The Remains of Ruby Franke - The End of 8 Passengers | TRO
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- The Remains of Ruby Franke - The End of 8 Passengers | TRO
Intro - 00:00
Family Values - 06:03
Tough Love - 13:04
Making A Bed - 19:36
Lying In It - 26:32
Decline - 34:01
A Separation - 40:28
Spiral - 47:47
Arrest - 56:02
Shadow - 1:02:27
Therapy-Speak - 1:09:47
Connections - 1:16:09
Distortion - 1:23:39
Already Gone - 1:30:07
Remains - 1:36:26
Outro - 1:42:15
Family channels, they still haven’t won me over yet.
Whether it’s the ACE Family’s exploitation of influencer status, the Stauffers’ false enchantment surrounding adoption, or Ned Fulmer’s facade of faithfulness, there is a sense that the presence of cameras can corrupt one’s perceptions of what a family means, and the honesty and values that would typically be shared behind closed doors. The only value that such channels will offer is as a guide to parents and soon-to-be parents who want to be the best they can be, sometimes as a template on how to practise parenting, and sometimes as a template on how not to. You’d still be within your rights to ask the question whether this trade off is worth it for the broadcast of what is a very personal attachment during formative years, and if it would actually be more effective to seek guidance from professionals in the field, but if family channels are here to stay, let’s hope they can provide some instruction for the next generation of parents.
The truth is though, that most channels in the genre are disinterested in serving that purpose, they’re more there to entertain audience members, and although some may try to defend certain videos as edutainment, a lot of modern family channels just take a rather generic formula in content creation, and add children. With that said, there are exceptions to this rule, couples and channels who do promote navigating challenges within their families, and either provide advice, or insight into how certain issues are resolved. Of course, there is no one size fits all manual on how to properly parent, and over the past century, the prevailing wisdom on how best to instil clear morals and values into the youth of today has evolved significantly, alongside our own morals and values, with many families from all around world moving towards more moderate blueprints on discipline from within the family. This has received broad support from paediatric psychologists, although it has still been met with some resistance from people who feel that the traditional model worked on a practical basis for them, and therefore there’s no reason for why they should deviate from that. With the opportunity for families from all backgrounds to broadcast themselves online, you’re inevitably going to experience a wide pool of parenting techniques, some of which may lean more towards the traditional methods that resonate with a cohort of the population.
At the same time, traditional parenting is a system that has needed to evolve as well, particularly given how certain aspects of that system, including physical reprimand, is now widely reviled and considered outdated. It’s uncertain therefore, whether it’s more fitting or ironic, that one of the most progressive places to video-share has become a bastion for people promoting more traditional parenting styles. Especially with the common narrative that today’s youth are out of control.
The truth is that ultimately, regardless of what an expert might say, everyone is always going to have their own ideas of how to do something, and without the constraints of network approval or peer-reviews, parents are free to share their own techniques on CZcams, but what does the modern form of traditional parenting look like? Well, for a few years towards the end of the 2010s, one individual thought she had it down to a T.
So let’s head on down to the wonderful state of Utah, to a mother of six and content creator by the name of Ruby Franke.
EDITING CREDITS/REFERENCES BELOW: Update: Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt have been sentenced to four consecutive terms of 1-15 years each, with a maximum sentence of 30 years due to state law: www.nbcnews.com/news/ruby-franke-sentenced-child-abuse-case-rcna134333
Jodi Hildebrandt reading material below (she has pled guilty as well): With the pleas Ruby is expected to serve at least 4 years (1 year for each count served consecutively), this is technically guaranteed, the potential of her walking out of court is next to nothing now, and she will not be needed to testify (although I never trust the courts until the sentence is passed down). With the case continuing to develop this may or may not change. Thanks to @Trikucian for drawing my attention to this.
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Maximum is 30 years... I truly hope they get maximum but I will settle for at least 10-20.... It will be appalling if they just get the minimum.
The dad is getting away with his own involvement and it’s sickening. I don’t understand how they can just let him off like this.
It’s Utah. (Not that other places are better, Utah is just transparent about it.) A lot of people are surprised they got her at all.
They go after a sure thing. They caught Ruby and Jodi dead to rights, cops saw the conditions all for themselves, but the father, at worst he was complicit at the least he was complacent in both cases he has enough deniability to go "It was all Ruby. I regret leaving the kids with her when I left but what could I do? The courts weren't going to side with me and grant me custody."
Once they have enough they could go for him.
@@LadyBern He's literally on video participating in abuse long before Jodi entered the picture.
@@biguattipoptropica I live in Utah, still don’t get why he’s getting away with it.
@@wmdkitty a lot of it involves plausible deniability. Theres Reports of Lunch Withheld, they mention having Chad sleep in the living room, but thats it. If there was footage of Kevin hitting the Kids, that would hr different. But all of this can be chalked up to strict parenting from a court perspective. A Storytime Video is NOT evidence, He could just Claim a Statement was exaggerated. What they need is cold, hard evidence. And, while i would class their behaviour pre-jodi as abuse, it is nowhere NEAR as Bad as what IT ended Up being.
Thats why they Go after rubi but leave Kevin alone for now. Going after Kevin will involves the Kids Statements, they need the Kids to cooperate to get him to get proper evidence. Rubi... Well, the duct Tape speaks for itself
Her "fire" analogy literally made my jaw drop. Like she literally just admitted to beating her kids because disobedience (to her) is on the same level as death. Not an ounce of shame or hesitation, just full confidence and belief.
It very much sounded cultish. Like "I'm torturing you to save you from yourself" something you hear in EVERY documentary about cults that involved mental/physical abuse.
What happened to teaching stop, drop and roll to put a fire out?
She instead is push down, beat someone with a blanket and tell them " no dear hold still"
to be fair, mormonism, the religion she's in, is literally a cult masking themselves as a lighthearted version of christianity.
That’s because she is a member of the cult of Mormons, and they advocate for this behavior.
I also got the impression she was talking about a kid coming out as part of the LGBTQA+
specifiably when she mentions the hypothetical being happy that the kid trusted and felt safe telling her that.
Like that is the language good parents use if their child comes out to them
@@angrybidoof847 shes definitely alluding to her own homophobia if the clip about chick fil a is anything to go by
the "Hold still- I'm getting the fire out" clip is so cursed because its 100% a Freudian slip.
A normal, regular person would say I'm "putting the fire out" to that weird, "beat your kids to save them" analogy, but she specifically says "getting the fire out"- not saving them or helping, them, but squashing/removing something she viewed as "inside" the kids. what the fire was to her could be anything- disobedience, that wacky "distortion" bs, some concept of "sin", but the overall message, even if she didn't mean it, was "I'm going to beat you to correct something I think is wrong with you- not what you did, but what you are."
It's such a cartoonishly evil thing to say too. Like, if you basically played that clip in its entirety in a movie about abusive parents, people would be like "all right that's a bit much. Maybe be a bit more subtle".
It requires an astounding lack of self-awareness to not realize how evil that sounds.
Yeah I thought the same thing when I heard that - you know that in her head she was saying “I’m getting the devil out”
@@littlegreencap28that is probably EXACTLY what she wanted to say, for real
Jodi runs a straight-up cult. She sets huge expectations and hurdles for the victims, measured by arbitrary nonsense (“distortion”). She sets herself as an authority figure and devoid of/able to see through the “distortion,” and preys upon the insecure and gullible. Ruby was just a huge mark for her. She was either getting money, pleasure, or both from instructing Ruby to do that horrific shit to her children.
Spot on! I was raised conservative Christian (albeit not THIS level of conservative Christian!) and the way people in my family talked about disciplining their kids was so similar to this. Creepy.
Ruby’s smile when her son mentions he hasn’t had a bed is sickening. Like she’s amused by abusing her child.
this is super common with abusive parents too. they laugh about it because they don't think what they're doing is bad, kids laugh with them because they don't realize what they're going through. it was the same with me and my mom, every time she talked to other people about beating me she would laugh, I'd laugh too, but I still flinch when she gets close to me, even now that I'm 23.
@@daibasta47these type of abusive parents boast about hitting their kids and doing all sorts of evil shit, because they want validation from others. ive seen it way too many times, my mother would bring up something she's done to me to anyone that would listen, and they would either whole heartedly agree with her, or feel uncomfortable and disengage. either responses fed her ego and reaffirmed her that she is "doing the best she can", and that no one can fault her.
im so sorry you still have to deal with ur mom, hope you're doing ok
@@flynnlui7220 I never thought about it this way, it makes so much sense. It also makes the Ruby Franke case even more disturbing, so many parents probably found the validation they were looking for in her content.
I'm doing pretty good and my relationship with my mom is actually ok now, but solely because I want to keep the peace.
Hope you're doing ok too, us abused kids need to stick together. Sending hugs.
Don't worry, she said she wasn't doing it for fun.
Jodi instructed her to do this btw
Wilderness therapy is bad enough; but wilderness therapy in Arizona, the 120 degree hellhole with javelinas, about a dozen rattlesnake species, way too many scorpions for my liking, and the largest cacti in the world? That’s downright barbaric.
As someone from AZ I was horrified to find our it was located here that's just downright asking for deaths
I hear the cacti are especially aggressive
For a moment, I misread that as biggest Cat in the world and I got confused
I know there’s Cougars and Jaguars (one or two) out there, but Lions and Tigers? I’m not so sure.
@@BlastMagicianYGO We do actually have “jumping cacti” which, rather than using their spines for self defense, instead use them to physically stick to animals so they’d carry them along. So yes - cacti here are especially aggressive in a way.
@@purplehaze2358yeah that “jumping” cholla is no joke. My cousin fell into some and getting it off was a nightmare. We kept making it worse when we tried to flick it off. 😅
I'm sickened that their response to "hey you're abusive" was "Well nuh-uh, the torture camp in the deserts of Arizona we sent our child to did the same thing."
Its wild watching abusive monsters trying to justify what they have done by citing other people doing the same. As if multiple people committing abuse means it isn't abuse.
That's the mormon church in a nutshell.
They also pull out the WAY overused card of 'I didn't do it to be mean, so it wasn't abuse'. That's an all-too-common misconception, that abuse is defined by intent. As long as we use that definition, any parent can do anything as long as they're doing it 'for their own good'. The only sensible way to address abuse is to analyze it by the harm it does, not by the abuser's intent. You don't have to be a monster to be abusive. You can have perfectly good intentions and still commit abuse. People are still struggling with this fact.
Of course, in Ruby's case it's become pretty apparent that she IS well aware of the cruelty in what she's doing. But the very fact that she's able to use that excuse, falsely or not, is a good example of why that should not BE acceptable as an excuse.
"Multiple people committing abuse means it isn't abuse" is how broken systems stay in place for centuries and reinforce all kinds of bigotry. It's so gross.
@@ceejno7861 oh yeah it just goes back to when addressing the worst atrocities in history - often the masterminds of those acts didn't THINK they were in the wrong. Or at least they felt that morality and ethics were on their side in some way.
@@eldrichnemo9312 yeah. A tragedy of the human condition, unfortunately.
It's interesting how she simultaneously infantilizes ("you're the child and I'm the parent so I need to know everything about you and you can't have privacy") and treats them as adults ("you're choosing to be bored at school because you have the wrong mentality about it") depending the circumstance she wanted to establish control over.
Yes, her parenting is about power. We see this with Malignant Narcissists. 😢
Also her 6 year old forgetting to pack lunch so she can go hungry. WTF. I always made sure my children brought lunch or had money to buy lunch right up to high school. What a psycho witch.😡🤬🤬
it's parentification. she's like if my mom wasnt well educated & grounded in reality to a certain extent. what has always struck me is how VERY familiar these awful awful clips feel. dont get me wrong i'm ok & i now have a... healthy-ish? (healthier in any case) relationship w my mom, i just had to come to terms with the fact that she was emotionally in her teens until i was in my early twenties, and now that i'm in my late twenties i'm recognizing in her the emotional development i underwent in my early twenties (and i was a couple years late bc unsurprisingly i never learned emotional regulation bc i was responsible for managing my mom's emotions. she would lash out, so i learned to do that too as a release for all the unmanaged messy emotions of being a teen, being queer, etc). she's about to turn 71, btw. so i guess the lesson here is it's never too late to change? hey, i'll take it. going on 4 years of steady progress, that's not nothing.
My mother did the same thing. It’s a common narrative where I come from.
@@GrayYeonWannabe I remember hearing bits about her childhood; and it sounded almost like a case of child neglect. She was the oldest, always by herself and always in the wilderness. I think one (if not both) of her parents weren't the most present either; I think due to trauma/mental health. Ruby herself wrote a book about it or smth.
And I relate to you heavily with your mother. My mother was strict and put under enormous amounts of stress that led her to rather abusive behaviors. I always get comments about how much I look like her, and apparently, I act the most like her compared to my other siblings. She's a healthy parental figure now that she's no longer stressed out, however I see parts of my past self in her. In her beliefs, in the way she acts; makes me wonder how I would have been had I not suddenly taken a different path in life and healed. It really scares me.
"You're just projecting because you would feel bad if someone treated you the way I treat my kids". Yeah, it's called empathy, Ruby.
its also such a self report. like yeah, if someone would feel bad being treated how you treat your kinds, just maybe... that says something about how you treat your kids?
imo there is no reason a parent should ever punish a child for making an innocent mistake. spilling a drink (or some nail polish), forgetting to pack their lunch sometimes, leaving their socks outside, etc. they are children and they're going to make mistakes. giving them physical punishments for innocent mistakes doesn't teach them anything, it doesn't mean they'll never make that mistake again, it just makes your child afraid of you and afraid of failure. it's a horrible thing to do to a child.
Absolutely. Kids are learning and I think adults often project their own mental state and understanding onto kids. It doesn’t help them at all to punish them when they are still learning. I have very few things I actually punish my kids for and they are big things, like if they were to ever bully someone or hurt them physically, things like that.
Making messes, forgetting things, not doing chores correctly are no reasons for punishment.
My parents always said “material things means nothing. As long as you didn't hurt yourself or somebody else". We never trashed the house and we grew up to be good, well functioning people. And we were never afraid to tell our parents about our mistakes. We would get comfort and help. Strict parenting isnt needed.
If they spill something, they have to help clean up. If they are leaving laundry all over the place, then have them help with the laundry. Seems reasonable that you should educate a child on how annoying these processes can be so they realise "Oh, it makes my family sad if I make the job harder". And if they're too young for such a message to go in... Then they're too young to be left alone with nail polish or to clean up their laundry.
Also none of those things are worthy of punishment just in life in general. If you spill a drink or break a dish as an adult, nothing happens. You just clean it up 🤷🏽♀️ there’s so many things that kids get punished for where adults just say “oops” and move on
Right? Going off the handle for stuff like that just makes one feel unsafe. Every time I watch such accounts I am reminded of Lizzie Borden. Sooner or later one of these family channels will end with an external tragedy, not an internal one.
My friend went to the Anasazi camp with Chad. They were forced to climb mountain in the Arizona heat with little to no water. It was literal torture. I can't imagine any mother capable of love sending their child there.
Kids have gotten serious injuries and there's at least one death at that "camp" too. It's disturbing what some people find acceptable.
Let's just remember that the dad was involved in this too. He approved of sending Chad there, too.
Just read what she did to her 12 and 9 year old in the court documents. It was even worse than the Anasazi camp
Also the son said he PREFERRED it to being at home so that says a lot
She isn't a mother capable of love.
As a wise person once said: Every child deserves to have a loving parent, but not every parent deserves to have a child
Truer words have never been spoken.
I have always held that the laws should be straight up changed when it comes to children. You should have to go through the same process you have to go through when adopting where thwy make sure you are capable of caring for a child as well as background checking even if you birthed the child. A child should be a privilage that thoose who are ready able and capable of raising can enjoy. Not a right. The world would be a much better place if we did not allow unfit parents to keep their kids just cause they popped them out. Society needs to treat them like human beings Not property that you own just cause you pushed it out your pussy or because you didnt wear a condom months ago.
I've heard this about a million times. Stop stealing comments for attention and likes
@@bushcatbandit2566 when you are so terminally online you think a Qoute from someone is a uniqe comment
@@noctotainlowry9246 the quote has been repeated up to 20 millions times all over CZcams at this point. Repeating it again is obviously for nothing but attention and likes. It’s not a wise nor a good quote anymore
Ruby talks about distortion so much that you think she's about to summon Giratina
Amazing comment ❤
Giratina is nothing in comparison to her.
Ruby is Dark Type, pure Dark Type.
@@justascarecrow6988 even dark types like Zoroark have the instincts to protect and nurture their young, so no, Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt somehow manage to be worse than that. not even species of creatures designed after the concept of "evil monsters" can touch what these two women (and other bystanders) did to these children. disgusting.
@justascarecrow6988 Dark types are not even all that evil. Most of them just use dirty tactics, pull pranks, are a bit of a bully, or just animals doing what animals do in a slightly more violent way. Even the more dangerous ones like Yveltal or Darkrai are shown to not be able to control the evil parts (yveltal's death is the evil thing and Darkrai was said in gen 5 that it can't always control its nightmare powers). Ruby isn't doing any of that, she ain't a bully, she ain't pulling pranks, she ain't using dirty tactics, she's not running of instincts, and she can actually control her evilness, she's far worse than any dark type
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That's an insult to Dark Types. They're capable of love.
Taking stuff away from children is a great way to create insecurity and anxiety in kids. In effect, Ruby was saying that nothing was theirs, nothing was perminant, the children didn't even have their own room, home and even their parents could send them away.
It's perfectly fine to take away luxuries and entertainment devices, never withhold things like basic living necessities, privacy, or love as punishments.
There is no right way to parent but I think taking away electronic devices sometimes, or denying their use at certain times, is good for kids. I wasn't allowed any form of technology until I finished my homework, and I couldn't play video games on weekdays. And video games/TV were the first to be taken away as punishment, and I couldn't have my phone at the dinner table. I always felt that my parents really made the right choice there.
while i too believe in reasonable grounding where needed, the way she said "this is MY space, not yours" came off like a Negan monologue from TWD, just with a tone that works at the bake sale.
My younger brothers best friend's parents did this to him for years. He killed himself at age 17. And my brother found his body. Rip Nick. His parents would clear everything out from his room. All that was left was bare walls and floor. His father targeted him. Not his sister. So I assume he was threatened by him. The kicker, Nick was a great kid even though he was being horrifically abused. His parents have never seen any justice.
@@Toastybeesin many countries its abuse to take away basic necessities.
There is a bright line between abuse and discipline.
Fr. It's.. like neon and flashing
Clearly it's to bright cause people who get to close to it are blinded by it.
If the way you discipline causes physical or mental harm, it isn't discipline, it's abuse. And that includes "whooping " your kids. Way too many people, especially the black/poc community think it's okay when it's not.
@@Bigbenisntaclock Neon. Flashing. There are perimeter lights letting you know you're getting close. Warning sirens.
@@brairag5744 there are border security on this line
I just want to point out that Ruby found Jodi because the church referred people to her. Even after there were reports and complaints of Jodi doing awful stuff to her patients, the church still approved her and pushed her.
If I'm remembering another source right (one of Jodi's ex-patient's), not only did the church approve and "prescribe" her to people, the church were the ones who Jodi broke confidentiality about her patients to. They knew she would tattle on LDS members to the church so of course they recommended her to people! The LDS church and other cults like it actively encourage behavior like this as well as covering it up so they can keep perpetuating it.
@@SairynadeX3two words : Class. Action.
I've been saying the same thing! People, parishioners, not leadership knew something was wrong with the kids home life. And I'd like to know who jodi has dirt on in order to have the multiple years of complaints ignored.
I've been saying the same thing! People, parishioners, not leadership knew something was wrong with the kids home life. And I'd like to know who jodi has dirt on in order to have the multiple years of complaints ignored.
When I was with the Boy Scouts years ago, I went to Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico. This is a 2 week backpacking trip in the area of the Rocky Mountains near Cimarron NM. I trained and prepared for several months in advance with other members of my Troop. I knew that it would be physically demanding, and prepared accordingly. We were all prepared to the best of our ability, and it was still brutal. I doubt that Chad was given any preparation or training prior to being sent to Arizona. The environment alone in these places will kill you if you are not prepared. Sending adults to such an environment without training is insanity, sending kids without training should be a crime.
Yeah I have a feeling there are going to be exposés coming out about that place, if there haven’t already been.
Having grown up in the Appalachian Mountains and spending my entire childhood roaming, canping, and hunting in them year round even in the dead of winter, it's werid to see someone say they trained several months for a routed 2 week backpacking trip.
Are you and your outfit disabled or special needs?
@@spa-peggymeatballs4861there's been a netflix documentary on it I think
I can never get enough of watching good videos about the same bad people
Lol right? It’s fascinating! A lot of these people I never even knew about until they screwed up and videos drop about them! 😂
i literally just finished that 5 hour video on these ppl by iNabber. i dont even knew who these ppl were lol
Felt!
Right!! I love hearing different peoples takes on awful people but the same conclusion. That person is shit!!
Truuueeeee
58:47 I’ve been following this story for a while and you’ve gotten a few things wrong. The two middle girls were still in Springville, it was the littlest boy and girl who were severely abused in Ivans Utah. This what actually the little boy’s second attempt at escape, after the first one he was shackled to his mother as punishment. I’m not sure if the kids were forced to work outside in 100deg F weather in Springville, an area with trees, but they definitely were forced in Ivans, a total desert, in the heat of the sun in the desert in the summer. Their sunburns were so bad that their skin was sloughing off their feet. The boy had just turned 12, and his baby sister was only 9. And his heroic actions saved them both. Thankfully both Ruby and Jodi have both plead guilty, so the kids won’t have to testify at trial. Both will get at least 4 years each, with a max sentence of 30 years.
Holy hell that's nightmarish.
Is this the same sister that Ruby threatened to cut off the head of a doll if she didn’t stop cutting things in the house?
The thing that just gets me about her is the fact that she turned around and tried to say that her sons were sexually abusing their sisters and trying in some weird childish way to throw her own kids under the bus to get out of trouble like a toddler. What a loon.
This needs to be pinned.
@@MunchkinWheelsseconded
23:52 "It's been so hard taking phones away, TVs away, electronics away...." Is absolutely rich knowing that she used to restrict basic human needs (food, shelter/bed, water...) as a punishment. I don't think she ever felt bad.
It would be absolutely sickening if she felt bad about restricting access to the fun stuff but felt nothing restricting her kids' food and water.
It’s the same energy as a parent physically abusing a child and then telling the child “it hurts me more than it hurts you to do this”
She didn't feel bad at all...she was happy to say I hope no one gives her a lunch
she even said beds in that clip too
I'm a pediatric forensic nurse who works with abuse cases. Some kids act out to regain some control when they are abused. Also, this kid was a teenager when all this came out. Teens act out because it is part of their developmental stages. This woman is nuts. It's my experience through my work that many people should not be allowed to have children. These parents are a perfect example.
The father Kevin is also a piece of crap. Did anyone see that clip of him confronting the officer about why he wasn’t allowed to charge his own daughter with burglary. The officer was trying to explain to him that because he hadn’t lived in the home for over a year and that the daughter had that what she did wasn’t breaking and entering and burglary. He was so pissed and you could tell he wanted to rage but couldn’t against a police officer who could arrest him. I’m sure he was angry he was being told he wasn’t allowed to do whatever he wanted to his children in his own home and that they had rights that superseded his own fragile ego
It’s disgusting he’s getting custody when he was fully in support of and contributed to their constant abuse
@@chelscara Oh no! He is getting the kids ?? 😢
Good thing the officer was a man because my bet is that encounter would have gone down a lot differently otherwise. I say that because I'll never forget an incident that went viral some years ago in Utah where a male police officer confronted a female nurse in hospital over a patient who was wanted for a crime. The patient was very injured so the nurse refused to allow the officer to try to arrest/confront/take the patient and there was a particular edge to his voice and language that locals pointed out was unique to Utah and Mormon culture. The nurse standing up to the officer and protecting the patient was a huge "breach of social contract" because she refused to submit to a man and an officer to boot because that's the expectation.
@@kikilo9647I think the elder sister has the kids for now. I don’t think Kevin even has visitation. But the court will eventually have to give him one or the other unless it strips him of his parental rights, which is a high bar. He is, after all the father.
He can stand up to his daughter, but he can't stand up to his own wife and her partner-in-crime.
I love her mugshot, her kids felt horrible and were damaged by her. Ruby looking so powerless gives me joy.
She was the only one filled with “fire” the whole time
@@wannabedrewafualo that will put down
either metamorphically
or literally by other prisoners
@@vehicleunhandler I didn’t even think about that… She has had a pretty high profile case, they’ll probably know her name and what she’s done, and the fact that it’s her very own children make it even worse. She’s gonna be at the bottom of the barrel in prison.
@@wannabedrewafualo No, the ones at the bottom of the barrel in prison tend to be the child molesters (at least, in male prisons, anyway).
Although I suppose just plain old child abusers aren't far off from the bottom either. Especially preachy kooks who throw their own kids under the bus when they're found out.
With her pretty looks, she’s going to be very popular in prison. She’s gonna learn some great humility like her evil cult is so proud to teach.
Truth, capitalized, is coded language for “God”.
They thought the youngest kids were *literally* possessed.
Then you learn Ruby held one of her kids heads underwater - it paints such a grim picture.
Huh, wonder why they don't just say 'God' when that's what they mean.
@@damien678I’d imagine it’s a deliberate move to appeal to a wider group. There are probably people that would be put off by overt religious words and links, that will be far more open to listening if it’s couched in terms of ‘Truth’. Plus everyone believes that lying is wrong and telling the truth is a good thing, so they can easily expand that word how they want with far more acceptance than if they used a word like God that holds more negative and specific meanings for quite a few people
In a way these women created their own god and masqueraded it as truth, when it was anything but.
@@hannahschmitt8442 It’s radical Mormonism. Jodi, in her own bias as a recommended therapist by the Mormon Church of Utah, convinced herself she is already apart or going to be apart of the 144,000 LDS ‘servants of Christ’ in the second coming.
It is bananas. Mormon Stories podcast has a few episodes on Jodi’s clinical megalomania.
@@Ms.Prairiebasic mormons are already nutters. i cajt even begin to image what a radical mormon would be like
She's like the strict, overbearing mother in a horror movie. Where she seems like an amazing mother until her mask slips, and by the end she's chasing her family around with an axe.
You don't OWN your children they are human beings too. The minute I had my two my goal was to help guide them in this world the best I could with love and understanding. They're 16 and 20 now and are lovely people. I beg of you to show your kids respect not punishments and violence and you'll be pleasantly suprised at how much they love and respect you back.
If you can't own children or pets, WHO CAN YOU OWN?!
Yourself @@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307i cant tell if you’re agreeing with the original comment or not lol
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 Nobody. Why do tou want to own a human being? And who tf said you can't own pets? That's literally the definition of a pet.
@@llamaniaman4002 I dunno. I just have this urge to control something. I feel like my life is like a speeding car that i can't brake and im just barely veering away from other cars, trees and cliffs so i don't die. I need a sense of control so i don't snap and lose my sanity.
“Distortion demands proof.” If you’re saying that someone seeking proof of something is a bad thing, you’re the one doing the “distorting.”
It's a very convenient thing for a manipulator and an abuser to claim.
Yeah, that's the scary bit. It basically legalises ignoring facts and objective truths. It's the core of most religions - belief without question. That one sentence is enough to classify them as a cult.
This coupled with their belief that, “Truth doesn’t need to be defended, it just is.” Okay, so if we can’t defend ourselves with proof then the “truth” is… whatever the abuser thinks is the truth! You’re destined to fail no matter what, then shamed and punished for it. I truly hope those kids get all the support they need to recover from this.
Right? If you could prove it with evidence, that proves that it's distorted. Okay.
And if the witch sinks, she's innocent.
My family & I DESPISE WILDERNESS RANCHES & CAMPS!! My older brother was sent to a wilderness ranch in Utah by a judge at 14 years old. It was the wrong thing to do. My brother left with trauma & it changed him. They treated the young boys horribly! The couple who ran the ranch pocketed all the money they received per teen. They ate well & the boys hardly ate . They were isolated & abused. The things that went on there was absolutely disgusting. Thankfully they were finally shut down.
I'm so sorry to hear that. No child should ever be sent to those types of places. I was a "problem kid" when I was younger (age 7 or so)...most kids who are "problem kids" actually just have undiagnosed medical, behavioural, or mental health disabilities and need *treatment*, not a camp that is going to traumatize them. The judge should have sentenced your son to things like therapy at age 14...if he was a danger to others maybe to a secure well monitored health facility (but it has to be well monitored...kids with behavioural issues are at *very* *very* high risk of being abused, even in healthcare facilities, and courts should be insuring anywhere kids like that are sent to is monitored so that doesn't happen)...you can't "tough love" kids who need help into being better... kids like that need the highest quality, safest care to help get them the treatment they need...not "go into the woods with nothing under the supervision of some people who frankly should probably be in jail".
That's literally how the prison system operates. Wild to send you kid to a place like that, at least prisioners get a trial.
"distortion looks for proof" was the sentence that for me was what made it clear that "connections" is a cult. We need a comparative analysis of each of those with a list "if you hear or see any of these things, leave, hit the ground running. Don't give chances. Run. Any additional chances will be risking falling into the trap of a cult.".
I hope those guilty pleas make those poor kids realise they did nothing wrong.
It won't. I used to work with kids in those situations. It takes YEARS of GOOD therapy at a time when the PERSON is ready to get it to come to those realizations and understandings. Kids are so traumatized on both ends and either put so far into a corner or into the spotlight they feel a sense of absolute doom for so much of the process. If they're honest? They're the reason they'll never see mommy and daddy again. If they're not honest? They go home to that hell. And you'd be amazed the guilt these kids will carry for not feeling strong enough to endure torture so that their parents *might* feel better.
@@OGimouse1 this. One of my unit tutors at Uni was a child psych, and she told us that often times kids 'accidentally' report on their parents by sharing behaviours they thought were normal. They don't even realise that it's so very wrong.
@@OGimouse1 This. It's natural kid instinct to love and protect their parents regardless of how good/bad their parents truly are. It's incredibly difficult just to grasp the concept that their parents aren't god figures, and even harder to accept that their parents did not treat them well
Not to mention with toxic families, the parents are exceptionally talented at using every technique in the narcissist's handbook to manipulate their kids into being wholly dependent on mom and dad. That "if only you were did a better job at this or that, I wouldn't have mistreated you"
@@OGimouse1 What a gut punch... Exactly what I'd assume and why I didn't end up going into child psych. Didn't think I could stand hearing and facing this daily while keeping my sanity. God bless those that do.
@@OGimouse1I'm a child abuse survivor. And of csa. I'm 39. Have had ptsd since age 5. And my abuse ended at age 5. My life was destroyed. And my abuser ( biological father) has never faced and reproductions. I thankfully did the work and now he is the one who should feel shame. He is a pos. But CPS did tried to make me have unsupervised visitation with him. And they knew he was csa ing me. Like excuse me? Wtf. If my 11 year old brother did not refuse, I probably would have disappeared. As after a restraining order was put in place, his side of the family still stalked me for a decade. They can all rot in hell.
You know you done fucked up when TRO makes a TIMELY video on you 😭
Right?? TRO usually waits until the dust has settled in order to have the fullest, clearest picture.
@@alexwyatt2911 EXACTLY I was so shook when I got the notification 😭
Imagine if Hbomberguy was capable of posting a timely video.
@@Unotuchable Then the serpent would cease to swallow its own tail and the cycle would be broken, unleashing untold evil into the world. Brimstone and darkness, the awakening of the elder gods, ushering in a new age of madness and despair.
@@Ech_The_Sentiantthere will be weeping, and gnashing of teeth.
Imagine being a parent and sincerly not just thinking, but voicing to the world, that your child's happiness is not your responsibility. And then thinking that makes you a good human.
Very social darwinist "pull yourself up by the bootstraps! No one owes you anything!" being said not to a grown ass adult but to like...a 6 year old.
"Mommy I'm hungry."
"Then get out there and forage. Hunt, track, kill, gut and clean your meat. Chop enough wood to build a fire by crafting a simple stone axe. Find some flint and tinder, start your own fire, and then cook your meal."
"I can't do that!"
"Sucks to suck. Skill issue. Guess you're just gonna have to starve."
The clear implications is your kids are not your responsibility, they are your burden and punishment for engaging in unprotected intercourse. They are useless eaters and parasites who must be corrected and hammered into being a functional productive member of society, or else they'll be someone else's problem. You're such an amazing wonderful parent when you understand that you don't need to provide anything for your spawn except for constant and severe negative reinforcement for their every mistake or failure. That's not narcissism and abuse. No! It's tough love.
Your kids will thank you later by leaving you stranded to die alone in a crooked old folks home where the nurses neglect your care, steal your possessions and the home just pockets the money it gets from the state while leaving you to fight sepsis infections from bedsores, rat and roach bites, and black mold getting in your lungs.
C'mon mom, pull yourself up by the bootstraps and deal with it. Your happiness and well being isn't our responsibility!
Growing up in a house where they didn’t see you as a person no matter how old you were is something that sticks with you for life. No measure of therapy will ever negate the anxiety I have of still sneaking food and tiptoeing in my own place.
some things just cannot be solved or fixed no matter what therapists, family members, significant others, friends etc say
Much like scars on the body scars of the mind never fully dissappear
Every time I see her talking about 'this is my house, you don't get privacy, if you want privacy, leave' I have vicious flashbacks to hearing the same thing as my parents broke the locks on bathrooms and took my bedroom door after beating the shit out of me for... staying awake in bed past 8pm when I was fourteen. Or didn't clean the stove right, or... it's frightening because I could see them slipping further into the climax of abuse with this family had they had that influence. They'd claim that not the case now, they deny they did those things, trying (badly) to gaslight me about it.
It's very frustrating because when parents are this way, there'll be times they'll be nice. And even as an adult, you justify that they just thought they were doing the best for you, even if they were wrong. But the monster will always rise up, and it's a yoyo, and if any of those kids end up with no support system like me, people need to understand they'll probably migrate back to their parents, since at least that's *a* support system, and I hope people are kind to that fact. It's not that we want to do it, but we'd have no one else.
…Are we the same person? I felt like I was reading my life story for the majority of your comment. I’m so sorry that you were subjected to that abuse and I’m so sorry that you were further hurt by your parents denying their abuse. It makes you feel crazy and small and lost.
Please know that you can and should trust yourself. Your memories. Your experience. Those are real. Your parents’ denial is part of their control and abuse. It’s extremely common but knowing that doesn’t make their denial any less hurtful.
Having good feelings or fond memories of your parents doesn’t invalidate or negate their abuse. You’re not betraying yourself by having a complex relationship with your parents.
Of course, you may already know all these things, but I appreciate that you gave me the opportunity to remind myself of all these things.
I had the same thing happen to me in my childhood, it wasn’t right and we didn’t deserve it but I’m still struggling with the deep seated effects of this style of parenting today. having no privacy or personal items doesn’t make a kid sorry, it makes them think they deserve nothing and no one. I wish you nothing but healing ❤️🩹
It’s called the cycle of abuse.
stage 1: tension building
stage 2: incident of violence
stage 3: reconciliation
stage 4: calm
Yeah my mom would go through my room at least twice a day, looking underneath everything, opening every drawer, getting mad about the way my room was and then making it 2x worse. Yeah it’s hard
Your comment is thoughtful and profound. It resonates with hard earned wisom and resilience. Respect.@@alexwyatt2911
Scary that Ruby could easily give out parenting advice. Someone somewhere copied Ruby's parenting.
Scares me to see clips of people saying following her made them a better parent.
there was a clip of a connections show featured in another video discussing ruby, where a mother with a daughter who she believed to have an eating disorder that she was hiding from her called in for advice. what ruby told her was that her daughter was being maliciously deceptive, that she was lying, and her eating disorder was a distortion to be solved through punishment for lying to her mother. my heart hurts for that girl every time i hear about ruby.
@@gummycats There's no magical cause or fix for an eating disorder, but reinforcing shame and administering punshments for being caught is just going to drive their actions further into secrecy and mess with that girl's relationship with food in an obviously unhealthy way.
If there are still any 'psychologists and experts' that back this line of thinking we need to examine how these idiots ever became professionals.
I live in Utah where this all happened. The Mormon church is FULL of people who parent like Ruby. It’s scary
With their giant following, it’s more than one. Let alone the kids that watched that have now developed while thinking this was “The Way”.
I was sent to wilderness therapy
I was a kid failing out of college after being a straight A student my whole life, and was incredibly depressed. I had never really gotten over my dad's passing, the only person in the world who i thought understood me. So what did my family do to help me?
Blamed it all on "screens", since i was hiding from my feelings on youtube and video games, and send me to a wilderness program that had a focus on addiction. (Apparently i was a screen addict).
I wont get into all the horrid shit that happened over those 3 months but tl;dr i spent the days doing grueling hikes and the nights being screamed at for not accepting im an addict. Only time in my life i felt genuinely gaslit, to the point i couldnt trust my own mind. It was disastrious for my mental health, and set me back YEARS of progress.
Im very lucky, the program they sent me to after, called a transition program, had a therapist who actually heard me out and cared. But im the minority. These programs need to be strictly regulated, if not fully shut down. If anybody wants to hear more i can follow up in the comments, but these places are horrid.
That souds awful im sorry... Im glad there was someone who listened to you. It really changes your life.
Watching her is difficult because of my own trauma with my mother. I feel like some people become parents and feel like "ah yes, here's an outlet for me to get out my power fantasies" and treat us like emotional or physical punching bags. I haven't spoken to my mother in over 10 years and she's gonna die of cancer and I'm not moved at all to talk to her. Parents expect unconditional loyalty from us despite not even doing right by us growing up and I hope every parent who mistreats and traumatizes their children live to regret it intensely.
"I hope every parent who mistreats and traumatizes their children live to regret it intensely." Unfortunately, that requires insight.
My mom is a 'tough love' parent. She made sure me and my little brother knew the consequences and the rules, the punishments she gave were basic groundings (they usually lasted a week), time outs, and loss of electronic devices (mainly gaming consoles). She never hit or hurt us or demeaned us in any way, she let us know we were loved and cared for but also made sure we knew the rules. If we got hurt, she made sure we were okay and if we learned anything from it (that was if we were being stupid kids and needed to learn not to do the thing). She was firm with her rules but also made sure we were okay.
That's the thing most though love parents would not hit they're kids or starve they're kids.
It's very disturbing how many people where hand waving this behavior because she used the words "tough love".
'Touch love' still requires love. I'm glad your mother knew this.
in other words, a good mom
I wouldn't call it tough love. Just love
I think that sounds more like gentle parenting than tough love 😅
What I never get about family channels is they film it edit it watch it back and still somehow go “yeah that’s fine” it gets worse the bigger they get because you KNOW they have a team of editors none of whom remove the bad parts
They are oblivious is the thing. They are completely oblivious to the problematic nature of their content. That is why they feel okay posting it.
@@sunniermoon yeah I know I’m just surprised they don’t run it by anyone else first especially when they are making a point of finally talking about something controversial
They start to feel untouchable. Just like a religious leader with a growing number of followers.
There should be legislation against family channels that show kids. It is an invasion of their privacy. If the parents need to make money, let them do it without pimping out their children.
Someone said on another thread that family channels ARE illegal in Germany. I hope that’s true and yes, all countries need to do the same. It is complete exploitation of minors who cannot consent.
@@BG-ig6fdI knew the laws are stricter, but I never heard that they were illegal here. I did some research and from my understanding, the short version is: you can only publish pictures/videos of someone with their explicit consent. When children are too young to give informed consent, parents still get to decide. However, anything that makes the child or their personality the main focus and/or has a negative impact on their development infringes on their rights (unless it’s something like pictures of a school choir appearing in the local news). It’s not illegal as in you can’t upload it, but the child can sue their parents, especially if their likeness used for advertisement/monetary gain.
It's disgusting that some still defend her. Some things that came out in the plea deal were her holding her son's head underwater, kicking him while wearing boots, and forcing him to work in blistering sun. That's not parenting, that's literally abuse.
Aspiring parents should take note. “Building character” and cruelty aren’t the same thing, but the expansive range of parenting styles can make differentiating them difficult. Either way, I’m looking forward to not having to think about these people for a while. 🎧
My parents are a great example of building character without being abusive. We grew up on a tiny ranch in the Colorado mountains, and my dad called our chores, which included splitting firewood, some basic maintenance and construction when needed, and animal care, our "humble beginnings". Did we learn how to work hard and not half ass our work? Hell yeah. But it was never a punishment, it was always age appropriate, and it was balanced with plenty of play time and family time. It really seems like I got the upbringing these parents imagine they're giving their kids without half the therapy bills.
@@calebmcintosh1991 that's awesome to hear, and no doubt set you and kin up for life's challenges without denying you your right to be a kid. these Napoleonic offshoots with twisted religiosity are frustrating because they fuse the usual toxicity of bad parenting with this sense of moral superiority. as TRO gets at in the vid, this cocktail of warped philosophies result in the perps doubling, tripling down on their actions until it escalates into dangerous territory. satisfaction in a job well done will always trump a guardian who thinks they're somehow "vanquishing evil" by instilling fear in their kid.
@@calebmcintosh1991Farm kids always impress me - they’re so responsible and precocious. It’s one of the few modern upbringings that’s basically designed to teach kids responsibility. Suburban kids are never without a chaperone hovering over them, and their chores are things like taking out the trash. They don’t learn how to be adults or do things on their own until they’re thrown into the deep end at 18.
@@derp195 I've experienced this where I work. I work in the same building as a rather entry level job, and we get a lot of late teens/early twenties. I feel like an old man saying they have no work ethic, but they just haven't developed that muscle. I think it's because for a lot of them, it's their first job. I had the chores, but I also had weekend and summer jobs from the age of fifteen, and I think it prepared me for the work force in a way these kids just weren't. I don't blame them, kids can't help how they're raised, and if they're not taught something they're not going to know it.
@@calebmcintosh1991 I totally agree. People like to complain about “kids these days”, when they should be complaining about the parents.
I'm suprised this woman somehow still thought her actions were not just clear abuse. There's a fairly strong difference between raising a child and:
Sending them outside at 120°F to pick weeds
Not feeding them or giving them water
Not letting them sleep on a bed for half a year
Tying them up with duct tape or rope
Using pepper on wounds caused by said being tied up
Stating they metaphorically beat their kids to put out fire
and that's not even all the things she did...
Like, god. Wow. I'm not to claim i would be a good parent but this is absolutely ridiculous. How does one sink so low and not notice. Most people, including myself, couldn't be this bad a parent if they deliberately tried.
Yeap. I don't like kids, but I could never DUCT TAPE THEM. ffs, I've made jokes about taping loud children's mouths shit but I would never think about actually doing sht like that. How can someone breed so many children if they hate them this much?
she doesn’t think it’s abuse because she thinks she owns her kids, they’re an extension of HER. what they think or feel doesn’t matter if it doesnt line up with what she wants. it’s so difficult to wrap my head around but some people have such a grand sense of self that they can do this kind of stuff and have the nerve to call themselves holy :/
yep feels radically different from 'you can't go out with your friend tomorrow' or 'no computer games for a week' etc.
Even within the metaphor, beating the child _doesn't make sense!_ You can put the "fire" out with a bucket of water or a fire extinguisher.
Did you read the plea agreement in full? She knew that was abuse. No one can tell me they don't know refusing a child water and punishing them for sneaking some while they spend days and nights outside, hog tying them, putting cayenne pepper on wounds that came from the ties (which were so tight they cut through his flesh and damaged his tendons), kicking him with boots, cutting off his air with her hands or by dunking his head under water, etc, isn't clear cut sadistic torture. She knew.
"Somehow it's my responsibility to take care of my child's physical, mental, and emotional wellbeing" YES it is.
The horrible part about the bed story is the fact that most of the siblings seem to be laughing when reminiscing on the story. It was cruel, yes, but it seems to be water under the bridge. You know, brotherly hijinks. But when Ruby starts talking they all go quiet and tense. It's SHE who cannot get over it, even after months have passed, and who has taken on punishing her son for something her kids now find funny. A punishment could've been due, fair, like taking away his phone for a day, or making him do chores for the day. But a month long punishment... It's too far. Im glad she's paying a fair price.
Also even when the jokes are cruel they think it is an ok prank because their parents also do cruel stuff and dismiss it
Wow. Take away his phone for a whole day over hanging his brother from a basketball goal. That sounds harsh.
The oldest sibling is strong. I hope someone close to that young man makes sure that he knows this.
I thought the oldest was a daughter?
@@devonbananastar4170 the oldest sibling is their daughter shari (20), the second oldest is chad (18), their son.
The oldest sibling who escaped you mean?
Oldest son, the eldest is a daughter who escaped when she hit 18 and went to college. Ruby quadrupled down after and was so harsh to Chad, I’m not surprised he’s who you remember. Shari has some insane, heart breaking stories of this family hell though, including Connexctions starting in high school for her
The son who playing that disgusting prank on his little brother - waking him up early and letting him get ready to “go to Disneyland” - sounds like a sadist. I think his mother’s child rearing methods have turned him into a person as heartless as she is.
I love/ hate when you see someone and immediately can see a huge amount of crazy in their eyes. Customer service for over 15 years dun made me really judgmental.
She must be an absolute nightmare to service workers
BIG SAME and maybe I wasn't the best choice for customer service work but the more I stood up to people the better it got with the exception of entitled, narcissistic people. Thank gods I got out of that work!
Yeah there’s no light in her eyes lol
I was a waitress and hairstylist and feel the same. Idk what it is about her face but it just looks like it hurts to have a face shaped like that. And you can tell she thinks she's hot stuff.
You can just hear her in her über-sanctimonious voice, demanding to speak to the manager. That Cheshire grinch grin is haunted, I swear to gawd
If Chad really wanted his “consequences” on the internet I applaud him for finding a way to speak out by out smarting his parents 👏👏👏👏
Spot On!!! That is insightful. I picked up on something about Chad's words/energy, and now i believe you have called it out!
Claiming that CPS came to their home and said that they were going to watch some of her CZcams videos to learn parenting skills is one of the most hilariously insane, yet worrying things they ever said. That is such unbelievable bullshit I cannot believe that anyone ever bought it.
As she showed she was not responsible enough to have her freedom with her children, it was confiscated.
Been saying for years that family vlogging is a cancer and the ones who usually feel the blunt of anything harmful are kids. Hopefully one day these type of channels will wither away, one could only hope.
I wouldn't even want my family to be under public eyes. There's a lot of obsessive wierdos out there, I ain't gonna just show everyone my olwhole family.
Every parent in this family is abusive to their children. Kevin engaged in the same abuse Ruby did. He fully signed off on all of the abuse until Jodi kicked him out. Ruby's sisters engage in blanket training for their babies, where their children, very young children, are forced to sit in silence with toys just out of reach on the blanket for an hour or more. The kids aren't allowed to engage with each other, either. It is abuse. Bonnie is the one we actually see doing it on camera, but I'm pretty sure she says Ellie does it, too. Ruby's parents were fully on board with making one of their young children sleep on the floor of the bathroom after they threw up (I think it was the baby of the family when she wasn't even eight), so I'm sure some of the abusive behaviour was something Ruby learnt from them, or is at least signed off on by them. The four youngest children need to be taken far away and shown genuine love.
Holy fucking shit
Sitting a child with toys next to them on a blanket feet away for hours is abuse? Are you joking? I got SA'd and concussions, that particular example of abuse is in my opinion soft like charmin
@@sparkedlemur1065 Not a child but a baby, baby's are naturally curious; they stare at stuff and touch stuff. So blanket training caught me off guard, the baby would still actively try to reach for the toys, how exactly are they stopping this child from reaching for the toys. It seemed innocent but it feels wrong, so I searched it up; so apparently when they try to reach for the toys they punish or smack the child? Inevitably ingraining at a really young age "fear" and that reaching for what you want is bad, it teaches obedience but in the end not the kind of obedience we want
@@sparkedlemur1065 while what you had is naturally worse, 'lower' abuse is still abuse, you are using your past experiences to make other's as you said 'soft', you are becoming a abuser yourself as this is a common place tactic used by them, please become a better person.
I’m at 21:57 right now. Just a bit of perspective…. When I was trying to become a foster parent, I was to be licensed for a certain amount of kids I could take in. To be licensed, I had to have beds and designated space for the child and their things. The beds had to meet specific qualifications. A convertible pack-n-play did not count as a crib. It had to be a real crib to count as a bed for a baby/ toddler. A trundle mattress in a trundle bed did not count as a bed. Each child had to have their own ADEQUATE bed as defined by the state. Each child had to have a certain amount of square footage that was just for them. They had to have a specific amount of storage space that was just for them. For Ruby to take away a BED from her kid for MONTHS isn’t even meeting the minimum requirements that most states in the U.S. require of their foster families. It’s disgusting. Every time I hear what she did to her kids I am just thinking…. That this isn’t even the minimum standard the state has for foster families which is LOW. Why CPS didn’t step in I will never know I guess.
Thank god you posted a 90 minute video about someone I’ve never heard of I almost had to be alone with my thoughts
I’ve seen so much content on 8 passengers but I’ve never seen any of the “good” parenting moments highlighted before like in those first clips. It’s actually heartbreaking to see. Whether or not it was an image- her kids definitely felt love from her at times and I think that’s why they were so quick to justify her punishments because they wanted the good back
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The horrible thing about abusive people is that they are almost never ALWAYS bad. The human brain can justify alot of torment from people we love if we can just hold on to the next time the abusive person becomes the loving, thoughtful, kind person you know the *really* are.
Even when you know that that person is abusive, even years after you have escaped them, there's always the doubt- was it really that bad? After all, you can remember times they were really thoughtful, or that they were so loving (when they weren't abusing you)
Just so I'm completely clear- abusive people are abusive even when they are acting kind or loving. The abuse stays- the love will come and go. Everyone deserves a relationship (whether parent child, spousal, friendships ECT) that they can COUNT ON to be loving.
typical of narcissistic abuse, when the victims magically focus on the good times and hope for them, because there isn't really a way to predict when the shift is gonna happen.
Yup, that cycle of abuse really makes it hard for people to leave
Very well put
In many ways, it's better for a kid to know their parent doesn't love them, than to deal with a parent that seems to love them while also abusing them.
In the first case, while there's an absence of love, they don't end up confusing it with abuse.
considering their religious background, it is definitely safe to say that they had "traditional" views on other things as well, so i highly, highly doubt the dad was as uninvolved as he tries to make it look. there is simply no way, in that type of religious dynamic, that the husband would let the wife do as she pleases when he disagrees with what she does. he deserves a severe punishment as well, because he was 100% part of it, agreed to it, justified it and perpetrated it. his claims about the eldest daughter invading his house for NECESSITIES for the kids should be enough for anyone to see how much of a similar character he has.
It’s families like this that warp how others view religion.
There is scripture discouraging provoking your kids, where are these people getting “abuse is ok” from??
@@faithtinywishes8232 because as soon as you don't view X as X and see it as Y, it is no longer possible to be X in your mind.
@@faithtinywishes8232 what is the scripture?
@@guragat2Maybe this one? It's talking about God's love but it's drawing parallels to how despite us being not perfect would still treat our children with love
What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead of a fish? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you, then, being evil [that is, sinful by nature], know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask and continue to ask Him!” Luke 11:11-13
@@basshead7171As an athiest I always appreciate quotes and readings like this. Because despite the many translations and tweaks that are present between variations of the bible, what it is at its core is _a historical text._ This means that those who wrote it were, despite their potential flaws in a modern context, indeed trying to pass down life lessons and stories with morals embedded in them. It's just so embarrassing (and I imagine even more embarrassing for other Christians who actually read the book and still suffer the fallout of association) to watch people feverishly clutch at such texts and use it as an excuse for their pride and abuse when the potentially thousands-of-years-old words within actually advocate for the exact _opposite._
I mean, thanks to this quote, we can conclude that basically every parent who claims they beat their kids because "muh Christian values" is a sinner misappropriating the name of God. So says the centuries long dead men who apparently still knew better than some modern age families!
As someone who was raised with a more “traditional” model of parenting, I can say it does not work. From my experience, it creates well-behaved children. However, it makes the child angry and depressed. This is the case with me and my sister. The strict, authoritarian model of parenting creates the appearance of a perfect, mild-mannered family. But I can guarantee you that the children hate living in their home.
More often that not it creates quiet little timebombs that detonate once they’ve grown and have families of their own.
53:32
What boggles my mind is how she accurately describes that she was harming her children, but then proceeds to completely miss WHY she was harming them and only DOUBLED DOWN on said harm.
The horrifying plot twist when she claimed that her kids were being hurt BY PEOPLE CALLING OUT THEIR ABUSE.
Being put in a old persons home isnt incentive to treat your kids better. Its a warning that how you treat your kids now while you have power over them will reflect back when they have power over you.
It also ignores the fact that a Care Home might be the best Option. I hate how theyre Always weaponized to imply sth went wrong with parenting or the parents are getting somehow punished.
Taking Care of an elderly Person is hard and sometimes you Just cant do it. What If you have to work and your mother needs constant Care? What If you have OTHER dependants, and are already stretched. What about the elderly person's social needs.
My great grand aunt spent her Last years in a care home because it was the best decision for everyone, including her. There, she Had her own apartment in the Home, but at the same time constant Access to Professional carers. And Theres were other people her age. She could socialise with other people. If my dad Had taken her in, she would have Had to move to a new town and spent Most of her day in a flat with only my mum for company (because she wasnt very mobile). My aunt Had already taken in my Grand mother. My other aunt doesnt have the space. In each Case, even If it Had been possible, my great grand aunt wouldnt have Had anyone to interact with and would have Had to rely on Family for everything. In a Home, she retained some autonomy and the ability to be with other people If she Chose to. And medical professionals.
@annabeinglazy5580 it's kinda more your kids won't bother with you, they'll put you in a care home and forget about you.
My Grandad ended up in a care home because he needed more support and we needed to move him across the country to be closer. But we visited him all the time and brought our dog with us because he loved dogs, brought him cake for his birthday.
He was loved and cared for not just dumped in a home and forgotten about.
@@annabeinglazy5580yes but not all care homes are created equal, and not all care homes actually care all that much or provide much of a home. The bad ones really stand out and give the industry a bad look.
They should be the way you describe them, but that assumes everyone has the means to support and afford it for their elders. Some of these places are paid for by the state, and you know what sort of bang up job the state does with providing social support services.
Seen one myself up close and personal on multiple occasions. The exact sort of place people get dumped off at and forgotten about. Very sad place.
"Did this camp bring you closer to God?"
"Yes"
Of course - he almost met Jesus when he was forced to trudge through the desert with no water oml.
33:48 "he's definitely not chained in our basement" what a terrifying statement in hindsight
something to not be underestimated is how often this occurs in utah and similar states. people who are highly religious are far more prone to falling into cults, and even without the cults, they often engage in abusive behaviour with 'god' as the justification.
As a survivor of abuse as a child. I knew she was abusive as soon as the bed and lunch thing hit the news years ago. I told everyone just wait, She is abusive af. And when it cane she was, it was as bad as I expected. As someone who survived quite similar things. When someone who has been through that tells you, belive us.
If only we f*cking listened to victims, but alas. Hope you’re doing well, and have a found family that respects and loves the crap out of you.
I don't care what anyone says the troubled teen industry will always be abuse, my mom is a survivor of the TTI and she has suffered greatly because of it. Educate yourself on the TTI and spread awareness
yup it’s abusive plain and simple.
I don't care about this lady. I just really really want every child who has been abused to understand that it is not their fault. It's not your fault.
The reason parenting holds such high standards of how you treat your children is because children are PEOPLE that YOU CHOSE to make exist
So yes, their well-being IS YOUR JOB
Yeah, it should be your job.
She seems like she viewed it that way, but not in the right idea of it. Not like "I need and want to do a good job." Versus "I'm just here to punch the clock, until it's time to leave."
She seems like the children were a burden and a problem that needed to be solved. Their free will, wants, needs, desires? Those were all burdens and responsibilities that she didn't want and couldn't bear, so whenever wherever possible, she outsourced those onto the kids themselves.
She seems to imply and operate under the idea of "tough love" in order to teach them responsibility in growing into an independent adult.
So the kids have to learn some self accountability and accept responsibility for their own actions. They need to learn valuable life lessons and skills early. So they're treated as if they are fully grown adults.
Until they say or do anything that is in any way shape or form a mistake. Then they're nolonger allowed to be functional independent individuals but are back to being children who have no say, no authority, no autonomy and who must be corrected severely.
In one breath none of the kids stuff is her job, that's their responsibility. Then in the next, they're back to being irresponsible willful bad children who need to be punished.
She wanted the idea of kids, as an extension of herself. That they could say or think or do differently than whatever she wanted from them at any particular instance was just too much to bear.
She punishes them for not being responsibly independent, then punishes them for trying to be responsibly independent and making mistakes. And gets that sweet sweet CZcams mommy/family vlogging channel attention while doing so.
Truly awful person in the first place made worse by an equally awful person who fed into all her bad habits and validated all her maladaptive malicious and manipulative behaviors.
This case is deeply sad. Those poor sweet babies of hers. I just tucked my son into bed and sang him his song (like I've done since birth) and gave him hugs. He's 14 and is a very happy, confident child b/c of our love and support. He's earned his privacy on his phone and gets his alone time if he needs. We of course talk to him and teach him things and he's learned what's appropriate over time. He's a wonderful guy and I love him more than anything in the world. The idea of those kids being mistreated hurts my soul. I only hope they find healing and know this isn't their fault. They deserve nothing but love. She and that Jody woman deserve to rot forever. Disgusting "people". I just wanna go hug my kid more :(
awww ur a wonderful parent!!
what a lucky son, getting a song sang to me before bedtime sounds heavenly.
34:40
She literally says she hopes noone gives her food. That has nothing to do with responsibility or "masters of themselves". If the child is a master of herself, then she can get food in the school. That's how a kid is independent: she doesn't pack lunch, but she can get some at school. That's independence. It's a lie that she wants her to be independent and a master of herself, she wants the opposite. She wants her kid to be dependent on her, only eat the food what she gives her and only the way she allows her to eat it.
Ruby and Jodi are truly sick people. It's so hypocritical that they preach about "shielding your children from the distortion of the world" yet they abused Ruby's two youngest children without batting an eye. Ruby even justified her harsh punishments, and any backlash was never her fault.
I hope they get the maximum sentence for what they've done.
I hate that fire example she uses. Because its nonsense used to excuse herself. A more accurate representation of her parenting style is:
Her child came to her and said they were hot and uncomfy. So she grabbed them and said, "dont worry ill put the fire out" and started beating the child "to put out the flames". Except theres no evidence of a fire, the child says theyre not on fire, and everyone who can see her tell her to stop hitting the kid for no reason.
I am, once again, thrilled with TRO’s alliteration game
the stuff about boundaries blows my mind. I actually froze and stopped what I was doing to stare at her as she talked because it was so absolutely batshit insane i couldn't process it for a second.
Personal space is extremely important to adults and kids, it has nothing to do with the "space I own", like what you think just because you own the house your kids don't want to be left alone or have a moment away from you? you can't "Buy" personal space, that's something everyone needs and deserves! It's healthy for a human mind, regardless of age, to have a moment of peace but the way she phrased how she wanted "to know everything" probably means she watched all her kids so intently they didn't have a moment to breath and that right there... is a nightmare.
Family channels are job security for future therapists, prayers to all the victims of "traditional" parenting.
Denying a child their basic needs is abuse. I knew the ending of this video but not the beginning, and the lunch and bedroom punishments were already abuse before the new stuff came out. I actually don't think that her early punishments (like no nail polish for a month) were suuuper extreme, because I do think the "not responsible enough" idea can be used in a good way. Perhaps by packing your child's lunch for her that day, but with only the very basics: she isn't responsible enough to pack it and have a bunch of snacks, but she still gets the life sustaining food she needs. That type of punishment when there isn't screaming attached can show a kid that they cause their own problems in a way that just grounding them wouldn't teach. But taking away a child's access to food and their bedroom tells them that their basic needs have to be earned, which turns their life and biological necessities into weapons for their parents to wield against them.
The kid was like 6/7 when the lunch thing happened. There’s no way she should have been forced to pack her own lunch without help or even punished for not knowing how to do so.
@@heffawtf150 Oh jeez I thought she was like 10. my goodness
@@virginiacanfield2307 yep, and that was before Jodi entered the picture. Iirc that’s the 9 yo whose brother escaped.
The thing was I think she did pack her lunch? She just forgot it in the fridge. So she’d done everything right, just left it at home
Wasn’t the girl not even school aged for the nail polish thing? Doubt she even knew how long a month was, but Ruby got to tell her she was awful for a whole month.
I grew up in Utah. I grew up in a Mormon family. Luckily my family wasn’t quite as insane as these other insane Mormon families. I had MANY friends that were forced to go to Anasazi. In their adult years, all of them were addicts, single moms with several different dads, on welfare.
Just saying that Anasazi seems to do more harm than good, along with these crazy strict parent with unrealistic expectations. It is VERY sad.
I freaking HATE Ruby. What a disgusting excuse for a mother. I’ve know WAAY too many mothers like this in the Mormon religion. Specifically in Utah.
I'm Mormon and grew up in Utah in a Mormon family, and this is the first time I have even heard of this camp and I am utterly horrified by what I am learning. God would not approve of any of this, I am sure.
Ruby didn't want to be better or the best. She just didn't want to be WRONG. There is a big aspect of U.S. culture where people think being wrong is somehow the ultimate failure. Our politicians have pushed this idea for decades and it has bled into personal lives. To be wrong means someone else is right. Someone else is better, smarter. That should normally be used as an opportunity to grow into a better person, but too often now it is used as an excuse to dig your own heels in. Ruby Franke is a monster.
I'm...not sure that's a purely American thing. It seems to be more of a religious tenet that uncertainty is to be feared. Also, I'm really not sure there's a singular, united US culture. The culture in the suburb where I live is drastically different is from that of nearby cities, or rural areas. And it also differs from suburbs in different states, or even some in the same state.
@@Nixeu42 It's likely not purely American, but it is a heavy part of our culture now.
I can't help but notice throughout this entire video, that woman in almost every clip talks about her kids like products or assets and not like... her kids
I want to slightly correct one point - prison is guaranteed. That's part of the plea deal, for Ruby, at least. Her defense isn’t fighting prison time, the sentences will be served consecutively, and the judge isn't bound to a lower sentence, either - they just dropped two of the charges and the defense isn’t going to go for the maximum sentence. I believe the minimum per charge is a year, making her minimum sentence four years, but don't quote me on that, I'm just parroting info that lawyers have said.
I believe you are 100% correct. I was scrolling through the comments to make sure someone else had caught that. Idk the parole/probation possibilities but my understanding is that 4 years minimum will be served in prison by each of them. And I’m not sure if Jodi is locked into the “consecutive sentences” stipulation, but I assume she’ll serve them consecutively regardless.
@@app1escruffIf I understand correctly, the 1 year minimum for each count would mean that their sentence will be at least 4 years, but it's possible they may be paroled or given time served; their sentence might be 4 years but they may spend less than 4 in prison. Or they might serve much more, it depends on the February 20th sentencing.
hopefully any self respecting judge will read that report on what the 2 kids who escaped were forced to go through and give her double digits. her children are going to have to cope with this for the rest of their lives, and she should face consequences for the way she treated them for just as long, if it were up to me.
Ah, finally you're covering this. It's good to see, I'm honestly reluctant to watch the full video because this woman reminds me so much of what I experienced, especially with constantly placing blame on the children
Thank you so much for doing this. Just want to say (as a former child abuse survivor myself) some kids who are being abused will do the stereotypical thing and be very obedient and quiet and "mousy", but what gets glossed over is that lots actually do the exact opposite and develop behavioural problems that can lead to the kid being considered a "bad kid" when really it is just their response to abuse - extreme defiance/rule-breaking, frequent lying, being manipulative, bullying, drugs/alcohol/smoking, getting into fights, vandalism, running away, stealing. Kids who are SA can also start to act out by becoming hyper-sexual (not because they want sex, definitely not...I was no sexually abused, thankfully, I was physically and mentally abused, so I don't fully understand the psychology behind the hypersexuality thing, but I do know it's a trauma responds, these kids do not want to be abused they want to be told it's ok for them to not being sexual and that what happened to them was wrong...)...so yah, if you see a strict parent who's always like "my kid just has years of behaviours and no matter what I do to punish it they won't stop..." might actually be the punishments that are making them like that.
I was hypersexual in high school bc being sa’d throughout my childhood and the grooming completely normalized it, especially since my mom was in sex work and taught me that my sex appeal is the utmost important thing for myself worth
I live in Utah. I’ve experienced the Mormon lifestyle. I’ve met many families similar to the Franke family in the Mormon church. There is no shortage of Rubys. The culture here is a big problem.
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If it’s not your job as a parent to make your kids happy or successful, or to even “KEEP THEM FROM BEING HURT,” what IS your job? What’s left?? Just making them obedient. Most people enforce obedience to set their child up for a successful life - if you only want obedience & don’t think your child’s success is your problem, the only thing you want is power over the helpless. That’s all that’s left. Wanting control.
& if your worth as a parent doesn’t determine your worth as a person, WHAT DOES? The way you treat your children is a bigger indication of character than anything else.
Jodi might’ve turned the crazy up in this family, it may have never gotten this far without her, but the parenting attitudes they already had & the lessons of the Mormon church made them more susceptible to her. It made them more vulnerable to influence. A good parent would have recognized the wolf dressed up as grandma a mile off.
Oh god, when she's talking about hitting the "fire," my blood goes cold.
Her fam seems to sympathize with her (smiling at each other during her hearing). This concerns me as they might not protect the kids from them or pressure them to keep contact because "she's changed" or "she deserves a second chance" or "she's still your mom"
54:05 This boils my blood because my mom is like that. I last lived with my mother when I was 28 and she still walked into my room that I rented from her. Saw things I never wanted her to see me doing. And she said its her house she can come in whenever she wants. I was 28 being walked in on naked doing things. And what made it worse is she wouldn't even acknowledge it and leave she would STAND THERE IN THE DOOR WAY TALKING TO ME.
i'm so sorry :( i hope you are in a better place now..
also damn i will never get how parents make their own children they bring to this world rent rooms from them..
It sounds like she didn't look at you as human let alone an adult. She also sounds like the type of person who was emotionally exhausting so easily triggered you have to walk on eggshells in order not to offend. Our sympathies friend.
Sounds like my mom 🙄 People like that don't see you as a fully-fledged human like they see themselves, they see you as an extension of themselves. They don't understand that you have your own rights, needs, wants, and an inner world separate from theirs.
My mom also treats me like I'm a kid despite me being in my mid-20's. She'll bulldoze through every boundary I set. Not long ago she stole the second pair of keys to the apartment I rent and refused to give them back, saying that she was the right to come check on me whenever she wants.
And I hate the "it's my house I can do whatever I want" argument, especially in your case since you were renting a room!
My dad does the same exact thing to me wow.
This is the same as those crazy landlord who come into your house randomly to see if you broke something in their property because they have the right, even though you pay rent 💀
"it hurts me as much as it hurts my kids"... You want to HURT your kids, Ruby?!? And "my therapist advised me to abuse my kid" probably wouldnt fly ina court of law, Kevin. Between this and the iNabber vid that dropped a few days ago my free time is monopolized 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
My best friend who first told me about this situation said she used to watch it because she empathised with the kids due to her own abusive home situation. She's safe now but it's still so jarring to think about how blatant it was that even a very young child could pick up on it.
My dad, while a decent father (if absent), has some narcissistic tendencies. He has a history of going through therapists until he finds one that agrees with him. He’s gotten better about it recently, but it’s still something he leans towards, even if he doesn’t realize it.
My mom, on the other hand, once complained to me about her therapist giving her terrible parenting advice and saying she was a bad mom because she was supporting my anxious ass while I was having an extended mental breakdown. Given that I may not have survived without my mom taking care of me the way she did, I’m glad she switched therapists after that LMAO
54:03 honestly disgusting, the things she says are pure irony. The way she states her children do not deserve privacy or space and claims its entitlement that drives these needs is bizarre. Never be like her.
I absolutely HATE that word.. distortion! Ever since hearing the word being misused by Jodi and Ruby. And i feel so sad for the children, well to do parents that have more than enough money and time to raise their children in a healthy environment yet, instead of this, they abused and traumatized them , narcissistically claiming the abuse was to "help" the children. GROSS and unnecessarily CRUEL!
That word has lost all meaning for me now, after hearing her say it so many times in so many different contexts.
@@A_Duckyone could say… the word distortion has become distorted
Someone should tell Ruby that being sent to jail is just punishment for being so distorted
52:08 I’m sorry. I didn’t realize I was choosing to have ADHD. She solved it! Just stop being neurodivergent everyone!
Wow I can just choose to not be overstimulated when I leave my house?!?!??
Oh my god are you fr???? I can just STOP being sad???? Holy moly, I would’ve done this years ago if I knew that!
All family flogging channels should be taken town, you are such a great person for making this content to let everyone know
Let them stay so that it's easier to document and report these people.
It's sad to realize that if they weren't so addicted to vlogging they wouldn't have exposed their abuse and got away with it.
@@LadyBerntheir arrests had nothing to do with their channels.
Was flogging instead of vlogging intended? If so, genius!
Just saw the news of Jodi pleading guilty and now, here's your video! Perfectly timed lol
29:17 proof this mans has NO BUSINESS getting custody and that the courts really stop at “ah well, she plead guilty, obviously we can ignore this man who was there the whole way, nodding, agreeing, doling out punishments, because it was definitely just Ruby”. Poor kids 😢😢
29:57 "They took the bed away at the camp too! See! We didn't do anything bad!" Okay, but like.... you do realize the camp itself can be a bad camp too? People who have been forced to attend have said bad things about it. I wouldn't justify your parenting and morals on a camp that had been known to be horrible.
"They have psychologists. If it was bad, they would know." Yeah. Dr. Phil had a psychology license at one point - doesn't mean that what he is doing is right. And that people, like the camp, have came out afterwards to say that they were treated badly on the show.
They say its not abuse because "they didnt do it out of fun, it was as a punishment" wel no duh most abusers dont see it as fun, they see it as a well deserved punishment for the actions of the one they are abusing. They never see it as wrong, if they did see it as wrong they wouldnt do it in the first place!
38:27 hearing her say “distortion” abruptly confirmed to me that I did watch like, a four hour video about her. I’m glad I remembered so I have the chance to really strap in for the rest of the video. I’m going to need a lot of seatbelts
41:29 *more seatbelts*
Anytime I hear a buzzword like "distortion" I'm already side eyeing you.
The most alarming thing that I saw early on with ruby is the pranks. She encouraged the kids playing pranks, and she herself played pranks, that were hurtful and unnerving.