Kobe or LeBron: Jim Jackson's unique insight expels the NBA's biggest myth | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Joining Cris Carter, Nick Wright and Jenna Wolfe on First Things First, Jim Jackson provides his unique, player insight to clarify, once and for all, how LeBron James stacks up to Kobe Bryant, MJ and Kareem, citing intangibles about the Black Mamba that are rarely ever noted by media pundits. Do you agree with Jim Jackson on his comparative analysis between Kobe, LeBron, MJ and Kareem?
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Kobe or LeBron: Jim Jackson's unique insight expels the NBA's biggest myth | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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Has LeBron James cemented himself as the greatest player ever?
Slow day at the office, huh?
no. next question
If he hits 40k, 10k, 10k and gets another ring ... YES !!!!!
"Im on the team...i was on the team"...Never heard of him!😂
yes
Did anyone else's jaw drop when Jim Jackson said 'Kobe shoulda had the MVP in the back to back years that Nash won?!' I clearly remember Jim Jackson playing with Nash back then & as a Kobe fan, hearing that made me feel like Kobe finally got some RESPECT !!!! Nick Wright's stock just fell after this one
MEDspiration® I did... I was like "THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES" and to know he played in nash's team at that time to say that shows how credible his statement is
shaq will argue with that claim. Nash deserve that vote as shaq and kobe teamed up together. Now its KD and Curry. what can you do about it? Nothing, Nash elevated every single player on that Phoenix Team. Jason Kidd should have been MVP for reaching the Finals, with a scrub team.
It's facts the players know. It's because like he said the league didn't like Kobe
Excellent take. I understand that Kobe wasn't liked. Even JR Smith once mentioned that Kobe was a 9 when compared to MJ as a 10. I don't have a problem if fans prefer MJ over Kobe, but Kobe is also a 10. Greats at that level when comparing MJ, Kobe, and LBJ are 10s. And that's why we continue to have these arguments. Because the variance of greatness between these great players are extremely small.
Fell, he don't have no stock !
Nick Wright has a Lebron Vibrator
Matt Sharkey hahahahahahha u killed me man hahahahahahahha
Matt Sharkey facts bro 😂😂
Matt Sharkey 😂
lmao @ lebron Vibrator
Wow. This was so funny that I cannot stop laughing. Hababa
" I was on the team when Steve Nash won back to back MVPs, Kobe was the best player in the League- Jim no bs Jackson" I respect you for that, straight facts.
How do you deserve MVP when you miss playoffs?
@@hitman321100 because playoffs are postseason stats
@@ramonpaul3147 How do you make playoffs? If you can't make the playoffs you are not the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.
@@hitman321100 Kobe missed 18 games that season LA didn't make the postseason
@@bobbydigital5378 Which proves even more for why he didn't deserve MVP in 2005.
Respect that he stood up for bean before he passed RIP
Word.
1️⃣0️⃣0️⃣
Now we seeing more of the media after Kobe tragic demise
Let's be real, the only reason people stand up for him is because he was a great player and because he died young. In life, he was not exactly a nice guy and we know he did at least one really bad thing off the court people really like to overlook.
@@randumo24 No, Kobe was always seen as an inspiring figure way before he passed
Jim Jackson was kinda implying that LeBron is a stat padder
TexasTea 346 because he is
and he is
Well he is?!
Implying that Lebron is not as competitive
TexasTea 346 He wouldn't be wrong tho...
"I was in Suns team when Nash won back 2 back MVPs.. and the best player in the League was Kobe Bryant. He should of won" -Jackson
So the best player got knocked out the first round in his prime?
YFlyr yeah, did you see his roster?
Earvin Manansala enlighten me
YFlyr Smush Parker and Kwame Brown that should say enough.
@@Traviee123 most of Kobe teammates during his prime could not even play in the league after leaving him. Said enough.
lakers starting 5 vs the suns in 06:
smush parker
kobe bryant
luke walton
lamar odom
kwame brown
the fact they even won 3 games is a testament to kobe
Thank you
In the west at that
Thank you again 😊
@@joshloach9016 What you said....
@@joshloach9016 Nick Wrong never brings that up about LeChoke playing in the pathetic and sorry Eastern Conference for the majority of his career!
Did that talking nose just say Kobe being in the GOAT 🐐 conversation is laughable?!
When Kobe died nick wright was so depressed
Where's the lie? Nobody talks about Kobe as the GOAT.
@@buttistedsuidice3296 nobody??if you mean the media then ok,but know this..these media people never played ball...players choose Kobe.. media choose lebron...Kobe definitely deserve to be apart of that goat convo...bron as great as he is had lost in the finals 6x..swept twice...lost back2back twice...went to 8straight finals only won 3 times...went 9 out of 10 years to the finals (which is great)lost 5 times...the player who been stacking his team from 2010 till now...the man is great but better than Kobe,not in my book.....the game is played to win homie and Kobe did winning better than bron ever did...5-2 is better than 4-6 in every way....champions are celebrated not runner ups...
@@lenoncho3777 you mention all these numbers and all these losses but in the end Lebron played better competition in the finals than Kobe and Kobe had another top10 player of all time on his team for his first 3 rings. so you can make an argument that Kobe is better but if you use their finals record to do it you'll lose
How can he if mj is a better version of him
Let’s be real after the Denver situation Kobe lost out on 2 MVPs I’ll admit as a fan of both
This is the elephant in the room. And Kobe was so good they still gave him one. His greatness could not be denied.
That is absolutely correct!!!
The nba didn’t want that on their record just bcus of allegations
4 if u ask me, both Nash, Dirk & Duncan's
I been watching Basketball since 1970 and never saw a year I would give Kobe MVP. And certainly not the one he got. I had Chris Paul that year and Kobe 3rd.
Lakers missed the playoffs in 05
Kobe in the discussion is laughable????? Bro people that played against and with Kobe have repeatedly said kobe over lebron that’s what should matter, not the opinions of nick wrong 😪
adding to the fact that Jims opinion actually IS the right one lol
Word and nick is the problem with sports media
Kobe vs lebron... who threw more bricks? End of story.
@@etriganseven6042 who have more rings on less tries , end of story . atleast he tried LMAO
Lebron on those years that he went to the finals, competed in the Eastern Conference, the Western Conf. teams are at another level.
Did dude just say "Kobe in this discussion is laughable".Wow, these writer are blind.Give me Kobe, thank you.
Sidney Owens 🤦🏽♀️
All day!!
As much as i hate nick wright, hes absolutely right. Kobe is the most overrated superstar in nba history.
Kobe shouldn't be in the discussion for goat...
@@George26445 lebron is the most overrated superstar ever Kobe Is not even overrated
Wouldn’t a player who actually played in the NBA have a better insight than a analyst who’s never played a professional sport?🤔
Thats why I take sports personalities like Nick Wrong with a grain of salt. Same goes for Rob Parker
Not in the bizarro world of Bron-Bron love. 💕
That doesn't make any sense because of that was the case then every person that is older than u you should always take there advice no matter what
Yep
@@theking-ru5em thats not the same comparison at all. It has nothing to do with age, it has to do with what the person has done with their life. If someone has experience fixing kitchen sinks and you don't, you should take their advice whether they are older or younger than you. In this case, if someone has experience playing against both Kobe and Lebron and he thinks Kobe is harder to play against, I'd take his word over someone who watched from afar but never played.
Players always pick Kobe
Forgem Nos: Yet none of them give an actual unbiased reason why
Its jealousy
Forgem Nos u right
And hall of famers pick Lebron.
which is why they always say kobe is better because of "skill" which is a really poor arguement
“Kobe was the best player for 1 year” OH MY GOD people love to hate Kobe lol
inam fcbb When Nick made that statement, I got so mad!😡
Travis Blair its just disrespectful , its ok to not like him as a player but you can’t say that , Kobe was the best player in the world from 2002-2011 and every player knows that except these analysts who hate Kobe so much i dont know why
inam fcbb I agree! That's what I'm saying! In his prime, nor ever, Kobe NEVER had this much media hype like LeBron constantly gets, even when Kobe was in his prime.
inam fcbb are you high 😂😂😂😂
Luck Fove I can't speak for him, but I'M DEFINITELY NOT! Respect the Mamba 🐍! #Ko8e24
Kobe played against way tougher competition to get to the Finals than Lebron ever did also Nick never wants to address that!!!!
Bruh Kobe 1st championship with shaq on his team the best player ! He played old Reggie Miller and the pacers then played Iverson by himself against Kobe and shaq lol the 3rd was against Jason Kidd and the nets lol 🤣🤣🤣 real tough !
@@AngelPerez-pc4sf other than reggie yeh its tough and you forgot the other 2 chips
@@AngelPerez-pc4sf Everyone who old enough knows at that time the finals was out west. The nba finals had no team with a big man so Shaq had a easy series.
@@gavinmccullough1844 that's what I'm saying tho I'm 29 years old grow up seen all that the finals teams Kobe went up against were weak
@@AngelPerez-pc4sf He said "Road TO the FInals"; LAL had to go through Spurs, Sacramento w/ Chris Webber & , "5 secs or less" Suns, OKC, etc....Miami & Cleveland basically had......Boston? Orlando? who were close to that level.
Imma agree with the dude that played at the highest level for years over a journalist
@Tyler Nolan okay but didnt this "pro" also say we can nitpick on everybodys career when nick mentioned that game? then goes ahead and rants abouy lebrons game vs mavs. a players argument is as valid as mine if it makes sense, and just as invalid if it doesnt, im not saying kobe is better or worse but his argument about letting people off the hook is incomplete and doesnt make sense, come up with better arguments with or without stats and we can have a discussion, his take is just trash
NickWright isn’t just a journalist in this matter, he’s a ride or die Lebron’s fan that would do anything for Lebron!!! For that case, his arguments when it comes to Lebron will never make sense as they’re way too obvious sidelined towards Lebron’s favor.
He was on the team
Nick doesn't understand that Jim is trying to say people aren't afraid of Lebron like they were Kobe and MJ. It was a different animal when you faced those guys. The intensity was different.
Exactly... because Kobe and MJ weren't afraid of ANYONE... win or lose they did it their way... they didn't give the ball to anyone else on the last shot... Kobe was a LEADER... Lebron is just a dude that demands everyone to play EXACTLY as he says and do whatever he wants... Kevin Love was reduced to a corner 3pt shooting role player for god's sake... Chris Bosh was reduced to a catch and shoot player too with Lebron... he never let his teammates really play...
Also, if Lebron went up against a prime Kobe in finals he would be TRASHED... big time... after Kobe hit 2-3 shots in his faced and started the trash talking, Lebron would be shaking in his shoes...
@@sportschool3537 Kobe is a leader lmfao you sound dumb af... How many players he ran out of L.A. or tried to have?? Shaq, Bynum, Dwight.. Not to mention he was allergic to passing the ball... Also ppl love to make it seem like Kobe was some great shooter... Foh he shot like 44% for his career.. That's average at best..
@@bornind.c.in8881 pretty good when you're being double teamed most of the time and guarded by the best guard of the opposing team whose assignment is to stop kobe meaning just play intense defense barely any offense.
@@bornind.c.in8881 at least Kobe can play offball. Lebron becomes a liability when he doesn't have the ball. Lebron doesn't intimidate his opponents, I still remember that last minutes against Dallas when he was open for a three point shot but instead pass it inside to Bosh who were closely guard and it ended up in a turnover. If only Lebron had MJ's mentality then he might be the GOAT, but now, not even close to MJ.
LaQueen has no ❤.
Players choose Kobe over lebron
dlawson688 Players also choose Lebron over Kobe also
@@edgewoodaldridge Not a lot players choose lebron over Kobe. KD, MJ, Allen Iverson, Tmac, Pierce, Harden, Kyrie, Steph, Shaq, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Jim Jackson, Nash, Dirk, Dwade, and Kobe's teammates all said he was better than Lebron. Coaches also picked Kobe over lebron especially when it comes to winning. How many players choose Lebron over Kobe? Not so much.
@One Lebron isnt tho. I do like Lebron but I wil never put Lebron over kobe and dont use stats cause stats dont tell you everything.
I'm gonna take Kobe with everything on the line in the finals. Everytime I've watched Lebron in the finals against the shot clock he'll take the ball ,but it looked like he really didn't want that responsibility. Jordan is goat.
Jordan and kobe are on a league of their own and what sets them both apart from lebron is they have both won all defensive team.. lebron has never ever won that.. and that's why he won't make the playoffs this year also... because he has no d!!
Lebron James literally said Kobe was the best player in the league in 2009
Why did Lebron say that he was the Goat then?
@@eking5715 That was 2016 lol around his "homies."
@@eking5715 READ the comment again. He said “2009”.
Said from like 06-09
This is my first time seeing nick...and will be the last. Wow.
He is quite terrible.
Yet here we are
Why so? He gets cut while trying to argue and he actually had good points. Sure players know what players are great and I think their point of view should be taken into account as well for MVP conversations, but
1. you cannot say one player is better than another only based on how it feels to play them (intangible, not hard facts to back it up) and saying Kobe is better because he doesn't leave off the hook is not enough to justify it
2. Different players have different opinions (not all players say Kobe is the best!)
3. Sure the guy played MJ, Kobe and LeBron, but he played MJ when he wasn't the best version of MJ anymore, Played LeBron when LeBron was not yet at his best and played Kobe at his best. If you play someone at his pick and not the others, you can't say he is the best cause that's how I felt when you played them can't you?
To me, both had good points, but overall Nick understood the good points of the other player but he is right saying "feeling it" is not enough to define who is the best
@@brunopinard1825 the reason why he can say that is because Nick himself is biased look how he addressed Kobe Bryant it's not the best shooting guard of all time no less than number two he regarded Kobe Bryant as that other guy just think about that for a minute that's why people like Nick wright or AKA Nick wrong gets no respect because he's obviously biased and Jim Jackson has a point LeBron James is what we call a frontrunner if it's not made easy for him he's not trying to do it he takes all the credit when things are good and he throws his team under the bus when things are bad and a lot of NBA players have said it's about LeBron I've met the guy it's not a nice guy and as a basketball player to be honest he quite selfish
Players always choose Kobe.
kisswriters Well those guys spent 1 year failing college
Isiah Thomas (hall of famer piston)thinks Lebron is the goat and his opinion should matter because he's a hall of famer
Endo Kenzo he just hates MJ. And if MJ is thought to be the great then you have to compare Kobe to him, this he has to chose lebron
Peeka Bow You write as if you failed college, too.
because they know kobe far better than numbers say
Is no one gonna mention the fact that kobe was in the tougher western conference
conflicc ricks swept by mavs 😂 thats really tough
@Dat Jr. down playing the western conference as being tough.. Well you clearly have no knowledge.. Even the Mavs at that point were better than half the East playoff teams. Your comment is laughable
Yeah and that was the year that the "big three" in Miami lost to them in the finals.
To win 5 championships in the western conference is something truly amazing. Western conference is tough, really tough, and kobe still accomplished all that in the west, something Jordan or Lebron couldn't possibly imagine. So in who's the greatest, Kobe certainly deserves to be mention in that conversation, it's a crime not mentioning him in those debates. Jordan of course had more competition in the east than Lebron had. So, getting to the finals every year in the east is a walk in the park, we'll see if LBJ can still get to the finals this year in the west. Now, he has to overcome the Warriors.
Is no one gonna mention the fact that LeBron looks like he's about to put some inches into Kobe in the thumbnail?
Tell em' J.J.! Kobe was a BEAST. As great as his numbers were, they actually would've been even better, had he not been held back his first couple seasons, and forced to share so much of the offensive load with Shaq. As far as raw ability and competitiveness, Kobe's definitely on par with MJ. MJ knows this, and has admitted this.
Held back?? Kobe doesn’t get those 3 rings without Shaq! They don’t even reach the finals any of those 3 years without Shaq what are you saying??
@@gregharper6382 In order for Shaq to be productive, he needed to get fed down low, and score. Had Kobe played with a big man who didn't need the ball as much, Kobe would've shot and scored more. But the way it played out, they obviously needed each other, to win championships.
It's so frustrating to watch someone clearly more qualified to discuss how good a player was and explain how it's a nuanced conversations that should have a lot of names in it because of the eras and peoples biases and just not hear it over the screaming of his own priveledge.
Nick Wright has a crazy case of Kobe hate. Jimmy Jackson played and Nick didn't. End of conversation.
Thai Tran Kobe never jumped to another team to win titles he was loyal to the Lakers nick Wright will never say that he won titles without shaq nick will never say that the Lakers got eliminated in the first with Kareem and magic in 1981 nick will never say that the celtics also lost in the first round also with Larry bird on the team
Ricardo Lozano he wasn't loyal at all lol, he just wasn't able to get traded
"Kobe Bryant was only the best player for one season"...that is one of the most stupid and ridiculous statements ever made. He's lost all credibility..
antre devers no kidding!!🙄🤦♂️
He never had any
yea once i heard that i said yea this guy is stupid
Kobe was the best From 2003-2010. Every nba player knew it and said it was Kobe’s league including LeBron.
John B I will give you 2004 to 2008
Shaq was still better then Kobe in 2004 (as was Duncan).
2009 is the year Lebron surpassed him and never looked back.
Kobe was arguably the best over that 4 year span. His team missed the playoffs one year and got bounced in the first round twice.
Garnett and Duncan make good argumants in that time span as well...
If you are one of those people who consider Kobe better then Lebron in 09 and 10 because of Lebron's lack of playoff success, then Kobe has no argument from 04 to 08 due to his lack of playoff success.
Lebron has reigned undisputed for the past decade.
...
One guy is arguably the best for 4 years (in which he made zero noise in the post season) vs one who has been undisputed for a decade (including 8 straight Finals appearances).
Kobe has a winning record of 5-2 in the Finals, A Dynasty and a 3peat
Lebron = has a losing record of 3-6 including 2 sweeps in the Finals, No Dynasty and no 3peat
Lesson: Stats and Analytics don't equate to Winning Championships
Kobe also wasn’t the main player on his team for three of his championships, which all three were during that three peat.
@@jorgeescalante8275 wrong. kobe and shaq were equal contributors and leaders of the lakers. proof below.
1999-2000 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq & Kobe
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 21ppg 4reb 4ast
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2000-2001 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq & Kobe
Shaq 30ppg 15reb 3ast
Kobe 29ppg 7reb 6ast
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2001-2002 Playoffs + Finals
Shaq & Kobe
Shaq 28ppg 12reb 2ast
Kobe 26.6 ppg 5reb 4.6 ast
😂
@@jaydubb2005 if they were equal why did Kobe never win a finals mvp when playing with shaq? Saying they were equal is like saying pippen and Jordan were equal
@@jaydubb2005 2000 finals Kobe averaged 15 points shaq averaged 38. 2001 finals Kobe averaged 24 shaq averaged 33
@@jaydubb2005 still waiting for a response
FROM A PLAYER/ATHLETE'S POINT OF VIEW..it is KOBE!!! it is not about numbers and statistics, but quality of play, ethics, honesty, integrity, focus, competitiveness, innervstrength and determination....what else is there? Kobe is the greatest!
🐐🐐🐐🐐
Not from my POV…
Lebron is the greater player
Yeah nah
@@munir9527 na lebron can rebound better that's about it also can guard the 5 better and drive better Kobe more heart mid range three tougher shots more consistent defender more titles same team .
People just listen to Nick Wright instead of taking context into account. The year the Lakers missed the playoffs, Kobe played only 66 games but averaged 28 pts, 6 rebs, and 6 asts. The second leading scorer was Odom who averaged 15 pts, but only played 64 games. The next year, Kobe averaged 35 pts, 5 rebs, and 5 asts and led the Lakers to 45 wins in a conference with TWO 60 win teams. If Anthony Davis, Westbrook, or Lillard averaged these numbers and were the 7th seed, everyone would say they have no help and consider them for MVP. People keep saying LeBron never lost in the first round in that time period, but he had home court advantage with his team ONLY having 50 wins or less because he plays in the EAST. Kobe was the seventh seed because the West was and is too stacked for one player to lead a team to get a top 4 seed.
Also, Nick Wright keeps saying Kobe blew a 3-1 lead. People keep forgetting that the Lakers were the 7th seed that year. Yes, the 7th seed. They led the 2nd seeded Suns 3-1 thanks to Kobe averaging 28, 5, and 6 and Amare being out till game 5. However, when Amare, one of the best players in the league, came back, the Lakers had no shot. The thing that angered me the most is when Nick Wright said Kobe was only the best player for ONE YEAR. If that is so, how come Kobe was the highest rated player for SIX nba 2k games? How come he made THREE straight finals in the WEST and won TWO and won TWO Finals MVPS? How come he averaged 27.8, 5, and 5 from 2001-2013? How come he was voted FIRST TEAM ALL-DEFENSE 9 times in that span? How come he was the highest paid player in basketball? How come he averaged 32, 7, and 6 against the Magic in the Finals, the team that beat LeBron in the ECF?
Just face it. Statistically speaking LeBron is the better player. For the culture of basketball Kobe had a huge impact and following. But Kobe will never be up there with the Mount Rushmore of basketball, even if he could drive and force a fade away over five defenders lol. Quite simple, Kobe patterned his game after another all timer, who was better than he was. That alone renounces him as all time great. He's not even the best alive at his own position or his franchise. He's among the greats definitely, but I wouldn't even put him over Jerry West and they played in two different eras for the same franchise.
Cris Law#JurassicPark#VelociRAPTORS#FINALSBOUND. I'm not even talking stats. I'm using the eyeball test and he still isn't good enough amongst his Laker peers regardless of eras. Defense is a overrated achievement. Nobody plays real defense til the playoffs start.
Stats may seem “inflated” due to the fact that the league is more talented than passed eras
Context matters yes
Shelton Harris Kareem is the only laker that is both statistically and achievement-wise better than Kobe Bryant, every other laker great is not. I challenge you to present me with BOTH stats and accolades to prove it. Statistically speaking, Lebron is the best player we have seen. I will give you that. Statistically speaking Peyton Manning is the best at his respective sport.....doesn’t necessarily make him the greatest QB of all time. Fact of the matter is this....numbers are important but they aren’t everything.
Someone tell Nick to go play with smush Parker and see how far he gets in life😂😂😂😂
I don't like lebron because his stats padding..
@@analynsaburao983 Exactly. Dude puts stats over actually making winning plays more often than not.
You forgot Kwame Brown
The fact you said Kobe amongst the 3 is laughable.... Everything that comes out of your mouth from that point on doesnt matter
The fact people used the Suns series against Kobe without providing context was always crazy. Kobe took Luke, Smush and Kwame to 7 games against the 1 seed, Nick's acting like they were favorites to win or something. It's actually one of his great accomplishments to even make that a series!
The fact that he was in his prime and the were in the 8th seed is already telling of the lower impact of him winning games for his team than other greats.
@@randumo24 Really? Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook, Devin Green, Ronny Turiaf, Luke Walton etc., all he had was Odom lol. That's possibly the worst Lakers team to ever make the playoffs.
@@rell_5000 Yes well that doesn't mean you shouldn't be better than 8th seed when you're supposedly the best player in the world in your prime.
For reference, LeBron won games off of the 2015 67 win Warriors when the 2nd best player on that roster at the time was likely fkn Mathew Dellavedova. LeBron was so dominant in his prime that both the 2014 & 2015 Finals MVPs were basically given to the players who guarded him the best on the other team lol.
@@randumo24 So you're saying Dellavedova, who actually had a decent NBA career, is worse than Smush Parker? He did a helluva job on Steph early in that series. He held him scoreless when he was guarding him in one game ffs. The Cavs started losing that series after he had to go to the hospital for dehydration. That team as a whole was vastly better and deeper than that Lakers team Kobe dragged to the playoffs. It's not even close.
@@rell_5000 Lol, really just sounds like you're a Kobe fanboy here. You're acting as if getting a team to the 8th seed & losing in the first round is a major accomplishment.
Also, no Dellavedova is not a good player, especially as a 2nd best he's god awful. His career average is 5.5 ppg on 38 FG%. In that season, he averaged 4.8 ppg on 36% lol.
Btw, for your so called deep 2015 Cavs team, it's clear you're just a Kobe fanboy who has no idea what they're talking about. Please tell me what about this rotation around LeBron screams help: Dellavedova, Shumpert, Tristan Thompson, Mozgov, James Jones, JR Smith, & Mike Miller.
That was his help in those NBA Finals that he managed to win 2 games against a 67 win team against. What LeBron did with the 2018 Cavs team on a whole is a carry job far beyond what Kobe was ever capable of too.
People always talk 2 way players and forget Kobe was all nba defense 12 times,9 first team 3 second team. LeBron 6.
Kenneth Head They handed Kobe those awards towards the end of his career. He was horrendous defensively for a couple of those awards and they still gave it to him. Over a guy like Tony Allen who was in his prime defensively.
But numbers don't matter, huh?
Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 Kobe didn't deserve his last all defense team awards that late into his career. Same way LeBron doesn't deserve them at this point in his career. Simple as that.
Go ahead and sit there with a straight face and say he deserved his 2010/2011/2012 All defense award over Tony Allen....
tony tonyt almost don't count
Kobe defense was a little overrwted even phil jackson said so
This dude nick doesn’t like Kobe which the dude said from the beginning people don’t give Kobe credit because they don’t like him
9:33 he clearly contradicts himself then because LeBron didn’t even make the playoffs his first year in LA....
so we gonna pretend that if LeBron didn't get hurt the Lakers wouldn't have made the playoffs? lol
@@diogoserra988 didn’t lebron activate “playoff mode”, they were still in playoff contention when he got back but clearly didn’t get the job done. They were 29-29 after the all star break and they lost 16 of the last 24 games.
Nick Wright gets so personal and emotional when debating about LeBron lmao
Coz he is inlove with lebron hahaha
I would LOVE for Kobe to guest star on FTF. Lol. Let's see if Nick will reiterate his points when the Mamba is next to him
I think lebron is gonna end up with more rings. I mean it aint crazy. Let's wait till Bron is done playing then have this convo. Because if bron wins so more rings then this whole vid is outdated.
@@nonename8589 Bron ain't winning another ring unless he moves back to the east
@@nonename8589 only if he gathers all the support on all sort of levels to force the Warriors to take him inplace of KD.
@@kingofgrooveness what are you talking about? To win a ring in the east you have to beat the best team in the west. Lmfao hush hush you dont know logic
@@boated23 the best chances of winning a ring is getting to the finals. He has no chance to get there in the west, Fucktwat.
Nick is unbearable especially regarding his wet dream LeBron
hes a fking creep
Paulie he's not worse than Shannon Sharpe though LOL
If him and Nick get a show it would be a LeBron fans wet dream lol
Eli Ben Nah Nick is the worst. Lol. He sounds as bad as Jordan fans just with LeBron instead. Lol.
Paulie who even is that guy? I've never heard of him before. How can he even in his right mind sit there and argue with a guy who has hands on factual information about what he's talking about? What a mook
“Losing in the first round with the best player in the world is an anomaly” - nick Wright...
Hmm 🤔 wonder what he says now
Lebron didn't even make it to the playoffs with a team that was projected to make it to the WCF in 2019 by most analysts. Then bounced out in 1st round in 2021. So much for the best player in the world.
@@rizahawke2059 And they're gonna reason out he's Old and Washed like WTF? he just got lazy with just a wrong play like a kid on the court if it was Kobe he'd be shouting at Kuzma to sit down and watch him do that game
@@rizahawke2059 conveniently left out the fact that he won a championship in 2020. But you'll just make every excuse in the book why he won that one. And then also left out that he got injured in both seasons that he didn't win.
LeBron's two first mvps should have been Kobe's especially 09 Lakers beat cavs twice and had the same record
Not even LeBron led his team to 66 wins 1st MVP and 60 wins in 2nd MVP. He also averaged more Points, Rebounds and Assists than Kobe. Kobe didn't even lead his team in win shares.
Nah, respectfully
What a dumb comment
Nick “I have never hooped ever in my life” Wright.
Nick is a fanboy baseball card collecting stat munching sports personality who will never respect a players point of view because he's so entrenched in his own opinion of Lebron. Nick refuses to see all of Lebron's losses in big games but instead digs in with his stats make someone the best claims. Yeah stats matter, but if you have stats and the rings to back them up well that should tell you who's better. 6 beats 5, 5 beats 3 it's that simple
Kobe is hated by the media and especially ESPN haha
Dingdong Basa why does espn and media hate kobe so much..its ridiculous
He's a cold competitor and soft PC people don't like that,so the NBA push soft crybaby leflop James on people because his nice guy image ,is marketable to soft PC white people
ESPN hates him ? What’s Detail on ?
but this is fox
Dingdong Basa Yeah he's so hated that they gave him his own TV segment
The last time Lebron was in the Finals didn’t he get swept???? What GOAT gets swept????
Swept twice, with 6 finals Ls.
@@lucasmichaels2204 remember when Jason Terry 🛩 outplayed The False King and usurped his title
Jordan got swept twice LeBron twice kobe 2 times I believe although it may have been more, YOURE an idiot
Kobe contributed more to his rings than Kareem did
FACTS 💯
@@travisblair3189 In Kareem’s last two rings in 87 & 88, Kareem was just a role player, not even an all star and no where close to a superstar. Kareem averaged 17 & 6 boards in the 87 regular season and 19 & 7 in 87 playoffs. In the 88 regular season Kareem averaged 14 & 6 in the regular season and 14 & 5 in the 88 playoffs.
Compare that to Kobe’s last two rings which are much better. In 09 regular season Kobe averaged 27, 5 & 5 and 30, 6 & 6 in the 09 playoffs. In the 2010 regular season Kobe averaged 27, 5 & 5 and 29, 6 & 5 in the playoffs
@@travisblair3189 For most of Kobe championship runs except for 2000, Kobe contributed more than Kareem. Kareem won a chip in the 70s where it was a weaker era with no dominant teams. Did research on Kareem & I heard in the 70s Kareem was getting outplayed by opposing centers in the playoffs like Bill Walton, Dave Cowens, Nate Thurmond and getting outplayed by a 35 year old Wilt.
Kareem had mediocre success in the playoffs after the 71 chip and at one point missed the playoffs 2 consecutive years in his prime but somehow won an MVP in one of those years SMH.
Then Kareem got saved by Magic in 1980 where the team became Magic’s team after he won the 80 Finals MVP replacing an injured Kareem playing C, it was a wrap after that. Just like Kobe with Shaq, Kareem was the second option to Magic with Magic being the main option. Magic was the best player & leader of those Showtime Lakers. Somehow the narrative of Kareem of not being the best player on his team doesn’t affect his legacy the same way as Kobe with Shaq.
Even with Kobe winning 2 consecutive chips with Gasol he still gets discredited. There’s a double standard with Kobe. Every all time great gets their credit for what they contributed except for Kobe
@@anthonycelestin3559 Agreed.
Kobe was the best player for 1 year? 😁😂 Nick Wright's ignorance precedes him.
Well, he only has one MVP.
@@Sound_Groove_of_America He was robbed to be honest.
@@Sound_Groove_of_America Shaq also only has one mvp
Honestly Kobe was never the best player in the league. It went from mj, to shaq, to Timmy, to bron.
Cam Aros did you watch him before the injuries? I hated Kobe but he was one of the most unstoppable players I've ever seen
Kobe is the far more dangerous scorer, and Lebron has benefited greatly from playing in an era lacking in dominant defensive big men. Let me explain.
Think of the teams Lebron had trouble winning against: Pistons with Ben Wallace, Spurs with Duncan, Magic with Dwight Howard, Mavericks with Tyson Chandler, Warriors with Andrew Bogut. All of these big men were defensive minded, clog the paint players. That means it's hard to score in the paint against them, and therefore you need a midrange or 3 point game as a scorer. The reason Lebron's overall FG% is so high is because most of his shots come at 0-3 feet. In the midrange, he is worse than Kobe at every distance:
3-10 feet: Lebron 42.4%, Kobe 44.8%
10-16 feet: Lebron 36.7%, Kobe 43.9%
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All true but few have SEEN the game enough to go this deep..Through no fault of his own Lebron happens to play in a league that plays exactly to his strengths - a master of rim running and drive/kick in a league with weak/late rim protection as a rule, maximum spacing and replete with decent 3 pt. shooters that his front offices have wisely surrounded him with. At the same time he provided the perfect poster child to the bball analytics movement who tend to favor "production" in a vacuum and shoo other context (even winning) away as mere sentimentality or confirmation bias. Lebron's branding team and the media have been symbiotic, legitimizing each other to the point that he's just about won the propaganda war not just against Kobe but MJ himself, at least among some demographics that probably constitute a large plurality at this point.
I always say this 🤣. He even had problems with Mcgee
Hold up there's no way Kobe shot 40% from 3 for his career
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@@back2back379 oh yeah whoops I read that wrong
I've been watching the NBA since I was a little boy. I've played the game. I understand the game and how it has changed. The argument about stats in today's era is that it is an era in which it is easier to score. Defense is not what it was, and players had to work harder in the paint to score. In fact, I've seen more uncontested shots in today's game than ever before. I also see WAY more fouls being called for grazing an opponent,. It's ridiculous how many players are flopping. In old school ball the floor was not spread as wide and there were more guards crashing the boards and posting up. Analytics today favors getting an easier layup or the kick out for a three pointer. Teams focus on big men stroking threes. The game is very different. We can't forget or lose sight of the latter. Now, with all that being said, what has not changed is what a killer instinct is, what tougher competitiveness looks like, or what it means to be more clutch. Kobe was tougher, was an assassin, and was more clutch. Stop focusing on stats because again stats look different when comparing eras; 90's ball was about the big men and/or working the ball in the paint, and today is the opposite--working the ball around the perimeter (including big men) to get the three ball or a mid-range jumper with the floor more spread and softer defense because it is now much easier to get a trip to the FT line. It's a matter of opinion, and mine is that I got Kobe over LeBron. LeBron is a better passer/facilitator, but Kobe was a better two-way player and was more dangerous with his killer instinct that the game hadn't seen since Jordan or Bird.
It’s weird he won’t let Nick talk and ignores the questions….
Glad to know perception isn’t necessarily reality 💯
Laughable that a writer can debate an actual athlete who played the game against all 3 of the guys in question😂
This can’t be life🤦🏽♂️😤
jim "let me tell you as a playyer" jackson added nothing a writer couldn't tell you
the nuisance - Athletes are biased too.
Players can be biased lol you can’t just disregard numbers 🤷🏾♂️
Just because he played with them dont mean he knows what hes talking about
Nick needs to just shut up and listen.
I turned it off when this clown said that Kobe being in the conversation is laughable. Who let this guy in front of a camera?
kobe is better than kareem? or jordan? or lebron? i still put magic ahead of kobe, but that list isnt that close. and yet you got big O and wilt MAYBE an eyelash behind kobe. laughable? no. close? also no.
and kobe in front of big O is prolly only cuz i got to watch kobe
I turned it off when he said Kobe was the best player in the league for 1 year. Dude sounds like all these lebron nut huggers that were born in 2005. This the same guy that said lebron officially passed jordan in the 2015 finals, how tf did he even get this job.
herogibson the big O is purely stats he didn’t really win anything other then that one time with a man named Lue alcindor
herogibson when the man magic puts Kobe over him self then Kobe is better. Kobe is number 4 on my list
Kobe wasn’t letting anyone off the hook. He was protesting ownerships assembling of the team he had. He wanted help and showed them by not shooting he had none
Y'all be making excuses for mediocrity
That would be letting the other team off the hook good sir
he scored 50 and still lost, what mediocrity are you talking about, then averaged 33,8,7 in 09' against the suns, u know why? coz he doesnt let you off the hook@@tomzd99
Define letting teams off the hook lol
Thank you for giving Kareem the proper respect he earned, Jim.
"Kobe was best player for maybe 1 year" literally the dumbest statement I ever heard on youtube
exactly
Purple Goldie I literally paused the video and stared at the screen for a clean 2 minutes before resuming after that statement. I seriously can’t believe I heard a sports analyst say that.
mdace15 he is a fool for sure.lol
Take the emotion out of it. For 7,8 years it was Shaq. No argument. For 2-3 years MAX you could say it was Kobe over Bron, but Bron eclipsed him pretty quick. And as we all know Kobe was washed for the last 5 years. So yea. Kobe was unquestioned best player for no more than 3 years, MAYBE 4. Bron is going on 10 years unquestioned and plus 2 or 3 debatable
In my opinion, Kobe was the best player in the NBA from 2003 to 2011; in the early 2000's Shaq even said it himself that Kobe was the best player in the league.
He has an argument though. People who played basketball and watched Kobe or MJ or played against them know the deal. They were both incredible defenders most of their careers, Kobe's jumpshot was perfection and he had the greatest footwork I've ever seen to this day. The writers and sports talk people will never revere him as highly as other guys because they care about off the court and personalities and also only look at stats. MJ and Kobe were both way better than even what their stats might tell you. Lebron is great, but as far as straight basketball skills are concerned, MJ and Kobe were on a completely different level. If I was training a young kid to play basketball and build his skillset, I would tell him to watch MJ and Kobe instead of Lebron. Lebron's size/strength allows him to accomplish more on the court, while the other guys didn't have that advantage so they had to be more skilled to compensate.
Kobe's jumpshot was so perfect that he shot 40% from the field.
OfficialRelyseMusic exactly I've been saying this for years.... Good to see someone else knows basketball.... Instead of just regergitating what they heard the media says.
OfficialRelyseMusic... i don't get it... everybody says that LeBron wouldn't have a chance in jordans era... more physical and stuff like that.... but he has a advantage in especially that point... so why wouldn't lebron dominate the jordan era?
Not to mention the fact the way players used to stop MJ scoring in the 90s is now a flagrant foul.
Can you imagine MJ's stats if he was playing with todays rules..
Cletus Spuckler aha... but if i do that u have to be implementing the baby refs... so jordan would be kicked out of every 3rd match bc of his trash talkin
5:45 the exchange of looks between Cris and Jenna :-) ......priceless ;-)
Kobe on another level..plain and simple
Nick Wright is the biggest Kobe hater ever.
Kobe should be a guest on that show
Kobe Bryant in 06 had his laker team up 3-1 to the best team in the west (suns) with smush Parker as is starting point guard, Luke Walton as his starting small forward, and Kwame Brown as his starting center... if Lebron has done this nick wright would have called it a great accomplishment on Lebrons part.
kobeb365 its all about narrative man I'm telling u
Go look at what LeBron took to the '07 finals, I'll wait.
You might want to go look at the '07 roster. You're trying to put together a composite roster of the best Cavs players from the pre LeBron Heat days. Mo Williams was not there yet, and Drew Gooden was not that good. It was not a good team around him at all. There's a good reason why the roster the next year looked a lot different.
Ballin Too
Kobe never shot above 46.9% FG even playing with a Prime Superstar Shaq O'Neal who got double and triple teamed and 3point shooters Glen Rice and Robert Horry and Derrick Fisher 😂
As a rookie 🐐Jordan 28.2 PPG and 51% FG with no 3point shooters are another great player 😂
Goat 🐐 Jordan >> Copycat Kobe
kobeb365 you might not want to use that example. That series Kobe actually gave up on his team.
"The team with the best player in the world got bounced in the first round. That's an anomaly in NBA history."
Except when it happened to Jordan against Bird. Nick Wright is a cloooooown.
Jordan wasn't just entering his prime and sitting on 3 rings in 4 straight finals appearances. Moot
Steve Nash, Joe Johnson, Amare, Shawn Marion Vs Kobe &.....Kwame Brown with Smush Parker....Up 3-1 wit No help & they played like the team Kobe really had the rest of the series. Stopped shooting to show management his team was all Him.💯
Nick Wright would be LOST in any basketball conversation without a stat sheet.
why would a stat sheet not be there its basketball. how youre going to know how point your team. like the scoreboard is a stat
tory Mason Isaiah Thomas avg 29 last year Damian lillard never did that it's not even a comparis9n who is better
bwink23 How dare he have facts available to make his point. Outrageous!
4th Dimension Isiah Thomas was better that year. Now put lebron prime year and Kobe prime year
Ballin Too who got the Celtics to the top seed Isaiah
jason terry outplayed lebron in the finals when the heat lost to the mavericks...that automatically disqualifies lebron from EVER being considered the GOAT
kobe got swept by that same team lol
The 5 L's in the finals alone disqualifies Lebron.
@@gazaballa8769 At least he didn't have a meltdown like lebron did.
I think this may have implied that Jason Terry IS the GOAT now...
Gazaballa 876 but kobe got swept in the playoffs against Dallas
He didn’t lost in the nba finals against Dallas.. Lebron lost the nba finals playing with d wade and bosh
And also got swept in the nba finals against Golden state, Kobe never got swept in the nba finals like Lebron did
Kid, do your homework first!lmao
Today this show has no former players on it lol
His Argument: best player in the world couldn’t get out the first round.
My argument: had trash players and entire starting lineup was never 100% healthy. This guy forgets it’s a team game 1 guy can’t do it by himself.
Also, lebron the best player in the world and lost in the finals how many times???? How bout that.! Nobody ever mentions that.
Marcus- XXL but when we talk about Bron having 3 other HOF players they act like he did it by himself, and when he still loses he suddenly has no help and dragged scrubs to the finals.
Can’t listen to Nick Wright anymore after his response to the unknown player graphic.
iHeirApparent he’d know that I think it was just a mistake
He saw all the titles and pts scored in a career and thought it was MJ... me thinks Nick lowkey feels MJ is greater than anybody but always tries to justify his love for LeBron with “logic”.
That guy doesn't know the sport of basketball, fire him
I agree 100%
Maybe this is a stretch, but maybe Kobe doesn’t have the numbers because the conference he was in. The western conference during that time was way better than the eastern conference. The Spurs were a super tough team to go against
We talking about Kobe getting robbed of 2 MVPs and at least 1-2 more rings thanks to a commissioner and still doesn't change the narrative that players feel he is the BEST or Top 3!
What's up with everybody hating on Kobe ??? Why does nobody bring up 81 points why does no one bring up Kobe Bryant outscoring the Mavericks single-handedly....does anyone know any other player whose outscored a team by himself. Yes LeBron James is probably a better team player and a more likeable person than Kobe so he gets all the glory from the media. Kobe Bryant is not the one passing the ball at the end of the game forcing his teammate to shoot free throws
Ancient Ruins Official thats the thing kobe dont pass kobe got swept by mavs in playoffs same year pebron lost kobe took so many shots to get 81 points 😂😂 you know if lebron get 81 points people will say he did it to stat pad but lebron always pass the ball but when he do its a problem
Kobe had shaq , nash , howard , bynum , gasol , fisher , odom , mettapeace
Lebron had kyrie , wade , bosh , allen , love
But lebron need superteams to win ? 😂
Dat Jr. Kobe 5rings👑👑👑👑👑👑😎
Lebron 3 and 6 NBA finals loses😂😂😂
Ancient Ruins Official when you say lebron 3-6 it make kobe look more trash since lebron aways rated better
Dat Jr. First of all let's get something straight neither LeBron James nor Kobe Bryant could ever look like thrash both players are top five greatest players of all time.
Dat Jr. It's my opinion that a player with only three championships and 6 NBA Finals losses is not and could never be the greatest player of all time
Nick Wright should not be allowed on set with real men. And that series against Phoenix, Kobe played the greatest, most complete offensive basketball I've ever seen in my life, bar none.
jaydexe Jim Jackson seems to agree with me ... maybe you haven't played basketball at a high enough level to know why players continue to choose Kobe over Lebron.
jaydexe Jim Jackson is a former world-class athlete. Played against Mike, Kobe, and Lebron, yet you question his resume, insinuating you know more and better about how to evaluate the greats. It is the height of arrogance you argue with the consensus of HOFs and veteran pros, who consistently choose Kobe over Lebron. And for the record, I didn't say that '06 first-round playoff series was the greatest I'd ever seen, rather Kobe's performance as a wing was so complete, so brilliant, so dynamic, he played the most masterful offense I've ever seen.
How about Allen Iverson's HOF resume? Below is a link to him saying Kobe's better than Lebron.
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Or here's another, Tracy McGrady also saying Kobe's better than Lebron.
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Oh you'll love this one, Larry Bird also saying Kobe's better than Lebron.
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Nick and Jim are both right, just talking with different criterias. Jim talks about the "feeling" of raw talent when on the court against a player... But in order to give awards, it is not just based on pure talent, but also with achievements.
Between Kobe and LeBron . LeBron is a better athlete and Kobe is a better basketball player.
Kobe was also a better competitor. He was the closest thing to MJ that we've ever had. You're right. Lebron is an amazing athlete and a freak of nature. If he was to play in the 80's and 90's, I think he would've had Karl Malone's career.
@@TheAutumnWind_RN4L what team are you putting him on? He's winning with the right guys.
Nick Wright just loves to constantly disrespect kobe.
Jim shut Nick all the way down. 👏👏👏👏
I love this debate. It reminds me of the silly argument that Wladimir Klitschko would have beaten Ali and is the best heavyweight ever. It's a debate of here and now and who you grew up watching more than who was the best. What is totally incorrect is when a non-athlete tells a pro who competed at the highest level that one player is better than the next. Now that's trash.
I'm a Lebron and Kobe fan and a great player fan period. But Lebron has been doing it and has done it with the NBA's help. If they called the push foul every time Lebron drives to the basket or pushes off to pull up for a shot he'd only average 10 points per game. And it's much easier to bounce around and form an instant all star team to win championships than it is to stay with one team and go through the ebb and flows ups and downs with one team. Kobe has been doing and did his despite the NBA's interference. Cp3 veto is unprecedented. Steve Nash has more MVP's than Kobe. What else needs to be said about the level of Kobe hating out there? Great players know the difference in great players.
Let get this straight the brought Shaq in Robert Harry Gasol Odom Rick Fox Van Excel Fisher. Yet Kobe missed playoffs 3 years straight after Shaq and the last 3 years he played stop the cap
Lakers wasted kobe's prime. Smush parker and kwaaaaame brown. Cmon.
Karan Virk lebron quits on teams are rebuilding
This person gets it! Ppl cant even name 2 other players from those Lakers team. And they are in the West. If you cannot get out the 1st round of the East then you trash.
Karan Virk nah kobe is trash. Lebron had a bad team and still took em to the finals. Kobe. Couldn't
courtney hutson Kobe requested a trade dafuq
Karan Virk Preach bruh!!!!!!!
Nick Wright is such a Lebron Fan the show is unwatchable...
Harold Chairs right
shannon big lip sharpe as well
Harold Chairs so what about Shannon
Agreed. So is sharpe
That idiot Nick "WRONG" is the very reason I don't watch that show!
I seen this video the first day it posted and still watching in 2020 September
That was a great debate.
LOL @ Nick . . . he didn't know that Kareem was still 1st in points? That was the dead giveaway. He's one of those sports nerds who think he knows everything. Kobe was a KILLER . . on both offense and defense.
finisher3x I agree Kobe was a killer....a team killer
who is nick? Is he the guy that said the 1st guy is MJ?
finisher3x there's not a player or coach that picks LeBron over Kobe if you want to win championships. There's a lot of factors that play a part in why Kobe statistics fall short. And he got robbed on four different occasions four MVPs in the regular season. Can't take anything away from LeBron he's a beast but he's not a Kobe he's not a Jordan and he never will be
Jeremy Obese Of course he's not Kobe, LeBron's better than Kobe lok
Apex Predator get every player and Coach picks Kobe over LeBron to win championships. LeBron's a better all-around player there's no question about that but as a single player Kobe blows them out of the water. There's a few different factors that play and why Kobe stats are lower by the way but LeBron is a beast can't take that from him
Nick Wright obviously has some grudge against Kobe Bryant. Clearly it has poisoned his perception and discounts his opinion totally.
Kobe is trash lol
Karsten Knoche Kobe has more rings
Kingflop is more trash
Why would you even respond to his bait? Someone saying Kobe sucks while they sit 40-60 lbs overweight slouched over their computer about to head to work at Quizno's... Is silly. In fact the only thing sillier was you taking the bait lol. Kobe is a mind like Einstein, Leonardo, etc... A beautiful mind testing the body anf brain to the limits. Don't fall for blanket comments that are clearly did for drama. We know Kobe's a heathen on the court.and in life.
@Ry Guy maybe Nick wrong I just a pure kobrick hater
Nick needs to shut up. Jim was talking with good insight we don't hear about often. Nick is doing typical banter-and-debate-to-incite-unnecessary-views/attention.
We didn't need that for this segment. Jim Jackson was really into something good here
Once Chris Carter brought up Dale Carter I was done, Hands down one of THE BEST CB's from the 90's.
Nick is the on air troll that the Sports Shows needed for us to fill the comment section on CZcams.
ChowDownDetroit [Seoung Lee] you know.... you might be on to something.
ChowDownDetroit [Seoung Lee] FACTS
🤔🤔🤔🤔 that makes sense.
ChowDownDetroit [Seoung Lee] ESPN? You watch that?
Exactly !!
No matter wat u say Kobe will always be the G.O.A.T in our heart
Wow, hard to believe these words were said a over a year ago
Mj is the goat but got kobe at 2
Dylan Agyekum same Kobe still my favorite of all time tho
Efren Avalos yh
Efren Avalos hes ma second fav behind dwade
it is always fun to see their arguments... and nobody can define greatness ... some people go to stats... some people to achievements... some people to mentality ... some a combination ...
but they are all great :)
Jim Jackson saying how the players view the game without explaining how they view it
Analytics love Lebron, the REAL love Kobe point blank.
exactly
Derek Matthews Absolutely! #KO8E24
What does that mean? Lebron is amazing statistically and visibly. Sure he might have a worse reputation but hes obviously a better player than kobe.
He aint better than Jordan and imo i think him and Kareem arent better or worse than each other but he is def better than kobe
Young City Bandit Kobe is more skilled than LeBron but LeBron is such a freak of nature that he can just st dominate
Kobe and Jordan could focus on less. When Lebron's letting you off the hook, he's going to get stats somewhere else helping a teammate. This is why Lebron advances regardless of how good his team is. When Kobe and Jordan lost players they lost.
There’s a reason why almost every former and current player all still pick Kobe over Lebron. Almost every guy that actually played basketball pick Kobe while all the stat nerds that probably never played past middle school pick Lebron. I’ve heard a lot of players with the same opinion as jim Jackson
Saeed Villanueva The reason why former NBA players like kobe is because he reminds them of MJ. That's it
Saeed Villanueva yeah and a lot of legends pick LeBron over Kobe it's all opinion
That's really not correct. Cause although you might not feel the same level of competition from LeBron, I can't find ANY player who can guard him for at least 3 games and nullify his efficiency.
Players (past and present) simply respect scoring above everything else. They respect guys like Kobe and Harden because they're hard to defend. If I'm guarding Lebron and he's making pinpoint passes to teammates for easy points I'm probably thinking meh, he's letting me off the hook. Much easier to guard than Kobe who you know is gonna be taking 30+ shots from everywhere on the court (whether he's making or missing).
Saeed Villanueva magic Johnson said lebron is the best player since Jordan. This guy, you, me, and magic Johnson can only give opinions. You talking like you stating facts just because you like kobe over lebron and a video agreeing with you made you feel correct. It’s no right answer
What a refreshing and much better analysis than most NBA analysis
This was an epic debate. They held it down!
Nick Wright should marry Lebron James..
He wishes
Bronsexuals so obsessed with his size lol "he's 6'8" so was George Gervin lol
Not really, this Jim Jackson is a horrible debater he doesn't answer any arguments.
@@mrhussain9008 Jim Jackson brings 💯solid arguments! He played the game, against all three. So ur telling me that the bron licker Nick who never played against that dudes know more basketball than Jim Jackson?? Cmon bro, get out of here....
Mark Reyes Nick tried but Lebron put a restraining order on him
Jim Jackson spoke the most logical perspective I've heard. Like he said you could talk about numbers all you want, but Michael and Kobe will not let you off the hook. It is a different type of competitiveness. I like I've always said, Michael Jordan just simply passes the "eye test"... it was just something different about him from anyone else I've ever SEEN. Much respect to LeBron because he is a freakish athlete we've been Never seen and he is most definitely the most complete player of all times, but in my opinion Michael is simply the greatest....ok shannon sharpe??
Eli Ben there was nothing logical about what he said. It was completely subjective and he literally just said the same thing over and over again. “I played against them”, and this silly platitude about never letting people off the hook... what ever that even means.
Kobe might very well be the goat. He might be twice as good as the second best player of all time. I certainly wouldn’t agree, but there are just so many ways to analyse this and come to different conclusions. But JJs argument was absolute the worst I have ever heard. Complete trash.
That first argument I’ve seen in which someone doesn’t try to tear down the other guy
jared back not for a single moment has kobe ever been better then Jordan. Kobe mirrored his game after Jordan and will tell u himself he did and all the reasons Jordan is greatest ever. U want to argue kobe amd bron ok but Jordan is different level, different world, different galaxy. Jesus Phil Jackson is on record saying Jordan.
Kobe > Lebron, ask MJ/Pippen/Bird/Dr J/Iverson/Barkley/Shaq/Kerr/Kyrie who they publicly prefer? M-A-M-B-A
kerr literally said the 2 greatest he has ever watched play are lebron and jordan...kobe wasnt brought up
I will watch this till the cows come home because this was a great debate
Jim: Hold up, As a player... Repeat
If you saw MJ Kobe and Bron...you damm know that Bron got that third spot!
Facts
Facts
Definitely picking him over kobe there is a reason he made it to 8 straight finals
He would LeRest on the bench
@@jaybrick8973
And lost 5
Jim is right Kobe got robbed many years of MVP
no he wasnt nash derserve that and he didnt have stoudimire that year
Erik Lerström most top teams that come to mind for me have a better all around team tho, hence why losing one player isnt as damaging. I get ur point tho
Erik Lerström lies Lebron along with multiple all stars and shooters, not just Lebron.
The year he saying Kobe got robbed of mvp Lebron Averaged 31 7 and 7 and went to the finals..Lebron got robbed
Highway Robbery !!!!
Lmao when facing Bogdan Bogdanovic for 4 years makes you better than someone who dropped 55 on Jordan himself.