Terrible Teen Twins or Victims? - Jas and Tas Whiteland | Mystery & Makeup - Bailey Sarian
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I am really interested in hearing what you all have to say about this week's episode. The twins obviously shouldn’t have done that to their mom, but…it’s not like they were in the best situation. Is this really a crime of passion…or just teenage rebellion that went too far?
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GAKIRAH BARNES 13 YEAR OLD FEMALE ASSASIN FROM CHICAGO
Every oh so Monday you make videos lol
Yay ur Back missed u
Please write a book
"Us" identical twins do have the same teeth, other than like cavities and or like crowns fillings but the same bite marks. Same DNA too
You can’t just take children away from their primary caregiver because you’ve decided you’re ready to be a mother.. 13 years later
Frer
True but come on
They are psychopaths
I fully agree that’s where this tragedy stemmed from
And you can't just off your mother because you don't want to live with her🙄🤡
@@wednesdayschildfullofwoe totally agree
Am I the only one who likes to let her videos pile up so I can binge watch them? 😂😂
absolutely not 😭
Nope girl I’m just now getting to this one since I let them pile up! 😂
I feel so validated right now 😅
i do it too
I do the same!
This is why the court system needs to listen to what the children want. The fact that they kept on giving Nikki custody of them and pushing counseling to force mending on that relationship when it wasn’t ready to be mended, it doesn’t always end with violence or death in the home, but it most certainly doesn’t end well. COURTS NEED TO LISTEN TO THE CHILDREN.
I think they only wanted to live with their great gma because she was old and they could do whatever they want. Not because it was necessarily the "best" place for them.
I wonder what the whole truth is.. what the home with Della REALLY best for them? Curious about the conditions. Same for the home life with their mother. We will never know the WHOLE story.. what went on behind closed doors. Definitely a sad situation though..
@@thatamandahenderson I don’t think that’s it.. before she started trying to take them they were straight A students, athletes, dancers.. their great grandmother kept them busy with proper activities. As soon as the stress of being pulled away as teenagers that’s when they acted up. And they would watch her cheat, party, not be a real mom. This has to drive them insane. It’s just tragic walk around and someone should have listened to them. At 16 it should have been their choice.
Oh my dear! I strongly agree! I believe the child’s feelings should be taken into consideration big time! Especially if they are old enough to speak and speak well for themselves!
@@thatamandahendersonbut if we look at how their behaviors had changed from living with great grandma to the behaviors living with “mom”. The girls were actually doing well under the only mother figure they had. Their grades didn’t slip until they were forced to move away. The school wasn’t calling home for any reason prior to the shift in homes. I dunno, it still doesn’t justify the twins’ behavior at all. They were very much old enough to know right from wrong here.
As someone who had an absent parent, I feel for the twins. You can’t suddenly decide to be a mom one day. I was a child in that position and it’s so hurtful. You’re reconciling feelings of abandonment and it’s like the parent doesn’t even care for the damage that was done, they want to be a parent bc they want to fix their ego, not bc they care for you. Especially when they try to be strict all of a sudden and then want you to respect and love them for it! It just doesn’t work. The courts and therapist majorly failed the whole family. They never should’ve been taken from della, she was their parent and they literally had no issues, she was projecting her experiences onto her daughters and it just made things worse. Im sure something more was going on in the background too for the level of violence that came from this. Poor kids.
You're clearly not a mother and if you are you have no empathy.
I think it was Della's fault ALL the children she raised turned out to be like that. She didn't discipline them when they get older. Basically being a mom for their childhood but simply a roommate after. Teens minds are still developing, instead of continuing to nuture them, she simply stopped and let them do whatever they want.
This right here!! Yes!! Exactly!! Nikki was so selfish!
@@moniekafortner6921selfish? She is being beaten up by her daughters but she took it and owned up to it. The end does not justify the means. Entitlement that they should be in control. Didnt you ever had a mistake but after you wanted to fix it?
@mikeydoodle143 owned up to it? When? She was just fine with her life until her new man decides he wants a family. So she takes her daughters from the only stable family they've known. If she had really owned up to her mistakes she would have considered the metal wellbeing of her children b4 her own wants.
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I love your energy
I also really feel for Dela(?)
She had to be a mother not once, not twice, but three separate times in her life and she did it every time. Honestly she was a champ.
Was she though? She raised three generations of dysfunctional women from what I heard.
I was thinking the same, wow
True! Shout out to Dela!!
Yeah I think that could have been part of Nikki's motivation to try and be responsible for her own children. I was thinking it must be hard to still be a mom for a third generation of kids and kept wondering how the great grandmother felt about having the kids all this time, it must have been hard.
I agree! I love her. As someone with close friends who’ve had to be raised by their Grandmothers, I salute this woman ❤.
Bailey: “but no judgement”
Bailey: “cmon that’s like dating ur dad”
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You can't just be like "hey girls I feel like being ya momma now" n think that's how stuff works n that it's gonna go well.
But it shouldn't result in death.
Can we just take a moment and applaud Grandma Della for raising her kids, her granddaughter, and great-granddaughters basically by herself. That woman sounds like a Saint 🙏🏻🙌🏻
No Fr. She did it ALL 👏🏽👏🏽
are we thinking of the same person? she raised a daughter who wasn't there for her daughter, who wasn't there for the twins. No mention if the twins had any discipline about their violent issues causing them to have a record and continue to do it. I'm no perfect parent and I believe she was definitely doing the best she could, but all the adults were. I also feel the courts let them down as well, and after multiple issues with police involved the girls should have had a vacation at a behavioral camp. Della probably wanted to make up for having a distant daughter with her parenting the twins. Who knows, tho.. none of us were there. But I don't think she's a saint.
Stop praising a women who created problematic children & passed down or created generational traumas that lead to this end. 🙄
it's actually said that dela had zero rules and basically let the girls do whatever they wanted, she let her daughter do whatever she wanted, then she let her granddaughter, then she let her great granddaughters. there was no accountability for actions and there was no punishments
Girl, you have no idea. I went to middle school with them and worked in the jail that tas was in until their sentencing and Della had special soaps and detergent even approved for them when no one else had that. Della went hard for those girls.
“All you want is for your mom to be a mom” was a very hard hitting thing to hear because yes, it’s so true. Growing up with a less than stellar mother, you spend a lot of nights crying yourself to sleep thinking you did something wrong when all you needed was your mama.
My mom currently has a rare disease that’s within her sisters but she has it worse with her brain shrunken to the size of a 8 year old & she’s basically a dementia patient but 20x worse and way younger . It’s hard being 16 and having to live everyday seeing your mom in that condition that you just completely lose all of your memories of your real mom. All you think about is what you did to deserve it and try to grasp on old memories of your mom there’s nothing much to do but just keep in mind it’s never your fault you didn’t do anything wrong to deserve losing your mom or just never having one in the first place
Gee thanks I needed to cry again...I can unfortunately understand exactly what you mean. And I'm sorry to everyone that understands that feeling
I'm so sorry for all of you. Being a mom should have a license to be one. ❤🙏❤
Facts. Mine could never be a mom. Sometimes I get kind of jealous of my friends who have a great relationship with theirs.
@@thequeenofwitches7943 I hope you overcome this and treat you babies, if you plan on having any, way better. My mom is also a narcissist and my kids were brought up so much better. I turned the cycle and treated them like they shoukd be, princesses!! At my age now, my mom is a whole lot worse now. It's really sad.
My only problem with this story is that nikki kept fighting for custody even though she was getting BEATEN by her kids every. single. time. i do not understand that part of it at all.
“Nikki was trying” FOR HER. SHE WAS TRYING FOR HERSELF
still shouldn't result in death.
I’m an identical twin and one time my sister was in Reno, NV and I was in LV,NV and that night I accidentally busted my shin open and needed 21 stitches on my leg and that same night my twin sister called me crying while I was in the ER and she said she wasn’t sure why she was crying but she had a giant urge to cry and check in on me ! One of our best examples of twin telepathy/quantum entanglement !!
that sounded so painful i hope you're doing a lot better now! and wow it's so nice to know that the concept of soulmates is very much real in twins ❤
My 8 year olds do that too! It freaks me out 😂
Wow
Great grandma was their mom, taking a child away from the person who acted as mom, especially a teenager, and having them live with another family member who is now trying to lay down a new law and is taking actions that are only adding more and more and more stress to your life during an already stress filled period is the perfect catalyst for what happened here.
especially combining the fact that they knew they were left by their mom; so she could live her own life.
This situation is so sad because it seems like nobody ever just asked what the girls wanted. Why do people never just respect what children actually want and need? They will just tell you. Nobody ever just asked them ‘who do you want to stay with?’ And respected that. It’s tragic.
@@poopoopeepee5850 I agree. I always ask my children what they want. It makes life so much easier. I'm not buying them ponies but I'm not failing to recognize and fulfill their desires for their life.
Seriously. I’m not saying I condone what they did, but I can see it from the twins’ point of view. Totally agree with this statement.
Amen
My dad is a twin and he always said the worst part growing up was people assuming that he and his brother were basically the same person, with the same interests, aspirations, etc. rather than seeing them as individuals.
I went to school with twins and i dont understand this mentality cuz both boys were SO different. They were both pretty intelligent and they were identical. Their temperaments were on WAY different scales. One was definitely meaner 😅
Edit: also, the mean one was more into video games and cars and the nice one loved books and stuff
Yes, it totally bugs me when it happens to me and my twin sister too.
I was in prison with these two in 2016/2017. They caused so much chaos together that they weren't allowed to live in the same dorm, but it continued so they shipped one of them somewhere else in the state. They were constantly fighting people and going to the hole.
If you don't mind my asking, how have been adjusting to life since then?
@@loliwelch9151 that is way personal to ask
They are both menaces!
"Teens be teenin" goes on the list of iconic Bailey lines 😂
i need a t-shirt with this lol
Bailey if you wanna write a book.. it needs to be a memior of all your lines not your notes.. cause I hope your lingo is trade marked lol
She’s hilarious
@@Fancym80 yes.
I would buy that book
@@Fancym80 Yes.. I would absolutely buy a book of "Bailey Sarien" quotes. 🤣 Love her sooo much!
As a kid who had an absent mother and was forced to be to raised by my grandma, I understand the anger and resentment the twins held when their mom decided to want them on HER terms. I resented my mother for a long time after she left me and came back when she wanted. It doesn’t matter how much you try to make up for it.
😊
I’m saying like everyone mad at the girls I’d be mad asl
And it makes you even angrier especially me bc my mom tried so hard when I was a teen to be my mom but I was so used to her being mentally absent that I hated it and resented her
I think it was Della's fault ALL the children she raised turned out to be like that. She didn't discipline them when they get older. Basically being a mom for their childhood but simply a roommate after. Teens minds are still developing, instead of continuing to nuture them, she simply stopped and let them do whatever they want.
exactly, my mom did the same exact thing. thankfully she got the hint to leave me alone after having four other daughters beside me.
Being a young parent is hard. I was 16 when I got pregnant, but I chose to put my child first. I mean I looked at it as I got myself in that situation so I needed to step up and do what needed to be done. 6 years later I had my second child. I never once regretted my choice. My boy is 21 now my girl 16 and I just love them so much . They are my world.
And you did it right. You were young, but knew your children should be your priority. ❤
Your kids come first
Always
If you don't agree, you shouldn't have kids
Nikki loved her kids. She had that tough love and the twins didn't like it.
This is really really sad all around. I get everyone’s comments on how being taken away from what you know is hard but those girls were so wrong man.
As a therapist who only works with teens, I will be using “teens be teening.” ✨
word of advice Don't 😅
As a therapist. Same. They do be teening 😂
@@scarlethunter3995 🤣😂.
Or in this case “teens be tweening” I’ll see myself out 🏃♀️
I loved that so much too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel like Nikki should have just left them alone, you can't just be a mom whenever you want. There were a LOT of issues that apparently nobody was addressing and this is what happened. She flipped their whole lives upside down when they were nearly grown! What was the point? Just live your life like you have been. It's sad that a lot of bad choices for generations led to this. Edited to say I do NOT think she deserved what happened and the grisly details of her death are heartbreaking.
I completely agree
Totally
Agreed. You can't just suddenly decide to be a mum. They would have been better off staying with Dela.
Yep - Those girls were thriving with their great grandmother. If their mom wanted to be closer to them, SHE should have moved to their area and spent more time with them trying to build a relationship. What she did was selfish.
Agreed!!! Their mom did the best for them by giving them to her Grandma. She should have left them there!
I can’t get over the fact that they went to school after doing this horrific thing. 😩
I can't get over that they said 'yea, we went to school and were one time' and the cops didn't ask for their attendance records to verify when or if they got there
@@cymorilbinder9741they did, they got camera footage as well
The cleaning job was so half done because they had a pep rally they wanted to go to.
I would say important test but I think they definitely didn’t care at that point.
I’m just saying this because I was in that situation where your biological parent (in this case my father) wasn’t ready to be an actual parent.
Just because you’re “ready” to finally re-enter your children’s life years later, doesn’t mean they are “ready” for you. Your kids are people with their own thoughts and feelings. Not toys you can drop off and pick up whenever you want. You have to build a STABLE relationship and that takes time
P.S. NOT CONDONING THE CRIMES THE TWINS COMMITTED! I WAS JUST SHARING A SMALL TAKE FROM MY PERSONAL LIFE 💀
I’ve been listening to Bailey for soooo long that I just do the theme song for her in my head
Same lol
Me too
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I literally sang it to myself when watching this 😂
Same here😂
I love when Bailey laughs and goes “I’m not laughing cuz it’s funny I’m laughing because…” and then says why lol
Same 😂😂
It’s always because she’s uncomfortable 😂😂
I need her to make merch that says "I'm laughing because it's uncomfortable"
Yeah, because these stories are hard, I imagine. Atfirst, I use to think she was mocking the dead, but as I came to know her, I realized it's because she's having to sit and not only research but then bring it before us, not to mention the amount of times she prob have to redo ish due to bloopers etc.. it's hard...
@@MizzTrinieFyre Is there a Bailey Sarian Blooper or Outtakes video?
In my opinion if you decide you can’t be a mom and then one day you’re finally like “you know I think I want to be a mom now” you can’t just walk in and change your whole self. Your daughters knew you as a party, an unstable person in their lives but all of the sudden now you’re a grown up who wants to be there?
25F whose father didn’t want to be a father until I was almost 21 who essentially did the same thing. And no we don’t talk at all anymore.
consent is the key in most of situations, like you can't just force people to do something against their will then expect them not to fight back. especially when they were teenagers, angsty teenagers
"She felt like she was in a place where she was ready to be their Mom..." Didn't work out so great! (Abandonment trauma generates rage)
So very true.. I'm a victim and can day it definitely does
SAME. You just feel like it now? And I’m supposed to just roll with it?
💯 you can’t decide to be a mum when you feel like it
This is very true. I was basically abandoned by my mom at 3 months old for reasons. I was going through foster care and then ended up with my dad, he had multiple unstable relationships. Now I'm 18 and living with my mother and it feels like every second I'm around her makes me more angry or annoyed :/
@@genevataylor2451 Keep up a positive attitude, some day you’ll be a mom and I’m sure you will be the best you can be. You’ll only be there with her a short time, enjoy her while you can, or just her company. I know I was a tough teen, but I miss my mom dearly.
It’s so important to EASE children in to a new situation. 😢 & include them in decision processes make them FEEL apart of it…these girls wild af tho
orrrr you can just leave the children where they want to be.
@@LemonSte possibly, things like that would probably come up in the discussion process of “including them in the decision” as I mentioned above.
@@LemonSte there were more options like possibly moving in with the grandma or the grandma moving in with the mom, keeping them in the same school and area would've helped....
I had a similar upbringing. My parents were young when I was born so I was raised by my great grandparents (my dad's grandparents, who also raised him). My dad got married when I was 11 and right before I turned 12, he made me move to the city with him and my stepmother, against my wishes. I was devastated for a very long time. I loved my parents but I had to leave my whole life behind in my town I grew up in and my great grandparents were everything to me. My great grandfather passed when i was 17 and my great grandmother passed about 6 years later and it hit me really hard. I'm 34 now with a child of my own but it still makes me sad to this day.
@@LemonSte though I definitely know your point everyone's so entitled today and you can't always get your own way in the same sense that's why making your own decisions as an adult is a privilege and now clearly they make none of their own decisions
It’s the fact that if their mother never took them they’d most likely end up being normal
I really wonder if something like this would've ever happened if they had been allowed to stay with their grandmother, or is this the way they would've reacted to anything emotionally traumatic regardless of who they thought caused it 🤔
As a twin I can confirm there is always one that bites
me :)
This made me LOL
The real question is… is it you?
@@avagarcia9717😂
This is so true my aunt is a twin and her sister is a demon
I feel like the therapists failed their family, and so did the court!!! They should have removed the girls from Nikki’s house. They repeatedly beat her!! That’s so sad. What a tragic story.
Oof. Your makeup is marvelous tho😍🖤
It's said they went to family therapy, but honestly after the first time the girls went to court for beating their mother, they should have gone through court mandated individual therapy. It's possible that would have cleared up a lot of issues.
Their mom failed them.
I WOULD TOTALLY READ BAILEYS BOOK!!!
I love how these are supposed to be serious scary episodes but she makes them funny at the same time 😂
The saddest part is that the mom (NICKI) made it outside to her neighbors home and then the girls dragged her back inside the home . It was all captured on the neighbors home security system . Absolutely sad
Oh wow, that's horrible. Poor Nicki. RIP.
Thats awful,those girls are evil ,the worst part is they only got 30 years,such awful crime
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Oh my goodness! That's tragic.
evil is ridiculas they where normal kids till that suppose mother came around
@@karinaaguiar7154
love bailey constantly putting things in perspective and acknowledging both sides and their feelings
TBH I'm having a hard time empathizing with the mom. The kids were doing great before all that nonsense started, she didn't ask permission to be in their lives (Demanded them instead, never going to win hearts and minds that way), she pushed and pushed even though it clearly wasn't working for any of them.... Yeah... not to say that the twins were right, but I can completely see why they ended up that way. :/
Nikki strikes me as the type who was taken in by what she "should" be to the twins rather than what she really was or could've reasonably been to them. It takes more than just biology to make a parent.
@@HexIsme all true. they didn't need her, she needed them but this was an unfair power dynamic to begin with
EXACTLY
@@HexIsme YESSS, THIS!!!!! 💯💯💯
But she can't praise Nikki for being a party girl, but congratulate her for trying to be strict later on with the twins. It's too late at that point. The problem started with the fact that she was in the club instead of being a parent. I can't condone that.
I’m a twin and it was always a very big competition. My twin was always jealous of me: getting the boyfriends. I was athletic, stayed involved in physical activities, I had more friends and my sister was overweight and became really jealous of me. We have a difficult estranged relationship now. We’re currently not on talking terms.
I pray u and ur twin reunite. Life is too short
i saw another video about this case yesterday and they said Nikki went to the neighbors house and rang the doorbell but the neighbor was still in bed and didnt want to get up to answer the door and the girls dragged her back into the house. 😢
Wow that is terrible really horrible if that true.
I'm a triplet and can confirm twin telepathy. I'm deeply connected to my triplet brother or sister, when anything is wrong with them I get a bad feeling and check on them. Now that we live in different cities, we often will call or text each other at the exact same time. In some ways I feel like 2/3 of me is living outside of my body. Also, it's our birthday tomorrow!
Happy Birthday to da 3 of u! 🎉 I had a friend of mine that one day went to call each other and before dialing the number, heard each other and started chatting. We had picked up the phone at the exact moment! Was pretty trippy and yes was the round dial style phone days! 📞
Happy biiirrtthdaaayyy🥳🥳🥳
Happy birthday to y'all && many more 🎈❤️
Happy birthday 🎉🫶🏾 and wow that’s so interesting
Happy birthday
Sometimes it’s too late to be a mom. My mom was so depressed by the time she decided to mom me I didn’t want any help from her. Sounds mean but when you’re small and don’t get what you need from the person who’s supposed to nurture you it’s hard to turn that around and not take it personally.
I understand that. She was young though I think folks are forgetting she had them in her teens and because grandma let her (she as she allowed the girls) so what she wanted as a teen she most likely chose to still party and wasn’t a stable teenage mother. And once she finally became stable and married she felt she could. But after all the fights I wish she would’ve just took take as they didn’t want anything to do with her to the detriment of her
I understand. Before my parents split my mum was a great mum and then she just ????? And even now she’s like a half parent to me but I full time parent to my sisters. I fear that by the time she wants to be my mum I won’t care or want her anymore
I’m the same way with my dad. He tried being a dad at 18 by giving me a curfew when I started going out. He was just kind of around when it suited him while I was growing up. Nope.
@Gemini Capricorn she didn't deserve to die but she should've taken the hint and let them stay with grandma. I don't understand why the authorities kept insisting she keep the kids
That’s the kind of attitude i have for my dad and the stepmom. Im in my 20’s
Even though the twins lived in Conyers they were well known in Lithonia. I remember the times my brothers would hang out with them or some of the people at my school would bring them up. There wasn’t much supervision because they were always around boys and getting into stuff. And when everyone in the neighborhood heard the news, not a single person doubted that they would off their mom.
I knew those twins were trouble smh.
that sounds made up af hanging around boys isnt a reason to call them bad kids and become a strict controlling ah
Thank you for telling this story. I’ve watched dozens of documentaries on this and watched so many people cover it and it was never in full detail. I’ve learned so much about their back stories that explains so much. You did an awesome job. Plus your makeup is AMAZING! ❤
I can understand the girls side of things, but that is no excuse for what they did. My heart goes out to this family.
Well
What they went through should be a factor in sentencing
30 years is too much. Hope they're eligible for parole soon
@@Unbreakable245for children 30 years is too much. They can do it. But parole should be heard in that period sometime. Because they won't do it again.
I slightly disagree
Poor Grandma Della, she tried her best! This family is just layers of generational trauma.
The environment does not help.
she kept making the same mistake over and over again, she raised 3 generations and all of them ended up in bad situations, thats her responsibility
I'm sure she worked hard also compensating for all the lacking men in this situation. but theres still something fishy about della, kids dont just become criminals and violent out of nowhere, this behavior is taught.
Why is Della being blamed? The girls started doing all this once moving in with the mom? The girls were amazing with her and they genuinely hated the situation with the mother. Della did her part in raising the girls and really excelled. The mom unfortunately should’ve just left them.
@@cami_cuddles not really. Some sources stated that grandma let them do whatever they wanted and had no discipline. Plus, grandma was the same woman that raised the twins mother….
25 her senior means he's 25 years older than her! You could also say she is 25 years his junior.
As someone with triplets, I can confirm they definitely have their own telepathy thing going on
I was adopted by a woman who chose to be pretty absent until I was a teen. Then she wanted to attempt to parent. My brother and I literally told her she was too late to think she was going to parent. Luckily, after a couple battles, we came to an agreement and things did not escalate to this level. However, it was not pleasant for anyone during the power struggle
Even when your parents are there the whole time that teenage power struggle is real. Especially with controlling parents who never learned to parent besides trying to force their kids to do what they want.
She embodied a big sister relationship with them their whole lives then uprooted them multiple times and tried to be a mother figure when they were already in their teen years. What could go wrong? 😂
Exactly..
I think you're really heartless to say that and you can't see the point of view of a young mother.
@@AnxietyPossum when you open your legs you should expect to have a child regardless because you don’t know what happens, when you give birth your a mother and should adapt to motherly traits, what they explained is exactly what happened doesn’t make it any less sad for the mother thi
@@gabryelleaAP you shouldnt expect that perspective from a 19 years old young adult who was born to her mother when she was a young adult too
I think it was Della's fault ALL the children she raised turned out to be like that. She didn't discipline them when they get older. Basically being a mom for their childhood but simply a roommate after. Teens minds are still developing, instead of continuing to nuture them, she simply stopped and let them do whatever they want.
Uprooted them when they were doing well, tried to be a Mother figure when they already had one, noticed the drop in grades, watched them progress into violent teens… finally realized that they should be back with their actual mother figure, but they aren’t even the same kids anymore.
your foundation shades are so on point I always THINK THAT YOU APPLY A PRIMER WITH A BRUSH AT FIRST LOL
She does apply primer with a brush ..
@@kelseymorong2248 yes... That is besides the point, I meant how perfect her foundation shade is 😅
Grandma Della was the real one here. Raising not only her grandchild but then raising her great grandchildren, she was the only stable one for them.
Also I’m a fraternal twin (non identical) and my sister and I barely get along.
yes but della's daughter became pregnant at a young age, her grand daughter ran away from home and also became pregnant early, and the twins literally killed their mother. sounds to me like Della was doing something wrong, parenting wise. my theory is she gives way too much freedom. when nikki saw that, she realised her kids were also about to go down the same path as she did and she tried taking custody to stop that. but the twins just saw it as their freedom being taken away so they became violent.
Me too!! Me and my sister are very different and we argue atleast 1x a day. But then we also always makeup and get over it and hang as usual.
@@ruayerasharazeel5431 I've seen this case covered by another true crime channel, and it was exactly that. Her method of child raising consisted if providing for them but having no rules or boundaries whatsoever. She seems to be a kind person, but really shouldn't have been raising children.
@@ruayerasharazeel5431 except the twins este thriving before their mother came and forced the girls to go live with her and a stranger.
Della out here, raising three separate generations of selfish women whether or not any of them turned her life around isn’t the point they were all only worried about themselves so…..
“One of them was a biter” made me laugh out loud
Too loud🤣🤣
It sounds like ,she was describing a dog
I lost it when she went "which one of you bit her?!"
😂😂😂😂😂
as a twin myself i can confirm it is a lot of competition. not between us specifically but our family always compared us :D
Never apologize for sharing your sponsorships!! You're fabulous! Also, book? Your notes?? YES PLEASE!!
As a dental hygienist, I can confirm that identical twins have different dental records! Because they will have different restorations, missing teeth, canal treatments, crowns, etc.
What about before their teeth change? Like baby-5?
What about teeth grinding? (Bruxism) or if one does it they both do?
@Danielle Mills there'd still be slight differences because there are a lot of environmental factors that effect how teeth grow in
@@itsruckaswife7036 Teeth grinding can have different causes, not only genetical but also environmental, like stress. So one twin could grind while the other one doesn't. Also, you can see the effects of grinding on x-rays but only when it's severe, so slight grinding might not be detectable in dental records if the dental office does not add intraoral pictures in patients files. Hope that answers your question :)
@@daniellemills5479 I second Nina's answer!
As a child who went through the same thing, you don't just leave your children, then come and go. I wish my mother just stayed away. All it did was cause more problems.
I’m sorry you went thru that. That was what I was screaming while listening to this. The kids were doing great with great grandma just leave them there then. She was asking for trouble taking them away from everything to bounce in and out of their lives. Then when they were “too much to handle” she dropped them back off at great grandmas. That’s not how parenting works.
Sadly this story and urs hit way to close for comfort with me. My egg donor did the exact same thing, right down to getting married and taking me away from my parents, {biological grandparents}, at the age of 13. The only major differences are that I'm not a twin and I directed my violent outbursts on objects instead of her. I also wish she had just stayed away.
Instead of sending them to the grandmother and rewarding bad behaviour they should have been sent to reform school.
Side note I love how you’re able to see all sides of a situation even if it’s the side everyone already has their opinion about
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She had 9 million sometime back
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@@nemotheo1629 I don’t remember her having that many subs
@@nemotheo1629 nope when I started watching her just over a year ago she only had around 2 or 3 mil or so, if I remember correctly.
@@shaylynnlee6942 i started watching her 2 years or more ago she had way more subscribers
Their mother was a selfish person. She always had to get her way and live her life the way she wanted to, without any consideration for other people. No wonder it backfired eventually.
but so did the twins... They couldn't do what they wanted, and just because the mother wanted to take them into her custody again, doesn't mean they could end her life in such a traumatic way.
They also abused her before they killed her. Evil.
@@user-ny7wi9ml6tshe literally kidnapped them from their home. The only difference between her and some dude off the street is that it was done legally because she happened to be the mother. Those kids didn’t know her or want her and she took them away from their home and everything they knew. If someone else had kidnapped them like that everyone would be applauding how strong they were but because it was their “mother” they’re monsters🙄
@@user-ny7wi9ml6talthough that may be true the twins did not want to live with her the first time nikki asked they said no it wouldn’t have happened this way if she gave them what they wanted not what she wanted
There's no excuse for those killers.
Just want to say that you have been making my days!!! I stubbled across you on Facebook and said “I gotta go on CZcams for the whole stories” and so glad I did!!! I’m medically going through magically not being able to walk and your stories bring a light to these poor victims. Thank you for not allowing them to be forgotten ❤
Ty for doing these vidz - I’ve shared them out to fam/friends & everyone has loved em- keep ROCKIN EM LADY!
As a mom of toddler twins I can confirm that twins do have their own language. It freaks me out sometimes when they read each others minds 😂
My sons do the same thing. And they start to kind of hum or chant in unison. Its crazy to watch lol
Yes, and mine will like know the other is hurt or having a bad dream even if they aren't in the same room and can't possibly have seen or heard anything. It's crazy
@@MoogleMom Girl, you might want to consider seeing a priest
Twin here. My twin and I are in sync and have our own sort of language. I read that about 65% of twins have their own shared language.
@@BelladonnaPheonix 😆
Children and their psychology is complicated and very delicate, so much of what we experience as children affects us so greatly as adults and things that may not seem really big can absolutely be traumatic for children. I understand that Nikki really wanted to step into the role as a mom, but it should've happened slower to give her girls time to readjust to having a mom. Such a huge shift in parent dynamic and environment would naturally be very upsetting for any child, suddenly having a more present mom with all these rules and wants can be confusing and scary for kids who know a specific dynamic and aren't ready to change yet, and maybe seeking family counseling could've helped. With something like this, it requires taking time to slowly adjust to this new situation not just for the daughters but also Nikki as a parent.
This doesn't at all excuse what her daughters did though. The way they treated Nikki is awful and more should've been done to help steer their behavior. It's just so sad that it came to this.
I agree with you. So many on here are just flat out blaming their mom but I think although yes it’s understandable why they’re angry, I understand why their mom would want to be closer to them and parent them. There’s just not enough programs in America to help violent kids learn better coping mechanisms.
@@ardenalexa94 Yes absolutely, it's a subject that definitely needs more attention.
Thisss
I agree.
Baby steps should have been taken to rebuild the parent child relationship
Totally agree about the complicated nature of children's psychology. I had an alcoholic absentee father who would occasionally attempt to be 'parental.' As a pre-teen/teen my emotional responses to his 'parenting cameos' were rich admixtures of bewilderment, indignation, feelings of betrayal, and fury. While I don't excuse what the girls did, I can understand how easily things can escalate. I also feel that Nikki meant well, but placed her own fears and concerns ahead of what the girls actually needed, and in doing so made the situation worse instead of better.
I cannot comprehend why Nikki was not afraid to be alone with them. After getting beat so many times
I recently started watching you and I'm obsessed!! I love how you tell the story putting spice into it 🤣😜
Bailey based off all of these questions you have about twins, I think you have your next episode of dark history!!
Cue the holocaust
Yeah but would it really be considered “dark”?
@@ashleylouise6467 look into June and Jennifer Gibbons, “The silent twins”
@@ashleylouise6467 look into June and Jennifer Gibbons, “The silent twins”
Ooh! They did those twisted studies in the 60s where they separated twins at birth just to experiment, then never even published the results 😭
As a person who has been in this type of situation, Nikki wasn't thinking about the girls at any moment, she just wanted control back or whatever, doing what's best for your kids it's not forcing them to change every aspect of their lives without at least a conversation. But in the end the twins are forever wrong for kiling their biological mother....
thank you for giving me this perspective. i always saw the twins as the bad guys through and through, but i actually have had real life experiences of an absent mother wanting to come back into my life to control me, so i can understand their frustration. but like you said, they did do a terrible thing and took their mother’s life.
I definitely see where you're coming from, but I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. We obviously don't really know the actual specifics of the case, but I can see all sides. I've never been in this situation myself, but have had tons of friends, cousins, nieces/nephews, and extended family members/family friends in these types of situations, and I've seen many different dynamics play out, especially when the parents have their kids young. It's a messed up situation no matter what. The worst is when the parents, grandparents, etc use the kids as "bargaining chips" or as a way to exhibit their control/authority over one another (like my adult friend's parents would continuously threaten to take custody of her son, or refuse to let her see him when they had primary custody, as a means of punishment and way to maintain their grasp of control on her), and I honestly think a HUGE part of the blame should be put on the court systems and their appointed therapists.
Yeah, I agree with you but I think it was probably less of wanting control and more of a guilt that she carried for basically giving them up to her grandma to raise. I'm sure in her mind she thought she was doing the right thing but at the same time I think she should have stopped once the girls expressed that they did not want to live with her. At that point she was basically forcing them to do something they didn't want nor were they comfortable with, especially with a man that they did not know living in the house as well. The courts and therapists are to blame as well for agreeing with the set-up, knowing that the girls did not want that. I feel like they did not look into any of the details or just didn't care and just thought it would be the better option just because she was the biological mom.
I’ve watched Danielle Kirsty’s version of this story and apparently the girls were becoming too much for the great grandmother to handle. As she was 80 at the time. They were out drinking and partying and stealing from the great grandmother. They were out of control.
I’ve seen this case done on telly aswell and the girls were bad for their grandmother but because of her age and how violent they were she could never do anything to stop them, so I really think their mother was just trying to step up
The reason Nicky took them in was kinda funny to me because she was the one who literally ruined their lives and drive the girls to their breaking point (as Della said) they were just two nice teenage girls which was doing great in their school, until Nicky cme into the picture. If she just leave the girls live peacefully with Della none of this would have happened.
Personally I went from super strict Grandmother to my “fun” Mom. She treated me like a friend and her daughter at the same time. Nikki could have had a conversation with them about it saying that she wanted better for them instead of becoming super strict.
Strict parents make sneaky kids is what I’ve noticed. There’s a fine line between rules and boundaries, and letting them have fun. Courts should have listened to the girls in this case. They truly needed therapy and to be with Della.
As someone who was raised by their grandmother and my own mother was basically my big sister I would be mad af is I got sent to live with her. I even called my grandma mom and my birth mom by her real name. Removíng them from the home was a bad move
exactly. no body really sees the abuse unless theyve been abused before. I definitely not condoning with the twins, but i know their anger and sadness.
I was raised by my grandparents. I stills call my grandma, Mom. And I now call my birth mom mom. She committed suicided when I was 9. But I now I refer to my birth mom. Mom. But prior to me moving with my dad. We where all prepped. Me. Mostly cause I’m going to a new country. Although my dad ended up being extremely controlling and abusive and would refer to me as his wife. But my point is you can prep your grandkids to live with. Someone new
I also feel like the grandma was letting. A lot of shi go. Two of the kids she took care of ended up preggo really young
@@rebeccambedzi8563 girl please call for help... it is NOT okay for your dad to be calling you wife
Exactly. What they did was wrong but I can 100% understand their anger. Nikki should not have moved them like that.
I have a great story to tell you about twins. In Perth, Western Australia where I live, lived two identical twin brothers. William and John Bloomfield. From the moment of birth, these twins were inseparable. They looked exactly alike and dressed exactly the same, right down to their shoes and socks, same style of eyeglasses and white canes they always walked with. They never married and lived together their whole lives. And...died together. Yes, in May of 1996, when the brothers were 61 yrs old, they were dining at a casino restaurant when suddenly one of them collapsed from a cardiac arrest. Restaurant staff and security immediately called an ambulance and began trying to resuscitate him. Then literally TWO MINUTES after his brother collapsed, the other twin collapsed and died of a heart attack. Weird or what?...😳 It gets weirder. According to the brothers themselves, they were born...TWO MINUTES APART! Do do do do do do do do (Twilight zone theme music) 😵💫
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Wow 🤯
Wow, I had to google it...that is insane
@@oliviagodden6409 Yep. Truth is definitely stranger than fiction.
Thats so weird ,twins creep me out a bit LOL
Mr. Robert Head aka Bob Head.....😂
Nikki really should have looked at how she never wanted to go to her own mother and realise that that's how the girls felt about her.
My dad is a twin. He passed recently and my Uncle is taking it HARD. There is a special connection that you can’t explain ♥️♥️
My condolences to you and your family ❤
@@kweenbrook thank you so much!!! ♥️ it’s been hard so I appreciate the comment xoxoxo
@@JessicaRVA you’re very welcome ❤️
I just lost my granny 3 days ago. I wish you and your family healing, resilience & prosperity. Condolences for you father and your family. I love you.
@@maogoddess8889 much love and positive energy sent your way. Thank you for the sweet words 💜💜
I would buy a book of your notes! That sounds awesome! Anyone else?!
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Totally agree✨
Yes!! 100% please do it Bailey x
Bailey's Notes Book. Hahaha
Ikr! Sounds like a fire idea
probably one of my fav makeup looks you've done! i love the way it makes your eyes pop! absolutely gorgeous!!!!!!
Love your personality Bailey! Real magnet to keep us hooked. Would like for you to cover the Jeremy Stohmeyer/ Sherrice Iverson case
She should have left them with the great grandma. You cannot expect teenagers to up and change their lives and not be resentful. They really took it to the extreme though...
Identical twins share the same DNA, fraternal twins have their own DNA, and all individuals have their own dental records and fingerprints. Those are unique to each person. Hope that helps!
Was scrolling...like okay who answered this somebody had to👍
Came to leave this comment! Thank you for explaining it better than I could. 😂
The one way you can tell which identical twin did it is finger prints. Identical twins share the same DNA but have different finger prints.
Wow. I never knew this. Thank you 🙏🏾
if Nikki wouldn't have kept trying to gain custody of the twins and allowed them to live with their great grandmother she would still be alive. And not to mention they would hit her just to be able to go back with their grandmother, why didn't she get the hint that the twins didn't want to be with her.
I was about to say this like girl you want these kids that you gave up and were not really a parent to their whole life so badly…you’re willing to risk your life and make them miserable 🤨
This story is absolutely horrifying. You have to be careful when it comes to mistreating children. This is why stability is so important.
"All you want is just your mom to be a mom". So true. 💔
Except the twins 😅
So not true, some people want bad moms who are borderline neglectful
@@imaniyup7908 they still want their mom to be a mom?
"One was a biter... I forget which one" there's always a biter with twins 🤣😭😭😭
Man. Rules and boundaries are SO important and it’s arguably even more important to do this sooner than later!!
This was an episode of See No Evil. It includes the camera footage of how they solved the case
I feel like there is so much more going on behind the scenes with this story. It feels like there has to be something more than just the girls being angry about moving in with their mother. Seems like a crazy over reaction for all these physical fights.
My husband wondered if Nikki's husband possibly abused the girls in some way. Like sexually. Since their behavior became so negative and violent so quickly. He said it "just screams trauma."
I've watched the Danielle Kirsty one as well and they tell the stories a bit differently imo. Might wanna give that a look at some different details.edit: iirc I don't remember there being any mention of SA and Robert was pretty much out of town 24/7
@@kaceyreed1284 the lawyers would of been all over it if there was event a sniff of that going on
@@kaceyreed1284 Tbh I would agree except for the fact that it was only taken out on the mom in order to get what they wanted. It seems like they had a bad argument, the mom got scared and backed down they peeped that therefore they kept doing it. They also said that the husband was literally never home
They made it clear that they hated being with their mother. They made it exceedingly clear that they didn't want to go with her in the first place they left their great-grandmother if they wanted to stay there with their friends they were well adjusted and doing very well so I never understood the decision that their mother made to take them away from that I understand she's their mother I have four kids myself I understand the need to be in your child's life but you can't just be popping in and out and showing that you're pretty much still just about that party life and go well I want these two 13-year-old children now that I just kind of abandoned with you 13 years later it doesn't work that way with no consequences. Abandonment trauma is nothing to mess with.
my mom did the friend to parent flip, very abruptly. took YEARS for us to get along again.
the line in my family was always blurred as to who are elders/authority figures and who wasn’t because everyone was early teens-early 20s when i was born.
basically, i was treated like a friend until i did something they didn’t like and to this day, it throws me through a loop.
it’s not fair lol cool you’re stepping up but recognize the boundaries your kids have put up and work slowly towards the mother/daughter relationship. popping in abruptly like “ok i’m gonna be a mom now” is never gonna work lol
I feel like everyone played a part in this in some way.. Nikki shouldn’t have tried to play mother out of no where, Lynda shouldn’t have pressured her to get the twins, the twins shouldn’t have killed their mother.. 🤷🏾♀️
I love the look. It's beautiful! That was such a sad story. I feel like Nikki should have let them stay with Della, especially after they started abusing her.
I just got a cochlear implant in my right ear in September. One of the things I’ve been told to do is watch CZcams videos with captions. So Bailey is part of my hearing rehab ♥️
I love this
fellow cochlear implant user! glad to know im not the only one that watches bailey!
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@@TheKaitoNiisan happy to report that I’m now feeling comfortable with watching videos without captions (as long as I can read lips), so Bailey is still the perfect rehab for this 🎉❤
@Katie Johnson I'm so happy for you! And literally just a few hours ago, my processor gave out 🥲 hopefully, my doctor's appointment on Friday will get the ball rolling for an upgrade, now that I have Medicare
I’ve been through a similar situation, and Nikki was about Nikki… She was not doing what’s best for the girls. She was doing what’s best that made her feel better. The kids were doing fine with her great grandmother, and she completely upheave their everybody’s lives in order to make herself not feel guilty about the type of mother she had been up to that point. I’m not saying she deserve to be killed or anything, but sometimes you just have to leave things be even though it’s not how you want them to be.
"But." Nothing she didn't deserve to die end of story. You can't just say one thing and put but as an excuse
Agreed. If her husband was never home anyway, why move the twins to his house?
This is exactly what I came to say. She turned their life upside down too late
I agree too, it really seems there wasn’t a lot of listening or response to feedback..just forcing something that clearly wasn’t working for them.
Right children are not toys you get to put down and pick up whenever you feel like it. I feel bad she was killed but ultimately her own actions led to her Demise
Gorgeous hair & make-up! The dark of everything really suits you. 🖤
I literally love your videos so much, they're my favorite way to obsess over true crime!! but I'm ready for you to publish that book👀
before i get to the crime part, it’s astonishing to hear the generation pattern they formed
Generational curse its real
I’m a twin, I can sense when my brother is sick/hurt.
I also had twins, there’s 5 sets of twins total in my family.
One of my friends has TWO sets of twins from two different men.... I was mind blown 🤯 never heard of that before...
@@susaltyokkk twins run on women’s side of the family, not the men.
One of my family was a twin, and she was in surgery when he died and I just find that so spooky.
@@Bergie7195 true, the women are the gene carrier. I have twin cousins (girls), they don't have twins themselves but their brother did have a set of twin girls. their twins genetic come from their mother side as the father side (my side) doesn't have any twins before or after them ever.
A friend of mine is a twin. She gave birth to identical twin girls. Her oldest daughter had a set of identical twin girls. It's crazy!
I was married to an identical twin. So yeah, it's a trip being around twins! 😁
Your skin is so beautiful ! Thankyouuuu for showing it naturally, ❤