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0:00:00 - Intro
0:08:27 - Origins
0:14:14 - Global
0:20:07 - Talk Show
0:26:13 - A Little Late
0:32:44 - Viral
0:39:18 - Negativity
0:48:48 - Renewal
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1:09:35 - Too Little, Too Late
1:15:58 - First Impressions
1:22:29 - A Little Taste
1:30:27 - Outro
CZcamsrs… Although there are certainly a lot of them to choose from, many would at least say the largest creators on the platform are comparable to the everyday Hollywood celebrity.
This seems increasingly accurate as the platform continues to manifest and evolve larger and larger channels, headed by figures who have become identifiable to even those without a passing interest in the video-hosting website. CZcams isn’t like mainstream media though, many figureheads are not handpicked, and many have much more centralised control of their content and their vision than certain personages who may be subject to studios and investors. For many, this is what makes CZcams such a good platform to launch one’s career, as success is almost exclusively decided by the audience who watch it. However, on the other hand, CZcams is still a very small tranche of media as a whole, and many who achieve the treasured status of mega-influencer often begin to look beyond the realms of the platform to further their career. In many ways this should be a recipe for success, the personal relationship that many creators produce with their channel often gives them a fanbase much more dedicated than that of the average celebutante. They’ve already crafted a multimillion subscriber channel from a very limited set of resources, imagine what they could do with the sort of financial backing that many of these large corporations can provide. Think of all the wondrous creations that could be brought into being…
It’s strange really, because in spite of the numerous attempts to bring popular CZcamsrs into the mainstream sphere, a proportionally low number have actually succeeded. There are a few large musicians and comedians who had their start on the video sharing platform, which makes sense in a way as they’re also occupations which can command an exceptionally dedicated fanbase, but besides this many creators trying to spread their wings have been met with limited prosperity outside of their comfort zone. Why is this often the case?
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*Reupload* Unfortunately due to a copyright dispute with NBCUniversal and some YT system bs (that I'm now wiser to), which started with a worldwide block, I've decided to reupload this one. Really sorry to do this to anyone who has notifications on, and for causing any confusion. Not sure why the copyright claim didn't appear before I uploaded as it wasn't a manual one, but that's CZcams for you.
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Damn that sucks. Sorry dude. Hopefully it'll get the same views as last time.
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We understand dude.
They got mad and copyright striked you?!
I'm really glad that instead of touching kids or scamming people she was just not that entertaining. A breath of fresh air in the current youtube ecosystem
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I mean she was racist which is pretty much the norm these days.
IKR 😅
I don’t remember her being racist
The bar is on the floor lol
You know what. At least Lilly didn’t commit the usual CZcams creator scandal of being creepy (or worse) towards children. Gotta hand it to her, it’s a lot better to go out on the basis of your talent not transferring well to another medium than on the basis of being a horrible person.
All aboard
The bar is set far too low.
Not as we know of...
@@alphakakcmeddlakadoofahkii3362 you can say that about literally anyone lol
@@samatar6852 Yup, but being a thing in Hollywood raises the likelihood of it
I’m guessing, since this is being reuploaded, Lilly Singh probably didn’t like being criticized and attempted to abuse the copyright system.
yeah, i was wondering why i got it in my front page as uploaded 12 minutes ago when i watched it last week...
@@RitzMalheurshe didn't even have a successful talk show that must not be named
If so, then that's some really thin skin (or she didn't actually watch it) because TRO's being really sympathetic towards her.
Pinned comment clarifies it was NBC taking action, not her
Likely just a flagging bot ran by the studio too, they probably don’t even know the video exists either
@@RitzMalheurThat's not how the system works at all.
I honestly think Lily could have been an actress in a sitcom (either for younger audiences like That's So Raven or older audiences like Friends) because she had a lot of personality, decent comedic timing, and spunk. The videos where she played characters showed she could do physical acting and theatrical comedic acting. I honestly think staring or co-staring in a sitcom would have suited her more than a talk show.
she’s in muppets mayhem on disney+ which is a sitcom of sorts and is actually pretty great in it i actually really enjoyed watching her performance in it maybe that’s just because the show is well written but i actually really liked her in that show and i hope she does more similar stuff because it clearly suits her much better than what she was doing before
as someone who's also a femme of color, i understand that lily's identity is very significant but it doesn't help any community when her identity becomes her whole personality
This!!!!
Same with LGBTQ and shit, but there you can't even call it out without being called all kinds of slurs..
It says a lot when despite watching a fair bit of highlights of her show I couldn't tell you a thing about her that wasn't based around her race/sexual identity. I want to see entertainers as people, not a checklist of physical traits.
this is the perfect take
there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being yourself and having your identity. but when you make something like your race, gender, sexuality etc the entirety of your personality it’s entirely deserved to criticize it.
this is the easiest take to have, and only obtains this amount of likes because it is incredible easy for cis/straight/white people to take a hold of because people being loud about who they are makes them uncomfortable. It is truly saddening how being proud is still something many people, even of their own kind find frightening.
the basis of your entire comment is something that takes up maybe five minutes of this video too, and yet it is all you found the need to comment on, genuinely bewildering
you don't have to ask me again to watch it again, i like your docs cause they're really nice for when i want to just not think and listen for an hour+ LOL
same. i have them as background when playing games sometimes. Its like a bbc documentary but youtube
Dude it's so obvious you just want to flex the fact that you saw this before it was taken down. Embarrassing.
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.94Challenge accepted.
@@astrida111 Weird flex but ok
@@astrida111 you being so triggered about a comment is even more embarrassing lmao
Yes, I've always felt that she ended up centering whiteness in her show rather than celebrating her own heritage. Talking about how not white and not male you are is centering whiteness and maleness in the conversation.
Right. That's because she opted to abandon her own heritage.
How have you mentally ill leftists turned anti white rhetoric into somehow here centering whiteness? she was centering her own identity through hate, she just failed.
@@tracyrobison5104 nah she is quite in touch with her heritage
@@shawnthomas6492 I can't imagine her being in touch with her heritage and making this much a fool of herself just to be seen.
@@shawnthomas6492that speaks very poorly on her heritage.
Reposting my comment from the original:
As a Punjabi-Canadian who grew up with her content but outgrew the humour, I've been following commentary/critique videos made about her talk show. This is, by far, the most comprehensive and thoughtful video on the matter. Everyone I've seen criticizing the show were non-Indians who only saw it as cringe CZcamsr humour (which is true, to a degree, but there is more to talk about here). This TRO video took into account absolutely everything - the intended audience, the fact that those critiquing the talk show were not the intended audience but the humour in the show became repetitive and fell flat for the intended audience regardless, that the way the show came across made it seem as though it was intended for a white guilt audience. The other videos I've seen critiquing her show were really just calling the humour cringe and repetitive, which doesn't actually touch on or critique anything. Of course the humour is cringe. Lilly's humour is cringe. Her fanbase engages with it and she's a millennial. That's what's going to be in her show. But, at least at the beginning, it did also seem as though it was a team of writers that knew nothing about her other than her identity on the surface level. It seems like when she had the reigns, she did more interesting things than the writers knew to do.
This this this!!! No notes, I agree with it all.
Thoughtful comments, as a millennial I laughed at “of course she’s cringe… she’s a millennial” lmao
@@deadmanj9279 Haha! Great to hear! I was a bit worried about that part because I know the whole generational beef thing is crazy right now - but I said it as someone who was fully invested in the 2014-2016 era of her comedy, right at the peak of it!
@@wirelessdirk LOL thanks! Haha I actually am a writer - saw this reply while working on an article.
@@honeygcha I think it’s good for millennials, and every generation, to recognize their cringe elements lol. I have plenty of stuff to point out and make fun of among zoomers, but we also have super lame trends/qualities/etc.
I was subscribed to her a long time ago. Then she went mainstream and basically ignored her CZcams channel. Which was a very bad move, given that almost none of her core audience watched TV. I pretty much just forgot she existed really.
Yup
@@whatismyname5206 It wouldn't have been so bad if her talk show was published on CZcams. Like other late night talk shows. But if I remember correctly, it wasn't. Which means to her CZcams audience, she just dropped off the face of the Earth. And I think this was before notifications. So no one noticed.
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@@gigger6141 Nah.
I think part of Lily's problem was leaning so hard on her identity for her humor -- it's not that it can't be funny, or even that she was never funny doing it, but her delivery didn't so much invite you to laugh with her as much as it challenged you to laugh with her, and late night viewers don't want to be challenged. I know at 1am I'm usually not in the mood to check my privilege.
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My only encounter with her was as a character in the show doll face, and she was actually pretty good in the role I had no idea it was lily Singh. I think she probably could have a decent careers as a voice and character actor
i hadn't followed her for YEARS then i randomly binged that show one day and was shocked when she appeared. her love interest was Shay Mitchells character though and theyre quite good friends from Shay's PLL days so wasnt too surprised by it
The bar is this low now 😂
Okay fine, I’ll watch it again
I remember watching that first episode. She started off with her 'joke' about white people not being used to seeing someone of color on their television as if it was the 1950s. How old did she think her audience was? 80? 90?
Gone With The Wind: exists
@@robertbeisert3315 And racist
Yeah, after the Obama presidency!
@thedualtransition6070 People love bringing up the Obama presidency as some sort of post racial reckoning but, as you can see from the George Floyd tragedy, the US is not past race and Obama presidency did nothing to change that 🤷🏽♀️
@@athenawolf4467well yes, emphasizing racial differences is a very useful tool for the establishment (both sides) to keep us divided. Being able to look past skin color and see one another as united in our humanity (as it used to be up until the Occupy movement, far more than now) was dangerous to those in power. We outnumber them vastly, so they keep us distracted and fighting amongst ourselves with these hyped up culture wars
"I'm a bi woman of color. And also I'm a bi woman of color. Did I mention I'm a bi woman of color? Because I'm a bi woman of color. And that's why people hate me, because I'm a bi woman of color."
Exactly like WTF we get it, no one cares! 😂
It's so cringe that people wrote into the script for her to say that so often. I wonder who wrote it and what demographic they were in lol
That was her whole personality.
@@ImAtYourMumsHouse I would assume they were either black, a woman, bisexual, or maybe even all 3🤔
@@MasteRgamer-mk5bp I wasn't insinuating that, I'd genuinely be interested to know. The disingenuous nature of it makes me think it could be different to what you thought
I don't know Lilly's content but from what I could tell she was already successful before her talk show. I don't look down on her for wanting more, but I feel like sometimes youtubers don't count their success on YT as a "real" success. Which makes me kinda sad. It's hard to find success on YT, I'd say any success is on YT is phenomenal.
I got the impression that it was a goal of hers rather than "wanting more" specifically. But I'm not going off of much here
@annaairahala9462 genuine question: what's the difference between wanting more and that being a goal? (I am genuinely asking sorry if this comes off aggressive)
@@kingintern7566 I was thinking a goal is something I'd say someone is working towards and is somewhere on the path of getting to, whereas "wanting more" makes it sound like they are going for it solely because it's something "more" or based off of what they've achieved so far. But now that I think about it I don't know if I'd even agree with myself or if it's valid to even separate them like this lol
@@annaairahala9462I think you're right, she's not necessarily greedy, but mostly it was during the period of time when youtubers would want to eventually move towards something more stable and break into the TV/movie audience as compared to the conventional route of starting as a child in a network like disney channel or something.
@@kingintern7566
In the 16 years I've been on CZcams it's never been seen as "real success." I guess it's because everyone assumes that all CZcamsrs are v-loggers which aren't that hard to make. They forget the aspiring film makers, documentarians, game developers, and animators. But that's easy to overlook since the prominent CZcams content are v-loggers.
She had so much potential. I see how influential and funny Dutch, female comedians are. She could have been that too. Just not as a talkshow host. I never saw Lilly as a talkshow host at all. And not for an 'adult' audience.
Dutch female comedians, you mean brigitte kaandorp and Claudia de Breij? ( i love her oudejaarsconference) but yeah i dont really see them doing talkshows
Surely you don’t mean Jinek?
Yesss! Their humor and stories make me and my mom laugh so much@@x103femke
@@lukaseldenrust2637 Jinek is not a comedian to my knowledge, she came from NOS then had her talkshows
@@x103femke I mentioned her as she is the only Dutch female who has a late night talkshow as far as I know
The only thing I remember is her constantly opening up saying she's a bisexual woman of color, Like we get it lol
She’s what happens when you give the stereotypical Tumblr user a show.
@@TheDigitalAppleSeriously! I get vibes of ‘Stereotypical millennial TikToker who actually just wishes Vine would come back’
There are remarkably few ways that declaring your identity can improve a joke.
And Rodney Dangerfield did almost all of them.
Like honestly, at first I was like “oh cool! And influencer who’s like me and I can relate to her stories!” But after the second or third time of her ‘opening up’ about being an lgbtq+ person of colour I was kind of fed up with her
I am seriously considering introducing myself as a "heterosexual man of whiteness" every opportunity I get from now on
she’s never been nor is my type of humour, but she genuinely seems like she puts in the work + hustle of it all. I reckon most of us could only wish that we could gain even just half of the notoriety and success that she achieved.
The fact that you went out of your way to comment such a kind and thoughtful opinion about her despite not even being in her target audience range is so sweet
@@pandawan4its not sweet, its called having base analysing skills
which is not common lol@@ghoost4308
She wanted instant results, without the actual grind. She's a victim, please do not get it twisted.
I'm probably not her target audience either, because I'm a straight white woman old enough to be her mother. But I was really disappointed that her TV show didn't do better, because I think a lot of her CZcams stuff has been pretty good, and she's clearly very smart and talented. I guess it was just the wrong time and the wrong format for her.
The copyright strike sucks big time, loved the video. Keep up the great work!
I had this one in my watch later list, and here it is again.
Favoritism clearly knows its path to those who are loyal.
This is honestly the most good faith criticism of her I've seen. Not that there wasn't others in good faith, it's just that the ones I've seen weren't as kind as this one. I don't know why it was reuploaded, but whatever the reason was probably undeserved on the channel's part.
I’ll rewatch this for you King
As an old fan of Lilly, I can look back at her old stuff fondly, but idk, right around the time I stopped watching her, it just started to feel fake to me. What really made me quit was during one of her 12 days of Christmas series where she had posted a separate video about taking care of her mental health (which she had done often and I fully support) what I don’t support though was the next video in her series was an ad to buy her merch. Idk, it didn’t sit right with me. I know that these were scheduled, but it feels disingenuous for her to do that, like, at least push it back a video, that wouldn't have been so bad. But anyway, sorry for rambling, I just feel that somewhere, someway fame ruined her sense of humour and genuine care for people and even herself
I agree. I stopped watching her around the time she started doing a bunch of celebrity collaborations, which is fine- but I noticed her videos weren’t silly/funny/relatable like they used to be. It seemed like she was just trying to align herself with A listers to reach their level. I even used to watch her vlogs sometimes, and I got super creeped out when she showed a video of herself making out with someone to her parents to shock them. All that rubbed me the wrong way and I just lost interest in her.
@kristina1097 I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw stuff like that and her vlogs were another thing that made me question a lot too, yeah, it's just weird thinking back on it now
More than fame it could be overbearing ambition. Humor tends to fade when someone is willing to put everything on the line in favour of advancement. Advancement that wasn't needed, I really doubt Youube wasn't paying her livelihood.
The problem I see is that she took the show as a sign that she was better than her audience.
When her audience was bigger on YT than any on television since I was a kid.
I've seen almost every commentary video on Lilly Sigh and this has been the most genuine, kind, and thoughtful yet. Thank you TRO.
"Guys, I'm BROWN, and a GIRL! I mean, have you ever seen such a thing? I am a BROWN GIRL, haha, I'm also bisexual! Did I mention I am a girl, who's BROWN? Take that, white men!" Gee I wonder why this show didn't take off
And the Velma writers learned nothing. And Marvel learned nothing. And the Wednesday writers learned nothing.
This comment section is a testament for how low the bar really is. Everyone seems to be happy and congratulating her for what she hasn't done??
Now we are just gonna give people props for not hurting anyone? I'M CONFUSED
A brief reprieve?
Breathe of fresh air?
VENTING??
I think most people are just being cynical with how many older youtubers have turned out to be terrible, no one is geneuinely praising her for basic human decency.
@@luffypilled THIS
People seem very very mild compared to 98% of the comments on other videos.
At the end, she's just another professional victim.
Thank you for uploading right when I take my lunch break, you're a real one
And I just got off a 7 hour class. He really knows the perfect times to upload
Just as good as the first time, fantastic as always. 10 out of 10 a banger.
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.94your mom
Are you talking about sex? Or bacon? Maybe a rollercoaster?
This is a pretty interesting case study of a CZcamsr going to mainstream media (and then bounding back). Thanks for looking at this in such a straightforward manner!
Commenting cuz this got reuloaded.
I really enjoyed Lilly or Superwoman when I was 15. Her open talk about girl problems and her bits with her acting as her parents, I really enjoyed!
_Siiiigh, Reuploads are normally fine, _*_but this is TRO!_*_ you don't just do that to a man this dedicated, _*_Hour + vids are his norm and theres only so many hours in a day!_*
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I appreciate your approach of how settling into a late night show/any series might take a while, and at the end of the day she was still finding her stride. The digital age has expedited the pacr of consumption and judgement to an extent that the format associated with classic late-night high production no longer has time to find its niche. I feel that a lot of videos covering Lily's show were so immediately negative as she tread into uncertain waters. As much as people might meme about it, I can see where her stepping into this arena was a gargantuan task. At the end of the day she'd be asked to either present a disingenuous, politically neutral show host persona because everything coming out of her mouth as a bi woman of color is being scrutinized. There is a level of nuance associated with proper judgement of the show--she did want to stand her ground in her identity (as she should) rather than conform to a more "jimmy" type mold. It's a shame the circumstances didn't have more grace, but she seems to have taken it in stride and, as a casual viewer, I'm curious to see what happens next and wish her all the best.
Am I the only one who thought this whole time her channel's audience were children or desi uncles and aunties aka clearly not the demographic who watches late night U.S. talk shows? I don't know how no one from NBC or her team anticipated EXACTLY what happened. I checked out clips from her show and they weren't any cringier than the humor on her channel. The only difference is the difference, incompatible audience.
I feel kinda sad for Lily. She's really not the worst thing that's happened to tv like sooooo many commentary channels would have you believe. Thanks for calling them out.
And thank you for making such a fair and comprehensive video! I want to get around to checking out her show now. Even though it's after the fact, i kinda think that maybe it'll be funny because i haven't been drowning myself in identity political for almost a year now (it's been really refreshing actually! Can reccomend y'all)
I wasn't a fan of her but i do remember stumbling accross a few of her videos and enjoying them. Shame it ended like this
If she had even a modicum of humility (and for what it’s worth… humour), I feel like she could have actually been a little bit more successful 🤷🏻♂️
Like that whole joke when the guy was like “Do you think you’ll be okay doing this without an audience?”, and she just replies “Uhhh… yeah… I did start on CZcams you know” or whatever she said, could have actually been a funny joke if she hadn’t done her cliche ‘I take offence to everything a white guy says’ schtick, and I know humility is kind of the wrong word for this example lol, but just jokingly had a little arrogance and been like ‘Well, I think I did alright on CZcams, so I was MADE for this shi… oh yeah, you can’t swear on broadcast television can you… I mean I’M _GOOOOOD_ BABY!! 😎’ or ANYTHING along those lines, and she could at the very least have been just knocking on the door of actually being funny 🤷🏻♂️
Lilly's biggest issue is that she was a one trick pony. Hearing she was a POC and a lesbian was a meme for like a year and a half then became pointless arguing with her critics. There was no substance or value with her compared to other late night comics and hosts.
Lily was the first person I ever enjoyed watching on CZcams, her “brown girl” sketches were the only ones I could relate to (not being from the us). I kept being her biggest fan up until around the time the first season came out. Amongst the internets reaction, her awful response to the response and then COVID, I fell off. This really made me want to revisit the absolute harmless cringe of it all and give season two of a little late a chance, it looks like something that I would actually enjoy (also I just want to get the bad taste season 1 left out of my mouth so I can just nostalgically remember superwoman in the future)
Glad this didn't end with her turning out to be an awful person. Best of luck to ya, Lilly.
Got the ping, came back with snacks & drinks , clicked on the video and of course its over an hour long. I'm all in. Thank u, TRO & the talented editors
I wonder if a copyright claim caused this to be reuploaded
edit: just read the pinned comment. late night shows on youtube are such a plague
When you see real talent, charisma, comic timing - repertoire - patter. When you see humility. Someone confident and comfortable in their craft because they've worked hard at it. Grafted. You realise how talented those people truly are. Seeing someone trying to fake it til they make it shows just how accomplished successful performers are. I don't see it in Lily. And that has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity or gender. She seemed to rely solely on hype, fanfare and an identity the world NEEDED in that moment. But the substance underneath lacked, sorely. As for legacy, longevity, impact, forget it. Utterly, utterly forgettable in the grand scheme of entertainment.
For some set-up:
As it applies to the culture of the United States the only thing about me as an individual that isn't exploited and marginalized is that I am white. Even then I come primarily from the "lower tiers" of white ethnicity (Irish and Italian on one side, Scottish on the other). I am a trans woman, I come from abject poverty, I suffer mental illness and a learning disability, and I am not heterosexual either. I have largely always leaned left politically and am not religious despite growing up in a highly religious and right wing area.
The trouble with Lilly is that even to people like me her delivery did not come off as enlightened nor edifying for the viewer, it simply came off as condescending and hateful towards white people. It still does on revisit, truthfully. People such as myself should have been won over by her not spurned. It stuck, as you say, with those of us to whom it was her first impression made.
Sorry that you had to go through such trouble, I'll definitely rewarch and comment for performance though!
I know this is a re-upload but what happened with the original?
@@breel75check the pinned comment :) TRO explains
I think one of the final points that CZcams and Late Night could have a future is absolutely true! Recently, the Try Guys channel did an event where one of their members, Keith, hosted an episode of his very own Late Night show as a surprise gift. It was just the one, but Keith slipped into the role so naturally despite being totally unprepared. I found the episode to be a lot of fun and worth my time, even though I don't typically enjoy Late Night shows. There are plenty of people like Keith who could slip into those roles really well. The producers just need to really take a look at the current culture in a genuine way, or they need to add fresh young talents who know the age of the internet to their ranks. It's a shame Lily Singh's show didn't last, she really hit her stride, but I hope her time on air serves as an inspiration and a lesson to any future talk show hosts- the key to it is being authentic and playing to your strengths.
im gonna have to pretend i haven't seen this
Sucks about the copyright dispute but I'll happily watch it again
Lost potential? To lose something it has to exist first
Loved it then and loved it now how you point out her comedy of poking fun at white ppl kind of reinforces their learned helplessness of not knowing other cultures. Like she could’ve been actually sharing cool things from her culture but it was always “hehe white ppl” (also I’ve seen ppl execute those kinds of jokes much funnier than she could)
Yeah it very much only gives fuel to bigots and racists, fostering a kind of underlying hostility that sort of negative culture thrives on. There are plenty of ways to poke fun at white people being culturally insulated while also showing them the cool and relatable things other groups/cultures have to offer and are relatable.
As a white person, I feel like one of the barriers to real connection across races is the fear (for all people, not just whites) of being put on the chopping block for all to see, no one likes being embarrassed. When someone's identity is perceived as attacked, they will personally defend it, reinforcing prejudice, creating fear of even engaging with others and digging a wider gap than we already have. We need dialogue, not dissing (of course there will always be fragile white people who perceive any comment of whiteness as an insult, they need to fix their own problems first). There are plenty of great comedians, skits and jokes that make fun of white people which I think are funny, Race-based comedy isn't inherently bad if done well.
You are just a self hating white person, you'll never be like them regardless of how much you try 🤣@@delusion5867
Pro tip: Don't have a last name of Sings or Singh on the internet
Thanks for re-uploading this fantastic video.
She said that everyone who looks like her is still waiting outside in the cold. Excuse me but many Indian (or of Indian descent) wealthy executives lead (currently or formerly) many companies! We have one right now running for president on the Republican ticket. A quick Google search gives me a few companies: Alphabet, World Bank Group, Adobe, Tesla, Twitter, CZcams, IBM, Microsoft, Chanel, OnlyFans, Mastercard, PepsiCo, etc.
I watched this in its first iteration, so I'm commenting to support this reupload: this was very insightful, thank you for always being fair to the people you discuss!
Only time I’ve ever found her palatable - and clearly a talent - is as the lead character in ‘The Muppets: Mayhem’ Disney+ show. When written and directed by someone else, her natural comedic timing and acting chops shine. Basically, Lilly needs to step back from beating a creator and instead be an actor guided by directors and writers who can tap into her talents.
Definitely, and even though they're very different people, I feel the same about Seth MacFarlane
It's a huge relief to find criticism about Lilly Singh that isn't coming from a place of bad faith. I never watched Lilly's videos (I was never into skits), but I was always very skeptical of people who would roast her for being "cringe" and just leave it at that. I certainly didn't care for the criticism that took on a more "political" (read: anti-'woke') angle. People find value in what others might find cringey. As far as I'm concerned, the cringe was mostly harmless, so the hate against her just seemed like a really misinformed dog pile.
Ultimately, I agree with your observation that Lilly's audience simply grew out of her content and migrated to different platforms like Tik Tok. As a fellow millennial, I remember when skits and, sadly, prank channels were huge on early CZcams. I could see how Lilly thrived in this environment. However, her humor is very aged now. Humor on CZcams has shifted to smash cuts, memes, and abstract Zoomer doomerism. Relatable skits have been replaced by commentary channels that make tireless references to up-to-date pop cultural events. This isn't a terrible shift, but it's a shift nonetheless, and I just don't think Lilly can authentically reflect this in her own content without it being clearly forced.
I hope that, wherever she ends up next, she finds success. She seems to be genuinely talented and fun-loving, like the sort of person you'd want to have drinks with. Thanks for clearing up the controversy surrounding Lilly and having the open mind to engage with her work and also provide us with voices from all sides of the debate. Your thorough investigations are always deeply appreciated.
....if you watched her shit you'd know what the people saying cringe are talking about...
She complained that she got little in budgeting and staff but doesn’t she realize it’s because she’s an unknown personality when it comes to television? The network was taking a gamble & didn’t know how she was going to turn out. When HBO funds all the wacky skits that John Oliver does on his show, they know they’re going to get their money back on that investment. She’s not Leno, Maher, Letterman, etc to expect the big money.
That first sentence describes the level of entitlement that ultimately butchered her run in show business. That’s what happens when hollywood cast “influencers” and internet names who think being a comedian is reminding people about your race every 5 seconds. When you cast someone with next to no substance about their work and relies on virtue signaling to get popular, then expect your audience to tune out because nobody cares about their problems.
The amount of people who would’ve dive for an opportunity like the one she’s got, who have ACTUAL talent is huge, and just shows she was just another one of those hacks that got so far because of her follower count.
Fantastic, fair, insightful, thorough, and thoughtful as always, TRO! You’re the best of the best, I truly mean it. If I had such a fair and thoughtful critique of my life this far, I’d honestly be grateful and feel really “seen”. It would be like the best way to figure out how to improve myself moving forward! You kept it very professional, and never once got close to mean spirited. Thank you for all the hard work you do!
Online content creation and Mainstream content creation don't mix
Comment for the algorithm! I enjoyed this video before it got taken down, but you still deserve the little I can give. Keep up the great work 👍🏼
In order to have lost potential, don't you first need to have potential?
Out of sheer curiosity I just went to her YT channel and she had uploaded a recent life update and as I was just skimming through parts, it wasn't long before I heard the same humble bragging as she's always mentioned about how successful she has been and I rolled my eyes and clicked off. I understand people's disliking toward her, it's not that she's a bad person but her arrogance is undeniable and frankly off putting. If anything she should realise she would be nowhere if it was not for the general public yet instead of taking a bite of that humble pie and perhaps recalibrating and refocusing to improve her shortcomings, she continues the self praise.
This is the only analysis made by someone who wasn’t and never will be her target audience actually realizing that and taking that into consideration when analyzing the reasons for her failure. All the others (esp the white creators) failed to recognize that. I do also imagine there was a lot of pressure for her to be the perfect rep for the communities she represents + CZcams, so many stereotypes and prejudices she has to go up against as she was the only one, Mindy Kaling faces smth similar too. In a way it’s nice that she was also allowed to fail, bc minorities shouldn’t have to hit the ball out of the park the first opportunity they get, they should be allowed to fail.
Bro, I got the notification and thought ''Oh, how coincidental, I JUST watched a yt docu on Lilly! Well, might as well watch this one too!''
It took me 30 full minutes to realise that this felt a little too similar... smfh
Anyway, great vid!
Love being this early to a TRO video.. I needed this!
Edit: knew this seemed familiar 😂 I'm still rewatching in its entirety at work ❤
Got caught slipping
On CZcams, she had billions of native Indians potentially following her routine.
On primetime... Or 1:30am time slot, she had only the American audiences supporting her.
What's a population of 3 billion to 300 million?
Commenting for algorithm, I watched it a few minutes after it was first uploaded and it was great!! Good luck!
"It's a sin to encourage mediocre talent." - Mitzi Shore
Just wanted to say I'm happy for you man! Glad to see your channel killing it
I've seen this before. But i dont mind rewatching this great work with a rewatch boost. Thanks for reuploading
Disappointed that the original upload was struck, but I will happily watch it again as I struggle to get back to sleep at 3am :’) thanks to TRO and the editors for the A+ content, per usual ❤
Same!
I rewatch so much/many of these I thought it was a new one instead of a ReUp!
XD
I've never heard of Lilly Singh until around COVID/2020. I don't really like her style of comedy, as evident from this video and TRO's explanation, but at least she tried going big. I don't think it's an easy transition going from YT to general, wider media or different careers. Hope she gets better projects. And plus, as some other users pointed out, she's never committed or alleged to an actual crime. No grooming, sexual assault, or grifting. Just tried and failed a different career.
Thank you, Editor Lanbob, for my favorite segment in the video. Very creative use of New Vegas's pipboy ui!
This is such a kind critique/analysis of someone. I really appreciate this. And especially with you not really being a fan, hats off to you bro
woah wasn’t expecting swell entertainment in the right opinion. two of my favorites
Tbh, she seemed much more herself in season 2 when they stopped putting her in formal wear to try to merge her personality and style with the existing mold of late night hosts in black suits
TRO is doing well with his vids and been enjoying them since I subscribed 4 to 5 yrs ago and the content has gotten even better and I enjoy the long very in depth vids that are made.
44:47 OMG SWELL ENTERTAINMENT CAMEO (i was hoping she would show up)
I was worried about this being overly negative, but instead it's a good assessment of the situation. Great video!
I'm a simple man, I see a TRO video, I watch it 👍🏼
Sorry that you had to reupload! Fantastic vid as usual
Commenting for engagement 💖 a lovely video TRO
Thoughtful and informative as always 👑
I just I'll just watch it again 😂 full support TRO❤
Didn’t watch this the first time as lily singh hasn’t been relevant since I was like 14 but seeing you had to reupload means it’s time to hand over my view 🤚
First time hearing of her or her talk show. Really great & comprehensive video, per usual.
My goodness I was thinking I had time traveled as you aren’t the only reupload today. Now I gotta watch at least 5 minutes and like and comment twice to boost the algorithm but dag nab it I don’t think I can make it through all of it twice
I miss the girl with the hat😅
However as some people rightfully said, maby she milkt the "brown girl" thing tho much.
It became stail.
I dont think she is any less privilege then any other American girl.
It tends to be cringe when rich famous beautiful people can't stop talking about "white privilege". As a white guy with a G.E.D. that has gotten me zero jobs, I can say with 100% certainty that she's more privileged than me personally.
That list of an older CZcams rewind is a trip in itself. Now I have a need to look up one of the channels because they disappeared and I’m curious what happened.
The section at 1:09:35 was edited brilliantly. I didn't expect to see a New Vegas reference here! I hope to see that style/editor on your channel again!
I love your videos, glad your back.
Please bring back Primink 😢
What’s that
He wish he would come back with the milk... 😢
LoL he doesn’t even upload on his own channel
@@rosabscura TRO is hiding him somewhere 😭
You can’t fake a good personality.
For the sake of the quality of your content, I will rewatch this as support with pleasure
the first sponsership i havent skipped in months. THAT WAS SO AMAZINGGGG THE BEST IVE SEEN
I smoked so much weed I had to check the comments to make sure that this is a reupload😅
Yeah, I’ll rewatch this in its entirety idc
oh, a reupload? excellent time for me to watch the whole thing again :D
Love this video, even the second time! 🥰