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  • LeBron James becomes the first player to score 40K points. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes discuss this new milestone and how much this weighs into the ongoing GOAT debate between LeBron and Michael Jordan.
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  • @FirstThingsFirst
    @FirstThingsFirst  Před 2 měsíci +25

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    • @davidbaggs2273
      @davidbaggs2273 Před 2 měsíci

      Nick your a nut man

    • @everythingclub599
      @everythingclub599 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Brussard so we Punishing lebron for choosing to keep playing, for remaining healthy & for investing his money & work ethics to basketball?? Or does it only apply to us punishing michael for choosing to retiring, for choosing not to win those 8 rings you claim?

    • @medved4030
      @medved4030 Před 2 měsíci +2

      LeBron needed to build superteams to win any Championships. Jordan didn't. Thats the difference. MJ GOAT!

    • @alifresh_3520
      @alifresh_3520 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@medved4030 what MJ do before Pip and Rodman? Yeah I didn't think so.

    • @YungLanxx
      @YungLanxx Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@medved4030
      Jordan: 6x All NBA teammates, 9x All Defensive teammates, 6x teammates that made All NBA and All Defensive team in the same season for his career.
      Lebron: 5x All NBA teammates, 2x All Defensive teammates, 1x teammate that made All NBA and All Defensive team in the same season for his career.
      This isn’t counting finals competition in comparison lol

  • @stillsuperfly1
    @stillsuperfly1 Před 2 měsíci +806

    Omg seeing you guys again is like seeing my dad actually come back with the milk 🥛

  • @jeffwilson7086
    @jeffwilson7086 Před 2 měsíci +311

    We need to bring Title Pie Back

    • @ThinkingDisorder
      @ThinkingDisorder Před 2 měsíci +4

      i know its coming this week or next week

    • @legacymindset9284
      @legacymindset9284 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Why? So he can say the lakers have the best chance even tho their the 10th seed

    • @ThinkingDisorder
      @ThinkingDisorder Před 2 měsíci +15

      @@legacymindset9284 he wasn’t wrong last year

    • @barrsftw
      @barrsftw Před 2 měsíci

      Can we get a GOAT pie segment? All sports. GOAT of all GOATS. Brady gets a portion, Mahomes, Lebron, Jordan etc.

    • @caper087
      @caper087 Před 2 měsíci

      Maybe steroid pie? 🤷‍♂️

  • @4evahodlingdoge226
    @4evahodlingdoge226 Před 2 měsíci +560

    Only missing 39 games in your first 10 years is insane.

    • @truckerstar5830
      @truckerstar5830 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Who’s that Andre miller ??

    • @Tunechi65
      @Tunechi65 Před 2 měsíci +60

      We're taking LEBRON for granted

    • @2014thetruth
      @2014thetruth Před 2 měsíci +22

      NO, outside of serious injuries and a partial retirement... missing only 7 ( I REPEAT 7) games in 13 season is insane. While playing ALL 82 games at 39 is insane.

    • @justincarter2417
      @justincarter2417 Před 2 měsíci +37

      And if it wasn't for his groin injury in 2019 he'd have beaten Kareem's record a year earlier.

    • @UnivalentpureG
      @UnivalentpureG Před 2 měsíci +14

      He also only played 82 games once

  • @samuelkabala9528
    @samuelkabala9528 Před 2 měsíci +88

    Did Brou jusy say "at 22, he doesn't know"?😂

    • @SpencyP92
      @SpencyP92 Před 2 měsíci +11

      For real, that was absolutely asinine. Ain't no way he's proud of that lol

    • @michaelgeorge6153
      @michaelgeorge6153 Před měsícem +2

      He's in denial

    • @Khalidsworjd
      @Khalidsworjd Před měsícem +3

      Brou is letting his emotions and ball suckin get in the way of his logic made no sense

    • @lyndonfair9850
      @lyndonfair9850 Před měsícem

      Who doesn't know

  • @TheDarren1423
    @TheDarren1423 Před 2 měsíci +398

    I would pay good money to see Nick take this argument to Stephen A.

    • @alimul642
      @alimul642 Před 2 měsíci +79

      Nick will cook him as well, SAS always dismisses people's argument when he's losing ground without making a more compelling case

    • @newajadennis
      @newajadennis Před 2 měsíci +45

      I’ve been watching nick making his labron argument for like 6 years haven’t seen him lost a debate yet

    • @wcarlosbrown
      @wcarlosbrown Před 2 měsíci +21

      Brou is 25X times smarter than screamin A. It would be a slaughter

    • @mattdobson7598
      @mattdobson7598 Před 2 měsíci +9

      I would love to see Nick make an adult argument then get yelled at nonsensically for 10 minutes. Great television

    • @DaneRobertson85
      @DaneRobertson85 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Nick argument is terrible but he would crush SAS 😂

  • @j.ryandugan2400
    @j.ryandugan2400 Před 2 měsíci +283

    Brou is so wary of Nick’s wizardry he let out the loud “NO” to prevent the damage

    • @kennethstone4590
      @kennethstone4590 Před 2 měsíci +54

      Nick was killing em!!! Nobody argues for lebron better than Shannon and Nick wright!!! Hella good points tho. I didn’t know lebron was the first to so many points

    • @TheRockisaBondMovie
      @TheRockisaBondMovie Před 2 měsíci

      You guys are morons if you think nick was killing him 😂 nick was so flustered and grasping at straws he couldn’t see straight hahah gtfoh

    • @marcusarmijo0824
      @marcusarmijo0824 Před 2 měsíci +9

      As opposed to Nick saying anything he can to put down Jordan! His opinion is tainted!

    • @randylall647
      @randylall647 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Of course he is the youngest, he started at 18. We should go with how many games it took to reach milestones.

    • @matthewdaniels709
      @matthewdaniels709 Před 2 měsíci +8

      ​@@marcusarmijo0824Jordan fans do it to LeBron Everytime also it's not one sided...

  • @cukuceral
    @cukuceral Před 2 měsíci +79

    Did this man, just say, the 2007 cavaliers was a better team...

    • @perspectivlogxlakers-fando4423
      @perspectivlogxlakers-fando4423 Před 2 měsíci +10

      I think he did. I laughed so hard my rib cage hurts. And I’m an old head. The ‘90s bulls were known as the unstoppabulls.

    • @TsukiRaiki
      @TsukiRaiki Před 2 měsíci +2

      i just rememebr the spurs absolutely humiliating the cavs in that finals and sweep.. even tony park outscored lebron lmao

    • @famohsen
      @famohsen Před 2 měsíci +19

      Bru was talking about lebrons 2007 cavs vs Jordan’s 1984 bulls which is yes the cavs were better than the 84 bulls

    • @taegotkash
      @taegotkash Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@famohsenthis very well may be true. You could argue Rookie 22 Jordan was better than 2007 22 Lebron.

    • @OnyieOnyeabor007
      @OnyieOnyeabor007 Před 2 měsíci +6

      ​@@perspectivlogxlakers-fando4423he was comparing the bulls in the 80s

  • @chasevincent7623
    @chasevincent7623 Před 2 měsíci +29

    The 22 question was golden

  • @ZandeKongo
    @ZandeKongo Před 2 měsíci +284

    That 22 question had Brou stuck. 😂

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci +21

      It was a dumb question 😂I’d have been stuck too, like “is this guy joking or is he that stupid?”

    • @skillethead15
      @skillethead15 Před 2 měsíci +91

      @@xxtopgunxx8764it’s not stupid. What was stupid is Broussard trying to dismiss longevity completely for the GOAT debate. Probably because in the past, longevity just meant you were a shell of your former self being a role player somewhere like Vince Carter or Paul Pierce. But LeBron has shattered that mold and at 39 is still one of the best players in the NBA. The only reason that question doesn’t matter to you guys is because it favors LeBron.

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci +26

      @@skillethead15 Brou never dismissed longevity, that’s why he has him 2nd all time. He said peak was more important. And MJs peak dwarfs Lebrons, MJs best years vs Lebrons best years. Nick was trying to pick an age or a stretch of games that benefited Lebron, he never even mentioned a single season, other than MJs rookie season. That’s because, MJs best season statistically beats any season lebron played. He actually has multiple seasons like that. But Nick only focused on age, or a 27 game stretch to make Lebron seem better. That’s not how that works.

    • @FatherManus
      @FatherManus Před 2 měsíci +23

      @@skillethead15 Longevity doesn’t trump winning. Everyone knows Lebron has the stats to be the GOAT. But he needed to win more. Now it’s too late. You can’t make up the winning deficit with longevity. And MJ has a better argument since he won more in less time. Lebron won less when he had far more time to do it.

    • @thunderouso6662
      @thunderouso6662 Před 2 měsíci +23

      Bill Russell
      10 chips as player
      7 straight GOAT

  • @manelmoreiraa_
    @manelmoreiraa_ Před 2 měsíci +317

    Brou’s argument that lebron would be better off retired is crazy

    • @TopFrequencyMusic
      @TopFrequencyMusic Před 2 měsíci +73

      Thats how delusional he is mj fans are running put of arguments

    • @smoove3968
      @smoove3968 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@TopFrequencyMusichuh

    • @ronniekregar3482
      @ronniekregar3482 Před 2 měsíci +12

      Lol, there isn't a single thing Lebron can add to his legacy at this point...but more power to him I guess, it's impressive

    • @ronniekregar3482
      @ronniekregar3482 Před 2 měsíci +17

      ​​@@TopFrequencyMusiclol, it's the Lebron fans that keep running out of arguments cuz God forbid we call him the second greatest player ever lol.

    • @ian_ford
      @ian_ford Před 2 měsíci

      It's not just MJ sycophants, it's now Kobe sycophants who are teaming up to spread innuendo, lies, and fallacies to discredit LeBron. That's what it's come to: A character assassination game.

  • @bluemedia5874
    @bluemedia5874 Před 2 měsíci +52

    Let this sink in. He has more points than legends Bird & Magic combined but he also has assisted on enough baskets that he’d rank 23 all time ahead of Reggie Miller just off assisted baskets. That’s insane because that’s scored and assisted on over 65k points

    • @gorevarix4036
      @gorevarix4036 Před 2 měsíci +5

      And yet, the teams sacrifice winning games all for Lebrons stats. 4-21, everyone focuses on his individual stats when its a team game and his teams fail most of the time he does well. But ya know...as long as Lebron gets his stats, its not his fault.

    • @bluemedia5874
      @bluemedia5874 Před 2 měsíci +1

      You couldn’t be more wrong. He’s a pass first player and not a ball hog like Kobe and others. He scored a lot because of having people like Matthew D. as the second best player in the playoffs against the warriors. Love and Irving was hurt. Not to mention Lebron won 20 playoff series without a top 75 player and Jordan hasn’t won any without at top 75 player. See Jordan never won an nba playoff series without Pippen a top 75 player. The only thing you hear about though is how lebron joined others. Lebron has won series with less people but fans are hung up on 6 for 6 in the finals. Jordan wasn’t 6 for 6 but his team was. Let’s just agree that the bulls had the best TEAM ever. I still think MJ had the highest peak and is goat but Lebron is getting closer all the time

    • @gorevarix4036
      @gorevarix4036 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@bluemedia5874 Lebron and everyone celebrated his 40k points, but yet...they lost.

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@bluemedia5874 Lebron isn’t getting closer anymore. Total numbers don’t dictate the goat debate. Unless you’re thinking he’s going to win more accolades or rings, then he’s not getting closer.

    • @bluemedia5874
      @bluemedia5874 Před 2 měsíci

      @@xxtopgunxx8764 I’m exhausted about hearing about rings. Rings are won by teams not just by a player. I get it the goat has to be a champion but If rings define the goat then Robert Horry has 7 so I guess he’s the goat

  • @whosemfnpodcastisthis9398
    @whosemfnpodcastisthis9398 Před 2 měsíci +32

    It’s getting to a point they really having a hard time justifying the bias. That 22 question had Broussard on his back

    • @jaji6883
      @jaji6883 Před 2 měsíci +2

      0 seconds ago
      I’ve been making that point for years. Bron has been better at every age. Imagine having twin sons. At 18 ones is winning NCAA chip and the other is NBA RoY. At 22 one is RoY and the other is in the Finals.

    • @jerryandzswag
      @jerryandzswag Před měsícem +3

      @@jaji6883 Bron is definitely not better at every age. Bron was in his 4th year while Mike just got into the league. Their stats were similar during their 22 year old years. That says a lot about Mike since his game was barely developed in his first year.

    • @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff
      @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff Před měsícem

      @@jaji6883 Just because a player enters the NBA at a later age than another player does not mean the older player is/was not as good and by all means could surpass the player with the earlier start. And that is EXACTLY what Jordan did. He was kinda a dark horse as far as Greatest of All Time “title”. But boy did it begin to become evident as he progressed through the years, but even as a rookie he was amazing. Lebron had this label PUT on him BECAUSE of Mike. Although he for the most part lived up to the hype, he never quite reached Jordan status

    • @markbelin9869
      @markbelin9869 Před měsícem

      ​@@jaji6883f.o.h with the cap

  • @xcwilliams7980
    @xcwilliams7980 Před 2 měsíci +344

    Chris saying rookie Jordan is better than 48 special Lebron sums up MJ fans tbh

    • @cheetosleopard9861
      @cheetosleopard9861 Před 2 měsíci

      Ain’t no talking with them they minds been made up

    • @Svarog187
      @Svarog187 Před 2 měsíci +46

      Nick mentioning 40 k points but never that Lebron is BY FAR the TURNOVER leader sums up all this longevity talk tbh

    • @coreythomas3633
      @coreythomas3633 Před 2 měsíci +82

      ​@@Svarog187LEBRON ALSO 4TH IN ASSIST ALL TIME. PROVES HE BETTER THAN. MJ

    • @raulromero2948
      @raulromero2948 Před 2 měsíci +5

      He said he would go with bron did you not watch the same thing he was just arguing that bron had a better team

    • @LeftoverTake
      @LeftoverTake Před 2 měsíci +36

      @@Svarog187thinking longevity stats are less impressive when players try to play as long as possible sums up Jordan fans🤣

  • @cameronhall6665
    @cameronhall6665 Před 2 měsíci +139

    Sometimes you just can’t have a debate with people because emotion eventually takes logic

    • @nicoesparza7443
      @nicoesparza7443 Před 2 měsíci +4

      That’s why it’s not a debate and never was.

    • @noahjackson5099
      @noahjackson5099 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Idk which side either of yall are on

    • @mobetta2092
      @mobetta2092 Před měsícem +2

      @@noahjackson5099it’s the emotion of Jordan fans. I’m nearly 50yrs old and Jordan was my GOAT for years.
      I looked for reasons to downplay LeBron because it was just something about him that didn’t sit well with me…maybe him trying to be funny or cool when I didn’t think he was.
      But when he was in Cleveland after Kyrie left to Boston, I had to evaluate myself as a fan with integrity, and realized that I was searching desperately to keep Jordan as number one, which wasn’t fair to LeBron from my basketball point of view.
      Once i did that LeBron was looking closer and closer to being the GOAT because i revisited all of his other feats that I previously hated on, and left the emotions outta it.
      Once i did that i could not help but become a fan of LeBron’s and with emotions removed, he’s the unquestioned GOAT.

    • @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff
      @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff Před měsícem +1

      @@mobetta2092 which of Lebron’s feats that you revisited changed your mind. Because, as YOU said, I try to be as fair as I can and look at things objectively as possible. And of COURSE, I have continued to compare, contrast here and there along Lebron’s career and every time I am left with the same conclusion. Jordan is still on top. That’s WHY I’m interested to know what YOU see.

    • @mobetta2092
      @mobetta2092 Před měsícem

      @@Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff removing my emotions and acknowledging that LeBron has led his team to championships while leading in every, or nearly every statical category.
      LeBron having the IQ, size, strength, athleticism, quickness, speed and height to effectively play on both sides of the ball, every position, anywhere on the floor, at significant parts of games en route to championships, including head coach in terms of being known for play calling and recognizing opposing teams’ defensive and offensive set.
      Jordan was a heck of a talent….but never has he done or had the reputation of being capable of doing the things they I mentioned about LeBron.

  • @CedAdj
    @CedAdj Před 2 měsíci +12

    The fact that Marc Gasol won defensive player of the year over LeBron still bothers me til this day.

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Why? Marc had the better defensive season.

    • @iflemister3935
      @iflemister3935 Před měsícem

      @@xxtopgunxx8764he didn’t make first team all defense make it make sense

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před měsícem +1

      @@iflemister3935 Marc had a better defensive rating, had a better defensive box +\-, had a better defensive win shares, and also averaged more blocks. The only thing lebron had over Marc defensively was .7 of a steal…lebron wasn’t even in the top 5 in defensive win shares that season, even worse, he wasn’t even top 10 in defensive rating.
      The only reason Lebron made the 1st team, is the same reason why people falsely believe Marc didn’t deserve dpoy that season, biased opinions. They selected Lebron because MJ and Kobe also made 1st all defensive teams and it seemed like a nice fit. That and they also needed a small forward for the selection. But I would’ve picked PG13 over Lebron that season on the first team, maybe because PG was playing SG at the time, it affected the selection, idk. Lebron definitely did not deserve to be 1st team that year. I believe PG and Marc should’ve both been first team. Paul George led the league in defensive win shares that season and was tied for 2nd in defensive rating…
      I hope I made it make sense✌️lol

    • @iflemister3935
      @iflemister3935 Před měsícem

      @@xxtopgunxx8764 doesn’t make sense bc if it was gonna be a nice fit he would’ve won dpoy also by default Marc was likely gonna have a a better defensive +/- bc he is a center and during that time it wasn’t as much three point shooting. Marc is gonna average more rebounds and blocks bc he is a center and whether he should’ve been or not u can’t say it’s narrative when he’s the only non first team to win it..I believe it’s more believable that it’s a narrative against lebron than for lebron but either way it makes no difference to and that’s also not true bc he is a better switch defender and versatile..and Jordan was not the best defender the year he won it in my opinion…but he was good enough to give it to

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před měsícem +1

      @@iflemister3935 box +\- isn’t something big men are advantageous to, especially if talking about defensive awards. Kawhi led the league in defensive box +\- when he won dpoy, so you’re wrong. The narrative was not against lebron, if there was a narrative, it was against Marc. Marc deserved dpoy that year, he was in the top 5 of every defensive analytic, and that’s excluding blocks or rebounds as you say. The only other player that season to do that was Tim Duncan. So the dpoy should’ve been between those two, either one of them deserved it.
      MJ was most definitely the best defender the season he won dpoy. Not only was he top 5 in every defensive analytic, but also led that season in steals.
      Lebron did not deserve to be 1st team that season and he most definitely did not deserve dpoy. It wasn’t lebron that got robbed of a dpoy, it was Marc that got robbed of a 1st team all defense. Both Marc and Tim Duncan got robbed actually, they both deserved it over Joakim, Tyson, and Lebron. Also PG13 should’ve been in there too. They were the better defenders, pure and simple.

  • @logicallifeperspectives513
    @logicallifeperspectives513 Před 2 měsíci +7

    LeBron is the best ever and to argue Jordan wouldn't be fair to Jordan IMO. What are you gonna do beg LeBron to stop piling it on even while he's still one of the best?

  • @CeeWorld69
    @CeeWorld69 Před 2 měsíci +154

    Chris always knows he lost an argument when he won’t let anyone talk at all 😂🤣😆😆!!!!

  • @Jet.Single
    @Jet.Single Před 2 měsíci +166

    That last argument nick made bro was cookin 🔥

    • @Ayo_Bruh22
      @Ayo_Bruh22 Před 2 měsíci +19

      Bill Russell's 11 rings is low key still the most Hardest thing to achieve in the nba today

    • @91exile
      @91exile Před 2 měsíci

      POINTS DONT MATTER .

    • @conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154
      @conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154 Před 2 měsíci

      If you’re stupid… he “cooked”.

    • @chiefwww
      @chiefwww Před 2 měsíci +2

      🍳 👨‍🍳 🦃 🐔 🍗 cooking

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci

      Cooking 🗑️ lol

  • @MillennialBro
    @MillennialBro Před 2 měsíci +19

    I love Nick hahahahahaha that 18 year old player in the NBA argument at 17:10 was HILARIOUS

    • @remr3m755
      @remr3m755 Před 2 měsíci +2

      “the better NBA Player at 18 was LeBron” I’m crying, they really trying to dismiss like what??!??!???

  • @iyctthgootk
    @iyctthgootk Před 2 měsíci +35

    I do find it funny the amount of pressure on a single player to win championships as if its not a team sport.

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci +6

      It is a team sport, but it’s also a sport where one player has more impact on the outcome than any other sport(excluding individual sports)

    • @azizchaudhry1816
      @azizchaudhry1816 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@xxtopgunxx8764 i mean i would say lebron has more impact of his teams succes than jordan does off the basis of when lebron doesnt play vs when jordan doesnt play

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci

      @@azizchaudhry1816 that’s factually incorrect. MJ has the highest career WS/48 in history. Meaning he contributed to more wins than anyone else in history.

    • @phillipschuman4307
      @phillipschuman4307 Před měsícem

      @@xxtopgunxx8764 He only beats David Robinson in the THIRD decimal point, though. That's a photo-finish, with barely an eyelash between them. Jordan had the advantage of relentlessly taking the most shots in the league all the time (except one time he was second), and points scored counts toward Win Shares. DR did it on far fewer points (but a whole lot more of other things).

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před měsícem

      @@phillipschuman4307 what you said doesn’t affect my previous statement, idk what the point you’re trying to make is? MJ scoring points isn’t relevant, every player has their own offense, some assist more, some score more, some rebound more, etc. MJs scoring translated to team success. Points, assists, offensive rebounds, all count towards your offensive WS.

  • @cjmontoya8065
    @cjmontoya8065 Před 2 měsíci +96

    Can someone also mention how scottie is 6-0 also😂

    • @mattdobson7598
      @mattdobson7598 Před 2 měsíci +13

      Having a consensus top 50 player ever on your team for all of your titles is not something we talk about. Duh. Jordan did it by himself because he is basketball Jesus

    • @cjmontoya8065
      @cjmontoya8065 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Couldn't have said it better!

    • @flyupthere
      @flyupthere Před 2 měsíci +8

      And Dennis rodman

    • @raystroud8018
      @raystroud8018 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@mattdobson7598wait when did Bron win by himself you can argue nobody including Lebron can pick up a ball and do what Kyrie do, do I need to mention his more accomplished teammates

    • @therealwelfin
      @therealwelfin Před 2 měsíci +6

      ⁠@@mattdobson7598so then shaq and kobe, magic and kareem, should be knocked down a few rankings because they played with each other
      All four of them are top ten, not consensus top 50 lol

  • @_Stilo
    @_Stilo Před měsícem +5

    17:51 brew!!!!! That stutter says so much dawg!! 😂

  • @michaelmarks9002
    @michaelmarks9002 Před 2 měsíci +9

    “It’d be sick though if he played, like, professional baseball” hahahaha

  • @SphinxMen1906
    @SphinxMen1906 Před 2 měsíci +39

    Averaging 38 minutes a game for 21 years is wild when you sit and think about it. Also, Nick has never lost a Lebron date to anyone that I’ve seen.

    • @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff
      @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff Před měsícem

      @SphinxMen1906 but that is easier to do if you ONLY play on the days you feel wonderful. Of COURSE, his(Lebron’s) minutes AND per game stats will be hurt less because it’s per game that Lebron played; when he felt good, unlike Jordan who hardly ever took a game off, which SHOULD have hurt his numbers but I don’t THINK they did

    • @nathangarrett9868
      @nathangarrett9868 Před měsícem

      @@Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ffbron hardly took a game off up until the last what 5 years. He missed 39 games in 10 years!.

    • @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff
      @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff Před měsícem +1

      @@nathangarrett9868 nope. NOT true. First 10 years 55 games. Then next 6 years, he missed 57. Last five years including current year he missed 115(that include’s tonight’s game he’s sitting out) for a total of 227. And there are still 10 games left this season. 227 is close to missing 3 years. He has taken so many mini breaks or mini RETIREMENTS, which helped both his per game stats AND extend his career. That’s fair for him to do. But it takes away from even the longevity debate. ANYONE can look up his games played per season

    • @markbelin9869
      @markbelin9869 Před měsícem

      ​@@nathangarrett9868 cap

    • @raykalingo8525
      @raykalingo8525 Před měsícem +2

      39 and STILL, hasn't completed a double 3PEAT in rings and f-mvps. BUT has the Most turnovers in NBA HISTORY and 6 loses in finals.
      Low standard GOAT

  • @LuisVega-so3tt
    @LuisVega-so3tt Před 2 měsíci +32

    Did they all of a sudden forget about his playoff runs?? At the absolute very least in the 10 finals appearances, that's over 160 games, he's played 2 extra seasons on everybody.

    • @rzn2258
      @rzn2258 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Jerry West had 9 in his 14 Year Career. WINNING THEM IS WHAT MATTERS !!!!
      YOUR BASICALLY BRAGGING ABOUT COMING IN SECOND PLACE

    • @user-tw2oc2ro1c
      @user-tw2oc2ro1c Před 2 měsíci

      ordan never lost when he had the better team. Lebron had the better team in 2009 and lost to the Orlando Magic. He had the better team in 2010 and lost to the over the hill Boston Celtics. He had the better team in 2011 and lost to the Dallas Mavericks. He had the better team but lost to teams coached Stan Van Gundy, Rick Carlisle, and Doc Rivers. Jordan never lost a playoff series when his team had the home court advantage.

    • @No-Hassle
      @No-Hassle Před 2 měsíci

      @@user-tw2oc2ro1cso Lebron won with the better team 17 times. That’s a lot more winning.

    • @koloyaya5870
      @koloyaya5870 Před 2 měsíci

      @@rzn2258 so what youre saying is, 10-20th place is always better than 2nd?

  • @Ayo_Bruh22
    @Ayo_Bruh22 Před 2 měsíci +44

    Bill Russell's 11 rings is low key still the most Hardest thing to achieve in the nba today

    • @gonzielovesspanish8989
      @gonzielovesspanish8989 Před 2 měsíci +1

      It was the Celtics, not just Bill Russell. He was a def/reb, but he avg less that 15 ppg, shot less than 45%FG (as a big); and shot less than 50% FT.

    • @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff
      @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff Před 2 měsíci

      They only had 10 teams then, I believe, so less competition, but he(Bill Russell)WAS good nonetheless

    • @laz0rama
      @laz0rama Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff 12 and 14 teams for his last 2 chips (and 8 for some of his earlier ones), when he was player/coach. doesn't change the general point that the league had far fewer teams then. shows how the league was starting to expand fairly quickly.

    • @chestercastaneda4920
      @chestercastaneda4920 Před 2 měsíci +5

      ​ @gonzielovesspanish8989 Bill Russell is the centerpiece of that Celtics team whose main contribution is defense instead of FG and FT. I also see the 10 teams argument used against Bill but not about Jordan, who faced fewer teams than LeBron (double standard).

    • @rzn2258
      @rzn2258 Před 2 měsíci

      There was less than 10 Teams in the League when they won 8 of those.
      Bill Russell wasn't the main reason they won those rings , those Celtics had Hall of Famers on that team.
      Bill Russell was never The Finals MVP.
      You guys really need to do some research before bringing those Celtics up.
      You sound So Uninformed

  • @negusknight7918
    @negusknight7918 Před 2 měsíci +7

    That age 22 got Chris stumbling on his words😭🤣😂. Nick really pressed Chris on this debate

  • @carloscumpiano433
    @carloscumpiano433 Před 2 měsíci +48

    Why is it that these debates always talk about like Basketball is an individual sport, what about the rest of the team and coach?

    • @k_hack9441
      @k_hack9441 Před 2 měsíci +23

      Bc Jordan fans then have to admit he had the 2nd greatest team in history surrounding him, a top 3 coach helping him, and they see LeBron did all this WITHOUT that lvl of support.

    • @NeverSober8008
      @NeverSober8008 Před 2 měsíci +10

      @@k_hack9441Lebron had way more all stars because he would jump ship to build super teams

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@k_hack9441 The help LeBron has had is easily comparable. LeBron won three rings as a big three. Same as MJ. Spoelstra was the coach for the Heat and Pat Riley team president. And the Lakers team was a great team as well.

    • @cheetosleopard9861
      @cheetosleopard9861 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@penkima4923Spo the rookie coach yeah ok

    • @k_hack9441
      @k_hack9441 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@penkima4923 the Lebron Heat were so great they were only favored 2/4 years. He won 2 rings as a “big three”. Spolestra was not the coach he is now. Who cares about Riley lol?

  • @Somong
    @Somong Před 2 měsíci +41

    Poor Brou sounds like he’s running out of pivots.

    • @peterkoroma7876
      @peterkoroma7876 Před 2 měsíci +4

      they all gone run out soon, chatting ish bout 6-0 (no context, others have won more), scoring titles (bron is the youngest to any mark and has scored the most ever, jordan retirement (we'll say nothing negative about him) hahha

    • @chestercastaneda4920
      @chestercastaneda4920 Před 2 měsíci +4

      The goalpost is right at the stands. Can't move it any further unless he wants to transfer it out of the playing field.

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@peterkoroma7876 they’re not. Other than longevity Lebron doesn’t have anything over MJ, it’s the other way around. MJ had more and better individual accolades, better per game and advanced stats/analytics, and obviously more rings.

    • @weinaracewarandslaverystar3408
      @weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Brou destroyed Nick nose, of course bronsexuals heard something completely different, the longevity and accolades argument was never made for anyone in nba history until it was time to squeeze Lebron in the conversation, comparing a dude who built 3 super teams to a dude who played for one team is wild

    • @Somong
      @Somong Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 In addressing the spirited debate on LeBron James' recent milestones, it's essential to approach the conversation with a balanced perspective. While Chris Broussard's defense against Nick's points might be considered formidable, labeling it a "destruction" veers into hyperbole. It's important to remember that discussions about sports achievements, mainly those as subjective as the "greatest of all time," are inherently nuanced and influenced by personal biases and perspectives.
      The argument regarding longevity should be considered. Like the introduction of the 3-point line in the late 1970s, which fundamentally changed the game, longevity has emerged as a significant factor in evaluating a player's career. This is particularly noteworthy in a league where only one player, LeBron James, remains active among the 45 high school draftees, underscoring the rarity and significance of his career's endurance.
      The notion that LeBron's accomplishments are being retrofitted into the GOAT conversation to "squeeze" him in is an oversimplification. LeBron's journey, characterized by leading three franchises to championships, indeed differs from players who spent their careers with a single team. However, his influence extends beyond his teams, setting a new standard that has arguably shaped the strategic direction of several franchises in response to his dominance and created more than 3 superteams. He influenced the creation of all superteams since Miami, especially GSW's Dynasty, which produced 5 All-Stars from their starting 5 in one season.
      LeBron's career, marked by two decades of consistent excellence, including two decades of All-Star selections, an average of 27-28 PPG over 21 years, surpassing 40K points, an amalgam of top 5 and 10 statistical achievements, and significant financial success, deserves recognition. Comparing his achievements to Michael Jordan's, who also played for multiple teams, requires acknowledgment of the distinct contexts of their respective eras.
      Jordan's peak, with six championships in the 1990s, REMAINS a hallmark of basketball EXCELLENCE! Yet, when considering the breadth of accomplishments and the impact on the game, Bill Russell's unparalleled 11 championships, including 8 consecutive with the Boston Celtics, set a high bar for "greatest of all time" discussions.
      In essence, the GOAT debate might best be framed as a recognition of each player's unique contributions and dominance in their times. Bill Russell redefined team success; Michael Jordan epitomized peak performance and cultural impact; LeBron James has sculpted a new paradigm of longevity, versatility, and influence both on and off the court. Each has etched an indelible mark on the fabric of basketball, and their legacies are not in competition but rather chapters of an ongoing saga of greatness in the NBA.

  • @lemoninzest17
    @lemoninzest17 Před 2 měsíci +45

    wait til nick completely changes his standars for brady/mahomes peak/longevity debate

    • @armandolevario4758
      @armandolevario4758 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Chiefs ain’t done though

    • @mistersunshine1330
      @mistersunshine1330 Před 2 měsíci

      Lebron never hit Jordan's curb...

    • @lemoninzest17
      @lemoninzest17 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@mistersunshine1330 depends how you look at it, neither did jordan reach james’

    • @chestercastaneda4920
      @chestercastaneda4920 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@mistersunshine1330 Jordan at 39 vs. Bron at 39 though lol. Or at 22. Not even close.

    • @mistersunshine1330
      @mistersunshine1330 Před 2 měsíci

      @@chestercastaneda4920 How about when they were actually in their respective primes? Like when we actually have expectations? Oh right Jordan beats him everywhere (not by much bit still)

  • @sunrise6702
    @sunrise6702 Před měsícem +2

    Hey Chris, it would be cool if you listened more. You're all over the place and have a hard time letting Nick explain. Tough watch.

  • @JJStonemusic
    @JJStonemusic Před 2 měsíci +13

    Nick was cooking chris😂😂

  • @Dekeno22
    @Dekeno22 Před 2 měsíci +21

    Chris stop interrupting!!!! Please!!

    • @hunterheffington4577
      @hunterheffington4577 Před měsícem +1

      Nick was getting so frustrated. Brou kept trying to argue before Nick even made his point

  • @pressan9985
    @pressan9985 Před 2 měsíci +27

    I think it's funny that Brou wouldn't allow Jordan's retirements be used against him but also says the more LeBron plays the more arguments you can have against him. Can't have bit both ways.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci +6

      We don't know for certain, would Jordan have won chips, if he didn't retire. It's hard to use the retirements against Jordan. But we do know for certain LeBron won 4 rings without retiring.

    • @bluewolf7589
      @bluewolf7589 Před 2 měsíci +9

      @@penkima4923 or we could not use either against any of them? Why would retiring be a positive? How is not playing better than playing? Do you people refuse to think when it comes to this debate?💀Retired or not, we know for sure jordan didn’t win any more chips. End of discussion.

    • @DiamondLion13
      @DiamondLion13 Před 2 měsíci

      Broussard on the decline. He used to be an MVP canidate for Media perennially

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci

      @@bluewolf7589 You sound like you didn't read my comment with thought. Try again.

    • @bluewolf7589
      @bluewolf7589 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@penkima4923 you sound like you think your comment is more thought provoking than it is. It’s the most basic of premises. And not a very good one. Next time make it make sense why we don’t know if 1+1 is 2 but we know 2+2 is 4.

  • @Eric805Robles
    @Eric805Robles Před 2 měsíci +12

    When you don’t listen always interrupting your wrong point blank 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @whiteblue3576
    @whiteblue3576 Před 2 měsíci +7

    If we are talking about the peak MJ vs Peak LeBron. It's not close. Longevity is what LeBron has over MJ.

    • @PlexFanatic
      @PlexFanatic Před měsícem +2

      It’s actually close, they both dominated their eras pretty easily too and it’s not really a debate

    • @hunterheffington4577
      @hunterheffington4577 Před měsícem +4

      You’re biased if you think it’s not close. The best versions of both LeBron and Jordan might have been in years they didn’t win the championship. 88 Jordan and 18 LeBron?

    • @sportstalkonly1442
      @sportstalkonly1442 Před měsícem +1

      ​@hunterheffington4577 yea but 18 lebron is by far better than 88 jordan.

    • @hunterheffington4577
      @hunterheffington4577 Před měsícem +1

      @@sportstalkonly1442 I meant 2018 LeBron not 18yo LeBron. I think LeBron was better at almost every age though

  • @jamesmajorburns6820
    @jamesmajorburns6820 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Whew Nick stay with the facts

  • @jomanjoerazonable8271
    @jomanjoerazonable8271 Před 2 měsíci +23

    40k points 10k assist 11k rebounds and still counting ☝🏼 The Greatest Of all Time 👑

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci +1

      He has those numbers, because he had to keep chasing the GoaT.

    • @user-tw2oc2ro1c
      @user-tw2oc2ro1c Před 2 měsíci +5

      You forgot 5,000 turnovers. The only player in NBA history to reach that milestone

    • @nihilus1626
      @nihilus1626 Před 2 měsíci

      @@user-tw2oc2ro1c leflop has also been in the nba for almost as long as ive been alive and he only has 4 rings. A ring every 5 years. The GOAT was in the nba for only 15 years and got 6 rings. A ring exactly every 2.5 years and with ZERO losses. This dude is only gonna win the record for the longest time in the nba.

    • @roywilsonjr.1207
      @roywilsonjr.1207 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Stick yourself go get vaccinated and go lay down

    • @TowDow3
      @TowDow3 Před 2 měsíci +2

      also 4-6 in the nba finals. also 2011 chokejob. thats something MJ has never done so theres that.

  • @Guayubino
    @Guayubino Před 2 měsíci +4

    Championships are not individual accomplishments... If they were, Bill Russell is the goat.

    • @2682shark
      @2682shark Před 2 měsíci +2

      6 Finals Mvps are individual awards

    • @Guayubino
      @Guayubino Před 2 měsíci

      @@2682shark That's fair. Definitely an individual accomplishment, but you still need a team to get you to the finals.

    • @haru2966
      @haru2966 Před 13 dny

      @@Guayubino 4-6 is not a good record

  • @bbro43
    @bbro43 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Jordan on the 2007 Cavs would have been a 35-40 win team. LeBron on the 1985 Bulls would have ran through both Bird and Magic while making both Orlando Woolridge and Quinton Dailey look like All-Stars.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci

      That doesn't make sense. Jordan at age 22 was as good as LeBron.

    • @bbro43
      @bbro43 Před 2 měsíci

      @penkima4923 yeah at age 22 Jordan had a 22.9 ppg scorer and a 16 ppg scorer next to him, and they couldn't even manage a winning record. LeBrons next best players were 14.9 and 11.9 and he carried them to a Finals. If Jordan couldn't manage a winning record let alone winning a playoff seriese with a better supporting cast, he wouldn't even sniff the playoffs in the 00's when teams werent getting in with 30 wins like they were at the end of the 80s.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci

      @@bbro43 "yeah at age 22 Jordan had a 22.9 ppg scorer and a 16 ppg scorer next to him, and they couldn't even manage a winning record."
      Scoring doesn't equal the better player.
      "LeBrons next best players were 14.9 and 11.9 and he carried them to a Finals."
      That "14.9" was the all-defense 1st teamer from the previous season, who led the league in steals. That "11.9" was a two-time all-star, while MJ didn't have one all-star teammate in the 80's. You act like LeBron made the finals solo.
      "If Jordan couldn't manage a winning record let alone winning a playoff seriese with a better supporting cast"
      LeBron had the better supporting cast.
      "he wouldn't even sniff the playoffs in the 00's when teams werent getting in with 30 wins like they were at the end of the 80s."
      Jordan made the playoffs in his rookie and sophomore seasons. LeBron did not.

    • @lyndonfair9850
      @lyndonfair9850 Před měsícem

      ​@@penkima4923nope

    • @larrycarter2336
      @larrycarter2336 Před 6 dny

      What LeBron wouldn't have not been able to do the things back in the era of Michael Jordan it was too physical he's complaining right now sometime lacking just to get up the court without physicality the only thing that LeBron has over Jordan is longevity that's all for as a player is Jordan hands down

  • @christophermendoza6936
    @christophermendoza6936 Před 2 měsíci +17

    Jordan at 38-40 also didn’t have Ad in his prime

    • @focuz4899
      @focuz4899 Před 2 měsíci +2

      You mean Street Clothes Davis?

    • @marvingultom5574
      @marvingultom5574 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@focuz4899was he in street clothes in the bubble finals?

    • @mobrocket
      @mobrocket Před 2 měsíci +3

      He had Jack Daniels

    • @focuz4899
      @focuz4899 Před 2 měsíci

      @@mobrocket And a roulette wheel 😂

    • @therealsanteri
      @therealsanteri Před 2 měsíci +1

      AD is not in his prime

  • @jmoney4220
    @jmoney4220 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Broussard exposed his bias in this debate 😂😂😂😂

    • @peterkoroma7876
      @peterkoroma7876 Před 2 měsíci

      100%

    • @brianjackson3031
      @brianjackson3031 Před 2 měsíci

      He not biased Bron just wasn’t better. You can achieve more and still not be better.

    • @peterkoroma7876
      @peterkoroma7876 Před 2 měsíci

      You're exposing your bias lmao people are allowed to have their opinion. There's no definitive answer although Bron literally the most complete basketball player ever @@brianjackson3031

    • @jmoney4220
      @jmoney4220 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@brianjackson3031 he said rookie Jordan and Year 4 Bron is close.. that’s just pure delusion.

    • @brianjackson3031
      @brianjackson3031 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@jmoney4220 how is it delusional? Rookie MJ averaged 28 6 and 5. It’s not delusional to say he was as good as anyone

  • @MJIZZEL
    @MJIZZEL Před 2 měsíci +3

    How come the same people who praise LeBron for these accumulative stats, diminish john Stockton achievements in accumulative stats.

  • @mattdobson7598
    @mattdobson7598 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I just liked watching these two argue about it. They both did a great job at making a case for their guy.

  • @MKIVD
    @MKIVD Před 2 měsíci +4

    With the offensive pace that the league is at right now, it can technically be possible for someone else to do it, but it would take a sheer amount of dedication to your body, not that much load management, and luck early to mid career in avoiding significant injuries

  • @dkim3589
    @dkim3589 Před 2 měsíci +18

    Nah, when you have to frame a point or argument in a certain way, you're changing the goal posts. Every Lebron argument does this.

    • @SUPADUDE4070
      @SUPADUDE4070 Před 2 měsíci +1

      lebron is the goat for a million reasons and jordan only has 1

    • @dkim3589
      @dkim3589 Před 2 měsíci

      @SUPADUDE4070 what's the 1 reason?

    • @SUPADUDE4070
      @SUPADUDE4070 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@dkim3589 rings. Every other way you frame the argument lebron has done way more with less. More diverse, on offense and defense. More points more assists, etc.

    • @tarikwalters854
      @tarikwalters854 Před měsícem

      @@SUPADUDE4070Did you not see the 2011 NBA Finals?

    • @SUPADUDE4070
      @SUPADUDE4070 Před měsícem

      @@tarikwalters854 is this the part where you ignore and diminish lebrons accomplishments and competition while amplifying Jordan’s 6 seasons of championships, competition, rule set etc.?

  • @larsmichaelsen215
    @larsmichaelsen215 Před měsícem +2

    Just imagine if Broussard mentioned Michael Jordan in the greatest when he was talking baseball would have been hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @eddietalley3849
    @eddietalley3849 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Way to keep moving thise goal posts, Broussard

  • @Vhukonikm123
    @Vhukonikm123 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Playing that long and only winning 4 rings is crazy to me

    • @alimightyg1941
      @alimightyg1941 Před 2 měsíci

      How many rings do vince carter and karl malone have

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci

      @@alimightyg1941 is that the level Lebron is at?

    • @tredd4997
      @tredd4997 Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@alimightyg1941 Karl Malone is better than jordan because he scored more points over his career, and he played longer. by Lebron fan's logic.

    • @theamericanpotatonamedphil4306
      @theamericanpotatonamedphil4306 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@alimightyg1941Karl and Vince aren't considered the Greatest of all time

  • @bratskapomoc2165
    @bratskapomoc2165 Před 2 měsíci +10

    Now do a segment of what Lebron would have been without PEDs

    • @Machozz
      @Machozz Před 2 měsíci +2

      Now do a segment of what JorBald would have been without Phil Jackson

    • @sportstalkonly1442
      @sportstalkonly1442 Před měsícem

      Prove he's on PEDS

    • @omieg89
      @omieg89 Před měsícem

      What if Lebron isn’t on PEDs? You realize you’re giving him the highest compliment by assuming he’s on something. You’re essentially saying it’s impossible to still be this good.

  • @augustbaothlynott7263
    @augustbaothlynott7263 Před 2 měsíci +2

    1998 Jordan
    Won NBA Title
    Finals MVP
    Regular Season MVP
    All Star Game MVP
    All NBA First Team
    All NBA Defensive Team
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    • @sportstalkonly1442
      @sportstalkonly1442 Před měsícem

      2020 lebron
      Won NBA title
      Won Finals Mvp
      Led the league in assists
      All NBA first team
      Number 1 seed
      Same age as 1998 jordan lmao

  • @ree572
    @ree572 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Wildes being in the crossfire is so funny.

  • @jameskroh94
    @jameskroh94 Před 2 měsíci +10

    It's actually really simple, ask Nick who the greatest golfer of all time is......100% he says Tiger over Jack. Why, because for 8-10 years Tiger is unlike anything anyone had ever seen. And like Tiger, over a 10 year period, no one has ever seen anything like peak Jordan.

  • @porterwake3898
    @porterwake3898 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Michael Jordan won 6 titles in 6.5 years of playing (1.5 years out for baseball). Nick seems to think LeBron being better than MJ when he was in college and with the Wizards is some sort of argument...

    • @sportstalkonly1442
      @sportstalkonly1442 Před měsícem

      And bill russell won 11 in 13 years. Team accomplishments don't equal a better individual player. Especially when u play far weaker competition

    • @peterbitschhjortshj6683
      @peterbitschhjortshj6683 Před měsícem

      @@sportstalkonly1442with no flexibility in the league. One third of the teams today and in the 90s and half the leagues hall of famers on his team

  • @nsmith3128
    @nsmith3128 Před 2 měsíci +10

    The funny thing about the "MJ went 6 for 6 in the finals" thing is people rarely discuss how great his team was. He was favored in 5 out of 6 Finals. He literally had a Big 3 in an era were most teams had a big 1 and some had a big 2. Not to mention both played similar competition throughout there years in the east. The difference is how much better Lebrons Finals opponent's were.

    • @comradeyellow6781
      @comradeyellow6781 Před 2 měsíci +6

      What's his big 3? Pippen was an average all star, who else he had? Rodman? Lmao
      LeBron jumped from superteam to superteam much better than the Bulls as a roster, and got kicked in the face. What you bron fanboys have is just a pack of excuses.

    • @luminousrxk7288
      @luminousrxk7288 Před 2 měsíci +4

      jordan played with a single all star his entire time winning rings. Rodman was not even a all star/all-nba caliber player when playing with Jordan. And also everyone needs help to win. Bron jumped to 2 different teams to get enough help to win.

    • @SuperSonic_868
      @SuperSonic_868 Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@comradeyellow6781 Lebron fans said that the only reason Mike and the Bulls beat the Pistons in 91 is because the Bad Boys were old and washed. The same fans then turn around to say that Rodman (5 years later) in 96 on the bulls was part of a big 3. LOL. None of it makes sense.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Another difference is how many teams they played for.

    • @nsmith3128
      @nsmith3128 Před 2 měsíci

      @@comradeyellow6781 you don't have to take my word for it. Use your phone and Google best NBA big 3s. On most if not all list you'll see MJ/Scottie/Rodman or MJ/Scottie/Horace. LeBron had one Superteam. That's the Heat. I'm a fanboy of basketball. I've watched and loved the game for 30 years. You're clearly are a child because both Scottie and Rodman are in the Hall of Fame. Scottie was put in the top 50 players all time list. The first year after MJ first retired Scottie lead the Bulls to 55 wins and placed 3rd in MVP as an "average" player. The next year as an "average" player he lead the Bulls in all 5 major categories. Average means everyone can do it. He wasn't nearly as average as your idiotic comment.

  • @darnellbrown9229
    @darnellbrown9229 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Nick Wright is out of his mind

  • @kingdavid5525
    @kingdavid5525 Před 2 měsíci +3

    The rings argument is overrated to speak on the individual players greatness. Ring’s definitely take the team including the coach

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Depends. MJ played for one team, so his rings have weight.

    • @Luso00_
      @Luso00_ Před 2 měsíci +1

      It can be, but LeBron should have won more than 4.

    • @kingdavid5525
      @kingdavid5525 Před 2 měsíci

      @@penkima4923 it actually has let weight because the team was built around him. Pippen all but 3 years of his bulls tenure, ran the same triangle offense and had the Philosopher in Phil Jackson. Sprinkle in some Dennis Rodman, Kerr, and Kukoc and you have consistency and continuity. Don’t forget the refs giving him every call because we gotta keep him happy.

    • @heels4lifx
      @heels4lifx Před 2 měsíci

      Yea but when you all 6 finals MVPs and the team was built to cater to your strengths, then you deserve most of the credit for winning. Just like finals appearances is also a team accomplishment, but lebron still deserves most of the credit for leading them.

  • @bigjermboktown6976
    @bigjermboktown6976 Před 2 měsíci +28

    Nick probably has LeBron bed sheets

    • @lornegreen6755
      @lornegreen6755 Před 2 měsíci +4

      And you wear Jordan’s jerseys and shoes. What’s your point?

    • @saxonomy
      @saxonomy Před 2 měsíci

      What @@lornegreen6755 said!

    • @mnpetersx
      @mnpetersx Před 2 měsíci +1

      I thought you said Nick has LeBron's bed sheets😂😂😂

  • @Sonnel_James
    @Sonnel_James Před měsícem +1

    Totally agree with Brou when he told Nick "You get nonsensical" when he strays way out of subject just to make his argument valid 😂

  • @2682shark
    @2682shark Před 2 měsíci +2

    Who is about to be the all time missed shots leader and turnover leader???

  • @betterdaysahead_
    @betterdaysahead_ Před 2 měsíci +5

    Can you name a person who has won a championship in basketball alone? Winning championships is a team effort, but being number one in points in NBA history is a true goat. Lebron is the Goat ✍🏻🏀🐐

    • @waltermitchell768
      @waltermitchell768 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Since winning is a team effort let's look at teammates
      Pippen
      Rodman
      Kukoc
      End of bench robert Parish
      End of the line george gervin
      Role players Paxson
      Steve Kerr (coaching will get in )
      Harper
      Grant.
      Lebron
      Wade
      Bosh
      Davis
      Kyrie will get in
      Howard
      Westbrook
      Anthony
      Shaq
      Ben Wallace
      Role players
      Mike Miller
      Jr Smith
      Ilgauskas.
      Larry Hughes..
      So if Lebron had more talent around him and lost more ... should we skew our opinion because of that

  • @hughplayer7612
    @hughplayer7612 Před 2 měsíci +19

    Good debate between the two on the GOAT, but show the problem of the argument as a whole.
    Peak v longevity. Who’s the best at their best vs who’s the best for longest? Once you decide you’re just going round and round in arguments.
    Nick was cooking because brous dismissal of longevity is the issue there, it does count. IMO not as much, but you can’t be hurt by playing longer than someone else? Nonsensical take.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci +11

      Winning two more rings is more valuable than playing 5 more years in the league.

    • @luminousrxk7288
      @luminousrxk7288 Před 2 měsíci +9

      If you play longer but still have few chips, finals mvps, scoring titles, all defensive teams, DPOYs while playing 7 more healthy season then yes it can hurt.

    • @vont8364
      @vont8364 Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@luminousrxk7288how can it hurt to still be playing at a high and competitive level at such an old age? thats literally a brain dead take hes not a liability he’s playing amazing. even insinuating using his longevity against him is why this debate is so toxic

    • @vont8364
      @vont8364 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@penkima4923there are other stats and accolades in the sport than just how many rings are on your finger. lebron holds just about every record his name is littered throughout the history books even now.

    • @Yucet22
      @Yucet22 Před 2 měsíci

      As a matter of fact, I rather to have a 97% ave good player for 21 yr as a business person than a 100% ave good player for 10 or so yr, LBJ is becoming better than MJ as a whole

  • @Ford_demon
    @Ford_demon Před měsícem +1

    Broussard had Nick trying to change points when it came who had the better peak. Lebron dominated the Eastern Conference, MJ dominated the NBA. There’s levels to this…

    • @firstlast9916
      @firstlast9916 Před měsícem

      I guess Jordan forgot to dominate the NBA in the 80s when there were great basketball teams to beat. Jordan just decided that he would dominate against bad 1990s teams.

  • @aflyingmodem
    @aflyingmodem Před 2 měsíci +1

    entertaining debate I think everyone made their point and as always its whatever you deem to be important.

  • @aaronsmith998
    @aaronsmith998 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Jordan in 88.. won DPOY, scoring title at 35 a game, and was MVP
    Lebron in 08.. scoring title at 30 a game, but no MVP, no DPOY.. Bron is close, but Jordan's peak season was better

    • @p.bi1179
      @p.bi1179 Před 2 měsíci +1

      LeBron is greatest individually. And he has 2 less rings but went against the greatest juggernaut superteam ever

    • @aaronsmith998
      @aaronsmith998 Před 2 měsíci

      @@p.bi1179 question: which era is harder to score in? Now or back in Jordan's era? Jordan averaged 30 ppg in about 8 seasons.. Bron only did that twice

    • @p.bi1179
      @p.bi1179 Před 2 měsíci

      @@aaronsmith998 Easier to score now. So many lethal scorers now. What’s your point? That MJ is a better scorer? Yes, I would say he is a better mid range shooter who focused more on scoring than LeBron James does.

    • @aaronsmith998
      @aaronsmith998 Před 2 měsíci

      @@p.bi1179 that means, when Jordan was scoring, it was harder to score, AND he scored more almost each regular season, playoffs, and finals. He won more in the regular season, playoffs, and finals... And put in more work on defense.
      Jordan is 4th all time in steals, LeBron isn't in the top 20 in rebounds or blocks.

    • @p.bi1179
      @p.bi1179 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@aaronsmith998 Here’s what I got for you: LeBron James is known as more of a pass first player & he is the NBA All Time Leading Scorer. Also 4th in assists if you wanna talk about records as well as top 10 in steals

  • @onlythetrill238
    @onlythetrill238 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Did the dude just say rookie Jordan at 22 was better than finals lebron at 22 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci

      No, he didn't. Why would you laugh at that?

    • @guilhermevieira6010
      @guilhermevieira6010 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Dude check Jordan stats at 22, you're embarrassing yourself 😂😂😂

    • @fel4822
      @fel4822 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@guilhermevieira6010winning vs stats remember smh yeah y'all wired bruh and I may be older than you

    • @guilhermevieira6010
      @guilhermevieira6010 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@fel4822 It's not winning vs stats, it's winning AND stats, check LeBron stats in the finals that years, he was trash.

    • @fel4822
      @fel4822 Před 2 měsíci

      @@guilhermevieira6010 MJ was making it to the playoffs under .500 east was wask only Detroit and Boston obviously

  • @Eric805Robles
    @Eric805Robles Před 2 měsíci +2

    You can not change his mine Brew is set in his mind 🤣🤣🤣

    • @xxtopgunxx8764
      @xxtopgunxx8764 Před 2 měsíci +3

      What is supposed to change his mind…longevity?

  • @justinevans182
    @justinevans182 Před měsícem +2

    Nick with the bodybag at 17:44

  • @Shaqburton
    @Shaqburton Před 2 měsíci +6

    Chris wasn’t even tryna let Nick talk about the debate 😂 not letting somebody get a word in doesn’t mean you won

    • @jacadianpro
      @jacadianpro Před 2 měsíci +1

      I was saying the same thing! Like just let Nick formulate one full point without cutting him off!

  • @xcbaby123
    @xcbaby123 Před 2 měsíci +5

    All I'm hearing is how easy it would be to dismantle Chris broussard in a debate.

  • @domimicgaskins3218
    @domimicgaskins3218 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Insane debate! Nick got his

  • @nathanpose8607
    @nathanpose8607 Před 2 měsíci +1

    For longevity in sports you guys missed Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic redefining longevity for top tennis.

  • @bluewolf7589
    @bluewolf7589 Před 2 měsíci +44

    How are you gonna say longevity can go against bron😂 like what? Playing at a high level while not winning is significantly better than retiring at a high level and not playing at all. So technically players should retire when they know they can’t win and come back when it’s suitable to win 😂😂 what kind of dogshit argument is that?

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci +1

      "So technically players should retire when they know they can’t win"
      Technically, players should retire when they know they can win.

    • @luminousrxk7288
      @luminousrxk7288 Před 2 měsíci +11

      bron has played more years than Jordan and still trails in almost every major NBA accomplishment outside of all/star and all-nba (which are really longevity awards for top 10 greats)

    • @bluewolf7589
      @bluewolf7589 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@luminousrxk7288 No they’re not longevity awards for any top 10😂 its bc those are awards you win on the court. The other accolades are decided by the media. And votes of people who grew up watching mike. All star games are non negotiable. Even that has media influence. Lmao. MVPs and those awards mean nothing bc it’s based on peoples discretion.

    • @bluewolf7589
      @bluewolf7589 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@penkima4923 you make no sense bud.

    • @gorcsauce696
      @gorcsauce696 Před 2 měsíci

      But when it Brady it’s okay longevity

  • @d.columbia9603
    @d.columbia9603 Před 2 měsíci +15

    Its amazing that Bron hit 40k. It has no baring on the goat debate. Just like passing Kareem didn't and passing malone didn't change anything. The most glaring thing to me is every time Bron hits a mile stone hits team loses.

    • @deadspace2
      @deadspace2 Před 2 měsíci

      Loses happen but it doesn’t take away from his greatness.

    • @d.columbia9603
      @d.columbia9603 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @deadspace2 do they happen every time? Seems more like he cares about himself and less about his team. But his style of play is incredibly selfish in general. Loses can take away from your greatness 2011 is a solid example

    • @sportstalkonly1442
      @sportstalkonly1442 Před měsícem

      ​@@d.columbia9603yea and that's the only loss on his resume where it was completely on him because he didn't show up. But you're talking about something that happened 10 years ago as your only argument out of a 21 year career lmao

    • @sportstalkonly1442
      @sportstalkonly1442 Před měsícem

      ​@@d.columbia9603he only cares about himself and not his team yet he's 4th all time in assists. The narratives yall make up man.

    • @d.columbia9603
      @d.columbia9603 Před měsícem

      @sportstalkonly1442 you see stats and assume that is unselfish. On the face of it that makes sense. However start looking at the about of talent he had on his teams and how diminished some of those players were due to lebrons system and it becomes more clear. Bosh and love both were diminished playing with Bron. Bron being the point was incapable of creating synergy with the elite talent he played with. So rather than becoming more then the sum of their parts they were less than. He is hyper aware of his stats so he isn't to blame for his losses. But it's still a selfish style of play that hinders winning. With the volume of talent he has had in the last 13 years more winning would have happened otherwise.

  • @whiteblue3576
    @whiteblue3576 Před 2 měsíci +2

    If LeBron retired like MJ then he would have less points.

  • @Ugolino
    @Ugolino Před 2 měsíci +2

    Broussard says: Rings count for Jordan but brons finals vs playoffs sweeps by Jordan don't count. Ridiculous.

  • @constantdissenter5825
    @constantdissenter5825 Před 2 měsíci +8

    Bron > Jordan
    As a pistons fans, Jordan in the 80s was no concern. Rookie Bron was a problem.

    • @guilhermevieira6010
      @guilhermevieira6010 Před 2 měsíci +2

      You could cheat in the 80s with that dirty play, you couldnt cheat against LeBron, that's Why.

  • @willliam1420
    @willliam1420 Před 2 měsíci +9

    It's painful as ever to listen to Nick Wrong

  • @nealdutta2312
    @nealdutta2312 Před měsícem +1

    Nick Wright is pretty smart with his questions as an advocate for LBJ......lol.

  • @age0808
    @age0808 Před 2 měsíci

    Freaking Wildes! " I get it". Hahahahaha

  • @saifthobani527
    @saifthobani527 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Nick had Broussard stumbling all over lol

  • @brianndungu5744
    @brianndungu5744 Před 2 měsíci +3

    These lebron vs jordan debates are gold

  • @TowDow3
    @TowDow3 Před 2 měsíci +2

    im sorry. he lived up to the hype? you mean being the next jordan? nah. he definitely did NOT live up to the hype.

  • @jonathanperry7012
    @jonathanperry7012 Před 2 měsíci +2

    LeBron v. Jordan is a timeless debate

  • @goshencapitalpartners7753
    @goshencapitalpartners7753 Před 2 měsíci +3

    First time seeing Brou absolutely crushed like this 😂

  • @330wiz7
    @330wiz7 Před 2 měsíci +3

    How is taking steroids so you can play forever have anything to do with the goat debate?

    • @KristianKG
      @KristianKG Před 2 měsíci

      Does enyone besides Lebron use steroids?

  • @AX5Terminator
    @AX5Terminator Před 2 měsíci +1

    It really is a case of peak vs. longevity. I'm taking peak every time, though.

  • @TowDow3
    @TowDow3 Před 2 měsíci +1

    cal ripken jr is the greatest baseball player because he's played the most games of any baseball player. FOH.

  • @MarioSilva-jg5nh
    @MarioSilva-jg5nh Před 2 měsíci +11

    There is no span of time where Lebrons peak is higher than Jordans.

    • @BIGCHUCCY3
      @BIGCHUCCY3 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Jordan had points but didnt have rebounds assists blocks jordan peak is not high

    • @MarioSilva-jg5nh
      @MarioSilva-jg5nh Před 2 měsíci

      @@BIGCHUCCY3 you sure about that? Look it up….

    • @BIGCHUCCY3
      @BIGCHUCCY3 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@MarioSilva-jg5nh look wat up its no year when his assist and blocks was higher than bron wtf are u. Talkin about

    • @No-Hassle
      @No-Hassle Před 2 měsíci +2

      2012-2020. So dominant that MVP Curry had to recruit MVP KD

    • @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff
      @Youretheone4ton8ly-cf3ff Před 2 měsíci +1

      ⁠​⁠@@BIGCHUCCY3 Well, I looked it up (just to be more precise because I already pretty much knew), but Jordan went over 100 blocks at least twice (125 and the following season 131 blocks) Lebron never broke a hundred. Jordan is at (.8 blocks per game) compared to (.7 per game) for Lebron. And Jordan is 4th all time on assists list for shooting guards while Lebron is ranked 12th among small forwards. And Jordan’s got Lebron on steals with 2.3 per game to Lebron’s 1.5 per game. And Jordan’s 10 percent higher on his free throws. So about the only thing Lebron MAY be has Jordan is slightly higher rebounds, more points in the paint and more career TOTAL points....because he PLAYED longer

  • @wardadorno8608
    @wardadorno8608 Před 2 měsíci +2

    “Ahhhg, ahhhg, ahhhg, IDK”
    Hahahahha Nick got Brou bad here

    • @theamericanpotatonamedphil4306
      @theamericanpotatonamedphil4306 Před 2 měsíci

      Nick was making arguments that are so specific and irrelevant that you can't even respond to them. They're awful arguments.

  • @CPIITservices
    @CPIITservices Před 2 měsíci +1

    Jordan's competition was not the same as Bron's. Y'all gotta start taking that into account as well. SMH

  • @manuelsoares9698
    @manuelsoares9698 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Because of Jordan, many Hall of Famers never won a championship (Charles Barkley, Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing etc) That is dominance, LeBron James doesn't have the same dominance.

    • @therealsanteri
      @therealsanteri Před 2 měsíci

      Because they were all farmers. Jordan will not dominate in this era

    • @manuelsoares9698
      @manuelsoares9698 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@therealsanteri That is your opinion, many people believe, including other Hall of Famers, that with today's more space and weaker defenses, MJ would've had a much easier time scoring and would've developed his 3 ball game.

    • @No-Hassle
      @No-Hassle Před 2 měsíci +1

      Jordan never had “Big 3’s” or MVP’s form up for him. Lebron did. Curry, Thompson, KD, Green, Cousins all to GSW, just for Lebron’s dominance.

    • @manuelsoares9698
      @manuelsoares9698 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@No-Hassle Lebron started a Big 3 himself because he needed help to win championships. Jordan went up against Hall of Famers to win championship, first Finals win was vs Magic Johnson etc...

  • @keomatherapper
    @keomatherapper Před 2 měsíci +3

    Nick is ridiculous. How do you criticise how a player performed in a year when he did not play?

    • @No-Hassle
      @No-Hassle Před 2 měsíci

      There is value in an L. There is no value in DNP. Making LBJ (an NBA ROY at the age of 18/19) better then MJ(wasn’t in the NBA yet).

  • @dom3810
    @dom3810 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Broussard not admitting 4th year Bron was better than rookie Jordan was when I tapped out the convo lol you got it

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci +2

      LeBron wasn't clearly better.

    • @heels4lifx
      @heels4lifx Před 2 měsíci

      4th year Bron was better then Jordan. But peak Jordan was better then Bron.

    • @dom3810
      @dom3810 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@heels4lifx could peak Jordan guard 5 positions?

    • @dom3810
      @dom3810 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@penkima4923 4th year Bron was clearly, unmistakably, and vehemently better than any Jordan up to when he won a ring lmfaoo

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 Před 2 měsíci

      @@dom3810 Ironically, 4th year Jordan won the regular season MVP, the all-stars MVP, the DPotY-award, the scoring title and led the league in steals, all in the same season. And that was before he won a ring.

  • @markgreenberg5903
    @markgreenberg5903 Před 2 měsíci +17

    Nick just don't want to accept the truth longevity can actually hurt you LeBron has been playing in the league all of this time and he still has less accomplishments than Michael Jordan yeah 40,000 points are great and everything but that does not make him the goat Karl Malone had more points than Michael Jordan did that make Karl Malone better than Michael Jordan nope

    • @MrClebophd
      @MrClebophd Před 2 měsíci +1

      I think he simply disagrees. Longevity is an amazing quality for a player. It is also a quality that the player is individually responsible for as opposed to winning which is a team accomplishment. Also, the reason for not showing up does not matter. If MJ was forced out of the league because of gambling issues or because he didn't have the motivational drive, that should definitely count against him in the GOAT debate. The most important stat is availability, and prolonged availability is longevity.

    • @djmitchell3464
      @djmitchell3464 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Longevity at a high level for a player for this long definitely out weigh any accomplishments. Yes Jordan won more Champs faster but it was only because his competitors were bums compared to the talent today have to keep it 💯 There was no player in the league during MJ time that could match him individually. You can say the same for Lebron also but the teams are better talent wise now compared to what Jordan was facing. Jordan competitors were not better they were just playing illegal basketball physically not using talent. Today players are way more skilled and this is why Lebron is highly Goated because his dominance this long against actually skilled players instead of illegal physical defense most think was talent. Lebron has faced way more highly talented players and teams than MJ could ever dream of. Talent wise it was a cake walk for Jordan not just because he was so great but his competition was weak skillfully across the league. So for MJ era he was the best but on today's game Lebron is the Goat because MJ could never win 6 in this era straight because it's matched talent or better. Keep in mind the guy mosts compared to Jordan is Kobe and he only has 5 rings in 20 years MJ 6 in 15 years with retirement Lebron 4 in 20 years Bill Russell 11 Champs in 13 years and Lebron still playing so when it comes to chips that's irrelevant to who's the best basketball player.

    • @aiman.21
      @aiman.21 Před 2 měsíci

      You unironically js disproved your own point by contradicting yourself. You can’t say “40000 points are great and all but Karl Malone has more points than Jordan and we’ve never looked at him as better”. At the end of the day it’s an accumulation of things on the resume that makes someone great. Not js one single metric like points or chips. Because same argument I can flip at you is bill Russel had more chips than jordan and Lebron combined but he’s not in the same realm as either. It’s not ab the chips or the points, but rather the accumulation of everything. So with that being said, how can playing longer possibly be detrimental to Lebrons career? How does winning less but accomplishing record milestones that prob won’t ever be caught hurt a legacy but taking a break twice and only winning 6 in 15 while not having the stats to show how individually great you were compared to others careers?

    • @mistersunshine1330
      @mistersunshine1330 Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@djmitchell3464You do realize on a per game basis MJ is the greatest ever right? With LeBron right behind him, he could ABSOLUTELY cook like he did then today, especially if there are no Bad Boy Pistons beatin him to the ground every chance they got.

    • @MrClebophd
      @MrClebophd Před 2 měsíci

      @@mistersunshine1330 Yes, this how incommensurability occurs. When two careers are too different in length, they cannot be compared. For the one with the shorter career, per game stats will be beneficial. For the one with the longer career, total stats will be beneficial. Problem is, there is no common ground or convention that we agreed upon about number of season. MJ fans will argue that the best 6 years of a career, but it is ultimately arbitrary.

  • @willliam1420
    @willliam1420 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Lebron doesn't even dominate his own era!!!

  • @theelementslook
    @theelementslook Před 2 měsíci +1

    Brou stuck his chest out and said, “we can look at the wins and losses TOO!” Like LeBron wasn’t in the WCFs LAST year! 😂😂😂

  • @ocarder
    @ocarder Před měsícem +1

    It's just a silly debate - if you watched both players at the PEAK of their powers... Jordan stands alone. He struck fear in heart of his opponents, and dominated the game in a way LeBron just didn't. Statistically when you compare their PER at their peaks... Jordan is slightly ahead in a league that played much tougher defense. You put Jordan in today's game and he would average 45+ per game.

  • @elwalker9034
    @elwalker9034 Před 2 měsíci +7

    He could score 80k. Still wouldn't be the GOAT.

    • @user-ut9is8nr2x
      @user-ut9is8nr2x Před 2 měsíci +3

      BUT HE WOULD BE THE MOST SCORER OF ALL TIME , RECORD WILL NEVA BE BROKEN , HOW BOUT THAT