How to Save Star Trek
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2021
- CBS seems to be bumbling around in the dark looking for the right formula for new Star Trek shows. But making a successful new Star Trek show to revitalize the franchise is actually really, really easy. Let's explore!
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"Take a famous or important event that's been unexplored and lovingly recreate the world at that point in time" So Axanar?
damn should have scrolled further down. Just commented the same thing xD
Neh, Earth-Romulan War!
A comment in appreciation of the TNG design and how it still feels so right and beautiful after so many years!
So true. The only thing you could maybe change is a touch screen/smart phone screen on the Tricorders, and paper thin tablets as opposed to the "thick ones" from the 90's.
I wouldn't change a thing.
The 80s/90s aesthetic makes it all the more special.
No need to Lucas it up, if y'know what I mean.
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@@McCheesy22 I have a...misguided, perhaps but genuine affection for Generations.
I was just a kid when it came out, so it makes bank on nostalgia points with me.
But do understand fans' dislike of it.
@@joelbizzell1386
The Prequel Trilogy in Star Wars is supposed to look different at the beginning and more familiar as you get closer to the Original Trilogy. It's similar to how American car designs have changed from the 1950s to this century.
@@joelbizzell1386 I really enjoyed Generations. It was just a shame they destroyed the Enterprise D, which I thought looked majestic on the big screen: great angled shots with fantastic lighting made the feel of the ship so much better. The crash scene was amazing at the time though.
CBS would sign off on it just because it's called "Star Trek: Renegade".
Tuvok in the background: This is a most pleasing outcome of events. *shakes foot back and forth*
CBS made it pretty clear at the time that they were nuking _Axanar_ and _Renegades_ ... I very much doubt they'll resurrect any Star Trek by that name.
@@pwnmeisterage which is both true and awful simultaneously
Star Trek: Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
but 90's sitcom style....
Always cry when the walls fell.
@@Crazy-Chicken-Media so like Perfect Strangers in space?
Starfleet, when the captains boldly went.
@@alexstauffer3359 Sisko, Punching Q!
Star Trek Online actually ended up following up on that. They did a great job meshing a bunch of loose ends into one big arc with the Iconians.
Star Treks current problem is in the writers room. They are just bad at writing sci-fi, much less smart sci-fi.
Classic Star Trek was made to be budget friendly and had most of its stories involve around investigating, troubleshooting, and/or diplomacy; that allowed a ensemble caste to play off one and other to bring a story to life. The problem is that such a of show need good writing to succeed and CBS doesn't have good writers.
Times have changed. I don’t think they make series of any show, at least on streaming services, of 24 episodes anymore. And the difference with that is that they could have some horribly bad shows amongst the 24 episodes due to whatever reason it was. The idea with the shorter seasons is that they no longer need those ‘filler’ episodes. Good luck trying to convince streaming services to change their 21st century model and go back to using the 80s TV series model
@@redapol5678 I get what you are saying, but the success of long running show like Friends and the Office still having bringing in massive audiences shows that longer seasons still have value.
Also I think that you are mistaken in saying that a 24 episode season needs to have filler. Star Trek Show were more about have each episode being a self contained story and not about an telling a single over arching story over a season.
Personally I thing DS9 had the right idea, keep most of the episode self contained, but allow the world to slowly change around them.
Though I do agree having an 'elevator' episode to save up for a big budge finally is unnecessary anymore. just cut the season by one or two episodes instead of filling a slot with flashbacks.
Also having these short season seem to be hurting the steaming services as well,. A lot of people will only stay subscribed to a platform for a long as it as its airing a good show. once that show is done, a good chunk of people bail. So having a longer seasons make shorted the platform's 'dry-spells' and help maintain subscribers
One thing about TOS was that they used a lot of established sci fi writers... not network hacks.
@@QseftJohn I know older shows still get a lot of rerun value but that hasn’t seemed to translate into any change for longer seasons. Yet. I guess we’ll see if streaming services change. I haven’t heard of people cancelling subscription after their one favourite season but I guess that would be something they might take notice of. However, having longer longer seasons would mean longer breaks in between I suspect. Actors don’t want to be locked in to one thing anymore. Being on a TV show no longer means they can’t star in movies (which used to be the case).
again the comments here are about episodic vs serialised, while writing is the real issue. sure, there have been some really horrible episodes but that's mostly because of the time restraints on a 24 episode season.
imagine you took a really bad episode and turned it into a whole season. like TNG sub rosa or VOY threshold. when writing a season, there would be time to fix what's wrong and make it good. fix the tone, fix the errors. but mostly, having weeks or even months to come up with the idea would mean that such bad plots would never happen.
but that would mean hiring good writers and letting them do what they do best. one of the reasons ds9 is so good, is because it was always the underdog, the trek bastard child. while the studio was all about TNG and then VOY, they were left alone to do whatever the hell they wanted. the writers loved the franchise and sure as hell did their best to do the best possible show they could.
so step one - fire everyone on the STD and Picard writing staff and keep looking until you find good writers. kurtzman cannot be to blame for everything. sure he screwed up the tone and the style of the new shows, he greenlit the most idiotic of plot points in the show, but the writing on a micro scale - that's the writers themselves. the constant bickering, the unprofessionalism, the mutinous, insubordinate behaviour, the high school mentality, that's the writing room.
recently I saw a Nickelodeon show The Astronauts (not bad actually) and something rang very familiar. then it struck me - the character dynamic and interactions were almost the same as in STD and PIC. but in the astronauts, the characters are 12 and 13 year olds. nu trek has grown up academy graduates and seasoned military officers. not every scene should be a fight.
just get new writers.
They could just make a short mini-series that is all about Q just messing with different people.
Now that would be pretty cool. This to see this super powerful being be involved and intrigued by people other than the Picard's the Cisco's or the perks of the Galaxy the regular guy or girl. Like a beyonder type thing. That would be good to watch to see how they deal with it. Once again Star Trek misses the little guy in the stories they have to tell. Good idea
@@syoung2333 Heck, sometimes perhaps Q just is so far above us that he just does some things for what we mortals would call "the lulz." Things like spawning a perfectly contained omega particle on some random ship. Or turning some other random ship's female crew into cute catgirls. Or even just something like, just before a battle, replacing everyone's uniforms with traditional holiday outfits of the two sides involved in a conflict (so you could, say, see everyone in the federation side dressed as Santa Claus and everyone in the opposition having no choice but to dress as some holiday wear of their own).
@@SephirothRyu lol. Right. I think I stick with the red shirts. So under repped more than stormtroopers.
@@syoung2333 Suddenly, they are now blue shirts for some reason! All the colors get mixed up by Q messing or "messing" with them. Probably both, to be honest.
Maybe he can have some fun sidekicks? Call it Q-Crew
One thing I want to see is the Romulan War during what would have been Enterprises 5th, 6th and 7th seasons, but NOT with today's writers and producers! No way! No how! Get rid of Kurtzman first!!!! In the mean time I will watch the fan production on that event in Trek history.
Thinking of other wars not explored, there's a whole forgotten war vs the Cardassians that O'Brien was a part of. Not saying they should have O'Brien, just that it could be the same era, maybe feature a simple tailor in his younger years.
First thing i would do is give Axanar producers free hand to make it happen with same budget they wasted in Dysentery. Second step would be to round up as many of the past Trek writers/producers i could find to the round table to hear their thoughts where the franchise should go, and when that is locked up, then hire the best possible showrunner to make it reality. Three steps and Star Trek is back as regular and/or miniseries format.
The writing of Lower Decks was pretty good. If those writers didn't write episodes for a comedy show, we could get a pretta amazing serious Star Trek series.
I agree, there's so much potential with the Earth-Romulan War and the early Federation!
I think it was allready done in the Enterprise novels.
I think the main reason why we look back on TNG with great memories - is the team was a family of heros. Now all the series have infighting, traitors on board, and untrusting crews. Star Trek is supposed to be a universe where humans leave behind all that crap and explore. I want a crew that gets along and I believe in. I stopped watching Picard because they had a traitor on ship. Booh! Make a story about Heros again. Please.
If you kept watching then you would have seen that she wasn't a traitor. She was basically brainwashed
Star Trek: Enterprise B: "What happened after next Tuesday"
Or some other post Undiscovered Country, pre TNG timeline series.
Its pilot could literally be titled “What Happened After Next Tuesday.”
"How to save Star Trek" - It's easy. Just make a philosophical show about how humans have morally evolved, then introduce aliens with modern-day human sensibilities to show the flaws we currently have. Worked for five shows. Star Trek only went downhill when it threw everything philosophical out the window and became a show about lasers and warmongering.
You are correct, sir.
So more Discovery and Picard and less JJ Abrams? I'm in!
@@cidespecific No. No more Abrams, Discovery or Picard. All of that was BS that, in no way, describes what I just did.
@@DraculaCronqvist but it doe since 90% of both discovery and picard is just dialog and philosophy hell in season 2 of discovery there was barely any action and season 3 had a bit more action but once again focused on dialog and world building. the fact is there is less action in the new shows than the old, think about it damn near every episode of TNG has some sort of action be it a space battle, phaser shoot out, or some alien creature hurting the crew in some way with the crew having to fight back but disovery and picard can get away with having 2-3 big action scenes per season with 4-5 smaller ones scattered around so that the bulk of the series can be cheap, easy to shoot dialog scenes.
This sort of thing could never work again because our society no longer agrees on what is moral down to the fundamental levels.
How about one of the ships sent out towards voyager after message in a bottle. Big unexplored part of the Beta Quadrant beyond Romulan space.
I remember a TNG episode mentioning long range 8 year missions. Apperantly the Federation do send ships on long range scouting missions.
@Benjamin Button The horror!
Would just like to see something post Dominion war. Something that addresses the fact that Starfleet failed moral challenges.
Failed moral challenges. Hmmm. Star Trek *has* always offered a way to examine current day issues through its future-human lens.
This is a really interesting idea.
Star Trek: Picard did tackle the Federation failing moral challenges.
@@TheVeritas1 Did they? We got things like the Federation building a slave race and treating it like... well... slaves and the message about that seemed to be 'example _n_ of many of why organics and inorganics can't get along,' rather than something about the Federation not living up to its ideals.
How about what Michael Dorn suggested? Klingon Empire fragmenting alongside the Federation. The Empires view of its own struggles and looking at the Federation from the outside in plus commentary?
@@lukasp5892 I wholeheartedly agree with you. 👍
I realize Enterprise is not the most popular star trek property and it has a lot of haters but I would still love to see a series and or move based about the Earth Romulan war. It's a fascinating period in star trek History that not only serves as the foundation of the Federation but also informs a lot of the stories and politics of star trek universe leading to and past the TNG era. and yes, I am aware there is a Book series about it, which I have not read and I am not sure as to how popular it is, but I still feel like it deserves the on screen treatment and it fits most if not all of the categories that were mentioned. It doesn't have to take place on the Enterprise but could have some of the Characters from it in it, it is still familiar territory but still something newish and as I said earlier it would give more definition to later events in start trek.
Those are just my thoughts so feel free to disagree
I'm forever sad that, despite the problems with Enterprise, it was cancelled before they got to put the Earth/Romulan war on our screens. It was doing the groundwork for it... and then gone. :(
@@JosephDavies stupid Moonves
Enterprise may not have been the strongest of the franchise, but it had all the right ingredients, felt and looked Trek. And especially in comparison to Discovery, Picard, etc it's golden in my book. Star Trek stopped being Star Trek after Enterprise.
@@JosephDavies Yeah, everything had been laid out for the Earth-Romulan War, which is just about the most pivotal offscreen moment in Trek history. I have no idea whether the Enterprise writers would've done the war arc right, but at the very least the cast deserved as shot at it.
@@UltimateTobi I have to disagree, especially with Discovery season 4. That's absolutely Star Trek
1. Starfleet Academy.
2. A series that covers life in the Federation not just Starfleet
3. Scientists in space doing deep science not just Starfleet swooping in to do some cursory scans and almost getting killed because they didn't do it right. Each season could be a new team of scientists engineers and so on, working a specific project.
4. Starfleet actually behaving like a proper and competent military and doing homeguard work, defending and patrolling borders. responding to distress calls, fending off pirates and hostile aliens. Generally making space safe so explorers like the Enterprise can go screw around beyond the borders (That would be a prevailing attitude in said series).
IIRC there were plans to do a series centered on the Academy, but they went DS9 Instead. (Which overall I think is a net gain)
Even Lower Decks could have been a good thing if they had treated it like the original TNG episode instead of the Rick n Morty obnoxio-fest they chose to do instead.
@@teabearchurchill5600
I enjoy Lower Decks because it's an office comedy that looks at Trek from the everyman's perspective. Also, the ship designs are sweet.
@@TheVeritas1 and I actually hated the designs made specifically for the show. ;)
@@teabearchurchill5600
Your loss.
@@TheVeritas1 Not really, No. ^_^
Brilliant! Every idea here is better then anything we seen the last 10 years! -.-
That’s not very hard when you get a group of people together who know and love Star Trek, as opposed to the hacks and diversity hires they have now, who don’t like and don’t care about Trek or it’s fans.
@@mb2000 Sadly a lot of franchises are run that way today 😞
@@mb2000
Clearly, you missed Season 3 of Discovery which demonstrated the creators GET Trek's hopeful, exploratory tone while bringing in some new ideas.
@@TheVeritas1 Yes, I certainly did miss the hopeful, exploratory tone under all the crying, awful story and Burnham worship.
@@mb2000
So, by your standard, TNG was horrible Trek because of a lackluster first season.
I'd watch the shit out of Star Trek: Kitbashed
To be fair, Lower Decks is set on a kitbashed ship.
"I like your ideas, really. Now, I'm excited about the idea of tactile holographic panels hovering over every work station, and reduced lighting that's also all blue."
-executive
Starfleet academy is the only thing that makes sense. Easy to bring in a whole new cast but at the same time easily explain appearances by other actors both as “real” people and holograms when using past historical events as a lesson.
I want to see the adventures of the Enterprise B. That would be the best thing I think that the franchise at this point: a return to the past, but showcasing a forgotten period of trek history.
I could accept that, or Captain Sulu and the Excelsior. 🤔
Yes. And make Saavik the captain instead of that random guy from generations
This sounds ridiculous, but I always thought returning to TOS Paramount films setting would be great. I love the look and feel of those first 6 films.
Nah that’s not ridiculous. Those have always been the best movies, and outside of some references in TNG we don’t see a lot of that time period
That's... actually a great idea. It ticks that box of being an underexplored era of the timeline.
Some of the coolest uniform and starship designs have come from that era. There’s so much wasted potential there.
Plus, taking a Rogue One approach might actually work if you were using one of those movies as your springboard, rather than a single obscure TV episode. Pick it up from the Khitomer accords at the end of Undiscovered Country, and maybe explore the events leading up to the Romulans' temporary withdrawal from galactic politics.
@@Martian_Productions Have you seen the First Frontier Star Trek fan film? Proud to have worked on it, and honestly, I love Eric's work here as well!
Ironically the parasites were supposed to be a major threat for that season. They are given the major threat treatment in Star Trek Online.
100% agree - and then the bomb shell dropped at the end. This is *WAY* more than I'm here for O.O wow!
Star Trek: The Book of Q
The Soong Chronicles
Pefect
All my yes to both of these.
picard: grumbles irritably
My story ideas:
Star Trek: Potemkin (the story of William T. Riker)
Star Trek: Stargazer (the story of Jean-Luc Picard)
It's obvious what ideas I'm aiming for with those titles!
I would like to see a series taking place in the early 25th century, around the same time Star Trek online takes place. Either following a new ship, or make it big and go to the Enterprise-F. Of course not having the same amount of combat as STO, because STO is a game and most mmo/RPG games get boring without it.
You could tell a story based around Shon's crew during the Iconian War since STO actually doesn't explore that aspect of it very much. Shon even comments that it feels like he's been constantly fighting. or have a series set in the Delta Quadrant dealing with the fallout of the war with the Vaadwaur and explore more of that quadrant. The rise and fall of the Vaadwaur Supremacy and the near total destruction of the Krenim would have ripple effects. Another idea would be to have the series based on a group exploring either of the Dyson Spheres. Who knows what traps and creations the Solanae left behind.
THIS. This Right here.
I'm just glad someone else remember Conspiracy and the wasted potential that was the non existing follow-up.
The thing about discovery is the the tech. They are using TNG controls and tech like force feids to protect from the vacuum of space. They didn't have any of that in enterprise or the original series. New stories could be made centered on a different starship and crew or could possibly do a series on the civilian point veiw during a major event in TNG time line. There are so many possibilities. Thank you for thinking the same thing I've been thinking of.
I want a post - Voyager world. Picard was, but I hated the storyline. Just say that first season was in Picard's mind and start over again
I don't think the character of Picard or the other characters/cast members of TNG should return.
Part of the reason why Picard turned out the way it did was because of Patrick Stewart's involvement.
Any post Nemesis Trek should be set so far in the future or away from the Federation that the TNG characters can not make an appearance.
@@TheDutchGhost I agree.
So... Lower Decks? The finale featured Captain Ricker of the USS Titan. ;D
@@UGNAvalon That was my favorite part of Lower Decks! I loved the finale.
Perhaps and anthology series where each season is a different story, could even be across different eras
Liiiiiiike, maybe, oh I dunno, -std?- Each season is a different story, and it is told across different eras. Careful what you wish for!
It can be done Gundam did it and anthology are an old Sci-fi trick, in fact, the Sci-fi channel loves them, Halo does them and I do them... in book form.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough
Yeah but a franchise like _Gundam_ has a completely different infrastructure and fan base compared to _Star Trek,_ but that doesn't mean that work done in one franchise can easily be transferred to the other.
One of those BIG differences is how _Gundam_ markets itself in the forms of the model kits- mobile suits and mobile armors and ships and characters (and occasionally Haro). While _Star Trek_ has a lot of spaceships and shuttles and space stations to play around in, _those_ are not the focus of the franchise _even though_ they are a prominent fixture. I mean, look at the absolute _stink_ that immediately popped-up when the Churchprise came onto the scene claiming to be a different version of the same thing; it's the equivalent of the RX-178 Gundam Mk-II being introduced six years after the RX-78-2 Gundam was. "Look, it even has a V-fin and a bazooka, but it lacks built-in Vulcan guns!" And that's just ONE example of how [relatively] inflexible _Star Trek_ is, because it's a completely different animal from _Gundam._
Now, Trekkers have been exposed to the Mirror Universe a few times, and the idea of alternate realities equally so, but when _Mobile Fighter G Gundam_ came out in 1994, as the very first alternate calendar (AC), and it presented a completely different universe from the one seen in the Universal Century (UC), there was indeed push-back from long-time Japanese fans, _but_ it was accepted NOT as being a REMAKE of UC, but rather a completely different universe with different rules and history and characters and technology.
The difference is _Star Trek_ (2009) tried _and failed_ to convince fans it was not only legitimate "Star Trek" but was _a replacement for_ the Prime Timeline, so the transition there did not work because of mishandling and ignorance. And then- having learned absolutely nothing from the first time around- the _exact same thing_ happened all over again when -std- (2017) and -star tp- (2020) tried to do the exact same thing- 'It's cannon, #DealWithIt you white patriarical homophobic trump supporters!'
I am _not_ saying that _Star Trek_ is incapable of making the jump from one universe (1966-2005) to another alternate universe, but before _any of that_ can happen, the conversion _absolutely must_ take into account what made _Star Trek_ successful in the first place, _and then carry that over_ into the next universe. ...And so far, that has not happened _yet._
@@EVAUnit4A Oh no although that could work Lower decks and all... But I meant Gundam Age where you see 3 gens of Pilot grow up fight and grow old and the grandson wins.
In trek you could see 1 season an ensign fights in the pre-TOS Kilgon war then be a captain of a Consitution then has a son who is going through the ranks ending in Galaxy-class fighting in the dominion war. Whose son goes on to an Odyssey-class to restore Starfleet to its ideals like his father and grandfather.
Pretty much showing how Star fleet always rises through the ashes and the show could be called Star Trek phoenix and the Captins Vulcan.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough
What you just described was -std's- entire third season, as well as the premise of -star tp.- 'The Federation has become corrupt, and we who were raise in it and by it can save it by waiting for it to completely white patriarchy itself to death, AND THEN fix the barn door a thousand years _after_ the horse has come home.' And I'm fairly confident Secret Hideout stole _that_ idea from _Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda_ (2000-05) because they know nothing but using other people's ideas and then falsely claiming they were the first. #JusticeForAnas
While your idea for a multi-generation story sounds reasonable, unlike _Gundam AGE_ where's it's all animated, it's a very different story when you have to do it live-action. And one example of _that_ being done correctly in live-action is _Downton Abbey_ (2010-15). The difference is _DA_ (which I never saw, nor know nothing about) was working off of historical events, so all they had to do was fill in the gaps with fictional drama, _not_ come up with it from scratch. But really- and I'm not trying to sound antagonistic when I say this- we kinda already have a protected-legacy-type scenario already up: the existence of Starfleet, the Federation, and the many crews of the starship _Enterprise,_ who all strive for the same thing across generations _even though_ they are not necessarily connected through family bloodlines.
Federation-Cardassian War would make a very good setting imo. Sets up a lot of stories found in TNG and DS9 and brings back fan favorite antagonists.
Starfleet One: A Star Trek Story
Master Yoda!
Honestly sounds like a movie
@@McGowanForge I don't think so.
Rather NCC-1
@@McGowanForge To me, sounds like a Star Wars spin off lol.
I would still love to see the Terran-Romulan War with Archer and crew making cameos or Sulu's Excelsior again. Or even the Iconians from TNG or O'Brien's experiences in the Federation-Cardassian War just a few years before the start of TNG.
ENT Season 5. That's all I want.
I want to see Phlox tried in The Hague for what he did to Sim and the Valakians. I’d watch a season 5 just for that.
Love the idea here! I didn't realize this when I was reading the series, but the logic in the video is the exact reason why I loved the New Frontier books. They brought back Shelby from Best of Both Worlds, introduced Capt. Calhoun via a Stargazer mission, and linked the rest of the crew to Next Gen, DS9, and the original series in various ways. Bringing back the Tholians as the central political conflict was just a great idea.
There are many things to pick from what you are saying, some examples:
-Life after Voyager comes home
-Pre Borg and after Borg era
-The crystal space thing they totally murdered (I think in TNG)
-The Dominion War
-Bajor and Cardassia conflict from the beginning
-The Klingon Empire conquering stuff, period.
-Romulan world and politics during TNG-DS9
-Who were the people that left the bad thing that killed Yar
And so on and so on.
The battle of wolf 359 is something that I would thoroughly like to ACTUALLY see rather than hear about after the fact
Wolf 359 is in the first episode of DS9
@@mariasirona1622 fair point but even then that’s mid-conflict and it’s heavily contextualised and it’s still not as much of Wolf 359 as I would like
@@mrsaltyauthor5992 ah ok
@@mrsaltyauthor5992 It is a battle, without a story. Right?
@@flatflatspin9855 in one sense yes it is a conflict without story. But that’s all conflict at one level or another. But using historic trek as a launching point for narratives means you can do different things. Wolf 359 gives you a situation where you can have effectively a one shot narrative like a mini-series that bounces across the entire fleet under Vice Admiral Hanson. You’re able to express the nature of starfleet in this period of time in small moments across a grander conflict in a way that can’t/couldn’t be done previously.
What you’re describing is almost exactly Lower Decks though isn’t it?
Not exactly. LD is animated Trek sitcom, it's meant to be comedy, not seriously intended to be taken seriously.
Yeah but lower decks is a unfunny cartoon where his idea would be more serious but with more far out ideas
Lower Decks is exactly what he is talking about. I get the hate from the "purists" because if it's not what they think Trek is supposed to be they hate it but how many hundreds of things in TNG were completely cringe worthy. I love Lower Decks and I loved Star Trek when I was a kid in 1966 and saw the originals as they aired. If they can make more Star Trek series and we watch them then maybe they will make a stuffy, cringe worthy series that these "purists" will enjoy.
Nobody takes Lower Decks seriously. It’s a silly cartoon sitcom. We’re talking about a real Star Trek show.
Yeah I guess you guys are right. Star Trek has never been animated or funny before.
Here are some more ideas for new star trek series:
1. romulan war, ending with treaty of algeron. (approx. 65-75 years ago, from end of voyager)
2. romulan attack on khitomer, where worf's parents were killed. (approx. 40 years ago)
3. setlik III massacre, during the cardassian war. (10-20 years ago)
4. beginning of cardassian occupation of bajor. (60-65 years ago)
5. beginning of trills joining with symbionts (approx. 300 years ago if i remember correctly, so about 2075 on human calendar?)
6. the zalkonian people changing into energy-based life-forms (some would refuse, and continue on with their culture) - as seen in ST:TNG s03e25 "Transfigurations"
7. the dying race of the kobliad, and their struggle to survive - as seen in ST:DS9 s01e09 "The Passenger" (some would try anything to survive: hybridization with another species, genetic engineering, some kind of borg-like cyborgization, uploading the mind into a computer, etc.)
I once followed a Star Trek TTRPG podcast called _Shield of Tomorrow,_ which did roughly this; they played out the voyages of the USS Sally Ride, an Intrepid Class starship exploring an area of the galaxy known as the Shackleton Expanse while the events of Deep Space Nine play out in the background. Much of the drama of the series revolves around the characters struggling to stay true to the ideals of Starfleet while events conspire to drag them into the Dominion War, or bring them into conflict with Section 31.
How to save Star Trek:
Step one - fire Kurtzman
Step two - fire all writers
And...?
@@optillian4182 ...hire better ones?
Stay away from CBS/CW writers! Hire actual sci-fi authors to work with tV screenwriters. Like TOS and TNG
Honestly, I wouldn't trust the current 'administration' with making a new Star Trek series set in the TNG era. Trek from back then looked at problems in humanity and threw them into the future, where they'd been solved. It was a hopeful and positive outlook on the future of mankind. But with the precedent that Discovery left I feel like the current makers of Trek superimposed current humanity onto that universe, and made it just as depressing as our current world. I watch, and love, Trek because it isn't like our current world: it's so much better
I'd hate to see TNG retroactively ruined by having modern flawed humanity written in rather than the better side of us as is in the original broadcasts
About to go to bed, then I see the pacific 201 is done!!! Awesome!
If it were me I'd do the original Cardassian war with perhaps appearances of ships like the New Orleans class USS Rutledge which Obrien served on (maybe even setting the show on it) and seeing the events like the Setlik III massacre brought to life while tying nicely into established canon about the Cardassians and pre-TNG events.
I think part of why I like ST Lower Decks so much is because it kind of does what you were talking about. It took an idea (in this case, what happens to all the planets the Enterprise discovers once they leave) and showed us which a TNG style much ship that was still familiar, but much less important. If we could get a live action version similar to Lower Decks with an interesting take on TNG era events I think it would be a huge success.
Oh Henry, I like how you went from "STD is something new and fresh and that is what's needed" to "too many retcons, too much crying, TNG is great as it is and we should stick with it".
I would watch a movie expanding on the purple bugs. Isn't that what they did with Star Trek 2? Expand on an episode?
Also what they did in Star Trek 8.
@@martineyles I never heard someone calling it Star Trek 8. Took me a second to realize you mean First Contact. LOL
@@charon1701 I normally use the name; I just used the number to be consistent with what I was replying to.
@@martineyles I thought of Insurrection as 8 🤷♂️ somthing just doesn't seem right with how they either Numbered the films or transitioned from Original to Next Generation of Movies .
Like I think if you're gonna put a number on a Star Trek movie it should only go up to STVI Imo
Mainly a ground engagement perspective during the Dominion War of a Red Squad crew. Following the USS Rutledge, with brief appearances by O'Brian and Vaptain Maxwell during the Cardassian Boarder Wars. Getting a behind the scenes look at the formation of the Maquis along with some of their operations.
100% agree. Conspiracy is a fantastic episode and would make a great jumping off point.
Sounds like Star Trek: Renegade sounds like a winner!
That's what Discovery and Picard should have done instead of the disappointment of Kurtzman dropping a steaming turd on Star Trek.
a production exploring the various wars that the federation has been involved in would be very interesting, the Romulan war, the tzenkethi war, the first cardassian war... so much storytelling in it
You know I think it would be fair to say that TNG’s visual style didn’t just last the test of time. In some ways it kind of defined the time. A lot of people who grew up with the show went on to design the technology we use today. They took inspiration from their beloved Sci Fi and much of what they created shares its design language. In an interesting sort of way a lot of TNG feels more at home in the current decade than the one it came from.
Would be nice to see a klingon series see the federation from their point of view. Original Kirk's time would be perfect because they are still on the bad side.
There was a game based solely on the Klingons.
@@dixievfd55 yes I kind of remember that.
Star Trek Intergalactic: When the Enterprise D went to the Triangulum galaxy, that event didn't go unnoticed by the locals. The cryptic story The Traveler gave for how they got there was meant to cancel a very real path. But back at Starfleet headquarters, they didn't buy the "it was an accident" explanation and ran a covert experiment that opened the door. Now, in the year 2380, the Enterprise E is on the front line of an invasion from a non-humanoid, extremely malevolent, and highly intelligent, species from another galaxy.
DS9-2: Electric Boogaloo
Thank you for the great idea
Excellent perspective!
I always wanted to see more engagements between Picard and Tomalak. To me that "dynamic" should have been explored more in-depth and I think it was a missed opportunity.
I always thought that the Marquee stuff could be really interesting to see.
You mean Maquis. That would be an interesting faction to explore in the TNG era.
@@TheVeritas1 You could tie it into the Cardassian War such as the attack on Setlik III that O'Brien referenced so often in TNG & DS9.
Mix in a little Garak while in the Obsidian Order for good measure. Not enough to ruin his established story with lame over exposition. Just an interesting snapshot of how he was back then
I agree. I actually had a similar idea for a show, only it would start after Voyager's return, but we are dealing with a crew that fought side by side with the Defiant during the war. This was the USS Maryland that Garak mentions in Purgatory's Shadow. Instead of being destroyed, the ship and its crew along with the crew of Romulan and Klingon ships forced to fight for their lives against Dominion soldiers using them to gain experience, just to get home just in time for the Cardassians to be building for war. We don't need to always show that, what is more important is where it leaves our crew at the beginning of the show, and how, upon receiving a new ship and are assigned to go into unexplored space looking for a missing crew, how they fight pass this desire to be more militarized and return to the ideals which the Federation held dear. It also sort of fixes the only problem DS9 created for the series, which us that it left Starfleet very militaristic and more eager to fight than work things out. This gives you a great opportunity to cameo DS9 crew, VOY, and TNG crews. We can also finally see what happened to cause the supernova that destroyed Romulus (something oddly Picard never did) and soft reboot these moments in a way that suggest DISCO and Picard are alternate timelines. This would take place abou 7 years latter than your pitch, but it accomplishes most of the same.
Your Pacific-201 was so amazing. The special effects were perfect (meaning I didn't see any lame artifacts or anything that looked fake). The story was spot-on. Obviously some notes about the acting, but that's bound to happen when you have a limited budget like that. Good news is it gave some aspiring actors a chance to stretch their legs and maybe even get exposure. I hope you can make another one.
Even if it was set in that era, I would still need to be convinced to pay for it, given how they have tarnished their good reputation for writing these last 15 years
Also what about a semi-serious show about Risa, or a Starfleet station orbiting Risa, set durring the Dominion War. Something upbeat but with glimpses into the tragedy going on arround this pleasant world through its many visitors.
a 'love boat' type of show based on Risa? mmm, that might be cool!
Joss Whedon has had some good ideas. A Star Trek universe version of a "Firefly crew" could be a profitable spinoff. Star Trek: Renegades "fanfiction" is another possibility along this line.
The earth romulan war would be cool to see. You could have it set on a different ship other then the nx-01, maybe an order design. You could explore who hard it is to run an older ship during a war how every bet of damage could affect if you make it home or not. Even the down time between engagements and how the war has affected them would be interesting.
Could also be set on an emergency wartime stopgap design... incorporating any technology from the Enterprise, Columbia, etc. that wasn't too expensive and would contribute to achieving kills on Romulans, and very little else.
I really like your fan film, especially that absolutely gorgeous ship.
Isn't Star Trek already doing this with Star Trek: Strange New Worlds? Exploring the time period when the original Enterprise was commanded by Pike before Kirk?
Its still a retcon of TOS era.
Ya the problem is Secret Hideout is both contractually not allowed to and by corporate culture is unwilling to make a Star Trek that’s like Rouge One is to a New Hope I.E. Close enough that you can forgive the problems because it feels like it could possibly have been all happening off screen at the same time, The strange new world Enterprise does not look like the original Enterprise it looks like an alternate reality Enterprise and they are insistent that it’s in the same reality is part of the problem I think, like it hate it doesn’t matter the ships feel different and telling me that it’s really the same NCC 1701 I love is going to make it just that much more difficult for me to get immersed in the story.
If it happens
It wont be that. IMHO
It is part of the Cuntmanverse, not Prime timeline.
If SNW is doing what EC Henry is proposing, we would have seen the original Gold/Blue uniform, greyish-blue bridge. The OG Enterprise, with Bussard pike.
I think the new trek aesthetics, especially from disco and Picard bother me a lot more than they really should
Picard was aggressively generic. The hero ship was just another box, the Romulan ships looked like airplanes. The fleets were entirely copy-paste.
@@aibohphobe either entire fleets of literary the same ship or reused models from discovery
Super lazy imo
Goes in line with their interior designs as well, like the dreaded holographic HUDs
For the Renegade series, I would start the series a year before. This would give us a few episodes to build up to Conspiracy.
I'd love to see an Enterprise-C animated series with the penultimate episode ending with the distress call from Narendra III and the final episode being a 90 minute special starting with the battle above Narendra III, moving into "Yesterday's Enterprise" from the perspective of C's crew, then the final battle.
Mini-series could also be a means for Trek to flesh out established eras with 3-10 episode mini-series. They could also pull from American Horror Story and begin crafting crossover mini-series with crews meeting up, their plots intertwining, and crafting a large interconnected galaxy that doesn't need every miniseries to focus on Starfleet.
Picard and his first command on Stargazer would be great imo
Star Trek: Stargazer would probably do for a name. Continuing the tradition of DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise.
The TNG period already has two "spin offs". Voyager and DS9
Could always do a Post Enterprise Romulan war or a spin-off DS9 focusing solely on a ship going from Exploring to war to exploring again. Could do many spin-off of Lower decks based on it's season-ending.... of just set on the Enterprise-E.
Which only proves it's ripe fodder for more.
Enterprise C era spin-off?
@@martineyles YES . That ship has so much more to tell then just her final mission.
@@martineyles That honestly has the most potential.
Reruns are 1000 times better than anything new. The new shows look amazing and are very well done, but nothing about them make me want to revisit over and over again like I did with the 5 old series.
I was skeptical of Lower Decks at first, but I find that an animated show nails down these:
• Good even lighting
• Legacy characters
• Tame VFX
• TNG - VOY set design and uniforms
• Camera work and directing
I'd love to see a rogue one-ish spinoff during the TOS movie era, since not much "star treky" storytelling actually happened during that era. Also, the uniforms and ship desings are really solid and show a perfect ballance between futuristic and actually being used and worn.
They will change it!!!!
I just wish more corporate money milkers realize what they're killing, by completely ignoring the vision Roddenberry had. Thank you EC Henry for speaking out! gonna watch your fan film immediately! :D
@samson pessah but they didnt fuck up in fans eyes as discovery is the most watched trek series since DS9 a series that also gave roddenberrys vison the bird. roddenberrys vison makes for a hopeful tomorrow but crap TV.
@@exilestudios9546 “most watched”? Yet there are no numbers to support that. If CBS playing STD is any indication, it’s a fallacy
@@exilestudios9546 Shows are more accessible by an insane margin then ever before. You have to do some pretty hefty scaling for anything pre-2000s to reflect actual popularity. Being most watched in 2021 compared to something from the 1960s (the Original Series) or even the 1990s (DS9) doesn't mean anything, you have to multiply that older audience multiple times over to become reflective. There's just way more people to watch something now, and way more people that can. When The Original Series aired, TVs were still anywhere from 1-to-3 months of your yearly income for the average family. Now a high quality TV costs what, a weeks worth of wages for the average family, if that? And you can now broadcast, especially through the internet, to a far wider audience in every part of the globe. When Star Trek DS9 was airing, they had writers in Italy and other countries sending in scripts for the show who 3 seasons in hadn't even seen the show, because it wasn't broadcast there. Now shows release with subtitles and often full dubs for half a dozen or more languages.
Essentially, what I'm saying is that being 'the most watched star trek series since DS9' doesn't mean shit. It's like how the new Star Wars movies are allegedly super popular compared to the old ones. No, they're not. It's just the potential audience has increased by a factor of 10 or so, meaning if you're even half as popular as the original you'll still be doing much better numbers. It has no reflection on quality.
I would love to see if they make a show based on Star Trek!
Wouldn't that be Star Trek?
@@matbroomfield Why yes, it would!
@@EvanG529 :-)
I rewatched all TNG. Still amazing.
2 ideas:
the Melbourne, That ship Riker was offered just before Wolf 359 for a movie of some kind.
or:
The time covered by Star Trek the Animated series that was retconned out of existence, that show finished the 5 year mission, but with it's retcon, only 4 years of the Enterprise mission are documented, for a TV series.
I want to see Star Trek: Titan with Will Riker as captain.
Trek desperately needs more Riker Leans.
🤗 why didn't I think of that.........I kept thinking Captain Sulu and the Excelsior. 👍
I've sadly completely lost confidence in any future star treks being anything like the glory days. It's like saying goodbye to a dead friend.
Yes.
Needs a cleaning and restart.
But that could end up being in the hands of the wrong people... again.
It needs at least a decade break to distance the Fanbase from this swill we’ve been receiving
What I'd really like to see explored is The Lost Era; the gulf of time between Star Trek Generations and TNG that is only touched on with stuff like Yesterday's Enterprise, but is otherwise pretty unknown.
And that could, at least partially, give us a bit of the classic TNG feel and show how that came into being.
I've always wanted to see a show centered around at the Timeship Relativity...
I literally can't watch Discovery, it's just too damn painful.
It’s not only badly written and insipid, but utterly devoid of the stuff that makes Trek what it is.
Better than Picard at least, which is a total disgrace to the franchise.
it jumps out, in a flashy suit and clubbers you over the head all the while screaming "current political issues, get it? GET IT!?"
@@devmag52 "That was *not* _Star Trek_ !"-everyone I encountered back in 1987 upon first viewing TNG.
@@KatamuroTheFirst TOS often dealt with current political issues. I've never understood complaints like yours. In fact, tv stations in the south refused to air the episode "Plato's Stepchildren" because they claimed the interracial kiss was shoving desegregation down their throats. "A Private Little War" and "The Omega Glory" were thinly veiled Vietnam episodes. Hell, Chekov's presence on the show was an acknowledgement of the Soviet Union's presence in space even though they were an enemy. Gene Roddenberry was clear his multiracial, multi-ethnic cast was intended to send a political message. If that went over your head, you either are a) too young to be aware of this, b) too ignorant of history and politics, or c) both a and b. _Star Trek_ was woke before woke was even a word.
There is no saving Star Trek until Kurtzman and crew can no longer use the IP. Besides, after "the Axanar incident", why should we want to do anything trek related, when the current IP holders are SO hostile to the true fans? (Especially since, to my knowledge, those atrocious "guidelines" have yet to be rescinded.)
It's the reason I've been designing my own Sci-Fi universe since then.
I ve always through the a series set on Nimbus III would be good. Starting off in late TOS where everyone involved had good intentions and watching it unwind to the state we see it in in Star Trek V and what happened after.
I like the fact that CBS just has guidelines for fan films.
Also I completely agree that a return to the NextGen era would be a good place for a one off film.
I feel that Star Trek needs to leap a generation or two ahead and return to their roots of moral plays with new lifeforms, new civilizations, and new technologies for we humans to aspire to invent. I've got my own Star Trek story overview already written and sitting in a pile of stuff I read on my own from time to time.
So, you want Season 1 (almost universally agreed as the worst season) of DS9.
@@drawingdead9025 No, I want fresh clean new stories. Perhaps harvest some of the scripts and stories written by the fans. Relying on gilded writers is the reason for the lack of originality. Sure some of those stories might suck but there would also be some great one that inspire future generations.
Wolf 359: a Star Trek Story
I'd either do stories that on the Enterprise B, or in that era. There is so much you can do with the Romulans trying to stop the peace talks with the Federation and Klingons, you could explore the Orion Syndicate more. There is a lot there. Either that, or I would do a series that takes place shortly after Nemesis about a starship that is specifically designed for Search and Rescue missions. You could have the show more of a mystery series, solving puzzles and what not. Or even do a History Channel type mini series about the Earth/Romulan War where they break down battles, talk to aged vets and historians.
That cliffhanger ending was finally explored in Star Trek Online
Yes! Star Trek must divest itself of the madness and poop of Discovery and Picard and return to beauty of TNG and DS9.
I would like to see probert’s enterprise c as the hero ship.
Indeed that would be great, even if the ship looks to quickly put together
I second this!
@@fernandoqueirozpopovic7024
I think that if Trekkers are willing to accept the TOS-to-TMP _Enterprise_ conversion, then it's not unreasonable to think they would accept the retcon of using Probert's original _Ent-C_ design over the rushed one from "Yesterday's Enterprise."
Case-in-point, even though it's from the alternate license, I genuinely respect the Churchprise as an updated version of _TOS Enterprise..._ at least up until _Beyond,_ where- even though I really like the movie- director Justin Lin demanded changes that ultimately made me HATE what he had done to it. Likewise, though I have NEVER seen a single episode of -std,- I really sincerely and honestly like the -std- _Enterprise_ that Alex Jaeger came up with. ("Jaegerprise"?)
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@@EVAUnit4A well fine point takes everyone has their own design fav, my personal favorites are of course the TOS Connie and the refit Connie, the Sovereign right on 3rd and surprisingly Deadalus-class in 4th and finally one of my personal top 5 fav is the upgraded Excelsior class like the B. Frankly I dislike the Std design because of the pylons and impuls exhausts but not gona hate on it. But the C as is would do just fine i mean with some serious CGI tweaking it could be a great class of ships too.
@@fernandoqueirozpopovic7024
If you watch my video on the -std- Enterprise, I discuss why I got it VS financially supporting a known dumpster fire, and I also explain why I genuinely like it despite its source material- swept holey pylons, widened impulse nozzles. Eh, granted I don't go into the depths of it like EC Henry here did with his analysis, but I felt it was a justifiable change from TOS.
Coincidentally, I'm working on an unboxing of Eaglemoss' Daedalus-class right now! (Didn't come with the magazine, I need to write to them about that.)
Lots of options and sub stories they could do.
Star Trek: Terran Marine Corps - story following a small squad during the Dominion war, exploring the life of starfleet marines as the face the trails and stress of ground combat... while also furthering the lore of other groups "ground troops".
Star Trek: Star Fleet Cadets - story following a group of cadets through their academy run training on Earth, Mars, the Moon, training missions, and such.
Highly agree with the Rouge One Model!
One thing I miss about the old Star Trek series is how they were filmed more like a stage play, with mostly practical sets. It made the spaces feel like real places that you could step into, unlike a lot of modern shows that do dozens of close up shots.
Hey, could you talk about Star Trek:Lower decks? I would like to see your opinion about it.
I do love the 2360s aesthetic. The D has always been my favourite. I do see what you mean about the flashy and sort of chaotic design of more recent trek.
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Nice idea, for me I would do an animated series set after the events of Star Trek The Motion Picture and fill in the missing blanks.
That had a great aestetic
@@chriswright6245 I'm glad you like the idea.
What about the USS Lollipop? I hear it's a good ship.
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I could see one idea along those lines maybe being a story set during the Cardassians Border Wars, showing us the conflict that we only really heard about. I feel like that would be cool because it could tie in to both TNG and DS9, showing us Starfleet battling the Cardassians and seeing how those officers and the Federation citizens deal with that and its fallout with the show ending on the formation of the Maquis