RED WINGS FREE FALL, RAYMOND & CHIAROT SCRUM, & NHL EXPANSION - Winged Wheel Podcast - Mar. 10, '24
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- It has only gotten worse for the Detroit Red Wings.
Tune in as we start by discussing the 6th consecutive loss (this time to the Buffalo Sabres) for Derek Lalonde's squad, including Lyon, Reimer, Petry, and Chiarot's rough nights, Raymond making a small impact from Kane & Fabbri, Detroit being dominated by Benson & Co., another slow, weak effort, & more (3:55). After that, an updated look at Hockeytown's playoff chances, upcoming schedule and implications with Larkin gone (16:35).
We then discuss the minor scuffle that broke out in practice between Lucas Raymond and Ben Chiarot, whether it's a good or bad thing for the team, & what to look for going forward (22:10). Then, overall thoughts on the season as a whole, whether frustration is an overreaction based on expectations for the season, & what's ahead for Steve Yzerman (Edvinsson, Johansson, Kasper, or Mazur in the future?) (32:00).
After that, a debate on the NHL expansion question, as Atlanta has jumped into the mix with Utah & other prospective locations: how many teams is too many (46:10)?
All of that & lots more before we take your questions and comments during our Overtime segment (1:01:55) - enjoy!
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What bothers me so much about this team is the lack of passion. They glide around the ice and do not skate hard. I have watched the coyotes play 30 games this season and although they went on a 14 game skid...they outskated, outworked and overall looked better than the teams they lost to.(got goalied and their own goalie sucked) i yet tune into the yotes because they are fast, fun to watch and are legit dawgs. They skate hard. I would take their roster over ours if we could put redwing jerseys on them. Guenther, Cooley, Keller...what i will not tolerate or watch is a team of heartless guys whom make millions a year to pout. That is the redwings right now. They simply do not care. Please waive, trade or buyout half of this roster please.
Raymond probably asked Chiarot "How did you manage to be a -4 in the first period last night?"
"Hey Benny, I put a leash in your locker in case Tuch wants to walk you again"
"Let fury have the hour. Anger can be power. You know that you can use it." - The Clash
Larkin has to be feeling so let down. This team is loaded with veterans. It seems insane to think this can even happen.
Content and comfortable=veterans
This team needs some heart. They are gutless.
Did anyone see the 4-5 min video from nhl network on CZcams about how bad red wing’s defense was last game? It would be funny if it wasn’t our team…
I did haha. I showed my fiancé and even she could tell we suck.
Keeping Kane is a no brainer! We have no other superstars besides him and Larkin and they aren't even point producing like MacKinnon and such. Kane not having a minus stat in Buffalo says plenty. Kane needs 2 more years!
Can’t have one driver of the bus. Yzerman has a ton of work to do this summer ( nothing new for him). The defense needs an overhaul and I believe we need a superstar. Depth is great; but contenders have a mix of depth and top end talent.
Yzerman said at start of the season that he felt this still WASN'T a playoff team and not ready. If you've paid attention enough you shouldn't be shocked that they have shit themselves again like last year when they were in the driver seat and that 8 point lead was not big like a couple of you guys said it was a few episodes ago and one of you thought they were a playoff lock 😂.Wings are still a ways away from being where they need to be.
No. He said it wasn't a make or break year for making the playoffs. Last year he expected them to compete for a playoff spot. So he is covering his butt.
He signed garbage and Kane was the one of two signing that he was lucky to sign the rest is overpaid.
If he knew these team wasn’t good then sell but to stand pat and say well I have all my draft picks is weak excuse to say when players we’re getting traded for three years in future draft picks.
@@codyfrisby911 The team was in a playoff spot at the deadline. You don't hard sell if your team is competing. That would be ridiculous.
There's no excuse for this. That 8 point lead was big enough that even if we won two of the past seven, we wouldn't be talking about this the same way.
Larkin is Hank light
Petry's dad played for the Tigers! who gives a fuck. Copp is from Michigan! who gives a fuck.
Which makes it worse that those two specifically aren’t playing with the heart that Larkin plays with.
Truuuuuuuuue
Maybe he should have played baseball like his dad
They should give a fuck. We don't have to, but they should.
Maybe the patch injured Larkin
Too much extra weight on his back😊
Maybe Larkin was so disgusted with having to wear it he decided he wasn't coming back until it was gone.
Between the seasoned veteran signings and hometown boy signings, you'd think this team shouldn't be as inconsistent and uncompetitive as they are on a game to game basis. Honestly even shift to shift some of these veterans should be better than they are
They're playing possum, then when they enter the playoffs they'll look like an injured dog, and BAM !!
Brad and co. pulling their best impression of the Allen Iverson practice press conference speech. What are we talking about...? Practice!? 🤣
"The team was returning from the war". Good one. 😁
First game I turned off all season
Last two games I noped out .
Edit: buff and Arizona games
Same here. I felt shitty turning them off because I'm not a fair weather fan and I never miss a game, but it was just putting me in a bad mood
You guys need to go into the dressing room and get these guys mad. It doesn't seem like Lalonde is doing a little of yelling and screaming to get these guys motivated.
Same
@@BradEdwards-jn4kk especially considering we've been so good at come backs all year, this one just felt awful the whole 60
I'm so tired of people saying their upcoming schedule is easy, so don't worry. They get badly outshot, out-hustled, and dominated by some of the worst teams in the league. There seems to be no sense of urgency or emotion.
I have a feeling they will get back on track and get in the playoffs
Must be nice
I don't even want to hear the P word right now. I can't let myself have those feelings, it will hurt too much if it doesn't happen.
After seeing what Buffalo did to us, I don't ever wanna hear the argument about having too many left-handed defensemen. If that's the strength of our prospect system then make it the strength of the lineup with bringing Edvinnson and Johanson up next season.
Steve Yzerman has given out long term contracts to Chiarot, Copp, & Holl and even TRADED FOR Petry. He is losing his mind. This team has zero athleticism, zero heart it's pathetic. I would rather be the Sabres and have such a young team than what we currently have. The fact we have ZERO ROOKIES on this team to begin with is so disappointing.
zero second year players as well, keep Edvinsson and Johansson in GR while Petry makes mistake after mistake without any consequences, starting to think Lalonde is spineless. 0 top 3 picks in a 10 year rebuild is pathetic, Debrincat is so 1 dimensional it's stupid, that dimension he's not even that good at, for a guy who is 5'8" he is slow as shit. Copp contract is horrible, the guy is TERRIBLE offensively and he's making 5.8 for 3 more years.
@@danb239 There's not much anyone could have done about not drafting top 3 at any point of the rebuild. They were terrible for four straight years and even with the best odds at 1st overall, they dropped to 4th. Did you really want them to just continue tanking year after year? At some point, you have to make moves to improve the team and build a winning culture. I'm not a huge fan of all the signings made by Yzerman, but I take issue with the term of the contracts more than the players themselves. Perhaps guys like Copp and Chariot will be easier to trade away when the cap goes up, and teams may be more willing to make a trade with some term left on their contract versus pending UFAs. Yzerman has his work cut out for him, but let's not lose sight of what an absolute disaster this franchise was when he took over. I'm not sure if any other GM could have fixed the team by this point. I'm not saying that every decision Yzerman has made has been perfect or without error, but I think he's done a reasonably good job. Now, if he goes out and doubles down on 30+ year old veteran free agent signings again this offseason, and further blocks prospects like Edvinsson and Johansson from taking a spot on the roster, then at that point I'll probably start majorly questioning Yzerman's decision making, especially if they miss the playoffs again next year. Yzerman preached patience when he took over, and as fans that's really all we can do is have patience, unfortunately.
Great way to say it as always guys.
I'm with Evan, to be honest. I think this stretch has been a, for lack of a better word, is a phase. All it takes is one solid game to get back on track!
Why worry? They know their going to win when it's crucial...
You took the words right out of mouth. "That was ugly! That was really, really ugly."
Good on Razor, I like that kid. As far as this skid goes it's very "on brand" for the Wings this year. The streaky play. The bad performances in Sweden. Being total trash coming off of multiple days rest. Going on a 6 game heater. Showing up on prime time for a few strong wins. Kane choosing them for a comeback. All of it. If nothing else the Wings have been entertaining this year. Tune in for what happens next...
The scrap that saved the season im calling it RIGHT NOW! Before the Coyotes game
I wish you had been right. Garbage patch curse continues.
Now is the time to bring in MCDC.. he can save the wings like he saved the lions. He will get the boys fired up and ready to go. I mean seriously newsy needs to call him and specifically say "I need you to come pump my guys up we need a spark"
There better be a camera in the room
0-6 with those garbage jersey ads ,, time to take them off
0-6 with the patch
You ppl still going on about the patch? Lol
@@TheZillatattoo yep absolutely, never going to stop either
@@TheZillatattoosome people believe in superstition, nothing wrong with that. It’s like the superstition regarding the conference final trophies, listening to the same songs before a game, or eating the same food.
*0-7 with the patch
We are paying the price for messing with the most beautiful clean jersey in sports. 0-6 with the garage patch and 11 cups without it.
lmao, the harder the better!!! thanks for making me laugh during a dark time
C'mon, turn my crank, Wings.. Let's go!
What was with the odds for Buffalo? Sabres were Favorites before the line came out?
The Jan 31 Ottawa game has always stuck in the back of my mind. Wrapping up an awesome January, coming off 3 days off, and home game leading into all star break, and they go out and show no energy/passion and barely eke out a point. Big sign there’s still a lot that’s not right with this team.
Seeing them play the yotes tomorrow. There’s no way they can lose 7 in a row, right?
😬
Welp you have cursed the team now
They will lol.
Ouch 😭
As bad as December was, the longest losing streak they had was 4 games. This team is cooked. Season is over. They absolutely lost control of their destiny. The Islanders, Lightning, and Sabres have complete control of the Wings fate.
I vote this episode as Evan's best
This team does not hate to lose.
It's time to have the bould head coach talk. Defence system doesn't work, if there was one in the first place.
These are the results of a NON lottery team. They need about 2 or 3 great scoring forwards that only can be added in the draft.
Once Larkin nears 30 years old then what? The rebuild will have to be reset again finding a 1C.
We had to face the reality SY tried to jumpstart this rebuild with risky UFA signings the past 2 summers to put fans in the stands.
This roster is not built for longevity without more scoring threats.
I think larkin hits his ceiling at about 30-32 years old so if yzerman can get some true scoring talent in the next 4-5 years Larkin should still be relevant at least thats what im thinking
@@patrickgaughan1199 I think I understand SY since they cannot get lottery luck for top scoring forwards instead they will be focusing on building the D corps in successive drafts . Just look second round of the 2023 draft proves this idea as 2 defenders and a goalie instead of best forwards available Rehkopf, Sawchin, Heidt, or even Lind.
Passing on any of these forwards was a huge mystery.
Detroit needs a good locker room brawl. Get whatever it is out of their system. I think Uncle Fester lost the room. Gotta win these three home games
In the words of Tom Petty, Red Wings are Freefallin'
DET vs BUF was the worst game of the season! No motivation, poor passing, poor defense and I don't want to say that the goalkeepers were good in the game but in relation to the entire team they were the better players! The only players that showed me light on the horizon were: Raymond and Määttä (and I'm not a big fan of him)
I find myself in a mix of emotions and thoughts. On the one hand, I want SY to continue doing it, but he has to admit that he made a lot of bad signings.
And while we're already complaining and naming names, Copp, Holl, Fischer, Fabbri, Petry, Gosisbehere and Perron have to go (no contract extensions over 20 million would be available). I don't want to see these players on the team anymore! Too expensive, too ineffective, such players in the NHL are standard these days and can be found cheaper. I say this specifically so that we can and must bring in another top player. Someone who inspires the others in the team (mentally and physically).
Sure we need a goalkeeper and our defense needs to be revamped, but in my opinion we have major weaknesses in fielding two top lines (despite the young talent coming up). It sounds strange at first, but it is true!
The third and fourth lines will work well with the young talent and the remaining players
Lalonde also has to face criticism! At the beginning of the season he had strange lineups. But people have overlooked the fact that the formation of the team needs to be tried out. No system was ever recognizable! Until today! Our 4th line (Fabbri Fischer Copp) is currently the best paid in the NHL (over 10 million)
My ratings of the Red Wings weren't high, but I at least wanted them to make the playoffs!
There is still hope, but with every subsequent game like the last one against BUF, my hope loses more and more
Sorry gents, I can't watch red wings content with the current state of the team. Here's my comment/like to support. Cheers #LGRW
Appreciate you anyhow 🙏
Teams just going through the motions that's team leadership and coaching.
I am back in the yard destroying weeds with a pick axe taking out my frustration and disappointment
Need to try to get Dan Campbell to speak to the guys to pump everyone up!?! Hail Mary time! We have to get in the playoffs this year and resign Kane!!!!!
OHHHH WHOAAAA OHHH OHHH OHH :(
Bringing in a bunch of 30yr olds and thinking your rebuild is ahead of Buffalo is soooooo funny.
Once again, this is why I said they should have hired Tortorella when they had the chance. Lalonde is the least inspirational man behind the bench that we've had.
Lalond has to lay some heat down, bench a high profile player, lose his Sh*t, ANYTHING
Trust the Yzerplan!
The worst part is that this team has no path forward. So many bad contracts and no superstars in the system. The 5 year outlook is exactly what we see now, a bunch of second line/pair players and no elite talent. This rebuild is doomed.
Cap is going up 5 mil next season, should be another 6-7 mil in 2025. Those contracts aren't going to be much of a problem. If needed, they'll be easy buyouts with very minimal cap penalties.
Fire Lalonde. Hire Gallant or Larionov
Generally, I do not think Charot has had a great season despite what many have said. I think he shoots too much at ill advised situations and, just by throwing the puck at the net frequently, his counting statistics are up. His defense is still atrocious (reference Tuch's goal for an example). That being said, the primary assist on Charot's goal Tuesday was from Lucas Raymond. This makes me think the practice scrum was not personal and won't carry over as animosity between the two.
That pass back to Chia was a bad pass, wasn't the smart thing to do at all. Of course it caught him flat footed, that wasn't on him. Chia has been one of the better defenders we've had all year. Getting pucks to the net is what we need from the point. Chia is a decent skater, not the fastest, and his physicality is something that we don't have enough of. His defense has been pretty damn good, he plays his position well, but he's stuck with Petry and lately the forwards have been atrocious defensively, causing him to get burned. I'm sick of fans putting this on Chia when they're not looking at the whole play.
team of bums
Too many veterans, means too many cancers in the locker room. Y-man has outsmarted himself yet again...
It’s the patch
It's not the patch lol we hockey fans always point to the most absurd non factor reasons to justify our teams shitty play when in slumps. The team has no heart.
Not good😒
Fire Lalonde and hire anyone who has hair. I’m sick of these bald coaches
Winnipeg has the richest owner in the league BY FAR...
Gutless, uncompetitive, soft losers. That is this team, “led” by a take no accountability bum coach. It’s glaringly obvious they have no confidence right now as well. I resent this team for likely pushing Patrick Kane out of the organization.