Why Engineers Invited Us to LV 223 || Analysis Theories Prometheus
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- Why Engineers Invited us to lv 223?
why engineers gave humans a map to lv 223 which dr
Shaw perceived as an invitation. When I first saw Prometheus, it seemed a little bit confusing because we
learned that lv223 was a military facility with bio weapons that were meant to destroy humans but for some reason,
they left a map to that place. As Dr Shaw explained this map to the star system with a moon lv 223 was found in
many different places on earth that were separated not only
by distance but also by time so ancient humans in different locations and eras depicted the same star system.
That means that Engineers intentionally wanted people to know
the location of their military base for some unexplained reason. There a few possible answers, some of which are given in Alien Covenant,
the other ones are related to Prometheus .
The Prometheus crew interpreted many things in a wrong way including the pictogram with giant being pointing to 6 stars. According to one theory, it was not an
invitation as Dr. Shaw assumed but a warning reminding humans to behave better in the case they don’t
engineers would unleash xenomorphs and destroys humanity on Earth.
Considering Christian imagery in Prometheus and Covenant, the symbolism might also tie into Armageddon
which is the supposed location of a gathering of armies for a battle during the end times. The bio-weapons xenomorphs represent ‘demons", “plagues"; and “hell”. Armageddon translates from greek as a mountain or a range of hills, which is kinda what we find on lv 223, a mountain like temples build in a line. Like I said there are 6 stars on the pictogram, the number 6 appears multiple times during the film on the screens of the crew. That could be another biblical reference to the number 666 which is considered the number of the beast assosiated with the devil.
Certainly, if the Engineers are Godlike creators of humanity, then xenomorphs have a clear resemblance to demons. Internal consistency for the religious themes points to both the Creation mythology and the Armageddon or
end of times. Thus, it’s more likely that the cave paintings and other ancient Earth artwork were all
depicting visits from Engineers threatening us with Armageddon, which would manifest as the release of bio-
weapon aliens on Earth.
Another suggestion is that the map was given to humans to destroy them in case they reach the level of technological
advancement that would allow traveling through space to lv223. The myth of Prometheus is about a man who is
punished for trying to gain knowledge and power equal to Gods’.
In the same way, if human would reach the level
of technology that is similar to Engineers, they would be punished by the pathogen for trying to imitate gods.
This
also ties with the fact that in the deleted scene, Wetland proclaimed him self a God , a few
seconds before the Engineer started killing the crew.
There is also a theory that lv 223 is a place for the final judgment of humans, which relates to the piano
piece in Alien Covenant “Entrance of Gods into Valhalla”.
Valhalla is an afterlife in the Norse mythology which only the chosen may enter. The chosen are selected by Odin
himself for their glorious accomplishments in battles, and in Viking culture most warriors perceived death
in battle above everythings else so they could enter Valhalla and live alongside great heroes and Gods
themselves.
The Engineers present on LV-223 were probably stationed there to monitor humanity from
afar and await their arrival so judgment could be made on whether or not allowing them entry to the Engineer
home world
Peter Weyland speaks with the Last Engineer he does not initially attack the
humans The Engineer first study them, his decision to attack is based on the hostility of Elizabeth
towards him, the hostility of the humans towards Shaw as well as the physical force used to silence
her and lastly Weyland proclaims himself to be a God and desires immortality.
The Last Engineer in that moment realizes they must be wiped out primarily because they are still a savage and violent race.
What is also interesting is another deleted scene in the lifeboat where the Engineer initially discovers Shaw hiding he does not attack her, he studies her and it is only after she
strikes him with an axe than he attacks her back.
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i want a stand alone movie about engineers!
i want a whole trilogy about them!
Guys... YOU HAD IT! Hope you supported Prometheus and Covenant, lol. I don't know why everybody bangs on endlessly about the xeno which has no mystery anymore and is no longer capable of scares.
Krish Lius I dont not even intresting.
Orichimaru Kusanagi Nope they suck.Nobody cares.
I care, why don't you? You guys kill me, these new films resurrected the Alien franchise from the dead and you can't stop complaining. What would you rather have, Alien vs. Predator 3? Because that's the direction the studio was taking before Ridley turned their compass point from asininity back toward quality.
Weyland : "I want immortality" Engineer : "do you even lift, Bro?"
😂😂😂😂
Engineers are more interesting than the Xenomorphs or predator.
No they're not. We just know less about them.
similaritiesendhere Even when we know nothing of them they are more interesting. Predators and aliens are for kids, Engineers are for real men and thinkers 👍
@@nuntana2 Ancient Aliens is a show made for real thinkers. Lol.
@@similaritiesendhere haha, touche ;)
@nuntana I don't really care about Predators. Xenomorphs represented pure cosmic horror (fear that the entire universe is out to get you)... before they were explained away with ancient alien theory.
I never noticed that in the deleted scene, that he really wasnt Shaw's enemy until she attacked him. He was more interested in studying humanity.
Imagine if she had left David and befriended the engineer.
She was 100% convinced that she was experiencing a live action version of the Book of Revelations... which for a fanatic like her is understandable knee jerk from her initial belief that she'd wandered into the Book of Genesis! Shaw is tough like Ripley, but not rational or cautious like Ripley. Vickers was cautious, but not very tough. She was very serious about quarantine though, gotta give her that!
The failure of Shaw was to believe in David (the "scientific" product, the so "rational" argunentation) and lose her faith /trust in the Creators/Engineers. She was a "Doctor", the modern priest of the "modern" /ultimative religion called Science.....
Agree.
I believe if Shaw didn't attack him he wouldn't mean to hit her back.
She panicked and made mistake.
David was evil android who above all desired to destroy it's creator.
She shouldn't listen to him and she could establish the communication with engineer.
@@Suessserat No, she had no good reason to have 'faith' in the 'Engineers'. Her conclusion that the drawings were made by 'Engineers' makes no sense. They are crude cave drawings made by primitive humans who witnessed something. Most likely they saw one of those 3D holograms when the 'engineers' displayed where they would be taking some of the humans as 'tribute' or 'sacrifice'. LV 223 wasn't a place for making humans, nor for wiping us out. They just went to Earth once in a while for more _raw material_ , and some of the humans abducted were bred to be bigger, less individual, obedient slaves, modified to endure environments that would kill normal people. Shaw failure was to 'choose to believe', rather than to logically consider the evidence. First she cherry picked things to suit her religious belief, and she was gullible enough to listen to David, even though he also clearly had his own agenda.
@@jimbobeire vickers should of been a robot that no one knew was one,,they should of made vickers and shaw live through this,and they go after David,,
Prometheus was not punished because he wanted to be a god, he was punished because he gave man fire.
And because he put man up to gods
@@mindjuice499 Fire is ultimately a tool - it can also purify normally unsafe water, smelt metals and on and on. The down side is tools used for weapons. for war.
@@Cyberpuppy63 wasn't denying that
"Zeus doesn't want humans to have fire, because it will make them stronger. He wants to maintain absolute control over humanity, for mortals to be under his complete command. Although mortals will still remain in a position of subordination to the gods, even with the gift of fire, Prometheus's bold, brazen defiance of Zeus, brings human beings just that little bit closer to the level of the gods, and the father of the gods cannot tolerate this."
@Planet Purgatory Prometheus is a titan, an uncle of Zeus. He is not a demigod
the bodybuilder engineers wanna destroy us cause our gains are not natty brah
Me Catalin
*alien ships land on earth*
*alien climbs out of ship, looks absolutely ripped to a degree that makes 80's Arnold look like a little boy*
Alien: Doth thine species even lifteth?
Speak for yourself you weak little shit. Deez gainz iz the foe real deal!
(5'6" and a whopping 120 lbs soaking wet...) wut? I wuz built for speed! I can run marathons around a lifter before he can touch me!
@@granziii12 ..lol 😂😂😂
Is thee even aye lift’er
But in all seriousness, I can't gain weight. Ya need more weight ta gain more mass. It took me 11 months ta gain 4 faqin lbs. I'm puttin money aside ta get the powder shit en I gotta guy who said he'll hook me up with the weights I requested. Imma keep doin my parkour en sword en spear bull shit but with all these weights strapped to me I gotta be makin SOME progress, right?
Prometheus was not a man, he was a Titan.
And David not a man but a machine, still not human the one that determinated the future for humans.
"Humans are a savage race" stated by an Alien who starts ripping peoples heads off after 2 mins of conversation.
Earth and Space are ruled by the rule of the strong.
They were stronger than us so they could do all nasty things.
John Snow you’ve got a point there 😂
The engineer attacked because the actions taking place in front of him. In the story line man was not to create life. David was that creation we were never supposed to make.
Turchy P. Factsss
@@bacomiric Huh?
The problem is no one had the patience to see his story come to an end, everyone got pissed at Prometheus and didn't wanna wait three movies to see the conclusion. It's called "instant gratification" and it plagues our planet. So he wrote a quick ending and called it 'Alien: Covenant'. It would have been an epic tale, but our dumb asses want a one-and-done story plot. We have zero patience... TELL ME THE ENDING, NOW!! 🤦🏻♂️
jesus christ, you nailed it in the head. Ridley's vision was much more epic and was going to stray even more far in the sequel to prometheus. I wonder how many mysteries could've been explored, more scientific theories uncovered, our perception of the universe and our place in it could've been what his real plan should've been. Instead, we had a bunch of people gang up on ridley and tell him that his movies weren't good enough. I mean after what hollywood did with alien 4, this was certainly a masterpiece. I seriously don't care about action. Aliens is indeed a great film but we have 4 of those now. Can we start diving into the universe deeper and look beyond the same old "uwu the alien is scary because we don't where it comes from" shit. People wanted to see humans do dumb stuff and die in the sequel and they STILL aren't happy. I feel sad for ridley but hopefully there's going to be alien: awakening but this is still so soon. How many artful scifi films do we even really have? I guess at the end of the day, its about money. If people aren't getting paid, there can be no place for artistic integrity. We'll se what happens but man, I can't get mind off of what could've been.
@@trueromani7262 that's the curse of planet full of normies
@@trueromani7262 I agree we can't just have the simplistic Alien horror movies. But 3 years after your comment and that's exactly what we're getting with Romulus.
It's funny though Prometheus actually did well in theatres, a lot better than Covenant. I wonder how many people actually disliked Prometheus.
@@MyVishal98Well said ,
The Neurotypical Disorder...
the song behind the videos is what keep me coming back here
The more explains I watch the more confused I get
The short answer is that Ridley Scott has gone insane.
Lol
Raised by Wolves is even more surreal
I think u may be right
@@muhammadarifbillah984 I thought it was just awful as fuck I had such hi hopes
Could be the Engineer is warning them away from that particular area. A lesson to be taught to future generations, but lost in time, before being discovered again and misinterpreted as an invitation.
good point. i actually never thought of that before;
the good creator engineers warning humans about the bad military engineers
@Planet Purgatory Thank you for this.
The image is one dimensional and the Enginner is pointing towards a system that actually existed with no other symbology included.
One can only interpret this as an invitation.
Perhaps the planet was a benevolent outpost at some point but was commandeered by the destroyers.
@@MrZayne8 Or simply Weyland's been a dick and hid some other crucial information away regarding the image so that he can get his perfect crew.
The information about that star system was lost in the tower of Babel with so much other useful info.
Dude, I love these videos. You should be a consultant for a spin-off movie about the Engineers. Keep em coming!!!!
One thing that comes to mind, the xenomorphs being referred to as serpents. Anyone else remember this? That ties in with the whole biblical theme also.
Shaw: "Why do you hate us so much ??!" Engineer: "Hate ? WE GAVE you that feeling."
The truth is dont overthink Ridleys script or franchise he is winging it and hoping fans go along with it the end.
Pretty much. I dont think its played out at all he just analysis of a loose plot
@Supreme Alpha Male
Well considering you offered no explanation as to why you think the way you do, it's pretty safe to say we can disregard your comment. Until you offer some sort of explanation and support it with irrefutable proof and evidence, your lack of intellectual contributions will grant you with backlash equal but opposite to your lack of effort. Meaning, because you gave no fucks, neither will we. You gave no fucks, you get no fucks.
Well he certainly had no fucks to give when casting Prometheus, or maybe it was just a big joke, because everybody but the robot sucked ass
Co-sign
Agreed, Ridley should have waited until someone who had the genius narrative to complete the series (dark horse writers?) full circle. Ridley sold out and it cost everyone in wasted time.
that is so crazy , i LITERALLY just thought about this yesterday ,that it WAS a warning NOT an invitation. great channel btw
If the natural reaction of the Engineers to human ego and brutality, is to eliminate human kind, this seems a very human reaction.
I really think things would have gone a different route had Shaw spoke to the Space Jockey one on one. No security pointing guns. No talk of synthetic creations. Just did your people create humanity? Is this your home world? Weyland is an idiot. What a wasted trip. When the space jockey said, why are you here? That kind of confirms the inscriptions aren't an invitation. They were more of we come from a distant star. It was never an invitation. Either way, you don't go to someone else's home pointing guns at them and beating on women and having discussions of godliness. I would bring hell down on you as well.
the Engineer should have ignored weyland and instead speak to shaw cause she was smarter and knew what to talk about
Anti Petrolhead yup
I think this as well. He seemed to be judging them when he came out of stasis. If he wanted then dead he could have just began to attack them immediately without speaking to them.
I also believe they were going to cleanse the human race with the canisters but their plans were derailed. Either by an outbreak or sabotage.
However when the engineer was woken up he decided to judge whether or not humans were worthy at this point. You cant really blame his reaction after how foolish they had behaved.
Inquiring Minds 🤣😆😂
Right. I much prefer a story arc with Shaw & David engaging the engineer alone after locking Weyland out of the room.
Also with Shaw living well into Covenant with a sane David who has not been rewritten into a *broken robot*.....but a learning and evolving being.
I really enjoy your clips. Also the background music is very fitting. You are doing a great job! Thank you.
I interpreted it the same way. When the engineer was in the pod, it seemed like he was fascinated by the artifacts of humanity like the books and video of Shaw playing violin. He seemed like he was not going to attack her, but was intrigued by her.
The engineers were referred to as “gardeners” in that they planted life in many places but isn’t the nature of a gardener to eventually harvest what they’ve planted? They said that humans were the only success probably because we overpopulated and killed our planet and so they knew that humans would eventually look to the.stars for a place to relocate. Once at lv223, the plan was to use humans for reproductive purposes since theengineers no longer had the power to reproduce. They knew that using the black goo with less superior dna would be safer. But, I think they underestimated the human capacity for causing the eventual destruction of everything humans encounter.
My three year old alone can break anything she gets her hands on.
I just think it's a warning. Like "they're watching us".
Great video. Been really enjoying watching and listening to your analysis
Bro I have legit just binged your channel !!! Keep doing what your doing !!!!
Great analysis, very clear and compelling
Very cool explanation. LV223 was basically an "evolution checkpoint" to see what the humans/race created has become and whether they were worthy of going to the next level of understanding/evolution, being granted access to the engineer home world to further the development of their people/species. This really reminded me of 2001 A Space Odyssey. As most fans, I would love to see a third film tie it all together and just complete the story with Ridley having full control on run time, themes, rating, content etc. Definitely bring back Lindeloff and put together a beautiful 3hr run time definitive answer to the questions introduced in Prometheus, a masterpiece of space horror and sci-fi with mythology/religion/evolution tones, continuing to use HR Gigers designs and influences and just nailing it! Disney, please do not Disney/Marvel the Alien franchise. Let Ridley/Lindeloff do what they want no matter what the cost is.
Shaw BELIEVED it was an invitation.
Maybe LV 223 is book of Leviticus 22:3?
"Say unto them, Whosoever he be of all your seed among your generations, that goeth unto the holy things, which the children of Israel hallow unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, that soul shall be cut off from my presence: I am the LORD." - KJV
Also 2+2+3=7 again Bible...
Well , Prometheus tries to tackle the origins of humans life so it could possibly be true that this relationship with the bible is no coincidence.
Hey Kroft , love your videos about the engineers , please do more in-depth stories
The pathogen is LITERALLY Pandora's Box.
Can't see where the Hope part is in that sludge of goo.
No it's the Corona Virus.
@@mkprovince the insane robot found hope inside it.
can't believe it's never mentioned anywhere, even the jars are depicted in a similar manner.
Box is a mistranslation. In the original Greek texts it is Pandoras jar, actually...
It's fun to speculate and Krofts videos make it all the more entertaining, and I love Prometheus and Covenant and find them entertaining... What I'm skeptical of ultimately though (due to how disjointed the plotlines & timelines are becoming, especially in the plotholes already created in connection with the original trilogy) is whether or not Ridley Scott and current crew are even as considerate of consistent lore, plot suspense and stick-to-the-in-universe-story as we're even giving them credit for.
So many "reboots" and remakes and "reimaginings" lately, no matter how sacred the IP, tend to value the box office so much more than ever, that they'll even /pretend/ to be doing the IP justice, throwing the occasional reference, mystery tied in to backstory, etc, when in reality, many of them couldn't care less about "sticking to the established story" and are focused on huge entertainment value so they'll put in just enough "lore based" stuff to at least keep the die hards from not giving up altogether.
I hope this isn't the case with the Alien franchise.
Smitty Jagerman what does IP mean?
Smitty unfortunately from what I heard they already have cashed in. I heard/read in an interview or something that Scott was planning on making a trilogy before showing the aliens in the orginal movies but backlash pretty much forced him to include them in Covanant.
Your videos are awesome and very informative. Keep making these mind-expanding videos please!
Questions... Theories and more Theories... We want answers!!!
Ridley Scott didn't want to do Xenos anymore but the financiers wanted them so, since Scott is an employee, guess who won? Too bad, because enough actual mythology exists to have had Elizabeth and David become Indiana Jones type explorers.
F.... ck yeahhhh
F..... ck yeahhhhh
@@spaceflight1019 Exactly!!!
there needs to be a Netflix series on the engineers or something along those lines !
Love this vid, thanx Kroft !
I watched the other deleted scene with him translating what was going on with the engineer and that to me made more sense than what we got in the movie.
However, I have not seen the one where the engineer found Shaw and did not attack her so I'll have to look at that. Thank you for letting us know about it
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The Engineers didn't invite us to LV-223 but to Planet 4 (Paradise), the map was wrongly interpreted, the system on the maps shows a 6 celestial bodies which is corresponds to the star system of Paradise which was unknown to humans till the time of Covenant, that's why Shaw and Holloway said the only system matches the map is the system of LV-223, the invitation either means to human to visit the Engineers home world if those on Planet 4 were Engineers or if they are not, it means an invitation for humans to visit Paradise were all the good creations are gathered
Trestan Emperor seriously trestan?!?
Are you saying that paradise is in the same system as LV223?
Steven George no, what I mean is the map was wrongly interpreted, it gives coordinates to Paradise while Shaw and Holloway thought it points to the system of LV-223
ok buddy...its possible
Hmnm intetesting good point
another great video kroft, I like the theory of the invitation to observe humans to decide if they are worthy to live among engineers, make sense how the engineer studies the crew actions, black goo got out of control as they already decided to kill earth 2000 years ago putting a pause of the engineers plans, Prometheus crew arrives they were judged and the engineer decided that the plan was right from the start
Dude I love your channel
WHY IS THIS MOVIE MADE SO CONFUSING. Even after watching so many videos on prometheus and covenant, I still cant figure out what exactly happened.
Zain B Because the filmmakers have no idea what this universe is, theyre simply hinting at things, pointing in various directions, but since there is no coherent universe the movies turn into nonsense
Don't be a Disney Princess, and use your own imagination and understanding..., that's how some movies work. Leaving room for viewers' interpretations.
Love your videos!!! Gonna buy a shirt too!!!
I’ve watched a bunch of these videos, the music gets stuck in my head all day, while I contemplate not only the engineers but actual extra terrestrials in our universe
Great video man 👌👍👊
By far the best analysis to date of Prometheus and Covenant !
The engineers on LV223 were already on a mission to destroy Humanity thousands of years before Prometheus crew arrived there. So the judgment theory is incorrect. The sabotage attempt of LV233 mission didn't just happen out of nowhere. Nothing happens on Engineer ship by accident. Those bodies were renegade Engineers. But as we've seen, the unit on the ground failed to enter the deck before being wiped out. They stalled the mission, but did not achieve to shut it down completely.
Why haven't they tried again is open to speculation, but the map to LV223 was given to us by them in hopes that we will shut it down before the Engineers on LV223 ships wake up.
in that planet, this Juggernaut ship is carring a bio-weapon- a black goo. Why the ship is burried in the ground soil ? And there's also more than one ship . Looks like 2000 years before coming of Prometheus, this renegade space jockeys (engineers) had lost some of the bio-weapon virus and the virus enter one engineer body (those with decapitate head has new cells in his head)..I think all crew members in Prometheus make a mistake of the location of the planet that has to go, they landed on wrong planet.
In the Alien universe, there are three shown ways to clear a planet of life: driving mass into it, in which case it takes many years for the environment to recover, Xenomorphs, where you have to wait for them to kill off everything and then die off themselves, and the black too, which as shown in Covenant, works as fast as many Earthly nerve agents.
To many opinions is humans ! Juggernaut ship is carring a bio-weapon or was it in a temple under the dam ship
The Beyonder bit late replying but definitely in the ship not a temple. extra ìnformation: when alien was at drawing stage the eggs were in a temple not the juggernaut, but it was too expensive so it looks like the basement of the ship on lv426 but it is a temple. Also the eggs ozzed out of biomechanical wombs in the walls. so all of the movies have had there own take on its origins, but i think it was ruined by aliens and the queen. the engineers are supposedly dead, the human like species in covenent were not the original engineers, they were too small, all the burnt bodies were our size and we saw them with engineer like features, the juggernaut turning up was a massive event, enough for the entire population to greet them with fanfare.
It is an interesting hypothesis, taking from what you are saying, I think that the planet that was the "invitation" was actually an invitation of some sort, and from there the creations were supposed to reach Paradise (which is a planet that receives all the other creations). Because as you are saying, the massive event plus the physical features of the population suggest that they are not original Engineers but creations as well. So in that planet (Paradise) all creations that "pass some sort of test" on a planet like the one we see in Prometheus, are joined together.
Though my hypothesis has flaws like: what the heck where humanity supposed to do on LV-223?, or why after millennia Engineers are still interested in their creations to worship them? (considering they are mortal, what relevance there is for them to receive worship from another being, task that was set upon them many generations earlier)
What do you think?
Background music is awesome btw perfect choice
Love your videos man, quality and you know your stuff and have great ideas!! Love that backround music too. Keep em coming
OK, I just reviewed the lifeboat scene and to my eyes, Mr. Engineer was not in any mood to try and reason with Shaw. He simply wanted her dead. Yes, he looked at the books, the video, and the chandelier but as soon as he found her he took a hostile position and wasn't interested in opening a dialogue. So, you have a huge physical mismatch between Shaw and Mr. Engineer, who already tipped his mindset when he murdered Ford, who was clearly no threat. Any moral high ground he might have held vanished at this point. Now it becomes survival, nothing more.
Even when Shaw turns the creature loose on him he still has an attitude problem. I'd bet that shortly before getting an ovipositor down his throat he regretted being an idiot. He proved that "you can't fix stupid" is a universal constant.
Now, if only they'd had phasers, things might have been a bit more even.
Right...like when Shaw asked the security detail why do you have a flame thrower, he replied for security, then Shaw said it's a scientific expedition, he replied... Good luck with that then.
I LOVE your videos.
Your theories could be a real script for another movie. Good work !
Honestly it is such a shame in my opinion. The film seemed rushed and we did not get much information about the engineers. I felt that the enginner had so much more potential as a character and the fact that they killed of Shaw was also ridiculous if you ask me. I would have loved to see (I know this seems a bit predictable) the engineer take Dr Shaw to his home planet, and then we could have some background info about the engineers!
*Insert scene of admiral Akbar saying “it’s a trap!”*
GREAT VIDEOS !!! Congratulations i'm a big fan of aleins trilogy , prometeus and alien covenat so thank you so much for that work of explaining all the other histories behind the time line !! Soo cool ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻🙏🏻🍀
Hey on the digital hd release on itunes theres another extra where david specifically suggests about Daniels will by the host for the queen! Just saw it today it explains alot:))
It’s amazing how humans know that we’re headed in the wrong direction yet nobody is willing to change
like people crying over roe vs wade cause killing babies on there final trimester is wrong far left woke dems think thats okay
@@colemanwalsh7477 Your arm is way out the socket
Well in Prometheus, when the crew enter alien ship you can see holographic animation of engineers being attacked by something .
If taken into account , maybe the engineers who survived that attack , came earth and created signs depicting , not to go there .
Don't forget the holographic log...they all ran from their contaminated colleague and used the door as a weapon. Fifield and his buddy later find a pile of Engineer skeletons, so no one survived the infestation.
I doesn't make sense for the engineers to show humans the place they don't want humans to go. If the engineers never revealed the location of LV 223 to us we would have no reason to go there and so we wouldn't.
Steel unless they understood how curious humans were and figured eventually humans would figure out how to travel through space and it was a warning of "go anywhere but here" which fits into the religious references through out the movie.
*"maybe the engineers who survived that attack , came earth and created signs depicting , not to go there"*
not possible since those archaeological invitations date many years, oldest being 35,000 years, and the engineer was asleep for 2000 years
That would be like making a sign that read "don't read this" and they are suppose to be intelligent, so no.
The only theory that makes any sense of the paintings is that they were an invite before the planet was turned into a wmd site. Maybe it became a trap later in time for the faction of engineers that were not interested in following the path of good and creation.
AkulaSpawn *moon. LV 223 is a moon of a Saturn-like planet
No, the 'invite' was not the cave drawing. The cave drawing is a crude tribal record of an actual in person 'invitation' to get on the damned ship, just like any African villager making a drawing of half their tribe being put on a boat to cross the Atlantic. That's not an 'invitation' to go somewhere nice. They were brought there precisely _because_ LV 223 is a WMD lab. You can't make WMD without raw materials, and it helps to have a few genetically enhanced slaves to continue the dirty work as well (hence the DNA match, which Shaw misinterprets as meaning that 'they' created 'us'.)
This is your best theory yet! 😀
I know it's a minor detail but Prometheus was a titan that sided with Zeus during the Titan/New Gods war. He was allowed to make the first human. He stole fire for humans so they could eat, keep warm, and defend themselves from the beast that roamed ancient times. Again small detail, great video.
, agreed. very good thought.
this was awesome
I wondered about this too, great to see someone made a video about it! I really like the second theory although I think it’s more likely just a plot hole considering how the movie is full of them otherwise ;)
Satan's sin was pride. He believed he was the equal of his creator. Weyland
and David commit the same error and are punished for it.
Thanks for all your great insight and videos. Everyone of them is worth watching , highly entertaining.
I really hope the next Movies bring some Answers...
I dont have any faith in that at this point. After rewriting David as a broken robot and killing Shaw off in Covenant, leaving the movie an ambiguous mess.....I'm not so sure we'll see a triumphant turnaround and finish. Possibly more ambiguous goo.....
Good theory! I largely agree.
I really like the three sets of theories that has just been mentioned.
Got it ! You used a slow motion audio digitizer for your slow drawl!!
whats the song in the background?
I like these explanation videos
i think you are missing a huge clue here these paintings according to the franchise timeline are 44 000 years old and are probably from a time where engineers still had faith in human kind which is obviously not the case anymore
The most recent one Shaw found is only 1400 years old.
The first clip in Prometheus was interesting only then they kinda got lost,, it could ve been more if they focussed on engineers. Nobody wants to see xenomorph I'd rather watch scary ghost movies
I’m here late and I don’t know if you corrected this. But Prometheus was a titan in Greek mythology. He gave nan fire and was punished
The soundtrack in the background.
Whats the name ?
Kroft always seems to have inside valid knowledge in interesting videos
I've been fascinated with "alien " since I was a child (like 12). But never really deeply dived into the subject. It first started when we got Prometheus, because everything starting with the title was speaking to us about deeper meaning of the story. Then I got to know that Ridley Scott always fought of Alien and Blade runner being in the same universe. My overall theory about is that Ridley Scott is both fascinated with the idea of God , of life creation, of pride and peoples god complex and also about AI. Mainly because I think he shares the belief that the more humans evolve and progress the more they loose their actual humanity - it's all in the themes of loosing ability to procreate, to making artificial intelligence that eventually turns on us and Is the end of human race. It is like saying humans can progress but they will always be flawned with pride, with wrong ambition and need to be tamed by some higher power. Life is created, out s a process but then it goes the natural way "the king has his reign and then he dies" , so nothing , no human should last forever. Also making artificial humans - androids ,you not only go against natural order of things but get yourself into dilemma ....should that artificial person have a soul ? The Blade runner replicant seems to have and not have it - he wants it, he wants more life so he understands feelings but also Replicants fall somwhere in between humans and robots , they are more complicated and it it further explored In Blade Runner 2049 that they can have children. The Prometheus comes later in 2089 when people already know that creating Replicants is wrong. But Peter Wayland created the first David as something really special because he not only learns to do thing but he teaches himself to have feelings ....maybe that is a malfunction but also maybe because he was abled by Wayland to have feelings (maybe to built a stronger connection to his creator because he wanted a "perfect son" and it's kind of implicated that he was not satisfied with his daughter -Vickers) made him malfunction because androids are not suppose to have feelings so he became emotionally unstable, furious, powered with all kinds of wrong emotion therefore ironically he is flawed with human flaws. It is also interesting that the next ship is called Covenant like the covenant arc that represents connection between humans and God. So I strongly believe that Ridley Scott (but also we have to remember that other directors and writers put their fought in creating alien franchise) was always interested in exploring humans and androids relationship and how the advanced state of humanity can actually be a downfall of it. Also Percent Shelley wrote Ozymandias but his wife created the Frankenstein monster - the souless creater. And it always stood out to me when In Prometheus Wayland introduced David as "closest to son" which made David happy but then added almost disappointed "but he has no soul" and that seem to make David sad and almost angry. But truly angry he seemed when he spoke to Holloway about the answer "we made you cause we could" - because it seems to say there is nothing that special about you , you are just a fancy toy we made out of boredom. And that made David thing that he to can play with "life making".
But that is just me overthinking it, right? :)
The biggest let down about the engineers was the space jockey.
Was hoping they would’ve introduced many more aliens, to have a galactic community ~
Would’ve been cool if we were “invited” as humanity’s technology has been improving faster than other species and they required assistance
A very interesting theory, I was also suspicious of why one should show a still "young" species where to keep weapons of mass destruction, if not as a test of maturity then only as a point for extinction. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
They didn't _show_ humanity where their weapons were. They selected more isolated people, and _took_ some of them as raw material. Look at the dates and locations of the cave paintings. These were done even at times when other parts of the world had cities and writing, but they chose isolated tribal humans. The cave paintings were painted by the survivors from the tribe, not by the so called Engineers.
@@jimbobeirethere were no cities 35,000 years ago....
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Only one of the cave paintings was 35,000 years old, the one from Scotland. The most recent one shown during the briefing was only 1,400 years old. Multiple visits would have been to isolated tribes at times when other societies had cities, writing, even libraries.
The best and perhaps most subtle part Is the fact that the Juggernaut's star maps haven't been updated in over 2000 years. Thanks to the solar system's rotation around the galactic core, the galaxy's movement towards Andromeda, and galactic oscillation our Engineer comes out of FTL where Earth was back in the day.
Great homework
Kroft, you need to di videos about Raised By Wolves
I like your newest theory that they were to kill earth with goo but never got off the ground
This is all cool and mind blowing
your accent is hilarious when paired with a storytelling narrative
I ALWAYS ENJOY YOUR CONTENT!!! KEEP IT UP. Pepple say u talkca little slow but that doesnt matter... Maybe RHEY are talking too fast!!! Lol ;-)
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!! THANKS! ;-)
I believe it was a warning - not to go there as a tree of life in parade she
The engineers didn't invite us to LV223; that was just one of the many stoopit things Shaw assumed to advance the dubious plot.
I think they need to make more movies like this, theres not enough showing whats out there!!!!!!!
This theme of Punishment in connection with Creation is just another version how utterly limited our concept of Life & The Universe really is : as if there are concepts of good and bad that carry with them notions of reward and punishment amongst the billions of planets, moons, black holes, quasars, red dwarfs, birth and death of innumerable galaxies....What incredible hubris/what utterly limited thinking.
Is that pipe music in the background from the install screen of GTA5?
Prophet Ascending no
Engineer wasn't aggressive at beginning.
Humans ruined first impression.
He even asked Why did we come?
Then Peter screw everything up with his performance comparing himself to God.
I believe if humans told engineer that we came in peace so we wanted to meet our creator, engineer would react differently but once he saw how they hit Shaw and compare themselves with God, engineer realised that we were monkeys.
All Ridley Scott had to do was track the crashed ship from Alien back to it's starting point. A bio weapon designed to change us into monsters? Not exactly. A drop of it makes a face hugger that plants a creature in something else? Sort of. A speck of it makes a Xenomorph but the whole thing is lethal like chemical warefare. It doesn't make sense. Humans as incubators in Aliens makes sense. An entire hive from one queen makes sense. In the next one David tinkers with it and makes the egg, facehugger and black Xenomorph but how does that translate to the original contagion in Prometheus? The assumption is it took a scientific exploration of the contagion to make the egg/drone version but where does that fit into the original story? And how does that explain the crashed ship in Alien... full of eggs from one infected engineer? Scott really blew it with the prequel story to one of the greatest sci fi movies ever.
Prometheus was punished to show and share knowledge with man kind and not for himself like the narrator on this video said! The knowledge was "fire".
Prometheus is the engineer that drinks that stuff and dies at the beginning?
Prometheus in greek language mean --- those who think preliminary, or previously before do something or anything..In latin lingua this mean directly == HOMO SAPIENS..SAPIENZA = Reason, Intelligence, Mind !!...
PROMETHEUS MYTH in Ancien Greek World was a grand sum total whole tale, or previos story to mankind, and the transition to new species--From Homo Erectus (semi-man) to ANTHROPOS = Thinking HUMANUM, Homo Sapiens !
+zonxo Prometheus was in greek mythology a protector for the mankind. at some time he was on the same side as the gods but when the gods made decisions that Prometheus didn't like he rebelled against them. in the end the gods captured him and decided to punish him by chaining him to a mountain and to make things worse, the gods sent an eagle that every day would hack out the liver. Prometheus remained there for a very long time until Hercules liberated him.
Prometheus is the same as lucifer. Fire is really “knowledge”.
4:45 is my favorite theory
What s the name of the music in the background?
I wish you would combine all these together into one
What is the image at 4.28? Very very interesting I’ve not seen that depicted before. The body on the alter, the eggs surrounding the alter, the space jockey gun.... it’s just a crazy image
My idea for an alien tv-series is as follows: It takes places just before the events in the first alien movie and happens on a planet near where the nostromo spaceship
is shipping ore.Weyland-Yutani is on the planet and have terraformed it for years,when they discovers a cave with lots of xenomorph eggs.
One of them get's infected and a xenomorph is born.It turns out to be a queen,and a lot of the Weyland-Yutani humans are infected and then
a war breaks out.All the humans on the planet are wiped out and only a few manage to escape in a spaceship.Then they nuke the planet from orbit.
Then Weyland-Yutani regrets the decision and a hunt for the xenomorph begins.They get a tip that there's a crashed spaceship on lv426 and sends
the robot ash on the Nostromo spaceship.But they are informed that the mission has failed and that Nostromo has gone missing.Then Weyland-Yutani get's
a tip about an xenomorph on Fiorina161 and sends a team of researchers there.They finds a surviving prisoner that is impreagnated and a queen is born.
Weyland-Yutani then wants to use the xenomorphs on the planets where the engineers are located because they want the technology to seed planets with life.
They also want the elixir that provides humans with prolongued life.
Very cool, David is basically a god and worthy of it thru intelligence.
We need all 3 movies with Ridleys director cuts, these deleted scenes make a different movie.