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Richard Jefferson, Zach Lowe and Chiney Ogwumike discuss the most notable players who were left off the NBA’s 75th anniversary team.
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Dwight is largely, far-and-away, the biggest snub of the top 75. His basketball resumé speaks for himself.
@Marvin Hunter Kemp was a monster in Seattle but he doesn't have three resume Dwight does
@Marvin Hunter if it were close then I'd concede your argument but Kemp was never in MVP consideration. Dwight finished in the top 5 of voting multiple times and was 2nd once. Kemp's prime was 8 years (that's how long he was a regular starter), Dwight's is the same over that time he averaged more points, rebounds, & blocks. I will concede that Kemp was more polished offensively in large part due to his mid range jumper but Dwight still put up more points. As for the competition you mentioned, Dwight did in fact have to deal with Duncan. He also had to deal with guys like KG, Amare, & Yao (who is admittedly a class below) as well as Shaq his last years in LA & during his Miami run. He always had to check the opponent's best big be they a 4 or a 5. Kemp be comparison didn't have to contend with half of who you mentioned. If I recall correctly he didn't guard centers all that much which would disqualify Shaq, Mourning, & Ewing etc. The 99 lockout did hurt Kemp though. He got out of shape & though he still made an All star team afterward, he was never the same. Also, his decline was far steeper than Dwights
Crazy that melo made it above him. He only went pass the first round in 2 of 14 playoff appearances, and has no major accolades outside of a Scoring Title and I think 1 All NBA First?
If Howard was retired rn, he'd get in. Most dominant defensive player in his era
No one has better resume than Klay Thompson
I love Dame time but there's a long list of players that should've been on that list ahead of him.
You could say the same for ad
Fasho tony Parker
@@Lu7.k Tony Parker over dame any day!
Klay Thompson, Dwight Howard, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili should have been in Top 75.
People can't just look at statistics alone, have tocbe based on many factors like envoirment around the players, weighted average of points + defense, team impacts etc. Dame isn't top 75 all time.
I'd have Ginobili and Parker on that list way before Dame and AD. They were part of a decade that stopped Lebron and many other HOFers like Dirk, the Lakers in their best years from getting titles. Their names were even brought up as MVP candidates in some seasons
Fax
Dame is better then both of them your drunk
@@phillysgaming9814 ur high stull parker was levels
@@AM-hv7px the most parker ever average in a season is 22 points per game dames was 30 like just bc parker been on a better team doesn’t mean he’s better like cmon
@@phillysgaming9814 accolades count too dumbfuck
When Klay comes back and drops 40 in his debut
He took it personal
on 3 dribbles 🤣🤣
Further goes to score 69 in 6 dribbles
Ginobili and Parker were amazing. Howard, Carter and Mcgrady should also made the list.
Yes keep fueling my boy Klay’s anger please, we Warriors fan appreciate a lot
@FreeThrowJumper no one is scared of an angry Kuzma tho 💀
He hasn't played in 2 years
Klay is a fraud.
I am laker fan and I root for Klay now. I want to see him back at 150%
@FreeThrowJumper I don't understand why ppl can't take joke as a joke
Mcgrady, Mutombo, Big Ben, Dwight, Manu, Parker.
I think a large population cant believe Dwight Howard isn’t on that list
@CR X but AD and Dame are tough 😭
@Marvin Hunter and never dominated their position like Howard did, or have led a team to the finals.
@@rememberruff everyone keeps forgetting how good Dwight was. All they remember is out of prime Charlotte hornets dwight
I never liked Dwight Howard but he should absolutely be on this list
@Marvin Hunter AD's best is 27ppg, Dame only had 1 30ppg season in his career and yeah coz AD only had like 2 playoff apperances in his 7 year career before Lebron recruited him and no real accolade, Dwight was 3-time DPOY, 5-time Allstar, 4 All-NBA First team, 3 All-NBA Defensive First team, 3 rebounding leader, 2 block leader and most importantly made it to the Finals facing the Celtics, Lakers and MVP Lebron in the same playoffs in that same 7 years time span with an even worse roster, what did AD do?
It should have been Dwight over AD. It's too soon for AD. He can be in the top 100 in 25 years.
Yeah I didn't get AD in there either.
Damian Dillard don't deserve it too.
@Marvin Hunter and that's too soon, lets remember that AD only had 2 playoff apperances in 7 years before Lebron recruited him and no real accolade, Dwight was a 3-time DPOY, 5-time Allstar, 4 All-NBA First team, 3 All-NBA Defensive First team, 3 rebounding leader, 2 block leader and most importantly made it to the Finals facing the Celtics and MVP Lebron in the same playoffs in that same 7 years time span with an even worse roster, what did AD exactly do?
@Marvin Hunter wrong
@Marvin Hunter that is assumption especially with inability to stay health and he has no business on this list and thing the only reason he is on the list because lebron is his teammate
Why is everyone scared to remove Damian Lillard. Klay, Kyrie, TMac, Jokic, Billups, Chris Webber, Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, and Bernard King all could've replaced Dame
I’m not scared so overrated dame himself didn’t even think he was gonna make the list that tells u they are smoking
dikembe mutumbo
Everyone but kyrie and klay, klay got 4 rings and pretty much nothing else lmao kyrie has 1 ring but no all nba first teams
right
@@jamal0001 you earn a ring .all NBA all-star ,MVP dpoy is voted on .
Bernard King has to be on the 75 players list 💯
What he do in the playoffs 🤔
Absolutely
If they left the original 50 in out of respect for the past, then they shouldn't have added Dominique and McAdoo to the next 25. Each era deserves a full complement.
The fact that Lillard made it over Tony Parker for example is ridiculous
Look who Tony played with Dame carries Portland
Or what about Manu Ginoblii? He won in every league he played in and is one of the most legendary 6th men in Nba history.
@@jm_funk777 yep him as well
Why is no one mentioning Alex English? he was already a snub for the first 50.
Ikr underrated
@@markjones2518. Bob Lanier and Joe Dumars too🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
TMac was on the same level as Kobe. Was just as gifted but was longer and more athletic. Injuries held him back towards the end of his career but his peak was just insane. Give this man his props.
Tmac had the same TALENT as Kobe. Kobe was the hardest working player ever which made him the most skilled player ever on top of the talent. Only casuals like you think Tmac and Kobe were on the same level.
Tmac never lead his team past the first round
Dwight over AD
Alex English over Dame
Bill Walton and Patrick Ewing also
And also Reggie Miller
The best AD is Adrian Dantley.
It seems everybody's forgotten about two of the greatest defensive players in NBA history: Dikembe Mutombo and Ben Wallace. I'm gladly taking out AD and Dame to add those two. Come playoff time, everybody starts talking about how defense wins championships; however, when lists are compiled, sudenly defense no longer matters..
TONY PARKER : 4 rings, 1 Finals MVP, NBA All-time playoffs scoring leader : Rank 10, NBA All-time playoffs assists leader : Rank 5. This 75 list without TONY PARKER is really a joke 😀😁😅😂. Even not in the snubs list 😂
I totally agree with you. I also feel DRose should have been on the list. His resume is legit.
Only MVPs that are not on the list are Rose and Jokic.
@@tzeege 2 MVPs who are not even Conference Champions. TONY PARKER, 4 rings and Finals MVP 2007.
@@prenomnomgoog1625 I wasn't replying to your comment.
Zach sort of hints around at a good point. Why did all of the top 50 guys stay on the lists? The last 25 years have been too good. It shouldn't matter that Dwight Howard is better than AD. He's DEFINITELY better than Dave DeBusschere, the fourth option on those Knicks teams.
The NBA is too classy to take guys off the list. I believe they lied when they said it would be a new 75, they knew good & well none of the original 50 were coming off that list.
@@369pendulum It's not classy to ignore history. It would not be an insult to be "taken off." They wouldn't be taken off. They would remain on the 50 team. That's an honor that is cemented in history. The top 75 is a new evaluation of history. There have been more than 25 elite players in the past 25 years. More than half of the guys on the NBA 25 team didn't make the top 50.
@@brewer921 So there would be a top 50 & a separate list of the top 75? That's a bit much. Those guys that made the original top 50 laid the groundwork for today's NBA. That list is not about who the best basketball players are, it's about tradition.
@@369pendulum Yes, the top 50 list belongs to the history books. In a good way. No one can take that honor away from Dave Bing. But Tracy McGrady is better and more important than Dave Bing. This is a new day. There was a top 25 list released in 1971, and the top 50 list didn't have a thing to do with it. It was outdated.
Then the NBA should make an All Decade Team
No mensions of Tony Parker, man, when you're not flashy the disrespect is real.
Adrian Dantley is the only player excluding MJ who avg 4 straight 30+ PPG since 3pt introduction
Sidney Moncrief,The great Dennis Johnson and Vince Carter
Klay is a top 50 after his career is over. Seriously a travesty. I'm taking Klay (multiple CHAMPION and DYNASTIC two way player), Dwight, Vince, TMAC (already in HOF), Kyrie, Jokic over Lillard any day.
I agree 100% the only reason he’s snubbed is because he plays with curry . But the records he’s broken . 37 a quarter that will never be broken. Look up any game 6 klay game …..
I wouldn't take Kyrie over Lillard. Kyrie has rings but he won them as a 2nd option. As 1st options, Lillard has driven his team's far further than Kyrie ever did. That said, I don't think Dame would make my 75 either
ya i still can't believe russell westbrick made the list over klay who beat them in the playoffs when he had kd as a teamate? He also smacked damian lillard as well sad he beat most of these current players on the list and still gets snubbed lol 37 in a quarter, 60 in just 3 quarters most 3 pointers made in a regular season game, Steve kerr never let this man loose when he was on fire klay could have easily had 70-80 point games maybe even more
@@Adot56 You're wrong lol
I can’t believe that Vince Carter got missed
Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, TMac
Dame ain't win nothing. not one MVP not one final appearance
No assist titles
no scoring titles
Just won a ig battle with Pat Bev and PG
Maybe that's a criteria too 🤔
i like dame but yea he shouldnt be on the list.. same wit ad
Dwight over AD
Tracie Mcgrady over Dame Dollar
Dennis Rodman definitely deserves to be on the list
Dennis Rodman was not ennough of a offensive player he is like 80th or 90th in my book
@Tony D'Archi Maybe so but with how they did it he definitely should not have been top 75. He was on the edge in my book anyways
Dennis Rodman IS on the list.
@@citizenghosttown I know they were acting as if Dennis doesn’t belong on the list but he definitely deserves to be.
@@stacet7837 He isn't better than many of the player snubbed from the list.
Vince Carter is the biggest snub. He scored over 25,000 points and played for 22 years. In his prime he was compared to Jordan. He changed the game.
Lowe had Dame on his list means he doesn’t understand the game and history. AD has been injured much of his career. He’s adding guys that are still playing when they deserve to (maybe) make 100 not the 75.
Everyone talk about Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol scholl him at the finals
Zach Lowe lost all credibility when he said Dennis Rodman should not be on the list. This is the problem with the list. No respect for defensive players. Dikembe, Dwight Howard, Ben Wallace. They were great players. Dikembe dominated Game 7 vs the Bucks in the Eastern Conference Finals when he the 76ers went to the Finals. He's a 4-Time Defensive Player of the Year. He should be on the list above AD, Dame, Melo, Harden.
Dennis Rodman shouldn't be on the list becuase never lead a team. If he did lead a team it wouldnt workout very well becuase the offensive would be non existent.
@@danielv6317 He never lead a team but he won. 5 times. Guys like Melo or Westbrook lead teams but they never won, so what's great about that? Dennis also has a case for GOAT defender, shouldn't the GOAT defender be recognized on a list like that. Defense does matter, some say it even wins championships.
Calling it now...Luka's going to be on the 100th anniversary list.
He is gonna be top 20 most likely
Luka is wearing 77 because he will be 77th player in that top-100 list.
I believe jokic will be there and one of the first add when it comes to active players
Wow you really pushed the boat out 😳
Way to go out on a limb 😳
Rodman guards 1 through 5.
Cool beans but still ain't top 75
So does Draymond... don't make them deserving over others
@@brianbenjamin653 Rodman was a defensive nightmare and at only 6'7" he led the league in rebounding SEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS in an era of 7 foot behemoths in the paint. He 100% deserves to be in the top 75.
@@dirtyfrench2926 maybe, I'm not gonna lie and say defense is sexy but I'm just surprised cause there are other players I'd put ahead of him. Also if you add Rodman, wouldn't you think you should add draymond to the team as well, they're very similar
@@brianbenjamin653 They are similar but Dennis was a lot more athletic, Dennis was freakishly athletic. However I do think that people mostly prefer him over Draymond because they can't stand Draymond and like Dennis. Having said all that defense should definitely be valued in a top 75 list.
As it is said in their logo: Selected for being pioneers that have helped shape, define, and redefine the game. This is the NBA 75th Anniversary Team.
Vince Carter = Arguably greatest dunker of all time
Tony Parker = Made teardrop/floater an effective weapon in the paint for undersized less athletic guards. Made spin move a thing of beauty.
Manu Ginobili = Eurostep
Dwight Howard = Ustoppable in his prime
Klay Thompson = 37 points in a quarter. 3 Pont shot record holder.
Your point is similar to what they were talking about on Doug Gottlieb's Show. Someone objected to Ray Allen being in the list and one of them brought up how Ray Allen was the 1st to expand 3poijt shooting beyond Reggie Miller and before Steph Curry. Your argument is similar.
Parker didn't bring the teardrop floater. Mark Jackson did.
@@dapog you know the difference of the words made and created? I did not say he created that shot. But he was the first and IMHO still the best to ever used it efficiently and he dominated with it. History tells he was once dominated the painted area in terms of volume and efficiency in the era of shaq, prime amare, prime ben wallace, KG and many more.
Klay and kyrie not making the list 🤯
Dwight Howard.. Vince Carter.. Tracy McGrady... Nicola Jokic... Derrick Rose...Tony Parker..Manu Ginobili...Dikembe Mutombo... Grant Hill...Pao Gasol... Chauncey Billups...Bernard King....Alex English...Yao Ming... Adrian Dantley... Paul George...Luca Doncic
Wilt Chamberlain once missed 27 shots in one game. I can do that.
1:56 she just straight up interrupted him😂
TONY PARKER
Just wondering, how many people will put AD on that list, for his own accomplishment and impact on the game, if he hadn't team up with LeBron and get that ring?
But the main problem of the list is they left all 50 of the players on the old list untouched.
Jokic over AD
If jokic was American
He would have been "IN"
What other year six player made it? AlsoDwight has a better resume than Jokic. He's American and didn't crack the roster.
Too early
Derrick Rose didn’t even make it. But I agree Jokic should be there
@@mybestnugget7514 if he was never injured then he's most likely to be included
@@taimili9353 AD is great but neveras impactful as Jokic, and yeah howard over AD too
Klay and Draymond should be on the list
Nice oner!
Klay bout to drop 60 in first half in his first game back....
Don't put too much weight on these media made lists.
Exactly, NBA media’s voting has consistently proven to be wonky & not always a true representation of the association.
Everybody can't be on the list, they all beasty
NBA voting has consistently proven to be wonky & not always a true representation of the association. This list had a lot of hits and misses.
Without Dwight this list losses credibility.
Overrated
@@user-tj7pn3kk7p lol and what did AD and Dame achieved?
@@user-tj7pn3kk7p yeah coz AD only had like 2 playoff apperances in his 7 year career before Lebron recruited him and no real accolade, Dwight was 3-time DPOY, 5-time Allstar, 4 All-NBA First team, 3 All-NBA Defensive First team, 3 rebounding leader, 2 block leader and most importantly made it to the Finals facing the Celtics, Lakers and MVP Lebron in the same playoffs in that same 7 years time span with an even worse roster, what did AD exactly do?
@@brrr3301 Howard won a title with AD on top of all that
Remove AD, Lillard
Yo Malika is killing it on the jump!!
Kyrie is the most skilled point not on this list. smh
😂🤡
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If I'm going to War I need DAWGSSSS like prime Rodman or game 6 Klay. Good luck with no defense Dame or I'm only here for buckets Melo.
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The fact is that there are a lot of ok players from the 60s and 70s on that list who don't really belong there anymore, but they were kept there because they were on the 50th anniversary list and they're OGs.....
This list is missing several guys like Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Klay Thompson, Nikola Jokic, etc......
Who on earth would choose Carmelo over Klay.
It was way too early for a lot of these players, they should have been on the 100th, not the 75th. Where is Carter, McGrady and Chris Webber the guy was the 2nd or 3rd best power forward in the league for 10yrs.
Why Lillard, Carmelo and AD in there but not Thompson
Vince Carter (19th) and Alex English (20th) are the only players on the top 20 scoring list all time not on the NBA 75th anniversary team. Yao and Dwight must be in....Lillard and Davies are candidates for top 100.
How can Vince Carter not be on the list of the top 75 of all time. It’s a complete joke. In his prime there is not 75 players you’d take over him.
Manu!
MJ and Pippen....Kobe and Shaq...Stockton and Malone...Steph and Klay 🤷♂️
If they won in 2016, 100% he would be on the list
Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili
No-one remembers Gus Johnson and Connie Hawkins 2 rough forwards
This list is gonna make Klay Thompson make the league pay...
Dwight, Klay and T Mac the biggest snubs!! Why is Melo on the list?? And AD? Also Grant Hill and VC should have been on that list!!
dikembe mutumbo
Dwight howard,Vince carter,Tracy mcgrady,Adrian dantley,Alex English,Bernard king and grant hill all should have made the nba top 75
Why is AD not being removed by these biased analysts?! DAME, AD, WESTBRICK, HARDEN! They shouldn't be in the list of top 75 tsssss
Bro AD was the 1st person I took off for Klay or Dwight
There are tery porter, kevin johnson, bryon scott, t mac, carter, jermaine oneal, stojakovich, parker, ginobili, mutombo, van excel, jason williams, klay, dwight howard and the list still continue that i will chose than lillard, a. Davis People forget They were a beast at their prime.
A lot of people forget how good Dwight used to be! Look at those magic highlights!! And TMac not in is gnarly!!! Klay has to be in the top 75 on the 100 list or I quit!
Nothing but a alley oop player
Gosh I love Malika!
I would’ve had Klay and Tmac instead of dame and AD. Klay will go down as the 2nd best shooter in nba history
And AD is great but he can’t lead a team on his own and needs lebron, and I respect Dame for staying in Portland, but TMac was a generational player
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Good choice.
TMAC OVER AD ????? Lmaooooo
Klay over AD and Dame is RIDICULOUS. Klay doesn't deserve to to be on there when guys like Dwight, Tracy and Vince aren't there no way
I'd take T-mac over Dame at this moment in time. Once Dame's career finishes it might be a different story
Bernard King, Dwight, Vince, Klay, T Mac, Parker…. How???
where Ginobli at???
whimens in centre talkin about basketball....epic!!!
Before dame you should look tery porter, who is a beast at portland. He is one of portland legend
Put Dwight over Melo Dwight has much better resume than Melo 3 time DPOY 5 time all nba First team beat LeBron to reach NBA Finals as the best player on the team Melo has won 3 playoff series in 18 years. Take Melo off the list and put Dwight
As a huge melo fan even I agree
I said this yesterday and people was tripping, I’m like what did melo do to Earn this spot? 🤷🏾♂️
@CR X cut it out Dwight was actually Dominant in his prime Rudy just tall 😂😂😂😂
@CR X Dwight was much better player than Gobert in his prime both offensively and defensively.
@CR X -- You are either trolling or never saw Orlando Magic Dwight Howard play. The guy was a top 5 MVP candidate at least 5 times. He wasn't just a defensive player. He was the kind of guy who could carry a team offensively and averaged over 30 in multiple playoff series when he went to the finals.
Maybe on the NBA's 80 best players list, Klay would be there already
Klay is arguably the 2nd greatest shooter of all time behind his teammate Steph.
Sorry Klay but you needed to beat out the 26 players that were added to the 50 greatest not the whole collective
@Ta-Kuan Fuan there was a tie, also the only people I will concede on the list is dame, and AD, and possibly Paul Pierce and still Dwight Howard deserves the nod, and you can make an argument that at least four people over klay
Bernard King. Could not be stopped. Period.
So Dame over Kyrie and Klay
Connie Hawkins is a top 5 NBA all-time forward. The league unfairly banned him for 8 years and yet is records are amazing. Having seen him play, he was a hybrid between Larry Bird ( passing) and Dr J (playing above the rim). I would say that he was in the Elgin Baylor / Dr J level. How could Dennis Rodman be ahead of him is beyond me.
Parker over dame
Parker, manu, pau gasol, klay all snubs
No Adrian Dantley, Alex English, Vince Carter, Dikembe Mutombo, Dennis Johnson
I never would understand why one would question the inclusion of Dennis Rodman. Really?
Mutombo,Vince Carter, Tony Parker...
Robert Parrish? Dwight was more dominant than Parrish, but The Chief's rings gives him the cachet i guess
Why is Westbrook on this list? Constant stat padding + non existent basketball IQ = one of the greatest ever... They have to be kidding.
100% correct
Why nobody talking about how Chris Bosh got snubbed man y’all never respect bosh 😢
He's 2 rings is with Bron and DWade also he doesn't have Dwight's resume
Chris Bosh ?
Him getting into the HOF itself is a travesty.
He has 1 All NBA team.
It would be difficult to find any player with less accomplishments than Bosh.
@@cp3190 Chris Bosh is better than at least 20 players on that list
@@cp3190 he only had 1 All-NBA coz he played in the same era as Tim duncan, Dirk and KG. Those 3 literally monoplized the All-NBA teams PF position
@@cp3190 also right after Lebron left Bosh had the chance to getting back his former numbers and possibly get more All-NBA selections but that's when he's got his illness which forced him to retire early
Tmac never got out of the 1st round. He's an all time talent but he's only Honorable Mention
If Klay changes his number to 77 he becomes my favorite player immediately
Mutombo is underrated.....
2nd best shooter ever to Chef and he locks people up on d too
Jason Williams, Joe Dumars, Gasol
This list just shows how little ppl care about defense
Dwight, Dikembe and Big Ben
BOB LANIER & BENARD KING
Ad should definitely not have been on their, Howard and t mac should.have been. I do think Rodman is a top 75 because he was the best rebounder and defender of his era arguably
Butler better be on there
Dwight
Klay
Parker
Ben Wallace
Alex English
Kyrie
All of whom belong on this list. Not too sure who we could argue to remove but I guess that’s what the experts are for..
Dennis is top 75 all day ask MJ. The joker is not worthy, take Davis off put Howard on.
Melo and Lillard don't deserve that 75 greatest players yet..Klay and Dwight more deserved of this spot..