Sisko is the Anti-Picard
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2017
- The character of Sisko is an almost perfect inversion of the character of Picard. Was that intentional?
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TNG is how Starfleet acts when everything is fine. DS9 is how Starfleet acts when everything is fucked. That's how I've come to look at it, anyway.
I see were that point is coming from, however, I do not think that it is correct. There are also some very dangerous situations for the Enterprise & the Federation in TNG. Only think about the impending judgements by Q, the conflict with the Romulans, and the attack of the Borg.
I think the main reasons for the rather different depiction of the Star Trek universe are the following:
1) DS9 shows a lot of everyday life and conflicts. It is much harder to create relatable and believable SciFi in that area. So they made it more "down to earth", meaning "more like the life of the viewers".
2) DS9 was done in a later period of the 1990s. At the beginning of the 1990s there was a lot of optimism about the future. This already started to decline in the 1990s and DS9 is a mirror of this.
3) Gene Roddenberry died in 1991 and after that the whole Star Trek franchise more and more deterred from Roddenberry's strong humanistic and utopian vision. DS9 was the first series done without his involvement and that is showing. However, not as strong as it did in ENT oder JJ.
I would say TNG is how rational, idealistic humans of the future would act, DS9 is how todays selfish humans would act in the same situation. DS9 was not more realistic as many people say, it was just less idealistic,more morally questionable and immature...a mirror of the american society of the late 90´s-today in comparison to that US of the 40´s-late 80´s that dominated Star Trek before!
TheddunTOSS The Enterprise D inarguably faced several conflicts, but the status of the surrounding Federation is what made them "fine." The Galaxy Class is a veritable luxury liner masquerading as an exploration vessel. It was a want-nothing ship that expressed the paradise of Federation Humanism life, and how that lifestyle is better than all the others. The conflicts TNG had were incidental skirmishes with sometimes immense, but ultimately short-lived conflicts that resolved in the Federation remaining utopia.
DS9's perspective is more how Starfleet operates when it's acting to preserve it's very existence from overwhelming opposition. As you said, this is with more everyday conflicts and relatibility, but it's also missing the luxuries and stability of a Federation station. I personally see the whole show as a challenge to the core values of the Federation by putting them in the fray of present social politics.
"It's easy to be a saint in paradise. But, this isn't paradise..." should be the tagline for the entire series.
TNG was all about peace and a golden age in the alpha quadrant, DS9 was a huge cluster fuck of hostile shit coming through the wormhole.
TNG "everything was fine" ? What the hell ?? The Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, the Borg and so many other villains, nothing was "fine" !!!
"The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth."--Picard, ("The First Duty")
"I lied, I cheated, I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder and the most damning part of it all is I think I can live with it."--Sisko ("In the Pale Moonlight")
Yes, definitely an inversion.
you just took random quotes...wtf wrong with you
Sisko did save the alpha quadrant though.........
@@jayclark8805 They arent random quotes... they're a contradiction of eachother. Picard is obsessed with truth, while Sisko admitted to lieing, bribing men and being an accessory to murder.
Hey we bought Romulan support for the life of a Romulan official, and the self esteem of a single starfleet officer, I call that a bargen.
@@jayclark8805 not ramdom they bithbsaid that in the show
I had never though of that, but I think you're right, but before Sisko was the anti-Picard, Picard was the anti-Kirk.
Touche!
What is Janeway then? A Distaff Counterpart to another captain? Or truly original?
I think she melds both types. She was generally aloof, personally, and was professional in her demeanor. However, she took huge risks and often violated Star Fleet guidelines. What do you think?
Perhaps. She was standoff ish at first, but took on a more material role (esp w/ characters like Torres and Seven). I think she is closer to Sisko in that she did questionable things to get her crew home. That being said, she was notably reckless in several instances (such as the game of chicken into a BINARY STAR in "Scientific Method". Hell, she surprised Tuvok with that one!
Yes, very true.
Sisko was a tv dad for alot of black nerds like me
.............James Evans was my TV dad and I'm white. I prefer Picard over Sisko but Sisko is easily my second favorite captain a close second to Picard.
I never considered that impact. It's very likely that unlike picard that Sisko was far more fitting as a surrogate father figure. Though thinking on it yes this does make sense, Picard is more, the mentor, someone you want to learn from for their vast knowledge and experience. Sisko however would definitely be a father, someone you'd want to watch over you, to teach you life lessons more then actual lessons. Kirk's the kind of guy you wanna get into a bar fight with, against or with it wouldn't matter kirk would make it an interesting bar fight.
Sisko was an incredible character. He was much more relatable than Picard and was a role model for me too, even though I'm white.
Star Trek always did messages about inclusivity the right way: they wrote original characters who happened to have whatever skin color and genitals that they had; they got respect through their exemplary character, their technical competence, and by intellectual discussion when necessary rather than by protests and personal attacks; they gave just as much respect as they expected to get from the people around them; and they wouldn't put up with discrimination against anybody. It's like that interview with Morgan Freeman: they quit talking about race (and gender) and they just lived it. I wish more of society would go down this path.
The way people turn off my interest is by rewriting existing characters to fit some agenda, fan base be damned (like deciding that The Force is Female, that Doctor Who by thunder now has to have a female doctor, or that Thor is now female, or that whatever superhero this week is going to be turned into a minority or be gay or whatever), or by making characters one-dimensional caricatures with ridiculously predictable character arcs (anyone from the South or from flyover country is by default an ignorant racist, etc.).
I'm neither black or white, nor do I know who Sisko is, but he was definitely my role model.
I can certainly see how he could be seen as a role model
DS9 was the anti-TNG in so many ways. The Enterprise is the Federation flagship, staffed by the best of the best, always going on exciting missions, etc. In the beginning nobody really wanted to be on DS9, they just got stuck there. The Defiant is the anti-Enterprise, being a tiny warship rather than an exploratory vessel like the rest of Starfleet. It even gets hijacked by Tom Riker, the anti-Will Riker, just to really drive the point home.
On the flipside it humanized many of the traditional villains of TNG (Klingons, Ferengi, Cardassians). It turned the concept of Star Trek completely on its head to see if it still holds up and worked brilliantly.
Actually Jullian Bashir wanted to be on DS9 :)
Ok, with few exceptions ;)
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The character O'Brien, who is my favorite in the franchise, stated he hated being on Enterprise.
I always thought that DS9s purpose was to show a different "level" of the federation.
Basically... NextGen shows us the "best of the best", people who are at the top... they are the best in their fields and they are high up in the federation hierarchy because of the status the Enterprise has as the flagship.
And DS9 showed the more flawed individuals, I am not saying that those aboard the Enterprise didnt have flaws but maybe fewer and maybe they were more determined to overcome their flaws or not let them show (like Picard).
The folks on DS9 more or less accepted their flaws and never seemed to consider themselves as "best of the best".
They saw themselves as pretty much standard federation citizens thrown into special situations at times simply because of DS9s position, not because they themselves were special.
And I think this shows throughout the whole show.
Bashir is the outsider when his genetic modifications and his superiority become apparent... for a short time the others dont know how to deal with him, he suddenly seems "above" them with his abilities while they are "normal".
And Sisko struggles for a long time to accept his special position as emissary...
This is why I always thought DS9 was supposed to be the look into the "guts" of the federation, the "middle class", if you will, where people are less perfect representatives of the federation than those at the top of Starfleet...
Sisko successfully played the Romulans at their own game, so major props for that.
Ya man just the sight of Romulans make me uneasy but their women...Im a little more welcoming.
Garrick did, at least.
Sisko would never have blown up that shuttle, so I think the true credit goes to Garrick who had everything planned out, accounting for even Sisko himself.
@@bruxinth4660 and yet, The Sisko went to Garak knowing that Garak would do what *needed* to be done. Deep down, he *knew* that Garak would get his hands dirty in ways Sisko couldn't even dream of
you could expand this to the whole crew really .... kira is the anti riker in emotional temperament, dax is the anti data in sociability and humanness (or trillness), bashir is the anti crusher as a young pup on the search for a good time, odo is the anti worf because he doesnt follow the rulebook to get things done (until worf shows up on the station), o brien is the anti geordi in that all the engineering is hobbled together, quark is the anti guinan in that he is scheming and manipulative and nog is the anti wesley in that he was never a golden boy to begin with...
However saying all that there are commonalities ... the first officers are responsible and sexually intriguing in the series stories, the science officers need to step into themselves, the security guards are lonely figures far from home, the doctors are humanitarians to the point of getting in trouble, the engineers are problem solvers who take the most pride in the ship/station, the bartenders break the rules and the hierarchies to teach the officers lessons about themselves and the wider world and the kids develop a burning need to serve and prove themselves
the reason for the commonalities is because we are like the scientists, the engineers, the managers, the bartenders... trek characters are based on archetypes of our own society
Jake was also anti-Wesley as he had no interest in joining Starfleet, but became a writer and journalist.
Excellent commentary. I was always comparing Wesley to Jake though for some reason.
"nog is the anti wesley in that he was never a golden boy to begin with..."
And doesn't make everyone want to cause grievous bodily harm to a child
And Worf was the anti-Worf because he stopped getting the shit kicked out of him every episode-
@@Phoenix-214 Lmao! This was so weird, suddenly Worf the guy who was thrown around like a baseball could beat the Jem'hadar! Worf got a lot better on DS9
I think one of the other major differences was that there was a lack of long term consequence in TNG. New episode, a new day in a new place. DS9, staying in the same system meant that anything that happened could and often did impact later on the show.
To a certain degree. It wasn't fully realized though. For example. When Miles served 20 years in prison within the span of a few days. He was left scarred and badly damaged, but the next episode acted like it never happened. They did that a lot, but then stuck some other things like Worf mourning Dax.
My theory is that warp drives arrest personal development. TNG and TOS were set on starships, so they were episodic, but DS9 was set on a space station, so it had an arc.
@@nathanielhellerstein5871But Voyager also had an arc
"Picard never hit me."
I ain't Picard.
Kirk would have punched you.
Looks like Lorca would have punched Q as soon as he steps one foot on the Discovery lol
Picard NEVER needed to punch Q...thats the difference...and if it wasnt for prophet mommy, and lots of shield armor, he would have been erased from continuity all togheter...
Why people think Sisko losing his cool and punching Q is "badass" is beyond me. If anything, it indicates a lack of impulse control.
Picard was a prime example of idealist. Sisko was a realist. I still believe that DS9 was the most realistic vision of the Federation.
Peter Nichols Thank you!
You kind of missed the point of Star Trek: it is one of idealism and hope. Having a representative of Starfleet (Ben Sisko) lose his cool and engage in warcrimes does not inspire much of anything.
Ragitsu Star Trek (and Gene Roddenberry) missed the point of being romotely realistic in how intelligent species behave and interact in the pie-in-the-sky and way too far over the top idealism of ToS and TNG. DS9 corrected those mistakes. Ben Sisko is real, relatable, visceral yet intellectual, brash sometimes but usually level headed....
Just actually watch DS9, seasons 3 - 7, and really pay attention, and try to appreciate its dark grittyness as the best thing to ever happen to Star Trek. Pardon me for borrowing from SW but, join us on the dark side -- it's ridonculously cool and muuuuuuch more realistic (and please don't "explain" Roddenberry's vision to me -- that we evolve, figuratively, to such morality and civility...... I get it, I just reject and rebuke it vehemently and wholeheartedly.
"Pardon me for borrowing from SW but, join us on the dark side -- it's ridonculously cool and muuuuuuch more realistic"
Oh, the cookies? There is already enough grittiness and ugliness in real life to satiate those with questionable palettes. No, thank you. I prefer to consume something that is at least inspirational if lofty.
Ragitsu "Lofty"? okay, whatever. You realize DS9 does have happy endings too -- it just has an actual believable path of tribulation and strife on the way. Also, instead of almost always wrapping up everything neatly, DS9 leaves problems looming with slight ambiguity -- everywhere and at all times. Keep fantasizing about mankind someday reaching utopia. I'll enjoy fiction that is more anchored in reality.
The one thing I disagree with here is the description of Picard as prim, proper, and from a good upbringing.
Picard was actually kind of a ruffian as a kid and into his academy years... in fact he almost died in a bar fight at Starfleet academy. Hardly prim. Also let's look at his family--- his brother hardly gives off the vibe of an aristocrat. Picard became the way he did because he knew he had to cut himself off from his basal attitudes if he wanted to make something of himself, due in part to Boothby, the Starfleet groundskeeper and in part to his near death injury in the bar fight.
ThexGuardian not to mention he also has a mind meld with Sarek (Spocks dad)
White Guilt is currently a fad in many communities, when they see a white person acting in a proper manner they assume they were born with a silver spoon and never had a blister in their life. It's pretty much bigotry.
Apparently coming from a rough backround means you cant be a civilized individual as an adult. Fucking bullshit.
Picard does however consciously give off the image of an officer and a gentleman, his emotional distance is a partially a result of his upbringing. This isn't to say Picard is a bad character or poorly written, he is just very different.
either ww3 didn't fuck france, or ~the revolution~ decided to just leave alone every "family owned land" because of reasons. gotta wonder why the picard vineyard wasn't turned into housing or industrial replicators, such a thing seems rare and yet here's a man with his wife and child who owns and runs a huge amount of land and everyone just seems to leave him alone.
That's a great point I never thought about before. So there's no money in the 24th century... but there is land ownership? How is that any better? All lack of money means is that, once you own land, you own it forever... sort of a built-in caste system. As much as I love the episode Family, methinks there's something amiss in the 24th century.
Sisko‘s reaction whenever he deals with a baby is always fun to watch. I think we are also seeing Brook’s love of children there. I know he’s an actor and all, but he just lights up in a way that’s beyond just acting. That’s part of why Ben and Jake felt so realistic as father and son.
Sisko was my favorite captain. I found him to be much more real and believable. He was flawed. And I loved him. I have always loved comparing DS9 to TNG. Ignoring the death of Roddenberry and the shift that Berman made away from Gene's utopian vision of the future, I always rationalized in-universe Sisko's or DS9's cruel existence and harsher reality as being a consequence of it being a border outpost abutting the Gamma quadrant. They were more vulnerable, they were less supported, they were in a crueler section of space. Help was days away. Sisko was the cowboy captain but he had to grow into that role.
"In the Pale Moonlight" shows Sisko being Sisko. He did what he had to do. He brought the Romulans into the war but had to give up (for himself) part of what Starfleet is in the process.
In the episode where Commander Sisko was finally promoted to Captain, the DS9 staff had a celebration party wherein Chief O’Brien made a toast to “to the newest and BEST captain in Starfleet.” This scene is significant because O'Brien served under both Captains, and so the fact that he used the word "best" when referring Sisko clearly establishes who he personally thought was better. As for Wolf, who also served under both Captains, we can observe that after serving under Picard for many years, Worf considered leaving Starfleet, but after serving under Sisko for only a very brief time, he decided to stay in Starfleet. Further to this, Worf later admitted to Jadzia that he felt intimidated by Sisko but never ever admitted, suggested, or inferred to anyone that he felt intimidated by Picard. :)
O'Brien had a brown-nosing tendency. In the Wounded he butters up both his former (Maxwell) and current (Picard) captains. I wouldn't pay any attentions to such praises from him.
@@Mia199603 I noticed you you didn't have any refute for the part where I discussed Worf though. :)
@@CaptainBarsThat’s because Picard wasn’t best friends with his crew, they had good working relationships. In “All Good Things” the last TNG episode, Picard shows up to his first poker game. While Sisko cooked dinner once every few weeks for everyone.
You also have to realize that there is likely a lot of trauma bonding on DS9.
Sisko will always be my favorite captain, but I love Picard too. Both showed incredible leadership and character, despite having polar opposite styles.
Also, whereas Picard would be taught lessons by Q, Sisko's first interaction with him involved punching him in the gut.
He does not fear God. God fears him.
Stoic/rational Picard was an inversion of passionate/emotional Kirk. Sisko brings a more passionate captain to the screen, but I wouldn't call him an anti-Picard in the way Picard was an anti-Kirk. And Sisko could give a morality speech that would get a nod from Picard with the hot-blooded passion of Kirk.
Picard: What the devil ? I am emotional enough, damn you, emotional enough !!
Consider the whole shows. TNG is a family inhabited, military or NASA like ship with a disciplined structure. Everything is done by the book, with a standard trained crew, and there is a utopian air about it. Keep in mind, this was Roddenberry's way of addressing and changing society. Unfortunately Gene died.
Then enter Rick Berman, with DS9, which is more like a western frontier style. The crew is not standard, the rules are split between the Federation and Bajor with Sisco having to make a call and let the ends work themselves out. Even Odo and Kira often have certain levels of autonomy when it comes to the rules, and don't always have to follow Sisco but do mostly out of loyalty and respect. This almost ragtag team sits on the edge of a borderland where all kinds of people come and go (good, bad and ugly). The station is not as family friendly even though they make it work.
Two shows, one with its bright utopian backdrop and the other with its grittier dim setting, make the depth of each show catchy in their own ways. Picard orders without explanation and Sisco explains many times because his staff are not Federation trained. Even TNG ends with "a happily ever after" but DS9 ends with Sisco sacrificing himself to save the day, leaving a pregnant girlfriend and his adult son. There are still many contrasts but you can see the opposing factors.
Thought DS9 was more Ira Steven Behr than Berman.
Though, I wonder how much of it was J. Michael Straczynski, since DS9 borrowed heavily his Babylon 5 pitch.
The season ender where Sisko leaves his baseball in the Captain's office of DS9 as signal to Gul Dakat that will come back for the station is one of my favourite episodes. The meeting between Picard and Sisko with tension that is just below the surface was amazing, it was also interesting to see Locutus in a way other then playing Picard as a victim.
Yeah, that Picard/Sisko meeting was pretty solid overall *because* of the overall dynamic and the shift as we see Sisko take the *first step* forward in a long time.
It´s 2020 and I am still thrilled on how DS9 is terrific
The one thing I liked about Sisko when he seen War coming he decked out his space station with weapons and then he built his own ship how badass is that.
Sisko and DS9 was by far my favorite series. It was not only that it felt more REAL but that it dealt with things that were realistic. Picard and crew seem to have things 'just work out' alot more often than Sisko and his crew. Sisko and his crew had things that had lingering effects for a long time.
Omen River The crew themselves in TNG had events that left “lingering effects”. The episodic style of the series, however, was more in touch with TOS in that it was a story, and then they’d move on. That’s because it’s about exploration. The characters still had that development and their own arcs. You seem to have missed that.
No way was any of this stuff realistic, more like modern day flying carpets.
My favorite captain is Sisko, he added an edge to Starfleet. He was willing to face what was a hostile universe and couldn't really go anywhere when he did.
Gootothesecond, "In the Pale Moonlight" -- "I did all that but I can live with it. Because I CAN live with it. "
Picard is very Euro in his character. Sisko is very American.
So what ? In the Trek universe in the 24th century, there appears to be very little difference between Europe and American societies compared to now.
Fubar AlAkbar There are no nation states in the Star Trek Universe
But there are sub-cultures.
Fubar AlAkbar true, and Brooks is the first actor from the U.S. to play a lead Captain in a Trek series.
jazzthieve, sure, Asia and Africa are yet even more different, but that doesn't mean that there are no major differences between North America and Europe... What I used to think was roughly "the west" turned out to be not so uniform in the end...
I think a big difference can be found in the fact that while Sisko is a single father and widower, Picard has never had a family of his own, he's married to the job. Perhaps, having put his wilder days behind him, he feels that he has to set an example to others by being a captain first. Sisko's personality is definitely more easy-going and he believes in community first, we see him in the pilot, trying to get everyone to work together, despite their interpersonal misgivings (Quark and Odo, Kira/Bajorans and the starfleet personnel). DS9 itself sees a far more relatable cast with more emotion. I guess it had to be, a show about life on a space station is going to have far more continuity than something like TNG.
Perhaps not having a family was a good choice. In later seasons he did have a family on Catan, but became a psycho (movies anyone...) anyway.
The two captains are as far from each other as they can get and still very similar. The difference is that Picard was/is/has been an explorer and diplomat for his entire career. He makes the tough calls and has the balls to carry them out, but prefers diplomatic solutions to hostilities. This trait would be fitting of a captain whose missions revolves around diplomacy. On the other hand Sisko is first a commander and then captain during a borg invasion followed immediately by a war with dominion. His primary function is the defense and security of the bajoran space sector. He prefers to open with hostilities to gauge reactions as he can never tell what motivations others may have. These traits are also to be expected of an castilian or castle defense commander. One captain is not particularly better than the other more that each is best suited to the commands they have earned. Picard would be find life difficult as a castilian and Sisko would equally struggle as a diplomat. That's what I love about the comparison of these two examples of Starfleet captains, they are both very well suited for the jobs they do.
I don't know, that negotiating The SIsko did to get a cloaking device from the Romulans must have been amazing.
In all seriousness though, yeah, Sisko is better for a war. I remember in that episode they brought on Worf where Sisko did the Federation style bluff the Kirk dabbled in and Picard mastered... The best part was when the Klingons called Sisko's bluff only to it very much was *not* a bluff and he was about to wreck their day if they didn't comply.
@@InfernosReaper One of my favorite episodes.
Yes, yes and yes. DS9 is my favorite series and Sisko is my favorite captain. I never really put together how different they are. I love when he gets on the turbolift and says "Defiant!" in his commanding voice. Also, Defiant, favorite ship. =)
1:49 Notice how the uniform colors are inverted too
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Quite True.
They changed uniforms a few times over the course of DS9 (this was also reflected in the movies). In the first episode of DS9 both Picard and Sisko wore the same uniform.
They changed the uniforms sometime during the series. The change was included in TNG movies, too, so it was chronologically universal in the franchise
Q praised the change. "I like your new tailor."
sisko is more of the ballsy tough guy and Picard is kinda of a diplomatic professor type to me they both have there place and essentially either one is useful when the time arrives
I effin love both but this is spot on. If you asked me to pick a captain to work under I would most certainly pick Sisko. A leader who's not afraid to bend the rules and get dirty.
My favorite all time episodes of any Star Trek have been the time travel episodes of DS9.
What separate Sisko from the other captains(Picard, Janeway, Archer) was he was more of a family man. Kirk did have a son, but he never raised him. Also Sisko had a working class upbringing. Picard came from a family of wealth. Kirk was military brat being his father was in starfleet. Archer's dad was one of the people working on warp drive program which establish starfleet. While Ben's dad Joseph is a chef and restaurant owner. Ben grow up working in the family business. Jean Luc's family wanted him to follow his families tradition and run the winery. They felt him joining starfleet was a slap in their face. Joseph Sisko was always proud of his son and let find his own way. Unlike Picard Sisko was always had a strong connection with his family.
Picard couldn't have been born into wealth because there was no money in his times. They made the wine but didn't sell it to their customers. His family had the same amount of wealth as Sisko's. And you saw the winery, his family, his father and brother - they looked like simple hardworking farmers to me. Picard was bullied by his brother and abused by his father (he mentioned being refused food for some insignificant acts), whereas Sisko's dad was literally so soft and lenient, his mother was also mentioned to had been sweet before she's died. Picard wasn't born with a silver spoon and his life was the most tragic and riddled with trauma and abuse out of all ST captains.
@@Mia199603 The no money thing never really made sense and was too much of a kowtow to Gene Roddenberry's idealism that never quite worked. DS9 showed that the people of multiple civilizations (Federation, Klington, Cardassian, Ferengis, etc) in the galaxy were using gold pressed latinum as a form of currency to exchange goods and services. DS9 also showed that there were dirt-poor Federation citizens living on fringe worlds in what would be the equivalent of huts and scratching out a hard living. Compared to that, Picard's family estate of a large house and vast land for growing luxuries such as grapes for wines do seem like wealth and privilege. And Star Trek Online established "energy credits" by the 25th century.
Avery Brooks hooked me into the DS9 series at the very first episode. What a great job he did.
One thing I like about DS9, the intrusion of reality into the high-falootin uppity-upness of federation ideals of the 24th century Federation. Right from the Get-go Sisko had to get over any federation snobbery and deal with the real world. Granted season three was a trudge through slow boring muck... The development of Sisko (and some might say the Federation) into a more in-touch-with-reality person is obvious. One of my favorite episodes, In the Pale Moonlight, has some of the greatest character growth in any Trek show prior or since.
Q: "you hit me..Picard never hit me"??
Sisko: "I'm not Picard".
Me: Q never hit Picard. (something that fan boys seem to always be forgetting)
Stupid line from Q ! He hit Sisko first, yet compares to Picard, whom he never hit.
So if Sisko is the antithesis of Picard and Gul Dukat is literally Sisko's foil, it would be great to see a video about the similarities between Dukat and Picard.
If such a video could be successfully made, it would only strengthen the argument put forth in this video.
Sisko is not the antithesis of Picard, different from him, but not the antithesis.
Dukat is Sisko's foil because he is in large part what Sisko would be if he lacked morality.
For the record, Dukat would have eaten Picard's lunch. Picard would have been particularly ill suited to that type of foe the same way Sisko was ill suited to Q.
The on-ly thing I don't like a-bout Sis-ko is that he has to e-nun-ci-ate ev-e-ry sing-le syl-la-ble that he speaks.
Not as bad as Kirk tho
@@audreyandremington5265 lol that's not saying much
@@mmjahink true
Duh? Sisko speaks clearly. Better than most.
What could you poss-i-bly mean by his displays of frus-tra-tion by me-tic-u-lous pro-nun-ci-ation?
Sisko only does that when he has no time for argument or debate.
I've seen a lot of comments about Picard vs Sisko in comment sections and they all seem to be fans but at the same time they don't seem to understand the differences between these characters...
Picard is often criticized for being too much of a pacifist, often giving the enemy many shots at the ship when Sisko would have fired back pronto. Sisko doesn't have a Galaxy Class ship which can take a lot more punishment vs Sisko's old Miranda class and even the mighty Defiant.
The other MAJOR thing is Picard was always trying to stop wars, constantly going out of his way to do so even if it meant taking a few shots to the ship. TNG takes place in a major time of peace when there's no major war going on and his personal goal is to preserve this at all costs. He's not scared to break laws or treaties though. He goes right into the Neutral Zone and when he gets ambushed, he brings up his own trap of klingon ships. He's not stupid, he's not against fighting, he's against war.
Sisko tries this at the start too but then when war kicks in well, he makes sure he's got good guns. A lot of DS9 involves war (most likely due to technology being better allowing for more ships, more effects more cheap vs models) and Sisko of course is going to fight back without hesitation. It's WAR, it's not a time of peace or in a shaky treaty.
They're both good at what they do in their own shows. Don't like Picard because he's a pacifist? Well we saw how well that turned out when the Federation never ended their war with the Klingons, they were LOSING.
Don't like Sisko being a bit trigger happy? Well federation is at war so that federation ideal is going to have to take a back seat to the likes of the Defiant and Akira.
enemy many shots at the ship
also he was in the flag ship the most important ship, he in a lot of cases was talking to high up people, he the reason they did not go to war, more then once.
and he was willing to fight with his ship, or hand to hand,
even worf said he trust him to hand to hand combat.
the best when he was worf chadage, you do not command here human, picard I did not come here to command, then you must come to fight, something Starfleet does not teach you, picard you can test that any time you want.
Best abd rational comment, what fanboys dont realise that ots pointless to talk trash of other captains. It wont increase your favorite captain fanbase and certainly wont deter the fans of other captain. I saw people getting 5oxic calling picard names and stuff.
everyone i think always looks at this wrong, the Enterprise was the epitome of the Federation and those who lived on it lived and breathed those ideals. Picard and crew were a family who all had their backs in what ever was going on. People forget that TNG had its troubled times as well, not everything was so peachy all the time. Polaski anyone? Jellico? Worf even commented on that fact when moving to DS9. The Enterprise was a collective of like minded individuals with one goal, far different from DS9. I do not see DS9 as being more real or closer to the truth it is just different because not everyone had your back or shared your same ideals and goals. Like Q said to Sisko you are far easier to provoke, Q did not have such a high opinion of Sisko and crew, which he commented on multiple occasions.
I liked Pulaski, she was badass. At first it was hard to like her because she seemed so cold, and mean to Data, but after a few episodes I started to like her. In all fairness, it was easy to prefer her to that insipid and boring Mary Sue Beverly Crusher (who was all perfect, who knew everything about everything, a superwoman with no defaults, yet so soft and lovely). Pulaski was real, she was "old-school" and quite a badass.
The Original Series was about bold faced exploration under the command of a cowboy. The Next Generation was the same exploration, but now as measured steps, under a calm and collected diplomat. But DS9 wasn't about the exploration: rather than a ship, Sisko commanded a station, and as such, most of the exploration happened inward. After all, the shiny Federation of Picard had some rotten apples, but it didn't cast shadows, let alone shadows dark enough to hide Section 31.
Totally agree. My fav captain.
I think the regular viewers never got to see a African American actor use the full spectrum of emotion before that you saw with ds9 , for so long we always saw these cardboard cutouts of human emotion before with the aliens or androids getting more in depth depictions.
Very interesting debate here.
I'd like to say that because DS9 was serialistic instead of episodic, you could get into much deeper nuances of whatever the point of morality was.
The fact is, Star Trek explores who we are and what we are capable of becoming.
DS9 does not depart from this at all. It shows us rising to the occasion again and again, even when we have setbacks, make bad decisions or even do something morally wrong.
You can't get more Star Trek than that.
As far as what's the best show, that's all up to the individual watching since we all see things through different eyes.
Sisko is bald by choice. Picard has male patterned baldness
Jack Jones Nah. Sisko has male pattern badass. That skin was bound to show itself.
So what ? Still the same lack of hair styles and if male patterned baldness, leaves some hair that Picard chooses to shave off and in the 24th century would think that male patterned baldness would have been long obsolete.
Audio is a frontline puncher who gets in your face, Picard is a diplomat.
"in the 24th century would think that male patterned baldness would have been long obsolete." Patrick Stewart himself addressed this in an interview. He said Gene ROddenberry was asked about it and he said "IN the 24th century no one will care (about baldness)"
Picard, 'much as I admire him, is also a bit of a prissy boy.
Sisko is the man. He's got a huge pair and the heart & mind to go with it. Sisko gets the job done without being a stuffed shirt.
DS9: To boldly stay where we are and have everyone else come to us.
I always preferred Sisko and DS9 for all of these reasons. I don't think that TNG is a bad series, but in this utopian society where humans have everything sorted out, all of the conflict has to come from outside the core characters and the ship, which can become very repetitive, and doesn't lend itself very well to character development as much.
DS9 takes the premise of this utopian society and flips it on its head. Are humans really any better? Can you "evolve" out of violence/greed/malice/war etc.? No, it's something that you have to constantly put effort into. Which, I believe, represents a much more realistic view of any hopeful future humanity might have.
I like to believe that humans will be better one day, but not by just "evolving" or "outgrowing" our worse nature, but by continuously, actively making the choice to do the right thing over and over and over again.
“We’re human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands! But we can stop it. We can admit that we’re killers . . . but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill - today!” - Captain James T. Kirk
Quark in "Siege of 558"
" Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes."
but thats not what roddenberry wanted to show, how the future should be. so ds9 is not represented for star trek like tng or voyager.
DS9 is an absolutely brilliant show and in my opinion it's the absolute best in Star Trek.
Picard is a legend. Janeway makes questionable descisions but I like her spirit. Even Archer is OK. Sisko is just to familiar with everybody. He is the homeboy you go out and have a beer with. perhaps it's relatable but Picard just commands respect. He's polite and well mannered but the instant he speaks you know you he's not one to fuck with.
Cisco, Kirk, made better Warriors than the diplomat like John Luke Picard
Sisko and Picard both seem to have a definite natural authority. They both command instant obedience, and they don't need to yell or threaten people with punishments to get them to obey (things I've always seen as signs of a poor leader). I actually think it's impressive though that Sisko manages this while not being aloof with his crew. Sure, he'll hang out at Quark's and share a drink and tell some jokes with you, but when he gives an order, there is absolutely no questioning it.
I actually think Archer is interesting, because he really doesn't seem as natural comfortable in a position of command as Picard or Sisko or even Janeway. But I think he perfectly represents the character of starfleet at the time the show is set. He's an explorer. He wants to go out and see the galaxy. All the other captains were aware of and prepared for the possibility of having to fight. But Archer is, at the start of the series, a total optimist, who doesn't even see why the ship needs weapons.
I think that he gets pushed out of his comfort zone more than any of the other captains, and I like seeing that, and how he adapts and changes his attitude as the series progresses and he learns that 90% of everything in space wants to kill you.
i like both, but picard was more relatable. many noted military officers didn't have kids, and often because their careers didn't allow it.
You have to remember too that when DS9 started, Babylon 5 was airing as well. B5 told stories that where full of grey areas, it wasn't always black and white like TNG. Plus there were story arcs. You can see this is what happened in DS9 as well. I've always liked DS9 more because it wasn't always black and white. Sisko had to be the opposite of Picard in order to tell different stories.
I'm glad you brought this up. I think the success of B5 clearly influenced the direction that DS9 took and thereby improved the series.
This video is what got me into Deep Space 9, and I must thank you for it. Sisko is a fantastic captain, the whole conflict is intriguing to watch, and you have my gratitude for showing me this series.
Can't remember where but I recall an interview with one of the Star Trek writers who worked on TNG then helped create DS9. In that interview the writer essentially admits to this notion that DS9 was meant as an inversion of the other. TNG was about technology always working for the greater good and diplomacy always winning the day. DS9 was to be more grounded in the fact that life is messier than that. Things don't always work and you can't talk your way out of every conflict.
Picard's decisions are grounded in logic, Sisko's in feeling, mostly for others.
I wholeheartedly agree. Picard was definitely more of the stand-offish type when it can't to private loves, where Sisko rather enjoyed getting to know his crew through any means really.
Sisko had a close loving relationship with his father, Picard's father couldn't stand the sight of him. (although we only a hallucination/ Q Vision of him, yet Robert also seems to suggest that their father hated Jen Luc)
I always felt Picard was stuffy, stiff, elitist, snobish, distant, and emotionally bound. He made good speeches and was respected, but was pacifistic to a fault and not relatable. Sisko was more real, practical, emotionally free, and understandable. He could be mean and calculating and a bit too emotional here and there, but he was also respected and admired. A brilliant military mind and good at reading people. He was relatable. Picard is a good character, but Sisko is a better one I think. DS9 is more realistic and has aged much better than TNG.
TNG was the utopian ideal, squeeky clean, like Leave it to Beaver. DS9 is more like The Wire. When idealizing Picard, remember the old saying, It's easy to be a saint in paradise.
agreed. I also hate Picard's sentiments towards religion of any kind. Picard has this elitist derision, while Sisko actually takes the time to listen.
TNG was more black and white. DS9 was more realistic shades of grey with episodes like Duet and Pale Moonlight. Sisko took actions Picard would never take.
Yeah, he became an accessory to political murder and more-or-less ordered Worf to assassinate Gowron for political/war gains. Picard would never compromise his character by stooping so low.
To be fair, Ragitsu, if Sisko hadn't done those things, there is a very real, and likely possibility of the entire Alpha Quadrant being overrun by the dominion, with Earth being killed off by Weyoun, as he stated he did wish to do so to send a message. As Garak stated, it was a bargain deal, a very few deaths, and his conscience, for the sake of the entire Alpha Quadrant. Personally, I don't think Picard could have done better in Sisko's place, I admire Sisko for being able to make that choice, his conscience isn't worth all of their lives, and neither is Picard's.
Sisko used chemical wepons of mass destruction on a planet, Picard never did that.
Hey remember that time he asked gulrak to assassinate a Romulan Councilmember to throw them in to war Benjamin Cisco would’ve been a good CIA agent
Isaiah Amos Or Section 31.
@@IsaiahAmos017 No, Sisko asked Garak to forge an optolithic data rod. Garak decided to assassinate the Romulan council member because he knew the forgery wouldn't be good enough, and Sisko had to keep quiet about it when he found out. Also, when Sisko fired those chemical weapons, all he did was make life impossible for humans, for a few decades. This didn't cause mass destruction, it just caused the human colonists to evacuate.
Lodatz oh ok
Remember Picard let an entire planet suffer because of withdrawal when he could have told them they were not dying of a disease (see TNG episode Symboisis) and Picard also let an entire civilization get wiped out before Worf's brother saved them (see TNG episode Homeward). Picard ain't no saint.
I love sisko! Especially in pale moon light and for the uniform! He becomes a good villian is there is such a thing. Doing what Kirk and Archer would do.
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.
This is what I love about Star Trek. There are no characters formed using "cookie cutters".
Like in life, Star Trek is very diverse. Aside from STD, the writers have made it flow smoothly.
I understood very well why Sisko had animosity towards Picard in the beginning. Though he was under control of the Borg at Wolf 359, I could see how all Sisko wanted to do was kill Picard. But was choosing not to allow his rage to consume him.
Maybe I just didn't read as much into it. I just saw two different Starfleet Captains, each creating their own legacies on their own terms.
And yes, Sisko is my favorite Captain as well. Avery Brooks did an amazing job with the character.
If you really analyze TNG to DS9: DS9 undos several things that TNG had established. TNG made peace with the Cardassians, DS9 broke that peace, repeatedly eventually ending up with a war with the Dominion. TNG upheld the ban on Federation ships not having cloaks (not including the final episode as the future is fluid), DS9 has a ship with a cloak assigned to it. TNG establishes not only a peaceful coexistence with the Federatiin and Klingons but a brotherhood like with Picard and Gowron; DS9 breaks that peace and the Klingons fight a war that is devastating on both sides - true it was through Dominion manipulation - still it they did that... get the idea?
It was the Maqui being more realistically portrayed and the Dominion which sparked the war with Cardasia. The Romulans granted a WAIVER on the cloaked ship for the express purposes of help against the Dominion. As such that is NOT a treaty breach when the Romulan government granted the waiver. (Operating the cloak in the Alpha quadrant was a violation of that waiver though). The Klingons were DUPED by the Dominion into the war, and were easily duped as they preyed upon with their quick to war non-trusting instincts.
None of this is against Gene's vision, this is just things that gene would overlook in his utopian vision, but things that should have been addressed
Eh, even in TNG, the peace between Cardassia and the Federation was troubled at best, and that was long before the Maquis were even players in that arena; hell the Maquis were formed as a direct reaction to Cardassian aggression toward former Federation worlds. The open war between Cardassia and the Klingons was the natural result of the Cardassians campaign of aggressive expansionism, the same campaign that led to the treaty between Cardassia and the Federation (which was ignored by the Cardassians more often than it was observed).
War with the Cardassians was inevitable, the only reason it took them so long to formally declare it was because they lacked the resources to engage in a prolonged conflict (hence the rapid, aggressive expansionism to secure those resources) until the Dominion came along and offered their support.
As far as Klingon/Federation relations go, that's always been a love/hate relationship. If it hadn't been for the Praxis incident leading to the signing of the Khitomer Accords, not to mention the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C at Narendra III (and probably a whole bunch of other events), the Federation would be at war with the Klingons well into DS9's era. Even during the brief times of peace between both nations, there has always been an undercurrent of hostility and distrust on both sides.
As far as the Defiant's cloak, that was one ship under special circumstances; the ban was still in effect for literally every other Starfleet ship.
Palmerrip Thw federation got cloaking tech from the Romulans and Klingons, during the Dominion War. The Cardassians and Federation had a treaty to not invade each other's space, similar to the Romulans. However, it was Gul Dukat who broke the treaty and allied with the Dominion, after the Federation was at war with the Dominion. Technically the DS9 crew didn't really do anything except guarantee Bajor's protection during reconstruction.
I don’t think that DS9 disrupts what TNG sets up, I think it concluded each issue. The war with the Cardassians is brought to its conclusion, the Maqui, etc. actually, each is sort of resolved. The difference to me was that the resolution was messier than what TNG established, which was more smooth (probably too much so).
Yep. DS9 zigs where every other Trek zags. Even looking at the early upbringing of the Trek Captains reveals Sisko as different than his contemporaries. Picard grew up on his family's vineyard. Janeway grew up on or near her grandfather's farm. Sisko grew up working in his father's restaurant in New Orleans.
(was going to add that Kirk also grew up on a farm, but I'm realizing all I know for sure is that he was born in Iowa, which I certainly associate with farming but I don't know what his family did)
zig: one of the sharp turns, angles, or alterations
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I was skeptical when I saw the title to this video, but having now watched it, you've absolutely convinced me. Well done, sir!
Even the red and black on thier uniforms is switched
There is one other major difference missed here, one captain is an apistevist man of science, the other cucks himself to Baijorian space religion.
1000% agree. Sisco Represents as far from picard as possible. Even Janeway became in my view a sort of Fem-Picard on many occasions. And Kirk became a proto-picard in some moments of the movies. It's not that I Dislike Picard. He's a very interesting Captain and Character, yet at the same time I think his character profile became an overused Trope For TNG Captains. With Sisco you have a more Alpha male type captain who even impresses the Klingons. in Some ways He's more like the TOS Kirk.
To add to your point about Janeway, I also felt that while DS9 was a radical departure from TNG, Voyager only pretended to do something new, while most of its stories and presentation were TNG in nature. So that fits with Janeway being more of a return to Picard-style captains.
Don't sell Kathern short she's a homicidal loon too.
I did say on many occasions, She fits the latter the rest of the time.
+EC Henry I think a big reason for that is the fundamental difference in the shows, TNG and VOY take place on ships that are, more or less, exploring. They may find trouble anywhere so they have to be careful not to provoke. DS9 takes place on a station so there has to be a bit of "strength" show to stand their ground.
Picard, Janeway = "We're just strolling through, nevermind us.."
Sisko = "This is MY F--king neighborhood and if you got a problem with it, bring it..." and he certainly does.
Avery Brooks was my best friend's godfather in high school, and I was fortunate enough to meet him in real life. He's a REALLY down to earth, funny guy and I was very fortunate to have that experience... especially since I was a die hard trekkie and DS9 fan
Thank you EC! I really like your insightful and detailed analysis of all things Trek. Keep up the excellent work!!
I think you have "missed" the Picard of the movies. Who is, frankly, very different than the Picard of the series.
true but "movie Picard" is an insane and violent psychopath....we don't speak about movie picard
To be fair he was only truly violently psychopathic in First Contact and even then he was suffering from extreme emotional trauma. Getting assimilated fucked him up badly. I imagine he had had many such meetings as the one he had with SIsko. No wonder he wants to "draw the line here and no further", to "make them pay for what they have done".
Exactly. Psycho-Picard starts in First Contact, Generations Picard is the same old TV Picard. Losing the Enterprise-D, presumably fighting in the Dominion War, and subsequently engaging the Borg changed him. He's then confronted by corrupt Admirals (while under the influence of basically drugs) and finally evidence of a nefarious plot to replace him by the Romulans. The movies are quite traumatic for Picard.
+ Kári Emil Helgason As a matter of fact, the Enterprise-E was never really that involved in the Dominion War. The most it ever got involved in was pretty much Star Trek: Insurrection and the liberation of Betazed (which was taken by the Dominion in the DS9 episode "In The Pale Moonlight").
But yeah, the TNG movies are not kind to Picard. He probably trained up Riker's successor as First Officer and then retired.
Those movies never happened
I absolutely agree, especially recently. Though I still really like Picard, over time, I have come to see him more as a kind of strict and uptight father figure who seems, as you said, really distant. Whereas Sisko is the kind of person you just want to sit down and have a drink and a chat with, who you can really get to know. If I had to choose between either of them as a father, I would definitely choose Sisko.
I suppose it is kind of that dynamic between the two kinds of fathers:
Picard: the strict kind who believes in discipline and strong maturity, believing that rules will keep you on the right track.
Sisko: the gentle kind who believes in maturity through the freedom to be yourself, trusting you to make the right call, and guiding you along the way.
Both are fully capable of being loving parents, but only one really feels like the more fatherly figure.
That might be influenced by the fact that Sisko had to basically fulfill the role of both father and mother, after Jennifer died.
This is my most favorite youtube essay. I always rewatch it
There's one thing between them that isn't opposite: the amount of hair on their heads
People fail to realize that Sisko blamed Picard for his wife's death at Wolf 359...
Rank aside, which he didn't earn until after the Dominion War, by the way.....Sisko isn't a captain. He never commanded a starship, searched the unknown, etc. And don't give me the crap about the defiant, since it was barely used for long missions(i.e. 5 year missions, etc), it was barely used & only for short range missions, where shuttle craft wasn't recommended.
As commander of the Defiant, he was a captain before he even held the rank. Period. End of story.
And Kirk is somewhere in between the two extremes...that's why I love Captain Kirk
This was a respectful analysis and I really enjoyed this. Never thought of it like this!
I think Benjamin Sisko was the best too. Gul Dukat had to be one of the best bad guys ever.. I'm just bummed that they are doing "ANOTHER" stupid prequel. Are they ever going to make a continuation... I wanna see the new tech and crew..Explore the beta quadrant!
Q came on for one episode, and the only thing he seemed to like is Kira's ambition and temper as well as the new uniforms. There was no intellectual stimulation, and Sisko wouldnt be afraid to punch Q if Sisko was angered. That basically sums up the whole series and why Q never came back
Or Q realised that he couldn't manipulate the DS9 crew the same way he manipulated the Enterprise over and over again?
Also Picard is a scientist and Sisko is a mystic...
Your videos are great. I loved this one.
Sisko punched a god, then became one
Maybe it was foreshadow.
Captain Everyman To the Prophets and his relation to them as an emissary?
@@sashingopaul3111 Yes, that Sisko was more than human and on Q's level in some sense.
I've been rewatching the entire franchise and I believe that Deep Space Nine is purposefully a deconstruction of Next Generation. I think you really described it nicely.
Keep up the good videos mate!
One of my favorite things about Star Trek is that every captain basically embodies a different management/leadership style.
The thing I found most puzzling was just how Sisko became a Captain. Through his incompetence and arrogance Sisko started a war with the Dominion despite being warned on numerous occasions NOT to go through the wormhole into their territory.
He ignores this and starts the war. Yet instead of being removed and sent for courts martial he is promoted!
That would be like a Commander in the USN deliberately breaching North Korean territorial waters (for example) thus starting a war between the US and North Korea, and causing massive loss of life on both sides. Would that Commander be rewarded or removed and punished for his illegal actions?
I think we all know the answer to that...except in the Star Trek Universe where you are rewarded for deliberately starting a war that costs the lives of millions.
Picard would never have done that. He would've tried the diplomatic route (which Sisko appears to be incapable of) and then if rebuffed he would've left well enough alone.
Diplomacy will only get you so far. War was inevitable. Picard could never lead the Federation during a time of War
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme Picard commands the Enterprise during the war against the Klingons in Yesterday's Enterprise, and had been doing so for years.
What show are you talking about? That is not at all how the events of DS9 transpire, nor is that even a remotely accurate depiction of Captain Sisko. Actually everything you wrote is completely wrong. The Dominion wasn't a legitimate power and The Founders (Changelings) were tyrannical warlords who conquered the Gamma Quadrant through genetically engineered super soldiers. The Dominion gave no diplomatic warnings of any kind to The Federation. And if anyone were to be blamed for the Dominion War (even though The Founders had already decided to invade the Alpha Quadrant once the Wormhole had appeared and linked the Alpha and Gamma quadrants) it would be the Romulans and Cardassians.
Yeah, well Picard would never have used a weapon of mass destruction, so I guess you're right.
John Luke Picard character is a diplomat Cisco Kirk those are warriors
And in a war you want a warrior not a . Diplomat commanding the fight..
America used one so do u dislike America stop it he knew the man he knew what would make him surrender sisko was a strategist rewatch show during the retaking of ds9 he commanded the fleet chess young fella
Thoughtful, concise, and insightful. thank you!
Once again great video! Interesting observations.
Kirk or Picard?:
Sisko
Like I've typed before: Sisko
Better at relationships than Picard, better at singing than Kirk.
You have the right answer.
Janeway
Archer
1) Kirk
2) Sisko
3) Janeway
4) Archer (could have been higher, series cut short)
5 to infinity minus 1) Everyone else except
Infinitely worst captain ever) Picard
@Pittpanthers90 why?
Picard & Worf:
Worf : Romulan Warbird decloaking 5,000 km of our bow sir!!!!!!!!
Picard : Hail them mr. Worf
Worf : No response, they are raising their shields
Picard : Hail them again mr. Worf
Worf : Their firing a torpedo captain
Picard : Warn them we will return fire
Worf : Shields are at 40% captain
Picard : Hail them again
Worf : They fire disruptors and torpedo's
Picard : Seal all decks, place forcefield, Geordi can we get out of here?
Worf : Contact with engineering is gone sir
Picard : Helm, steer us into the nebulae
Worf : Shall I return fire sir?
Picard : How many shields do we have left mr. Worf?
Worf : Forward shields are gone sir, aft shield are at 20%, half of the ship is depressurized
Picard : To the nebulae helm
Helm : Which nebulae sir?
Picard : I don't care, find one.
Worf : Torpedo's are armed and ready sir
Picard : Hold mr Worf, they stopped firing
Worf : But sir, these are Romulans
Picard : Ask them if the have any Romulan Ale?
Worf : They fire 10 torpedo's at our warp core sir!!!!
Picard : Damn gonna miss my tea too
BOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Sisko & Worf:
Worf : Romulan Warbird decloaking 5,000 km of our bow sir!!!!!!!!
Sisko : Fire at will until they are complete disabled.
Worf : Ai sir. Firing quantum torpedo's, phasers and tea cups. Warbird disabled
Sisko : Toe the damn thing with the Defiant to Starfleet HQ, lots of goodies in there.
Worf : YES SIR !!!
Snowwie88 Spot on. 🤣
Agreed. Thanks for posting these vids, always great conversation starters for me and my fellow nerds.
Great to hear! That's exactly what my goal is! :D
I think you're spot on. It would've been cool if we could've seen the two meet again at the end of DS9, to see of everything Sisco had been through, and having his own command and Captaincy, might've altered the way he sees Picard at all? I'd love it if we got a glimpse of that in the new Picard series.
Sisko was addicted to Ambien and Prozac.
You mean the opioid crisis will last until at least 2375?
Sisco is my captain. I don't think that alot of people really watch DS9 because they either don't understand why the show has such a different tone to the rest of trek but for me it was the fact that DS9 did change track so much that makes it special among trek. Where the Star trek and TNG are just an episodic romp through space with a new alien or crisis of the week to focus on DS9 had an intense laser focus on just a handful of cultures and societies. While yes it was still episodic it was alot more cohesive of a narrative and many characters got proper story line arcs to develop them.
Probably the best example of this is Gul Dukat. The only trek villain to actually be.. well.. Villainous. Yes all other trek villains where antagonists to the crew in some way but the only one of them who could routinely show up and give everyone a hard time was dukat. Now yes i know Q often made trouble on TNG, Voyager, and DS9 but he was far from a Villain. If you look at it closely then you'll see that everything he ever did was both for his personal amusement and in a way to mentor humanity. He did what he did to show the crew that how they choose to use their free will was almost as important as the fact that they could choose to use it in the first place.
Great video! I always can't decide which one is my favorite. It's bc they're the perfect foil for eachother!
DS9 is the pinnacle of Trek. It shows you can shoot for a different tone and tackle different issues without giving all previous continuity and canon the finger just to be "edgy".
Excellent analysis
There is another difference between the two. The one that makes Picard my favorite captain by far, while i really don't like Sisko very much.
Picard has very high moral standards and huge integrity. ST often confronts you with injustice, abuse of power, discrimination, etc etc. Picard always found clear words in such situations even if it would be easier to just be quiet, and did what was right even if it might be bad for his own sake, or the sake of the federation. I can stand 100% behind his moral decisions. Some of his awesome speeches still give me goosebumps today.
Sisko on the other hand never had a clear line. Sometimes he would stick to the rules so painfully narrowminded that it hurt, on other occasions he disregarded them altogether without a second thought. Sometimes he would freak out as hell for something he deemed immoral, while i was like "what's his problem?", and sometimes he just destroyed an inhabited planets atmosphere on a personal vendetta. All in all he just had such an unstable personality, that imo he wasn't fit for a command at all.
i have always said "i think Picard might technically be the better star fleet captain, but Sisko will always be my favorite." i can't help it, hes more relatable. more than that, i like how he deals with problems more. he has no problem getting his hands dirty, which they make sure to make a very blunt point of in the very first episode when he meets Kira. its not that Picard is afraid, but you get the feeling he tolerates it, whereas in some cases you could say Sisko downright enjoys it. that, and yes, his love of his family, & home cooking. to me, life is not worth much without family & good, hearty food :)
Sisko/DS9 are by far my fav of the post Original Series captains/shows.