A Deep Dive Into The Controversies of Made in Abyss
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- Award winning series Made in Abyss is praised for it’s painstakingly crafted worldbuilding and heart wrenching stories. But between questionable depictions of young characters, truly disturbing scenes, and the 'desires' of the creator on full display, fans have questioned the integrity of the anime and manga. I'll be diving into the controversies of the series and exploring if certain depictions are "realistic" or just plain weird.
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0:00 Intro To MiA & It's Controversies
2:08 The "Grounded Fantasy"
4:26 Why So Many Bathroom References?
7:50 Why Are The Character's So Young?
13:29 Where Are Their Clothes?
17:27 The Mangaka's "Values"
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UPDATE: Hey All! I've gotten a couple of comments from people that clearly care about MiA and I'm here to say that's great. I also love the series. The point of the video is not to bash the series or it's storytelling but to point out general concerns that I and other fans have about certain depictions of young characters within it. These things are controversial because they involve certain depictions of children in a way that does not add to the progression of the story and seems to only be an outlet for the creator's specific desires. I hope to help people realize that it's okay to question things that might seem concerning or make you uncomfortable in our favorite series because we should be critical about the things we watch. Thanks for watching the video and leaving your thoughts!
this is the reason your my fav anime essayist. always be critical of anime 💖✨
Na 100% this is a perverted creep show by a perv creator, it sucks because the atmosphere and premise is legendary it really is a truely great format for a good storyteller.
@SH19922x I'm just not overly concerned about the abuse of imaginary children. The story is too cool to get squeamish about animated characters. It's incredibly entitled and imposing of Western taboos where they are completely irrelevant and not going to affect real children in the real word AT ALL.
I'm never going to watch made in abyss 😂
I mean, the author literally used to create actual child p*rn*graphy doujin before Abyss, so…nothing deep to analyze or argue here. It’s right there on the surface.
yeah, while I actually like him adding in answers to daily life issues like the toilet, he didn’t need to SHOW it being used. This is honestly one of the few good examples of tell dont show
Agreed, world building is fine but there are some things that don’t need to be shown. I was still just as immersed in the setting without that part
Are you guys talking about the toilet scene where Riko had one hell of a stomachache
@@YukiXKohaku yep
@@lukedavies3654 Oh, I remember when I first saw that scene I laughed my ass off bruh, didn't think too much of it until now.
@@YukiXKohaku honestly scenes like that weren’t as sus in the manga because I didn’t imagine the sound effects
What bothers me most is that most of the sexualized scenes are inconsequential to the story. Sure there’s stuff like Vuekos past shown to be horrifying. But then you get scenes of Riko pooping on a toilet that licks her clean. Why is that part of the story? Why does Akihito feel the need to share his weird fetishes in his work?
Literally nothing changes if you took those scenes out. Just draw hentai on the side or just keep it to yourself. Hard to defend or recommend Made in Abyss when you constantly have to separate Art from the Artist. Constantly being taken out of the story and hoping he hasnt harmed any child in real life is frustrating.
I agree. There are so many elements that just don't need to be in the story and since they are there (even in the anime which is also concerning because they can censor more then they do) it feels very suspect.
@@TheAnimeTea yeah, while I actually like him adding in answers to daily life issues like the toilet, he didn’t need to SHOW it being used. This is honestly one of the few good examples of tell dont show
If he harmed real children he would get his popular property canceled and forgotten like the moron from Act Age (still pissed because of Shueisha's hypocrisy)
i have no idea how mia fans can deal with this.. yall deserve better
@@Google_remote Easy, like everyone that is fan of certain concepts like Berserk, Usagi Drop, Oreimo, anything from Hiroya Oku (especially Gantz) and the eroges, if we're fans is because we enjoy the concept and tolerate all the weird things
As a person who loves made in abyss and uses it as a form a inspiration in my works thank you for making this I'm so tired of feeling alone on how I feel about the gross stuff in the show and manga
I literally can't blame anyone for feeling inspired by the writing and worldbuilding of MiA because it's incredible, I just don't think it's right to ignore the obvious and disturbing aspects of it like they don't exist. I just want people to be comfortable acknowledging both aspects. Thanks for leaving your thoughts Samantha!
i love the manga, its one of my favorites as in world-building and storytelling, but the loli/shotacon stuff should be deleted
I had the opposite experience: all the MiA fans I’ve spoken to absolutely loathe the gross kid stuff. It restored some of my faith in humanity.
@@Discodelics no, embraced
@@TheAnimeTea FR FR. It feels like I'm the only one sometimes
He has a tweet saying something along the lines of "child belly so erotic!" It was translated with Google translate but I don't think that fact changes how creepy it is.
Explains why a lot of the designs for the child characters have their stomachs showing🤢
he's actually audaciously blatant about it, I think
the only reason it's still a question is because nobody has asked him directly imo
edit: like I think he'd just *tell you* that he was into children if you asked, he seems bizarrely unaware like that
UOOOOOOOH CHILD BELLY AND CHEST EROTIC 😭😭😭
Lets not forget about his obvious belly button fetish. 🤢
@@prettyboyg1278yeah, I watched the movies, and the scene with Bondrewd just rooting around in there was a massive yikes, especially with certain angles🤢
Made in Abyss is literally my favorite show ever. I care so much for this show that the gross and weird stuff is even more painful for me. What frustrates me to no end is that every single occurrence of urine, feces, and genitalia could have been removed after the first time and it'd literally make the show infinitely better for it.
It being so close to an unambiguous masterpiece in my eyes is what makes me so incredibly upset that I cannot blindly recommend it to anyone without a big warning and describing it as "a Mona Lisa but da Vinci decided to draw a big-enough-to-be-distracting swastika in the corner".
Swastikas are good, the one from Blade of the Immortal is badass, but hey, there's works where the weird things didn't affect their popularity like Berserk, Gantz, Saya no Uta and Taimanin Asagi
It's so hard when something so good has such a glaring flaw! At least, to us. I think it does serve some narrative purpose and I'm sure other people appreciate it, but man. Would have preferred more cosmic horror instead of one too many mentions of diarrhea.
@@zillychu it definitely serves a purpose to characterize that reg does feel human "things" and riko is in fact just a naive kid, but then again I definitely feel like those aspects could've been communicated in other ways, at least after the first time. But since he uses them over and over its clear its also coming from the author's weird fetishes.
@@Enderdude600 I think it's also meant to emphasize that juxtaposition between cute characters and grim reality. MiA is a master of delivering an uncanny, uncomfortable atmosphere that tickles morbid curiosity, imo. Removing the author's kinks would create an entirely different feeling for the series, but... I can't say that would be a bad thing, just that it would be different. I'd probably prefer the kink-less option myself 💀 There are plenty of other ways to drive home themes of nostalgia and loss of innocence.
“Mona Lisa with a swastika” sounds a maurizio cattelan artwork.
Often wonder what’s the deal with grown Japanese man liking underage girls
They don’t like underage girls, they like cartoons.
I remember leaving a comment on an episode one about how weird it was so watch those parts and people where so against me on it. That's when I realised just how many people are into that stuff, it's disgusting
Oh yeah, and on the Subreddit a lot of people legit try to defend it as well 🤢
I blocked literally every single one of them.
That’s unfortunately how common pedophilia is in the anime community and why im so picky with anime in the first place :’)
@@reigenxalsame. I wish there were a list of animes where there are not sexual scenes, even for "comedy". I no longer have the tolerance for that and give up the show instantly when one shows up.
I often wish that there was a version of the anime I watch where stuff like that is edited out, it would be a lot easier to share anime I like if it didn’t have unnecessary gross stuff in it
Have You SEE the comment section in mushuto tenshi (the isekai about the pedo dude )) You can tell how scary Open and normalized are Loli pedos GETTING Open about it ... 😅 Scary
Another strong opinion I have is : okay, I can understand putting children through terrible trials to make it more impactful, but do you have to also add the sexual stuff and make us even more uncomfortable? Is it really necessary to your story to include that? And every time I come to the firm "no" conclusion.
visual novels include porn so Made in Abyss can include the sexual stuff too if it works
@@abrahamlupis9354 Not with children man
this!! and if for some reason sexual trauma is included in the story for plot reasons, it does not need to be shown or explained in explicit detail. this applies to adult characters as well, but especially children ones. many times when scenes like this are included, they only seem to sexualize the scenario which is gross
@@abrahamlupis9354 I think vn's with pron are called eroge, totally different thing
@@abrahamlupis9354hahaha found You, the mushuso tensei fan
As someone who ABSOLUTELY HATES censorship, I do wish we could get a version without the weird shit. I would love to recommend this to non anime fans as I feel it would really rope people into its story. As of now, I have to recommend it to only anime enjoyers with the caviat of creepy child sexuality.
we have enough with toned down versions of Roald Dahl, Agatha Christie & Ian Fleming
we aren't pansies and we can stand racist words on fictional media as well as the content of Made in Abyss
@@abrahamlupis9354 you're telling me you *like* watching countless diarrhea scenes?
@@wayfaringspacepoet I prefer urination situations
You don't hate censorship then, if somethign has an aspect in fiction that i absolutely detest i jsut stop consuming it anymore, not call for it to be deleted.
@@wayfaringspacepoet even if he himself doesn't like it, it doesn't mean it should stop existing completely. That's what you call censorship. Just because a said show has something in it that makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it should be removed.
The real abyss is Tsukushis brain, lol
His mind must be the one of a psychopath like how can he sleep at night without nightmares every night?
I think the makers of the anime adaptation did their best with the source material without cutting out too much of the filler. I haven't read the manga, but I know it's a lot more... *that.* I'm just glad there's a way to experience this incredibly good story in a somewhat more acceptable package. I wish they could have toned it down more, but honestly the fact that it was toned down at all (unlike some others) is something I am grateful for.
I haven't read the manga...This was toned down? Lord...
@@haleywilson520 Yeah, Made in Abyss is very notorious for a lot of nudity and strange panels. The recent chapter (65) had a moderate amount of ^.
And it does not help the fact that most of the characters look like children which only fuelled the controversy and the outright hostility shown by other people against the entire series and the mangaka.
@@haleywilson520yes !!! And a Lot, the fetish of the mangaka were showing SO much that You can clearly said out loud, the dude is a pedo, the end... No NEED for all those "extra"" at the end of the chapter weee pretty much include piss, licking and falic looking thing close to the faces of the girls with Many líquids on them, make so uncomfy that i almost drop manga several times ....also literally there is some few sex scenes but not with the mains, it was some adults that look like kids tho
Wait, *WAIT A SECOND* . You telling me that the anime was a *toned down* version of the manga? Jesus Christ we need the Spanish Inquisition back
This is the exact way I feel about both Made in Abyss and Monogatari. Fantastic shows, but the fanservice grosses me out a lot
Oh my god, same. I read a lot of monogatari series, and a lot of the stuff I read was really interesting. But like. Oh my god what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck
But Monogatari are grown girls
@@abrahamlupis9354 ? They’re all highschool age.
@@mozart4344 so? almost all the girls are highschool on japanese manga and anime media
@@abrahamlupis9354 that doesn’t make them grown yo?
I was kind of in denial through season 1, trying to make excuses and give the benefit of the doubt for all the creepy shit. Cause it had this Ghibli-like sense of adventure and beautiful environment art, set in a Lovecraftian cosmic horror setting, and that is like the perfect combination of things i like. But with the movie and season two it's like more and more blatant how creepy and fetish-y everything is and it's just disappointing. Significantly detracts from my enjoyment.
It's a lot worse in the manga so much so that I think the anime is better because it tones the questionable stuff down
Yeah .... Same feeling, as i was force by the mangaka to slowly slap me with his fetish
Dude… idk if it’s just me, but none of it ever really bothered me because I just didn’t even begin to sexualize it in my mind. I’ve been to beaches before where there’s been young children just walking around fully naked. And I guess I just feel like it’s up to me whether I make it weird or not… and with made in abyss, I didn’t make it weird. The only thing that I can admit was weird was when riko pointed out that Reg was errect, or maybe the feces stuff. But honestly, I just said, whatever, so what if there’s some weird unnecessary scenes. I love the story, I love the characters, and I’m gonna enjoy it.
@@divinerdan8413 Probably just you. I also ran around naked as a kid and don't mind naked kids running around, because they are not sexual to me. But I know for a fact that other people get dirty with these thoughts, that's why I don't want to see that shit.
@@divinerdan8413same here i watched made in a byss season 1 a long time ago maybe when it came out and i didnt even know it was controversial until now
Honestly, the part about being embarrassed by being an anime fan really hit me. I used to be a huge anime fan as a teenager. But as I got older, animes everything got too uncomfortable for me. The treatment of female characters, of underage female characters the low-key p*do bait. It's why I stopped watching.
and the US media is worse
@Abraham Lupis yes but also no. What this show has content wise, you can not do in America.
Though if we want to talk about how adults treat minors vs how they claim to care about minors. That's a whole different ball game. We all know how young girls and teenage women are made to feel. But it's equally as appalling how boys are treated. And sadly, no one wants to talk about the sexualization of young boys and males below age 18.
I'm sorry to hear this... You really have to search hard to find an anime that is both interesting and not sexual. A few like that are, from the top of my head, Shadows House, Mahoutsukai no yome, Puella magi Madoka magica and Akiba maid wars. Check them out if you wanna! 💖
To be honest made in abyss over sexualized it's both male and female characters(all of them are kids). Also one part in the show even includes sexual assault for some reason.😢
Wow you're very sensitive sbout everything
As much as I’ve enjoyed MiA it can be difficult to watch because of certain moments that feel like fetish fuel. One that stood out to me a lot is the belly button penetration. It always freaks me out and it always feels so unnecessary. It happened multiple times in the between seasons movie and was brought in again in season 2. All on Reg. Considering how many well-known mangaka have been arrested for possessing CP, I think they might want to keep an eye on MiA’s mangaka. I only hope that he’s adding these things for shock value or to establish the gruesomeness of the Abyss but it’s just so suspect.
Name a single lolicon artist that’s been arrested for possessing real cp. Ik of non-lolicon artists, but not lolicon artists in particular.
@@anonymouspigeonfrfr My groomer was a 26-year-old man who cried when I threatened to out his secret that he was hitting me up at 13 and sending me sexual massages and nude images. He said he wanted to have a little cute Loli girlfriend, "that's all!". Miss me with that shit.
@@maschaorsomethingI will miss you with that shit because while what happened to you was tragic, that random dude is not representative of lolicons as a whole and is by no way affiliated with me or the fandom.
@@anonymouspigeonfrfr why the fuck would you feel sexual attraction to drawing of a minor???????????????????? a body of a minor????????? why are you trying to defend this shit?
I always saw them as being children as a depiction of how only someone who is immature and innocent would have the goal of descending the depths prematurely. Any sane and normal adult wouldn’t dare to descent down a hell hole that curses you, but a child is more likely to just do it. Other stuff though is just whack…
It also is very impactful with young kids going through this, as it makes it more traumatic, not to mention Riko has her mother missing so it is quite understandable for her to go to the abyss. To me it was just psychologically more triggering that children go through this, as I love psychological horror kind of stories. (But the fetish/sexual/weird scenes piss me off)
Yeah, I just thought it was to highlight the danger and horror of the Abyss by having more vulnerable characters diving in.
It really sucks because I really love Made in Abyss but the gross stuff can't be ignored, it's not even needed, it adds nothing. I love Nanachi so much but I don't want people to think I just accept the gross stuff and think it's okay. It really hurts to love this anime because the story is just SO GOOD, and yet it feels like it's waisted potential because of those scenes.
I would recommend it to everyone if those parts weren't in it.
agree!
"Perfection" meme: Made In Abyss without the potty humor and borderline loli/shota stuff: Perfection.
@FIGHTFAN777 have you seen it..??
@FIGHTFAN777 it does have a story, a really good one too
Most if not all of the made in abyss fans are distubed and uncomfortable with these scenes but the World Building, the art, the music and the characters are so good the writer keeps us hooked. I think its like akihito is toturing us irl and it would not surprise us (the fans) if the manga doesnt finished cause this guy is an actual molestor and gets put into jail...
ha, Akihito Tsukushi won't be dumb to grope real people, he knows that there's legal fictional media to leave the real girls
I don't recall a case where a doujinshi or eroge artist that does mainstream draws did the same kind of crimes
He wouldn't be placed in jail/prison for too long, anyway. Japan has somewhat more lax laws when it comes to sex crimes. There was an author who had CP shortly after it was officially banned in Japan and he was only fined, if I recall. He eventually got help or something and got back into finishing the series.
Yeah but i felt backstabbed cuz i did not sing up for pedo content ... I get into Made in abbys to watch they in the adventure of the unknown... The fantasy, the missing mom, the reason of the kid robot existing
.. not for pedo content ...makes me agnry
@@AyAReI00 There is no "pedo stuff." A lot of cartoons in Japan are like this, for better or worse. Random innuendos, sexual jokes, etc.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v nah is pedo, i loveeeeee the cognitive dissonance of anime fan, when they praise attack on Titan they mention how the show is mature cuz is bringing the power corruption and bla bla bla of a hero, the content is serious and thereford anime is not for kids, cuz is gorwy and there is blood and there is traiton, almost same narrative with bersek that has traition and is full of plot twist BUT WHEN CLEARY THE ANIME HAS PEDO CONTENT is never intended, thats not why is there, is just kid looking but actually adults, and when kids are involved "no no is about critizizing " the deed! Yeah sure like thats Netflix show who complaint about minors explotation while showing minor explotation HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Like you said, I feel like separating personal fetishes from your work is a problem with mangaka in general. If I can tell what your fetish is based on your non-sexual work, we have a problem. I don't need to know that much about you AND it takes me out of your story. It's why blatant fanservice like pantyshots when in non-ecchi Anime is so jarring and uncomfortable.
Quentin Tarantino: Yeah, nah
Tsukishi is not afraid to show in public that he's into these things. On his pixiv bookmarks/retweets he sometimes retweet/bookmark some R-18 MiA fanarts.
One of things I appreciate about him is he showed the shittyness of "Talk no Jutsu", our MCs tried to use one with Ozen, Bondrewd, Faputa and the result? All failed lol.
the talk no jutsu fails were kinda satisfying in a way its like this isn't Utopia this is real life 😂
Faputa even took it one step further it didn't just fail she took everyone's words and literally and physically said shove it
They suffer less from talk no jutsu and more not giving a fuck they live in a death cavern when they actually should be.
The fetish stuff makes it hard to recommend, yeah. The horror and gore is kind of the whole point, though, and I feel like the video misses it by a mile. Riko was called into the Abyss and it was an obsession - she escaped as soon as she could. It's mentioned constantly how the curse affects kids more than adults, and why she's on such a suicide mission. She knows she's not making it back, and she'll never see her friends or a sunrise ever again.
The Curse is way more than altitude sickness, too: It can easily kill you, and once you get deep enough, even ascending 20 meters can warp and melt your body and mind.
While watching S2 I was constantly thinking to myself "if I have to see Riko pooping ONE MORE DAMN TIME..."
😭
I think I've had my fill of seeing children bleeding, vomiting and shitting themselves. 🤢
Honestly, the scene with Reg strapped to that chair in Dawn of the Deep Soul traumatized me to the point where I had to pause the movie and stare at the wall for some time. The quality of the anime is so good, and yet I just felt disgusted watching anything further. The show is such a 9 out of 10, but if I had the chance to forget about this whole series, I would.
Yeah!! That scene made me so uncomfy really unnecessary
Isn't he a robot?
isn't that kind of the point of the scene? dehumanize reg?
@@alexucon he's an Aubade and not a living being. He's literally not human, so it's not possible to dehumanize him.
@@alexucon Yes but how you do it is the point, and the author selected the most sus option he have.
I love Made in Abyss and this is a great breakdown of the series.
In regards to that nudity thing, particularly when you brought up the bath scene in Totoro, it reminded me of when my mom first watched it with me. I’d seen the movie SO many times before, but mom had never watched it. When it got to that scene my mom was like, “umm??? Creepy?” Which had been the first time I’d thought of it as anything more than it’s presented in the film - a sweet scene of a (sorta) single parent taking care of his kids.
the comment section being filled with creeps cheesus this is sad.
@@inillusion3335 ok
Man I just want to enjoy an awesome cosmic horror story, the fetishes are disappointing
@@inillusion3335 artistic freedom is up for critique, mr. proud creep. U people find the weirdest excuses to justify the signs of pedophilia. Nothing to be proud of.
to be honest, I think this story would've been better if the characters were instead mid to older teenagers and there were a lot less weird stuff. Not only would it be less creepy, but then the whole dynamic of young people going into an extremely dangerous place would still fit.
being a teenager isn’t any better… they’d still be children… just remove all the weird fetish shit and it’s fine
disagreed.
The story be better if there wasn’t SA honestly
Yeesh… it would STILL be bad.
@@andrearojas7286nah
Thank you for this deep dive! Your videos are so relaxing to listen to and this is a subject I’ve been interested in since I started watching Made in Abyss. And I love that you reference other good videos to watch on topics you cover.
ooh I've been waiting for this critique! first of all: the curls are popping 🤩 Made in Abyss is definitely ✨uniquely✨ disturbing with very strangely placed and recurring poop scenes 😰 I think theres a theme in popular media from Stranger Things to Promised Neverland of kids trying not to get killed/eaten and audiences wanting to see younger characters in gritty adultified traumatic storylines 💀But the fan-service is weird, period amen. my theory is that mangakas do this to egg on doujinshi artists (the freakin mannequin!?!? what in the rurouni kenshin is going on here!?!? smdh)
Thank you Sistah! It's so true, kids in frightening situations without adults around seems to be an entire sub-genre of media that most people really enjoy. I would agree with the doujinshi statement since Tsukushi has also been known to like certain types of doujinshi's of his characters 😶. The mannequin is definitely the most red flag thing I've ever seen in a mangaka interview.
Your guess that it's to egg on doujin artists is likely the case. It's a pretty well established practice in the anime and manga industry to add in subtext and hints in a work in order to inspire fans to make fan art. That's why so many shonen anime have bishonen as leads. It's to get the fujoshi to ship the characters.
There is a certain degree of ambivalence to this practice in Japan though. Some people don't like the blatant pandering. And others don't like it because too much pandering can lead to a really lacking work.
Promised neverland was great, no overly gross or fanservicey stuff with anybody as far as I've read, thank god.
Anime and manga tend to pander to their most extreme fans/community members (including doujinshi artists) in a way that western media often does not. I wonder if this was exacerbated by the financial crash of 2008, which destroyed much of the international market and reduced TV+movie revenue for the domestic anime for about 7 years. Manga suffered similar drops in sales. To balance it out, the industry seems to have relied heavily on merch sales, gambling, and gatcha games targeted at the most committed fans rather than seek broad appeal (and cut costs by relying more and more on fanservice rather than story and framerate). Since Made In Abyss was serialized in 2012, it probably was written to be creepier than it would otherwise have been...
Or that's what I though until I saw the mannequin at 18:20... O_O
The incredible, uncomfortable pain one feels that they want to recommend this cuz it’s good, but at the same time no cuz. You know.
Like, MiA is one of the best in creature creation, gore and such; but dear god if it makes me want to question if it’s a good idea to keep supporting this at times.
Update no one asked and probably knows by now: The newest chapters of the manga, 65, doesn’t help at all, in fact, only makes any attempt as to recommend this series 10 times worse. Akihito what is this curse?!
Glad someone finally said it. I thoroughly enjoyed this series at first and tried hard to separate the highly unnecessary sexual garbage from what is otherwise incredible world-building, great characters, and a fantastic horror environment that I very much enjoyed reading, but it kept getting worse and worse to the point where something about the "Papa's rod" bit in Dawn of the Deep Soul pissed me off enough to strongly consider calling it quits. Eventually gave up around the village arc when it became clear this was going to be a running theme the rest of the series. People can scrounge together all the excuses they want about how "it's a dark series, of course it'll include dark themes" or "censorship is bad" nonsense, somehow forgetting that 99% of the qualms are directed explicitly at the fact that literal child characters are constantly being put in sexual situations that do nothing to further the story. Christ, just within the first few pages of the manga I literally had to check behind me to make sure no one could see THAT panel over my shoulder the first time I read it. People will bend over backwards to avoid any criticism of this series, even from others who admit to enjoying it, and that only makes things more miserable. You don't need sex to be scary and you certainly don't need it from an author who has admitted he actively enjoys loli/shota and can generally be deduced to be doing it for disgusting fun, not through a solely """"artistic"""" lens. Sorry there's so many rabid lolicon freaks in your comments.
Christ this comment section is disgusting. I loved the video its valid critisms that Eye patch wolf also pointed out and didnt get this nasty of a reaction. You can like the premise of something while being critical of content.
Yeah, I really wanted to like MiA, but I've never been into horror that relies heavily on disgust, especially not with kids as protags. I was expecting more psychological/eldritch horror going in, and there are some elements of that, and I loved those segments. But the final episode of season 1 was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I have never felt nauseated watching a show or a movie before, but that did it. I'm glad you went into the varying types of grossness involved with the show, because a lot of people I'm acquainted with kind of handwave it with stuff like "anime/Japanese culture is just like that" or "if you aren't aging every anime character up 5 years in your head then you can't enjoy any anime" (a phrase that makes me want to commit violence). It's possible, maybe even vital, to be critical of shows you enjoy. All the handwaving I've seen in regards to this show honestly just creeps me right out. Thank you for making this video.
I totally understand not being able to stick with this series. The way you feel about the end of season one is how I feel about the movie, I've never watched an anime that made me feel physically sick to my stomach before.
Also people telling you to "age characters 5 years up" is concerning as hell. These creators obviously made their characters certain ages for a reason, ignoring that is problematic. The anime fandom has always had a problem with sweeping concerning aspects like this under the rug and I'm not down for that. I just want for people, especially adults, to be openly critical of what they watch. But if everyone is going to ignore it anyway I want to at least be the one to address it. Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts!
I empathize with your disgust, but being able to enjoy something despite flaws only shows how different people ingest media differently. It's more problematic to say it's "concerning" that someone can handwave the controversial content. It's not indicative of any moral standing, it simply means you process the media differently. Me not being able to handle gore doesn't make doctors "concerning" for being able to stomach it.
Just ingest media critically, with appropriate awareness. That's all we have to do. Fiction is fantasy and we've all got different levels of steel stomachs to tolerate discomfort.
i agree i as an example also like the story of a webcomic called lore olympus but have to mentally age the characters in it to enjoy it fully im so conflicted its not right.. its traumaticing and i would again keep children away from it at all costs... it doesnt deal with the obvious fact that the main character is an naive child who doesnt know any better as a bad thing, its romanticising it and i just cant agree with that, otherwise i love the character building and lore of lore of olympus but cant recomend it to anyone
The last episode of season 1 was not memorable something that stuck with me however was the third movie…
At least you backed out before the roller coaster really picked up speed.
Here to understand this series because of the current kpop idol controversies going on surrounding the it, so I appreciate your breakdown so much! 💗
Same here 😅
same😭
SAME. This is literally unacceptable. Portraying kids this way is so evil.
SAME
But this is japanese anime, kpop is irrelevant
Thank you for making this. I don’t mind difficult topics. But I don’t even know how to recommend this to friends while I’m conflicted with its content.
just recommend it, or tell them to play the videogame
Of course, i had to tell someone that i recommend to please don't read the manga cuz become Loli porn, SO please don't think i like that 😅, i had to clarify, just imaging if someone thing i voluntary like to SEE kids being licked by weird toilets ewwww
I really appreciate how the degree of bodily fluids and nudity shown CAN add a degree of grittiness to the story. Because it's a survival scenario in an incredibly dangerous setting, of course the characters are going to have to attend to their bodies and get used to things that are normally tiptoed around in civilized society in order to survive. When Riko is shirtless after vomiting on herself and immediately starts hyping up Reg's Incinerator, for example, the focus of the scene is not on Riko, so it feels more like the type of nudity that you mentioned is acceptable in Japan. Bit of a culture shock, but it makes the world feel a lot more real, and the overall tone of the scene isn't really a sexual or awkward one. But there are also clearly times that it's being thrown in for its own sake, and some scenes are just unforgivably stupid, like nanachi getting boobs from Kuongatari bites in the movie, and especially Riko's bathroom break during the entrance to the 6th layer. This show definitely has a degree of weirdness that would work more to its own advantage if it wasn't used in such a tone-deaf way 80% of the time.
You know, made in abyss is possibly one of the greatest ironies of all time. It has near perfect characters, worldbuilding, story, etc, but at the same time it’s filled whit completely unnecessary stuff that made me question myself morally when watching the anime and not enjoying it as much as I could because I was too worries about skipping any questionable scene whenever they appeared
just like the eroges
This was such a refreshing, honest, and valuable discussion about the grooming atmosphere of MiA. Thank you for spilling the tea! I’d honestly really enjoy hearing your critique of the film, but protect your peace if discussing that would be too stressful
It's not "grooming." It's a gritty series that is both beautiful and disturbing. From what I have watched (I don't read the comic), it has never even had any scenes of adults getting creepy with kids or any of the sort. Just the show making sexual jokes or being weird in other ways.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v Stop excusing it.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v Really? Even based on the anime alone, Ozen leaning down to Marulk (who is a boy that she forces to dress like a girl, by the way) while going "I'll be sure to string you up naked later" isn't creepy?
i love the worldbuilding in made in abyss. i love all the different details of the world and how that world impacts the characters in different ways, which is the main appeal for me personally. i feel like theres 2 types of scenes in MiA: uncomfortable and problematic. uncomfortable usually has something directly to do with the story, explaining an aspect of the story to be brought up later (the elevator scene) while problematic is stuff like the near constant showing and telling of riko’s bowel movements.
i cant really look past the more problematic stuff, i still enjoy the worldbuilding but man its so hard to get through certain scenes for a completely different reason than storytelling
As much as I like the world building, I'm so glad you pointed out the disturbing things that are so hard to ignore, especially since these characters are actually depicted as children not just fictional 'small adults'. It's like how I feel about another series called Jobless reincarnation as well that others praise it but I find it unwatchable.
What that show was awesome
That show has no salvation, is a pedo fantasy self insert, the dude, the male lead was throw out by their family members when they KNEW he put cameras in the bathroom to spy on her little niece !!!!! He was masturbating btw .... He was a step away for acting on her niece if more time pass... HIS NIECE!!!! HIS FAMILY, THE DAUGHER OF HIS BROTHER, the house they allow him to crash as a jobless piece of sh1t, thats how he repay their help, by puting cameras on his NIECE
How do You excuse that ????
That asshole Say in Many occations he would grom her little friend into the perfect wife and he sleep with a teen thinking he was an adult on a teen body... Sorry but i can not forgive the obviously pervert disgusting dude he is.
He was reward by ending his Journey as a harem ...yeah he married all the little girls he gromed HAHHAHAH how is that not an ode for pedos ???
But have You seen the pedo apologist in every single comment section talking about that anime ? "They forgive him cuz he change ?" HOW ??? HOW???
Omg yes!! People recommended that last anime to my boyfriend and his jaw dropped at how disgusting it is. He stopped watching it. We stopped watching MiA too.
@@maschaorsomething Your loss
@@Gamer-zg2wb NOOO I CANT WATCH CHILD PORN FETISH CONTENT NOOOOO
I went in blind after seeing nanachi and mittys backstory on shorts, i was warned that it was dark, and i was all for it. But i reaaaallllyy wish i wouldve known more about these kinda things. I dont know how to feel about going on, i watched s1 last night, and the movie and till s2 ep3 tonight, and while i love the story and characters so much its becoming so hard to continue.
First season i passed it off as it just happening, not really being sexual, but it is so damn often that im struggling to keep watching, and its not something i want to just ignore either.
20:49 What you said here REALLY resonated with me! I love anime and have loved it for a long time, but as I’ve grown older, it’s become harder and harder for me to ignore some of the elements of anime that have become common place. Everything you mentioned here is a great example of why watching Made in Abyss is so difficult and makes my stomach churn (outside of the gruesome scenes).
It really irks me when people defend it as “artistic representation” or “part of Japanese culture.” Neither of those reasons make something immune from criticism.
As much as I appreciate anime for its creativity, the talent of the artists, and the entertainment value, there’s plenty of harmful tropes that flood most shows and should be discussed.
Thank you for this video! My boyfriend and I really liked the first season for the world building, etc but we got too uncomfortable continuing. I’ve been trying to find a video reviewing the show that actually brings these issues up- the bigger CZcams anime channels I watch would praise this anime and NEVER mention these things which I personally find very unsettling in itself…
Big channels can't mention it because of the algorithm
I think its sad, cause season 1 was borderline not cool with me, but like in season 2 it felt more like it appealed to the "demographic"
Everything in this video had me nodding along. I really wish I had watched this before the movie. It was so traumatic to watch and it was one of those things that when it ended, I just needed to breathe for however long to... think through it all and forget some other parts.
I feel like the anime really tones down certain depictions of the child characters in the manga, especially the female characters in the manga are sometimes drawn in a very sexualized way that really disturbs me.
MiA certainly is..........something.
The abyss itself and the world are so beautiful, the concept of "value" in the village so intriguing, everything is so deadly and yet wondrous at the same time......
But the whole time I'm watching it it's just..... Yeah......
Edited to add excitement over seeing you link Explanation Point! He's great.
Let's not forget the UNNECESSARY attempted rape scene on Riko when she was in the golden city. Curious as to why you don't remember that happening? Because they didn't animate that in the show, but go back in the Manga and its sure as shit there.
just found your channel through AniFem. Love your stuff!
Literally let out an audible gasp when i found out those kids are 12. it might be a case of art style but they look 7 at most
Thats how I felt about the original dragonball. They look so young initially. Made in abyss scratched that itch I've had for a darker anime for quite some time. I will admit that the third movie and season 2 were hard to watch though. I feel like made in abyss is doing well because it's covering several bases of horror. ( body disfiguration, fear of the unknown, impending and unstoppable death, monsters, visceral depictions of gore, and a little bit of atmospheric horror) It's a mixed bag driven forward by the misadventures of children.( like the goonies, goosebumps, and bokurano).
@@yunogasai1338check this mans hard drive
Anyone else bothered by the constant belly button puncture scenes
1 year old comment but I didn't really mind it, what I did mind was how everyone wanted to non consensually see reg's private part, I know a humans funny thought process is "wait does that robot dude have a human part?" BUT there should be no need to be checking in his pants literally 24/7, Even faputa, who has known reg fo4 years, tried to look in reg's pants, it's like they're all drawn to it, not trying to be weird.
I also got sick of some parts of the show and movie, but I think all the incredibly cruel and sick stuff that happens to these children is a necessary part of the story, it shows how much of a persons humanity is lost when going deep into the abyss. Its showing the viewer the price for going into something you cannot go back from in your human form. But we can't stop watching it because we HAVE to know whats in there.
Having JUST started you are a hero for this.
that was a great way to spend 24 minutes, thank you for your content!
thank you for watching!
If someone is disgusted or rejects some scenes, maybe they should consider whether this anime is for them at all. This creator is like that and creates his own image of animation regardless of whether someone likes it or not. This anime contains a lot of scenes of gore and violence against children, which does not bother most viewers, but scenes of nudity and defecation do. So I advise some people to think twice about whether they really want to watch it, because despite all the cuteness it looks at first glance, this is not an anime for an emotionally immature viewer.
its not emotionally immature to say fanservicing minors is pedo territory
@@username.exenotfound2943If you used more than 2 brain cell you would also read the art were he finds weird that the people who claim notinding that is pedo territory for some reason are also completly fine with children mutilation and murder.
Would it be fair for me to call those people psichopaths? Is the girl on the video a psycho?
@@spinosaurusstriker gore, violence and other brutal stuff is never a problem to these people, it's always only the nudity. Really shows the double standards they have.
@@rickchakraborty2087the thing is,gore and violence usually have a purpose in story and character development, the deliberate choice to include them can easily be attributed to "making the audience feel sad for/hate a character, showing the seriousness or danger of a situation,make the story give off a darker vibe etc". This is most of the time not the case with sexual themes in a non sexuality focused story, ESPECIALLY if they can easily be removed from the story without really changing anything because where will you attribute these deliberate choices to include them then ? Other than "the author is sexually attracted to this" or" it's fan service".?
The only exception to this is in the show could be parts of Vueko's backstory because the implications of sexual abuse ARE important for understanding how she ended up in that crew and for making the audience feel empathy for her, but that's pretty much it, everything else blatantly served no purpose and gives off red flags purely because of the fact that it serves no purpose. That's why people are moved by these and not the violence and gore.
Finding the specialization of children appalling is not emotionally immature
Thanks for voicing my feelings on this stuff - I was on the phone yesterday recommending MiA to a friend and felt incredibly awkward in doing so. I hate that I felt required to tell him about the weird seemingly fetish content in a show that follows primarily two ~12 year olds. I think this type of content tarnishes an otherwise perfect anime, and it's immensely frustrating to me that in such a fantastic world that has so much depth this frankly disgusting stuff is shown. If it benefited the plot, that's one thing; but all 'those' scenes in the show never benefit the plot.
There's a certain level of discomfort that I feel enhances made in abyss, but it's surrounded by a bunch of stuff that makes me ask "is this necessary". America Is more tuned to violence so excessive bleeding is uncomfortable but probably more acceptable, Vuekos past is dark without being as graphic as it could have been, and the body horror of the 6th layer are all uncomfortable in ways that set the tone of this world and adds tension.
The bathroom stuff, such as the toilet being a living thing never feels like it's adding to the horror and just makes me want whatever's on screen to move back to the plot. Even if I try to bend over backwards I cant think of reasons for why half of these things need to happen or be shown the way it is.
Thank you for the video!
I'd really love to make a longer comment one day, but for now just want to express my happiness over finally finding an anime review channel where one speaks of the genre both with enthusiasm and from a critical point of view. I literally subscribed in the middle of the video. I really loved your tone, manner of speaking and especially making the point of not blatantly accusing the creator, but explaining why a lot of viewers can't but side-eye him. (Unfortunately, as a Rurouni Kenshin's fan I have the disadvantage of knowing that the stories a person creates don't necessarily show off their deviations and sometimes it's the sublimation through art that helps people, so te say, exorcise their demons. However this thought sprungs into 100 other, mainly about the accountability of the creator for a creepy parts of fandom and so one - and as I've already said, it's a topic for another day.)
I'm aware of people enjoying MIA while being disturbed by the author's clearly explicit fetishes, but I never thought that people ignores it because of how good the storytelling is. Tsukushi even made a point through Bondrewd's speech of curses and blessings of the abyss. While the story is great and all we can't deny that manga is the author's "fetish journey" "fetish diary" to be in fact, I mean he even showed interests in boob windows in the current chapter and surprisingly enough it's primarily adults that are subject of his fetish so far (though the other one has Loli aesthetic).
One that I admired about this mangaka is that he doesn't hold back and even though he doesn't hold back about everything somehow he makes sure that it doesn't affect the story. Though it's still take a (creep) cave raider to fully enjoy his work. I'm that creep.
Boob windows aren't that uncommon in anime and ig as long as it's on adults it's acceptable but my main complaints come from the sexualisation of minors especially in the first season... especially with Reg
@@stormflavored8829 It's even worse in the concept art.
I like made in abyss for the world building, but had to take a beat and think that the author isn’t just making loli torture fetish material. Still not sure, but I feel like season 2 is way more restrained than s1/dotds
I could only get like 4 or 5 episodes into the anime before i had to drop it. Pretty clear the author has some diaguisting fetishes involving children
as long as he doesn't involve a real child, one can support Made in Abyss
Your analysis is incredible, I just want to say thank you
The hate for dawn of the deep soul here hurts me. Made in abyss to me is another world not that of our own where everything we deem moral has been squandered, which leads to a unique atmoshere. The fact that these kids are placed in such horendous situations especially the sexual ones basically tells me, and I wish others saw it that way too, is that NOTHING in their world is really sacred. Children are not treated kindly or as precious things, and thats what makes the world as a whole so interesting. Its fucked up, its supposed to make you uncomfortable but not for the shock value. Instead of being grossed out that the world of made in abyss does not adhere to our norms and morals, try to analyze, speculate and just read between the lines of what does that say about that world and morality.
I LOVE dawn of the deep soul so so much because it made me feel all sorts of emotions, and most of all, true hatred. I dont hate THE MOVIE, I hate everything that happens in it. It fuels me with rage. And thats why I love it, no show, movie or media of any sort has made me feel this level of anger, sadness and disgust. Like a horror atraction or a roller coaster I get to tap into emotions I didn't understand where actually there.
I could go into specifics, but to watch made in abyss in a surface level without actually diving into what all that happens actually means, is to miss the point. just know that you are better and be happy you dont live there.
I feel like S1 is more tame with the weird stuff but S2 is so poisoned with it i couldnt even finish it. Even the violence in S2 feels more voyeuristic and exploitive than S1, which seems utilized to establish the brutality and danger of the abyss.
Started watching it and did some googling and came to your vid. Great insights and appreciate your point of view. New sub! Thx!
there’s soo many things that can be removed from the story, such as the talks about regs body, and in the extras there are some weird things said by some characters eg vueko fantasising about what relationship riko and reg has. The manga itself is amazing and i love it, some things should be removed and it ANNOYS ME how amazing this show is but how its so controversial at the same time
that's how books are now, being revised and censored for the people that can't stand certain elements
So I'm glad that japanese won't ever revise their content from their mangas, Made in Abyss will keep the creepiness and the sexiness for the likes and dislikes of the westerns
@@abrahamlupis9354 yeah, it's meant to be a story of dark and twisted elements, but soemthing like the sexuapisation of minors should be an world wide agreement that it is weird, western media is so much more tame then some mangas can be and ik how bad it can get. But I'll stand my opinion some things should only be said not shown, why would you show a 12 year old being strung up naked, you know how people will take that 💀
@@abrahamlupis9354 also its a bit weird how your calling it sexy, these are children that are mostly portrayed in this way, its not sexy, its fucking gross, MiA is never meant to be sexy its menwt to be dark and twisted which is why I do not mind with some things, eg the punishment of stringing up naked, that punishment shows the ideas and values in the world plus it is a punishment of humiliation, but it should never be shown
Love the video. I also have had holdups with recommending it due to the scenes you described. Props to the anime team, I did not know there were more of those types of moments in the manga.
I can't believe I tried to force myself at some point to don't mind those weird fanservice scenes just because they were really common in anime, I thought I was the problem 💀
same, thanks god I hadn't fel for this hole (╯︵╰,)
I really like your video. I just started watching made in abyss and to be frank, I like the world and it's concept but already on the second episode I was put off by the way Riko was punished by Belchero? Even though it was a brief showing, I was caught off guard with that and watching this kind of helps me what to expect. Of course, I'll see how far I can go with the anime, if it's my cup of tea but really, thank you for this video! Even though this was posted a year ago, it's still rather helpful on what to expect as a newbie with this series. I heard a lot of praises about it and decided to give it a watch which the animation is pretty, good music and the setting and tension is great but the only downside is I'm not fond of the moe character designs & the potential creepy situations for young characters 😅 but that is more of a personal preference.
I watched the first season and after finishing it I decided that I’d never consume any more media related to MiA (manga/anime). The fact that the anime was toned down but it still made me feel gross was a huge red flag. The toilet thing is just extremely inappropriate.
i just found your channel and i like your content i have to binge it also you have a nice voice
Ikr I recently discovered her, and I like listening to her videos in the background as I work.
I was about to read the manga because i saw analysis videos on the show and the art and world looked stunning but not even past the first few pages and i see a naked child wrapped up bondage style :|
like Gantz, the manga is worthy if one ignores the nudity
Oh my fucking god I just saw that too. fucking BONDAGE style, that's a SEXUAL ACT done to a CHILD!
@@abrahamlupis9354 It not only makes it better but is also a great filter
everupme in the comments has basically said what i feel n it rly is upsetting since made in abyss is my most favorite show ever. the worldbuilding is insane n the concept itself is just so interesting, but the fact that the creator doesnt even bother to hide his disgusting fetishes makes it so hard for me to b able to share my love for it w my friends n family. like i wish i could so bad because without all the unnecessary sexual scenes, it would be so perfect. Ive really only found like 4 friends that i could watch this with. still, i still have anxiety that someone will ask about the manga on my shelf because the way i even found out about this series was because i impulsively bought 7 of the books at a bookstore with no way to even sneak a peek since it was wrapped lol. i cant find it in me to throw them out though, because overlooking the random pages, the art is so beautiful and expressive. so sad that someone with that mind has to have so much talent.
What disturbs me the most is the fact that te manga is even more explicit. Not to mention the extras, that contains a good amount of unnecessary "fun facts". The most recent one (66.5 or vol 12) includes grafic explanations regarding the "biology" of a set of new charactes, CHILD characters. And is just disgusting, like, I guss i'm glad it wasn't mention or show on the actual story, but still... it was gross. Plus, this very same characters desing and interactions just scream fetish in so many ussetling ways....
How does knowing what Faputa's asshole (cloaca?) smells like contribute to the story!?
I am not read S2 and the movie yet. But i read the manga and... I am disturbed. And i am glad i am not the only one thinking like that. A lot MIA fans say this is just innocent kid world but i don't think so. I know the anime staff try their best for hide this problem, because anime industry more strict than anime.
Ahh. I had forgotten about the toilet scene
Great vid! Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Its really an interesting story but man any time we watch it its like "ok...why the hell are we. Still watching this?" And then there will be some cool environme t with sweeping music or some cool take on the breakdown of a persons...humanity? And you want to stay and then some weird traumatizing schite will pop up and you have to take a month to decompress. Cannot recommend to anyone.
Great video today thanks so much for sharing I'll make sure to check out this Anime and give it a watch. Keep up the great work in all you do.😁👍
This video is about to blow up with kpop fans?
I was shook after watching MiA on Netflix first. Not only is the age rating completely off (Guess people only watch the first 10 minutes when age rating media), but even with the right rating it would have been still controversial. Probably never watched something so off putting, yet intriguing at the same time. Still, I could never fully shake the feeling of watching something morally wrong and I had to recover for a couple of days after watching Season 1 and the movie, digesting my own moral stance on art and media.
My favorite anime from the past like 6 or 7 years, and sometimes I really wish it wasn't. I don't mind the nudity, at least to my naive eyes it's never shown to be in a fetishizing context. I don't mind any of the traumatizing stuff that drives the story along - though I've a stronger stomach for it than most people. It's mostly the bathroom stuff and like, weird punishment stuff that gets me. For crying out loud I can go 60 minutes without talking about number two, I really wish the show was capable of the same feat. I was even going to look into buying the manga but apparently some of those things are far worse in there so I've decided against it.
For what it's worth, or maybe it's just cope over a problematic fav, I feel like the anime itself is jointly carried by more than just the source material. The soundtrack and animation, like the whole team behind putting the story to motion and sound is just on such a high level.
haaaa jupp and im one of the persons who got into reading this manga im kinda reliefed that people say in the show its toned down but yeahh... i feel so guilty reading this sometimes ( all the time) im in a love hate relationship with this manga
The way you described this anime is the exact same way I feel about dragon maid. I love the relationship between tohru and kobayashi and the slice of life of a lesbian couple. I also love kanna but…the amount they sexualize her makes it hard to to support it
How can you get bothered by the bathroom stuff and not his obvious bellybutton impale/gore fetish, the pruska guro loli scene, distasteful character design sometimes (which I think is fanservice for creeps) THE REG SOUNDING SCENE?? LITERALLY look at r/sounding on Reddit. Yes the bathroom stuff is weird but so much easier to dismiss…
@@snekgewehr Because mostly is a qualifier I used. Meaning not limited to that.
Also people are different and have different tolerances towards viewing things.
@@ohsnapples9885 They never sexualixed Kanna? Wtf
Really interesting review of this series.
While I love MiA and actually enjoy when stories include the gritty disgusting shit, I have to agree that I can't really defend the author for scenes like the licky toilet. I get it's trying to be "weird", but it sincerely comes off as fetish and it's certainly uncomfortable. I could 100% go without this type of unwarranted/inconsequential sexualization. However, I see baths and body fluids as more of a side effect of "being a living human", and I can appreciate the realism to include such scenarios in a setting where these things would indeed be relevant and could pose a serious challenge for survival.
And yeah, putting kids through dark/gruesome shit is certainly A Way™ that can be used to set the tone you want the story to have. But like... being of the author's inclination towards children and children characters... it's absolutely impossible to separate the two, to the point where it's pretty hard to defend (or to want to defend). I also agree with you on the CP problem in Japan, it's much deeper and different from what we have in the west.
While I try to perceive the story through the lens of the characters (kids innocently being kids), I'm still an adult and most people watching are too. We can tell when something goes beyond kids being kids, and sometimes in MiA, it does. I enjoy it a lot, but it really comes with a whole page of footnotes and disclaimers.
I wish there was a way to watch the show without all the weird sexualization scenes because it would still be the same show just less gross
5:56 I commented on some other site while reviewing this episode that this moment is unnecessary and gross, and some people were so offended that they went on downvote hunt for my other reviews to lower my reputation
It's such a shame because I adore this artstyle. It's adorable, yet the world is depicted so horrifyingly. I think the contrast is really interesting.....but then...of course..... there has to be some p3do sh1t attatched to it. I'm really not phased at this point.
This is the only anime that I hate but has a story that I want to see the end of. Thus I'm still watching despite hating most aspects of it.
here after ykw…
same lmao
yea👩🦯
someone needs to post this on twt so the delulus can open their eyes 🏃🏻♀️
What?
Yeah this show gives off early warning signs like how riko has drawn a complete anatomical chart of reg's stuff and goes about describing it in detail. Thats in ep 2...
To me, Made in Abyss has such a cool idea behind it. Its the first anime ive watch where im so invested in the world building and story that I dont want to mess it up by going and searching up the bad stuff of it. even tried finding fan made MIA manga where they put their own characters in this world, but its mainly novels and i aint great at reading. havent found any comic types yet.
The world and story is so interesting but I can’t rewatch the show or try out whatever came out after the first season because it gives me such a bad icky feeling. I get just having to suck it up when it comes to consuming a lot of anime (sadly) and I do have my shows where I just turn my brain off to content I find gross so I can enjoy the entirety of the series. But something about Made in the Abyss progressively and shamelessly sexualizing it’s kid characters was too hard to look pass for me. This just shouldn’t be legal, even if it’s animation.
Things is, I didn't even notice these shit
@@YukiXKohaku a lot of it went over my head like the bowel movements because I didn't view it as something that can even be sexualized (because it shouldn't be lol). But things like the boy's dong getting hard or apparently something with a butt plug (which I must've erased from memory because my sister brought it up when we talked about it. It's been a long time) are hard to miss and clearly uncomfortable even with the benefit of the doubt. It's stuff like that that makes it too hard to rewatch for me with the idea these were possibly written for sexualization, including the small things I didn't think on before.
In my case I can't stand the Chucky series, is more propaganda than horror and knowing how pissed the u.s. society is if certain characters die, is gonna be a mess
I'm for freedom of expression on japanese media so Made in Abyss and other concepts can make what they want with their fictional children, after all, they're FICTIONAL; let's not end like the australian politicians
@@abrahamlupis9354 why is pedophilia allowed for you but things like gender diversity is too much 💀
@@sapphic.flower because is confusing and a mess
I love this series for the story and how it is a unique experience where you cannot get from other stories in any other media. That said I'm not excusing any of these valid accusations towards the author's fetishizations and I will not fault anyone for backing out of the series for those reasons. It's hard to even make the art over artist argument here because it's the art itself that is problematic. Fact of the matter is I'm just tolerating it (for very personal reasons these kinds of things no longer bother or gross me out) but that doesn't mean anyone else should. It's unfortunate that many people couldn't get into a very unique and mind blowing story for this reason but it be how it is. I do have hopes that this will appear much less later in the story since the author had started focusing more on the legally aged characters for the last couple of recent chapters.
Made in abyss is one of y favorite animes of all time because it's so unique and I really like the tragic mysterious story, but it's so sad it cannot be as big as other great animes because it's weird in a lot of ways. I've heard many people say that they'd want to watch it if it wasn't for all the weird things you have mentioned. It's a masterpiece but all the weird scenes could be replaced with much more meaningful scenes about the struggles of the abyss.
Thank god for this video 😩
You know I thought there wouldn't be much that could shock or bother me after reading both Kodomo no Jinkan and Jou-sama no Eshi (both decent manga that are definitely hard to recommend). But somehow Dawn of The Deep Soul managed to get a "oh Jesus 🤦 what have I gotten myself into this time". That was upon seeing Prushka for the first time and her a Riko having a little girl talk ...about Reg. Then there came the part where all the memes about the "cartridges" started to make sense
Im suprised you didnt like dawn of the deep soul! I feel like thats where the story is at its best because of what a uniqe villain bondrewd is
I’ve always wanted to get into this series but have had conflicted thoughts due to scenes I’ve seen. So I’m glad it’s at least discussed to be too much among people who absolutely love this show. Maybe I’ll reconsider and give it a try at some point.
Anyone know the best way to experience it? Show, manga, video game? Etc.
Manga
@@abrahamlupis9354 no
This was a surprisingly fair and grounded analysis, from the title I expected surface level bashing of the story, but I was wrong. I was very surprised to see ExplanationPoint's video brought up in this all these years later, I agree with him on almost all points but that video was made before Dawn if the Deep Soul so I'd like to know if his opinion has changed. When it comes to the village of hollows and the many fetishes that are displayed there, one thing I'll say is that I really don't believe one man can have that many fetishes, like it's a lot. Were I to analyze the hollow village story arc, I would compare it to the biblical Sodom and Gomorrah. A village based solely around accruing one's deepest desires, resulting in the village being torn apart and the deaths of all inhabitants. The parallel is pretty close even without the visual cues like how Faputa carries Reg after defeating him. There are also bits of the parable of the Tower of Babel with the humans creating a literal tower to surpass their humanity, to become something greater; and the eventual fall of the tower by God (or in this case Faputa, who is revered like a god.) All in all I think it's a very good series, I think this video was a very good analysis, and I think you might like WatTheWut's summary of Bondrewd as a character, it does not justify his actions but explains his actions in a very clear way that even I missed while reading the manga, giving an extra layer of depth to an already great story.
Final note, the purple cyclops Pakoyan is actually Vueko's romantic partner, something the anime hinted at but left out.
I don‘t mind these fictional children getting in horrible situations. I mean, thank goodness they‘re fictional. For many physically existing children in the real world rn it‘s not really better :
The gore doesn't bother me much personally either, especially since it adds to the worldbuilding of MiA. The kids are in dangerous situations so it makes sense that they would be injured. It is unfortunate to think about real children in dangerous situations everyday but since the events of MiA are fantastical, at least its not depicting real life dangers. Maybe there is something to be discussed about depictions of real children in dangerous situations vs. animations of the same thing. Thank you for leaving your thoughts
Yeah, Cuties taught us that real children shouldn't do certain things
Funny that the Gore doesn’t bother you but the sexualized scenes do… 🧐
@@abrahamlupis9354 that abomination is the thing I can't believe Netflix allowed to exist, like who bribed them to release that?
@@kimitohanahala8674 Netflix only paid for distribution, it was made by french, directed by a black woman that wanted to show this and that all the feminists accepted