*SISU! Be Of Stoic Determination* Talvisota - The Winter War Sabaton History 006 [Official]
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7:26 Forgotten Weapons has a video on it, it's called "Suomi m/31 - Finland's Excellent Submachine Gun"
I remember stories my father told me about the winter war, his grandfather was a volunteer from Sweden, drove supplies over the ice in the northern parts of the baltic in the middle of the night, without any lights. He also remember him telling how ashamed my great grandfather was of our own government, that we didnt help more.
On the subject of how cold it can be, I would think somewhere between-20 to -40 during the winter war.
Oh my god. 🥶 Absolutely awful
@@AmericansLearn With proper winter clothes it's not that bad, the problem for the soviets was that the Soviet HQ thought condoms and silk stockings for victory party were more important then proper winter gear, including having green uniforms during the winter war (at least early parts), while we (well collectively as I was born decades after the war) had white jackets for every soldier even though the Finnish Defense Force had lack with pretty much everything else. Oh and that's -20 to -40 Celsius.
@@SampoPaalanen Lol, well put, mate. Any condoms and silk stockings might've been put to good use, had the Winter War turned into a long-drawn trench war though...
One that might help Americans to visualise the weather is that Finland is on the same level with Alaska & (northern) Canada.
This is true, although thankfully the climate is generally slightly milder, so some parts of Finland would be closer to more southern Canada (with southern Finland of course being usually warmer than Lapland). I also believe many of the Finns who moved to the american continent a century ago, opted to settle in Minnesota and the nearby regions in the Canadian side, as the environment was familiar enough there.
@@HeapOfBones That's true. The Gulf Stream brings warm water to the coast of Finland, so it is warmer here than it would otherwise be. In parts of Siberia which are at the same height as Finland, temperature might be over minus 40 degrees Celsius for long periods, whereas in Finland it is rarely under minus 30. 😅 Unfortunately the Gulf Stream might be in danger as climate and thus streams change.
@@karirytkonen5811 KariRytkösKari you'd know better than you were as to type down what's the temperature at winter time above the Salpausselän harja. Unless you've forgot to check out the weather forecasts around on new year. 🙈🚫😹
Minus 30° Celsius all around from the middle to eastern FIN 🇫🇮, not to mention northern parts from that... 😉
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@@jaskau2462 That's true. The further from the sea and the further to the north it is colder and minus 30 is not so uncommon there. 😅 I live in Jyväskylä, which is part of the so called Central Finland, which is funny in it self as there is still 1000 km to the northern parts of Finland and only 300 km to the southern parts of Finland.
Pretty sure Helsinki on the southern coast is almost exactly on the same latitude as Anchorage in Alaska.
For the weapon there is video name is (Suomi m/31 - Finland's Excellent Submachine Gun) from Forgotten Weapons
The winterwar in Finland is one of the coldest winter with temperatures between -20 to -40 Celsius , the highest with -47 celsius
No thanks. That's terrible
@@AmericansLearn I think that Chicago in a windy winter day is not that much different from typical winter day in Finland. Wind blowing over a large body of water is the "no thanks" thing for me.
Your comment also kind of shows that you understand the severity of the problem. It takes experience.
@@AmericansLearn In the middle parts of Finland, we can still get -20°C once or twice in winter. I think here, near Tampere, last winter's the lowest was -23°C.
@@AmericansLearn On the other hand, I think the highest temperature in the same region was +27°C this summer.
@@BlaecHrim MIDDLE parts? It was -22 C in Helsinki couple of weeks ago. :D Now granted, this usually does not last long but -15 to -24 is typical even in Helsinki for like 1-2 weeks a couple of times during one winter. And considering that Helsinki is a coastal city in the very south of Finland, during cold periods in Helsinki, it is way colder in most other areas of Finland. I just checked that Tampere was hitting like -27,4 C and some other areas in Pirkanmaa almost -30 C. In Kuusamo temp was almost -40 C.
So yeah, -40 C in mid Finland is uncommon but not impossible at all. Also, the difference between east and west is probably notable because sea moderates temperatures on the coastal west. And Russian came from the east.
As a half Swede (other half being British), I applaud the Finns for their bravery in that war
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cause had you been full british you would have told them to go f themselfs?
I believe thet Forgotten Weapons made an episode on the Suomi Submachine Gun.
The boat to Finland is like one of my favorite place on earth. And its not just a boat like any one else. Its the arch prototype of every modern cruse ship. The ships (two sisters ) was huge when it was built, but to current standard they are just mid size.
Both my grandfathers, as well as several of my great uncles, fought in the winter war, and I have actually gotten the chance to read through the journal that my grandpa from my dad's side kept during the war. He also occasionally liked to note down things about the weather in that journal.
As for your question about temperatures, they're not exaggerating when they say this winter was among the coldest on record. The temperature occasionally dropped as low as -40 celsius (which, incidentally, is also -40 in fahrenheit). According to some sources (not confirmed though), it got as cold as -45C (-49F). Even during relatively warmer periods, temperatures between -20C (-4F) and -30C (-22F) would've been pretty common.
For context, winter weather nowadays (in the south) usually goes back and forth between about +5C (41F) and -15C (5F), with occasional short-term drops between -20 and -30 C, though even those seem to get rarer year by year.
Also as a caveat, Finland is almost 1000km (a bit over 600 miles) long on a north-south axis. So the weather way up north is gonna be veeery different from the weather down south at any given moment.
there is a Finnish soldier that sabaton hasn't done anything on called Aimo Koivunen, and count dankula (who you've watched once before) did a video on him called the soldier who took all the meth.
its a wild story.
Something to look into for sure
@@AmericansLearnthe fat electrician did a video on aimo also really funny
@@AmericansLearn Also if you haven't heard of Lauri Törni that's another interesting dude, "Officer of 3 armies".
As for Indy's World War 2 channel, that is a massive undertaking to watch the weekly episodes, but they have specials and one that you HAVE TO do is about sir Carton de Wiart when you get to the Sabaton song called The unkillable soldier, the sabaton history episode for that song goes only for his WW1 exploits, but that dude did some badass stuff during WW2 as well, so you need to watch them together for the best experience!
FInally! Lets gooooo! Sisu is one of the best movies made in a long time. In 1999 it got pretty cold.. -60.7F But average is in the 20's. I love the fact that we used to plant frozen soviet corpses around to mentally destroy the enemys will and even used as a road sign. Any aggressor gets no mercy at these lands, there is only death here :)
Not from Finland here but northern Sweden, so I believe it's rather similar. -20c (or -4f in America units) in the middle of winter is your average temp, pretty nice day. In towns we usually get -28c (-18.4f) at that point it's not cold, it just hurts. But if you go out to the more remote villages everyone will remember facing -40c (-40f). I've only experienced -34c when you feel little, mostly tingled which we should all is a really bad
One thing to remember about Finland was that it only became an independent nation in 1917. Before that it had been colonised by Russia for over a century, and they took it from the Swedes who had been in charge for hundreds of years before that. That freedom was precious. The Winter War showed that the Western Allies were not going to do anything to help them against Russia (their old colonisers), and attempts to arrange an alliance with Sweden (their even older colonisers) failed, which is why they felt they had to team up with Germany for Jatkosota (the Continuation War). They kept as much distance from the Nazis as possible while fighting alongside them against the USSR, and most people don't see they really had much choice; it ended pretty badly for Finland, but at least they weren't swallowed. You can understand why the country still has conscription with popular support!
Finland was never colonised by Sweden , finns are very proud people , nothing you colonise without a fight , if this had been true , there would have been many uprisings much like in Scania , former belonging to Denmark.
@@matso3856 you might want to hit the history books. We were ruled over by Sweden, for a period of time, and part of Sweden - had to house, feed and provide troops for Swedish wars, even, and were not happy about that. There were uprisings. 'Nuijasota' - the Cudgel War, for example.
@@TheObscureRambler And how was that different from the people of Dalarna or Blekinge ?
@@matso3856 like I said, get some history books. Stop asking me and read. Might spout a bit less misinformation that way?
@@TheObscureRambler You are the perfect exampel of Dunning-Kruger effect , I'm trying to prevent misinformation and if you had been well read up you would have noticed that my question have punctured your argument. So please stop projecting and try and follow your own advice
You asked about some behind the scenes and the one i would suggest would be Episode 101 from the History channel. It was made after they have gone through every song and were basically saying that it isnt endimg but going on hiatus. In this video they then did a Bloopers compilation and funny moments from the Videos.
If you want to learn more check out "white death" sabaton and sabaton history did a number this legendary snipper.
Indeed, finnish hairdressers are legendary. ;)
-42 degrees Celsius is the coldest I've experienced outside in Finland. The winter of 1939-40 saw those kind of temperatures further south than usual.
You can't take your hat or your gloves off for long at all. A ski mask or a scarf covering your face is also necessary because your jaw will get stiff making it difficult to speak.
The coldest temperature measured in my Millennial lifetime was approximately -55 degrees Celsius.
Meanwhile, summers are getting hotter by the year.
I have been told (reliably) that Finnish sauna is the reason for Finland's excellence in metal.
That's where some quality metal bands have been forged.
How cold it gets?
-Only about 25-30 minus celcius normally.
Though I've lived and got my car working as low as -37C, but that low is unusual.
Talvisota is also IIRC the war where one of the most famous Finns, Simo Hayha, fought. He is better known as the White Death
Well since you asked it really depends. In the heart of winter (Dec - Mar) it usually is fairly "warm" +5C - -20C in southern part. Those colder days area usually very rare. But above arctic circle or even down to middle it can easily be be -25C - 35C for long time during these current winters. Maybe even below that but it is very rare these days. But still cold enough to kill you in 30 minutes if you get deep wound during winter.
In the north of Finland, the coldest I've experienced was -47 C, and in the south I believe it was somewhere between -34 C and -38 C, but this is exceptional, like once in 40 years. -25 to -30 is not unusual in the south, but it doesn't happen every winter. Lows of -20 to -25 is pretty normal around january-february, unless the winter is exceptionally warm, but the averages tend to be a bit higher.
fun fact Sir Christopher Lee was in winter war.
Winter 1939/1940 was pretty sure the coldest in the 20th century, easily one of the coldest. In northern lapland it reached -45°C every few days. Not a single day had weather above freezing, every single day was below freezing and especially before mid february it was more often than not below -30°C. Coldest recorded in my area, in the middle part of finland, this year was -42°C and coldest in the winter war was -53°C in the mountains, coldest at the battlefields was -47°C
My grandfathers diary from winterwar was -40-50°C equal to same farenheit. Cold as hell.
1939 winter was one of the coldest in Finland. The coldest temperatures were below -40 degrees Celsius. In a normal winter here in Central Finland, where I live, a few days in winter is less than -30. Typically between -5 and -25 degrees Celsius.
I saw Sisu when it came to theaters, and a particular expression came to mind immediately; "Beware of old men in a profession where men often die young!" It's a good movie, but there are times when you have to suspend your sense of disbelief.
Sisu is a good movie. Better than I expected.
in january temp goes down to-30celcius in a regular basis here in eastern finland, thats around -22 Fahrenheit
LOL...as I expected...my message talking about other videos and channels was instantly deleted by YT. 🤣🤣
I so feel your pain I’ve been struggling all day with it no matter how much I try to edit my comment to appease yt somehow. Literally had 33 comments of mine deleted and most of them are one comment I’ve just tried to edit.
I tried to remind him if he forgot or didn’t see about the one last TIK video we suggested he react to after the oil video called Fall Blau. But it gets deleted.
I just want at least one last reaction from TIK on that video. Split up ofc but CZcams doesn’t want me to ask for it.
After all in both part 1 and 2 of the oil vid reactions a lot of us asked him to react to that video.
@@melkor3496 The shittiest part of it is that plenty of other folks are using the names of other channels, and YT does not do anything...it is just us "frequent posters". YT is such a moronic platform.
@@brudnick39 Agreed.
The temperature got as low as -43 C (-45 F)
Here in Oulu, it is usually -30 c, but at that time it was -40 c
here in Finland it is about 10-30 degrees below zero
Once I was in the forest on a hike, and I slept in the snow at night, the temperature was -33 c.
Best way to start the video: make us think for a split second that you're flipping the camera off
Thank's 👍
The weather forecast promised -35 celcius to the north for tonight. And it's still November.
And if you're asking, it can get to - 40 celsius around here. - 30 is not rare. I have a memory of my early life being 8 or 9 years old in Lapland at new year, and it was - 42 degrees. It was so cold, that i couldnt't stay out longer than five minutes, even with proper clothes.
Did not like the sisu movie but Unknown Soldier on the other hand is very underrated imo
Sisu (the movie) is what action movies were in the 80's and 90's. Think "Commando" and "Rambo" and every other such over the top action flick of the times.
Forgotten Weapons channel has video about Suomi KP-31.
Our winters can be so harsh as minus 50 degrees celcius.
My grandfather fought behind the russian bourders as 17yrs old kid. Got hit by grenade, remembered when he got carried away as it were yesterday- at 95yrs old. Passed away to bloodloss when got by his own 😮 and got back to frontline after three weeks, almost covered. Lost his hear and feel from hands, his wrists were both thorn.
He were the best teacher for us, was only happy to make it alive. Teached us a great lessons of people, how they let the prisoners be one of them. And the SISU. He, and my father have not told me a word about the SISU, but i have grown into it.
In southern Finland almost every year at least has temperatures below negative 20 Celsius at some point but I don't remember ever having negative 30C (again in the south). Often, at least nowadays 0 to negative 10 is what we have for long periods though fighting a war close to zero might be force that around negative 10 to 15 just because things get wet easily and wet + cold is worse than dry and bit colder, way worse.
Cold as HELL here!!!
Sisu movie is propably the best movie of this year. :)
WW2 channel is probably too much content for a react channel and it kinda relies on viewers watching everything in order to get full context of each episode (1 episode = 1 week of WW2 + all of the specials that could double or triple the episode count). But if u are willing to put in the time it's a great series going into just enough details to keep it interesting and get the understanding of the war at the same time. To some extent u could get by watching only the episodes that cover the time period of the major events that u are interested in, like invasion of Poland at the start, the Winter War, the fall of France or their minute by minute series about the attack on Pearl Harbor and some of the specials about equipment or biographies but like i said this channel is just not made for selective watching.
The Timeghost channel is more interesting here because there isn't as many episodes and they are more suitable for standalone watching, 3 examples from that channel would be short series about Suez Crisis, Cuban Crisis and episodes about Polish-Soviet war.
About how cold it can get here. During winter war it was between -30C° to -50C° dependign where you were stationed and what time of day it was.
Now, how cold does it can get nowadays. Somewhere between -20C° to -40C°, depending where you live.
During my conscription time back in 2011, we had an live fire exercise at Vuosanka, which is close to the russian border. It was february, I was waiting in line for breakfast. On one of wall there was a small thermometer. According to that thermometer it was -53C°. Now that beign said I highly doubt the correctness of that reading, but that's what it showed. It was cold enough that it physically hurt to breath.
yes check out ww2, there they are VERY thorough, even have made hour by hour 24 hour specials for big events, latest was D-day 24 hour coverage in "real timeç just few short years later.
It can be -22 degrees Fahrenheit here in Finland
Been enjoying the 2nd historyreaction for today. Enjoyable as ever. I do encourage you to watch SISU if you can, its a fun movie.😂
I live in Northern Ostrobothnia and the coldest temperature I have seen is -35°C
It gets cold. This week it has been near -30C a week now. And Im not living at north at all.
One mess up with Molotov coctails was that the alcohol company that produced them (Finland might be the only place to produce Molotov cocktails industrially) had their logo in the cap or something so Soviets figured where the bottles were coming from and bombed the factory.. No wonder the alcohol company bought AA guns and built flak-towers to protect their factory. Here's a video about that (English subtitles): czcams.com/video/UFBF0GUz8I8/video.html
Gets cold, we are equipped for that, no major problems with that.
Question to host: what is it like. to stand in presence of your primarch
Talvisota, thats when the popular "Molotov Cocktail" was born...or at least the Name. Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov told the international press, that the planes are no Bombers, but they bring bread to the "starving" Finns...So the Finns gave a nice Drink to the Soviet Tanks. So the Name "Molotov Cocktail" was born. Kippis my friends! PS: Note to me, watch it before writing :P
The sub-machine gun is know as "Suomi-Kp/31"= "Suomi Sub-machinegun/31". It was considered as a best a sub-machinegun of the World War 2, and it definitely was the edge against the soviets, at least in the Winter War. It was made by the legendary weaponsmith Aimo Lahti. It was the right tool when facing supreme numbers unnoticed.
The WWII in real time is well a time commitment. I would say do the specials, maybe parts or all of Pearl Harbor minute by minute but the weekly episodes are, while fun to watch hard to react to sometimes
The smg in the video is Suomi KP-31
This winter minus 40 degree celsius.
Thing with fighting during a winter is, ultimately, that anything below 0 is dangerous - and, in fact, even around 0 things get REALLY dangerous really fast albeit problems are a bit different. -30 C you just freeze. If temp dangles around 0, you get wet and THEN you freeze and at that point even -2 C is able to kill you quite fast.
One of the things that saved Finland is that Finnish army understood this. Obviously Finns were clothed appropriately and knew how to keep warm but, for example, Finns were also always offered a hot meal by army cooks. It was very important to keep Finnish bellies warm. This occasionally saved Finns in a different way too; there was a case where Russians attacked Finnish camp and did manage to push Finns out but when they saw warm pots full of food they could not withstand the temptation and swarmed around those to eat. Finns regrouped and counter-attacked causing Russians to rout.
But this was a harrowing war. Our boys came back crippled and mentally broken. Not just because of what was done to them but what they had to do to others. Sometimes Russians were sent over open areas (often frozen lakes) to be moved down by Finnish machine gun units. While this was of course horrible for Russians and Finns could "just" sit and kill enemy by the hundreds, Finnish machine gun operators were badly traumatized by this. No wonder, I would be too...
It wasn´t the cold winter of 1941 or 42 that stopped the Nazis in USSR. The winter effected the Russian soldiers just as bad, if not worse.
What stopped them was the lend lease agreement. Historians on both USSR and allied side have tried to downplay this, for the western side due to the equipment would later be used against the allies in Korea.
The reason the Soviets agreed to an armistice is they heard Simo Häyhä had regained consciousness...
#RESPECT
17 years ago ve have in Kittilä 123.8°F (51 deg. C) that was similar tempature that was then
The winter of 1939-40 was exceptionally cold with the Karelian Isthmus experiencing a record low temperature of −43 °C (−45 °F) on 16 January 1940.
If you want to see some more content about the Winter War and Finland, I highly recommend this excellent, short documentary: czcams.com/video/hFtcERLYbDA/video.html ^^ Would be an honour to see you react to it?
Its get cold up here in Finland. We are one of the most northen country of the world.
minus 10 to 50 :D (celsius)
Curiously Finland was armed to the teeth during the cold war, but nobody said a word. I still find guns and bombs from my grandfather, he used to hide them in case the soviets would invade again. Finland concepted the doctrine of "total defense" where almost all of the workable people can be mobilized at any point. Also the infrastructure and engineering was built to sustain devastating nuclear bombardment, while all the bridges and railroads were rigged to explode.
Also, Finnish general Nenonen developed a mathematical system to issue direct artillery strikes on a moment's notice. The accuracy of the artillery left the soviets baffled during the push towards west europe. Later his methods were taken into consideration as tactical strikes, rather than "bombardment".
Indi has Several CZcams channels he follows the WW1 and WW2 Every single day of the wars, not sure if it is reaction type content but i highly recommend it for people who like history
It might be of interst to do a video on the fact that 70000 children were sent over to Sweden during the war in Finland between 1939 to 1945. I was one of these children ewacuated in 1944.
Today is only -32C
It was -35 C, few weeks ago 😂
My grandad was in winter war (and other wars...). He always did say, that some day Russia will attack again to some smaller country. Not if. When. Luckily he is not here to see all what is going on.
CZcams is deleting a comment from me and all I’m doing is suggesting a video from TIK for reaction.
I will split it up into two or three parts instead so please read all my comments so you don’t miss it.
A lot of us hoped you can react to that as your next video from TIK since you did the oil video. Whenever you can ofc and also split it up is suggested.
Fall Blau video from TIK
Yt is cracking down hard on my comment no matter how much I edit it. But will keep trying.
The first response is part 2 of my comment because the other part got yeeted.
Check forgotten weapons for information about the Suomi.
As for Stalin's birthday, I'd assume that it's unknown because he was an uneducated thug, who probably was never told his real birthday as no one left alive could be bothered remembering.
czcams.com/video/xsRjmq5x938/video.html Sabaton and Nigel: Simo Häyhä
You really need to google what an actual, proper Molotov Cocktail looks like. There are no cloths set aflame. It's a specific recipe of petrol and tar mixture to produce fire and extensive amount of smoke which burns for a longer duration. It has a sealed cap, and two sets of all-weather bengali matches taped around it. There are two incase the bottle won't break at the first throw, so you can easily reignite it. They were obviously used during winter warfare, and snow has the ability to soften the landing if it misses. It was infact produced on an industrial level, and used as an antitank weopon thrown into the air intake of a battle tank.....
I liked Sisu its more over the top than i was thinking it was going to be tho😅
It gets cold sometimes :)
Not too bad :)
Sisu 4/5⭐
Its easy now to say what was wrong back then. Without any other help, Germany gave help. And we survived.
Sisu movie was great! A tarantino-esque brutal over the top action comedy pumped with testosterone. Highly recommend it, though you shouldn't watch it expecting to see a realistic war-movie ;D
winter temperatures does not really matter in Finland as people have always prepared to survive winter no matter how cold it gets, Finns are real preppers !
If finland would have helped germany in leningrad and some other places it might be different story for soviet. But finns didnt want to kill civilians
First part of winter war was not cold it was actually mild, easy to fact check for anyone. Yes it got colder later and thats when some reporters arrived and froze their butts.
Sisu movia was funny. references to lapland war (when we had to kick our nazi allied out)
From - 30 to - 40 celcius
25-45celsius
At first i thought you were giving the middle finger in the beginning but you were just snapping your fingers xD if you pause it at 3 seconds it kinda looks like that.
Winners write history........
Tortilla tai jotai
Facts.... I hate it when they get them wrong. I mean "not even 30km" is not far off, but it was roughly 32km....
How bad is it in Finland? Tuesday. Southernmost Finland is roughly around mid Hudson Bay. NY, Illinois, Vancouver, next to tropical to us. (Yes, I'm kidding! Except the facts are facts. Check out google maps.)
i sey JEEEEEE in Finland..I live here free
WW2 was historically insane winter colds. It's not normal, the areas talked mostly in this video normally even in 1980s it was about -10-15. In that 1939 it was over -40 celcius so insane colds. Honestly what is the weather when humans go insane and want to fully fight around large areas, always winters go crazy too at that time. Like Napoleon invading Russia winter really wasn't normal then either and saved them. Honestly for our modern world decision of Hitler to invade Russia saved Europe. We would be Nazi German still if Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany had decided to be allies and turn their military might more to south like Germany going for Africa and Soviet just doing whatever it wanted but Europe.
One can often see the claim that by war USSR got what it had wanted from Finland or even more, and thus for the Finns war had been pointless. Not exactly so, when we compare Stalin’s original areal demands to the new goal which he set when the invasion started. The new goal was conquest of Finland.
On 1 December 1939, Soviet Union formed a puppet government for a new state called Finnish Democratic Republic, headed by a Finnish exile communist Otto Wille Kuusinen. This puppet government was established in the part of Finnish Karelia occupied by the Soviets. Stalin wanted to get this puppet government to Helsinki and make Finland a communist vassal state. That plan did not work, because Finnish Army stopped the Soviet attack at Viipuri (Vyborg) level. After the war, the puppet government was disbanded in 1940.
Funny, but during the current war, the Russians sent their Arctic 200th and 80th brigades to Ukraine, along with specialized equipment, where they suffered heavy losses, especially 200. Of course, it is not a problem for Russia to replenish men and equipment (mainly with ordinary equipment and people after 2 weeks of training), but these are no longer true "arctic" formations. well, in case of trouble, the Russians probably plan to traditionally fight in the Arctic with mobiks from Dagestan
near 40celsius at worst
it was not a bad idea of hitler to attack the soviets, in fact in the beginning of the war his forces created inmense pockets, more than 2 million soviet soldiers captured, the problem for hitler was the france and poland instability, the useless italian high command, the bad strategy in the invasion of the caucassus and stalingrad and most importantly the soviet rebuilding, which was incredible unexpected and impressive, I guess being the biggest country in the world had it's advantages
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