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- The NBA 75th anniversary team was announced, sparking debate about which players were named and which players were left off. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes discuss the names on the list, as well as decide which player deserved a spot in the top 75.
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Why is this only about dwight's. Where is tmac? How is Carmelo on here and tmac not what is going on
ESPN creates talking points and we should only regurgitate what they say not alex English
Alex english top 75
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Alex english top 75
Dwight Howard is a 1x NBA champion, 8x all-star, 8x All-Nba, 5x All-Defense, 3x DPOTY, 5x rebounding champ player. When you've got guys like Bill Walton, Reggie Miller, and Damian Lillard on the list Dwight HAS to make it. Easily the biggest snub
Yup. People wanna act like they forget how dominant he was for a good while.
Still an overrated player
@@saycheese6773 yeah aight
@@saycheese6773
How is he overrated?
Dwight's the biggest snub but I wouldn't make too much of a comparison to Dennis Rodman Rodman shut you down mentally and physically on defense ppl forget that
2013-2019 when Dwight was “no good” anymore
16pts 12rbs on 59%FG
His “bad years” are better than most centers peak.
Thank you so much
had a 30pt 30reb game in that span as well. I think 2017
Facts
@@oneofakind104 2018
Thank you !!!!!
I agree with Nick leaving Dwight Howard off this list absolutely
delegitimizes it.
No it doesn't
@@jmcgee39 yes it does
@@jmcgee39 yeah it definitely does. Much better career than Lillard or AD so far. They have more to prove.
Delegitimize 🤯 learnt a new word 😌 shot
@@jmcgee39 Facts
I hate how people say Dwight fell off like he just stopped being good one day. The man literally broke his back, most humans are never the same after that
Facts!! And he’s still playing in the league!! Most players can only dream to have the 5 yr stretch he had.
Fell off?! The dude averaged 17 and 13 for Charlotte four years ago. When he gets minutes, he's insanely productive.
@@cityboychad exactly!!!
That’s much because of Shaq. Totally agree with Nick.
@@robertofloresmendoza6435 And listening to these "analysts" on TV saying he fell off. When has 17 and 13 a night "falling off"? What "role" players gets that a night? The only centers I can think off that can get that type of production is Jokic, Embiid and Giannis. Am I missing anyone?
I take Dwight's first 10 years in the NBA over Anthony Davis best years. Aside from the DPOY and everything else, people forget that Dwight only missed 5 games in his first 9 years. Dwight took his teams further than AD with a lesser team. Its funny....
LOL MAN
Facts.
I don’t know about a lesser team that was a team full of shooters with Dwight they never gave AD THAT BUT Dwight does deserve the list but ad is also a no brainer he’s gonna get another ring he’s gonna probably get a mvp if he can ever stay healthy a whole season but his numbers and that championship put him on the list based of trajectory for me dame is the same thought process only I don’t see him wining where he is so I wouldn’t project him any better without those accomplishments so dame off the list also I been saying it imma keep saying it steve Nash does not belong on this list
No 🧢
@@blankcheck31209 players on the Orlando teams when Dwight Howard was there none of them were special average at best if that.
AD and Dame didn’t deserve to be in the Top 75 YET!
Dwight is for sure top 75 maybe even Top 50.
Dame shouldn’t be over Dwight, but AD deserved it
Correct , Dame and AD haven't even equalled Dwight Howard Magic career plus he got a ring as one of the best role players in the league, playing good defense, double double machine.
add Kawaii to your list
@@kingjordan6327 what has Dame done to deserve to be top 75?
@@GregoryFergusson I think you misread my comment
Dwight Howard deserve to be on that list you can't take away Orlando..
Shaq definitely has ruined the public perception of multiple centers because of his own fragile ego.
Facts. He cost Javale many millions worth of contracts and sponsorships.
Exactly
Yup. Shaq is a funny great dude but reality is, he is SENSITIVE and you’re right he’s hurt peoples careers
@@BroJ3221 Perfect summary of Shaq right there
Yeah Shaq is a big spoiled baby. He was jealous of EVERY co-star he played with, and jealous of every new big man who came in the league when he was retired.
Including the original top 50 just makes this list a top 25 of the last 25 years.. If they wanted a true top 75, all players would have to be ranked again.
they included the first 50 ?
@@duwapkaine1835 they weren't like automatically included. All original 50 just happened to have been voted
@@im_an_alien196 smh scandalous
Wilkins and Bob McAdoo were new additions
Dwight is still a top 25 player of the last 25 years. Same point. Better then guys from his era and before
Bruh how did Dame make the list before Dwight. Dwight accomplished more between 2008-2011 than Dame ever has in his career.
Facts, Dame was never a top tier player and never got his team even close to the finals. Plus he doesn't play D, it's for his game winners in the playoffs and he stayed with Portland longer than he should have.
They reward him for staying "loyal" to his home team but wasting his career in being a 5th to 6th seed in the west
Completely agree, even though i like Dame.
Klay should get on before Dame also, better shooter, defender and has the titles towards his name
Dame not top tier? You guys are tripping. Replace Dame with any other superstar in that team and tell me they make it further than what he has done. Dame belongs there, not Anthony Davis
I'd take dame over Dwight ANY day bro you're crazy.
The Modern Male It’s not who you like better bruh Howard resume is better than lillards and that’s a fact!
Lillard was the easiest player to take of this list, never an all NBA 1st team, no DPOY, and no finals appearances
he was all nba 1st team once lol, but still not him on the list over dwight
@@Ronwavee2 must have been the year Curry was injured
Just say you don't follow the Trailblazers and keep it moving, because you don't know what you're talking about..
Tony Parker
lillard has been one if the best scoring point guards for like 9+ years
Sidney Moncrief was the consensus best 2 guard in the league before the Mike Jordan era.
Anthony Davis did not deserve it over Dwight by no means. Dwight was far more dominant than AD period for a five year stretch and still really good for another three years stop it
AD has put up better numbers and has the accolades as well as a championship. I’m sorry but I won’t pretend that Dwight was the guy you make him out to be while he only averaged 20 ppg like 3 times in the “dead big man era”. He’s really just a glorified Andre Drummond except Drummond has to go against the bigs that are part of the “revival of bigmen” in Embiid, Joker, KAT.
@Keandré Sutton The same AD whose career playoff average is almost 30 ppg compared to Dwights 19 yes him!
AD barely played in the playoffs. And how you gonna say he a champion when Dwight was also a key contributer on the same Lakers team
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 lmao you are dumb watch nba lmao! Im not a fan of dwight but dwight deserve and I’ll put tmac over westbrook and damian
@@justinlikesme19 over dame. Not Westbrook
Shaq pulled a skip bayless on Dwight.
I remember when it was a debate in their primes who would you start your franchise with out of Lebron, Melo, Wade, and Dwight. Phil Jackson said Dwight Howard and alot of people didn't think he was crazy because that's how effective he was.
Thank you ! I been saying this for years
And we all remember how good Phil Jackson was at running a franchise
Dwight was a legit superstar in the 2000s future hall of famer
Broussard suggesting to leave off a 5x champion, 2x DPOY, 7x rebounding champion, 7x all defensive first team, 1x all defensive second team is just pathetic.
Tony Parker should definitely be on the list. He was a playoff phenom.
Klay deserves it over Parker easily
@@williamcreager6434 They both deserve it.
@@williamcreager6434 Eh no. But both deserve to be there....NOT LILLARD. Wtf seriously? LILLARD?
Parker has the most points in playoff as a PG, he IS a top 10-12 all Time points in playoffs, he IS top 7 in all time assist in playoffs, he has a fmvp, has a 49%fg in carreer, AND he is available, klay Always injured and only shoot 3's
TP 4 rings and klay 4 rings, but klay no fmvp
TP dominated Jason kidd in 2003, and had a chauncey billups in 2005 and still managed to put numbers while being 23 yo...
Klay is mostly a catch and shooter
If Dwight retired in 2016 he would’ve easily been on the list. His accolades alone are better than a lot of players
People also forget that Dwight's career also happened in a transition of style of play. When he entered the league, big men where the center piece of NBA teams. Then as he got to year 7-8 of his career the NBA switched to a guard driven league where stretch 5's where in demand and the style of play changed.
Dennis Johnson
3× NBA champion (1979, 1984, 1986)
NBA Finals MVP (1979)
5× NBA All-Star (1979-1982, 1985)
All-NBA First Team (1981)
All-NBA Second Team (1980)
6× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1979-1983, 1987)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1984-1986)
Nick is REALLY good at these takes. Give that man his flowers!! 💐💐
I think Dwight and Klay Thompson are the biggest snubs.
Add Parker and Manu.
If Ray Allen makes the list, Klay Thompson makes the list, if AD makes the list Dwight Howard makes the list, if Dame Lillard makes the list, Vince Carter makes the list. This list is bogus!
Dwight and Vince should've been on there.
I don't get why you have to include all of the Top50 in the Top75. At the point when the Top50 were chosen, they were the Top 50. But through time of course other players can come along that surpass what you did and therefore will "kick" you down the list all time. So some could have fallen out the overall Top75 and Dwight, Vince and maybe T-Mac could have been on there.
There's multiple players ahead of Vince Carter. Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Bernard King, Mitch Richmond, Tracy McGrady. Too many folk judge Vince solely based on his athleticism & leaping ability, but not his overall skills & stats.
T-Mac in his prime held a 5-7 year peak where he was arguably best player in world. There’s a lot of guys in top 75 that can’t claim nearly that. Mcgrady took a starting five of himself, darrell Armstrong, pat garrity, no outlaw, and Andrew declerq to the playoffs. A third of the team salary is being paid to grant hill. Injuries to himself and his teammates prevent t-mac from being a top 25 player.
Soooo there’s just no issue with dame Lillard being on the list over Dwight?
Dame is liked more so that gives 30% more legacy points to.his career I guess.
Did you watch the video? Both Nick and Chris brought up Dwight over Dame.
@@Kruppt808 which is dumb lol
You got Dame over Dawight and vince carter
If anything this list has taught me , is there are a ton of great players that have come around in the last 25 years.
Dwight Howard absolutely belongs up there, i remember what healthy DH looked like in orlando he easily was comparable with LBJ in that time, and CB is out of his mind on his Rodman Take, dude has 5 rings and 20 rebounds games all over for years, he helped solidify MJ legendary status
Shaq had the opportunity to mentor a lot of centers, but instead, he just trashed them consistently.
Ego. Thats why Barkley often always teasing him
Why would you want to get mentored by somebody that only made it because physical gifts? Not because of hard work or training. Love shaq but he mentoring mobody
And nearly ended Javale’s NBA career by clowning his every mistake on national tv for years
The biggest Snub ever was Dominique Wilkins not making in the top 50
Even though he retired being averaging over 21ppg for 15 seasons and was top 7 all-time in scoring when he retired. Yet they had Grant Hill in the top 50 after 3 seasons of playing.
Grant Hill was not on the top 50 lol
Shaq might be the most insecure/petty person in sports history.
I'm a huge Shaq fan, I've always loved his comedian gentle giant personality but as big as he is..... he has an even bigger inferiority complex.
Like bruh, your so amazing, your legacy, tv , business, your funny, people love you..... why are you so petty and vindictive? You have everything someone could want
@@Kruppt808 Have you seen how much praise Shaq gives to Giannis, even repeatedly saying he's much better than him? This doesn't add up with that inferiority complex theory; Shaq's just a weird dude, unpredictable in who he likes/dislikes.
@@atipsy69 In my opinion, he probably thought to himself, I should start building guys up instead of tearing them down because he realized in recent years that people were getting a little tired of him being a d**k to guys for no reason.
Never seen such a big man be so small mentally.
@@BroJ3221 the bully comments were starting to add up. When a coach ends up making calls its probably time to chill out.
He's dead wrong about Reggie Miller. WAY too much emphasis on All-NBA teams and completely ignoring that he was the best player on a moderately talented Pacers team that consistently were near the top of the Easter Conference for several years, made it to the Finals, and darn near beat Jordan's Bulls.
Writers in the 90s simply didn't know what they were watching. That's why he didn't have more accolades.
Meh
Bernard King
Marques Johnson
Dwight Howard
Alex English
Sidney Moncrief
Adrian Dantley
Darrell Griffiths
Mark Aguirre
George Mcginnis
You mentioned some great names here. What about Dennis Johnson, Bob Lanier, Jamaal Wilkes, Artis Gilmore, Bobby Dandridge, Gus Johnson, Connie Hawkins, Dikembe Mutombo, David Thompson, Tracy McGrady, Jo Jo White, Walt Bellamy, Chris Mullin, Andrew Toney, Pau Gasol, Shawn Marion, Shawn Kemp, Chris Bosh, Tim Hardaway Sr, Larry Nance Sr, Rolando Blackman, Micheal Ray Richardson, Cedric Maxwell, Yao Ming, Mitch Richmond. This is why making lists like this is meaningless, there is no official criteria, it's just opinion based. If there was actual statistical criteria, it would be easy to just list the guys who met the standards. But even more important than that, and we'll never know, is who would beat who if they played against each other. If I took 5 guys from the players you and I listed here, they would beat 5 of the best modern players.
Adrian Dantley the human shot clock in Utah pre Karl Malone from Detroit to Dallas plus Sidney Moncrief & Alex English
Yes, Dantley and Goodrich should’ve been on the list
No one adjusts for super teams.
Paul, Ray, among others stacked the deck.
Dwight didn't, but gets no credit.
super team 99% of championship teams are super teams
@@nicstone3141 99% is an impossible number, maybe 70%. Spurs weren’t, Mavs, Raptors, Bucks, Pistons, that’s just in the last 15 years…
Dwight was just an outcast, that’s all. Lebron is #2 for the opposite reason but we don’t like that conversation. There really isn’t a reason why Klay and Dwight shouldn’t be on the list. It’s actually a travesty and a shame altogether. This list is a stats list, not a winning list.
@@GregoryFergusson naw he number 2 because he is number 2 and im not even a lebron fan like that
@@nicstone3141 case in point, the list has no rational basis, it's just that way because ppl say its so, no real critical thinking reason.
Great case made for Dwight
I somewhat understand keeping the original 50 but for the 100th you should absolutely start from scratch as 50 years since the 50th anniversary you would expect better players came and went since then. I say no automatics next time all 100 spots are up for grabs
No, you can't erase the first 50 years of basketball and the pioneers of the sport. The game would NOT be what it is today without those that came before from everything on court to the off-season.
The game has gone through many rule and format changes, including advancements in science, technology, medicine, nutrition, and training. That's all due in part from the men and women that came before.
@@atlien1988 he didnt say to ignore those 50 years. But how can you automatically guarantee that those 50 years brought as many top tier basketball players as the next 50 years? You have to start from scratch and look at all the players who ever played the game and choose the best of the best..
Bruh Chris Broussard proved Nick's point with the list he says there's no question Ray Allen over Dwight like how can someone be so bias without thinking they're not being bias.
Dwight from 06-14 he was one of, if not the best Center in the league. He should've amde the list period.
watching dwight in orlando was something special man.. dude was a beast
Pau Gasol, Tony Parker, Dwight... biggest snub
If you did a list after 5 years, and then one after 100 years, obviously not many on the first list would make the second list. The extreme case proves the point. The argument that if you made the top 50 then you should make the top 75 now is dumb.
Exactly like for example if you were exactly 50th on the list 25 years ago what if in the last 25 day about 30-40 people are better than yo career should be infront of you but they only gonna add 25 of those guys on there is dumb
Very good segment. I'm all in with Dwight should be on the list. I also think Paker and Vince should be in.
KLAY!!! Top 5 shooter of all-time...
Shaq messed Dwight up. He almost did that to McGee.
Kyrie has accomplished more in his career than dame has
Don't be stupid
@@ljpal18 hes actually right because what kyrie did in the finals vs the 73-9 warriors was literally greater than anything any other point guard has ever done
the math just didn't work. you have 50 players in 50 years, then you feel sorry for dominique wilkins and add him, so only 24 players in last 25 years, which is a much greater era in NBA than the first 25 years.
I swear the media loves to lie to people. Broussard just said Dwight's been a mediocre role player for 8-10 years lol. Dwight's been a role player for 3 years. He was a starter as recently as 2018 putting up 16 and 12 for the Hornets.
16 and 12 for the hornets is akin to being a role player anywhere else. that was when he was in like 4 teams in like 3 seasons.
but he wasn’t contributing to winning for a bit of stretch there
You’re thinking 2k role titles. Role player generally means “non star or building block player who is there to play a role”. Donte DiVincenzo starts for the bucks but he’s a role player. Jae crowder starts for the suns but is a role player. JaVale McGee is always a starter but is a role player, he catches lobs and grabs boards and blocks shots. Dwight is effectively the same player as McGee and has been the last 5+ years or so.
@@dommaxie4084 his average
Takes like that will make Nick a broadcasting legend some day. Brilliant.
Cant believe Wildes is pushing back on the dwight snub. It's indefensible
He's an in show producer so he sets up the questions after nick and Chris give opening remarks
@@Kruppt808 bingo
Tmac literally changed the wing position so I really feel like he should’ve made it
The Rodman take is embarrassing for anyone that knows the statistics, as well as the qualitative stuff. Rodman defended Magic and Shaq. Dwight was never in his league as a defender. Rebounds wise Rodman was two standard deviations higher than anyone else in the league. Pathetic take
Not a pathetic take at all. Dwight was LEAGUE MVP. Dwight being snubbed is about perception, not reality. Dude got hurt and that’s why he wasn’t the same.
I'm not taking Rodman @his best OVER Dwight @his best!! Rodman's skills & skill-set can't touch that man! Howard can do what Rodman does, Rodman CAN'T DO what Howard does..
@@N.a.j.i. yeah he's crazy if he's deciding not to take late 2000's Howard over ANY version of Rodman. Straight up a better player.
@@jDiddyi I don't know how/when Howard started gettin viewed as some type of average/scrub player???
I remember Dwight his first year.. I couldn't understand why they guarded him like Shaq down low. Whenever DH got the ball he would get intentionally fouled.. they wouldn't let him shoot it. I was like, "why won't they let the rookie play?"
I later learned it was because he was gonna dunk it and you couldn't stop it. He was so strong and could jump so high.
Also, that Magic team was hard to cheat. That ref who publicly admitted the league rigs games said this... Anyhow I'm rambling
Dennis Rodman was the greatest pound for pound rebounder of all time. You not bumping him off.
5x champion
I can't believe Vince Carter isn't on there.
I disagree with Chris saying that Ray Allen was a greater player than Dwight Howard. Allen to me is a 2nd/3rd tier option even in his prime. Dwight was absolutely the main man in his prime when he was in Orlando.
Ray allen was the main man in seattle
Dont forget the bucks u tripn that 2 teams two playoff teams u tripn
Dwight was best center in the league for almost 10 years and will probably finish his career top 10 in rebounds
i understand why broussard wants to show respect to the 50s-60s guys, but kyrie is CLEARLY a more talented player than guys like bill sharman, dolph schayes, and dave bing, among some others and he’s played for about as many szns as some of those guys, and if the talent isn’t enough he has a ring and 2 finals appearances and arguably the greatest shot ever, AND a lot of these 50-60s guy only had 1 or no championships in an era where there was i like only 9 teams and way less playoff games
Well it's hard for 50-60s players to have a lot of rings when one team won 11 titles in 13 years.
@@jasonlevesque6340 i give you thats valid for the 60s, and i have a lot of respect for the 60s there’s at least a handful of all time greats from that era, tbh tho i have a hard time respecting any of the 50s players other than bob petitt cuz i just don’t think they were good
Kyrie never accomp[lished anything without playing along side Lebron.
I like how Rick Berry caught that Stray from Nick 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Vince Carter was the most incredible talent of them all and he was left out.Ridiculous.
I don't understand this top 75 list. What are criteria that the choices were based on? Is it about winning? Is it about personal stats?
Reggie Miller carried the pacers in the 90s and nearly legitimately beat mj (magic was a fluke). And their saying ray allen is better?!?
Reggie didn't carry the pacers. Mark Jackson, Rick Smitz, Jalen Rose, and Dale Davis were very good.
@@ocampbell1954 mj didnt carry the bulls. Pippen, kukoc, rodman, kerr, longley are very good.
You CAN’T just ‘keep’ the SAME original top 50 players from the FIRST list and automatically ADD them to the top 75 list AS IF other players haven’t been BORN and played better and SURPASSED some of those players from the first top 50 list!! Some of those players HAVE to get moved off now, because NEW players came along in the past 25 years and became greater than some of those older players!! That’s LITERALLY how the continuation of LIFE works!! New things come, they are better, they replace older things that weren’t AS good! It doesn’t mean that those older things AREN’T good, it just means some of them aren’t AS good as these NEWER things!! I feel like only 60+ year olds created this list, 100% sure that’s the case, and people who hate Dwight Howard….
The REGGIE MILLER hate is real... if it wasnt for Jordan, Miller coulda won a title or 2..
No. He just wasn’t as good as his peers, plain and simple. There were way better teams than the pacers in the 90s. If there was no Jordan Reggie still wouldn’t have beat swings knicks, Stockton and Malones jazz, Hakeem’s rockets, Barkley’s suns, Payton’s sonics, etc. come on dawg, you must be a homer or something, because Reggie millers own mother probably doesn’t think what you said is true, haha.
Chris was on a roll, until he said Rodman shouldnt have been on the list. Especially is you are comparing résumés
5x champion
Stop it with the Denis Rodman arguement. Dennis needs to be there period. You won't see many players like him in the NBA ever, period.
Dwight absolutely deserves to be on this list. The league changed around the same time his prime was ending. Traditional Centers went the way of the dodo in the middle of his career.
Nikola Jokic is also another big snub how you win mvp and your not top75. But Dame and AD who has never won mvp is top 75. How is that even possible
Vince Carter made his career better by playing longer imo, he did good things in his vet years.
Reggie's playoff elevation vs his regular season game is what got him on the list.
Yea it's playoff reggie that people remember
How are you going to add AD and leave out Vince Carter? Top ten 3 point shooter and not to mention the undisputed greatest in game dunker of all time?! You can fight over who the goat is all you want, but ain't nobody going to tell me there was a better dunker than Vince Carter.
Let's see AD has more All NBA & All Defense selections & has more ring than VC
@@g.o.a.t.8168 One ring thanks to Lebron. He's only won one playoff series without him, and of course he's going to have more Defensive awards since he's taller and he plays down in the post all the time. AD did nothing for the Pelicans. Vince made the Raptors franchise come to life. It really doesn't matter though. Someone had to be left out.
@@nhojnhoj6485 Cool he still has more hardware than VC which is what this list's criteria is
@@g.o.a.t.8168 And yet Dwight Howard has more hardware and accolades than many on the list and he got left out. So is hardware really the criteria? This is a biased list based on who they like and Howard sadly was left out because of their biased.
@@nhojnhoj6485 And I've said it to other posts that Dwight should've made it period I agree that some guys should've not been on the list but seriously ur taking off Anthony Davis for Vince Carter a guy despite all of his talents & being gifted heavily underachieved
Dwight was literally still averaging 16pts 12 rebounds after his first season with the Rockets, while having no jump shot and getting caught in a time in the league where the NBA was becoming way more focused around perimeter scoring.
When Dwight Howard made all nba teams, remember that it was in a soft and dry center position. Dwight biggest competition at that position was Andrew Bynum. So using that he made more all nba teams over other guys isn’t fair when you consider that SF, and SG position are much deeper. Would have been different if Dwight was all nba in the 90s since the center position was deep then.
While I agree that Dwight got snubbed that's actually a pretty good point. Take a guy like Paul Pierce. 4 all nba teams, no 1st teams. Yet there was about a 10 year period he was a borderline top 10 player. But when you have to compete against guys like LeBron, KG, Duncan etc for one of two forward spots, it gets tough.
If I could draft these 75 and I had two scorers already I would take Rodman next. I’m not sure what that says or means but Rodman would be on my team
Dennis Rodman 5x Champion > Dwight Howard 1 Championship
Case Closed!
I was looking for this comment. I agree that Dwight should be on the list but definitely not over Dennis Rodman.
LMAO Dwight>Rodman Rodman winning rings as a role player don't make him better than Dwight.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 No one said Rodman was better than Dwight!
We’re saying Rodman is GREATER than Dwight!
@@michaeloparah5438 Rodman isn't better or greater than Dwight. Do you consider Rodman greater than Barkley or CP3? Rodman is more beloved and had more team succes than Dwight.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Rodman/Barkley/Dwight
Greatness is about what you accomplish bud.
It’s the reason why Tom Brady is the greatest even though Manning and Rodgers were better QBs.
Dame made the list and not Dwight?! Wtf I missed this 🤦🏾♂️
Dave DeBusschere and Bill Walton before Dwight Howard and Vince Carter??????
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Y’all come act like Klay not the greatest shooter of all time? If he took as many shots as Step he averaging 30+ 40+….. GUARDS top scorers 1-3.
Jordan had Pippin . Steph got Klay. Klay top 40.
Dwight reached his potential.. it’s definitely because people supposedly not liking him he is a good dude
We got to blame kobe for that.
Dwight's reputation took a massive hit after playing with Kobe and Harden, it's just that simple, his name was tarnished to the point where you don't remember how good he was.
People who don't have the mental discipline to remember shouldn't get a vote.
I’m glad everyone knows and considers Dwight is on the 75th anniversary team even tho the ppl who decide who makes the team don’t know basketball and are biased
I love this groups objectivity
Of all the guys to go after on the list, Broussard chooses 5 time champion, 2-Time DPOY and 7 time rebounding champion Dennis Rodman? The history of basketball can't be told without Rodman. Broussard chose wrong
Totally agree. I was looking for someone else who thought that was wrong. Howard should be on the list, but not instead of or above Rodman. No way.
Dennis might be the only guy in league history who can legitimately claim that he could guard all 5 positions and do it effectively because he actually did it. That alone makes him a contender for GOAT defender which should suffice to make the list.
@@ursula3438 Draymond Green, Magic Johnson, Ben Simmons, Giannis Antetokumpo, Rodman, can all guard 1-5 Rodman isn't the only one bu far but part of a few elite.
@@conanfletcher891 Giannis definitely could, you're right. But Dennis would do it better than the other guys you mentioned, because Dennis, just like Giannis, was freakishly athletic.
Why pick on Rodman? Lol one of the best defensive players on.two championship squads? Best rebounder. ... you could have picked all offense guys who never cared about defense, lots of them
When looking at All Time greats the biggest thing to look at in my is was that player the best player on whichever championship team they played on. If not were they a part of a dynasty? If not were they regarded a top 5 player in the league for half a decade+, Then you just crunch accolades, count a finals mvp as 1.5, best or top 2 player on a championship team as 1, supporting cast .5, and you can really get a clearer picture of who the impact players were individually. Whenever people and some idiots still say AD is a top 10 player in the league when healthy, or Kyrie is so good I always ask, how good were their teams when they were the #1 option. Not great, when they became a Robin, much better. That's how you shake out the who is who.
This list is absurd and bias. Where are Klay Thompson and Dwight? Please stop doing these lists. I heard one voter mention the off court things to qualify an individual.
How does Klay not make this list??
Nick is on the 💰money!! Yes & Vince a top ten Sf of all time.
Vince was a shooting guard, not a small forward. Small forward was his secondary position, but he’s a 2.
@@WinedandDined27 lol. 2/3 pretty similar but Richard Jefferson played D on the best wing & Vince did the scoring. If u gone correct me, please get it correct
@@WinedandDined27 he listed at sg bout twice as much as he was listed at sf so if that's what u saying cool but if u got 7 years at a position including your 1st 3 years and your last few years I think we can legitimately call him a swing. Not a sg or a sf.
@@Shmitty2023 what? Richard Jefferson defending the other wing has nothing to do with wether or not Vince was a 2 or 3. Are you all there? How did you think that counters what I said at all? Vince Carter was the starting 2 guard on basically every team he played for until he went to the hawks and kings at the end of his career. In Memphis he was the backup 2 guard. I can’t even dignify this with a response. Don’t be so insecure, champ.
@@WinedandDined27 lol look man get a life & stop nsg me.
It’s insane Rip is on the list. I get none of those Pistons were megastars but they still all had great collective careers. I’d put Rip ahead of a lot of these guys for the same argument people make for MJ/Kobe
His efficiency was insane and the entire offense ran thru him. Well technically he ran through it. When you are the main component in a dynasty you should get credit for it.
We have to remake this list.
Is Hal Greer a better basketball player than Vince Carter
No!!
Dame or Paul Pierce shouldn't be on the list over T Mac.
Dame ok but Paul Pierce? Even TMac himself will tell U The Truth deserves to be on this list, he has a Finals MVP, TMac never did 💩 in the playoffs
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Howard DEFINITELY needs to be on this list
Most nba greats never got a mention but not all of them can make it
I agree whole heartedly with Ray Allen - I don't know what the guy did to deserve being hailed as top 75 all time. I don't know. TOP 75??? Come on.
Saved Lebron's Legacy by hitting the most clutch shot in NBA final's history.. says Skip Bayless
@@babystephena3773 That it was, but notice Rob Horry has hit some BIG shots too and he isn't even a Hall of Fame member.
Should Bill Walton be on this list? He really only had two great years (I know it was because of injury). He gave the Celtics some great support minutes in one of their title runs, but he certainly wasn't a star.
Overrated
MVPs have to be on the list
@@IvanRandomDude Hmmm.... D Rose?
Bill Walton played in 468 regular season games, the equivalent to 5 (and a half) full seasons. He was a league MVP in 78, a FINALS MVP in 77, the 6th mothy in 86, he led the NBA in RPG 1x and in BPG 2x, He was 2x all-NBA, 2x all- defense. MANY of the players on that list did NOT have that many accomplishments in 10 or 15 years! If a player today did all that in a 5 years span, ESPN etc would be calling him an all-timer. BTW, Walton is among the top ten in NBA history in playoff series winning % (85%) and playoff game winning% (78%). His Blazers are still considered a prime example of "Team Basketball". They were not nearly the most athletic, but beat every team with unselfish team ball. The 86 Celtics are still considered the, by many, the best passing team of all time and by quite a few the best TEAM of all time. You think those teams having Bill Walton was a coincidence? When Bill Walton was healthy, his teams played beautiful textbook fundamental ball and his teams won. Period.
@@georgewagner2352 guy. Don’t care
Chris: "How can you make the top 50 but not the top 75?"
Me: "Oh idk, because more evidence leads to some of those guys being passed by guys that have played after that first list? It's really simple honestly."
Problem is you can’t compare era against era..it would be a disrespect to what has came before.. whose to say the best players from the past wouldn’t put the same numbers that the players are doing today given the same knowledge, training and regimens.
@@babystephena3773 you can't compare for total skill/production judging off today's game but you can compare accolades. Someone from the 60's or 70's with multiple All-NBA selections and MVPS/FMVPS is greater IMO than someone in today's game who only makes a couple all-star games, even if they are a "better" player in some sense.
@@babystephena3773 Great point!
@@Josh-mi5im Great point!
@@babystephena3773 You cannot fault a man for when he was born. All a man can do is work hard to be the best he can in his time and try to beat the competition that is in front you.
I think players should rank reports and team offices.
What is this list? Why they didn't include nba stars WITH RINGS like Pau Gasol, Ginobili, Parker, Billups, Klay Thompson? Since when Carmelo Antony, Chris Paul, Harden, Lillard and Westbrook surpassed those legends? Did the voters forgot a whole decade of playoffs?
You're 💯 right. This list is stupid because it devalued winning and disrespected winners. A great 2nd option can definitly be greater than a mediocre 1st option.
Put Dwight instead of Melo Melo is a trash He has done nothing compared to Dwight throughout his career especially in the playoffs
I got a agree with that, Dwight is way more accomplished than Melo, all he’s ever done was get buckets, that’s great but yea Howard is more accomplished, Melo is just more “likable” which is the exact point these guys mentioned
What about Manu? He gave Melo a bronze medal in '04.
Playing defense is I guess devalued, so for being a two way player Dwight Howard gets dinged but lots of players like Reggie Miller, Dame and other all offense guys get a pass?
Ah yes the melo disrespect
Anthony Davis isn’t top 125 of all time
Bob Lanier, Marques Johnson, Connie Hawkins,Chet Walker,and Bob Love should be on this list.