Lucid Air SAPPHIRE vs Tesla Plaid! 1234HP vs 1020! 1430 lb-ft vs 1050! 1/4 Mile! 8.9? 3 Races in 4K!
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2024
- January 4th, 2024; TnT at Bradenton Motorsports Park (1/4 mile)
The Plaid is weight-reduced and running on the stock Pirelli P Zeros on 19” wheels. (Backseats and most rear material removed. Both front seats are still IN PLACE, along with all door panels, airbags, mirrors, 20 stereo speakers and subwoofer remain intact.)
Lucid Sapphire Specs! lucidmotors.com/stories/final...
VIDEO INDEX:
0:00 Intro
0:15 Bradenton Motorsports Park Jan4 2024 (1/4 mile)
0:20 Lucid Air Sapphire (Specs)
0:58 Sapphire’s First-ever Test Pass
1:21 Sapphire’s Second Test Pass
1:55 Ready to Run! Poor Conditions…
3:12 New Prep, Foxbody blows engine
3:50 Waiting for re-prep
4:25 40 minutes later, Bet You a Dollar!
4:36 Plaid vs Sapphire, Round 1, Pro Tree
5:44 Timeslip #1 Review
6:28 Talking with Hunter and Brian
7:38 Lane Swap
7:47 Plaid vs Sapphire, Round 2, Full Tree
10:06 Timeslip #2 Review
10:31 Hunter talks about Round 2, Squirrelly!
11:22 After 10pm, Track RE-prepped!
11:48 Plaid vs Sapphire, Round 3, Full Tree
13:01 Timeslip #3 Review
13:52 Hunter talks about Round 3
15:19 Closing Thoughts
TIME SLIPS:
Run#: ET, MPH, 60-ft, Reaction (Tree), Mode, Result, State of Charge
1. 9.266, 149.17, 1.47, 0.250 (Pro Tree), Launch Mode, W vs Sapphire, 86%
2. 9.743, 148.43, 1.80, 0.047 (Full Tree), Launch Mode, W vs Sapphire, 82%
3. 9.309, 148.76, 1.49, 0.141 (Full Tree), Launch Mode, W vs Sapphire, 79%
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You can buy a model s plaid, model x plaid for the wife, and model 3 performance for the weekend and still have money leftover for the price of the Lucid. Crazy to put that in perspective.
And you'll get a $7500 point of sale rebate on the model 3P!
What I did
Well u get what u pay for. Tesla has no luxury or anything to make it feel like ur in something special or expensive. It's just dull and plain jane. The exterior isnt head turning or a WOW factor. Looks like basic traffic. It has alot of low grade and plastic parts. Theres a reason it's cheap and keeps depreciating.
Also in this video the lucid only lost cuz he didn't have the right modes on.. as he even said in the vid he just got the car. The plaid owner said at the end he fixed his tire pressure and in the comments said he super charged his car after every run and the lucid didn't. The guy didn't know what he was doing yet.
@@user-my4xu4gf1z I'll take a tesla. FSD is thr ultimate luxury. But that's subjective. I also love the way the model s looks.
Model3p, best handling car
Conditions matter. This is why we can’t just “race on paper”. Notice how *both* cars were so much slower in the second race due to declining track prep. Can this Sapphire run 9.0s or 8.90s? Not under these conditions. Yet with similar width tires (all OEM on both cars) and similar battery states of charge, the Plaid was able to more reliably put the power down 👍
That was awesome bet that felt good to beat the 250k car that was supposed to beat everything
I bought one cause of your channel
I saw sapphire doing 8.8sec in quarter mile race.
Yeah Plaid is just way faster, puts the power down better, and the difference in weight is a factor too.
What did you take out to cut weight
You ran a 9.2 so he should've at least ran a 9.0. He wasn't even close to that. Even with perfect conditions, I dont think he could've done a 9.2. Something is up with that Sapphire or it's all hype. Great job as always. You're getting better with the pro tree 😃
The Lucid driver looks not happy with the investment. He thought it would be a night of glory ... Plaid it !
You mean he Plaid the Price 😁
He got Plaid.
@@tommysgoat ive been waiting for someone to say that 😂
no smiley
😂😂😂 exactly that's why I love my Plaid. Lucid who!!! Lol no competition
Plaid has now beat the Demon 170 and the Sapphire, both convincingly. Wasn’t expecting that against the Sapphire!
This is not a stock Plaid...
so much for a 8sec car
Marketing can be a evil and deceptive tool. In the REAL world, conditions aren't perfect all the time. You would think something that obvious wouldn't need to be repeated but love it when REAL life brings you back to reality with a nice kick in the arse
@@cubozoan9448Its 3 tenths quicker than stock. What's your next excuse amateur.
@@cubozoan9448it is stock. He took a "little" bit of weight out of it. It would of made no difference in how the races turned out. Seems lucid is like Dodge and over exaggerates their cars performance numbers. Andrews Plaid is real world numbers in real world conditions and not some publicity stunt fudging numbers. Plaid for the win....again and again!
I thought the Sapphire was a plaid killer😂
Sapphire is a killer of Lucid ;)
Not no more plaid still rules and that’s why I got one
That’s what i thought😅
Good races! Surprised the lucid couldn’t hook up…
Me too! The lucid engineering team should lose their job 😂😂
Interesting races. Be fun to see more of the Lucid. The Plaid just looks totally in its element. Driver and car dialed in.
Driver likes to jump the yellow. Plus the plaid is technically modified with weight removed.
“Driver likes to not sleep at the light”
There. Fixed it for you. 😃
(Every drag racer knows that if you wait until Green appears, you’ve lost the race 👍)
Wow! Very surprising. Congrats on the first to show a real world race between these two vehicles.
👍Conditions matter. Those that are making excuses for the Lucid seem to forget that the Plaid went down the exact same two lanes. And all 3 runs were within 45 minutes of each other.
@@TeslaPlaidChannel he just got the car u guys make excuses when the plaid and other teslas lose all the time. So hypocritical it's insane. U even said u pre condition ur battery before every run and he didn't. Also as another commenter said he needs to have it in drag mode not track
@@user-my4xu4gf1z Cope more. The Sapphire lost this go around. There's no excuses.
Like the demon 170 the sapphire can’t beat a plaid in the real world
That's why I despise those video when you have the Bugatti plaid and lucid. They don't increase the rpms. They just floor it from jump lol
Theirs already videos of plaid getting beat by it what you mean
@@Uncontrolledheavy In the real world you won't have the best conditions is what he mean I think.
Who knows what magic Tesla is doing with the traction control, but, man does it work well!
I wonder the same… pretty amazing what they do on street tires
Electric cars can theoretically adjust traction 1000 times per second. Combustion about 1% of that.
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Andrew.....props to you for slaying that Lucid! I was shocked at how you left him for dead. His car is $250,000. Brand new and still got his ass kicked by your Tesla Plaid with lots and lots of drag racing miles on it! Great video man!Love it!
LOL The Sapphire beats the plaid by about 70 feet in the 1/4 mile every time. But the Sapphire has to be in Track mode, "Drag race." Looks like the old man driving the Plaid had it in Smooth mode.
@@jeffreyengen3134 the Sapphire beats the Plaid? Huh? What races were you watching?
@jeffreyengen3134 not the warranty'd production sapphire only the factory prototype.
echo here...
fun race
gogo A
@@tomrynkewicz7674yes it beats the plaid everywhere on youtube, in this particular video the plaid got better traction but when other youtubers ran lucid vs plaid, when both cars get a similar start, the lucid sapphire beats the plaid
An indicator on this video is the trap speed, the lucid air trapped higher, which shows that it didnt get traction but was quicker, in a roll it would win and with a better launch it would win too
Boy I really enjoyed that Andrew. Great racing buddy. I checked out a Lucid Sapphire a few months ago. Beautiful car but the Tesla Plaid still has me won over. Love the details you posted on each race for this particular vid. And nice job not red-lighting. Nice job on the gracious commentary and wins. My second favorite vid you’ve posted.
Thanks for your kind words. We like the interior of the Lucid, but that price difference is very hard to rationalize.
We look forward to running these races again under better conditions 👍
@@TeslaPlaidChannelI’ve watched many of your vids but haven’t heard you talk about running drag radials. Do you/ have you and is there a diff in 60’ times? I have a MSP on order and look forward to running the 1/4…if my local tracks will let me.
@@GoVols2015 See our videos from the 2nd half of 2021. We ran our Nittos many times, but only at the 1/8th mile track. (Never for 1/4 mile)
LOOK! I paid $250,000 for 8.9sec and lost to a plaid. TAKE IT BACK!!!!! I want a refund😂😂😂
U guys act like speed is the only thing that matters. Looks and luxury is what people want for an EV. Not a car thats a half second faster and doesn't matter in the real world. No one double takes or stares or takes a pic when they see a tesla. Plus their interior doesn't feel special or expensive in anyway imaginable. It's such a plain jane dull car.
😂💯 all the Lucid fan boys are triggered now…
@@user-my4xu4gf1z Um… maybe u didn’t realize this….but….this is the……ummmm……SAPPHIRE trim. So it’s not just ANY lucid, performance stats matter. So much so that they were willing to pay a premium for it.
@@user-my4xu4gf1z Tesla was first, the originator of the modern performance EV and made the fastest production sedan ever. Everyone else (Lucid) is a copy cat now. Tesla is still the most innovative (much like Nikola Tesla himself) and the price point cannot be beat.
you are a dumbo to waste your money on a saphire that is fake.
Congrats Hunter, you paid 3x and still lost. :D RIP Lucid!
The price difference is surprising: $249k vs $89k 😳
@@TeslaPlaidChannelu get what u pay for. I love how this dude never says a bad thing about tesla even if their cars are depreciating into the dirt. The terrible wind noise in the cabin when driving. Tesla using "minimalistic" design as an excuse to cut manufacturing cost down and make their profit margins higher. That's why they are able to cut their prices so much. U get 0 luxury and a lot of low grade material and plastic. Also the lucid looks way more sleek and futuristic. It's actually head turning cool.
@@user-my4xu4gf1zall your OPINIONS, but based on those, you’re a delusional fool
@@user-my4xu4gf1z No, You wrong by alot !! The lucid design is very sucks for sure for old ppl very ugly men. ALSO way overpriced $250K plus tax = $ 275+ and lost 3 time to the Plaid on prep surface wow, LOL Shame for Lucid !!!
@@p3dtesla118 lucid is ugly? Lucid and taycan are the most futuristic head turning designs for EVs. The model s rear end looks boxy and has outdated ugly tail lights that make it look like a grandpa car. I was at a cars n coffee almost a year ago now and a fully custom plaid with rims was parked and absolutely nobody went around the car, stopped too look at it, peeped in the window, or took a pic. Theres just nothing jaw dropping about the design. Nothing feels special about seeing one or how it's interior looks. It's dull and plain jane. I've been ina tesla before and u can attest to the crazy wind in the cabin and poor sound isolation. Nothing screams this is expensive. Doesn't feel like ur in a pure luxury car or a luxury sports car. Too put it into perspective if it's such a unique dope amazing car to drive why don't rappers or athletes drive a tesla. U see them in mercedes, lambos,hellcats,bmw,mclaren,etc.. hell even type of "onlyfans girls car" girls that make $ Hella $ don't even buy a tesla. They get exotics with crazy interior and luxury. If straight line speed is all that matters then everyone back in the day woulda had a dodge demon. Thats not what makes a car feel special.
Nowadays a good engine and a good handling car that looks dope and has luxury sports car interior is what makes a car dope and wanted by the rich. That's why porsches are so highly coveted and they have markups when trying to buy one. Unlike teslas which have to do price cuts too get more people to buy them. The model s plaid was 140k last year and then they realized their base isn't that rich and cut the price and now in one year it's 89k new and 60k used. I wonder why it was ever priced over 100k.. if they can make a profit selling at 89k.. then how much does it actually cost to make with what's inside it and what's used to make it? Must be super low grade cost cutting stuff. Tesla uses "minimalistic" design as an excuse to cut manufacturing cost down and drive profit margins up.
Man, thank you for continually putting up these vids, really makes my mornings
videos are great.
Awsome video. Glad you were able to get some races in with the Sapphire. Many of us have waited to see this match up.
Facts
I just interview the driver on the Sapphire
No way I’m taking a Lucid Sapphire to the track especially in those conditions.
The same conditions for both cars.
From what I’ve seen I admire that Lucid has come so far considering they’re a competitor of the best company in the world. I know the Lucid can outperform the plaid from multiple other videos when it comes to 1/4 mile and 1/2 mile runs, but boy was that thing struggling on those 3 runs. Still prefer the plaid considering the price tag and the fact it’s TESLA❤ But best of luck to Lucid in becoming a thriving EV automaker with a high quality and high performance vehicle👍
We also hope Lucid succeeds! Competition is good for everyone 👍
6000 cars sold last year but ya, competitor. Totally.
@@untilthemoon137 well, to be fair, Tesla also sold just around 60K S/X models in 2023. Can't compare the sales of sapphires to the model 3/Ys. However, I like the Teslas more. I've had 2 model 3s so far, going for an S Plaid next.
best company in the world? By which standard? Not by value, not by ROI, not by employee happiness, not by anything as far as I can see!?
“Multiple other videos”???!! No there isn’t lol. Not real world heads up racing videos like this one. You’re talking about edited and heavily influenced (aka fake) promotional videos in favor of Lucid.
This is the only heads up real world race video between the two cars so far on the internet. And the Plaid gapped the Sapphire on 3 straight runs quite handily.
The actual production models of the Sapphire are slower than the prototype Sapphire from the Hagerty video.
Congrats Andrew on getting the first notable run against a Sapphire on CZcams!
It doesn't get Any Better!
Yep, this is the first real world video of a new Sapphire racing a Plaid. And it wasn’t a good showing for the Sapphire so far…
All the Lucid fan boys keep touting a staged Hagerty video from a year ago where Lucid gave them a specially prepped Sapphire…. Lol (many agree the Sapphire also jumped the start early). 🤷🏻♂️
Tesla wins either way due to the price.
@@speedracerjeff the sapphire DIDN'T win because the race was staged, WHAT?
The sapphire wins because it has a significantly better power to weight ratio than the plaid, it just didnt hook up in this video or else it would have won if it got traction
@@speedracerjeff for you guys:
•Beating a plaid= Staged, the car was tuned/cheating
•Losing to a plaid clearly due to wheelspin=The plaid destroyed the lucid
🤷
@@irtiza4262 woulda coulda wah wah wah…
The Tesla Model S Plaid gapped the hell out of the Lucid Sapphire 3 straight runs. If the Sapphire was so superior it would’ve had no traction issues. This is as real as it gets, no staged and heavily edited race video like Hagerty, this is real world and in the real world you just saw The Plaid gap the Sapphire by several car lengths in 3 heads up runs. The Tesla puts the power down better, no contest.
On point with your driving once again. Your timings off the line shows how much experience you have.
It's amazing 10 years ago a 10second car was fast, now into the 9's with street cars blows my mind
👍Thanks! And yes, we live in the age of horsepower inflation! 😃
Your Plaid and your skills are top notch. Amazing.
Edit: also the consistency is admirable
Thanks! And thanks for watching! Cheers!
This is the first appearance of a Sapphire in any sort of performance face off that wasn't staged by the company. Looks like Lucid's performance claims were seriously overblown.
Did you see the video out there with the Plaid, Bugatti Veyron and Sapphire? I wonder if that was staged.sponsored
@@sab0nesyes it was a souped up prototype for the press. Warranty'd production models are slower
@larryc1616 so your saying with an air update in a sapphire it can beat a tesla?????
Marketing BS:)
If anything I don't believe the BS being posted here. F'ing nonsense by Tesla fanbots.
Nice runs… not bad for the Sapphire first time out… hope to see you guys run again
We will! And with a bit of luck you will be out there on that day too Martin! 👍
@@TeslaPlaidChannel I hope so Andrew!
Curious with the gutted out the plaid if removing the rear seats triggers any error codes and if so do you run resistor packs to defeat and trick the Tesla system?
Two rear seat safety errors appear at all times. There’s supposedly a resistor based solution, but it doesn’t bother us.
Both beautiful vehicles! 🤩 I never would have thought that EVs would become this size, power and capabilities 30 to 20 years ago when the EV1 and other EVs started to hit the road. Amazing machines.
We agree!👍
That's not what I expect from the Saphire but good run Andrew! Looks like Im keeping my plaid
Did you hear him tease rear was ripped out? Race a sapphire when plaid has seats and interior bet is different
Great races. Would it make a difference if you had the track package?
Track Pack is essential for road course racing. But for drag racing, it’s a bit slower.
I’m not sure if you’ve ever discussed this before or not, but at tracks they tell you not to run your A/C because of condensation puddles you will create right? I noticed you running your defrost, does that heat pump system create a lot of condensate puddles when running?
Love the videos BTW!
👍 Actually we’ve mentioned not running the AC a dozen or so times over these last years. It’s VERY important to obey that rule.
As for our defroster, there was a long break between when we turned it off and when we actually went down the track. AND, if the Starter sees any drips from a car at the starting line, they radio to the timeslip booth to tell the driver to turn off their AC. (We’ve never been told to do so because we’ve been careful about it.)
Once again, Good Sir , It's always a real privilege Watching you Race .. Best attitude towards the task at hand .. #INTEGRITY and #APPLAUSE..
HAPPIEST New Year's wishes for Everyone who reads this.. 🎉🎉#theneedforspeed
Plaid FTW all day, everyday!🎉
I noticed you're running the stock 19's without the aero covers. Wondering if you might get a few more mph on the top end running with the aero covers installed?
Other guys that kept them on aren’t running any faster…
And besides, if we go over 150MPH then we need to add a parachute and a HANS device. We’d much rather run 149.x MPH on every run 😃
The extra rotational mass, which has more than double the penalty of linear mass would more than than cancel any savings you'd get in those few seconds of air friction. The aero covers are meant to improve efficiency while at a constant highway speed for hours. Takes a long time and hours for the savings to add up.
Andrew you make the best Tesla racing vids online. Watching you helped make my decision to purchase a 2023 plaid with the standard tempest wheels. Been waiting on some real world experiences of the Plaid vs Sapphire. Video did not disappoint! I am curious if you see the weight savings of upgrading to a 19 in forged rim to cut some rotational mass and shedding a few pounds being worth it? I know some TS115'S would look good but what are your thoughts? Keep up the good work on the vids! Thumbs up as always
Glad I could help! Aftermarket 19” wheels can only help by a few hundredths at most. Tesla’s OEM 19”s are not all that heavy. If ETs are the only consideration, then the way to go is smaller. Like 18”x8.5” front and 18”x9.5” rear. The smaller diameter pays off in moment of inertia and gives far more tire choices. I’ve talked to guys about making these custom, but the bang for the buck just wasn’t there. And since I seem to go through brake pads quickly (every 450 runs), I don’t want to modify the banjo bolt to fit 18”s and then lose warranty coverage in that area 👍
Plaid with that driver is a killer
Amazing, thank you for doing this!
So during the race w the Lucid, you can hear some definitive metal rattling in your car. What is it?
We've removed the sound deadening material and rear trim from the car. The bare metal around the rear hatchback now makes that rattle. But it's not our daily driver (we have a mid-10-second Tesla for that), so it doesn't bother us. Drag racers seem to do anything for an extra 0.01 🤪
(Rear seats and trim made a 0.11 difference in our extensive testing, with more than 400 timeslips both before and after)
It's not the plane, Mav... it's the pilot.😊
Just rewatched the Jason's (Cammisa and EE) Sapphire video and they said that for the Hagerty video with the Plaid, Lucid engineers dialed in the software until the Sapphire beat the Plaid for the specific road conditions for that day. I think their production traction management calibration needs more work given the results shown in this video. It is amazing that Andrew is using 2.5 year old stock tires. Those 19" PZeros are very robust.
👍Very interesting 🤔
And yep, these Pirellis have really impressed us!
Lucid got blown away
Yeah because tesla fan boys prepped lucid to lose. It’s already been shown sapphire beats plaid
@@ArtieStern09 😂
8:44 holy shit, that reaction time is mad!
Thanks, although that 0.047 was just average for this Tesla driver. In the next video after this one, we had a 0.005 and then on February 15th we had: 0.029, 0.019, and 0.019 👍
Another night we won cash for hitting a 0.000, while beating a faster car repeatedly with hole shots: czcams.com/video/rNBlgvR1R8o/video.html
@@TeslaPlaidChannel nahh wtf, even I with a 'vera can't do a below 0.05. My best is only 0.098 😭
Great video sir! Good race
👍Thanks Amar! Hope all is going well with you and the family! 😃
Crazy numbers by both cars😮
Andrew is that good of a racer!!
He knows exactly what to do with his car!
Great job Andrew!!
Thanks Ted! 👍
I've seen a Lucid Sapphire run a 1.42 60' with a 8.94 @ 153mph. So with a 9.3 run and a 1.67 60', that car is on track for an 8.9 in ideal conditions. I know people are focusing on the pure drag race numbers for the $250k price tag, but they likely aren't considering that it's also a Mercedes S-class tier interior on top of that performance. It's a truly remarkable car, and very beautiful to see. You being gutted and cutting incredible reaction times really put a gap on the Lucid, congrats! You may have more trouble in the summer months doing that.
We hope to run these races back in better conditions 👍
@@TeslaPlaidChannel I can always count on some good sportsmanship from your races, regardless of the outcome
He's not gutted lol start making up more stuff up. Gutted would be a whole lot more than 170lbs.
@@TB-vb3ov just using his own words. Removing all your extra seats and 90% of your interior is considered gutted. You're arguing semantics at this point and I'm guessing @TeslaPlaidChannel would agree.
@@scottc78 No I doubt he would agree with what you said about his Tesla being gutted. It has some wright reduction sure but not gutted dude. There is still a significant more weight reduction he could do do get into 8s consistently.
Given the trap speed when the Lucid was at a higher SOC, I’d say it’s a quicker/faster car but VERY MARGINALLY! From a dig though, it clearly isn’t putting the power down and Plaid is a better ET car, ie, better car at the drag strip!
Looks like that Sapphire just can’t put the power down like the Plaid, so I’d say 9 times out of 10 the Plaid is most definitely a Sapphire killer!
Impressive considering the price delta-you can almost buy 3 Plaids for the price of that Lucid! 😂
Unless you bought a Plaid new or any Tesla! The you find yourself underwater within a few months due to price cuts! Profit at lower margins at the detriment of your most LOYAL customers is not a recipe for future success
@@Dou6.2 well if you currently buy a Plaid you can be sure you’re secure at an entry price of only $90k!
Where as Lucid may not even be around in a few years with their current market trajectory…….🤣🤣
How about the C8 buyers who paid $100k over sticker to get their cars early? And Demons too? Too many others to list. But that’s okay because the money went to those great guys we call “dealers”?
Lucid traps 156 on a good track. That was not a good track. Lesser hp will win almost every time on a less than stellar track prep. Plus different sizes wheels. Good for him but this doesn't prove that a Tesla is faster. It proves that the driver and that exact car was faster on that might.
I'm not a Lucid fan boy but I am a fan of fast cars and making sure folks are informed.
#truthbomb
sounds like ICE excuses. The excuses never stop. Plaid is just a better and faster car
I freakin love this. Real world testing with real customer cars. That 170 pounds wouldn’t make up the difference that you kicked his butt by. 2.5X the price. So not worth the premium.
👍Correct about the 170 pounds: worth 0.15 at most (in perfect conditions).
The closest finish here was more than 0.4
Power-to-weight Ratios!
Sapphire: 4.29 lbs/HP (5300/1234)
THIS Plaid: 4.51 lbs/HP (4775 - 170 lbs removed; 4605/1020)
The Sapphire STILL has a significantly better power to weight ratio!
Well they ran it again and the real customer car saphhire won 😂😂 u were saying?
@@user-my4xu4gf1zpfffft! Give me a break. Again it’s 2.5X the price and it won’t by a tenth of a second. Big f’ing deal. The Plaid will out handle and out brake it. Those 800 extra pounds are not your friend when it comes to physics.
@@twothbeave it trapped 6mph faster that's a huge gap. If they did a roll race the plaid woulda got gapped even more. Once again it cost more becuase tesla has the same interior as a model 3. 😂 nothing feels special or expensive inside a tesla. They feel dull and boring and have 0 luxury. U can just look at the interior of a lucid and tell which car is the more premium product.
Great races. You were great at the tree as usual. I wonder if the LUCID pre-conditions the batttery for drag racing like the Plaid does. Without heating the battery, it's very possible that the LUCID did not get it's full HP potential. A cold battery can't discharges as fast as a hot one.. Just a thought.
👍 Interesting theory. I asked the first driver about that and he said he had it in the top race mode for awhile before our first race (including those 2 test passes: 9.33 and 9.45), so I would think it should have gotten warmed up. Just like I had to with the Plaid before my first run, it said "10 minutes" til Peak Performance so I went to the far corner of the empty pit area and gave it some quick bursts of power to get it warmed up faster. (The Lucid's two FULL test passes would have done much more, I never got the Plaid over 60 MPH)
Seems the Saphire may have better peak performance, but the Plaid has more consistency, judging from the few non-marketing - ie real life - videos.
Close races, but can't deny that it makes the Plaid look like a steal at $90k.
Great video!
agreed
I love my plaid. Can't beat it really. The plaid ruined the car community lol. Imagine an out of the box 9.2 car that costs 90k lol. Love it!
Let the iceheads cope with Electric American Muscle #1
The new bmws can easily beat it with a 10k turbo upgrade. I've never seen a tesla plaid win ever in the street racing scenes.
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Street racing fr $ ^^^ plaid loses back too back to the new gen m3 and loses to the new m340i . Also this guy just posted a video of the saphhire in the right settings and the plaid lost 😂😂
@@user-my4xu4gf1z That's the issue though. It's always my car can do xyz if i install xyz. Any car can be made fast there's not doubt about it. The fact a car can do 9.2 for 90k, seat 5 people and not worry about anything breaking because you're modifying it just makes it that much sweeter when you do beat modified cars on the road.
Hey Andrew! Nice job beating the Sapphire! Do you know when you’ll be able to race this car again? Looking forward to see you race it in good conditions!
We haven't scheduled any specific date yet. We are at the mercy of the weather this time of year. Could be as soon as this Thursday's TnT session with good weather though 👍
@@TeslaPlaidChannelI get it, winter is being rough I suppose. Also, do you happen to know what tires the Sapphire was using? Seems it couldn’t get its power down. But the Tesla did really good!
@@TeslaPlaidChannelOh and also one more thing. On lucid’s official video with the sapphire running 8.9 its settings were: Track mode, Endurance track, full traction control, and high regenerative braking. Do you perhaps think these settings could make Hunter’s Sapphire faster? 🤔Because if I recall, you said his sapphire was on swift right? I think with these settings he could probably run a faster time.
@@toxicgamer1119 I’ve never been inside a Sapphire, so all I know is what they both told me. They put it in the fastest mode (apparently “drag strip”), and traction was a problem. They tried disabling the traction control for one pass only (our 2nd race, their worst pass).
We can all agree that a 9.33 pass with an incredible 152.3MPH trap speed is not going to happen in anything other than the fastest mode. In the Plaid, the 2nd fastest mode gives 120MPH traps, a huge difference. Unless the Sapphire had like 20 modes (it doesn’t), that first test pass was obviously the fastest mode. And the other 4 passes had similar trap speeds, only slightly diminished by traction (TC algorithm? Tires? Conditions? All 3?), and possible heat soak
@@TeslaPlaidChannelinteresting… so it may have been TC issues after all, or for the other reasons you mentioned. Hopefully they can do better whenever you two race again. But I’ll be rooting for you Andrew! You got this :)
That Lucid driver didn't look very happy 😂
Obviously, the track ruined the race for him, it wouldve been such a good race otherwise
@@irtiza4262How did the poor track only hurt his car and not the other? They had the same conditions.
@somenygaard its because the lucid is more powerful and the tesla is less powerful so it can hook up in worse conditions
@@irtiza4262 Track condition was ridiculous. The Lucid Sapphire has already proven to be a Tesla Plaid killer by too many testers at this stage to show this video for the nonsense it truly is.
I have to say you did some great driving there. Would be nice to see you drive the lucid and see if it can be driven better 👍🏼
Because auto insurance doesn’t cover dragstrip activity, owners are very reluctant to let anyone else race their car. If it’s wrecked, there’s NO recourse. No coverage. Bad enough if we do it to ourselves. But if someone else totals our car and no way to seek reimbursement? Too risky.
@@TeslaPlaidChannel but with that said. I’m pretty sure you can do better 😉
SO have these tracks changed their rules for these cars? Weren't they initially kicking them off for no roll cage?
The NHRA rules changed in Feb 2022, but yes, we were getting hassled for those last 6 months of 2021 with this car. The new ‘Street Legal’ Rules for 2014 and later model years requires: “Unaltered OEM installed antilock brakes, OEM airbag functions, OEM stock frame\unibody construction, including OEM floors and firewall, as well as all other OEM safety-related systems must be functioning as per manufacturer’s specifications.” More at: www.nhra.com/nhra-street-legal
Omg I am so happy everyone keeps saying my plaid can’t beat these !!!
Yes they can we are the king baby still
Lmfao. Never seen something so cringe in my life. If people wanted a plaid and thought they were cool every celebrity, rapper, and athelete would have one. Speeding in an Tesla is like having sex with earplugs in. When u go fast only ur body feels it.(Except for the terrible wind noise from poor sound isolation.)When u speed in a real sports car it fills all ur senses.
Teslas dont feel like ur actually in a luxury sports car. Being in one or seeing one doesn't feel special.
Who wants a quick car that every average joe can get. That doesn't look aggressive and mean with a luxury interior and a head turning engine... u sacrifice all that to accelerate quick once in a blue moon. Real high end luxury sports cars are just as fun to go slow in as fast. Nothing feels special about being inside a tesla. Deep hard truth bra .
Tesla is having historic depreciation across the board. When ur supposedly most expensive car goes down to 60k resale vale used in one year thats worse depreciation then any car company in the world.
Umm your plaid cant beat it just try it when u see one
@@user-my4xu4gf1z
Awwwww we are king still
@@unborn3671
Awwwww someone don’t like facts
@@user-my4xu4gf1z Says the owner of an even worse depreciating car that they are losing crazy money over. Lucid can’t sell a stick of gum but a bum like you came along and took the bait. If Lucid makes it through the 2Q they may survive a bit longer but that Sadphire will NEVER BE PROFITABLE. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
" POWER İS NOT POWER WITHOUT CONTROLS" Tesla has a amazing traction control....
Definitely loving the lucid
For about half the price, we might consider one. Hopefully their traction control algorithm will be improved in a future software update, as it simply wasn't doing the job on this night. (And with those 30-series tires, it was a very tough job to be done!)
8.9s car can’t even do a consistent 9.2? Not the best conditions but the Plaid was laying down its advertised 1/4 mile time pretty closely. Even lane Swaps and the Lucid can’t run low 9’s? I don’t know man, I don’t know. Maybe they haven’t learned the car yet. 🤷♂️
Or maybe the car is not what is was advertised. Test mules and production ready cars are not the same. Real world and test environments are not the same. This was the FIRST production made Sapphire in a REAL WORLD environment. According to Lucid it should be be able to roll up to the line a pull a high 8 at 156mph. Sure the conditions weren’t right for that but that’s life. Everyday is not a perfect day and that Sapphire has some proving to do mainly match or exceed its marketing numbers in the REAL WORLD. I pretty sure it won’t succeed.
@@user-zf1ol7op7y It’s a big let down! It looks good, but I was never a fan of that $250K price because at that price I can buy a Plaid Model S and Plaid Model X which both has a glass roof and still have money left over. Even in perfect condition if that car never run a 9.2 or 9.0 they will regret buying that car.
I’m fully convinced now that it’s all about the driver
I don't believe that I could have gotten that Sapphire down the track any faster (ET) under these conditions. With some time and tires, perhaps. But since the RT doesn't affect the ET anyway, my minor advantage on RT was inconsequential.
That sapphire owner is a legit mature racer with multiple modded fast cars. He's not the problem
Treed the sapphire! This is Exactly what I expected, with a gutted Plaid! Great results! YES!!!
Yet the math shows that even with full interior (+0.15 sec tops) and a 200 pound passenger (+0.2 sec), we still would have crossed the finish line first. (Closest margin was over 0.4 sec)
The Plaid is not “gutted”. Pulling the back seats and some soundproofing from the back half of the car does not qualify as gutting. It’s mostly considered weight savings.
@@user-zf1ol7op7y SO??? What are you trying to say? ZF1
Full gut is 400-500lbs = 8.7-8.8's. Chet gutted 700lbs by cutting out metal panels too.
Its like splitting hairs. Lucid looks awesome!!
That wasn’t dew coming down the back windshield that was actually a scene from Star Trek enterprise full power!
Plaid reigns Supreme 🎉
Great runs, haven't seen one of these in the wild yet but when you can buy 2.5 Tesla Plaids for the cost of 1 Sapphire they are bound to be more rare. I like that there are options though for really fast electric sedans.
👍 Agree! More options are good for all of us!
I want a Saphhire so much. And when I get one, I want it to become a wagon. It's been done to Model S by multiple designers, so why not? Especially excited for the reportedly amazing handling.
nice, What color do you want one?
Was waiting for drag times, there you go.
Yep, we raced the exact same car 3 months earlier. And we did it on a regular track on a regular night. (Not pre-arranged with a private track rental that has unrealistic levels of prep.)
@@TeslaPlaidChannel good point regular conditions. Like road conditions sometimes unpredictable.
Low 9s on a 4dr sedan is nuking futs!
I just interview the driver the other day on his Lucid Air Sapphire
Thank you for exposing the Hagtery channel and whom they probably received payments from etc….
They were souped up or maxed out prototypes for journalists. Tesla has the best EV tech. They didn't come out with the 1100hp S+ models because the 18650 batteries would not be reliable long term. The production sapphires have to hold back because of warranty and reliability concerns as well. We'll have to wait for the next gen 4680 or blade LFP's to get 400hp/motor vs today's 18650/21700 350hp/motor.
@@larryc1616 And the reliability record short and long term has yet to be determined for the Sadphire. Will certainly be interesting to see how it holds up in the real world.
Great reaction times
Thanks! We’re trying to be consistent but staging depth is a challenge since the Plaid often “surges” while entering the beams. And then we can’t leave when we want to (unless we are perfectly shallow), otherwise we risk a red. Last night was better: 0.029, 0.019, and 0.019 again. Not too bad for a two-pedal foot brake launch 😃
Congrats on the 102k views Andrew!
Thanks! 😃 We can’t predict which ones will be recommended more by the algorithm, so we strive for a high quality edit on every race 👍
Software + Engineering for the win.
Indeed, folks seem to focus so much on the HW and overlook the critical importance of the SW 👍
Wow you are one hell of a dragster with the plaid. Hats off for great driving even in crappy conditions. Both cars are incredible. But I will always choose the Plaid. Best value for the money you can buy!
I wish I didn't leave early on Thursday 😕 nice runs
same over here
That sapphire was wrecking everything and having fun til the plaid came along. By the 2nd race after switching drivers coz the son probably said “dad you suck, let me take him” then proceeds to get his ass whooped, he was ready to get paired with a model 3P again😂
We're not certain that it went *exactly* like that, or if those were the *exact* words spoken, but then again we can't say for sure 😃
I saw a couple Plaid prices touching the 50k range now. Ill probably finally get one later this year
Yup a poor mans quick car. One trick poney for average Joe's that have never experienced a quick car. Too bad ur lacking the head turning dope exterior,special feeling and expensive luxury interior, and a unique dope head turning rumbling engine underneath u.
nice, Thanks for the heads up
I knew Andrew would smoke that Lucid. Kid in the Lucid didn't sound happy. "That's fine" suckerup buttercup
Congrats! Could you make a video how you lowered 170 pounds please?
Many of our videos show the back interior in detail. Mid-2022 videos especially 👍
@@TeslaPlaidChannel 😎👍👍
Power-to-weight Ratios!
Sapphire: 4.29 lbs/HP (5300/1234)
THIS Plaid: 4.51 lbs/HP (4775 - 170 lbs removed; 4605/1020)
The Sapphire STILL has a significantly better power to weight ratio!
That plaid is fast as hell damn
Gettin’ the job done 👍
Andrew, can you comment on the Sapphire's tire break-in? You said it had low miles on the odometer.
At 443 miles, its likely the tire has not fully worn off the mold release and anti-oxidation coatings. This would negatively impact traction off the line, which is what we see here.
Regardless, great racing! I look forward to seeing more from the Sapphire. Plaid FTW!
You are absolutely correct sir! That may indeed have been a factor.
Only thing that’s strange is how much progressively worse it got with each run. Whereas the effect of any remaining coating on the tires should have been consistent, or getting slightly better.
It reminded us of how Teslas used to have an issue with repeated runs due to thermal issues. The trap speed went from 152.3MPH on the first test pass down to 146 and 148 on the last two runs. Even tire spin wouldn’t cost that much MPH, as you’ll note that even with major spinning in the Plaid’s dirty lane, and losing HALF A SECOND in the 2nd race ET, the Plaid’s trap speed only dropped by 0.74 MPH. Less than ONE MPH. So something else seemed amiss with the Lucid.
Andrew, they should let you drive the Lucid to see if results improve.
The S Plaid is insanely fast for a stock sedan
Before Commenters point out that THIS Plaid has had a bit of weight removed (back seats and some trim), THIS one is only 0.11-seconds faster than stock. It ran a best of 9.26 at FULL WEIGHT, and then 9.15 after the back seats came out. Coincidentally, on this cold night the Plaid ran a best of 9.26, exactly the same as before any weight was removed. (Because of course: Conditions Matter!) And we know (from our more than 1850 Tesla timeslips) that EVs run slower in the cold due to battery discharge, plus cold tires, cold surface, etc.
The margins at these level of power is going to come down to driver’s reaction time.
Should have come down to RT, except that the Sapphire could not hook up in these conditions, hence the bus length gaps
Power-to-weight Ratios!
Sapphire: 4.29 lbs/HP (5300/1234)
THIS Plaid: 4.51 lbs/HP (4775 - 170 lbs removed; 4605/1020)
Why do the Lucid fans keep talking about the 170 pounds removed from the Plaid instead of the above?
Seems pretty disingenuous to us 🤔
The Sapphire STILL has a significantly better power to weight ratio! (Even after 170 lbs removed from the Plaid)
Note: Lucid’s web site lists all other dimensions except for weight.
This Sapphire owner said “about 5300”.
Wikipedia lists: 5,203-5,236 lbs (if correct, then the power-to-weight ratio for the Sapphire is even better!)
Well you know what that is about. Immature losers come up with ANY excuse they can find. In contrast, when you lose a race, you either site something you did or didn’t do or the other car is just faster. That is a mature response.
Because that lucid air sapphire is a luxury ev, it’s heavy as a rock!!! 🪨
Sapphire is a 5400+ sedan.
Didn't the Hagerty channel race Sapphire with the S Plaid and the Tesla lost?? Did they rig that race???? I think so....
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Those Lucids are beautiful cars. Drag strip king or not. If yiu get a chance to ride in one, DO IT. It truly is a luxury car.
Right on 👍. We like them, although that price is hard to justify
That's not dew on the back glass of the Tesla.
That is the trails from the stars and planets when you hit warp speed.
But the Media and Journos said the Sapphire is better!
Those were souped up press cars
The Lucid needs 4 ET street R’s to put down 1400 tq.
Perhaps. A burnout mode will also be needed to heat them up
Not according to their marketing team. Somebody over there is straight up lying.
That Lucid driver looks disappointed 😂
thought that thing was supposed to be a "plaid killer"
I love how Tesla owners are so hypocritical.. we all know the lucid is faster.. just like when yall think the plaid should of beat whatever car it was against yall always say "SoC?" "Those aren't stock tires" "It wasn't in the correct racing mode" just shut up man. This proves nothing we have countless other vids showing the lucid is faster. This vid is an anomaly . The lucid owner even said he just got the car and the settings and modes where all messed up.
@@user-my4xu4gf1z lol you going to post this on every comment ?
@@UltimateTViptv ye cuz it's hilarious how as backwards and insecure tesla owners are. After watching this video I now have came to a realization on why tesla owners are so insecure and always talk about speed and why they got so mad when other cars beat them in racing bra 😂 .. this just might be the most boring view and dashboard/interior/noise of a vehicle I have ever experienced. I'm not even trying to be a tesla hater I could buy this car rn. The noise of just traffic and no rumbling engine and this plain jane view out the window..wow. without the speed a tesla comes with its literally the most boring car to drive around in ever. 😂😂 I see why they only talk about that and get so insecure when u say other cars are faster. It's all that makes this car cool in anyway imaginable. Wow.
@@user-my4xu4gf1z Projecting much? Insecure much? Lucid lost. Tesla won. The end.
@@BasementTracks yup lucid is now 8-1 vs tesla plaid in racing vids online.. 🎊
Saphire Driver a little bit pissed…i would be too. 3x the Price of the Plaid. Go Tesla🎉
Bit weird to buy a car just to drag race it, thought EV where supposed to be green cars, but everyone is just racing them, who wudda thought
Because they have become the new toy to bring to the drag strip before the uber wealthy.
That’s not dew buddy, you went plaid!
This is a comment for another video because this video is newer. Tell the guy with the copo to either raise the rear suspension slightly or to raise the wheelie bar slightly. From what it looked like in your other videos, he was riding the wheelie bar spinning tires.
👍We agree and those were his adjustments this week. He had a good test launch on this same Thursday as the Lucid races. No spin. But now the car seems to have a misfire under speed. Similar to what is shown in our 4th race (first race of that last video), but now it’s a bit worse.
For the price of that lucid you can buy two plaids and a model 3…. 😅
Gotta say the win over the Lucid also had to do with the driver mod a bit. You've had much more time and experience in your Plaid, where as they probably haven't done much racing in the Lucid so are still learning the quirks. Well done!
Somewhere in between those two points. Yes, we are confident they will run faster in the future. Yet also worth noting that our Plaid made incredible runs right off the showroom floor. We made 20 dragstrip passes on the day we took delivery, and no special learning was needed to get fast times. And on this night, we patiently waited 3 hours while they made test passes to get comfortable. Just sayin’
Is that true? I thought the reaction times didn't factor into the ETs.
Wow this is great marketing for telsa. Sucks to own a lucid 😂
I've found that turning traction control off on an EV usually doesn't give you the expected results.
Agree!
Seems like everyone but Tesla chooses the "bigger battery is better" route to power. Clearly that has limitations. Chevy might be the poster child for stupidly huge batteries, but it appears Lucid could not resist either.
👍 Indeed, that weight penalty has consequences. Seems like with current battery technology, the sweet spot for sedans is 85-105kWh
Lucid's bigger battery is also good for a lot more range, and it is actu as efficient as the Tesla, unlike pretty much every other EV out there. The extra battery isn't a bad choice in this case.
Hi Andrew, I saw that Brooks showed a Lucid Sapphire that run 8.94 in the 1/4. But it was racing it's twin, so I wonder if it was a factory cheater promo and can't be replicated? Glad you found one to race and even better that you came out on top! Hopefully you can both run again in better conditions. Lucid driver seemed a little bummed. I would be mad after spending 250k!
We certainly hope to race again in better conditions. As for that other Channel, “cheater” sounds likely 🤔
@@TypeF173 See the Comment above. “Factory Cheater” means a car that…oh never mind. Look it up if you don’t know!
Souped up Press cars are not warranty'd production cars
@@larryc1616 And many have said that it wasn’t wearing production tires. (Maybe drag radials instead?)
Honestly I like the look of the Sapphire waaaay better
Eye of the beholder 🤔
(Or 🍺-holder?)
@@TeslaPlaidChannel lol
The Lucid has better range that’s the most important to me
We each have different needs. Although we don't daily drive this Plaid, we always get home from the dragstrip with 50% charge leftover (about 85 miles away) without stopping to charge of course.
A better range doesn't necessarily mean you'll get to your destination quicker if you are on a long road trip: czcams.com/video/-NF-LnI5_U4/video.html Admittedly, when Lucid is allowed to charge on the Tesla supercharger network in 2025 it will have an advantage on roads trips, it's just not today.