Oris’ New Pilot Watch Might Be Their Best Yet - ProPilot X Calibre 400
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10 year warranty and COSC certified to boot? Amazing colors and I’m blown away by the bracelet! At 39mm the perfect sweet spot I’m thinking I may need to invest in an Oris, at this rate I practically have to.
Not COSC. Teddy made that comparison about the seconds per day rating, but it's not certified.
For anyone thinking that there is no micro-adjustment: Concerning micro adjustments: there is a special link in the box that is 1,5 times the size of a “normal” link. It is meant to be used to fine tune the lengths of the bracelet. So no micro-adjustment in the clasp, but a special link is provided for that same reason. And by the way, the Oris Propilot X is a crazy amount of watch luxury (manufacturing wise) for the price you pay. I got the Kermit edition and it just lights up my smile every time I look at it! 🐸
I think most people focus too much on how a traditional pilots watch should look like rather than how a modern pilots watch could look like. Because lets be honest. These days nobody needs a pilot or dive watch for its intended function. It's all about the emotions and feelings it gives to the wearer. And in this regard the PPX fits perfectly fine into the ProPilot collection because the it looks and feels like a modern stealth jet fighter that can't be detected on your wrist whereas traditional pilots watches convey more history and nostalgia.
I've tried all 3 color variants and I am glad Oris didn't just copy their existing dials onto this one, especially now that I have seen some renderings with applied markers it became crystal clear to me why Oris went this route. A traditional dial would be in conflict with the modern elements of the case and bracelet and it would look a little bit more generic.
In real life the dials, especially the gray one, are very beautiful to look at and complement the modern aesthetics of the case and bracelet. I can see parallels to the Bulgari Octo Finissimo that like the PPX has a complex case, a simple printed dial and is also made in titanium. Maybe Oris has drawn some inspiration from them but they still executed it in an original way.
I love Oris for their originality and courage to always go their own way instead of only pleasing the crowd.
A spectacular addition to the Oris line, however the dial seems like it's taken from a different watch. With the amount of detail in the case and bracelet this dial absolutely needs some nice applied markers, satin brushed with some thick lume. Then this package will come to life fully and I'm sure this will happen in the future - when it does I will rush to the boutique to get one of these :)
I agree. Compared to the case and bracelet, the dial is underwhelming.
Yesss. 100%👍🏼
I am really upset with you. I was loving everything about this watch, and now I can’t unsee how flat the dial is compared to the rest of the watch. 😑
@@MattSeesGray so sorry to point this out! Oris is doing some wonderful things but needs a bit of a push to get the details up there with the rest of the line on this Propilot X.
Bvlgari Octo is quite successful with its plain dial for much higher price. I think the grey dial on this is a nice combo of minimalism and futurism.
Everything about this product line screams premium, from the beautiful bracelet to the fluted bezel, and the eye popping colors on the dial. The only thing that detracts from how great this watch looks is the printed markers. To me, when any watch maker relies on printed on markers, it just cheapens the watch for me. I wish more manufactures would stop doing that, and put on the highly polished applied faceted markers instead, to complete the luxurious look of their products.
I agree. Printed markers can look great on a dress watch like a Breguet Classique, but this Oris is styled as a modern sports/pilot watch, and the dial is really incongruous.
I don't agree. Printed markers are a cool look to me. This watch feels very Sinn 556i, but of course the Sinn 556i is 1/4 the price of this watch...
This piece is amazing. I got mine yesterday and the case is so perfect at 39. It does look bigger on videos but it actually isn’t that big. Incredible piece and highly recommended for a anyone’s collection.
I'm a big fan of the salmon dial. It is a really nice piece. It was too difficult for me to jump at it without having it in hand at it's cost, but as a package it's really compelling.
I really like these, I’m not sure these dials are for me yet, but I feel like with a little time they will be updated to be absolutely killer with more options
I doubt it’s better than the Longines Titanium Spirit, Teddy, I suggest you a review comparing both.
I'm quite a fan of the Oris Cal 400 after all I did put my money where my mouth is. Accuracy is great and Oris build seems better than it's price would suggest. I love the new titanium case and the bracelet clasp buckle. I would prefer a different dial though. Oris does some incredible dials, the blue, green or cherry sunburst finish would suite the case and add depth but a personal preference would be the dark inky blue dial of the pointer date cal 403.Hopefully Oris will expand the choice at some point in the future. The new dials are OK and I have yet to see one in the flesh but just seem a tad flat compared to the dynamic case. A great review Teddy, thanks for sharing.
As Zoomer, the design of this watch speaks to me in a very special way.
BTW, we need to get Kevin's reaction to this watch.
He'd hate it because he's all about the dial :D but wearing a watch Kevin doesn't like is always a plus 😂
Everybody still talking about "Green is the New Blue" Barnes has just changed the name of the game to :
"Salmon is the New Green ! "
Fabulous! Just took.delivery of my new PINK SALMON baby ! JUST GREAT !
The tapered edges reminds me very much of the Octo Finissimo
The case is nice, but they missed on the dials. Especially the lume! More so at that price
Excellent Video
WOW this Oris looks NICE on a 6.5" Wrist... I'm actually a bit surprised.
Looking at the specs, I already expected it'd wear great on my 7.25" wrist, but had a friend ask about his just under 7" wrist and if I thought it'd be too big da da da... Well, just shot him this video in a text showing the piece off at 1:35. Totally the PERFECT shot for anybody with a wrist of even slightly smaller than 6.5, and then up from there. The design language definitely isn't for all, but I love it. Would go DAMN well with some high-end streetwear, some high-end raw selvedge denim, and a nice pair of sneakers
Titanium aside, a Formex Essence ThirtyNine gets you most of what this watch does for a quarter of the price, plus a better bracelet.
Yeah I’m not crazy about these bracelets
These are ugly AF
While I agree in the bracelet and also dislike the clasp on my pro pilot bronze, it doesn't give you an in-house movement with five days of power reserve plus 10 years warranty. If that's worth it... you decide...
@@EmperorProtects4848 good points.
Except the movement... And bracelet being better is a subjective call not a factual one.
I love the look and the bracelet looks great but with my wrist I know I need micro adjustment in many if not most cases so leaving that little feature out might cripple it’s overall usability.
Microadjustment is a must at this price
Design is growing on me , if it had applied markers that matched the case with a brushed look, matching date wheel color, and a steel version for a smaller price tag.
Excelente video, ORIS lo mejor
I need an Oris in my life.
Nice watch and review but $4300 it is a going to be a very tough sell. Lots of great options in that price point. Plus, Traska Summiteer/Commuter, Oceanus S100 or anything from RZE will give you same exterior toughness for about $500.
Great points! And strong, more affordable alternatives.
10yr warranty/10yr service interval and a well engineered movement. I think $4300 is a bit high but not crazy either.
Seriously, what are you even comparing here? To be honest I don't even know those brands (micro-brands) but I can safely say they are just chinese made microbrands with some basic swiss movements (or not even that for 500$). Oris is an independant swiss manufacture with their own caliber, they don't have to compete with any chinese watches as they are on a much higher level right up there with some of the "big guys". Sorry but that's like comparing Audemars Piguet Royal Oak to Tissot PRX and saying it's the same because they are both stainless steel thus are not much different :)
@@PoltergeistWorks Seriously, I am comparing value and finishes. You can't safely say anything. Oris is Swiss and so is Swatch, Certina and Tissot. Just because they make their own caliber doesn't make it any better than any ETA or Miyota. The Oceanus is Casio's premium line (mostly JDM) and is titanium with Zaratsu polishing like Grand Seiko and is from Japan. Teddy did a nice review of the Traska Summiteer (US based micro brand) which also has a hard finish. RZE is all titanium Asian brand. Oris makes a nice product but nothing that special and if you start spending close to that amount you have lots of Swiss options and high end Japanese options.
Indeed they grey one looks VERY similar to my RZE Resolute
Any chance this watch looks good on a leather, canvas or nato strap? or is the unique, angular titanium case not so adaptive to other straps?
I almost got one of these but my problem with the watch is the lack of micro-adjustment and/or half links. Too often have I owned watches that just are barely off that sweat spot in terms of bracelet sizing where they either are too tight or end up sliding around my wrist. As someone who is prone to wrist nerve issues (aka carpel tunnel), a comfortable fit is an absolute must. Its really a shame because everything else about this watch just fits exactly to what I am looking for. I am hoping that Oris decides to put out another variant of this watch with some micro-adjustments in the future; it would be a no-brainer buy for me...
Oris provides a special adjustment link in the box. I just found out, and now my PPX Kermit edition feels tailored to my wrist ;) strange that Oris hasn’t mentioned it online. But anyway, don’t let the lack of micro-adjustment in the clasp scare you off. You can adjust it with the special 1,5 size adjustment link.
Best M
Teddy, has oris fixed their movement issue yet with the jumping minute hand?
When these were announced I was thinking there did not seem to be much lume applied (nor much room for it in the design). Thanks for confirming that is the case. I think the size and look are outstanding, and that seatbelt clasp is so cool. I hadn't even noticed these were lacking micro-adjust, so thanks for pointing that out. It's certainly not a deal breaker, but would be nice to have. I wonder if that would be difficult considering the clasp design. Sometimes beauty is the pain of a tight bracelet on a warm day I guess. I would probably just wear it a little loose. I hope this wells well, and we will see added colors such as red or green too.
I like the watches but the clasp is gimmicky and too chunky, and the lack of a micro-adjustment is a real design miss. The colours are different, but not necessarily in a good way. Hopefully they release some bright colours that really pop in the future, like Doxa colours. A bright white would be a winner with this watch, as would a bright yellow.
A yellow would be excellent
Love it!
This watch fits me perfectly at 7.5 wrist. I was given a price $3000 in Aruba. Ugh should of took it.
Love the case and bracelet but the dial….not inspiring. Also can we get a color match date wheel? At MSRP not sure it is much value but…only suckers buy Oris at MSRP. So let’s say u can get it for $3300 then I see some real value.
Teddy can you maybe say something about the cal. 400 problems in the past and if Oris maybe tuned them a bit more? There were problems with the minute setting and I remember an instagram post where they said they would tackle this problem in the future.
10 year warranty.
The watch really looks good on the wrist. I prefer automatic watches with absolutely no complications except the obvious one of telling the time. I have an Indian watch with a Swiss movement which is absolutely not usable now, though I liked it as much as any watch. Oris has come out with a hand wound watch recently which appears really interesting, however, they haven't mentioned if this particular model has a ten year warranty period. It's really commendable that their watches with their new in-house movements have this. I think people will expect all their new in-house movement watches to have this warranty.
if that was a Cronograph, with better lume and microadjustments - would've been a killer watch
I like the grey. Improve the lume and I’d be interested
Yeah I wanted the gray as well the lack of lume is a big letdown.
I still wonder why u havent reviewed the Oris propilot X cal. 115. As a owner of one, its fantastic!
Nice! Would love to see arabic numerals in the indices in another version
Beautiful, but too small. Needs applied indicies and type 5 titanium.
I don't know if I like big brands making kickstarter looking watches to be honest.
So true.
That said if you want to look at it another way it shows just how good the Microbrand Market has become. If you do your research $2k is now enough to get you a great little watch collection of 3-5 watches of surprising quality using the best materials, interesting movements, rare/complex complications, and surprisingly good finishing & Quality Control. Great time to be a watch collector.
All i want is an Aquis Cal. 400 in titanium
If I was to rely on lume, I’d go for a Ball watch with Tritium illumination, but if you want to use the Oris as dress watch, then the lume isn’t so important. That 10 year warranty is what would swing this for me. End of story.
Love the styling of the case and bracelet, it’s just the dial colours don’t appeal to me. Now a vintage look yellow dial………….
great watch but 4300 is little much , you can get a Grand Seiko or a Tudor inhouse movement for that kind money and the resale value will be much greater , for 2500 i will personaly will considere it
Why grade II titanium and not say grade IV? The buckle is cool, but a bit to bulky compared to the bracelet. I like how the dial looks, I like the colours, but I think applied indices would be better. I might sound negative, but love Oris - just got my third one this week.
Grade 2 has as good, if not better, corrosion resistance. Grade 5 is stronger but that may not translate much in the watch world (aside from being harder so maybe scratch resistance is better). Grade 2 titanium is likely easier to machine.
The endlinks/bracelet, clasp, lume and the awful date window are off putting.The dials also don’t work stylistically with the rest of the watch, which feels like 3 different watches combined in one. And that price…OOF!
Cool watch, and I really like that the movement is actually made for the body (so to say) and not some small diameter Sellita/ETA placed in a case that's "too large for it" (not litteraly, but if you know what I mean.). But I could get an entry level GS for the price of this thing, or a 9F sports model with $1k+ to spare for a dress watch. I could get what is grail pieces to me for this money, and while this is awesome, it just isn't even close to stacking up against those. What is even going on with the extreme price hikes from Oris, Longines (okay, Longines are actually giving out great stuff that can be argued to warrant the price, but still, the price-hikes...) and Seiko (they look really bad here, with the prices they put on 6L pieces that should have 8L movements if the price was anything to go by). Everyone wants to jump as far forwards on the luxury train as possible, maybe as the normal watch market is dying due to smartphones and the Apple watch. Idk.
This watch deserves a better dial.
Do you not think these could have been better? The dials are a bit underwhelming for me, especially when we know the calibre of dial Oris are capable of.
I want to like this watch, but the dial is boring.
passive-aggressiveness is a symptom of low testosterone.
The strap, the overall design 🔥🔥🔥
I'm a fan of Oris, but these I actively dislike.
Every comment is the opposite to what you think
The Oris 400 movement is great as are the specs but sadly the dials for me are bland, bland bland. Titanium is very much in vogue at present, but I prefer stainless steel and the lower price point it offers.
Will the big crown of ORIS has the calibre 400 in future?🤔🤔🤔
Wait, no micro adjustment at all?
Though it has a sleek design it does not look like a pilots watch . Also for 4K plus it should have way better lume .
These look more like dress watches rather than tool watches
Really? Because of the bezel, right? I disagree, I think they have a tool watch aesthetic. But it might just be a halo effect of the titanium.
I think these are a candidate for everyday single-watch collection because I think they would look equally at home with a suit or jeans and a T.
This with placed indices instead of a printed dial would be top notch. I'm doubting because of the dial...
Oris puts out such a good product. I've had an Aquis on a rubber strap for nearly three years and love it.
$4300 and it has the word "lift" on the deployment clasp. Very classy! LOL
It’s a pity that’s the bracelet lacks micro adjustments
Salmon dial is the best ever!!!!
damn, i’d love this in 36mm
I love Oris, but this one doesn't work for me... You have a very angular/sporty case and bracelet, incongruously combined with a delicate, dressy dial. The dial should have had angled, applied indices with lume.
4000eu for oris??????
weight?
I wanted to like these, but I just can't. It's just so...dull, and it certainly doesn't seem to be a Pilot's watch as it's advertised to be. Great review though.
4,300?? really?
Oris watches are recognizable for their knurled bezels. Unfortunately, they are a huge turn off for me. This one is interesting however because of the angled design. I imagine small bits of lint or who knows what getting stuck in there.
I think I smell a giveaway coming... 😅 IT IS TIME, IT IS TIME! Please just bump the prize up juuuuuust enough to cover one of these bad boys and we're set 😉
Ahhhhh this is such a nice piece... Honestly the first from Oris that made me double-take instantly the second I first saw this model. 🎶 Super plain dive watches, just not my thing 🎶/Pusha-T
I respect the Oris brand obviously..
honestly in my opinion I don’t find these dials attractive at all.
In my opinion
Thanks for the video / content Teddy
i don't like the price and the "5 days" label on the dial.
hi can u help me bout my oris cal 400.. just bought it feb 2022.. suddenly stop and bring to authorize service center here in Philippines.. they sent it to oris last oct 2022.. and i took 3months for repair and inform me that oris already replace for new movement.. i claim it today jan 2023 wear it and same issue occur.. it suddenly stop even thought it on my wrist.. i try to wind it but still not working.. try contacting oris but they have no response.. i would like them to replace the whole watch because cal 400 has 10year warrnty and my watch just 9 month old when issue occur.. please help me for oris to reach me thanks
Not really, no.
Still not sure how i feel about this new line. Even though Oris is my favorite watch brand, this specific watch might be a tough sell. It seems as Oris is trying to move up market with inclusion of cal 400 into most of their new pieces but in this new price range, there is some stiff competition. I hope they dont lose lose their way by moving most or all their watches in this 4k+ range bc at that price point, Tudor, Omega, IWC’s of the world will crush them.
At that price point..
A dial that resembles the Globemaster…….
Love Oris but can that dial be more boring.
I might not be the only one saying this but the case and bracelet dont really go with dial. Its a bit too plain
Nah. Big crown pointer is much better IMO (and cheaper)
The watch case and bracelet look like a batman belt. The dial and hour markers are too minimal. Combine together make this watch look a bit awkward.
CHF3900. Nah. Would have got you a Rolex 20 years ago. I'm out of this consumptive hobby, man. Even Seiko is out of control now. Casio only gang.
Yeah, nice, nothing special. I expect at least applied indices and micro adjustment for + 4k. Overpriced. It's a shame bc I really like the design and I think there's potential here
7:40 "the ones who are going to push this watch to its fullest capacity."................
what does that even mean?
I feel like this is a massive miss for me. It's hugely A or B for me. In so much as, i LOVE the case, i LOVE the bracelet. I hate the clasp. I am super underwhelmed by the dial. I love the design choices on the case and bracelet (other than the clasp).
The finishing also seems sub par at least from the videos, obviously i can't speak to in person.
Also the lume situation is frankly unacceptable for what bills itself as a pilot watch.
I dont know i just feel like this was just a big miss. I feel like I've seen better dials on 150 dollar watches. Ive certainly seen better lume.
Hate the clasp too. Everyone online raves about it but it looks like a plane seatbelt... Not exactly something I associate with a luxury watch...
I realize it has an in house movement but $4,300? You can get full titanium, ETA auto, sapphire watches (ex: Boldr Venture) for under $300.
Hey teddy ! is there a reason why you don't review Tag Heuer ! im looking at the aquaracer but I noticed you don't really talk about Tag ?!
Cool watch, but those flat, awful dial colors just kill it for me-especially that Pepto-Bismol pink one. Funny how it’s your favorite of the three colors; but for me, I can’t think of a more incongruent color for a modern, tech/toolish style watch like this.
For that money you need to be meeting very high specs COSC is the minimum standard. looks overpriced to me. I’m not sure about the look.
Fix the calibre 400. Then it is good.
There is only 1 problem for me and that is, it looks nothing like a pilots watch. No numerals not very high contrast dials. How they have the audacity to call it a pilots watch is honestly beyond me.
I think that's most people's gripe with it. However if I forget about the classification of the watch I think it's a really beautiful piece.
@@DrNitin14 Aesthetic preferences is always going to come down to the individual. Some will like, some will not.
To me this watch feels like it's been in planning for a number of years, ever since the release of the flagship skeletal pilots watch, from which this obviously takes inspiration.
However I feel somewhere along the way they saw how popular coloured pastel dials were becoming and decided to do a last minute change from the original dial planned. Hence instead of applied indices like on there current big crown ProPilot watches, they rushed out this simple printed dial to try and take advantage of the trends.
Of course this is only a feeling I have, the dial could simply be what they had planned all along, but to me it feels like a last minute iteration to an incongruent dial.
Also I think for such a simple dial, it's heavily overpriced when compared to their dive watches with the same movement.
Just my personal opinion mind you.
I think micro adjust bracelets are a must if Oris wants to hang with the big boys.
This was addressed by the CEO. It’s not meant to be a pilot’s watch but instead be a pilot inspired watch. They offer pilot watches already. They wanted to make something that had the spirit of a fighter pilot.
4300 LMAO its cool but 4300 is just too much for whats offered. Salmon dial wins hands down.
I don't understand this release. It's supposedly a pilot watch, but has none of the characteristics of classic pilot watches. The bland dial with printed markers and poorly integrated date window make it hard to justify the price point. I was hoping that Oris would use the Calibre 400 to release a real challenger to the likes of the Aqua Terra, but this isn't it. Fortunately, the case and movement are there (if Oris could just own and fix the "jumping minutes" issue). All they need is a premium dial to complete the package.
Definitely not my cup of tea.🙁
Its not that bad of a watch but in what way is it a pilots watch other than the name ? It seems kind of incogruous.
Lovely looking watch but as always, other than Rolex and Tudor, itw just to big. If they release this in 36mm or even 38mm with applied indices I'll buy straight away ! Won't even think twice !
Printed indices no micro adjustments all for only $4300. Sorry Otis another miss for me.
I am considering offering Archie some money to do a review of this oris watch, I really don’t believe there’s enough distance between this and the Tissot PRx, okay you’re getting a fantastic power reserve but I don’t believe there’s going to be a huge gap in accuracy and the looks are very questionable.
Who cares about that kind of power reserve? If it lasts overnight that's plenty, I jist care about lightweight, accuracy, and thinness of the watch...
Those aren't dauphine hands, those are obelisk
Teddy!? these dials are so incredibly boring. we're dropping over $4k for a bland printed dial?
Pilot watch? I think not.
one of the worst dials I have ever seen on a 3000+ watch. printed dial with dull colors, no lume with basic hands set. the rest is quite good. just put a nice dial on it and oris have a winner