other years he played lol
How funny you ignore lesteroid 6 final losses 🤣
10 scoring titles. 6- 0 in the finals
He did not start that season. He is also 6-0 in finals...
@@cedpete7434 bill russell 11 rings , kareem 6 rings
Rest In Peace Nick Wright!
Thank you my Chris !! My word I’m so sick of this stupid debate!!
Wildes' just smirking in the background
This is my favorite debate of my two favorite personalities. They’re both straight forward and reasonable which makes their takes authentic. Nick is an absolute MASTER of debate because he uses logic. He demonstrated in real time that Chris is in fact, feelings over facts.
Nick uses logic? Lmao 🤣🤣🤣Nick is the same guy that said LeBron gets 2 rings for the Cavs chip and 2 rings for the Lakers chip.
@@jasonlyle4113 lmfAo Wesley definitely is a bronsexual 🤣🤣
@@jasonlyle4113 ?
Nick is a master of stupidity and nonsense
Lmao Nick acts like a fan boy to the max.
Never, Jordan did it with one team in a way different game of basketball where they played both defense and offense! Nowadays it’s about being a mercenary and super teams. Back then just about every team was a super team with a, b and c level players. Jordan had the pacers, knicks, heat, hornets, cavs, pistons, Celtics, suns, sonics, jazz, rockets, trailblazers, spurs. Nowadays it’s who? Warriors, suns.
i thought lebron created super teams? now you’re saying teams were stacked back then?
@@ikngzdroiid LeBron created collusion and team-hopping to eliminate rivalry and competition within a conference. That's why from all his trips to the finals, still trails MJ in finals games won 24-22 and is the all-time leader in finals games lost and in 2nd place for finals series lost. He hasn't been able to achieve that in the west as evident by missing the playoffs entirely his first year there reminiscent of how he didn't reach the playoffs until his third season in the east. The teams that did develop organically that he faced in the finals all have a winning record against him (Mavs, Warriors, Spurs etc). These are the calibre of teams that existed through the 80s and 90s and are responsible for MJ having eliminated the most 60+ win teams in NBA history with a 7-2 record. At this moment in time, LeBron has only beaten three 60+ win teams largely in part to his collusion which voided the eastern conference of any real rivalry or competition in his 16 years there, as evident by MJ winning six rings in a seven year span and it taking the post-MJ eastern conference 20 years to win the same amount.
Jordan played against plumbers and substitute teachers. Sorry buddy but Jordan never won a playoff series without pippin
@@timmystool3349 Shaq was swept 5 times against plumbers? Yes Jordan carried Pippen out the 1st round, why do you praise Pippen for being carried?
Other teams also created super teams to beat Lebron, so it evens out😂 it’s not like Lebron created super teams and faced a bunch of scrubs. Player mobility allowed him to create stacked teams and also allowed other teams to become stacked too.
I’d take Kobe over Lebron.
Bingo
Nick looks very sick. Jordan is the best - period.
Nick got him so good with the clutch facts over feelings. This is what debate shows should be.
Not really. LeBron has played way longer and Jordan dominated so he wouldnt even need to be in that situation that much
You cannot be the G.O.A.T. with a losing finals record (4-6) - it’s that simple 🤷🏾♂️
Nick is so wrong, again. Why would you even try to debate LeBron over MJ?