Wazukyan is NOT a Villain
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Hello Made in Abyss community! It's been a little while. Before chapter 53 comes out I wanted to get a video out to generate some discussion regarding the most complex character in the entire series Wazukyn. He is often lumped as the antagonist of this ark yet I have a hard time believing in that idea. This video is a small little discussion video where I will try to explain why I feel this way. This is not at all a persuasive piece but a video that simply contains some of my thoughts, and I felt like sharing them.
I would love to hear what you guys think in the comments below! Whether it be about Wazukyan, this entire ark (what you love about it, what you hate about it etc.) or anything really I'd love to hear it down below! - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Most importantly, Wazukyan made food that goes along with Bondrewd's child cartridge juices
A true abyss master chef
*Grab em will their hot*
Was this something I missed in the manga or just a theory? Fucked up if true.
@@BeatlesRoxx13579 I guess it was heavily implied, since they repeatedly mentioned not having any safe food or water sources and they were doomed to death in the sixth layer... and then they weren't after they used the babies as a cure.
I hadn't really believed it until I watched this guy's other video about the cradle of greed. It really... reframes the village
Gordon Ramsay would be proud
LOL that dark
The fact that he explains how he made sure that no part of Irumui’s kids went to waste made me think the same. He grasped on to what he was given and made the best out of it.
When Abyss gives you a bird, ignite its feather as tinder, use its skull as a cooking ware, and cook its flesh with it. Always respect the gifts from Abyss and make the best of them.
@@wulerhaufung9468 *uh ye*
@@DanielRodriguez-so5vv He's referencing Hammer beaks in the first layer. and how raiders use them.
They was eating good sosus
As much as he is a monster. He actually isn't that bad, at most it's a horrible situation where he grasped the only way for survival. I'd say the worst thing he did was giving the 2nd egg. Before that he made due with what was avaliable. It's the trolly problem. Save 1 girl at the cost of everyone and the girl. Or sacrifice the girls happiness and everyone can survive.
I honestly never thought of him as a villain. For me, he is just a very goal-driven person, which translates into him taking big risks and some selfish decisions. Great vid as always, I love learning about other people's point of view!
Thanks for sharing sweetpea! And yeah I agree I’ve just seen some comments floating around about how *he is the reason for everything* and how *he is a terrible person like bondrewd* when in reality I don’t see a connection between someone who uses the lives of children in the name of scientific pursuit and somebody who simply does what nobody else will if itll keep the dreams of his companions alive
He's the exact sort of person you would appoint to sail across the Atlantic Ocean for the New World in search for El Dorado
I don’t think there is a clearly defined villain in this arc, rather two forces that oppose each other for reasons that are justifiable. Wazukyan and Faputa are those two forces.
that's why at first I thought he was the original Bondrewd
Either way as disturbing and messed up his actions were. The way I see it is while selfish he was still a leader who cared about his team. A leader that was put in an incredibly difficult situation with few good options or outs. At least not without abandoning everybody that was sick.
I love how poetically tragic it is that Wazukyan is actually very selfless when it comes to his squad and he is even willing to eat bugs and grass so he can spare more food to his team yet this selflessness pushes him into becoming more selfish for others. It is really ironic how his selflessness becomes selfishness and needs of his people. This right there was a true leader. He did everything he did to save his people.
Exactly! This just confirms that Wazukyan is truly a victim in all of this. There was never an antagonist in this arc, the antagonist has been and always will be, The Abyss itself. I love that it takes people's defining traits, and turns it against them.
With Bonedrewd being someone who firmly believes in family and love, only to have his ideals become so twisted and wicked. Too Wazukyan being the optimistic leader who wants to bring his and the dreams of ganja to fruition, but ultimately becoming a demon in doing so.
Idk, saving Vueko only prolonged Irumyuii's torment. Vueko intended to die with the other Cradle in order to try and mercy kill Irumyuii and stop the cycle that she would eventually be trapped in. By saving her life, Wazukyan damned Irumyuii and the souls of her children to that cycle of balancing that became the foundation of the village.
@@lukerosales5879 We don't know if Veuko's self termination would have resulted in anything different. From my point of view, Wasakyn was just making whatever choice would keep the most people alive. He didn't have any idea what the final outcome was going to be.
@@whitemagus2000 actually he himself confirmed that Irumyuii grew weaker without Vueko's presence when she got sick. It was hinted that if Vueko had been out of the picture, Irumyuii would've deteriorated and died.
@@lukerosales5879 and he saved dozens more lives doing that to Vueko and Irumyu
How about we explore the opposite decisions.
1) Doesn't let Veuko give Irumyuui the cradle of desire. Everyone dies of the parasitic infection.
2) Doesn't eat Irumyuui's babies. Everyone dies of the parasitic infection and starvation.
3) Doesn't gove Irumyuui a second cradle to try and stop her death. Who knows.
Seems like each of his choices was to try and keep as many people alive as possible. Even keeping Veuko alive seems to have been to protect her from herself and give some kind of comfort to Veuko and Irumyuui.
"Humans can be so very selfish, if its for somebody else" that hit different. Can I use this as a quote?
*Absolutely*
Creatures that aren't selfish enough die out. Nature is as uncaring as the abyss. Even normally vegetarian animals might eat baby animals, if the opportunity arrives.
I never saw him as a villain either. I honestly figured he hoped to find the Golden City but would be happy with whatever he found because the rest of his group was what brought him enough joy that it didn't matter. I figured the whole prophecy stuff was just him going mad from being so far down in the abyss for so long and still operated under compassion. I don't know how he figured out that Iryuumi's children cured the water monster problem, but the fact he did his best to not let it go to waste demonstrated that he still had some level of humanity left in him.
Well said! He without question isn’t morally a good person but his intentions aren’t to save his own skin, it’s to protect the dream that everyone shares. To protect the future of him and his people.
The prophecy was something he had mentioned before arriving in the abyss (with talk of sages and how the compass choose veko and how his revelations are never incorrect), my belief is that he likely did have somekind of premonition that he genuinely believed in and whether it was real or not we have no proof to confirm it or deny it, but the way everyone believes in Wazukyn hints that he does have something that nobody else has (the ability to make dreams a reality).
Dude is like reverse griffith
Nah bro Griffith did nothing wrong
@@loganchauvin9667 i am surprised people hate griffith the guy only betrayed his friends for his own desires, gave his friends a horrible slow death which is getting eaten alive by demons
Raped a women that devoted everything to him in front of the man that loved her
Also he cut that mans arm and eye marked him with a mark that will make him get persued by demons for the rest of his life
@@malekbaroud1094 lol
I haven't really read the manga yet, but I love the fact that he only ever ate pests and random plants immediately after a scene of where there is doubt about if the groups' supplies would last.
Its as if he, the leader, would rather put up with scarcity than let his group suffer.
IKR!? THATS SUCH A GOOD LITTLE TIDBIT!
He has always put the ganja first, even in small actions like those that go unrecognised.
As a leader, he doesn't just think outside of the box... he consistently puts his life on the line for the slimmest chance to discover a breakthrough for the benefit of his people. Excellent foreshadowing!
Once the manga is over I want a video game of made in abyss
I also wouldn't mind a spin-off made in abyss series about life in orth or the adventures of other delvers from 2000 years ago :D
i want to learn about the creation of the abyss
Mitty I’m sure that will be revealed near the end of the series. I’m hoping that the reveal will be a twist that changes your perception on events that happened in the series, so that it gives a lot of value to rereading the series.
@@mitty9689 you will probably see the answer at the end
The manga i gonna end in maybe 5 years if we are lucky
When I think of the Ganja corps and specially Wazukyan it reminds me of the story when the survivors of a crashed airplane had to eat the bodies of other people to survive or similar cases of canibalism where people got stuck in a blizzard, island, mountain, etc. Of course in those cases (as far as we know) it is quite different in a moral scale considering most of the bodies people ate were of people already dead but the instinct of self preservation and trying to save others in a critical situation is quite similar.
Yeah exactly, we wouldn’t know what it’s like to be in that situation and we don’t know the absolute extent of our moral compass because we haven’t been tested to that point. I feel like when we are forced into situations as dire as that, morality falls second to keeping ourselves alive
It's interesting that, unlike the famous Survivors of the Andes movie, the people who were against eating the bodies were OK with others doing so, as long as they didn't, and the people who ate the bodies were OK with the others allowing themselves to die from starvation, as long as they didn't force them to die too. Overall, exactly the opposite of the movie, everyone acted reasonably and rationally.
People, especially nowadays, ignore that morality is a tool for social survival (let's take any "imaginary friends in the sky" dispensing said morality out of the equation), not an absolute. Especially because said people treat morality as an absolute based on THEIR personal values and views, which they usually want to impose on everyone else.
Was it so hard for them to go out and hunt for their meat?
@@DrawinskyMoon The situation with the airplane as far as I remember is that they were on a very complex site to do that as it was in the middle of the mountains, most specifically the Andes were there are part of terrain most of it is only rock and for vegetation only very small wild grass, and for animals well no access to water in the zone they were and the species in there normally don't live in zones like that for their lack of resource. That combined that they were on a specially cold zone, and that a lot of the survivors had injuries and so a lot of the time was consumed in trying to help them in what they could. For more info it was the Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 accident.
@@DrawinskyMoon unless there's a survivalist, actual hunter, maybe even a hiker amongst them.. it's very unlikely for people to hunt for food.. we have been spoiled by modern life so much, nobody carried knives or weapon anymore, especially when entering airport+airplanes. Also the skill to make hunting tools from scratch isn't easy either.. and most people's hands are too delicate/risk wound+infection if they're making stone age stuff..
I'm a hiker and on an initiation test/event in my uni-days, I was surprised to see that I was the only one amongst my peers to bring a fucking knife! (Beside the girl who's tasked to bring cooking stuff, and it's among other eating utensil). The knife's small and hanging on some sort of necklace (some kind of name tag necklace) along with a whistle, and kept under my shirt just to be safe. It was a must for my mom to let me go on a hike, as she was a hiker herself and heard some stories. At minimum, a knife's a must for survival, even if for some reason I got separated from my stuff/bag, the whistle is to call for help with less energy than screaming. I wouldn't be able to keep this knife and whistle on my person if I board a public airplane tho..
*Shows Nanachi*
Mickell: Best unconfirmed and it drives me mental.
Me: Your not the only bro lol.
I like the ambiguity, it adds a lot to the story, especially with how nanachi and reg interact. keeps you guessing.
What? Why? What does that matter?
@@redomer91 feeling of knowing something is confirmed for sure brings comfort.
I only just fond out it's unconfirmed. I never once doubted Nanachi being a girl, so I never even realized they never actually confirmed that.
The author has actually confirmed Nanachi's gender. it's up to interpretation.
So they might aswell be nonbinary
But I mean, I think he's only seen as a bad person *ONLY* *IN* Vueko and Irumyuui's eyes
Her babies aren't even human to begin with. And he did that to help others, just like the quote "one for all"
I'm just an Anime only, please don't just me :((
Irumyuu also began to turn into stone. The situation is hopeless. In any case, everyone would have died... He was the only one who could move out of all. I think everything would have ended with the death of everyone, if something had not been done urgently.
Bro, ngl I would put senkus' colors onto belafu and they would probably look the same
Wazukyan is complex. I do not approve of his actions, but can see his reasoning behind them. I feel like if there were better alternatives, he would have taken them. Still, he's culpable in their current situation, so we'll just have to see how things play out. Nice examination.
No one is truly villainous in Made in Abyss,
Even Bondrewd.
Which is what i like about made in abyss
To survive the abyss you have to be messed up in the head, theres no doubt in my mind
Human morality doesnt count here and is what will get you killed.
I honestly am worried about Riko. When will she lose it? For a child shes extremely strong, mentally that is.
True that, even Bondrewd (while being incredibly amoral) couldn’t truly be called evil. Twisted are the ways of the abyss.
@@abysschef5078 bin a while since I read the manga - but how is bondrewd not evil? Did he actually have redeeming qualities?
@@clb4947 it’s the whole ends justify the means thing, he has helped delvers a lot with his research and actively makes the abyss a safer place, his cartridges if completed would allow people to be able to return from the abyss and would lead to even further discoveries and relics, not to mention he is also trying to prevent some mysterious cataclysmic event that happens in or around the abyss every Xthousand years (which is why there are old skeletons from some old civilization around the abyss). But at the end of the day he is a mad man turned insane by the zoaholic and by his obsession of the abyss.
He also genuinely loves the children he uses in his experiments, he even loves the main cast and wants them to succeed on their journey.
It’s these things that make him go beyond being just evil for the sake of evil.
I am more worried about Riko's mother... Honestly she just feels like the final boss
@@LuchoZeta9 yeah she kinda does feel like one,the letter sounds like a fkin challenge,if she is the final boss then hopefully she looks like a damn biblical angel by now
They were faced with a hopeless situation that required someone to make a quick decision. Wazukyan did what was necessary at the expense of his own conscience, and he did it so no one else would have to come through that. He wouldn't want anyone else from the group to bear that burden, so he brought it all on himself. I think that he was an incredibly admirable character who fought against all odds, when a group of people without any knowledge of the abyss made it into the 6th layer - the domain of white whistles alone. Despite all that, he still managed to retain his laid-back attitude, he always put on a brave face in front of Vueko - reassuring her and encouraging her to push forward - and he never stopped caring for his group of adventurers. Not only was he a great leader, he was a great mentor as well.
Solid response honestly! Couldn't agree more!
I love that he essentially will do whatever it takes to bring the dreams of everyone to reality. If he must become a devil, to be the angel that brings the team salvation, he will willingly become a monster. That is what is required of man in the abyss, they need to surpass their own limits. It is why I firmly believe, he could have totally become a true White Whistle.
honestly just thought Wazukyan was doing what was the mostly logical way to keep everyone on his team allive.
besides what do you expect him to do with a mountain of dead babies, chuck them off a cliff, nah fam only one logical extreme aside from weekend at berneying the dead babies is to comp down on them
To Wazukyan these babies weren't even considered people. In his mind, they were organisims that were born to be fed on, plain and simple. I genuinely think his character is so compelling because, even he, has other people's safety in mind but isn't afraid to go the distance in order to protect them. He is doing what he believes must be done as the leader, even if it means becoming the devil.
Plus those aren't babies lol, they don't even resemble a human and they don't have any humanoid characterstics so I can't hardly call them babies. But I guess it comes down to one's definition of a baby human. What is a human?
@@TheMickellPickell the road to hell is paved with good intentions. then again he sorta already is in hell.
I never once viewed Wazu as the villain and frankly I relate with him on some degree. In an apocalypse scenario if I had to choose between my friends and family and another group I’d most certainly choose the former. It’s not any genuine malice against Iru that he decides to feed her babies to his people, but rather a last ditch effort to ensure their survival. The Abyss is a brutal reality and if you don’t adapt, you die, even if that means becoming ‘evil’.
Couldn't agree more. If it meant becoming a "monster" to save those I care about, I would have totally done the same thing Wazukyan did. I think writing like this is such an effective way to make your characters all the more memorable which is why Wazukyan wins the top spot for best character in this new arc for me personally
He offered Vueko - Irumyuii's mother - a chance to kill and cook her grandchildren. That was highly insensitive of him.
@@lukerosales5879 lol, insensitive. That's quite the understatement.
You HAVE TO update this with the new chapter how everything went south with the village and it was tearing down, yet he STILL protected the village from the rain that could potentially kill them.
Literal PROOF THAT WAZUKYAN IS A GOOD GUY ❤️💕❤️💕
No see no problem. Wakuzan BASED AF.
Irumyi wanted to be a mother? Checked
Most of his company alive? Checked
Get a weirdo promised Golden city in the middle on HolyShietHell, -Checked
Why do much drama for those babies? They were not even human and meant to die soon.
Wakuzan never even got them to waste.
Many saying he is worst than bondrewd. Wakuzan sacrified the humanity of ONE little girl to save the life of his piers and make Haven in Hell.
Bondrewd just turn to monsters un a painful manner hundreds of children that he LOVED and BONDED deeply, for mere cientific curiosity and to have a blessed superbody that he got to waste mere seconds after he got it. All that hell for nothing.
And u hate Wakuzan, Jesus effing christ.
Wazukyan is such a brilliant character. Can’t stress how genius his writing is. Really hope anime-onlys also feel as gripped as I did when reading the manga to his character ❤️
I agree wazukyan is an complex character and i think at the beginning his desicions were justified. he gave the wish egg to uryum so he might save her. he cooked the dead babies so he and his group could eat. but then he began to eat the ones that were alive and even worsened uryum ondition with the second egg. at that moment he became a villain he was just satisfying his (and his peoples addiction. still he is very much sympathtic villain and very beleivalbe people would slowly lose their morality that way.
Completely agree. At the start in a horrible desperation. They devoured the dead and then the living probably thinking they'll be dead in a day anyway.
The soup saved them but that second egg was the turning point. There was no need for that.
@@night_hunter4752 wasn't the second egg given because she was dying once vuelko collapsed since they were connected?, and he began to "use" the live childrens because they didnt have enough to save the rest of the group, now when he truly lost me was with the third egg but until a certain point I feel he did the necesary
@@BARDI77 plus the live children were necessary as being more fresh removed the infection. And even with the third egg, eh, he didn't do anything evil, and if it wasnt for that then he probably would've died aswell
Really no one in Made In Abyss is an “villain”, not even Bondrewed even though he is a monster.
The Abyss is the only villain but its just an environment so not really either
The difference between a "hero" and a "villain" is more thinner than one can think.
His personality is very different from most villains I've seen. And for some reason I don't feel hatred when he's on screen.
I don't even understand why someone thought Wazukyan was a villain at all. In given circumstances, his decision was tough, but unavoidable. Irumyuui's "children" was unviable and wasn't even a sentient beings. Meanwhile, Wazukyan had his people dying. He made his decision and I wouldn't blame him at all. For the record, I don't belong to the "Bondrewd did nothing wrong" crowd. Bondrewd DID things wrong and his "scientific triumph" is a really poor excuse for his deeds. Bondrewd belongs with a likes of dr. Mengele and Shiro Ishii, no matter how he's charismatic.
this was a good idea for a video, there's a lot to the characters in this series, that along with the excellent setting and world building, which in turn is tied back to characters, by the abyss itself being a character of its own. just the fact that Tsukushi is able to explore much more natural feeling characters, which aren't tied down by the tropes they are born from, is really refreshing, especially in the context of anime/manga, which tends to have many one note characters rather than allowing them to be influenced by the setting like in MiA. He is definitely a detail oriented person considering how well the abyss flows together cohesively with all the little details of flora/fauna and even the geography, without falling apart. Honestly , the main plot of Riko following her mom/Reg finding his origin is mainly interesting only based on the mysteries established by the setting. now that we got to see the minds of a couple white whistles, its far more interesting to see what Lyza is up to, same with Reg, as we descend and learn more, it only becomes more interesting. I especially enjoy the way "antagonists" are handled. Rather than people who intentionally stand in the way of the protagonists, acting evil for the sake of the story, they feel like others who just happened to meet them, and their motives actually feel quite real. In the case of Bondrewd, he even mentions how similarly Riko thinks, and it again echoes through Wazukyan with the entire idea of "ends justify the means". it begs the question then, is that the attitude of those who can push through the abyss, or is that simply an effect of being in there for so long? is the "longing" the raiders and ganja feel a genuine feeling, one to discover the secrets the abyss holds, or is it simply a trap of the abyss, meant to draw more victims ever towards it? Is the title of Ozen not only based on her raw power, but also her steadfast mind, that refuses to be consumed by the longing that would lead her to the point of no return like many others? Those questions, along with the star compass true purpose, really gives you an eerie feeling regarding the true intentions of the abyss. But even still it never is outright stated, which i really enjoy, we will never know if Bondrewd was actually amoral before he started delving in the abyss, or if he too was simply dragged along by the whims of the abyss, losing his humanity in the process.
Anyways sorry for the essay, I'm not sure if its even coherent or gramatically correct, tldr, I just wanted to express how much i enjoy the way this story handles the characters and their motivations in tandem with the setting they live in, especially the antagonists.
en Brilliantly said!! The world building around characters and forcing them to change is an incredibly rare thing to see in story telling which is why I love Made in Abyss so much. It’s only been about 50+ chapters but you really get a sense that people have been here a LONG time and that the abyss genuinely has been changing people for years! And I’m so glad you mentioned the *human* element of these characters. Initially this video was about how Made In Abyss produces memorable characters because they aren’t transparent like most traditional Japanese anime/manga stories. It feels that our characters have felt loss and have felt change and are not forged by a “personality” but by genuine time and experience.
I also love the ambiguity of this franchise. It’s one of the only few abstract anime’s that give you 10 questions each ark and maybe 2 brief answers. Even if we don’t find out absolutely everything, I am content with not knowing...I usually want my stories tidied up, but not knowing for some reason feels just as exciting!
Akihito is a genius writer, made in abyss without question is an underrated masterpiece 💕
It's hard to think of anyone of the Ganja corps as villainous. They are all just desperately trying to survive in a hostile environment, knowing that they'll never escape from it. He is (like Bondrewd) a very goal-driven person and tries to make the best out of the situation, even if it takes some sacrifices. What he did to Irumyuui and her children is indeed questionable, but cannibalism does happen if people are desperate enough to stay alive.
Apart from Veuko, wazukian was my favourite from this arc
Same, he's very well written character. I also like belaf
@@rorosami3707 I’m quite a fan of him too but I wish he would have had more screen time
Couldn't agree more 🙏
Here is the big difference between Bondrewd and Wazukyan for me:
you actually SEE the people that benefit directly from Wazukyan's actions. It's easy enough to say that Bondrewd's discoveries helped people. What people? What discoveries? To me it seems the most useful of his discoveries, were kept to himself. Which is not even unusual for White Whistles, but (and obviously this DOES NOT happen) if you tell me Bondrewd sacrificed 100 kids to find a cure for the birthday death disease, I want to see that cure, and I want to see the list of names with photos. Be open about it, if it's such a worthy cause. Instead, it's hidden, because someone might not like the process.
But with Wazukyan, you know what he did, you know who it helped, specifically. And none of it was to benefit solely him. And for the sake of argument? If Wazukyan's prediction ability allowed him to know from the moment he met that kid, that he would sacrifice her to save his people? Even if he knew in detail what he would do, and still did it? Still better than Bondrewd, simply because you see every detail of the process, from the act itself to how it saved someone.
Even Riko feels a different way about these guys. What Bondrewd did was unforgivable. But Riko is able to understand Wazukyan, where she can't with Bondrewd (though I guess it's mainly because Prushka was a friend, not some person Riko only learned of after they ceased to exist as a person).
I feel it should also be noted that all of the newborn creatures Wazukyan has sacrificed (or... cooked, rather) were devoid of obvious intellect at that point and were going to die very soon anyway. Meaning it's hardly different from farmers eating chickens and their eggs. All animals are food, no matter how you look at it. The girl, which produced them, was the only victim, yet alternative was death without meaning, which... is way worse anyway (existing AND having an actual purpose totally beats unexisting). She willingly accepted every one of them inside of her. I honestly feel that destroying the village means nullifying her sacrifices. Killing own mother (even if it's just a giant village) to take revenge on those who granted her wish and made her existence meaningful... whom she cared about and guarded from an outside world... now that's an act of a true villain. No?
@@GraaD-87 killing Irumyuii was more of a mercy. She was in a constant state of agony and Wazukyan only prolonged that - no matter how noble his reasons seemed, he made Irumyuii's last moments of life a living hell. What Faputa did to the village was the equivalent of euthanizing her mother and ending what was probably years of suffering.
@@lukerosales5879 I see... It didn't occur to me that she was suffering still. Seeing how calm and safe the village is nowadays, I assumed this tower of stone is beyond feeling anything at this point. Her children were never taken away again ever since she became a village, and it's the only thing that truly bothered her... But you're right, it's probably true given how Faputa was programmed for this mission from the moment of her birth. Somehow I missed that part of the reason, because Faputa only talks about taking revenge upon those who used her mother, but it kind of makes sense now, sosu.
@@GraaD-87 And also Irumyuii's sacrifice still gave everyone a Long happy life. Longer than a normal human would live. They got their life from Irumyuii's sacrifice and Faputa just came to collect the debt owed for the sacrifice.
I see more similarities between the two than differences. They just have different perspectives and ways of achieving their goals.
Somehow I can relate and understand his way of thinking, he's not necessarily a bad guy, but he's just a person who put survival above everything.
So there's a survival colony building game called Rimworld that I play a lot.
The goal of this game is to build and survive in a hostile planet while enduring any disaster the game throw at you.
There would be a point where you must throw away any moral limit to overcome the disaster and rely on something like cannibalism, raiding, organ harvesting.
This story about "Ganja settler" reminds me about that game. And what Wazukyan did isn't based on evil intention but a necessary measure to maintain the survival of the whole group.
Damn, Rimworld sounds fucking insane. I might have to pick that up at some point.
You're right on the money with your view. With the abyss being notorious for pushing people past their limits, Wazukyan's tolerance is simply far beyond morals. He is willing to go the distance to bring ganja the salvation it needs, and do whatever it takes to see his prophecies realised. While he isn't a morally correct character, he is a more than understandable one. I love his writing so much
Honestly I wasn't that horrified from his actions since I have played RimWorld and yeah survival will make you ditch all morals and humanity. This issue is a massive reason why I say morality is truly relative and is human made. The best you can do is ensure less suffering for all involved just like I do in RimWorld.
Hello fellow RimRims 😁 Maybe that's why his mindset also crossed my thoughts.
This dead is fresh My people are dying. It's human but doesn't look it. These creatures are unable to live beyond a day and cannot feed. Why not take it alive. All to save my people.
He is more of a circumstances villain. The villain that literally don't have any choice.
Wazukyan did nothing wrong in hindsight aside from giving the wish eggs. Even then they were all dying even Irumui. They were given a hail mary of a 1 in a million chance. The robots warned them not to use the eggs for adults only kids. The youngest was Irumui.
Not like prior they had any better chances. They were all outcasts. They were called the "Suicide Squad" band of misfits. On the way to the island they lost all but their own vessels suffering from food losses and sickness. They were forced to stay in the 6th layer due to the curse. 6th had unholy abominations.
Then in it they adapted and a hope with a cave water source. They were surviving and starting to prosper. Then it all went to hell. The abyss took over.
People getting sick from the water being a live bacteria organism thing. He was their leader. He made the decision. P sure he even went insane like belaf just hid it very well.
Then eating the kids. They were destined to die already. If Irumui or whatever was left of her like mitty being just a response than thinking then she was lost already. He used every part of the kids so none went to waste.
The ending was probably the best as he knew they wouldn't survive too well as humans. So having a way to be rebuilt to better suit the environment he took it.
Putting veenma inside Irumui's head to keep Irumui calm and prevent her from destroying herself and them. All 100% justified.
The only thing he did wrong was the god complex of his. We all can judge from an outside view but put yourself in their shoes his specifically.
You got a group of thirsty starving and sick unwanted yourself too! You cannot go further down or you'll most likely die. Can't go back up same result. Can't explore well the area same result. Even if so no data so you're on your own. Water kills you faster. Then you get this problem solver via cannibalism. All you gotta do is swallow your morals and go through with it.
At that point death is stealing and taking the easy way out. Least he saw it through till the end. Ngl if i was there i'd probably relieve command to 2nd in line and turn off the lights forever. I'd probably go insane like belaf did when he saw what the soup was made out of.
He's not a protag or antag. Wazukyan is more of a surreal leader. Given with what he had he made do. Notice he never really gets mad or curses anyone or anything. He wants to establish a place for them all. He did but im p sure deep down he knew what was about to unfold.
"Humans can be so very selfish if it's for somebody else"
Fantastic video. Love to see more MIA content!!
Diamondtron7 Aye thanks so much!! ❤️ I’ll be sure to do more stuff like this in the future! 😁
The problem that leaders can never avoid is
If you can sacrifice a part, you can exchange for the happiness of most people
what you will do
Wazukyan is a neutrally aligned character who pursues his ambition until the bitter end. Much like Bondrewd and other characters obsessed with their destiny, he is willing to sacrifice anything, including himself, to protect and pursue his ambitions. In more simple terms, Wazukyan is the protagonist of his own story; everything that happens along the way to the conclusion of his story, as far as he's concerned, serves as a means to an end.
I think this statement rings true and also drives to home how much time itself had affected him. While he pulled most of the strings during his journey to the abyss. By the end of it, he's barely able to control the situation when the trio arrive in the village. Only few things go according to plan but for the most part he lets Riko, Reg and Nanachi make the decisions that ultimately lead to the end of the village. He becomes nothing more than a victim of the main character's decisions, nothing more than a side character. I really like that fall from grace, its subtle but well executed.
This just recommended to me after todays episode.
LOL How fitting 😂
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
"You will always be the protagonist, but you will not always be the hero."
He reminds me of Askeladd from Vinland Saga
*I can see that, good comparison of character !*
He's my favorite character and I'm glad I found this video! you have expressed all my thoughts about this whole situation. Thanks
Glad to hear some like-mindedness! I think he is brilliant and super complex. I love how even until the end of this arc, you really don't know the extent of his plan and what he truly believed in/wanted to achieve. Such brilliant writing honestly!
Holy shit Mickell
I knew you were working on a MIA vid for a while but I'm genuinely blown away
Glad you liked it Dishy!! Still got some more animated chapters to come 💕
4:48 I would say that Machiavelli was a believer of "Desperate times call for Desperate measures" rather than "The end justifies the means" and in that way there's a similarity to Wazukyan imo.
I agree that Machiavelli’s decisions were more driven by *what are “objectively” the best outcomes* while subsidising factors that are second nature to people like us such as morality.
I feel he falls into both these ideas quite well. Thanks for the input Foogi! 😊👍
Yeah. And Bondrewd is more of "The end justifies the means"
I think that Wazukyan is a wish gone rampant. He wants this adventure, to be this leading force. And while the wish started with good intentions, its become corrupted. There's so many instances into his descant into madness and his transformation that he refuses to empathize with the world. Rather he's empathizing with his vision of the world. People's sacrifices are seen less as sacrifices and more like everyone's happy to do their duty to the goal. To him, they all want the same thing, so the consequences of actions are (for lack of a better word) inconsequential if they lead up to what they all want. Over time, it feels like he's created this blissful ignorance of how people actually feel, their true motivations, and their long term affects. When Vueloeluko is trapped in Irumyuui's head, he acts almost like he did the right thing by imprisoning her. That if anything, he did her a favor and looking over Irumyuui will make her happy. He completely disregards the pain she's actually in though. His ultimate goal is no longer about his people, its about one last adventure. And if they all die trying to have it, then he believes its a death they would all welcome. This is the greed of a wish.
The line you said at the end of the video "humans can be so very selfish if it's for somebody else" that is a really good fact that applies for a lot stories in anime or even real life.
your video was in my 'watch later' for months waiting for me to finish the anime, and god it was worth it the video is really good, keep it up!
I'm so glad this video holds up so many years later! Appreciate you making my videos a part of your day :)
SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 60 ONWARD
Being a villain kinda requires evil intent, while Wazukyan did everything he did to fulfill the wishes of the Ganja, which was inherently selfless. He took it to its logical conclusion, the absolute extreme, rather like Bondrewd. But UNLIKE Bondrewd, he was not willing to sacrifice his Ganja family. I think he viewed what happened to Irumyuui as, in the end, technically what Irumyuui wanted, and didn't view it as bad (even though it kinda totally was). This is further cemented in his willingness to die once he was certain his people would be able to continue on. It was fine if they went on without him, because it was never about him. Now, as a part of Faputa, the Ganja have become something greater than human, and found satisfaction to their eternal "homesick longing".
No morality is not intent but action.
sounds like Wazukyan is a show of the depths of kin selection. Bondrewd did what he did for science so that people could permeate the 5-6 barrier and come back up alive, so that, eventually, the cruel means he has come up with, which is too involved to fully exploit, is outmoded by something cleaner and more effective. Wazukyan does what he does to make sure they can survive to make it to that promised land, even if his crew disagrees with the methods. both are committed, and both are despicable, but at the same time, they are not selfish, and the root goals are noble, but the abys twisted those goals, twisted them, made them monsters made from humans, both in flesh and in soul.
Thing is there were no good options for him to take, he took the one option that allowed them to survive, the only other option was death. The Abyss is a living hell.
Its impossible to hate this arc, it's so good
Sadly there are actually a lot of people who dislike this arc ;n; I think their hate comes down to being confused about what is happening in the story. Though I imagine it's only confusing to readers because of the giant pauses between chapters. I haven't had that issue as I'm actively editing the manga, but I can see why it is hard to follow due to the 4 month breaks Akihito tends to take. Made in Abyss isn't a crystal clear story to understand after-all!
So chap 30 made me drop the book since I'm not exactly emotionally stable, so can someone kindly explain what happens and spoil the entire book?
On a side note, this video's cover got me interested in what book it was, but cuz I didn't want spoilers I decided to read it first. Still not gonna watch it, but since this video got me there I might as well ask for info here. On a side note, I did get to find out the source for a meme about that Branweed guy, or whatever his name is, my memory is trash. Anyways, answers and info would be greatly appreciated.
i think the reason he create the village is for Riko group to go to the bottom, he know he's not going to the end so every acts he did was preparing for them to go further down, create the village, faputa, white whistle, everything he did was for a purpose, even Vueloeluko's de'a''t'h he's foreseen it all. Like he said "it's the accumulation" it's the power of everyone has ever crave for the bottom of abyss that let them to that moment, he's just a path of the journey and those kids are at the end of it
an excellent video. i’d also like to mention how belaf and wazukyan are very interesting foils to one another.
wazukyan, as mentioned in the video, takes “the ends justifies the means” but for the sake of his people, unlike for survival and knowledge’s sake like best dad bondrewd (the latter who i’d fight in a parking lot). even as a narehate, he did seem to specifically keep vueko in irumyuui’s head because he was aware of how much they cared for one another. he is, like you said, a person who does selfish things for selfless purposes.
belaf is different. he starts out the story as someone very intense but kind, comforting vueko when he noticed her lack of self-esteem. and his striking, clear blue eyes symbolizes that kindness-which was his downfall and what ultimately turned him into a narehate, because unlike wazukyan he was horribly guilt-ridden over his eating irumyuui’s children. when he became a narehate he got rid of his eyes, a symbol that he gave up his previous kind nature. and even when he was begging to be left behind to die wazukyan insisted he help him forward to survive.
(i’d actually really like to see you do a similar video on belaf-there’s a lot to dissect with him too)
but again: i agree with a lot of what you said in this video. wazukyan’s not my favorite made in abyss character, but he’s most definitely a very well written character who i love.
Well said!! Wazukyan is without a doubt an incredibly in-depth character whose so well written that nothing feels concrete about him. The fact that we can even speculate and theorise proves that the motivations of Akihito’s characters are so vague and ambiguous that they genuinely feel human enough to interpret.
I adore the correlation you have made between Belafu’s final appearance and his previous one. I speculated for a while that his eyes were his defining feature, that he uses them to witness things of beauty and to read of things of interest. But when he was faced with the harsh reality of his decisions, the sheer guilt alone almost makes me feel like he no longer wanted to see, as if he had felt no right to be witness of his own future. He wanted to die.
I think it falls right into the idea of shifting forms based on a person’s desires. Belafus form likely resembles the beauty he yearned for but will never be able to see because he feels no right to see it. Then again, that’s all just speculation 😁
Cheers for watching! I’d love to do some stuff on Belafu if I’ve got the time 👌
@@TheMickellPickell watch this if you didn't see it yet czcams.com/video/YjrLNt_l3cU/video.html
Not a villain, but a complex character that cannot be named as the bad guy. Just... he does what he need to do(all for the team). still wondering how the other White Whistles gonna be, good or bad, i just hope for more complex-twisted-interesting things as the story proceds in the next arc (hope so.)...and how the main characters would be by then.... after their decisions and actions.
Honestly if someone told me "you either keep your newborn's corpses and your mother and all your friends die, too, or your mother and all your friends live but your already dead newborns will be turned to food medicine" I would hundred percent go for option 2, no matter how distraught.
Thats the thing about this series. As morally terrible as Wazukyan's actions are, its a decision that is saving peoples lives at the same time. I love that even he clearly knows its awful but given the circumstances, he doesn't really have a choice.
@@TheMickellPickell exactly. I honestly don't understand why people call him a villain (having said that, I haven't read past that point because I'm rationing the story so it lasts longer!) Not only that, but morality can only exist in so far as it doesn't contradict itself. Letting people die out of unwillingness to carry the burden of going against morality - a morality that can only exist in a civil man-controlled environment - without asking said individuals whether they would rather die or not through the consumption of a dead thing is, in itself, even more morally wrong. It would be essentially be letting people die because of your own standards. Heck, if I were the newborns and I were told after I died naturally I would be indispensable in so far as I would be eaten to save lives, I'd be cool with it. Like sure, funerals are good for us who wouldn't gain anything from the eating of the dead, but damn is it better to know my death - and therefore my life - were worth so much to others.
In a lot of ancient civilisations it was considered a sign of respect to eat the dead. It's like saying "everything about you had value, and through us you will live on".
Desperate decisions made as sympathetic as he could without going crazy
One of the reasons I adore the Abyss is moral ambiguity. I even do not consider Bondrwed a villain. No. So I do agree with you. Too deep. It is difficult to be living in a BLACK&WHITE paradigma, sure. But the Abyss is not about that.
So true! Even I agree that Bondrewd despite being a pivotal obstacle in the main trios journey, is also a victim to some degree. His insanity is likely a result of not just living inside the abyss, but also using the zoaholic which canonically causes people to go insane after consistent use. I love Akihito's ability to write "antagonists", because that tight-rope is never walked in traditional anime.
@@TheMickellPickell well, I consider him a bit of "Hannibal Lector" type. He is beyond the concept of evil. This category is just not applicable. And we must never forget the role Bondrewd played in the all of the Abyss Culture: first maps, first routes, first relics catalogues, first flore&fauna descriptions... he has not been names a Sovereign of Dawn for nothing. But you do know that.
Wow, do I love a complex well-written character.
I wish these types of videos and especially Abyss theory comes back while we wait for season 3, I trust no other channel to make the best Made in Abyss content.
You give me far too much credit 😅 Thanks so much dude! I'll be sure to make some more content like this in the near future~
@@TheMickellPickell hey make whatever you want Mickell as long as you enjoy making it!!
Antagonist and “villain” are very different terms. I think made in abyss does an amazing job of creating pure antagonists, simply , those who stand in the way of the protagonist or whose actions lead to our main groups progression. I equally don’t label bodnrewd a “villian” he himself even admits to loving all of his children and truly knowing these experiments have tremendous value for humanity and understanding the abyss. Perspective and relativism is important. This story produces so many interesting characters and challenges for our main cast to overcome. Very cool.
i think nanachi said the best that she would never let a situation is created where wazukyan is 'needed' to take severe action to save his place and embark a new journey when she is imagining his supposed idea to create a riko village which help them to embark a new journey against abyss.
Maaaaaaan the anime was incredible, (am an anime only and for me the wait was WOOORTH IT!) great great work.
So glad you enjoyed the anime so much! Made In Abyss season 2 was honestly so much better than anticipated. The manga is masterful but the anime was truly godly! 🙏
He definitely is not a villain. The circumstance they had makes it hard to simply divide his actions with a right or wrong. Just like the Trolley Problem, Wazukyan standing idly by when he knew how to save people is also not a good thing. I like how it's not a simply good or evil dilemma because just like reality, it's much more complex and blurry like how soldiers feel at war. What makes this more apparent is that none of the healed party members did anything against Wazukyan's decision, well because it saved their life. Even as they saw how Irumyuui looks now.
He even recognizes that he's fucked by how he said Belaf is needed because he never got used with the suffering making him the most noble of them.
Excellent! Yep, values are ordered hierarchically. If 'the safety and welfare of my loved ones' is the top value then all other values are either subordinate to it or at least cannot contradict it. That's the way it works. Subordinate values can't violate superordinate values. That's the system. Once you know the rules then figuring out the logic behind moral decision-making, whether they be gray or not, becomes easy.
I never saw Wazukyan as a villian
He was always a mysterious heroic character to me, he is extremely underutilised guy
Couldn't agree more.
He is genuinely the glue that keeps the squad alive, even if his means are against the natural order. I love his character writing so much.
Nice FF9 music! I sorta associate both FF9 and MIA together gor some reason. Similar vibes sometimes.
As for the actual video, I also got this feeling from him. He seems like the kind of guy who is selfless, who is happy when others are having a good time or pursuing a dream, never putting them down, instead saying "Nice! That's cool!" And giving a high five To Riko in the Testicle Shop. However that does take a backseat when either his group or his own dream is at stake. Basically like you said, his moral compass is on the "ends"not on the "means." Probably sees himself as a guardian angel of his people.
This seems to be a theme, and I think is a critique of Riko's mindset. She too is very focussed on her goal, and she seems to think it through a similar way, where ends may justify the means, but she hasn't lost touch with the means yet. Both Bondrewd and Wazukan mirror her mindset, in how they approach their goal, however these two seem to have lost touch with morality, while Riko has not (yet)
Personally I beleive this arc will culminate with the party becoming mirrors of their antagonists, and them dealing with that transformation, and sacrifice.
Transformation (life and death cycle is a part of this), Sacrifice, and Dreams, seem to be the big themes in this work, from what I can find. I think a climax may involve Riko choosing between sacrifing everyone or losing her dream.
On an unrelated note, I think the bottom of the abyss leads to a seperate existance. If the Abyss was inspired by the innards of a tree, then either orth or the bottom is the roots or the leaves. Personally Orth is the roots because they provide nutrients to the abyss, and the leaves...who knows.
Some guy also had a theory on how the Abyss was a uterus and I buy that idea too. To a a degree. The Abyss definetly seems to be "alive" or at least designed to "eat" , a malevolent force designed to bring you deeper and consume you, either for nature and life (simple nutrient exchange. Blood and Corpses give life to others) or maybe something more malevolent and scheming. The Abyss seems unnatural, perhaps it was created by the creators of Artifacts and the fuel they need is death, Madoka Magica style? With Tsukushi, who knows how twisted it will be. And it's probably connected to the extinction event that killed all the praying skeletons, and the birthday disease
Sorry for the mini essay, I get carried away lol
This was a phenomenal read!!! Don't apologise at all!
I also love how you have connected both major characters to Riko. She very much replicates some of their behaviours after all. She saved Veko not really caring if *she was a good person* so that she could accomplish her goal of finding Nannachi as quickly as possible. Also when Wazukyan asks about whether Riko has "come to hate" him, she brushes it off as a "well I don't really know you that well"...I think its a portrayal of how even she understands what it's like to push aside morality to achieve certain results.
Also, that theory of the uterus makes total sense considering how sentient the abyss truly is. With the forcefield and the curse being regarded as "the blood of the abyss" and its rapid changes being similar to that of how overtime the biology of one's body begins to change as well.
*Also Madoka Magica is literally my second favourite anime to Made in abyss...glad someone who not only loves Vivi also has quality taste in anime**
@@TheMickellPickellWhy, thank you!
Vivi is a good boi. As much as it would pain me, I kinda wish I could see how he would fare in the Abyss.
Hell Yeah, high praise from the yellow pickle. You ever see Girl's Last Tour? It's got some real melancholic vibes. If you have not, might be up your alley.
Max Theawesome Girls last tour was phenomenal 💕 The manga is a philosophical masterpiece 👏
lmao, rewatching this as season 2 is airing, i cant ignore you called him "wakuzyan" at 7:39
I just comment this on your other video but I think it kinda connected to this.
Base on what he represent on the series he was more like an Observer more than a villain.
When Wazukian has been asked by Vieko on what he is planning when the time Riko and his gang is on the village he said to her that "the Future of the Village is for this children to decide" when Riko is fighting the Floating waterlike beehive he does not try to hinder or help them he just observe.
Based on his form on this chapter and his abilities, am I the only one who thinks that he looks like a "Seed"?
I really hope that after this, his remains become a sapling then become a giant Tree like Harold on Fallout, and he becomes an Observer for the adventurers of the abyss.
Tree for me symbolize Wisdom and Observer since they live pretty long and they can't move or do anything just stuck there on that environment.
Wazukian is pretty knowledgeable since he can see the future and doesn't really hinder people from doing what they want which is a characteristic of an observer.
Also didn't he put an Egg on him?
I'm pretty sure when he become a narehate it doesn't disappear it just cause a massive scar.
The reason why the Egg doesn't work is because adult body is complex so maybe it will work later on when most of his body already destroyed.
If this is a game Tree Wazukian can be like that one quest giver dude who be like "If you go into this direction you can find what you seek" since he know what happens in the future.
And he is like a person you can ask where the monster you are trying to find go.
Naa you see I took Riko's idea "why would you stop your journey at the entrance of the lowest point ever recorded" slightly differently, getting stuck in one area was inconvenient for wazukyan, but if hypothetically he could find a way to have exited the barrier safetly perhaps with a third egg,
dieing from exhaustion and destruction of his hollow body is unlikely as he didn't get absorbed unscreen.
some suggest he changed his mind on using the wishing egg on Riko and he wouldn't have expected another chance at a village forming from that and it's like he would have been able to piggyback a ride to the abyss with a hypothetically mutating Riko but that's also not right, too unpredictable with her team being comprised of dear friends.
Think the man would try to use the wishing egg despite the suggested consequence as his intentions were always extremely decisive ? Isn't part of Made of Abyss's appeal the realization that we haven't changed much since our own childhood? after one hundred fifty years the hollow we met was actually quite menacing looking, but like you said never threatening in his questions or conversations, still sounded like a one piece character.
Wow, i reflected to that part when rico about to sacrifies one of her body parts, dang
To answer your question, for someone so precious to me I would go as far as I would need to. It makes sense doesn't it? I definitely didn't think of Wazykyan as a villain, I don't really dislike anything about him, he's just a smart guy who wants to fulfill his quest and make sure his friends stay alive, he's a very interesting and complex character and definitelly became one of my favorites. By the way what do you think of this arc in made in abyss? I honestly didn't expect to like it that much, it's really great.
This is my fucking favourite arch of Made in abyss. The characters, the feels, the reality that it shows... I love
Lunsanton You can find the coloured chapters in this video’s description 😊 they are a very talented set of people xx
@@TheMickellPickell Thanks, but i can't enter the page, it doesn't let me...
@@chloelemon6278 Oh?? The website is called "Manga Dex" but I don't know if it'll work if that link isn't working :< sorry mate, thats the only place I go too
@@TheMickellPickell i tried to go to the page but nothing... Thanks again :'•>
@@chloelemon6278 You're right!! Its like the site has been taken down ;n; hope thats not the case!!
He's no villain, but a child murder, his morals is quite as well not amazing. He's just a disturbed individual who shouldn't be a scientist, but in a way. He's the villain to the children
The thing is, he couldn’t have known the suffering that would come to Irrumyui by giving her the wishing egg. From what the interference units told him, it really only safely works and fulfills wishes if kids, and she happened to be the only one he could put his trust in. Not like any of them knew it would or could get scrambled with how desperate and in pain she was when given it that would gel so many of her immediate desires together.
When it did what it did to her and the cure ended up being in her children, why let that aspect of her wish and the suffering with it go to waste by not using them for the one thing they were likely born for? There was no turning back anyway, and doing nothing would’ve meant death for everyone who had put their trust in him.
I think his own desperation and inner regret of the situation was really shown on his face when he explained to Vueko that he had to start taking the “children” while they were still alive since fresh = stronger healing. It holds on his face and even though he’s healthy and should (if he were truly heartless and unaffected by the pain Irrumyui was in and the choices he had made) be at an emotion high since it worked and his crew was essentially back from the brink of death…at that one, rare, moment-despite the smile, he looks tired. He looks emotionally drained and tortured inside as he listens to Iryumuii’s screams for her children. It was a big decision he alone had been forced to make while the other sages were down, and even though he was trying to remain positive and deny the horror of it all, it still slipped through in his barely-put together expression there.
He didn’t WANT to do it. He didn’t want the trip to have to end up going like this, clearly. But he was backed into a corner and felt he had no other feasible choice. So he dug his heels in and took the path full-on. And I think the toll of it made him lose his marbles a bit afterwards.
is it possible for me to learn the song that starts at 8:43
Angels of Death: Into the Area
How does ganja's reach the 6th layer? Do they come with that elevator things at the middle of ido fronts?
Beta Tester So before Bondrewd established the “Idofront”, that sector use to be a ritual ground that sent venturers off into their last dive. The elevator existed well before the ganja corps got there and it was explained that a Narehatte with a white whistle blew their white whistle and it allowed them to desend.
1:36 ok I NEED a link to this image
Simple people will try to justify his pragmatism "he did nothing wrong" but the whole point of the story is that all of them had an injustice towards Irumyuui and even they acknowledged it themselves and so the karma that is Faputa was embodied. And despite her purpose, she GREW to understand that the people inside also developed over time an understanding of "value". It was cathartic for everyone with Faputa essentially eating/inheriting every thought, dream, desire, etc. of the village and her mother (much like a shonen protagonist)
Wazukyan was pragmatic in the name of survival yet cruel to unacknowledge Irumyuui's feelings. Belaf despite being insightful, gave in to his hunger and desire while hiding never having to face judgement. And Vueko being loving yet never sacrificed her humanity the same way Irumyuui has for everyone. All of the elders had a cathartic and yet karmic end relating to all of that. It was beautiful.
I hope you revisit this topic now that the arc is over and it's animated and getting released soon!
I personally can't say I have a opinion of him just because I am still so confused about what happened with the cradles of greed and what exactly is going through his head.
With Bondrewd, we know he "loves" the children he experiments on ad his thought process behind it. We may not agree with it, but we can see how he came to his conclusions. Maybe I missed something and am just stupid, but I don't really understand a lot of what is doing through his head and how he feels. I understand the whole "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" thought process, but I still don't understand how he came to be the person to have that perspective and if he never gave up on his adventure goal then what his overall idea/aspiration of what an adventure was.
I may with the anime's release! But I'm not so sure how differently they would present Wazukyan in it. If there are differences or things that really stick out better in Wazukyan's character over the course of the anime, I'll be sure to address them in the upcoming Anime Weekly Review Series for Made In Abyss :)
Rewatching this for the 10th time because man this is great-
I really appreciate your support!! 😭💕Thanks so much!!! X
I’m really liking this character, for me its slowly climbing to my number 1 favorite character of this show tbh. I really like his personality and the whole “possessed by divinity” theme. Bondrewd set the bar really high but here we are, such an awesome series that never disappoints.
He is definitely the most complex character from this series and easily my favourite of the arc, however the main trio has had such a profound effect on me so I can’t give him the top spot 😅 but he is a brilliantly written character, keen to see proper animation studio Kinema Citrus do him justice ❤️
@@TheMickellPickell They’re all great! The main characters are definitely the ones with the most potential since they’re the ones we’ll see the most. Looking forward to see what they do with them, keep up the good work!👍
I still like Bondrewd the most
@@tkhotatia1163 Bondrewd will be very hard to top, he is very iconic.
@@abysschef5078 To be fair, I don't really know a single thing about Wazukyan outside of what this video just told me lmao. I just absolutely love how badass Bondrewd looks and his attitude, as well as simply the concept of his character.
I see Wazukyan as Chief Erwin in Attack on titan, very capable and driven by a will so powerful that almost become evil
*Shinzo wo Sasageyo!*
"You eat babies!"
-John Marston 1911
Well summarized lmao
Could someone please refer me to the show he mentions at 7:13 - I can't make out what the pickle is saying.
Yeah sorry my pronunciation of Japanese titles isn’t great 😅
The first one I mentioned is: Hataraku Saibo (Cells at Work in English)
The second one is: Dororo
Both are brilliant animes but they are completely different 😁
@@TheMickellPickell Thanks so much mate!
Yeah Made In Abyss is awesome, I wish we had more plots with intricate storytelling like MIA!
Now, having watched Season 2 of MIA (and I've never read manga), I have no idea how can anyone see Wazukyan as a villain. Actually, the single kind-of-bad thing he ever did was holding back on some information which might or might not be useful to others earlier... but being a prophet he might have had good reasons for it. Throughout the season it never occurred to me to think badly of him or his intentions. Can eating living things in order to survive be arguable? Sure, but it's only natural to do so... so if he is a villain, so is the Nature itself.
Couldn't have said it better honestly. I really don't understand how people can put him in a box considering the dire circumstances. What he did isn't a heroic thing, but what he did wasn't out of villainous intent either. He was a leader and did whatever it would take to bring his dreams and the dreams of all those who trust in him into fruition...and I'd argue...he did exactly that.
Dude I appreciate your vids on MIA. Not enough ppl are talking about how incredible the story is. It's one of my favorite manga ever and maybe the most intricate storyline I've ever read.
I can absolutely agree Nik! It has such an incredible and unique premise. Yet to have seen anything like it! It’s my all time favourite series/franchise of any media ever so it’s exciting to talk about! 😁👌
Also thanks for the kind words!
he was a good leader. Did what he thought best in a hopeless situation. The end result of his actions turned out to be somewhat positive in the end aswell.
Wazukyan is the most selfless character in the entire series. He had to make a choice - Let everyone die horribly or sacrifice his own humanity to make everyone survive. He chose to save everyone. If anything, Wazukyan is the hero of the story - A fearless and visionary leader who led his people to their destiny. He is the Ragnar of Made in Abyss.
I got a doubt how did the ganja gang made it to the 6th layer i mean one need to have a white whistle right ?
There was a narehatte inside of the elevator too the sixth layer who had a life-reverberating stone on them. They used that Narehatte in order to go down from Idofront too the capital of the unreturned.
I think this missed something, one of the reasons he's Soo much like a villain is his seemingly lack of empathetic expression. He's always depicted as calm and content even when doing things he (through calmly selected words) knows is wrong, and he acknowledged them almost nonchalantly as if it's an everyday thing. Perhaps he's desintesized from leading his group through their exile, but it's made his character darker in almost sociopathic way. He knows it's wrong, his empathy's working fine, he wanted his people happy.. but he keep his vibe, smile, and composure THE SAME at all times. Except for some physical grunting like when they're breaching the abyss with serious face.. he never get mad nor get sad or looks guilty when he did immoral things. Its as out of place as watching someone looking content or maybe even happy in a funeral of their loved ones. It's creepy, and people may mistake him for having something behind the situation, like getting an inheritance or something.
I mean, maybe people would empathize with him more if he's crying/clearly feeling bad when he had to make hard decision or maybe when he's killing irumyui's kids. Like people did when they see vueko puking when she found out, she's clearly upset about it, and Belaf who tried to refuse.
Looking deeper tho, the reason (for me) he's only looking like a villain but not actually is.. is because regardless of his lack of expression.. it was not for him, it was genuinely for others and he is forced to make decisions after given only bad cards in his life. He's trying his best and choosing the lesser evil out of the circumstances, bearing the responsibility and sin of making the choice. It like playing one of those battle card games with only the worst cards in the entire game. He didn't ask for anything else other than their trust to him, he put the others first, even before his own feelings and rep. This is an Itachi from Naruto's level of commitment.. seem like a villain but is actually just given a bad card deck in life and have to make do with it for the sake of others.
Also I suspect he had to get used to maintain his composure to be calm at all times to keep his people calm. Because if the leader crumble, the followers more often than not also will.. unless someone else took charge but both vueko and belaf are not in condition for it. So he learn to hide his feelings and keep calm. Also, if he seem to feel bad about.. say.. eating the kids, so will his people, and more of them would follow belaf's example instead.. and more of them will die, not mention possibility of wasting irumyui's kids = making their death useless. By normalizing eating them, with a confident smile and nonchalant attitude, might alleviate some of his people's guilt/feelings. They can just chuck it to his orders or something.
He didn't hate on people who blamed or hate him either because he knows they're justified to feel so.
I completely agree with you
He's putting on a brave face in front of his companions because he is the "leader". He has to stay composed all the time, because if he loses it, everyone will.... This is the real tragedy of Wazukyan's character.
@@HELLios6 exactly my point on the last paragraph, he's putting up a brave face..
@@D4rkenedskies Yes I know :) I read your comment and it's quite insightful and concise. I wrote that just to confirm that his motivation is most definitely pure and he doesn't really have any bad intentions, as some people make it out to be.... He's genuinely a good person caught in terrible circumstances.
@@HELLios6yepp, and I love how you put them all in even more concise sentences.. ❤️
Love how him and Bondrewd are both men trying to make the world a better place, and to take care of those around them. One goes too far with science, the other goes to far with religion. Neither were bad guys, genuinely understandable antagonists. It’s some top tier character creation,
Not to mention the fact that they are both victims of circumstance. Bonedrewd came into contact with the Zoaholic, which hinted that after repeatedly switching bodies, he began to lose his sense of self, making the decision to use children as a means of scientific progression, all the more understandable. Whilst in Wazukyan's case, he was met with a morally questionable choice as a leader, and sought to do whatever it took to ensure the safety of everyone's dreams, all at the expense of one little girl. Just fantastic character writing on Akihito's part.
I love how he did one of the most fucked up shit ever existed then just vibe for the rest of his life with the narehates and even with riko squad most of his scene is just "sup human child high five !!" Or "oh hey(insert narehate name) lovely weather today"
Love makes people do crazy, selfish things in its name.
Agreed
Tbh I never thought of him as a villain, the thing he did were awful yes, but not truly evil, he only did what was needed to ensure the survival of every one else
Guys, I can forgive him of all his crimes: He started a group and named it the goddamn GANJA corps.
You know what? Totally agree. That name alone gives him the right to do what he wishes 😊😇💯
He may not be a villain, but he is a fucking bastard for using the second Wish Egg on Irumyui.
Not that I'm justifying his actions. But as a leader, in a situation as helpless as this, I think to survive the people of ganja required ruthlessness. He isn't morally right, but his actions make sense.
Faputa can never free her mother, as her mother's consciousness is already far gone. All she'll achieve in her goal is destruction. But even if someone manages to reason with her, her birth-given impulse to destroy the village will never leave her, as she is made from that desire
I'm still really confused about wich were the exact wishes made by Iryumi and Wazukyan to end up like that
It’s never confirmed, I think Akihito wants to leave it to interpretation.
imo , an accurate description is "survivalist" , and will do what it take to ensure everyone around him to survive .
I agree. He's the kind of guy you would NEED on an adventure of this magnitude, a man willing to make Sacrifices for the betterment of his team, even to his own destruction.
In order to become the hero of his story, he first needed to become a devil. I adore his character writing so much ❤️
He is not the villain, just crazy without empathy. Just like Bondrewd, he is lawful evil. He could wait for Irumui's babys to die in her arms but he kinda likes the suffering and his plan was to use another child to make sure he lives on (and, at the end of the day, if you value your own life, you will do what you have to do).
Wazukyan is the hero of a story, not the hero in the story of Reg, Riko, or Nanachi, but a hero nonetheless
He gives kids high fives. How could he even be a villain???
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