Using Numbers to Find the 75 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time
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He the only nigga ik who uses charts to show what another chart is showing
Jimmy's graphs just keep getting bigger and bigger lol
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And better and better
The Jimmyverse is expanding real quick
while getting worse and worse
That's not a graph dummy, it's a table🤦♂️
Jokic's recalculated score, just after Denver won the title:
1 championship = +2 points
1 finals MVP = +10.5 points
2 MVPs (previously had 1) + 7.5 points (for a total of 18 points)
6.64 assists per game = +1 point (since Lillard's average is now 6.70)
WS/48: .2474 = +17 points
PER: 27.7 = +19 points
Shot making = ??
Impact and influence = ??
This gives him a total of 67.5, putting him in 13th overall
If you give him a few points for shot making and impact/influence, then he could be as high as 10th overall.
He would also gain 10+ points if we used total rebound percentage (TRB%) instead of total rebounds (a lot of the top rebounders played in an era where pace was much higher and shooting percentages were much lower, so there were waaaaay more rebounds to go around)...Jokic ranks 13th all-time in TRB% (and only behind Moses Malone, Dwight Howard and Joel Embiid amongst players on the top 110 list) since they began tracking it in 1970. He ranks ahead of Wes Unseld (5th highest RPG all-time) in TRB% -- who played all but 2 seasons after 1970.
Using this criteria, he might gain 10-15 points, which would easily put him in the top 10 (according to this criteria)
Jokic fans are disgusting and pathetic holy shit😭😭😭
He’s not even top 30 Argus
Walton over Jokic
I have jokic at 25~ rn but this just shows how good he is already at 28
His influence is actually already extreme. Look at the amount of look-a-likes like Shengun, and teams building around that model.
Jokic now PER and WS/48 both 20pts. Also at 6.9 apg adds +5 to the total of 76.5 for the 10th spot all-time
Shot making and impact and influence shouldn't be categories. Those are completely subjective and its just his opinion.
Bird has to be in that influence and impact section. Him and Magic saved basketball and made it extremely popular. They set up the globalization that Jordan brought to the sport. Basketball wouldn’t have taken off the way it did in the 90s without Bird and Johnson. Bird is also hugely important because he got the white audience into basketball
Absolutely right....
Also Kareem lol… Like that man and Wilt had the rules changed up on em so hard man damn
@@letitswissarmy NOPE ONLY WILT. JABBAR NEVER CHANGE RULES.
100 percent
I was thinking that when I watched it. Bird saved the NBA with Johnson and was the first man to successfully use the 3-point line
jimmy needs a podcast. bro could talk about anything and i’m tuning in
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I 100% agree
But then we wouldn't see his beautiful chart
agreed
Faxxxxx
- Michael Jordan places 13 in shot making.
MJ: “I took that personally..”
I am sure Jordan is pissed, but if I were Bernard King, Rick Barry, Jerry West and IT(Detroit) , being left off the list, behind a guy like TMAC who can't make enough shots to get out of the first round, would not make me happy.
Even I knew MJ was the Goat. The stats don't lie. I will forever live in his shadow.
defensive teams.. "shot making" "influence"
excuses to buff kobe's numbers.. rofl.
shot making isn't involved in shooting stats? clutch stats?
defensive teams aren't complete BS?
influence?! that's complete bias...
I kinda felt like he made that part of the stat just to give Kobe extra points
Kawhi over LeBron….😂😂
I’d love to see how all 110 players ranked. And maybe an updated version of this since the end of the season, guys like curry, klay, and jokic definitely had a big jump
not klay but jokic and steph yeah
I think he meant as how Klay came back from a long injury absence and put the numbers he did. Steph and jokic definitely had a way bigger jump though.
I redid Steph’s ranking after this year and he’s around 11th, which I think makes sense
Especially jokic and curry, those two hit historic numbers this season, and in jokic’s case we have SO MUCH more left
Def not klay
Jimmy should revisit this metric every few years to see active players development!!!
Jokić's career PER is now 27.7, in the playoffs 29.1
@@markomarkovic5729this list is created 2 years ago. Why you crying about the 29+ PER of jokic, just wait for the next calculation
The amount of effort that goes into these videos is astonishing!
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Forreal! Feel like im @ a Ted-Talk.
Yeah well he does have nearly 2 million subscribers
That player is LUKA the Don!
Might pass Bron in all -nba team selections
He's the only player to start early enough. We'll see if he can keep it up for 15 more years
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@@ambassadorcartwright9127 no reason why he won't. His game doesn't rely on athleticism and speed at all so no reason age will slow him down.
I thought giannis
Yep
I GUARANTEE the current player he was thinking of was Luka Doncic, because that man is the next face of the NBA
@Shredding in DL Anthony edwards is good but not luka good bruh
Yeah Luka is on the trajectory bc he has 3 all nba selections in just 4 seasons but we rlly don’t know how much longevity he’ll have in his career to get to 15
After Giannis... Sure, It is Luka, not debatable
Luka, because at age 23 he is better than MICHAEL JORDAN at age 23
I think its luka as well
Bird should be higher in the shot-making category. Arguably the greatest clutch shooter in the history of the game. Made many game-winning last-second shots, even when the defense knew they were coming. Should also be part of the "Impact and Influence" rankings, since he and Magic re-ignited interest in a dying league.
The shotmaking and impact lists are the two most flawed and unsurprisingly they are the two subjective categories.
@@scottb3034 yeah mj 13 on shot making and kareem not even on the list lol
this is Jimmy's channel bruh if you gonna make that claim you need at least 7 graphs to back it up
Ray Allen has entered the chat
@@OmarAli-mh2jmshot making has nothing to do making shots.
Yeah Allen was an all timer as far as the 3 ball goes and had a nice touch. But shot making has to do with manufacturing shots - when there seem to be none - and making them… plenty of players are great at making shots by picking and choosing their spots.
We talking about 3 seconds to go, the entire team is choking, the defense has collapsed on your guy and there hands all over the place…
3, 2,…
Larry Legend got to be #1 and Kobe #2
The fact that Derrick Rose is on this list just goes to show how good he really was in his prime (prime of his career*)
its just too bad that his career is ruined by injuries, one of the greatest "WHAT IF's" in NBA history, I'm just happy as a basketball fan that he's still in the NBA and doing a great job as a bench player 🤘
Derrick got hurt before his prime
Bro he was that good BEFORE his prime imagine his prime without injury
But then again I got Luka in this list at 42 💀
I said if once and I’ll say it again. Rose was never in his prime.
Being critical of the “eye test” and showing Skip & Shannon is hilarious.
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These videos really highlight the shortcomings of using ranking over scoring in such a comparison. By assigning points based on ranks, some categories like # of MVPs or # of _ selections can create massive disparities in points. The difference between 10 and 11 selections shouldn't be way more valuable than the difference between 11 and 12. Also limiting to 20 in any category is going to inhibit well-rounded players who might not make the top 20 but consistently sit in the top half of the list.
i come back to this video a lot, not because of how hard u definitely worked on this, but more about how humble you are about your list considering the amount of work put in. the ability to admit that there are many flaws in a project you probably put weeks if not a month into is something to be appreciated. thank u jxmy
Epic levels of glazing.
Jxmy in high school: When will I ever use math after school?
Jxmy now: *Using numbers to find the 75 greatest NBA players of All-time*
Except that he uses the most usable in math... statistics
Stats are different than Radicals and Quantum Mechanics
@@ry_an. yeah but I don't get your point.
@@ry_an. nobody said he was using quantum mechanics bro😭. he just said “school”
@@dalanlarson6334 I’m implying that stats are a more useful subject matter relating to real world stuff taught in school that what I was taught in math which was quantum mechanics.
I'm surprised Wilt isn't higher on the "Impact and Influence" list. He caused more NBA rule changes than any other player in history. They had to literally change the game so he wouldn't be so dominant! This is probably just my personal bias though...I always feel Wilt gets far too little respect in these debates.
Naw they really did tho
A lot of 60s players won’t get their due here. All defensive teams didn’t exist until after their time, and Russell and Wilt are two of the best defenders ever. Defense seems undervalued on this list, at least to me. FMVP is another one. He gave bill the one spot, but wilt would have another FMVP too, which would give him even more points. Crazy they’re both top 5 even without these shoe-in total point boosters
Wilt, Mike, Steph.
@@ZWill07 even Dirk and Manu
I totally agree
Wilt needs to be higher than 10 for impact and influence. The league changed the rules so he couldn’t dominate as easily. No other player has that kind of influence. In terms of players that have changed the way we see the game, the way we watch basketball, the way we play basketball, he changed the way we see and play the game LITERALLY through the rules. No other player has done that.
Wilt should be number one
Love the concept, I personally would've ranked all 110 though in each category. I understand for things like influence that would've taken days, but I think it would make the list more accurate past the top 10 to 15
That "without a doubt" line when talking about Luka's skill gave me chills. I've never been so excited for the future of an NBA player
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Watching luka play reminded me why I fell in love with basketball as a kid. Im 34 now, and he's bringing the excitement I had as a kid back.
That’s the thing is that there’s a lot of fans who discredit just how good of a player is because he doesn’t have a 40 inch vertical. You ask people would they rather have Ja Morant or Luka and everyone with an IQ in the double digits or higher will say Luka, because skills > athleticism
It's actually Giannis but okay racist.
@harvey dent that takes no skill at all
Zaza Pachulia actually has the most all-defensive teams. The cameras just weren't on.
Wait what do you mean?
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Love your content, bro. You put a lot of effort to make this list, and you said that this list is far from perfect. Respect.
*Positives:* The whole damn project. Lotta work. Also, love the shout-outs to Moses Malone and Buck's-era Kareem. Highlighting Robinson's productivity was great (love Hakeem, but I'm always reminding people that Robinson was VERY similar in most stats). Whatever the minuses, overall this was really interesting, and I'm sure a lot of work. Thanks!
*Minuses:*
1. Your two subjective lists have... um... problems. For Impact, Kobe was more impactful/influential than Curry, Russell, Chamberlain, Dr. J, and Magic? Come on now. And shouldn't Magic & Bird be joined at the hip when it comes to impact and influence, but Bird doesn't even make the list? (If you're including Magic's social impact for how he handled his HIV diagnosis, then he should be #1 hands down!) And as for "Shot Making", not only do you have Kobe over Jordan, but you have Kobe #1 and Jordan #13... when they're the damn same player in the sense of being a "shot maker" (and Jordan, although 1% less on 3PT%, was 4% more efficient overall.) The "Shot Making" list is just strange for all kinds of reasons (Ex: Are distance shooters "shot makers" because they can easily "create" by shooting from far away? And Kyrie #11? Over Wade and Jordan and Ice? No. And Vince Carter makes it, but A.I. doesn't? And again, Kyrie is #11, but A.I. ain't even on the list! And wasn't Wilt pretty good at making a shot? What about the logo? Legend has it that Elgin Baylor was pretty good too.)
2. The points given by rank are a little suspect. Ten All-NBA Teams gets you 1 point, but 11 All-NBA Teams gets you 8 points? And I assume 9 selections gets you nothing. Wes Unseld - who I checked to make sure he got his proper love - actually got too much love by your system. Players who had 7, 8, or 9 All-NBA selections should've be given something for that, to separate them from players like Unseld, who wasn't nearly so dominant for so long.
3. You triply messed up Wes Unseld's points (neglected his Final's MVP, didn't include his photo among the Championships, and incorrectly computed his score even given those two mistakes. This makes me wonder... did you do this by hand? I assume you used a spreadsheet, but if done by hand, then - _Holy Hell dude_ - that's WAAAY above and beyond.)
4. Ice Ice Baby!
Under Shot Making, you put George Gervin #18.
LOL
Players in NBA history with 4 scoring titles in 5 years: Durant, Jordan, Gervin, Chamberlain.
And Allen Iverson is the only other player to get 4 scoring titles total.
And... Gervin spent his first 4 years in the ABA before the merger, so who knows if he might have had even more?
And, for a wing, his career 2 PT % of 512 is, um... pretty good, eh? That SOB seemingly never missed.
He's underappreciated.
A lot of facts here
I think the subjective lists threw this thing off massively. Kobe got 29 points from 'shot making' and 'influence', which pretty much cemented him top 5 instead of 7/8. How does Lebron not get a single point for shot making when he's pretty much the best player ever at driving and finishing at the rim (and has better efficiency than Kobe).
Also the recency bias is insane. Luka ahead of Scottie Pippen? Lilliard is the 50th best player ever? Why? Because he shoots 3s efficiently?
You write all this masterpiece of information just for 20 likeslemme turn that 21 amazing comment
Agree - would have been great if he just used basketball stats and accolades, and not things that are subjective like 'Clutch, shot making, influence etc
Well imo the fact that mj is number 1 and lebron in second proves the authenticity of the list and how numbers do not lie. If you compare these results with jimmy’s latest video on the GOAT debate according to NBA players the results match this list.
The only thing I wish Jimmy held higher in scoring is DPOY. I’d be curious to see how much generational defensive talents move up the ranks w just a few awards ( Hakeem, Giannis, etc )
Exactly, Dwight Howard definitely deserves top 75 or 60
i mean the thing is ben wallace has the most dpoys but isnt in the hof... in the overall picture they dont matter as much
@@drain5447 a quick google search shows that he is
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They should
Left out steals and blocks. Numbers don’t lie, but you can create misinformation by hiding the numbers.
All of Jimmys comments be like : “whenever Jimmy uploads its a great day”. And they are all true
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But how do u know his names jimmy? Could be jommy or jemmy
Facts, dude makes it a good day when he uploads
Whenever Jimmy uploads it's a great day
@@brendanz he said it
Great video! Super fun to watch thank you for all the effort. The only thing that’s a little strange to me is that the end chart might be a little off. I noticed ad had 18 points in the per stat but only 11 in the total counter. So even if he didn’t place at all in the other categories he should still be a little higher. Just an observation not really worried about it.
Great work Jimmy. Really appreciate your work. Love it.
Luca Doncic might just end up with the most all-nba selections
That's who he was referring to when he said drop the answer in the comments box
Great mindssss
Was just looking for a Luka comment
Or Trae
he's got 2 All NBA selections in 4 years, I don't see him having as long of a career as LeBron either
"A jack of all trades, and a master... of many." I don't think there's ever been a better description of the GOAT.
Except a three
@@endk.3500 he can shoot the 3 he doesnt want to
@@envision136 He literally holds the record for the worst 3 point performance in the 3 point contest with Detlef Schrempf
@@duantae A three point contest really. That don't mean anything
@@micaiahpatterson1880 he should've never been in the contest
Thanks for the effort man, thats amazing
Lebron being the alltime scoring champ yet not listed AT ALL in the Shot Making graphic is wild
THIS WAS MADE 2 YEARS AGO
@@bansheem5382 AND!? LBJ had already passed Kobe on the scoring list and he had Kobe in the one spot! LBJ passed Kobe in 104 less games and on 1,880 less shots. Clearly this guy did this to boast Kobe, its kind of pathetic to be honest.
Longevity my friend . Not shot making skill.
Wilt higher in influence... He has changed so many rules especially when talking about defence and blocking
Wilt is the original monster when it came to basketball, Shaq just took over that title. The 2 monsters gifted with athleticism and rare physique that let them dominate without any effort. They are the embodiment of "built different" in basketball.
@@johngrimm2074 he is the reason people count blocks
If Bill take most points of finals mvp then why Wilt didn't take not even +0.5 ???? He could have won one more you know !
Yeah and Magic should be almost at the top of the list with Bird. Those two guys saved the NBA.
@@tmac5135 So true. NBA was floundering as a league before those two hit the NBA hardwood. Thankfully, they went to great franchises. I think they may have had one of the first shoe deals with the Converse Weapons, each with team colors. The impact of Magic and Bird cannot be understated. Then Michael came into the league and the rest is history.
I don't think we say this enough: Thank You, Jimmy.
I agree
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You're the goat jxmy wow effortful
Though the amount of work put into this vid is great keep up the good work
Should have put Dirk in impact
He changed the roles of the big guys alot
And into shot making
Dirk is regarded by many to have one of the most unguardeble shots in NBA history. After the Skyhook mainly.
No one could stop Dirks Fadeaway.
George Mikan should be there too but his impact was so long ago most people don't remember that he not only inspired everything about what the classic big man is he's also the pioneer that invented the 3-point line despite criticism which he said he created to give smaller players more roles
Who gets moved out the top 10?
Wilt at 10 in the influence list is hilarious. The nba changed the rules cause of him...
@@giovannigelain645 the nba changed rules because of Zaza to 😂 so can you explain to me how rule change matters also who would he be higher then, Julius? You believe he should be higher then the guy whos the god/creator of flashy dunks and even if you believe he should be how would that change the final list he’d still be in the same spot
No Dirk on the shot making? (creating and making their shot) No Dirk on your impact list? Stretch 4s and 5s all over the league because of him. Everything else is pretty good tho.
I criticize the same points. Dirk has a Fair ranking on the overall list. But impact on big men and international players (him being the first international mvp who didn't play college in the US is also huge) and shot making, with being 50-40-90 and having arguably the best fadeaway ever. These points I also can't understand.
Yeah Dirk should be in shot maker and influence list. The first 7 footer scorer and shooter. And MJ at no. 13 at shot making? 10 scoring titles, highest career ppg, 50% career FG% as a shooting guard, one of the deadliest midrange shooters of all time. Not sure what his basis on that list. Im sure creativity is ignored bec no way steph, klay, ray allen and kd are more creative than mj. I guess 3 pt shooting takes a lot of the percentage. But he got the rest of lists right.
KG was the prototype for the stretch 4. Heck, you can make a not insane case that Dirk isn't the Most important stretch 4 who played pro ball in TX. (Tina Thompson, COME ON DOWN!) If KG doesn't play well early in his career, Dallas doesn't take a chance on Dirk Nowitzki, and holds onto Robert Tractor Traylor.
@@iluminati Who is Tina Thompson? We are talking about the NBA not toy leagues.
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Amazing! Amazing work. Very impressive
I know jack squat about basketball or the NBA.. but I watch all of your videos. The science, the production, the research. Everything is top tier.
Keep it up please.
That said, its time to do this again. I wanna see where Steph is at now that he is champion and FMVP.
He ranked steph 7th
Derrick Rose at 72 is surprising. His potential was limitless and it was such a shame he kept getting injured.
For the life of me I will never understand what everyone saw in that guy. He was an explosive guard that was mostly hype, there wasn’t anything he did that was all that exceptional yet people treated him like a god.
Still baffles me till this day.
@@LegendInThaMakin cause he's the youngest player to have an mvp and was picked over LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, prime Dwight, and prime CP3, not to mention KD and prime K Love. So the dude isn't wrong to say he had potential
@@dudesayHEY but he didn’t deserve it. Lebron had a much better season than rose did that year, significantly better.
Once again, just hype.
@@LegendInThaMakin ahhh that's were I disagree with you. The 10-11 Bulls had 4 more wins over the Heat while the Heat had 3 All-Stars when the Bulls only had Rose and an all-star, swept them in the regular season. If Rose had another all-star caliber player for sure the Playoffs would have been different
It’s not suprising.
“No one is necessarily wrong. Well, unless you have someone else than Michael Jordan at number 1. Then your definitely wrong. And you can go ahead and throw that list in the trash” - Jxmy 2021
best line of the video
@@vikrantkumar7449 100%
My favorite part of the whole vid 😂
you’re*
You’re god damn right.
Nice list! Good to see that a stat-based list is almost as close as doing the eye test list. Just a bit of shame that a guy like Manu Ginobili would never be included in such list due to how the Spurs functioned.
As far as the best shot makers, I really feel dirk should’ve been on the list, even if it was #10 dude completely revolutionized how big men play the game. Not too many bigs were stretching the floor before dirk or at the level dirk was doing it.
You get that was a made up category just to give Kobe more points, right? But you're not wrong, Dirk should of been at the top of that list. A seven footer you was impossible to block because of his size and one legged fad away. He also had crazy range for a man his size.
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For the All-NBA selection, the only two active players I could see beating Lebron's count are Luca Doncic (2 so far in 3 years of NBA and only 22 years old today) or Giannis Antetokounmpo (5 so far in 8 seasons and about to be 27 years old). Both have won their selections consecutively and are both currently active streaks.
Yeah I was guessing Luka too.
Those two are the only ones I see doing it
Lebron still goin he'll end up w 19 or 20 they aint reaching tht
Dont believe luka will make it till there cause we people from Europe like to live life even if we are professional athletes(meaning luka will always let himself go in the offseason meanwhile bron was working his ass off after his 18th season in the league and also crazy crazy longevity due to genetics and discipline) that being said i think Lukas out,but i think Giannis could be close but players like him at that size usually get hurt after 30 so i think injuries will catch him later in his career.Again,this is my personal view and i hope they do make it close to brons record
@@bugzmccarthy8416 he def wont especially when he sits out half the season
Appreciate the video man, great to see this type of breakdown!
Nonstop with no replies? love ur vids btw, also nice heart from jimmy
@@SLVYER ikr gotta reply to nonstop
Dude this is an amazing crossover, Nonstop Jody lol
@@genericstaticshock705 Jody?
Do you guys remember his video about George Marcus, the greatest basketball player ever, and there's a lot of videos that seem to be just missing from his channel??? What happened to them??
It'd be interesting to see what an updated version looks like for KD, Steph, and particularly Jokic and Embiid.
Mistake: You left of that Wes Unseld was a Final's MVP. That gives him a regular season MVP (+10.5), a Final's MVP (+10.5), a Championship (+2), and #5 all time RPG (+16), for 39 points, making him #27 all time (moving one ahead of Jerry West, which is of course absurd). Also, you had his total at 29.5, but if you only included #5 RPG (+16) and regular season MVP (+10.5), then somehow you gave him 3 more points that I didn't see (I didn't see his picture among those with 1 ring, and that still would've only been 2 points, not 3, making a total - with your oversight - 28.5, not 29.5).
I think RPG, APG and PPG should have been adjusted to per 100 possessions. The pace of play has changed a lot.
True. I want to see a new, adjusted for inflation list.
or per 75 possessions
I agree
In that case Stockton is way out in front.
This was a certified "HIGHROLLER" classic
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Great analysis!!!
this list is very close to the list the nba has made, great work.
Career averages also tend to be higher for active players in their primes. For example, Kevin Durant's 27 ppg is very unlikely to be maintained if he decides to play in his late 30s.
Yep and MJ,Wilt will have far ahead ppg if they don’t include their twilight years
@@ryuichihwang2495 Wilt retired in his mid-30s.
@@jp3813 yeah but the 60s where a different time, primes didnt last as long and chamberlain got jnjured
@@morpher728 I believe he got injured in the 1969-70 season around age 33 or so. He had the same ppg the year prior and the year after. It has more to do w/ switching his style of play b/c Jerry West had higher averages throughout his 30s. Such a switch was nothing new to Wilt b/c his highest postseason average was 37 ppg (3 games) rather than the absurd 50 ppg (80 games) in the regular season. By contrast, West's highest for both are 41 ppg (11 games) & 31 ppg (79 games) respectively.
Yeah but pre 2003 you had to play man to man so it made it easier to score for those older more experienced players who used skill rather than physical gifts
The Wade spot troubled me the most. But even as a die hard LeBron stan, your top 10 was pretty damn accurate.
yeah I was about to say, Wade is way too low, Embiid is way too high.
Also what is Luka doing at 42 already? Maybe in 10 years but for now? Come on. Embiid same thing. Melo too. Rondo at 62, above Pierce? Jokic already in top 75? Come on...
no Alonzo Mourning, Walt Frazier, PATRICK EWING, CLYDE DREXLER on the list is blasphemy...
edit: okay, jimmy mentioned it too, I just paused at the moment he showed the full list, and got worried. but he noticed them missing too, at least.
@@csanadhorvath Luka being on the list I guess is similar to Shaq being on the top 50 list. At the time he was only a 3rd year player or something, and everyone, including himself, thought he was crowned too early. That being said, when they were discussing on NBA open court, they said “they guessed shaq, and they guessed right.” Similarly, I guess Jxmy is almost guessing Luka.
Same man. Literally only thing that bothers me is the wade spot
Seriously. There is literally NOBODY I would take over him from 31 to where he is. And a few of the people above Giannis I would also put Dwade over. I still think he's a top 30 play all time, possibly top 25 depending on who you got.
Wade makes sense to me. Remember, this isn't a Hall of Fame list, but 75 greatest. He seems about right.
I don't know why, but it makes me incredibly happy for Rajon Rondo to be on the list. Even if it isn't a high spot. Hope people are going to remember how good he was in his prime.
Amazing MJ topped all as the GOAT. Glad to see Tony Parker in this 75 greatest players list: he was left out of the NBA 75 list, with all his championship rings, accolades, leader abilities, basketball skills, and dedication to the game. But it was still sad not to see Clyde the glyde Drexler included: can we not extend to top 100? :-)
Tony and Manu missing it made me sad, but at the same time there were always going to be snubs
👑=GOAT
@@ninjamage5215 should have been the top 100 players
That's right top 100 to many great players left off
Jimmy is the MJ of the youtube NBA content creators, the one true goat at his craft. 🐐🐐🐐
Name a 18 year old rapper better than me…….U CANT!🔥🔥 czcams.com/video/_9mslWHfZRg/video.html
Can we just appreciate how this dude took the time to gather all this data just to make a video for us?
Thanks for the vid Jxmy!
Really good vid like all of them
We need a part 2 after this nba season ❤
The thing that shocked me the most was Luka on this list and not just on the bottom, but right in the middle. Wow
I was looking for this type of comment
Call me crazy but I think Luka will end up being the Goat considering how high he already is
@@justinherbertthepervert4817 unless he gets a lot of injuries
@@justinherbertthepervert4817 Luka will be a great player but his impact on defense is too low for GOAT status
@@lubeau8296 Who knows maybe he'll develop some decent defense in years to come
Nobody:
Literally no one:
Jimmy: To show you how huge that is, here is this graph 😮
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Faxx.
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He wouldn't be Jimmy with out the graphs lol
Graphs influence people’s opinions.
Well he did It to "put it into perspective" :D
You clearly the GOAT of the analysis
If Jokic wins the championship and the FMVP this year, he will be 11 all time with his current stats
Top 20-25 but I can’t easily name 11 better players than jokic all time
When is Jimmy gonna rank his ranks? Let's go full meta.
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December
“No one’s necessarily wrong…unless if you don’t have Michael Jordan at #1” I love how this statement is coming from a lebron fan😂
The same thing I think every time he has a video about one of those great stories of MJ🔥🔥🔥
Because he makes his content from an objective point of view, which is something that is lacking in the internet in general and in some media platforms. Thats why his content is so good and no one can be mad at it.
Shaq is the best player to ever step foot in the nba
@@JaKingScomez
He’s not even the GOAT at his position.
@@Frostshokula As an MJ fan, Lebron is no doubt the best small forward. Not to mention he can also play point guard and power forward, yet still manage to produce better results than many good players.
after the 2022 finals curry jumped a whole lot in this. Ranking KD over curry at this point is insane
#13 i would say
KD did a lot earlier his career so i would say KD is better rn. later steph could prob beat him out
@@TrevA102 kd is better steph curry is greater there’s a difference
Wilt Chamberlain had the greatest peak
Ben Taylor: And I took that personally
*You should’ve also taken into account that Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain would have 13 and 11 All-Defensive Team selections if the All-Defensive Team award started before 1969*
no chance, MJ wouldn't be #1 then, Jimmy cant risk that happening.
MJ wasnt top 10 in the stat he made up
i was gonna comment exatly the same thing
Keywords "Would have"
@@honestaccgroup
*He took into account that Bill Russell “would have” the most Finals MVPs*
We all need to appreciate how much effort/research he puts in these vids he’s the real 🐐 here
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Faxx.
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We do
For just a content, this is unreal. It is so extensive that you can publish a paper. Fuckin GOAT of basketball content.
Yes he compares ppg and apg. Lazy video lazy criteria
The fact that Dennis Johnson is top 40 on here shows how criminally underrated he is... Alot of ppl don't even know who he is
Absolutely right. Sometimes it seems that people forget that defense is half the game.
The shot making category will soon make room for jokic
I appreciate that you still included some Pistol Pete footage. He partially played before the 3 point line but still sank bombs. He also helped invent showtime. I think hes undervalued.
If you know you know
Pistol Pete was incredible. Truly a once in a generation talent
Bro people don’t know about pistol Pete , the man could ball , lol I love how the underate this legend , people can’t differentiate between eras and how players would play in each era
Ernie fav player
@@jfrom214 I couldn't agree more people who go oh this guy couldn't shoot enough for this era or he wasn't strong or tough enough... like bro if they're an all time great they would have made it in any era. The best players would play to the strengths of that era and still be great in another era, it's likely they would just have a different game.
Two things I'd suggest to adapt:
1. Diferentiate 1st team selections from 2nd and 3rd team selections
2. Measure the percentage of seasons the player has played that resulted in selections. MJ and Chuck have the same amount of selections, but they're not in the same tier in that category.
all-time great players don’t make 2nd and 3rd teams
Trae young has accomplished more in his career so far than luka but his size eliminates his ability atm to get on the 1st team because of bias. So I think you have to add the 2nd and 3rd teams, or at least the 2nd teams. Also no dpoy list in the rankings? Also I think there should be points for at least the top 25 in each category since a lot of these players stats are super close to each other, 10th versus 15-20th usually isn’t going to be that huge of a difference.
@@MrBuggy865 The Hawks beat the 76ers last year in the playoff and the Hawks were -19 with Trae on the court.
What most missing is steals and blocks since the both an important part of the game but we all know it wouldnt change much for Mj since he is top 3 all time in steals per game and overall i think but for some other it would help their raking an a important steal or block at the right time can win you a game so its a shame its missing
@@MrBuggy865 What has Trae achieved that Luka hasnt?
Ahh the ECF?? Yah, against a stacked Clippers team vs Luka and his boys? Yahh thats why despite averaging a triple double and 35ppg in a 7game series still didnt help them win because Trae is better than Luka right?
I think this already needs to be updated because this season has been wild
1st things first ……. GREAT VIDEO
On your list some players played some, most or all of their careers before a couple of your categories came into existence & I only noticed you talking about ONE (the Finals MVP) of them …….
So as an older person compared to your general audience some of the older players did not get the maximum points they could have earned …….
But I ❤MOST of your content ……
PLEASE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Dirk definitely should have been top 5 impact. He changed the way Big Man play forever and had one of the toughest shots to defend in his arsenal. Everything else is on point
Also widely considered to be the best european player until now
@@lordrichardvantiltingen7109 until now? Who’s better all time?
@@lilfagalz1008 Luka could surpass him
@@lilfagalz1008 I think Luka may be capable of overtaking him and no one knows what other players are gonna comw in the future
Top 20 for sure
Adding in the drums and kicks when revealing that MJ is number 1 is one of the subtle reasons why Jxmy videos really be hittin on another level.
i know this one was recent (relatively) but do you think you could do an updated version of this vid? Obviously it seems like you had a lot to go through to gather the info so i wont bother you too much about it but it would be cool. I wanna see if steph moved into the top 10 and if kd stayed or got kicked out of it and where big homie from denver might be
Rondo being on the list instead of Dwight is crazy
I was just staring at Embiid above Wade the whole time lol
Fuck that they literally are trying to put KD ina top ten above Shaq and Larry at that.
Bro dwade is under russ james harden embiid fucking luka AI wtf lmao
@@jimbobfisher8904 KD pretty much is cheating, because he plays small forward/power forward and if you google the average heights its 6'5-6'10 for those two positions, KD stands next to DeMarcus (Boogie) Cousins who's listed at 6'11 and KD is slightly taller than him listed at "6'10". He's a good player though and is pretty agile for his height with great shooting capabilities/basketball IQ. However, SHAQ is great don't get me wrong. He had quite a few flaws in his game though such as hack a shaq. Is it shitty KD joined the warriors to win championships? yeah. Lebron did the same thing too. However I don't disagree with him being top 10. He's a very efficient player.
@@ryandiaz8512 This has to be a joke
CP3, Nash, Harden etc. above Pippen is also crazy and shows that the metrics Jimmy used are far from perfect. Scottie belongs in the top 20.
Giannis finna rock up to that top spot on all defensive selections.
Yeah prob every yr lmaooo
I think it would have made more sense to give every single player points for each metric. Top spot gets 110 points, bottom gets 1. I know it is a lot more work, but it would make for a more consistent list, and although may not have a major impact on rankings, could be the difference between Larry Bird making the top 10 or being 11th for example.
i like your concept of the shot making list but Ray Allen over Kyrie, if we talking bout creating shots Kyrie and AI were some of the best because they have to be at that size. love the content tho great breakdown!!!
Can’t wait to see Giannis moving up on these kind of lists, I love that man
Giannis is already number 1 on this list d13 1n 4 f1r3 unitary
Top 10 when it’s all said and done imo 🖐
@@cruzzz5738 if he continues at this pace there’s no doubt. The ONLY thing that can stop him is if he doesn’t have longevity, which doesn’t seem likely…
@@cruzzz5738 no doubt, giannis is themordern day shaq,he's deff going take over shaq sspot
Honestly his playoff run didn’t impress me at all
Luka Doncic is making some lists and he’s only been in the league for 3 years 🤯🤯
Right
Yup. His skills are that good👍🏾.
@@organizationalcoaches7072 not last night boss👍
@@yapops5167 indeed.
@@yapops5167 mavs have a slow start every season
I appreciate the amount of effort you put into making this list then systematically tearing it apart at the end. Poor Elgin should’ve been higher, but I’m not surprised, Baylor has sort of been lost to time. Statistics can help, but the other part that must be addressed regardless of the intention is context. Oh and I don’t have Michael as number one… I don’t enjoy the cult around him. There’s having an opinion, then there’s people trying to beat you down and make you see the same way they do. There’s plenty of room for contention.
“I understand Basketball’s a team game, and you’ve already made Michael number one, but if you had to have Wilt against Michael, my prime and his prime… How much money would you be willing to bet?” -Wilt Chamberlain
dont comment a lot but youre content never misses bro
Jimmy : no matter how you split it no one is necessarily wrong
also Jimmy : Well unless you have someone other than Michael Jordan at no 1 , then you're definitely wrong
😂😂
Throw it in the trash to
Lebron is no. 1
well thats just a no brainer
Truth really does hurt a certain group of people .
@@treycramer7940 he’s not
Jimmy is genuinely one of the few NBA heads that knows how to use numbers to make a point. He doesn't just throw them out with some oddly specific record like ESPN and most TV analysts.
Except his "numbers" include subjective "stats" that rise players that shouldn't be on the list like Tim Hardaway or Derrick Rose.
I mean this isn't statistically meaningful in any way
Unfortunately, I feel that Jimmy is just as guilty of this as those you mentioned. He often uses misleading charts with manipulated scales to make things look crazy when there isn't necessarily statistically significant going on. He is a good storyteller though. The videos are good entertainment, but not ideal in terms of stats analysis.
@@EricCKeys Also, he gave Bill Russell the most points for finals MVP because the award didn't exist yet, but didn't give any other player that played before the award existed any points at all. It's not fair to those players and an inconsistent application of the rule.
@@panner11 exactly. It's basically just subjective opinions transformed into a number.
"Kobe was too low when I tried to be objective so I made some shit up and put him at the top of those categories"
Whoever does these videos, you are the real mvp. Statistically speaking of course.
A couple flaws on this list, but mainly defensive impact. If you go on only all defense teams the list suggests Kobe is better than Hakeem, Ben Wallice, etc on the defensive side.
Kobe was just as good a wing defender as Hakeem and Wallace were interior defenders. Kobe was a clamper.
@@twoinch yes but then you’re putting a higher value on defensive teams as opposed to DPOYs
@@twoinch not really bro
Agreed. But also using win shares and saying it’s one of the best stats, and using accolades as well
@@twoinch pls dont even try to make a case for kobe being a better defender than Hakeem you are gonna look very silly
I'm surprised you didn't count DPoY. Personally, I'd value that as equal to or slightly above RS MVP. Also, why no steals or blocks?
I personally feel like he didn't do those because it wouldn't be fair. For someone like Hakeem being able to get points in those defensive stats for blocks, but for someone like kyrie not being able to get those points cause he isnt a defensive type of player.
@@noturavxragejo721 Isn't that the point? Everyone on this list has some defensive prowess great or small. Hakeem being an elite 2 way player deserves his credit. Kyrie being a mediocre defensive type of player should not be ignored.
@@yoyoyong211 bro do you watch Kyrie? He’s one of the best defensive guards in the league tf
I certainly wouldn't count DPOY or best scorer. Just like I wouldn't count MVPs.
Because there's no second, 2rd, 3rd, 4th... place.
One gets all the credit and others don't exist at all.
You could be the 2nd best defensive player for 10 years and have 10 different guys taking first place, overall you're definitely the best defensive player over these 10 years and get no points.
You could score 28 pts for 10 seasons and never be the best scorer.
Steals/blocks are heavily influenced by era and DPOY is no where near MVP, if you value DPOY like an MVP guys like Dwight are top 20
Kobe number 1 shot maker but Jordan is 13? Make it make sense
Ik... That was crazy! Makes No sense.
Mikan and Bird should be on the influence section. One was so impactful they had to change the rules and even helped create another rule after retiring, and another was one of the players that helped popularizing the NBA again after it started declining.
Also, Iverson is criminally low. For his size he was extraordinary, let's not forget Kobe's words.
The list is great considering that it is based on data but it doesnt make sense that Kobe is first on shot making and MJ 13th. Kobe literally learned from the man I would put Luka on that list also.
I mean, that's why basing purely on stats is wrong, some things can't be characterised
@@JJJameson. That category was made up by him lol no man in his right mind will put mj 13th in shot creating
@@rollo48 Exactly
@@JJJameson. But the category youre talking about is actually NOT based on the numbers but rather on subjective opinion.
Lets take a moment to appreciate the time, effort and dedication put into a 17 minute vid. Jimmy is a basketball genius and has my respect. Amazing what this guy does keep it up! Your doing great
Jimmy>Stephen.A
it’s a pretty bad list though
@@David-lf6rr Lol
@@ne9835 it just is. Dame has no business being on this list. Kobe way too high, mcgrady shouldn’t be on it, rodman way too high, rondo shouldn’t be on it
@@ne9835 and embiid being 46th is just straight up laughable
Very late to the party, but I think an interesting ranking to use would be a player who changed how the game is played, or even changed the rules. I would have to give first to Shaq because he broke backboards and changed how they were built. Other people that would be considered for changing how the NBA is played would be Steph and Klay, really pushing the change for more three pointers. I would also say that Tim Duncan and the spurs roster are also very important because more international players started to get drafted following their insane performances.
My favorite player made the cut I’ll take it and dope vid btw😂💪🏾