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The Real Ellen - The Bitter Truth Behind The Daytime Icon | TRO
0:00 - Sponsor's Message
0:37 - Introduction
7:50 - Precipitate
14:41 - Kindness
24:25 - Hierarchy
33:17 - Erosion
40:00 - The Hole
47:50 - Digging Deeep
55:02 - Curtains
1:03:28 - The "Real" Ellen
1:17:10 - Outro & Credits
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Host: what was it like at Ellen?
Nikki: eh, let’s just say there’s a big difference between ‘de wereld draait door’ (the Dutch Talkshow she’s on) and Ellen. And I’m saying that in favour of you.
Host: why’s that?
Nikki: period.
Host: No, now I want to know more!
Nikki: well, there are certain, eh, look, for example it’s very nice that you come and say h before the show starts. At least with Ellen, from what I’ve experienced here and in other countries is that it’s just a completely different world. It’s different.
Host: more distant? More aloof?
Nikki: just a little. That I got to walk onto that stage, of course that was a huge honour, let me just say that. But it’s just a different world.
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i think ur kinda pretty
I mean yay
thank you mister british man
You forgot me again D:
*cry*
Shane and Ellen taught me one thing, if you have to keep telling people you're nice, you're not nice.
^^so true
Exactly
Yes! In general, every statement that is overly emphasized, is probably not true.
But guys, I'm an ✨ Empath ✨
100% on the mark.
HOT TAKE: Don't idolize celebrities. Just enjoy their work and leave it there.
Yup, people seem to forget that celebrities are people too. And just as capable of doing good or bad things as anyone else.
Very true; I think we all forget no one perfect
Exactly. I’ve never idolized or given a shit about celebrities because they’re just people... I never understood why some people are obsessed with them.
Same goes with CZcamsrs.
I see.
I think for Ellen its hard to separate her work from herself because she is her own product
There's a reason pregnant women don't announce it right away, and that's because of how common complications are in the first half of the pregnancy. What Ellen did to Mariah and then what happened afterwards is the very reason she was keeping it secret.
Yeah. Spontaneous abortions are extremely common in the first three months, and no woman needs that kind of public pressure on top of just losing a child.
Indeed a pregnancy is NOBODY's business other than the couple's and when they decide to announce it. What a disrespectful invasion on people's private lives!
@@LifewithNormi That’s literally the medical term.
@@ArDeeMeesometimes we just don’t use certain medical terms. Miscarriage is a better term when regarding such a sensitive topic.
@@HowNeatImImpressed No. That’s how extremists get to abuse women.
I remember seeing her as a kid and thinking "she seems so mean, why does everyone like her?" I thought my thinking was wrong because everyone said otherwise. Lesson: never ignore YOUR gut instincts.
same! something about her was disturbing to me
Same here!! I've always been VERY good at reading people for some reason and Ellen has bothered me since the 90s.
The same as me, the very first time I saw her on tv, much to the confusion of my partner at the time. If we can sense this vibe through a tv, imagine being in the same room, I would probably turn around and walk straight back out again, something I have done on more than one occasion. Some of us can sense the evil, just like children or dogs, except we never grow out of it, especially those of us on the spectrum. I’ve only never been wrong about people a couple of times in my 50+yrs, when I was much younger. My instincts have proven to be right more times than I can remember, even when those around me said I was wrong, only later acknowledging I was right.
SAME. I'd see her on TV when I was growing up and she just seemed so fake nice and like a nasty person who just wasn't being nasty at that exact moment. So many people nowadays CAN'T read people, that being able to read people especially well ends up feeling like a superpower...a completely unappreciated superpower. No matter how many times you go "there, see? I told you so!" They won't believe you next time either
I had the same.. i didnt appreciate her bits and thought she wasnt funny at all, even mean at times.. i still dont get why people liked her 😅
Celebrities aren’t the right people to say that Ellen is nice.
But if Keanu Reeves were to defend her, I would treat Ellen as a god.
@@pimentoenjoyer Kind of interesting given him and Dave Chapelle, they backed off of hollywood for their own lives.
I gotta say, it's funny that TRO said Samantha Ronson defending Ellen gave a perspective 'outside' the celebrity clique. The same Samantha Ronson who dated Lindsay Lohan, partied with the Paris Hilton and her lot, is related to Mark Ronson, one of the most famous producers in the world...she is anything BUT outside of the celebrity clique.
And people are just mobs that think celebrities need to act like their personal therapists. Ellen did plenty of good in the world, and yet she's expected to go out of her way to personally interact with others off the show, on top as acting as an employee manager? At some point, she should've just said "Fuck you guys," and left. Hope the employees get to enjoy their lack of job. Fucking unprofessional behavior.
that's class solidarity for ya
In that horrible Mariah interview, take away the audience, take away the laughter and the applause and it’s straight up peer pressure and I’d go as far to say an abuse of trust.
You are likely correct, but we can only guess what really is happening because humans are a bundle of things at any moment. For example, is it possible Mariah did not explain that moment 100% accurately, maybe because it served some need or justification she had to paint herself as the victim for an audience of viewers that helps evaluate her popularity, income, and all future potential as a celebrity? I am not saying this is the case, or is even more likely than your assessment, just pointing out that people are tricky creatures. I could rattle off scenario after scenario that might be happening at that moment of exchange from my seat on the outside.
@@buckrogers6378 she'd had several miscarriages prior, so she was not wanting to disclose it.
Not saying what Ellen did was right, but face it Mariah is far worse then Ellen ever was in how she has treated people,
@@corndogonasticc yeah me too, it’s like those sitcoms where they take away the laugh track and there are just no jokes or anything forcing you to laugh
Its also possible that Mariah knew what she was going to do. I dont think people realize how much of TV is faked and pre-planned. Often times its the stars themselves who release info on themselves to get attention and stay in the news.
What annoys me about this is how we as a society are attacking Ellen, but no one seems to have the same energy for Dr. Phil. Who seems to be much worse, and has done much worse than she has that I know of.
Amazing video , thank u it was so well explained
AFAIK, Dr. Phil does not sell himself as being the nicest person in the world or “studying kindness” like Ellen. I’m not defending him, just that him being an asshole is less of a “shock” than Ellen.
@@alexisschiffer4830 yes I agree with you, I think you're fully right that makes a lot of sense. It's about how people percieve that persons character and how they market themselves
I agree, Dr. Phil is a disaster.
what about howard stern? i feel like he did worse than ellen
since we're on the subject, while we're ragging on Ellen for being fairly bitchy, we're letting Dr. Oz run for the Senate even though he's promoted straight up snake oil on his show.
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That's awesome. TRO seems like they walk the walk.
She always has that “I’m bothered by your presence” look on her face...
That's what did it for me with her. I cancelled her and never went back after acting like that with a disabled child who'd lost her home and was just such a fan; ifi by then started being wary of her but that one interview made me stop immediately.
why does she have a media job? identity politics?
That’s what almost everyone high up in her industry looks like and thinks like. They even despise the fact that they have to breathe the same air particles as us plebs.
Ppl always said zhat to me even though it was just me resting my face cause smiling for too long me cramps in my cheeks ._.
Yes, let's judge her by her face. Critical thinking at it's finest.
I never looked at Ellen as nice. she’s always been sarcastic and passive aggressive
Dunno i like people owning that but being generally kind and just fierce. And not being union busters and cutthroats.
I saw that exact same thing
The biggest thing that always bugged me was that she never seemed to listen to any of her guests. She'd ask a question and just nod until she could bring up an embarrassing picture of make a dumb joke. So irritating.
@Henry K. Hill
i've always wondered how come that americans and europeans never realized how unfunny these hosts/comedians are, also never understood western ppl's love for Ellen,
Her behaviour just signals bunch of red flags, always found her weirdly evil/uncanny in whatever ''good'' clips i saw of her.
Modern lifestyle really killed ppl's instinct i guess. Now they are blind and cant make basic educated guesses about ppl, until concrete evidences slap them right in their face
@@Burning0Lilac agreed.
I remember when the allegations came out, a LGBT community group on FB I’m in was defending Ellen’s actions because: “She’s human! We all do shitty things!” And I’m like what?! And when I called out this, I got insulted because I told them: “Just because someone is in a disadvantage group, doesn’t mean they can’t be a bad person.” Like, if Ellen was a straight women I bet they would not like this at all.
Not the same drama but a similar situation made me call them out that approving bad apples will eventually bite them in the ass. Well Hogwarts Legacy drama made a lot of apolitical people to turn against the LGBT due to its bad apples
I think a lot of older lesbians have a really hard time letting go of the idea of what Ellen was, or could have been. My mom still talks about seeing when she came out, and how much it meant to her. How much it felt like things had changed overnight over the whole nation. I think in this particular case, it hurts people a lot to have to confront that someone who was the public face of lesbianism for so long, isn’t who they thought she was. It’s probably very hard to separate the feelings about how cool it was to see a lesbian spearhead national television and the actual person themselves. Just my two cents. You’re right of course, but I think that might be why so many people’s first instinct is to defend her.
tbf i think a lot of people who knew ellen as one of the first publically out lesbians of their time dont want to see her as a bad person bc of how inspirational she was
So true
I remember hearing a story from my grandma I'd need to ask her about for clarity on some details. But, I remember her saying that she and my aunt were both trying to get in to see the Ellen show live, and the process they described to do it (which they gave up on) to my recollection sounded like, the producers just sort of corralled everyone who wanted tickets into an empty warehouse or office building and started barking out rules like, how loud and enthusiastic to act when she came out on stage, all this stuff I don't exactly remember but it was enough both of them just left. Having a bad day or even several frequent bad days is one thing, but if it's true, and she had her staff enforcing weird draconian rules, that's something different.
That stunt she pulled on Mariah Carey is DISGUSTING WTF
Even if Mariah didn't miscarry (which is why it's heavily suggested to not broadcast pregnancies until the second trimester aka the fourth month onward) it's still a skeavy and inappropriate act, and SUPER unprofessional.
Right?! I saw some people say it’s just a joke.
But even if it is it’s in incredibly poor taste, highly inappropriate. 😒
Mariah MisCarey
@@kushio214 not funny
@@kushio214 seriously, that’s not funny. Obviously you don’t care about strangers online, but maybe think before posting. I had a miscarriage after a year of trying to get pregnant. Now I’m pregnant again and the anxiety from the first time doesn’t go away. It’s hard to enjoy when you’re worried about experiencing the pain and loss.
Ellen could’ve hid her past if only she had used NordVPN.
VPN Hub
These walls can't talk, but her interns sure can.
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" Being kind is a virtue, not a brand" Commentator spoke a word right there..
Kind people don't have to constantly convince the world how kind they are.
Remember when Shane said he was the ellen of youtube? man that aged well lmao
Edit: When you come back to your comment a year later and realize 90% of the replies are about James Charles. Ah CZcams, never change. ❤️😂
I mean, in a way it aged perfectly haha. 2020 was not kind to either of them.
I have more respect for James Charles than any of those freaks
@@anarchomando7707 James hasn't done anything wrong so why you're using him as an example is weird
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 James has always weirded me out. Overall he seems harmless, but I’m honestly shocked at how popular he is seeing as he seems very fake. He’s got those crazy eyes
@@TicklishCrown he is harmless he's famous because of his eye for makeup and connections "crazy eyes" you sure you aren't seeing things that aren't there?
You know its gonna be good when there's an Adam and Eve promotion.
I legit choked on what I was drinking, this was the LAST I expected here !
@@themackie2763 I'm never upset by it because this isn't content for kids anyways and I'm pretty sure a bunch of his stuff gets the big ol yellow dollar sign
oprah v ellen who will win
@@unholyheretik it isn’t? I’m 13 and I watch his videos
@@not.for_her3226 I'm 4 and also watching this
I feel like Ellen's joke of "now that I'm the 'Be Kind' lady I can't do anything rude ever!" would have been hilarious if she weren't accused of being rude and having a toxic workplace environment.
There’s a trinity of wholesome people. Bob Ross, steve Irwin and mr rogers. I really don’t think anyone else will ever come close to hitting that bar again
What about Chuck Norris?
Keanu?
@@derekm424 chuck Norris is a total fucking wierdo though
Normal youtubers: how do i stretch this video to 10 minutes
The Right Opinion
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🤣 there’s just too much info to put In one video , I kinda feel bad for him , it’s like writing and essay about a book series of 10 books and 8 spin-offs but trying to fit all the info In one sheet of paper , it’s very difficult 😔👐
It would be worth it
WOULD WATCH
XD
A true educator’s dilemma
MauLer: How do I release this video within 10 months
Pyrocynical’s Far Cry 3 video: *pathetic*
Mr Rogers was the only person who sold himself on a wholesome "Be a good person" image and actually lived up to it.
Not true, Bob Ross also in this camp.
@@RyanJBroady Bob Ross was more "Anyone can be an artist". He just incidentally happened to be Mr. Rogers levels of wholesome.
Omg that documentary on Mr.Rogers! I don't think I've ever cried so much 💖 he will forever be loved
@@AshleyUccetta not a person in my screening had a dry eye
@@SuperLlama42 Bob Ross went from being a drill sergeant to being the calmest most level-headed person on the planet. He is definitely the epitome of kindness
Wow! Respect for the huge amount of work you put into this. Every ( eloquent, I may add) word seems to be carefully considered or written down beforehand, which makes this documentary even more impressive. I also appreciate that you not only portray one side or opinion on the subject, which is sadly done by many others. This is the base of good journalistic craft. Keep up the great work! *subscribed*
Ellen made taylor swift cry because ellen kept saying “ tell us who your dating!” And taylor kept saying shes not, ellen went on and on and got super frustrated and shed a tear
She is one horrible person
Go KC chiefs lol
Ellen has been real silent since this dropped an hour ago.
Edit: it’s been several hours now Ellen, I know you’re reading this.
It’s cuz she ain’t done watching the video
No way, the multi-millionaire celebrity isn't watching a X list CZcamsr's video on them? That's unbelievable! I never expected that!
@@JurassicClark96 wooosh
Two hours now... I can’t believe her
@@Fedrowreview r/woooosh
She’s outta touch, she’s outta time and she’s outta good jokes when the writers aren’t around
Too many people will miss this.
100% underrated comment
I see wot you did there :3
IT'S A THURSDAY AS I'M WATCHING THIS LMAOOOO
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I first noticed her sadistic streak on her game show thing. There was some sort of evil gleam in her eye when she would execute penalties that shone through, very clearly.
The whole “Ellen Jail” thing is what pushed me over the edge. Just so strange. Very horrible.
if she hadn't built up this RIDICULOUSLY perfect sunshiny persona, i dont think backlash would have been this severe
I'm thinking exactly like you are. It's kinda sad for me because I never hated her, I always kinda like her and some of her jokes and antics were genuinely funny for my personal taste (sarcasm). Nobody is perfect...if you try to be perfect all the time, people would try to look for your flaws, and the flaws would seem so big and hideous.
It applies for the opposite too...when someone was painted to be too evil and hideous, their small act of kindness might throw people off course and suddenly think that the person is "actually nice".
Damn our imaginations...we forget to see the fact that everyone is merely human...and everyone makes mistakes.
Well if she treated her staff well and paid them during the pandemic and didn't cross no picket lines...
I agree
The whole branding is based on this "persona" there's was no way around it, we're human and easily perverted, it just got too far that's it
Yeah, im not her superfan, but she does have funny jokes that make me laugh my ass out and she is just there. So see her act like this aint it chief
The Mariah bit always upsets me, such a cruel thing to do
It’s such a sensitive subject for women, and the fact she miscarried afterwards is the most heartbreaking thing ever
What Ellen did sounds like a blood sacrifice to me. We may not believe it, but they do, deeply.
@@NeneSimone Ellen's awful but this, this is wacky af
@@Rigiroony as a woman it freaked me out.
@@Rigiroony no one asked you either
This is the best complete explanation I’ve seen about this situation. Well Done!
A man's character is seen thru the people who have nothing and still get respected.
If a person only treats others right coz they are famous and have money.
Then you know who they are.
Wtf are you waffling on about? This is old news anyway.
Ellen's a woman but your point stands despite the strange way of expressing it.
The Mariah Carey situation is what did it for me. To out someone’s pregnancy without their consent is just gross. And she clearly has every right to announce it on her own terms and had a reason for not doing so. It’s even sadder seeing how that situation turned out.
Yepp, I was not really into the whole 'Cancel Ellen' thing but when i saw what she did to mariah Carey and how she basically forced her to drink wine.
Like bish?? know your boundaries! You act so entitled to the point where you think you can force celebs to announce something they clearly dont wanna do!
Frrrrr
If I was Nariyah I would just threw the wine. Ellen can drink off the floor, it's not the lowest she's ever gone anyway
I read somewhere that Ellen made Mariah drink alcohol and after that she had a miscarriage.
@@katya5755 yep, then she had to publicly announce it since Ellen aired it out
When rich people like her talk about kindness they’re talking about kindness towards people in the same class as them, even if they’re war criminals, not people with less income.
Nah, dude. Mowing down Iranian civilians over oil, uh I mean, terrorism (even though they invaded the fucking wrong country) is just a difference of opinion! kindness and stuff!
@@BJSepuku Not only did we invade the "wrong country" *wink wink* we didn't even set it up properly before we withdrew so we had to come back.
I think Ellen was promoting general kindness and helping people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, but being a part of Hollywood or even just any higher socioeconomic position, it does change people and affect their views. They can becone out of touch. I've experienced it happen even from people that earn 200k a year. Even just bumping up to that kind of position changes people because it usually changes where they live and who they most often interact with, their hobbies etc.
it’s exactly like their idea of “respect,” too
@@ByeByeBelly true human mind is kind of fragile, out beliefs and intentions change. We might believe we're doing the right thing, that we're helping people when I reality we might just be delusional. It's really a fascinating topic. If u look at villian stories they always believe they're in the right, they start with good intentions and then things get out of hand and u have to force yourself to cross the line to get things done. If you're belief in your righteousness strong enough you might even edge on to insanity. Having a set of principles and whatnot doesn't help either since the same rules doesn't apply to every situation. Then how do u overcome this? Hmm interesting
i googled the twitch dude and just saw he passed away, hell naw :( he actually seemed like such a cool dude! rest in peace
honestly, ellen’s apology would’ve went a lot better if she addressed specific things. it would’ve shown her mindset behind it, and what she’s doing to change. that’s the issue with many apologizes, they’re too general, they don’t focus on the individual acts
I didn't expect The Right Opinion to try to sell me sex toys today, but here we fucking are! What a time to be alive!
Well when you word it like that it sounds fucking weird
I mean why is it a bad thing? It’s just a sponsor... no one’s forcing you to buy adult products
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 why are you so bent out of shape they weren’t saying anything rude 😂
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 Did she say it was a bad thing? She said it was unexpected and even celebrated it by saying “what a time to be alive!”
Just in time for Christmas lol
"good people don't brag about how good they are" - jacksfilms
It’s like there trying to convince themselves and everyone there nice or a good person..
“A real n*gga don’t brag about being real as long as he knows it.” -Hopsin
(Also pretty sure jacksfilms wasn’t the first one to say that 😂)
Im the goodest person on earth, there is no person gooder than me
Bask in my majesty
@@pivotresearchfoundation Lmao I thought the same thing, this phrase has been around for soooo long, it's been used in so many different metaphors every day. It's the same energy as being in an interview and asked "What's your greatest weakness" and the interviewee responds with "my greatest weakness.. is that... i have no weaknesses" it's a good message to relay, but we can't credit a youtuber as DEEP because they took a quote off of the 10 most googled quotes of all time kek
Much less make it their brand... the best example of a pure and goodhearted person would be Princess Diana. And never once was she such a preachy blaggard about how important it is to be 'kind' and blah blah blah. It just came naturally to her, her sincere desire to help people showed through unlike Ellen.
Ellen is the amalgamation of toxic kindness, at worst and synthetic kindness at best. She's been shown to be too insensitive on many occasions to be a truly mindful and kind person in my opinion... she's pretty much a feel-good instagram quote
I always thought that soooo funny prank on her show, where they scare the crap out of someone was mean at best. I've got a CNS disorder that means the adrenaline rush from being scared like that is excruciating. Knowing she'd scare me anyway and then everyone would laugh while I was in so much pain I couldn't see straight, well.
None for me, thanks. I'm glad she finally got called out.
I have been in work situations with celebrities where you are briefed ahead of time to not make eye contact with the celebrity -- do not look the star in the eye. This really happens. This actually stems historically from royalty. In ages past you could not look the monarch in the eye. Some celebrities have adopted this protocol and enforce it. It is clearly a statement of status -- being elite. It makes for a very uncomfortable work place. I now decline any work offer with this brief attached no matter how much it pays. It is just too degrading.
pressuring Mariah to drink the champagne to reveal her pregnancy is a breach of privacy, trust...
Like even if she wasn’t pregnant, if someone doesn’t want to drink, don’t pressure them. It’s not silly and cute. But adding the pregnancy to the equation is even worse. As if Ellen just HAS to be right all the time.
Yeah, that was rather shocking. You don't do that to a woman for this exact reason, women don't reveal their pregnancy in the first trimester because that's when most losses happen.
@SLB Productions because lesbian cannot get pregnant?! Wtf are you talking about.
@SLB Productions i promise ellen knew that, its common sense. she was just being a dick.
@SLB Productions just because someone as not been pregnant, that doesn’t make them clueless. Being a lesbian doesn’t make you dumb.
The Mariah thing pisses me off so much. She didn’t need to egg her on about her pregnancy for views or make her drink champagne when she obviously didn’t want to.
That Larry King clip was so hard to watch. You could hear the pain as she tried to laugh it off.
i dont even know what the worst part is, that fact that she thought it would be okay to discuss live without asking mariah or the idea of pressuring someone you think is pregnant into drinking alcohol
Nobody:
Ellen: give a pregnant an ultimatum to drink alcohol to harm the fetus or announce to the world her private business.
Yep. Scum.
@@MonsterTaming420 Ellen made Taylor Swift cry on air. Started pressuring her to talk about dating Zach Efron, and others. I think it was more about power than it was about some noble journalistic endeavor. Taylor Swift exists in a realm of fame where she is almost untouchable, but Ellen knew she was above her. You could even tell she was getting a sick thrill from it too.
That’s evidence of bad judgement, questionable boundaries and an annoying personality but doesn’t equal cruelty or being a shitty person in a larger sense.
Damn these videos are perfect to have on in the background while working on other things and occasionally tune back into. Keep up the great work!
I feel so bad for Mariah when Ellen pressured her into drinking champagne when she very clearly didn’t want to. She looked so uncomfortable and probably felt betrayed by Ellen for doing that to her. Such a traumatising thing to do to someone
She could Always have said no thank you.
A lot of those celebrity tweets defending her along the lines of "she's done so much for equality" pretty much sounds like "she's our token successful gay if we keep her we can pretend everything is fine" to me. Someone doing 'so much for equality' has literally nothing to do with them treating others poorly.
You have a lot of people, of the lgbtqi+ spectrum, that have done, are doing and live for equality.
You have youtubers, office workers, marines, drag queens and so much more that have contributed too.
If Ellen goes away it's not the end for equality, you make the change, you don't need a celebrity.
I don't mean to take away her contributions, but if you are going to defend her go with she's a human being that was portrayed as the happiest and most possitive person in the world and has to live up to that constantly and that she explodes at some point. If you are going to defend someone, defend who they are.
yes. i understand the sentiment in a way- ellen was the only lgbt person my dad would tolerate, and she was an icon for me growing up. i remember busting my ass to get home from school in time to see her show, and not miss the intro bc it was one of my favorite parts. i just really really looked up to her growing up, bc she made me feel like if my family tolerate her, maybe theyll tolerate me after i come out as well. she made me see that being gay isnt always a life ruining thing, and you can make the most of it if you really work for it and have the luck.
needless to say, when i started to notice how ellen has changed over the years, it really disappointed me. i saw the video about her shaming the woman for taking an extra hat for her sister who couldnt come years ago, and my perception of her has slowly changed ever since. she comes off as borderline sadistic in a way, like she enjoys humiliating people. and thats not the worst thing since the people she humiliates usually know what theyre getting into and consent to it (ik someone whos been on the show, got humiliated basically, and fkn loved every second of it. ellen even flew her out to another show and it made her whole year). but it still gives me a weird feeling, like shes very disingenuous.
but yeah, long story short, ellen isnt everything shes cracked up to be. shes done good and i respect her for that, i even thank her for being the LGBT representation i desperately needed as a child. im sure she touched many in the same way she touched me. but that doesnt mean she can treat people that way and expect us to just forgive her like nothing ever happened. and her good doesnt negate the bad, AT ALL. that logic is so fkd up.
Well the rich people did exactly the same with Jefrey Epstein 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️. Rich people doesn't care about other people, they just care about status and money
I would think gay people wouldn't want such a terrible personality claiming to be representative of them in such a prominent way.
Here's a hot take, so read carefully before you jump at me:
*Anyone can be a terrible person, no matter their identity.*
I know, I know. I am very, very controversial...
Forcing Mariah Carey to tell everyone she was pregnant is so awful..... anything can happen in the beginning of the pregnancy, that's why so many people wait to tell loved ones, much less random strangers.
I know she forced her to basically tell the while world that's terrible
Yeah and then she miscarried and had to announce that publicly as well :/
Yeah that really pissed me off too. Way to respect someone’s wishes to remain private about a particular subject.
that’s exactly why SO many women don’t tell people they’re pregnant until at least the second semester. There is such a high likelihood of miscarrying in the first trimester.
The worst thing is that she knew what she was doing... Ellen has always used people as props rather than actually respecting them. She's a textbook manipulative, uncaring narcissist who literally only cares about herself.
I’ve said this before, but I’ve never really fallen for the Ellen “charm.” My roommates in college absolutely adored her, but I just didn’t and when they asked me why I didn’t, I wasn’t sure. Something just seemed wrong. They then accused me of being homophobic. Needless to say, finding out that there was something going on behind the scenes, I felt vindicated.
Studying kindness sort of implies it is an alien concept she doesn't understand. And after 17 years, she still hasn't figured it out.
It definitely is when you have autism.
It sounds like something the poorly written autistic character in a crappy Netflix drama would say lol
I don't understand how Ellen can be absolved of employee mistreatment because "It's not her, it's the show" but then is allowed to take credit for the show's charitable work.
I'd assume most people feel the show/staff/producers etc are more in control of the charity events and the negative stuff but not sure. I'd imagine she felt like the happy performing puppet
I don’t see how she can be absolved of employee mistreatment or that it’s “the show” and “not her”. Surely you should have some level of involvement with your staff - of course you can’t control every single aspect (and especially not as you scale up) but you should at least have a general idea and be somewhat involved with your staff (see the secret boss type series of shows for example).
@@fetchstixRHD yeah she's not responsibility-free, just most likely not an evil mastermind.
She also said "I'm the boss of 270 people". How is it not her if she's the boss? Lol
Because she is a house plant =) That's why.
When I first heard of Ellen as a non-American I had no clue that her slogan is 'Be Kind'. I would have never thought of that, as all the clips I've seen of her is her being obnoxious, belittling younger people or celebrities. IDK what's supposed to be kind about that.
same, this is the first time i’ve heard of her having the whole ‘be kind’ slogan
Goes to show how fake it was. When I see Ellen, all I see is someone willing to go way over the line for the sake of revenue.
She is a kind as magicians are magic. She's a performer, that's all.
As a non-American as well, one of the first clips I ever saw was of her making fun of young people, acting like they live on another planet and supposedly don't know what a phonebook and a map are. I showed my mom and she found it ridiculous and condecending as well, and she is 64.
I’m American and I wasn’t aware of her slogan either. Guess she forgot about it with how often she likes poking fun at ‘millennials’ for not knowing how to use shit like a typewriter. Yet if it was say a straight person poking slight fun at lesbians, they’d get destroyed.
I actually thought that ring of fire was on her set at first. First video of yours I’ve seen and I love the level of editing and the pacing of the dialog. Good shit keep it up.
The level of research far surpasses a lot of video essay Chanel’s I know of. Gives me serious game theory vibes.
This seemed balanced and thoughtful, thank you.
I never understood, that everyone thought she's this great people person. In the interviews she always looks like she doesn't wanna be there.
It’s propaganda. Everyone always say how nice she is, and ofc words spread. My mom’s an Ellen fan and refused to acknowledge all the accusations towards her until now. We can’t assume people are nice because they seem like it on tv or because someone told us they was. And also, her vibe was way off, so I didn’t get why people didn’t sense that
I feel like she always seems to be slightly dismissive. Maybe that's part of the key to her popularity though. She makes you feel just a little as though you have to work for her acceptance, so she seems cooler than she really is.
@Eliza Grogan Yeah I do sometimes think that after Ellen came out and during that point in time with LGBT acceptance being what it was in society she just grew cold from the rejection. Because I've been there with my family at times. However, if that is indeed the case, it still doesn't excuse her behavior. I know it must have been tough, but you can't let it drag your whole positive and ability to trust in people again away.
At least that's how I feel might be just one reason why she's so cold.
She had an evil and hatred in her eyes.
She cringes every time a guest hugs her! Then again, her superfans are ridiculous. I can't imagine crying due to meeting a celebrity, it's so embarrassing to watch.
My blood boiled when Ellen forced a girl who didn't want to admit she was pregnant to drink wine
"A girl"....It was over 40 years old Mariah Carey!
It was Mariah Carey...she did NOT drink it tho because she was pregnant however, she lost the baby the next week.
@@judybodnar1347 wow thats sad
Therefore: Reject media, embrace VTubers
@@judybodnar1347 Wait.... She lost it?
You should never trust anyone that HAS to tell you how nice they are and how much they do for others.
Love your content! You are so intelligent. Subbed
Um, no. When I think of Ellen I think of her passive aggressively laughing at guests she brings onstage.
@@evacesartcorner9840 Well, they should be taught. I was brought up with them and I'm twenty. In fact, anyone who twerks is dumb. Anyone who puts looks over personality is dumb. Anyone who insults another's appearance is dumb. Anyone who insults another's intellectual abilities is dumb (i.e. calling someone or something retarded). Anyone who attacks people for being black or white is dumb. Anyone who attacks people for being trans or cis is dumb. Anyone eho attacks people for being gay or straight is dumb.
@@APoliticalConfusionAndMess while you’re right about people being dumb for those reasons, not every single milennial is like that, and i think the person was just talking about Ellen insulting millennials for not being able to use “outdated” things, like VHS tapes and older telephones.
Right? I was surprised when people where surprised she wasn't nice, I was like, she has never been nice. There are a lot of compilations of her purposely shaming and putting on the spot several guests and audience members, and just acts innocent, but keeps and keeps poking even when the person explicitly tells her to stop or even start crying and you do not see an ounce of compassion in her, like what happened with Ariana Grande. I mean even if it is scripted as some people say, even the persona wasn't nice, polite but not nice. Everything was always aimed towards trapping the victim into embarrassment for the audience to laugh at. She reminds me of the stereotypical noble, that is extremely polite and extremely rude at the same time.
@@APoliticalConfusionAndMess You are speaking on ALL generations with your examples. Also, how hypocritical you are calling millenials as a whole, dumb. I guarantee I could rattle off a whole list of things that you arent familiar with. How can you expect a young person to have knowledge on an utterly extinct method of technology? In fact, I know some 20 somethings that need mommy and daddy to set up drs appts for them or have no idea how to do the most basic of daily functions, but I dont lump all of you together as dumbasses.
@@artistichickory775 Alright. That's fair.
To quote Drew Gooden, "if I had a nickel for everything a rich Hollywood celebrity turned out to be a bad person, I'D have enough money to be a rich Hollywood celebrity."
*cue slow applause*
can't trust the rich and entitled to be otherwise.
The basketball player turned CZcamsr?
@@sawyer8351 the road work ahead guy was in basketball?
Hahaha 😆
I’m a nice guy, respectful. But I don’t boast about being nice. That’s self serving . Be wary of someone that talks about how nice they are day after day.
Im a bit late on this one, but as a fluent dutch speaker I want to add that while the translation is not %100 word for word, it did capture the essence of what was said
Ellen: *shames a 16 year old girl on national television for not knowing how to fold a map or use a rotary phone*
Also Ellen: *Calls Steve Jobs because she doesn't realize she can change the font size on her phone*
Brilliant.
Ellen: Puts a woman in jail for stealing some tat.
Also Ellen: Hangs out with a war criminal.
@@zoeevans6410 double brilliant.
Thanks!
@@zoeevans6410 exactly 😂
Were you watching the same episode I was? Blimey, next you will tell us tRump won the election last November !
Something about Ellen always rubbed me the wrong way. I started feeling this way when I noticed her whole show was just her giving stuff away and being praised like it didn’t feel genuine
Same
I started disliking her especially when she started making the "Millennial vs Baby Boomer" segments. She's just laughing at a random teenager for not knowing how to use a rotary phone. She's also really condescending.
Mr Beast is the next Ellen
Ellen looks shifty, I cant trust someone that resembles Odo from Deep Space 9!
I always thought she was mean without actually seeing her being mean to anyone, I barely saw few clips of her show without watching a single episode and she struck me as fake as shit. Later on I heard these stories... but that was years ago. Weird it got picked up now, her ex employes talked about her openly but nobody gave a fuck including me as I just assumed its probably the same in most shows like this one lmao
I’m still shocked no one walked of Ellen’s show when she began her aggressive questioning and most even returned.
Probably because they knew it would be a bigger deal in the tabloids.
They had more class then to make a scene. Ellen did enough. Mariah kept her composure like a lady.
My sister lived in Ojai across the road from where ellen owned property many years ago when Ellen was with Anne Heche. My sister and her gf literally ran into her at a pet store, and Ellen fell to the floor. My sister apologized to her and they both laughed it off , but when Ellen turned around my sister's gf said Ellen rolled her eyes and whispered coo coo while twirling her finger around her ear not knowing that my sister's gf even knew my sister. To this day my sister idolizes Ellen but her gf can't stand Ellen.
Anyone remembers how Ellen kept asking Taylor Swift about who she was dating, until the poor girl literally broke down and yelled "STOP!" ? Whether you're a fan of Taylor or no, she didn't deserve to been questioned in a manner more befitting of an Inquistion.
Yes
I most certainly do because I remember saying how much I didn’t care for TS as an artist but I most certainly respect her for how she conducts herself as an artist/celeb and as a human in general. I’ll be honest, I thought the same about Ellen because I didn’t know all the drama surrounding her, but in this exact moment you referenced I said to myself Ellen is not a good person….
Ellen is not as good as the values she preaches.
@@laylaminrir people rarely are tbh
Yes! and also how she made Mariah Carey drink wine or something to prove whether she was pregnant or not.
as much as we don’t like ellen she’s sadly not going anywhere she made her money and the old folks like her
My thought exactly.
Not even all old folks, just the old liberal folks.
The thing that hurts is I share those beliefs of kindness she preaches but that image of Ellen I had is destroyed.
Also she's a lesbian. Automatic protection
@@IceQueen975 no, she recently started claiming she’s transgender. I personally don’t believe it and think she’s making it up for brownie points.
That "I've been studying kindness" sounds so wrong 😂 Like doesn't she know what kindness is? Is it so unknown she has to study it? Ellen reading a book "Mmmh.. Human emotions! Interesting.. And what is this? Kind-ness? I need to know more about this!"
Imagine on live television outing someone that is pregnant that is obviously not ready to tell the public. She was pressuring her to either drink alcohol and affect her baby or tell the whole world she was pregnant. That just really annoys me.
Can't stress this enough- DO NOT TRUST people who proclaim to be nice all the time. It should be a rule at this point.
From now on I'm telling people Im bad! Finna use reverse psychology
But I'm a nice guy
That's every "woke" person in existence.
“I’m an empath”
Most Definitely, if you're trying that hard to virtue signal all the time your hiding something
"Kindness is a virtue, not a brand."
Add this to a list of my favorite quotes.
In my experience, kind people rarely have to tell people they're kind, or talk about their own kindness. They just... do it.
Kindness can be very well in being harsh, its really more about caring, patience and acting on that. Yes unions are kind, not state run anyways. And she i man it could be a brand if it were entirely authentic. Also yeah the kindest people dont really see themselves as such, usually. They are more upbeat that they might have hurt someone, whichto be fair, is also a flaw. Getting some training being more confrontal, yeah might be good too. But thats usualy more likely in kind people, taking it more out on themselves and worrying.
Kindness is in the heart, not an action brought on through the brain. It's either there or it's not and I find people who bang on about kindness the most are often the ones lacking. We can all do fake niceness in front of an audience but being kind when nobody is looking is the true indication. Either you have, or you don't and a lot of these celebrities don't have it but pretend that they do because brand comes before genuinely being.
@@calebmcintosh1991 a man who calls himself king, is no king at all
@@rebeccaconlon9743 your wrong man; i'm king of the world and your like WRONG.
I love how you refrain from bias in your videos. It is something that is near impossible to achieve and doesn’t exist on CZcams and I really really appreciate how you take time to show all angles of the story before jumping to a conclusion and then picking the sources that support your conclusion. Keep up the good work!
As a musician I've had my share of people that think I'm the guy on stage 24/7 all year round. I precious my free time with friends and family and I can't be that "cool rockstar" all the time. I need to be alone reading a paper with a cup of coffee. That's proven not so easy. And I can get angry. I understand her. I really do.
I agree with you on that 👍
The crew must have cringed every time she talked about kindness on air.
I' bet on that ! The crew is where you would go to find out how "kind" Ellen actually is....and the truth is....ELLEN I S N O T K I N D when the cameras are not running !
@@Judyjjb this comment will be deleted if i finish the video
Cabal
@peter barlow From what has been reported Peter, it seems to have been mostly, if not all, who were complicit in the fiasco that is the Ellen Show were upper management people. Many of the “regular” staff were fleeing their jobs or just trying to stay stay safe in a toxic workplace. 🤷♀️
@@Judyjjb I agree with that wholeheartedly Judy! And I’m surprised it took so long fir it to finally come to light!
"Where she played the memorable role of Dory."
Heh heh
Thank god i only know the german dub.
Lol where she read lines
@@marocat4749 it's actually great voice acting if you separate the art from the artist.
@@mischr13 And that's the really had thing about it. It's a superb performance but then you remember it's Ellen who did it.
That was the highlight of her career for me, I really never liked her (talk)show full of celebrities and the audience going wild all the time. She was great as Dory, it really was the best of Finding Nemo.
I remember, when people started saying that Ellen was abusing and harassing her talk show staff, my reaction was, "Well, yeah, of course she is. That's half the show."
It was full of pranks, embarrassment, objectification, and bullying, on camera. The only surprising part was her tone-deaf apology, when she tried the pathetic excuse that she hadn't done enough to stop the toxic behaviour creeping in. No, Ellen, you brought the toxic behaviour, you orchestrated it, you initiated it, you normalised it.
She's a sadist masquerading as a fun little comedienne.
She has never touched me. She has shown her true colours many a times
When Ellen said she had been studying kindness,
that sounded like the equivalent of saying “I have studied art for 17 years but I have never actually painted or drawn anything”
Same as shanes constant “im an empath, guys, did i tell you im an empath.. cause im an empath”
"i have studied the blade"
@@Fishy577 "while you were being kind to your employees, I studied the blade"
“Hmm what is this? Is should study it.”
Ellen probably
Like an alien studying the abstract concept of altruism that some humans commit.
one set of videos of ellen that doesn’t sit right with me are the segments with sofia vergara and “teaching her words in english” and you can see how uncomfortable vergara is because she KNOWS english, she just has a heavy accent. that was never funny to me. it was insensitive.
Agree.
agree!
literally everything ellen did was messed up
So true, thanks for saying that! English is my second language, but I speak it every day, enjoy reading, watching films, etc. So I often hear 'how do you know that word???' just bc I have an accent 🙃 accent doesn't equal poor vocabulary or not speaking the language lol
Yea poking fun at her accent is funny that's been part of her character and she does it herself sometimes but the way elan goes about it is awkward at the very least
"Ellen ended racism." lmaoooooooooo I am going to bed now. 😂
😂
Can we just appreciate for a minute how genius that minecraft transition was.
It was pretty good wasn't it ^_^
It was great but it gave me anxiety that they didn't mob-proof the place--
Can someone provide a time stamp? I’m just listening an can’t look through the entire video
Kirbo 54:35
Ty
"I only like to be sponsored by things I really like"
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what a well thought out vid
The reality of working behind the scenes in the entertainment industry is dog eat dog. Stress over losing your job. Demeaning treatment by upper management. Petty vendettas. Overblowing misunderstandings. A constant fear of being blackballed because someone has been offended over issues that can be talked out. Every one of those employees live under constant threat. Moral is always low because everyone is ready to back stab each other. It's a dirty business and a sad existence. Folks ate always talking about each other behind each other's back. If you refuse to stress out like your fellow employees, you are seen as someone who does not take their work seriously. So Ellen is hardly the only one guilty of this. It is rampant and all those in the industry know it. They keep their mouths shut cause they know they are easily discarded. The union members are the only ones with a little protection. But not much.
We live in a universe where the voice actor for a blue fish with short term memory loss is a bad person
Truly the worst timeline
I no longer wish to live on this planet after knowing this fact
No, we live in a world where morality isn't black and white and people all exist somewhere in the grey zone because they're not one dimensional tv characters. If we had thousands of people focusing on the bad or rude shit you've done, you'd come off like a fucking jackass too.
This is the darkest timeline
@@yissssss lol ok nerd.
If someone forced my pregnant girlfriend to drink wine on this show they would be expecting a Lawsuit on my end.
I understand Ellen as a person to poke fun and jokes but, at the extent of someone's privacy and social image, especially when it is a celebrity in front of live audience to drink alcohol while knowingly she is pregnant...
If she only revealed her pregnancy that's already harsh enough but this really got a lot worse.
@Wally Wu Productions or both?
If you think lawyers are the answer then your worse than Ellen. I think the word forced is a bit much. All she had to do is say no
@@chadrowe8452 and all Ellen could do is respect Mariah’s privacy and be responsible. Forcing someone who was pregnant to drink just because they didn’t want to let people know about personal circumstances is disgusting! You would be saying something very different if it was your partner.
the wine was full of Ellenanobots:TM: which form any child in the womb into the 'be kind' variant.
48:00 I was playing minecraft at that time, imagine my fear when i was tunneling and just heard dirt breaking that wasn't coming from me.
I've watched this like a couple of time since it came out and watching it again I just wanted to say rip to Stephen/ tWitch. So so sad what happened. Rest easy boss man. You will be missed
Observe her white clothing when she “apologizes”. The innocent, angelic, kind Ellen has entered the stage. She NEVER wears all white shirt and jacket otherwise.
Good eye
Tbh she wears all white on the escalator scene in the first 8 minutes of this piece. So that doesn’t fly.
Most people that know anything about influencing others wear white clothing when they apologize. This is normal. Look at the apology video of Mika and James Stauffer for example. White clothes and a white bed in the background.
that would be the producers call
Don't be mad because you didn't think of an apology outfit first. We all should have one in our toolkit 😉
Also what she’s preaching isn’t kindness, it’s politeness. Politeness is surface level niceness you can be polite to anybody that’s easy. But being kind and compassionate means standing up against people who are hateful to others, esp vulnerable groups, (think standing up to someone who’s calling another person slurs). And not everyone can be kind.
My problem is when she gets on her high horse and acts like she’s better then everyone else when the truth is she’s just as shitty as the rest of us
exactly, she is friends with some of the most harmful people in recent history, that is not kindness, as you say getting along with them may be polite but it is also cruelty towards those who were hurt by those people.
standing up for someone else is just being self righteous and insulting imo, almost like acting as if that person isn't strong enough to protect themselves
I agree that standing up for someone can be self righteous, though I think there’s a spectrum, isn’t there?
@@gingermaniac5484 I guess so, doesn't really matter if it's a kid standing up for his or her friend. Bit if it's, for example, a white person standing up for a black person when someone calls them a slur, personally I'd be a bit insulted at the fact the white person seems to think black people aren't strong enough or capable enough to protect themselves. It's hypocrisy, and another form of racism in my book. It would be the same if a black person did it to a white person, it's just plain racism.
I will never look at Dory the same way again.
Ellen has always struck me as the exact type of funny person that is so anxiety inducing to be around. The type that will not hesitate to make someone else the butt of the joke no matter who they are or how much it might hurt them. Always feels like there’s a target on me when I’m around people like this.
I guarantee you her reaction to all this genuinely was “hey, i am kind, i just have my bad moments like everyone else” the same way this kind of comedian defends their humor as “hey it’s a joke, some people just take it too personally sometimes”
Anything that threatens their perception of their own behavior is an outlier, they swear!
She seems "nice" in the same way that Shane Dawson is an "empath" 😒
accurate description
Exactly
Yep. Truly nice people and empaths don't go around constantly telling you that they're nice/empathic. They let their actions speak for themselves and hers aren't nice.
HAHA THIS IS SO ACCURATE 😂😂😂😂
epic sweden profile pic bruv
I really like this guy’s narrative voice he talks in cursive 🧐
Lmao I love this comment so much.
Fancy voice
His voice suits the content he makes.
Yes my synesthesia loves his voice. For me, he talks in this thing halfway between print and cursive.
just mmmyes
Keep the videos coming .
👍👍
i am DYING from the edit at 28:17
I always thought it was weird she wanted to be invited to Dakota Johnson's birthday, like they weren't even friends. I would never dream of berating someone for not inviting me to a party. Dakota Johnson is also like "Hollywood Royalty" , daughter of two famous actors, granddaughter of a famous actress, and it made me think that if Ellen could be so rude to her, then she probably is ruder to non-famous people.
These people live in a different world man.
I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a joke.
@@EmilieFiirgaard it still felt like she was trying to embarrass her.
It was meant as a joke and she looks like she knew Johnson could either laugh it off or clap back. Which was true, as we see Johnson have no problem setting her right. There was no imbalance of power there. And you can see that Ellen is truly embarrased by the facts. Her saying she was at a thing was over exaggerated to point out how she knew she messed up. She made herself look stupid to get a laugh and at the same time accept responsibility for the whole thing.
@@marljusweety You know how people accept responsibility? Actually apologizing and showing a change in behavior.
"Kindness is a virtue, not a brand"-TRO
Now THIS perfectly sums up everything👏
Great video! I say I don't have time to watch movies, but then I see something like this and watch all of it lol.
There's usually more than one person involved. There's never just one person at fault. Talk show hosts and the people that work with them are human. Being human means imperfection. The Internet, forgets this more often than it should. This isn't excusing anything anyone might have done. These are just facts about life. Stuff we _need_ to remember. You don't have to agree with people's views, but you don't have to attack them either. "Agree to disagree" is a saying for a reason. We can be peaceful about it.
So what are you trying to say in other words
My 16th birthday is soon so the sponsor came at the right time bruh