$430,000 Watch vs $4,300 Watch: Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 vs Oris ProPilot X Comparison
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
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Today, Tim reviews two integrated bracelet sports watches with colorful dials - at two drastically different price points. For the first time, the Salmon-dialed Oris ProPilot X is facing off against the Olive Green Patek Philippe Nautilus.
First introduced in 1976, the Patek Philippe Nautilus has firmly established itself as an icon with few peers. The Olive Green Nautilus, released in 2021 and produced for under a year, is the most recent production model to carry that legacy. A true celebration, the Olive Green Nautilus 5711/1A-014 served as the swan song for the legendary reference, and as a way for Patek Philippe to mark the end of the long production run of the 5711 Nautilus. This increasingly iconic stainless steel sports model serves as a fitting look back at the history of Patek Philippe in the latter portion of the 20th century.
On the other hand, the Oris ProPilot X was released in 2022 as one of the first watches to represent a new direction for Oris. Made in titanium with a vibrant salmon dial, the Oris ProPilot X Cal. 400 took the thoroughly modern case architecture of the Big Crown Pro Pilot X and combined it with the Cal. 400 movement first released at the end of 2020. This hyper modern interpretation of an integrated bracelet metal sports watch offers us a glimpse at the exciting future of Oris in the 21st century.
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I'm amazed at how Tim will be so honest about watches. That's probably the most refreshing aspect of this channel.
He's not a liar, but if he was truly honest he would tell you that the Nautilus is a gouge even at retail and the Oris is buck ugly.
@@coldteeth24 that's naive to expect that. He is in fact a salesman, so his level of honesty is remarkable. Also, the fact that comments are on and anyone can say anything to these products for sale is remarkable.
I like my $430 Seiko. It’s expensive, but I worked hard for it and it gets daily wear.
That's not expensive, might be a lot for you but it isn't a lot.
@@stanwilson7040 projecting, much?
But how do you look down your nose at the masses with that? If you enjoy laying people off, Patek Philippe is the brand for you. It is the brand that says “I rape subordinates and get away with it.”
@@mr.personal-ity How is your comment helpful?
@@mr.personal-ityya you really are a prick lol
The Nautilus is a good looking watch, but short of its more advanced complications, Patek arguably offers the worst value per dollar of the high horology brands. Most didn’t even have hacking seconds until recently, and pin sleeves on a watch of that caliber is inexcusable. If I had that coin, I’d be looking at Lange, VC, Laurent Ferrier, and others
Just got my ORIS Pro pilot in salmon (pink) and it’s amazing! It wears smaller than what it looks like in videos. 39MM is just the perfect case size!
Apsolutly!
$430,000 for a base metal Nautilus…ridiculous! 🤦♂️
The misaligned pairs of indices at 12 o’clock on the Nautilus is INEXCUSABLE. If you haven’t noticed it, the RH one is lower than it’s brother the left… on a $400k watch!
Saw it, but it was hard to read the difference in person. But nothing is hidden, either. This is a high-magnification video, and I couldn't see the alignment issue with my naked eyes in the light box. The alignment wasn't clear until I was watching this video while I posted it to CZcams. The Oris dial also is printed a bit off-center, but it's a cheaper watch.
Best,
Tim
It blows my mind that this would happen on a $35K watch. I agree with you, it truly is inexcusable.
Isn’t anyone going to applaud Oris for coming up with this PPX masterpiece? So good it’s worth comparison with the legendary star of Pateks fleet (disregarding the ridiculous hyper-inflated billionaire only price) ?
Are the markers at 12 on the Nautilus not in alignment vertically? I can’t imagine that so I’m thinking it is just the camera/angle.
The comparison that nobody asked for but everyone needed
Tim states that the Patek is a better watch ‘in every way’, yet before and after that statement he pointed out the Oris bracelet and clasp is superior…
There's more to a watch than what kind of fixture is used for the removable bracelet links. The Patek feels like an MSRP $35,000 watch overall. I was clear about the limits of the Patek bracelet/clasp and why I think every other part of it is better than the corresponding pieces on that Oris. Also, the Patek bracelet is made by hand and visibly more time consuming to make than the Oris bracelet.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews Tim, many thanks for the reply.
Just received my Czapek Antartique after a long wait - but wow, worth it. The Oris is an awesome time piece, but comparison is tough - the Czapek for 18K vs the Nautilus - not even close when looked at - love the quick change bracelet with micro adjust, love multiple straps and tools delivered, simple, but really well finished micro rotor movement… and history. I do enjoy Patek, lucky to own two dress pieces, but would never ever spend 120k on a blue dial Nautilus, let alone 450k for a mildly different green shade. Yep, no doubt it will hold value - but this hobby is about enjoying the majestic work watch makers do - day in day out on your wrist….
For me in this comparison - Oris all day…. Enjoy paying the vault fees and insurance on the Nautilius :-)
I definitely agree, I bought an Overseas but the Czapek is wonderful and I really tought about getting one
Googled Capek Antarctique. Goddayum that is a lovely watch. Congratulations for getting one - and thanks for putting my attention on this brand!
Agreed with Joshua. Congrats on the Czapek.
I've always loved the Nautilus, it's a gorgeous watch with heritage and style on its side. But you're right about the baggage that comes with it, as well as the scarcity and prices asked. Oris is a great watch company, period. They do simple very, very well. Money no object, I'd still choose the Oris. It's an everyday watch, which is what I want from base metals. Special occasions deserve special materials - gold, platinum - but lounging around, going to work or just grabbing a bite to eat, I prefer steel or titanium, and the Oris is perfect.
@@Danno. nope, definitely would as my daily driver (or one of - my Planet Ocean already serves that purpose). Would the Oris be my only watch? No - Greubel Forsey, FP Journe and Ludovic Ballouard would see to that. Would I buy a Patek? Absolutely - but not necessarily this one. I like the Nautilus, but I also like being able to wear my watches in public without fear of being mugged. Rolex, AP Royal Oaks and the Nautilus are too hot right now to be able to do that in many places, such as London.
If it was the Oris versus the Aquanaut, no contest - the Aquanaut. But it's the Nautilus, and the baggage is too heavy for me to live the way I like to live. The Oris - wear and forget. What's not to love?
@@Danno. very true. Maybe one day we'll get back to watches just being watches, rather than the price of a decent sized house attached to the wrist.
The Oris is the better watch. Better bracelet, better movement, at the very least for the money.
I really appreciated this sobering review - keep up the great variety, thank you Tim
Wish you noticed the indices being misaligned. That is inexcusable for a watch at this price point, even at MSRP.
I put it front and center for you to judge - nothing was hidden here. The Oris dial also isn't printed squarely, but it costs less.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews You can't talk about Patek being quality with something so blatant though. Especially given the MSRP and what Watchbox is asking for it. I expect small errors on an entry level watch, but not an error so obvious on a watch that you are trying to sell for six figures. Transparency is incredibly important nowadays.
The Oris looks like a great watch. My only issue is the dial is so plain. I wish they at least used applied indices to make it pop a bit more
Agreed. You would think that for over $4K retail they would have applied indices. My $800 Tissot Gentleman has them. The Maurice Lacroix Aikon dial puts the Oris to shame.
@@paulsmithchannel it's a shame because otherwise it's a very nice watch. And who knows, maybe for whatever reason it wouldn't work as well as I'm thinking, but I feel like applied indices with a nice strip of lume would really elevate it
Are the two markers at 12 on the Nautilus a little misaligned or is that just me
If you have 430k usd to spend on a watch , IMO just donate a high percent of that money to a charitable foundation (mental health, cancer, hunger, etc) and get yourself something in the sub hundred thousands if you are so inclined, 430K for a watch is just gross
Fun vid Tim. I did pick. And I picked the Oris Pro Pilot. Love it.
Thank you for talking about my favorite watch brand (Oris)!
When you pivoted to the Oris with screws in the bracelet I laughed out loud
There is more history and more profit in Patek, but it shares a lot with Oris and seeing my pocket I give Oris the winner.
There is a very interesting comparison that nobody has done; Divers, in house movement, two crowns, steel and tradition and the two are; Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore Diver vs Jaeger LeCoutre Polaris marine Date ....
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If the oris had applied indices, with a lil bit of better fill lum plots, it would be one crazy good watch,
I personally don't see similarly in style aside from being integrated bracelet sports watches.
But I love the video and comparisons.
I think maybe the Oris is the objectively better watch from your technical description. The Patek is perhaps subjectively better because of the haze of narrative around it.
You’re clueless
Apparently 100x the price and they still can’t colour match the date window
@N A Who make a more durable bag? REI or Hermes? Who cross shops REI and Hermes? Just stop thinking conventionally like a plebe. You think someone looking at a Nautilus is thinking: Wow, that Oris has screws, I'll get that.
I don’t see any problems with pins and sleeves. I had a bracelet watch fixed with screws fall apart in my hand when one of those screws worked its way out, and the screws were supposed to have been secured with Loctite as well.
The bracelet on the Oris is my favorite part. Bezel probably the second. My wife loves this design, planning to get her one.
Get it for yourself, and she'll get it eventually in the divorce settlement 😁
No object: I would rather keep my money and get the Oris. Object: Oris because obvious reasons.
In either case, unless you're a clout hunter or have too much money this isn't even a contest. The Oris is unbelievable value for money even when stacked against the fiercest of competitors.
Super random comparison
Awesome Tim!
Oris wins, hands down. Plus you get to buy a house with your remaining budget.
Same as You obviously Tim,and for the same reasons. I'm not sure if I'd choose that model though. Oris do a good dive watch I'd prefer.
This is great Tim, awesome idea! I've only tried on one of these and it definitely wasn't the Patek, I quite like the PPX but I'm kind of waiting for Oris to upgrade the dial, maybe do a green one.
Just add some applied markers and I will buy it.
when a watch brand catches a break like this, and a watch in there collection becomes how should I put it, best compares to a MeMe watch(stock), retail investors pushed the price up as high as they could go and good for them but PP didn’t do this and the watch didn’t do it, the retail investors did it, I mean it’s a fantastic watch at its base and no one at PP could of seen this coming, they definitely took advantage of it with the the one year offering with the green dial, but that’s just the craziness of the world post 2020.
Oris all the way, just to keep a deposit in the bank. $430k pure kraziness.
At first glance, I prefer the look of the salmon pink, Oris Pro Pilot X. The blue version will be my next watch purchase of 2024.
Nice looking watches. Id be frightened to wear the Patek though so it is Oris for me. I would add, I really don’t give a damn about status or investment value. I like watches for their toughness, warranty and style and engineering and the fact that the Oris has a Titanium case with a 10 year warranty, cements the argument for me.
Well said. Good comparison.
I would like to see a comparison video of the Royal Oak VS Baume & Mercier Riviera. It was released a year after the Royal Oak and before the Nautilus.
Seconded but maybe after I buy a Riviera so the price doesn’t go up LOL
just looked at the Oris today everytime I go to a PP AD there is none to be had. I live in a country where your arm can be amputated to steal your watch, the Oris I will take a look at again after the holidays.
I’d like to see Oris offer more 18K models. Even if they’re slow selling it would bump them up an echelon as a brand.
Unfortunately they rarely do them. I know they released one for their hundredth birthday, and then again in 1997 with their dual time (there's a pre-owned one at a dealer's near me that I've got my eye on). There was also an 8 day manual wind model released a couple of years back, but these are infrequent, unfortunately.
Are you serious 🤣🤣?? The the fu** is going to spend $18k on an Oris.
@@whereRbearsTeeth 18K gold watches, not $18K pricing point. I’ll bet they could do 18K for
LOVE the PPX SO MUCH!!!
The Patek Philippe is almost twice the cost of my house...and I can't afford my house, either.
Should compare the pp to the the citizen caliber 002
I find Patek's dial extremelly similar to Omega Aqua Terra Olive. The print is very similar, Omega also uses white gold for hands and indices. I'm sure even on micro shots you could hardly spot Patek being more premium from dial perspective in comparison to Omega. Of course the price cannot be justified, those pieces are bought purely for investment purposes. 5711 is a 25-30k$ watch
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It’s retail is £26,870 so to me that’s the real price
I bet they both tell the same time!!
Half a million for a green dial… decades later people will laugh about it… i would never call this an investment… I would definitely go Oris regardless of means, the pricing of the nautilus is just absurd… and that’s a club I certainly don’t want to be a part of… let alone having a watch you can never actually wear because of ever growing theft…
Do these 5711's sell at that money? Or the older versions at 100k?
The green dials -014 is around $430-$470K today. It rose as high as $500,000 during the silly season last year, but, like all 5711s, it's down somewhat from those heights. Silver dial 5711/1A models sell for the least at roughly $125-150K.
Best,
Tim
Agreed! Only dealers listing at these silly prices. Most billionaires and millionaires would never pay those prices as they know there money is parked much better elsewhere. These listings are for dealers to bring you into their digital showroom and sell you other marked up preowned timepieces. In fact, I rarely ever see those timepieces forsale
in a real showroom period. Most of those digital listings are not even real.
I wouldn’t feel safe buying this watch used! It can really only go down in price not up.
A Nautilus at retail is a awesome watch, one at the current market rate is nothing more than a colossal waste of your money.
The oris is technology, patek is currency. I'll choose the oris.
Do a drop test from the roof of a parking garage, like they do whenever a new iPhone is released ⤵️
U dont like this Oris, but i love the Oris 5 days Cal 403 or 473
Professional dealer here in Aus is looking for $700,000 for an unworn 5711-14 today. Make of that what you will.
I bought one of those two for 2 weeks.
That amount of cash on a Nautilus is bananas.
not if you are Jeff Bezos who just made more than the asking price while I typed this.
@@davidr2802 or Andrew Tate. He got a Buggati while writting this.
Let's be honest. If you called up Tim to buy the Patek he would throw in the Oris at no extra charge. Which says it all. And in a hundred years the Oris would be somewhere in a drawer or cardboard box with old Seikos, Swatches, and Hamiltons. The Patek, even at $35K list would be a family heirloom everyone would be fighting over. Yes, even with pin sleeves.
The amount of video watchbox is posting these days. means people offloading so hard 😂
The Patek was and is a great watch…but not for $430K. The prices for the Nautilus, most Rolex and the RO are obscene. I’ve been collecting for over 30 years and own more than a few of these pieces but will not buy them anymore at these prices. I’ll stick with Breguet, Blancpain, JLC, Breitling and GO which are still priced sanely.
I’m confused by the comparison of a Patek to an Oris. Literally nobody is shopping both of these watches
Don't spend 430k on this Patek,just spend 350k in a Patek store and you'll be on the list to buy one retail lol.
Maybe at one time. Now you can't get it new for any price.
Best,
Tim
I mean that’s a clever way to think about it 🤔
@@rey_s90 yes it saves you $350.000.
No watch should cost $430 k. Are you kidding me!!
Richard Mille begs to differ
Maybe. Their watches have a lot of work in them. Still it’s a watch and not a Lamborghini 😀
There really can't be anyone actually buying a Nautilus secondhand. I know there's the "greater fool theorem" but I refuse to believe that people are that dumb.
might as well compare a civic type r vs. a ferrari portofino.
Nautilus can’t beat oris
The PPX is in desperate need of applied markers. Otherwise it's a knockout.
13:25 - 13:50 sums up comparison
This watch sells for 430k now? This is the tulip mania of our time.
Only the green dial but yes you’re right about tulip mania.
It's is not a 430k watch..its is a 15k at best watch retailing for 32k and selling for $430k for bragging rights about how much one paid....not much different than RM selling strategy.
they are watches under $30k from.small independent that makes it look like a toy.
No chance that Nautilus is worth 430k. Even at MSRP they're pushing it value wise...
Mid range for a watch vs mid rang for a house 😂
But Patek is a symbol of luxury and prestige , oris is value for money , but Patek is patek
ROFL 400k for a nautilus, the market became a joke
Proceed to Wrist House; do not pass Wrist Car.
The Oris calibre is a bridge if you just can't quite get up to the $5,800 for the Omega Constellation.
The bracelet of the patek.. I can't stand it. Looks like it tapers from 35mm or something.
Whaaat?!
The nautilus is one of the most overrated watches ever 😂 boring and a crappy movement… and a pin bracelet? Jesus
Tim needs his own in-house manicurist if he's going to be making these videos every day, like a couple manicures per day at least
the nautilus is ICONIC
But not worth 400k.
@@ethandavis204 That's opinion, not fact.
@@davidr2802 Objectively speaking it isn't worth it, given the MSRP. But you are entitled to your opinion, just like I am.
@miguel sanchez Are you Ethan's mini me?
@@ethandavis204 I am not advocating for the watch nor the price but perhaps you and your buddy Miguel need to learn the difference between objective and subjective. Subjectively you don't think it is worth it. Fair enough. Objectively you have to say someone does and that is what matters. And I would add often value for money is judged by a person based on how much money they have. If your house cost less than your house you think the price is nuts. If you are Jeff Bezos this is a rounding error that you made while I type this.
Mid-range for a house 🤣
I don’t believe that that watch will go down in value no way it’s worth more Thant the AD price
$35,000
5711 all the way
Disgusting thumbnails there Timmy against a 400k watch. Sigh……
That Patek finish simply doesn’t hold a candle to an A Lange entry level timepiece. 430k for mass market finish? I will happily pass.
Well, one is ugly and one isn't. You all know which is which, don't try to be cute 😆
agreed. that nautilus is ug.
Are u crazy &430,000 for that ugly watch please give me a detona any day