Re-Making My NBA G.O.A.T Pyramid

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  • @daultonredhaus6027
    @daultonredhaus6027 Před rokem +6895

    The way he said "The gap between LeBron and Jordan is smaller than the gap between LeBron and everyone else." really puts it into perspective how great they both are.

    • @jbailey690
      @jbailey690 Před rokem +111

      😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡

    • @sween3716
      @sween3716 Před rokem +594

      @@jbailey690 what’s funny about that?

    • @flightjam
      @flightjam Před rokem +152

      Kobe is in that convo with Jordan and LeBron

    • @jbailey690
      @jbailey690 Před rokem +66

      @Sween Majority of players say Kareem was better?? 🤷
      AI, TMac, Timmy, Shaq, Hakeem, Vince, MJ, Bird, Magic, Steph, KD, Dirk, Barkley, KG, Ray, Wade etc all take Kobe over Bron??
      What ISN'T funny about that nonsense??

    • @trainpushingtutorials2822
      @trainpushingtutorials2822 Před rokem +184

      @@flightjam jordan and mj 😭

  • @m4dm3th0d
    @m4dm3th0d Před rokem +14313

    This is definitely a list worth revisiting every 3-5 years

  • @BaoPham-bp2cg
    @BaoPham-bp2cg Před 10 měsíci +665

    Jokic will definitely be added here in the next pyramid update.

    • @shyjr3215
      @shyjr3215 Před 8 měsíci +40

      I would say he’s tier 4 for now after his championship run

    • @Anzarranza
      @Anzarranza Před 6 měsíci +14

      Giannis and jokic will be in tier 3 in the next one or two updates

    • @traytyler9951
      @traytyler9951 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Anzarranzanot tier 3 yet tier 4

    • @filipgaier4908
      @filipgaier4908 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@traytyler9951 definitely tier 3 at this point, if the next update is in 2 years from now, tier 3 isn't even a hot take

    • @FordKids
      @FordKids Před 2 měsíci

      That was a month a few months ago before all this happens not present day remember that

  • @matthewcdupre
    @matthewcdupre Před 11 měsíci +839

    Might have to add Jokic to the list after this last playoff run and recent Championship 🏆 dude was unreal

    • @sonny4978
      @sonny4978 Před 10 měsíci +71

      i think jokic over kawhi. 2 mvps, and his playoff run was more impressive than toronto. Also he had no all stars like kawhi did with the spurs.

    • @BroOk-mh4do
      @BroOk-mh4do Před 9 měsíci

      We'll see what else he can do in the next couple of years...But Jokic definitely deserves to be in the pyramid.

    • @-waqsa
      @-waqsa Před 8 měsíci +13

      @@sonny4978that’s wild tbh. maybe after another ring and if he stays as consistent as he is, he prob will overtake kawhi, but for now he just doesn’t have as much longevity as kawhi.

    • @dr.kingmessanger1196
      @dr.kingmessanger1196 Před 7 měsíci

      Cut the jokes man. Joker getting catapult to the upper echelon of all time great is based off what. One year. The dude took 4 years to make a real impact in his career. He only became all star caliber for the last 5 years.
      Let wait for the next 3 to 5 years to unfold before we have this discussion. Not given the soft rules, handcuffing defense, analytics basketball era. Give great assistance to good offensive players today. He not only need to match Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem,Bird resume but blow them out the waters. Considerig the advantages he has

    • @AgentZeroO
      @AgentZeroO Před 7 měsíci +5

      Jokic is top 20 already

  • @ewbait
    @ewbait Před rokem +3089

    Honestly, I didn't realize how high I was on Giannis until you showed me the stats in retrospect. Giannis having this much offensive and defensive pressure and efficiency in this era is insane to think about. Rightfully deserved!

    • @l9ikjam
      @l9ikjam Před rokem +12

      His defense is overrated

    • @user-lt1zz3zi4m
      @user-lt1zz3zi4m Před rokem +256

      @@l9ikjam ur one of those people who love to argue because you like disagreement😂😂😂. He is a great defender, because he is hard to shoot over and is a great help defender

    • @judyclarkson5887
      @judyclarkson5887 Před rokem +17

      @@user-lt1zz3zi4m Lol.. He's not wrong. Top tier defensive player would've tried to guard Kd especially when he's the only star left on the opponent team. Giannis let Tucker to guard him even on the last possession that would've cost his team a series against an injury-depleted Nets team. Glad that the Lady Luck was upon him that night that Kd happened not to hit a 3 or else it would be a downright embarrassment for Giannis to lose that series.

    • @user-lt1zz3zi4m
      @user-lt1zz3zi4m Před rokem +121

      @@judyclarkson5887 everyone keeps saying that if Kd had kyrie and healthy harden he would beat giannis …. If you switched teams and gave Gianni’s a healthy harden and Kyrie he would’ve won as well. Also Giannis didn’t want to tire out offensively, that’s why he didn’t guard Kd. This worked obviously because he dropped 40 points in a game 7

    • @CeIles
      @CeIles Před rokem +108

      @@judyclarkson5887 you wanted Giannis to guard one of the most offensively talented player of all time while also running the entire offense at the same time? Brother, not even MJ did that

  • @thecoolwaffle4908
    @thecoolwaffle4908 Před rokem +2160

    You make some of the most well written, researched, and edited content on CZcams. Consistently Top-Tier content, I look forward to every video you drop

    • @ghoull_
      @ghoull_ Před rokem +9

      nah fr

    • @HelloHowsItGoin09
      @HelloHowsItGoin09 Před rokem +9

      Never lacks its crazy

    • @paulh.9937
      @paulh.9937 Před rokem +27

      @@HelloHowsItGoin09 the man's editing is some of the best I've ever seen on a basketball channel. Jimmy is the 🐐

    • @IamRonaldBell
      @IamRonaldBell Před rokem +1

      Nah frfr, you can always tell by the opening lines it’s gone be a great video off the dribble

    • @PIP...33
      @PIP...33 Před rokem +3

      @@paulh.9937 NAAAH HE BIASED AND JUST REPEATING WHAT MEDIA TOLD HIM. HE DOESNT KNOW SPORT. ANYONE WHO NOT PUT WILT NUMBER 1 AND OLAJUWON NUMBER 2 IS BLIND.

  • @zackk8056
    @zackk8056 Před 11 měsíci +196

    I'd love to see a G.O.A.T Pyramid for those who never won a chip. Would make for some interesting debates. I think peak McGrady is highly underrated from that perspective.

    • @Zach-eb6zk
      @Zach-eb6zk Před 6 měsíci +9

      For me based on eye test and pure skill, prime D Rose was the greatest player to not win a chip.

    • @ezxdray-jq3mh
      @ezxdray-jq3mh Před 6 měsíci +1

      John Stockton

    • @orod4788
      @orod4788 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Steve Nash babyyyy let’s goooo

    • @matheusfroehlich5727
      @matheusfroehlich5727 Před 6 měsíci +4

      ​@@Zach-eb6zknah harden, malone, iverson, hell even barkley had an better peak than drose (not to mention that a 4 year prime is pathetically sort)

    • @morrisparrish76
      @morrisparrish76 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Teams win “a chip”; not a player!
      You might want to keep that in mind!

  • @Mattball82
    @Mattball82 Před 11 měsíci +185

    Watching this during the Finals where Jokic has 10 triple doubles in the playoffs and just went 32 21 and 10 💪

  • @kevinsyz1201
    @kevinsyz1201 Před rokem +728

    i love seeing dirk being moved up. definitely an extremely underated player

    • @kofiowusu1273
      @kofiowusu1273 Před rokem +40

      Yeah he’s underrated but wade is definitely better

    • @Snipezelite02
      @Snipezelite02 Před rokem +15

      I feel like Wade is definitely better but he does value peak alot

    • @andreasdietzel5560
      @andreasdietzel5560 Před rokem +9

      Especially when you factor in his loyalty and not chasing superteams like almost everybody else.

    • @xdadaxx1040
      @xdadaxx1040 Před rokem +14

      Dirk is a top 3 PF of all time

    • @CollinMann04
      @CollinMann04 Před rokem +10

      @@kofiowusu1273 nah lmao he’s not

  • @Arrica101
    @Arrica101 Před rokem +2084

    Luka and Jokic definitely making this list next time it's looked at. How can they not

    • @brandonbrisson4455
      @brandonbrisson4455 Před rokem +5

      Yup

    • @KurinKato1
      @KurinKato1 Před rokem +22

      Accolades

    • @biigasian
      @biigasian Před rokem +71

      Just give Luka time, he has a decade to perform

    • @chev5451
      @chev5451 Před rokem +131

      @@KurinKato1 2021 mvp, 2022mvp? what are these if not accolades

    • @GoofyGeee
      @GoofyGeee Před rokem +3

      I feel like all time russ is better than Jokic all time

  • @sesimie
    @sesimie Před rokem +973

    I respect this pyramid. The only player I have issues with being too low is Tim Duncan.

    • @williammyers2190
      @williammyers2190 Před 11 měsíci +134

      Completely agree. Seriously putting him in tier 3 is crazy. Tier 2 is more correct

    • @dro2drippy781
      @dro2drippy781 Před 11 měsíci +92

      I swear his career accolades and accomplishments are nearly identical to Kobe

    • @samcremin1486
      @samcremin1486 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Eh, I feel like Hakeem and Shaq are better tbh and when you actually look at it him and KG did similar stuff at similar levels on the court for a long time so having them 2 tiers apart is just criminal.

    • @dro2drippy781
      @dro2drippy781 Před 11 měsíci +45

      @@samcremin1486 Timmy has 5 rings 😂 Hakeem only won cause Jordan retired for 2 years if we’re being honest . Shaq never won shit without another superstar on his team

    • @samcremin1486
      @samcremin1486 Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@dro2drippy781Hakeem had worse teammates and Duncan never won in a year he had to deal with a dynasty either, in the 94 and 95 seasons he didn’t have a teammate selected for the all star game.
      If we actually break down their games Hakeem is a comparable if not better rim protector, much better perimeter defender, is a better post scorer and a similar passer. Duncan’s only advantage is his pretty significantly better longevity so if you value that highly then he has a decent argument but he’s not a full tier above Hakeem.
      Shaq was the better player during the three peat and he undoubtedly peaked higher, in my eyes it just didn’t work out for him in other years but he was probably the best in the world for most of his career.

  • @ballsballsballs3617
    @ballsballsballs3617 Před 5 měsíci +27

    Mad respect for kawhi being in it. If u look at numbers he has no case. But if u watched kawhi play u would know he was the only guy in the Lebron era that genuinely felt comparable in terms of changing an entire teams hope

  • @slackerofhell
    @slackerofhell Před rokem +507

    I swear you're one of very few people that can make a tier list without being attacked on where you put them.

    • @yeatdagoat173
      @yeatdagoat173 Před rokem +30

      Cuz he's very rational

    • @bigsleepy9889
      @bigsleepy9889 Před rokem +51

      Naw bro. This list was garbage as soon as I didn't see the real G.O.A.T on it.... Austin Reaves

    • @csanadhorvath
      @csanadhorvath Před rokem +21

      Durant on tier 3 is insane, he won rings with the greatest team ever, that won without him. Durant is on a tier with Malone and Stockton, very good player, defo top 30 of all time, but won no legit rings as far as legit rings go unfortunately.

    • @evergreatest1170
      @evergreatest1170 Před rokem +3

      Idk man I wouldn’t put kawhi in the pyramid at all and like the guy said above KD is way too high as well

    • @csanadhorvath
      @csanadhorvath Před rokem +5

      Also Duncan not being on tier 2 is basketball blasphemy...

  • @blakelevario6732
    @blakelevario6732 Před rokem +623

    luka definitely going to be on this in a few years. dude is a monster

    • @swake0312
      @swake0312 Před rokem +22

      nah he will have a james harden esque career if he doesnt fix that ego

    • @ajako19
      @ajako19 Před rokem +87

      @@swake0312 lol wtf? yall just hating lol. luka is going to be an all time great.

    • @solsburyhill
      @solsburyhill Před rokem +15

      @@swake0312 if you saw how bad his team is… you would know that he’s too generous to them

    • @izzy031096
      @izzy031096 Před rokem +14

      @@ajako19 Lol everybody has just seen that stupid Harden comparison and goes around parroting it. Don’t worry about people speaking this nonsense, Luka is a bonafide superstar and will win multiple rings.

    • @cjtrules1
      @cjtrules1 Před rokem +7

      @@izzy031096 Mavs better get their shit together then or Luka will leave to a better team. Top 30 is already crowded as we can all see. Only 9 guys up there won 1 ring or none at all so Luka will definitely need at least 2 to even be considered.

  • @spurslegacy
    @spurslegacy Před 11 měsíci +301

    Man Tim Duncan…underrated by the masses. Has a near identical resume to Kobe yet constantly ranks multiple spots lower. There aren’t 9 players “GREATER” than him all time.

    • @jan279
      @jan279 Před 11 měsíci +36

      So true, and I think that's because he wasn't as marketable as the other dudes. Spurs were the most consistent winning team in the league throughout Duncan's career.

    • @KFire
      @KFire Před 11 měsíci +11

      Agreed, he should definitely be in tier 2

    • @spurslegacy
      @spurslegacy Před 11 měsíci +18

      @@jan279 yup exactly. Flash and self promotion influence people’s opinions on the production for some reason.

    • @spurslegacy
      @spurslegacy Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@KFire facts

    • @samcremin1486
      @samcremin1486 Před 11 měsíci +4

      KG even more underrated, comparable to Duncan in nearly every aspect but he had terrible teammates and bad injury luck so he doesn’t even make top 10 on most lists and top 20 on some.

  • @frewtlewps1152
    @frewtlewps1152 Před 21 dnem +7

    Tier 1 - The GOAT: Michael Jordan
    Tier 2 - Leaders of the Record Books: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, LeBron James, Wilt Chamberlain, and Bill Russell
    Tier 3 - Best of their Era: Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, and Stephen Curry
    Tier 4 - Decade Defining Players: Hakeem Olajuwon, Oscar Robertson, Kevin Durant, Julius Erving, Nikola Jokic, Moses Malone, Kevin Garnett, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Dirk Nowitzki
    Tier 5 - All Time Greats: Jerry West, Isiah Thomas, Dwayne Wade, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Elgin Baylor, Charles Barkley, John Havlicek, Kawhi Leonard, and Scottie Pippen

  • @sirscribble3182
    @sirscribble3182 Před rokem +424

    So glad to see Jxmmy give Dr. J his flowers. He gets overlooked a lot because he played in the 70’s and early 80’s.

    • @Tethloach1
      @Tethloach1 Před rokem +2

      someone will always get overlooked.

    • @SalKhayer
      @SalKhayer Před rokem +4

      Also, ABA records are not valued enough in the majority of these lists. Jxmy does a great job getting it put in perspective

  • @alexutzuRTA94
    @alexutzuRTA94 Před rokem +409

    Glad you showed Moses some love. That tier 5 placement was really sticking out

    • @Major.321
      @Major.321 Před rokem +1

      Freal he’s top 10 on score board

    • @kleatise52
      @kleatise52 Před rokem +5

      Most underrated in history.

    • @javigar133
      @javigar133 Před rokem

      Torallt agree

    • @buzz2k535
      @buzz2k535 Před rokem +1

      One of the best rebounder and he got small hands i think his hand size are just as big as a 5'9 man and he's 6'10. Truly one of the greatest bigman!

    • @StFigarlandGarling
      @StFigarlandGarling Před rokem +2

      #10 all time in scoring
      #5 all time in rebounding
      3 MVPs
      Finals MVP
      How was he only in tier 5 until now.

  • @Yomi4220
    @Yomi4220 Před 11 měsíci +81

    Duncan not in tier two is wild lmao

    • @Jiturra01
      @Jiturra01 Před 11 měsíci +21

      Honestly its more like Kobe shouldn't be over Duncan, whatever tier. It's so odd, and the first thing I notice. People seem to be waking up to this recently..... not getting taken well by the LAL Fans and the casuals understandably.

    • @qiaoji1675
      @qiaoji1675 Před 8 měsíci +1

      him and b russ should be switched

    • @froyocrew
      @froyocrew Před 3 měsíci +3

      Kobe is the single most overrated player of all time

  • @E3N8013
    @E3N8013 Před měsícem +2

    Thats to show you how great MJ is,bro played against 9players who are in the GOAT conversation from the same era and dominated all of them and the 90's.
    MJ is definitely the GOAT on court💯

  • @multimus133
    @multimus133 Před rokem +290

    At first I was confused when DWade was demoted, trying desperately to remember any shooting guards better, as I always had Jordan 1, Kobe 2, and Wade 3, then I saw that there were only three shooting guards on the list and it all made sense.

    • @randomperson2540
      @randomperson2540 Před rokem +36

      Still though wade shouldn't be demoted, other than longevity which he just said he appreciated peek more, there no reason to have dirk Over wade.
      If the majority of people really believe dirk is better than wade, dirk is officially overrated

    • @xenonite2172
      @xenonite2172 Před rokem +10

      @@randomperson2540 I mean dirk lead his team to better post season success than wade did as a first option. Remember wade never came out of the first round after the 2006 finals.
      Add on to the fact that the 2000's western conf. Is probably the hardest conf. In nba history and that's why you'd pick dirk over wade

    • @nbassasin8092
      @nbassasin8092 Před rokem +1

      Theres AI as well so 4, but the rest I absolutely agree with

    • @Snipezelite02
      @Snipezelite02 Před rokem +1

      @@nbassasin8092 AI didn't make it he was just a mention

    • @randomperson2540
      @randomperson2540 Před rokem +9

      @@xenonite2172 but dirk had a way better team than wade, after 06 Shaq would suffer an injury and after that would leave.
      There was nobody on that roster other than wade he honestly had one the worse rosters in the league.
      People don't talk about how dirk won 67 games and got swept jn the first round and played horrible and would never make a western finals until 2011.
      Dirk was saved by his 2011, which even in that finals wade out performed him

  • @SilencedButNotForgotten
    @SilencedButNotForgotten Před rokem +631

    Dirk is so underrated, thanks for showing him love.

  • @kaki2053
    @kaki2053 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Ain't no way Durant in the same tier as Shaq and Timmy 😂

    • @jaycob1830
      @jaycob1830 Před dnem +1

      It should be Dr J in that tier, not Durant

  • @ThePharcyde13
    @ThePharcyde13 Před 11 měsíci +52

    Duncan is tier 2 , him and Kobe had similar careers and he’s on 3 while Kobe stays in 2 . They definitely both left their mark . Duncan deserves a little more love . Magic could be a little lower too imo

    • @ben.tanner
      @ben.tanner Před 11 měsíci +24

      Agree. Kobe definitely overrated compared to Duncan and others. Kobe benefited more from great teammates (Shaq in particular) than a lot of the guys in the pyramid.

    • @MarkHalberstram
      @MarkHalberstram Před 10 měsíci +1

      Swap Kobe and Timmy

    • @MotoM1234
      @MotoM1234 Před 7 měsíci

      Agree that Kobe is overrated but then when you hear the respect that other NBA players have for him even before he died makes me think I’m wrong…. Would have Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan over Kobe….

  • @Peekul1
    @Peekul1 Před rokem +433

    Giannis is all time great. No one can take that finals performance away from him. The best of the best.

    • @mikeoath9541
      @mikeoath9541 Před rokem +66

      In a couple years he will be best PF of all time, but so far Tim Duncan is the GOAT of the PFs imo.

    • @PIP...33
      @PIP...33 Před rokem

      @@mikeoath9541 LUIS SCOLA >>> DUNCAN. FACTS ARE FACTS. U CANT SPEAK HERE TILL DUNCAN WIN AGAINST SCOLA

    • @yuhhh2593
      @yuhhh2593 Před rokem +6

      @@mikeoath9541 for sure timmy d is the goat rn

    • @MichaelM-yf5or
      @MichaelM-yf5or Před rokem +4

      hell end up tier 2 at least when its all said and done

    • @yuhhh2593
      @yuhhh2593 Před rokem +5

      @@MichaelM-yf5or maybe. I’d say more likely he’ll end up top 10

  • @joaopedroramos4015
    @joaopedroramos4015 Před rokem +893

    can’t wait to see luka cracking this list from the ground up

    • @javigar133
      @javigar133 Před rokem +39

      Well, he has a lot of road to travel lol

    • @kylemathis1562
      @kylemathis1562 Před rokem +65

      At the end of this season
      Doncic:
      4x NBA All Star
      4x NBA First Team
      Now he just needs MVPs, FMVPs, Defensive Team appearances

    • @equilibrium_69
      @equilibrium_69 Před rokem +68

      Only misfortune can detract Luka from his path to basketball greatness. The man is a potential top 10 player all time.

    • @AnkitSharma-qm7sg
      @AnkitSharma-qm7sg Před rokem +3

      @@kylemathis1562 chips

    • @YaThat.
      @YaThat. Před rokem +3

      @@kylemathis1562 atleast 6 all nba and all star selections, atleast 1 chip, then we can consider it.

  • @reaurt
    @reaurt Před 10 měsíci +9

    Great list. I could quibble with a few placements here and there, but no major complaints. Jokic is 100% going on the list in your next update, that guy is special.

  • @elitefrags
    @elitefrags Před 11 měsíci +5

    lord knows if westbrook won a couple rings he’d be on here. the triple double king needs some love

  • @nhs8984
    @nhs8984 Před rokem +773

    I have a good feeling when we revisit this next time, Giannis will be in tier 2-3 and Doncic will be in tier 4-5

    • @tine0508
      @tine0508 Před rokem +10

      nah Giannis is just a bit high now. tier 3 3 max. even if he wins another championship. thats my opinion and i get where u are coming from

    • @adriannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
      @adriannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Před rokem

      @@tine0508 your opinion is ass

    • @tyyy4681
      @tyyy4681 Před rokem +36

      @@tine0508 how? A 2x mvp, DPOY, one of the greatest finals performances ever to win a chip in a team that never had a chance without him. And by the way, he didn’t run away to a super team.

    • @its_maui_bro0457
      @its_maui_bro0457 Před rokem +1

      @@tyyy4681 curry and durant only had a super team if u talking bout bron ur out of it my bro

    • @connor3885
      @connor3885 Před rokem +12

      @@tine0508 Giannis could win mvp and dpoy every year. And bucks are looking like top 3 team in the league. 5 years from now he’s gonna have more rings and mvps and dpoy

  • @KDemosh
    @KDemosh Před rokem +597

    Do a pyramid for each position! This was such a cool breakdown!

    • @javigar133
      @javigar133 Před rokem +16

      That would be an interest rework, also by decades

    • @theofficialfskay
      @theofficialfskay Před rokem +2

      10:41

    • @Mrsewercat
      @Mrsewercat Před rokem +8

      @@theofficialfskay you must feel so smart he meant each position of all time...

    • @samheard7849
      @samheard7849 Před rokem +2

      That SF pyramid is gonna go crazy

    • @KDemosh
      @KDemosh Před rokem

      @TheOfficialFSKay yes! That but a whole 30 player pyramid of all PG SG PF C and so on! I love this stuff!

  • @Fredkt17
    @Fredkt17 Před rokem +11

    Dominique Wilkins should have gotten an honorable mention. The man had some of the greatest duels with Jordan and Bird (Tier 1 and 2)

  • @Rauhmones
    @Rauhmones Před rokem +16

    Isaiah Thomas is so underrated. He was crushed between Magic and Bird's Era and Michael's Era and still beat all of them. Fast and ruthless, he changed the game and shaped the 90's.

    • @lumpy9964
      @lumpy9964 Před 9 měsíci

      THANK YOU!! Finally someone says it. Isaiah definitely deserves more love AMEN.

    • @homerl7
      @homerl7 Před 3 měsíci

      But was he a better player than those guys? Not in my book. One of the all time greats, top 50 for sure.

  • @T_Law92
    @T_Law92 Před rokem +263

    Solid justification to the changes, Jimmy. The only thing that hurts is seeing AI taken off the pyramid, but it's purely subjective. I don't disagree, the man's just got so much heart! Also, I agree that Luka and Jokic will rightfully earn their spots in no time.

    • @t3sh3r35
      @t3sh3r35 Před rokem +13

      yeah he shouldve kept ai and left kawhi out imo

    • @T_Law92
      @T_Law92 Před rokem

      @@t3sh3r35 I thought the same thing based on personal preference. However, statistically speaking I'm not as much of a guru as Jimmy to know if it's truly a reasonable tradeoff.

    • @all-caps3927
      @all-caps3927 Před rokem +3

      Ye I was shocked to see Allen leave the list, it doesn't seem right to say he isnt top 30 of all time. I think a certain spurs player should be dropped 👀

    • @dicap9946
      @dicap9946 Před rokem +3

      @@t3sh3r35 Kawhi is one of the most clutch players of all time! There’s a reason why he’s a 2 time champion. He plays both ends of the floor and teams cannot stop him most of the time. He has one of the highest win rates come playoffs

    • @OludayoKolawole
      @OludayoKolawole Před rokem +7

      There’s no way AI is above Kawhi on an all-time list

  • @Iamcel94
    @Iamcel94 Před rokem +306

    There is always one or two content creators in every category on CZcams that release infrequent but high quality videos and you are definitely one of those. I wish more creators would take after you and I think you should take a lot of pride in the videos you do, and I hope you inspire more creators to be like you in the future.

    • @blacklite911
      @blacklite911 Před rokem +5

      I love those types. Unfortunately the algorithm encourages quantity more but when you grow the fan base, you shoot to the top when you release

    • @Crying2Death
      @Crying2Death Před rokem +4

      Thinking basketball is amazing too! They’re the top 2 imo

    • @pinobluevogel6458
      @pinobluevogel6458 Před rokem

      @@Crying2Death Most definitely one of the best out there. His insights are very complete and nuanced and the podcast is legit great too.

    • @redteddy135
      @redteddy135 Před rokem

      oversimplified tho... disappears for 6 to 12 months and then releases a chart topping video

  • @poppette1978
    @poppette1978 Před 15 dny +5

    putting LeBron beside Jordan is an insult to NBA integrity and integrity of athletes as a whole. Doesn't matter the figures and statistics, how can a flopping cry baby drama queen be a GOAT in any sports? PLEASE

  • @KillToSurvive35
    @KillToSurvive35 Před 11 měsíci +22

    Undervaluing 5 time NBA champ, and best power forward of all time, Tim Duncan

  • @mkm297
    @mkm297 Před rokem +141

    I feel like doncic is going to crack this list soon. What he is doing in the regular season and playoffs is out of this world at such a young age

    • @mikeoath9541
      @mikeoath9541 Před rokem +27

      Aside from All NBA 1st team selections he just doesn't have the accolades yet unfortunately. He will probably retire as tier 1 though. Potentially, we never know for sure.

    • @DeeReeseBeats
      @DeeReeseBeats Před rokem

      @@mikeoath9541 Yeah he's only in his 5th season
      I can see him getting at least 1 ring
      3 or 4 at most imo

    • @BIuezy
      @BIuezy Před rokem +29

      @@mikeoath9541 Tier one is a wild statement, more like 2-3

    • @ryuzaki4146
      @ryuzaki4146 Před rokem +5

      he needs to accomplish more but he definitely has the potential to

    • @jadentesai
      @jadentesai Před rokem +2

      Hes gonna need at least 2 mvps and a championship if he wants to be on here

  • @Rei-bg3rf
    @Rei-bg3rf Před rokem +506

    I think Steph will be a high tier 2 when it's all said and done. Decent tier ngl

    • @ninjasaki_7231
      @ninjasaki_7231 Před rokem +103

      Tbh I rank him over bird and in the video Jimmy made, he had Steph over bird in the top 10 list so his placement is a bit odd

    • @threeteeflee
      @threeteeflee Před rokem +16

      I'm not a Steph/Warriors fan but I agree.

    • @ariaarulasan
      @ariaarulasan Před rokem

      TIER 1, BETTER THAN THE PSYCHOPATH

    • @judyclarkson5887
      @judyclarkson5887 Před rokem +14

      He'll be top 5 all-time when it's all said n done I believe. But let's just wait n see I guess

    • @jacobduncan9593
      @jacobduncan9593 Před rokem

      @@ninjasaki_7231 He was either making a point to say that Steph is a top 10 player all time or he was just exaggerating.

  • @abrahamchavez7134
    @abrahamchavez7134 Před rokem

    I just found your channel today and I’m hooked!!! Your videos are goat status.

  • @bobyd.c.x8028
    @bobyd.c.x8028 Před 11 měsíci

    You re in the running for GOAT 🐐 of NBA statistics!!!! Love your work man!! You re amazing!

  • @NathanJHaug
    @NathanJHaug Před rokem +1676

    I can’t wait until luka is on here. Still a few years out but he has had one of those meteoric starts to a career

    • @noahpagel2823
      @noahpagel2823 Před rokem +59

      @Nathan J Haug this vid was made before Luka’s performance against NYK. I bet he’d at least be in consideration now after that game alone. After all he’s done already, being the only 60-20-10 player in history, and everything he still has to offer, I could see Luka making this list in 3 years.

    • @philwilson609
      @philwilson609 Před rokem +23

      Contemporary players are vastly superior than those from the past due to three factors: Internationalism, skill advancement and tactical sophistication. My pyramid would have Steph on tier one - he is the greatest player on the greatest dynasty of the most competitive era. On tier two you have LeBron, KD and Kawhi. Luka is on tier three and rising. One can build an epic collection of NBA greats among active players only.

    • @guabagotjuice
      @guabagotjuice Před rokem +30

      @@philwilson609 kawhi over bill russell wilt kareem nd shaq is INSANE 😭

    • @jackstone2176
      @jackstone2176 Před rokem +22

      Luka fanboys are straight up delusional. He's been in the league 5 seasons . no way is he better than any of these players.

    • @chilldoc9638
      @chilldoc9638 Před rokem

      @English k

  • @c.s.4505
    @c.s.4505 Před rokem +453

    Great content as always, Jimmy. Seeing Iverson removed from the pyramid hurt inside. Too many greats in the top 50 now, basketball is aging in a great way. RIP Mamba.

    • @gangstagummybear3432
      @gangstagummybear3432 Před rokem +1

      You have no need to take this guy's list seriously, it is irrelevant.

    • @c.s.4505
      @c.s.4505 Před rokem +1

      @@gangstagummybear3432 You must be fun at parties

  • @jayjempson5817
    @jayjempson5817 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Your abilities to craft these videos are astounding! I applaud your attention to editing and narration. You're worth more than 2.39 subs and should be considered tier 1 youtuber.

  • @milktea2422
    @milktea2422 Před 11 měsíci +8

    As others mentioned, i think this should be revisited every so often. I think every 3-4 years is a good choice. -I mean just look at how Giannis, and Jokic broke out to become two Great players.
    Kawhi had a legacy defining run a year after he made this list. Not much besides a potential break out star really happens each year. -but in 3-4 years maybe a new dynasty was formed after one fell, a new dominant player has come out and started putting up amazing numbers. So yeah I think every 3-4 years is perfect. 10 years is way too long. A whole dynasty will have come up and fallen in that time, maybe even 2 dynasties.

  • @eddyfazly
    @eddyfazly Před rokem +210

    It's hard to argue with the list when Jxmy presented the stats and information too well.

  • @andrewhous10
    @andrewhous10 Před rokem +102

    I’d put Tim duncan on tier 2. Not the flashiest career but I think he’s one of the most valuable players of all time. Manu and tony aren’t hall of famers without him. A career that I wish I could’ve enjoyed more.

    • @neandertalero
      @neandertalero Před rokem +11

      Couldn’t agree more. IMHO, Duncan was most dominant than Kobe. IMHO only surpassed in terms of dominance by Russell, MJ and maybe Magic

    • @hardwoodthought1213
      @hardwoodthought1213 Před rokem +4

      @@neandertalero And LBJ but yeah only 4 dudes I’d say have achieved more than Duncan

    • @herrerasauro7429
      @herrerasauro7429 Před rokem +2

      @@neandertalero Yeah, I agree.
      Out of all these players, maybe only Russell was as good as a leader of men as Tim Duncan while also having dominance unlocked from the first minute he stepped on the league up until the end, only a few other players achieved that, probably only Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Doctor J, MJ, Lebron, Magic and Robertson.

    • @marci-anna7101
      @marci-anna7101 Před rokem +3

      That's my one problem with the list, I'd switch Kobe and Tim or have em both tier 3, and not sure if I would have Jokic or Kawhi I gotta sit on that one.

    • @marci-anna7101
      @marci-anna7101 Před rokem

      @@neandertalero If we talking dominance, then Shaq, Wilt and Lebron, but in terms of accolades it's Lebron, MJ, Kareem, Bill and like you said maybe Magic. I'd also put Wilt here if he had 3 rings instead of 2, but that is not that case.

  • @marianocrosetti5889
    @marianocrosetti5889 Před měsícem +2

    There are some high quality content videos comparing Lebron and Jordan for the GOAT and they clearly show MJ is by far. I recommend them.

  • @robinrybar7200
    @robinrybar7200 Před 12 dny +1

    Man russ is just so underrated, yea his individuality was not made for playoffs but his regular season stats in his prime years, man he averaged a freakin tripledouble like for 5 years

  • @-paul
    @-paul Před rokem +381

    I just love how MJ gets the goat spot without the need for any extra information that other players seem to require to justify their positions on the pyramid.

    • @dmjdebruin
      @dmjdebruin Před rokem +2

      LeBron get this T1 spot without any extra information other then he is talked about most on social media by fanboys after proclaiming himself the goat.
      But if you want an extensive comparison between the two explaining also why jordan is the goat look at below video.
      czcams.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/video.html

    • @Vlad_32
      @Vlad_32 Před rokem +29

      I think that is a problem tbh 🤨

    • @Tonm077
      @Tonm077 Před rokem +61

      Information already presented in the original list and num has changed to touch him so

    • @pigs6486
      @pigs6486 Před rokem +43

      @@Vlad_32 then your brain doesn't work

    • @fbistatmajor5918
      @fbistatmajor5918 Před rokem +15

      @@pigs6486 Kareem is better than MJ he just didn't bring flair to the game and market it as well which is why he's overlooked so much

  • @mruberlicious2853
    @mruberlicious2853 Před rokem +148

    As a long time bucks fan it makes me so proud to see Giannis up there with the greats

    • @gabrieldodds9081
      @gabrieldodds9081 Před rokem +1

      i'd put him in tier 3

    • @nanashi7779
      @nanashi7779 Před rokem +4

      @@gabrieldodds9081 As someone who loves Giannis, not yet. But mark my words, he'll get there by the end of his career, tier 3 at least.

    • @javigar133
      @javigar133 Před rokem +2

      And well deserved! He is knockong on the Next tier as we speak

  • @R3tr0Burd
    @R3tr0Burd Před 11 měsíci +2

    Tim Duncan stay gettin disrespected. He's arguably in the goat conversation, and people still won't give him his props.

  • @playnatethegreat
    @playnatethegreat Před 2 měsíci +2

    Wemby makes it to the pyramid very soon.
    In 5 years the NBA world and history will be totally changed.

  • @RizkyRick
    @RizkyRick Před rokem +658

    Giannis has potential to break in to that Tier 1 and i no doubt expect to see Doncic in the pyramid next time

    • @ogi618
      @ogi618 Před rokem +21

      i mean maybe jordans first championship along with his 2nd mvp and fmvp was at 28 giannis has done the same+dpoy abd the bucks r a contender

    • @futurehofer1564
      @futurehofer1564 Před rokem +1

      you mean Zion

    • @bullykojima3232
      @bullykojima3232 Před rokem +8

      @@futurehofer1564 if he stays healthy . But its hard to consider zion>giannis due to their defense .

    • @soysauce4223
      @soysauce4223 Před rokem +8

      @@futurehofer1564 Zion hasn't proven anything yet. lol

    • @syfj.
      @syfj. Před rokem +2

      @@futurehofer1564 zion kinda mid rn

  • @wickedd8691
    @wickedd8691 Před rokem +595

    The fact that Giannis accomplished what he did in such a short time is absolutely insane

    • @hamidrezaei3862
      @hamidrezaei3862 Před rokem +32

      and he just keeps getting better every year, it's crazy...

    • @markbeebe125
      @markbeebe125 Před rokem +11

      One title and 2 MVPs by age 30. Hmmmm. Why don't we check in with Kareem, magic, larry, Jordan, Tim duncan, Moses Malone, I can keep going all day if you'd like. I think there might be a little bit of a recency bias here on this. I am not at all denying the greatness of giannis. I think he is absolutely phenomenal. However I think we're over hyping him a tiny bit and forgetting our NBA history. I think by the time all is said and done, there's a good chance that he'll be in the top 10 of all time. But as it stands right now, one title and two MVPs, defensive player of the year, by age 28 or 29, isn't enough to make him stand out from the rest of that crowd. But at the same time it puts him in some absolutely incredible company. But I don't think we should be gobsmacked at what he's accomplished when tons of other players have done it before him.

    • @xeonbladev18
      @xeonbladev18 Před rokem +38

      @@markbeebe125 he just turned 28 and you checked on age 30😂😂. Just proves how crazy he is. At 27 no one accomplished more than him in the league ever other than maybe magic or Tim, Kareem. Name me players by age 27 that won a ring, fmvp, 2mvps and a DPOY which you seemed to disregard. Keep hating tho casual.

    • @markbeebe125
      @markbeebe125 Před rokem +1

      @@xeonbladev18 reading is fundamental buddy, maybe you should learn how to do it. And this writing thing, not exactly a strong suit of yours either. Your first sentence doesn't even make any sense, literally no sense at all. I know we live in the age where children like you have forgotten how to answer telephones and be polite and use grammar and functional life skills like that, you should try it sometime, it will make everything a lot better and a lot easier.
      You missed some pretty simple things, that were right there in front of you so you obviously just skipped over them or haven't learned how to read yet: "by age 28 or 29"....."before age 30". These are THINGS THAT ARE TRUE, Alex, for $400.
      You asked me to name people, even though I already had. And will again, check in with Bill russell, check in with Tim duncan, check in with kareem, check in with magic, check in with Larry, and yes the dpoy wasn't even a thing when some of these guys were doing it and certainly Larry Bird wasn't the best defensive player in the league, but having won MULTIPLE championships, MVPs, rookie of the Year, finals MVP etc, by the same age is pretty damn close, just because he's got one other award doesn't mean that he's suddenly lapped the field. You have the balls to call me a casual when you can't remember that guys in your own generation, have done this much less the old guys. Go look up Oscar Robertson. So yeah he doesn't have the finals MVP or the championship because he was on a horrific Cincinnati team, but he was averaging a triple double, destroying record books, winning MVPs etc. You won't find an NBA historian that thinks that Oscar isn't on at least the same plane if not above giannis. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, and I'm definitely sorry you took your mouth off his nuts long enough to come down from the high horse that you have no discernible reason to reside on. Just because I pointed out things that are factually true, doesn't mean that you should ignore all reading and reading comprehension and miss the point where I acknowledge his greatness. I'm not bad-mouthing him at all, I'm just pointing out that the original post use a ton of hyperbole went over hyping the guy. He's great!! but it doesn't mean that his greatness makes him suddenly so much greater than other league greats.

    • @xeonbladev18
      @xeonbladev18 Před rokem +17

      @@markbeebe125 you got proven wrong and now wanna resort to insults😂😂. Couldn't find a single player as accomplished as Giannis at 27 like I said💀💀. Sign off casual

  • @MaximusR93
    @MaximusR93 Před 11 měsíci +6

    How is Duncan not tier two? He’s just as accomplished as Kobe, they are equals.

    • @Jiturra01
      @Jiturra01 Před 11 měsíci +1

      TD More accomplished.... But they're equals, if you factor in cultural impact. Kobe one tier too high is really why we're all wincing at this....

    • @MaximusR93
      @MaximusR93 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Jiturra01 I agree, I think dude is a Celtics fan because he moved Russell and Bird to Tier 2, I also don’t think either are better than Duncan.

  • @0509brook
    @0509brook Před rokem +1

    Kidd, Yao Ming and Doncic have a special place in my heart but I like your ranking. Great job!

  • @CurtisRichie88
    @CurtisRichie88 Před rokem +40

    Ain't no way Ive been watching this man for 3 years, WHERE TF DID THE TIME GO 🤧🤯

  • @cedomirdzunic5194
    @cedomirdzunic5194 Před rokem +94

    Thank you for recognizing Nikola Jokic once again! If he was on a different, more ambitious team he would definitely be climbing this pyramid more quickly

    • @Gpsrater5
      @Gpsrater5 Před rokem +5

      Joker overrated

    • @Vista.highlights
      @Vista.highlights Před rokem +14

      @@Gpsrater5 L

    • @pfanzers
      @pfanzers Před rokem

      @@Gpsrater5 a big man doing things we never seen and you wanna have some dumbass comment like that.

    • @locococopocoqoco8555
      @locococopocoqoco8555 Před rokem +2

      @@Gpsrater5 Not as overrated as DRose.

  • @coolmatthew213
    @coolmatthew213 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Jokic if you revisit the pyramid as of now since he won his first ring and unanimously won finals MVP, I can see him in tier 4. In my opinion for the greatest center of all time, I feel like he's above both David Robinson and Moses Malone or maybe Hakeem. If that's case if Jokic is greater than Hakeem, then Jokic is in tier 3. It's my take but obviously we should wait as he goes later in his career

  • @allzdeep9683
    @allzdeep9683 Před rokem +219

    Putting KD in the same tier as Curry is wild

    • @carlosrees2301
      @carlosrees2301 Před rokem +7

      Agreed

    • @amosstarkey485
      @amosstarkey485 Před rokem +51

      Is it? Steph is considered bottom end of the top 10 all time, KD is just outside the top 10, normally between 12th and 15th so there's really not a lot of players between them

    • @SixSioux
      @SixSioux Před rokem +16

      True. Simply because KD has shown he's not a winner and a leader. He had to join an already winning franchise to get his chips. 2023 playoffs confirm.

    • @Otaku_Akuma
      @Otaku_Akuma Před 11 měsíci +16

      @@amosstarkey485 Ok . . . so KD 12-15 let's revisit that. So in no order the top 11 should be: MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, Wilt, Shaq, Larry Bird, and Steph. Ok so number 12 has to be KD right . . . well no cuz I'm not putting KD over Hakeem, ok so 13 right??? wrong again if you actually look at tier 4 there are a couple of guys there most if not all people should have over KD. Dr. J, D-Wade, and Zeke Isiah Thomas was also better than KD. Which by my math means he should be at best 16th best player and I'm not about to let you disrespect the Logo Jerry West like that. Soooooo in reality KD's about the 17th best player of all time (as of us typing about this). Because Giannis isn't done, Luka's career's just starting, and who knows if Jayson Tatum/Jimmy Butler/Nikola Jokic win this year's title maybe they'll have a valid case over KD. Jokic's case in particular would be very interesting 1 title vs KD's 2 expired ring pops, Jokic's 2 MVP's vs KD's 1 MVP. But that's all conjecture so as of right now KD's the 17th best player of all time (at best).

    • @stuffylamb3420
      @stuffylamb3420 Před 11 měsíci +9

      I agree. KD's career could've easily ended the same as Harden's if he didn't join the already best team in the league.

  • @TheoryofSend
    @TheoryofSend Před rokem +147

    Dude this video is straight up fire. Jimmy's story telling voice is just built different plus the way he thinks through this stuff makes these videos so interesting to watch. Keep doing what your doing man.

  • @Ja.Morant
    @Ja.Morant Před rokem +413

    The fact that Jokic missed out on the top NBA 75 list and is now about to join a few guys in being a back to back to back MVP is WILD.

    • @georgiosyiannakou5537
      @georgiosyiannakou5537 Před rokem +42

      At the time when they selected the top 75, Jokic only had one regular season MVP and one appearance in Conference finals. So it was kind of a correct decision.

    • @ClassicFeta
      @ClassicFeta Před rokem

      I expect AD to be ejected from that 75

    • @batopopadic1071
      @batopopadic1071 Před rokem

      @@georgiosyiannakou5537 i mean, mvp is kind of a big thing. There werent that many players who got it 🤷🏽‍♂️
      But anyway, still didn't deserve it back then, but now he coming into the better part of those 75 😶

    • @sportbrawl480
      @sportbrawl480 Před rokem +4

      @@batopopadic1071 if it’s like that then D rose would be there or Westbrook, winning fmvp gives you a bigger boost than winning a regular season mvp

    • @bysonchi
      @bysonchi Před rokem +4

      @@batopopadic1071 MVP is a joke, more like a popularity contest by writers and commentators, than what it was truly supposed to represent. How else do we explain why MJ had only 6, and Lebron only 4.

  • @lawpenner
    @lawpenner Před 13 dny +2

    Glad to see Larry Bird moved up to tier 2. Bird I think had the greatest basketball IQ of all time

  • @leonventurelli3348
    @leonventurelli3348 Před 4 měsíci +2

    why is everyone forgetting how good prime westbrook was, an honorable mention for him was deserved, check his stats if you disagree. i think iverson was good and well-ranked in tier 5 and also luka, jokic and harden will deserve a place in the next update in my opinion

  • @gavinharris4690
    @gavinharris4690 Před rokem +91

    I once was terrible at basketball and basically has known nothing of the game except the goat is MJ and a few players names. About 3 years ago I started watching Jimmy and I know have so much knowledge of the game and have fallen in love with it. I have also become quite good at playing basketball and have even made my school basketball team! Thank you Jimmy so so much for helping me fall into a game I had no idea about! You're one of my favorite youtubers so keep up the Outstanding Work!!!!

    • @doryembrandingmarketingven3923
      @doryembrandingmarketingven3923 Před rokem +1

      Same here. Exactly the same trajectory.

    • @thedargon6899
      @thedargon6899 Před rokem +3

      Same here. Except I thought Lebron was the goat…
      And he is 👑 but mj is a good answer too yeah

    • @TheBabyTort
      @TheBabyTort Před rokem +3

      @@thedargon6899 I thought so too but man imagine if MJ played as many seasons as Bron bro would have the most cracked numbers even better more chips etc. if he was in the modern nba he would get way more DPOY because permittee defense is a lot more valuable in this age of basketball. Even without those years he still has a better resume. I wish it was bron but it never will be 💀

    • @dreamchaser1419
      @dreamchaser1419 Před rokem +5

      @@TheBabyTortI question a lot of you guys basketball knowledge lol. Like obviously dude. That's like saying "if you stand in cold weather too long, you'll get cold". Ofc if he played longer shit would look different. That's what make bron argument unique and significant is that he has been this good for this long

    • @mikmaks7393
      @mikmaks7393 Před rokem

      @@dreamchaser1419 True. Those if's don't count. It's only facts that does.

  • @SilencedButNotForgotten
    @SilencedButNotForgotten Před rokem +591

    I agree, good changes! Wonderful list! Will be fun in a few years with Jokic, Giannis and Luka!
    Jokic and Luka will surely make the list and not as tier 5 😶

  • @michaelcollins3384
    @michaelcollins3384 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thomas Kuhn, in a foundational piece called "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions," makes an argument that cites an evolution of ideas over time is not linear - eras bring about seismic change, relegating older eras to archaic concepts instead of foundational building blocks. He uses an example of baseball - how Babe Ruth wouldn't cut it in the new era of the 60s, the game of baseball had changed so fundamentally. Basketball is the same. Players in the last 20 years are exponentially better than those from 40 years back, exacerbated over time. Ergo, this pyramid of 30 players should have roughly 85% of its pieces from the last era or two. Food for thought.

  • @josephrusso5675
    @josephrusso5675 Před 11 měsíci +1

    How do you measure greatness? Especially in a team sport, as it depends on who is on their team and who their competition is. There's also personal and regional favoritism and which era you've watched the most games of. Which stats and which awards are more important than others?

  • @dustinstewart3771
    @dustinstewart3771 Před rokem +36

    I can’t be the only one just waiting the whole video for this man to add Giannis to the pyramid

    • @xanderc1225
      @xanderc1225 Před rokem +3

      Fr I knew he couldn’t leave him off

  • @nattalete
    @nattalete Před rokem +78

    R.I.P. to Kobe Bryant and Bill Russell, who have both passed away since Jxmy's first G.O.A.T. pyramid video.

  • @manny4552
    @manny4552 Před 7 měsíci +1

    John havlicek is really underrated these days he was a beast a perpetual steam roller..never tired with mad skills

  • @damonthomas2975
    @damonthomas2975 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Wilt Chamberlain was an athletic freak of nature. When it comes to talent, no one is above him. When it comes to stats, no one put up more video game like numbers than Wilt did. I'll Grant someone that says he played in a weaker smaller era but so did Bill Russell. The fact that he moved Bill Russell up to Tier 2 and left Wilt at 3 just made it to where I couldn't take this pyramid seriously. You must seriously overvalue rings to do that...but even then I think it's laughable. Wilt is no question way more of a greater talent, players, stat stuffer, and legend than Bill Russell was. No disrespect to Bill, he's in the top 100 for sure but to put him above Wilt just shows how silly some of these debates are and how they can't even be taken seriously.

  • @BigBrain-
    @BigBrain- Před rokem +201

    Can’t wait for Luka to get on here. See y’all in 3 years

    • @vanguardas9927
      @vanguardas9927 Před rokem +5

      fatboy won't make tier5...he's james harden 2.0

    • @dj-lk2uh
      @dj-lk2uh Před rokem +2

      @@vanguardas9927 wait he wins a ring

    • @pi_za8214
      @pi_za8214 Před rokem +10

      bro its too early in his career, yall nedda wait a sec, when all is siad and done he will for sure, but rn? no hes not there yet, and he wont be there in 3 years

    • @vanguardas9927
      @vanguardas9927 Před rokem

      @@dj-lk2uh he won't unless he joins a superteam...he's literally harden except he doesn't choke in the playoffs and is fat af...luka is gassed by the 3rd quarter in every game he plays in

    • @Strutz3E
      @Strutz3E Před rokem +1

      Luka won’t get on even if he starts averaging 35 simply because this list is so elite with so much hardware to back it up. Luka is great but it’s too premature to try and say he’s an all time great

  • @senpaijeezus1907
    @senpaijeezus1907 Před rokem +59

    I think Duncan would have been tier 2 if they hadn't lost to Miami during 2013 or 2014. He would have been 6-0 in the finals

    • @yc99official95
      @yc99official95 Před rokem +5

      if i put everything into consideration, skillset, accomplishments, stats, sustained excellence, and influence/impact, it would be hard for me to decide who's the #1 GOAT, but if we used conventional ways, i could make a case for duncan being the #1 GOAT

  • @MickeyMouse-lm6zj
    @MickeyMouse-lm6zj Před rokem +1

    the greatest of all time is whoever is the most valuable in my opinion
    some people don't have as much talent or good stats but can influence games in a direction where their team wins

  • @shanedunn8932
    @shanedunn8932 Před 11 měsíci +2

    As great as Giannis is, the magnitude of just how good he sometimes is lost because 1. he doesnt have multiple rings and 2. Talent parity among teams is the greatest ive seen in all my life. But when you bring up those accomplishments, it's impossible to forget anymore.

  • @Matt-dp7ze
    @Matt-dp7ze Před rokem +48

    9:15 crazy how this 3.5 year span is a guaranteed Hall of Fame spot for any NBA player.

    • @dreamchaser1419
      @dreamchaser1419 Před rokem +23

      To be fair olajuwon 1994 season is a guaranteed hof. Champ, FMvp, Mvp, Dpoy, All NBA teams.

  • @3AsianBoi
    @3AsianBoi Před rokem +914

    Tim Duncan deserves Tier 2... Played in every era & showed he can play in modern era

  • @marcosmartinez8088
    @marcosmartinez8088 Před rokem +5

    Sorry, but TD is better than Kobe, at least in the same tier they both should be.

  • @SidelineFilmz
    @SidelineFilmz Před rokem +74

    Nice work, Jxmy. Even though it will be a few years, I am heavily intrigued to see the next edition of this GOAT pyramid. Will Jokic win a ring and make it? How far does Giannis ascend after the next few years? Could a fifth ring for Steph put him in tier 2?
    Great video!

    • @JAYJ_17
      @JAYJ_17 Před rokem +1

      I agree can’t wait but honestly a 5th ring for Steph puts him in tier 1

    • @judyclarkson5887
      @judyclarkson5887 Před rokem +4

      @@JAYJ_17 Nah mate,, tier 2. He'll get to that tier 1 if somehow he manages to win 2 or 3 more rings (which is crazy to even think about considering he'll postpone so many young and upcoming players their maiden title if that really happens in the future).

  • @Okok30308
    @Okok30308 Před rokem +416

    So glad kawhi got added. his 2019 run with the raptors was one of the most impressive performances I’ve ever seen, aswell as his overall defensive ability throughout his career. A quiet killer

    • @irjake
      @irjake Před rokem +26

      I agree with his addition now, but with his injury history I expect him to be surpassed and drop off in the next pyramid in 5 years.

    • @cuylerpenrod1031
      @cuylerpenrod1031 Před rokem +16

      @@irjake yep, his load management is gonna end up hurting his legacy unfortunately

    • @adil8701
      @adil8701 Před 11 měsíci

      Especially when you know he played the finals and part of the playoffs injured

    • @trikk9964
      @trikk9964 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ... ehhh...

    • @Outwardpd
      @Outwardpd Před 11 měsíci

      Just imagining what Kawhi's legacy could've been if he hadn't wasted his talent going to the Clipper is going to be one of the biggest 'what ifs' ever.

  • @MC326_
    @MC326_ Před 3 měsíci +3

    Jokic needs to be on tier 5 easily after the 2023 ring

  • @xypher321
    @xypher321 Před 4 měsíci +4

    disgusts me to see LeFlop LeDisney Championship LeCrybaby LeBubble LeSteal all credit from Anthony Davis Le4-6 in Finals LePuts himself at the top out of pride and ego, next to Mike.

  • @gerry5786
    @gerry5786 Před rokem +122

    Kevin Garnett is the most underrated player in the league in my opinion. So happy to see Dirk and Him moved up to tier 4. Drik's success is granted. KG's not so much. Great to see him getting some shine here.

    • @bandjolyn
      @bandjolyn Před rokem +1

      As a Mavs fan, I agree wholeheartedly. Especially now that Dirk is a tier above D Wade lol.

    • @duartemalafaya6251
      @duartemalafaya6251 Před rokem

      I actually believe Garnett should be in the same tier as d wade, I would pick wade anytime

    • @javigar133
      @javigar133 Před rokem +2

      Kg belongs in the pyramid, but not higher than IT or Stockton, and possibly Wade. That's muy opinion

    • @jasonl1184
      @jasonl1184 Před rokem +4

      KG underachieved, like that one Celtics title with Allen and pierce saved all their careers and is the reason doc is still coaching. How tf can u only win one title with that roster.

    • @pinobluevogel6458
      @pinobluevogel6458 Před rokem +1

      Advanced stats and tracking show Garnett as one of the most elite players on both ends of the floor. He was a one man army and had a huge impact in the games he played. Too bad his career was cut short by injuries. I think he should be one tier higher on the pyramid, maybe even two.

  • @Tofuey
    @Tofuey Před rokem +15

    Good list except for Tim Duncan not being tier 2. 5 chips and 2 mvps 3 FMVPs and 13 all nba and all defensive appearances is crazy. Especially since you have Kobe in tier 2 when Duncan has more everything except all star game appearances while they both played in the same era.

    • @jackstone2176
      @jackstone2176 Před rokem

      He also played with three HoF players and a GOAT coach.

  • @ncb5347
    @ncb5347 Před 25 dny

    this list is beautiful

  • @NewMojo71
    @NewMojo71 Před 10 měsíci +36

    No way KD is on the same Tier as Tim Duncan, thats insane!

  • @jjp381
    @jjp381 Před rokem +56

    I love the content you put out bro, Bron and MJ fan at heart and I can’t hardly ever dispute your opinion. I just have to point out that Magic and Bird were drafted in the 70s but that portion of eras was wild when you consider the depth of skill in the 80s. Love the channel

    • @rlmalonzo1184
      @rlmalonzo1184 Před rokem +3

      I've never thought I see a day in the internet that a certain person are both MJ and LeBron fan. Thanksl you for this, breathe of fresh air lol
      Coz most of their fanbase just spent their debate yelling at each other

    • @thefourthquarter7429
      @thefourthquarter7429 Před rokem +2

      Yeah, the two GOATS. They were / are amazing to watch. Somebody made a comment that applies perfectly to these two: "Aliens doing alien sh!$t"

    • @jbailey690
      @jbailey690 Před rokem +1

      @@thefourthquarter7429 😂😂😂

  • @craigecampbell814
    @craigecampbell814 Před rokem +24

    I don't even look at other basketball videos anymore. When it comes to basketball research, commentary, statistics and video editing, you are the GOOAT. Keep up the great work

    • @Crying2Death
      @Crying2Death Před rokem +2

      Check out Thinking Basketball for some quality, well researched content! Not as high of a production value I’d say but he definitely is just as critical and in depth!

    • @equilibrium_69
      @equilibrium_69 Před rokem

      Search for Clayton Crowley's channel. Has some really good takes on basketball history that feels chill but authoritative.

  • @filthyfos7578
    @filthyfos7578 Před rokem +5

    Shaq deadass thought he was better than Lebron and TD💀💀💀

  • @twoqueens
    @twoqueens Před 10 měsíci +5

    That is a great list, but I would put Wilt in T2 as he has that massive domination factor and imba stats. KD has no business being that high and personally I hate AI not making the list.

    • @morrisparrish76
      @morrisparrish76 Před 4 měsíci +1

      How can u not have a man (WNC) who is 1st in scoring ave- minutes played ave & rebound ave as #1 is hateful-foolish-opionated & criminal!

  • @samuelvoas2861
    @samuelvoas2861 Před rokem +56

    D-wade and Isaiah Thomas both have a strong argument to be above Kevin Garnet.
    I know tier two is already looking crowded but it feels weird not having Timmy up there.
    Man, I never get tired of the nba GOATs conversation.

    • @BravestOfTheBrave
      @BravestOfTheBrave Před rokem +10

      Timmy should be in tier 2 instead of bird

    • @tqmper7153
      @tqmper7153 Před rokem +5

      @@BravestOfTheBrave they both should be there

    • @UncleSmokeKing
      @UncleSmokeKing Před rokem +4

      I agree. Bird and Magic should always be same tier, but Kobe, Shaq and Duncan I think should always be paired together as well.

    • @Lregofins34
      @Lregofins34 Před rokem

      @@BravestOfTheBrave definitely!

  • @tonycarter1317
    @tonycarter1317 Před rokem +267

    Giannis to me is the 2nd best PF of all time…
    Not to discredit Dirk, KG, and Karl-but what Giannis has done at such a young age is incredible

    • @ajodbeats
      @ajodbeats Před rokem +28

      If Karl would of took some of those mj rings we would be looking at this waaaaay different 🤫

    • @freaknature1774
      @freaknature1774 Před rokem +5

      Imo Giannis is already the greatest PF and if he isnt he’s about to surpass Dirk

    • @tubster4649
      @tubster4649 Před rokem +49

      @@freaknature1774 no

    • @ryboi1337
      @ryboi1337 Před rokem +1

      @@tubster4649 yes

    • @Amleto.
      @Amleto. Před rokem +86

      @@freaknature1774 Tim Duncan literally exists

  • @mylesbennetcoronadyson6929
    @mylesbennetcoronadyson6929 Před 9 měsíci

    This pyramid just feels right. It passes the eye test. If we take this pyramid as fact there is just something that seems so on point with it.

  • @Jacob_Flat
    @Jacob_Flat Před rokem +4

    How does Russell Westbrook not get mentioned?
    1 mvp
    4 seasons averaging a TRIPLE DOUBLE
    9x All nba team
    9x all star
    2x scoring Leader
    3x assist leader

  • @connorrod6251
    @connorrod6251 Před rokem +24

    I’m not even a huge fan. But thank u for paying attention and realizing dirks try greatness. That man was legit a basketball thing. Idol, star, enigma, competitor,stud. Thing.

  • @RICHIEV333
    @RICHIEV333 Před rokem +23

    Glad to see Moses Malone get some love... Many players can dominate a game, a few can dominate a playoff game, only a couple can dominate an entire playoff.

  • @Seven-ux7wy
    @Seven-ux7wy Před 9 měsíci

    Thank you for the effort on your videos. Keep up the good quality content. Can you make a video showing who the goat is by using a point system to rank accomplishments. Example: One 3 Championship over 6 years is equivalent to a 2 Peat. Two 2 Peats are equivalent to one 3 Peat. And add a point system to each accomplishment to determine who the goat is 🤔

  • @gustavorangel1331
    @gustavorangel1331 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Considering that LeBron has a 17.8 ppg, being the third best scorer in the Heat roster against the Mavs while shooting miserable 60% from the ft line, it felt very delusional to put him in the same tier that Jordan is in...

  • @talhirsh1371
    @talhirsh1371 Před rokem +28

    Honestly, one of the best tier lists when it comes to NBA grades