Yes all new trucks are using more def reason being is because they are using less exhaust gas Recirculation (EGR) which is a very good thing egr is what causes a lot of issues
Back when I was still driving, most companies bought Kenworth, Peterbilt, Western Star, and Mack. Companies and Owner Operators bought trucks expecting to get reliably too put a million miles plus on them. Driver comfort wasn't much of a consideration then. But it was great driving trucks that you knew would always make the trip. And were easy to repair along the road if you did have a problem. I don't understand this fleet mentality of selling of their trucks at four hundred thousand miles. Trucks aren't fully broken in until after a hundred thousand miles. You aren't getting your full value of your trucks by operating that that way, you're just throwing money out the window. I drove a 1962 GMC cabover pulling wiggle wagons up and down the west coast. It was a love, hate relationship. Listening to that old Detroit screaming day and night. But it never let me down. It was comfortable, but still fun to drive. It was a true workhouse. We had no cell phones, no computers, you dealt with everything yourself on the road. I'm not sure that I would trust new trucks to do the same. I appreciate the way you think, and you approach to trucking
7:58: this is how you would order a car from the dealer in the 60's, nowadays, if you want leather seats, you have to opt for a certain transmission and up the price by $10k
You also may consider having a older spare tractor to put in service when newer equipment is in the shop. Study California EPA laws and enforcement. It's headed east, not going to get around it.
Just for your info i got into a 5700xe 2019 with a btrain 63500 kg from a t800 2011 isx deleted and powerwise it is as strong as the cummins deleted and that truck had a lot of power already. For full ecomony for a round trip of roughly 1250km loading in glenevis Alberta to a little farther than dawson creek British columbia. Thats a 14-15 hour round trip it took roughly 620 liter of fuel per day and about 1/4 tank of def per day. Def tank is about 60-70 liter. And that run was mostly highway with a lot of hill sometime going up with the 4way flasher on 30km/h with my foot to the floor to give you an idea. About reliability my brother drive a 4900ex with a dd15 and they change them at about 750-800 000 km and had no major issue with emmission. As far as i know the detroit have better emmission system than most of the other brand. Maxxforce have terrible emmission system for sure. But emmission are getting better as well. The tiers 5 are coming and they will have no egr and only def so they might take a little def fluid but but also be better on engine because they have no egr. You can research the new c13b cat on youtube. It is a generator engine but they talk about in the video. Also they are coming up with assymetric twin scroll turbo who gonna replace the vgt turbo and be much more reliable. You can research that on Adept Ape channel. He explain that.
The ONLY Reason Why the Pete is more Money is only because of the NAME the Kenworth is a Better Truck!!!! You need to Try FUEL OX Additive to your Fuel You can Gain anywhere from One to Two miles more to your Miles Per Gallon. There are a couple of CZcams Truck Channels and they use it and they swear by it they do see the Fuel Gain per mile. Try it l believe that you will be Happy plus save money for your company. Awesome video as always
I just completely rebuilt my 99 pete inside and out and even though it has 2 million miles everything is rebuilt or brand new and I have no bank note thank you Jesus! Now I did just bout an 82 359 and let me tell you that is a real truck! It’s like new one owner Guarge kept and even though you could make it a parade truck I will be working it! I have a different business model than most guys this makes the 2nd 80s model classic I have bout and I’m going to keep them like new but I can work on them! And I have been holding parts for a while because I new what I was going to do!!! Great video by the way!!!
Owned Freightliner, Kenworth W900 and now Peterbilt 389. Freightliner was always a joke with parts - everything had to be ordered. Kenworth costed me TWICE more to maintain then Peterbilt, maybe thats dealers in Canada but every part to KW was twice more plus had constant leaks of coolant/oil somewhere. Im more then happy with Peterbilt, 1,02 mil KM and not a single coolant leak, parts costs less, ride quality way better, no issues with capping tires or anything like that. Only thing i miss from W900 is how smooth door was locking, seen some old kenworths at junkyard and door was still closing with soft CLICK.
virtually identical and functionally equivalent. the old-style bricks are the same and the aero-long hauls are identical they have the same engines/transmissions, axles, options and it depends on which you can get faster or cheaper
we have a 2020 Western Star dd15 505hp12 speed auto, gets right at 6mpg and we idle all night and drive the speed limit going east to west coast with a reefer, 75,000lbs. Uses 3 to 4 gallons of def a day, going 750 miles a day. 2019 Mack Anthem mp8 505hp 12 speed auto, same thing. East to west coast, Idle all night, driving speed limit and reefer 75,000lbs 5.6mpg. average 750 miles a day. 4 to 5 gallons of def.
I am sorry I am a Kenworth man best truck I ever drove had a 425 cat with a 10 speed put several hundred thousands miles on her it was a 2000 model awesome truck it would tote the mail any time you wanted to. I have watched these companies try out the newer trucks but for some reason you see them refurbish the old ones and keep them rolling.?????
My money is on the gliders and old trucks. Run them until you're told to scrap them. After my experiences with emissions trucks and lost production, lost loads, lost revenue and the repair bills/ tow bills, I'd never let an old truck go. Seeing the prices for the non emissions and gliders rising in the past few months, I'd say buy what you can as soon as you see them, once they're gone, they're really gone. Oil and gas, heavy haul and logging in Canada is hard on trucks and for the cost of downtime, we could have rebuilt an old truck a few times over. Everyone I know who runs old iron and keeps it maintained is profitable. Most guys who run emissions trucks are barely above water and many threw in the towel or went broke trying to stay open.
Enjoyed the video. I'm running a new 2022 Pete. It has a 565 Cummins, 18 sp, 280 WB, 2.36 rears, 2050 torque. My def usage is the same compared to the 2017 I sold with the ISX. My fuel milage average is at 6.25. The newer Cummins has less emission censors on them and engine running cooler then the ISX. Although I normally run 75k to 80k with a reefer I am very pleased so far.
In the process to control emissions Unfortunately you need more fuel to have better emissions. EGR, def, dpr, scr usually you need a lot of heat for better results and more heat means more fuel. No sense....
The Ford power stroke actually puts fuel in the engine on the exhaust stroke just to put raw fuel in the exhaust so keep it hot, buddy did a delete and shut the fuel down, huge milage gain
I got a 2021 x15 cummins 605 hp 300wb haul reefer with 75-80k gross always. I get about 5.5 - 5.7 if i drive 66-69mph and def lasts me about 23-2500 miles off a 30 gallon tank. Great truck, runs nice definitley recomend
Your guess is as good as mine. They claim def/smog engines run cleaner but they get less fuel milage and burn more diesel. Non emission engines get far better fuel milage and burn less fuel so where is the sanity in the feds logic. Thank you and god bless.
Stange that us brits have emissions engines. Were getting 7 to 10+mpg with no issues what so ever. Dont see what all the fuss is about. My truck has an emissions engine and the past 7 and a half years it has given me good fuel economy and a tank full of adblue (DEF) will last me a week , some times more . But 90% of the time im running at 44tons.
@@susansullivan9255 wasn't mercedes or vw hit with massive fine for hiding the true numbers of their carbon out put as well as mpg and this is in europe not the states. They already got heavily fined here.
We have a 2021 kenworth w900l and it does take more def.. We have great luck with the cummins motor in newer the trucks. Gross weight is 65000 kgs or 143000 pounds hauling in Ontario. 605 hp 2050 torque
Would start looking for a used truck and spend a bit a money to get it up to standards and you know what you have then new trucks look good but can also have failures to yes you get a warranty on them .but your old one can be fixed to .but best of luck in your purchase .
What a great dilemma to have! After 40 years of pounding the pavement in Kenworths, Pete's and Frieghtshakers, I finally have a cushy gig. Strictly highway regional, paid by the hour, light loads one way and empty back. Only one problem, the owner hates Peterbilts and has an all Volvo fleet! Now God had to humble me I guess, and the I-Shift really isn't that bad, but it's a rough riding thing made of tupperware, and it's butt ugly. The owner's boys are all largecar fans but I guess we have to wait until dad retires or goes to Heaven before we can go there, lol.... I tend to agree with the ones here saying find an older Paccar product and rebuild. You'll have happy drivers, no emissions BS, and trucks that can be repaired easily. Zipties, duct-tape and tarp straps are the drivers best friends. Steering wheel holders need not apply...
I loved my 99 Volvo day cab 167 wheel base, 60series 9speed direct drive, 2.73 gears, paid $15K for it with 560K miles, gave it away with a pile of junk in a package deal
200k for a prime mover … wow that’s twice as much as we pay in Britain, admittedly ours are cab overs but that means your paying 100k for a sleeping compartment. Also most companies over here do R&M contracts with there dealers, run them for 3 to 5 years then swap them in for newer models, and if work slackens trucks can be sent back at any time with no penalties.
100% right the a majority of the fleet trucks go out of country and get emissions deleted then alot also go to farms where they run short haul from fields to silos or refineries
We have 2017 uses very little DEF and we have 2019 they uses a lot DEF. Same size DEF tanks. I feel mine up Friday night I am good all week. The guys with the newer trucks fill up Wednesday and Friday. I think they are 15 gallon tanks not a 100% sure on the size.
Lots of the hashed out fleet trucks end up on farms for short hauls and short amount of time a year harvest. Of course we liked it better when 10 grand got a good beater, instead of 30 or 40 grand.
Lets talk trucks. My favorite subject right now, because prices have changed so much. ET transport makes a very good point. Disc brakes also flex there stopping power and maintence specs. Lets here why a hood truck is wise purchase.
Who cares which is most expensive, I would take a Kenworth all day long studio sleeper, or even a 72" with a couch in the he back, low top or tall with a bunk bed, T800 is my favorite over the W900
I would say and you probably know is to order a 389 now. Because by next year the 389s will be discontinued. Just like the W990 with a T680 cab the replacement for the 389 will most likely be a 567/579 cab with a big hood. I would say order with what your most comfortable with. 389 order slots are becoming rare.
At this point you should be getting fleet discounts on parts and supplies. Closer dealership and knowledge of current emission systems would be a priority.
Peterbilt. Longer build time and Pete's are mostly show trucks and they have some electrical problems even though they're built by PACCAR. Kenworth is simply The World's Best. More choices (W900 or T800) day cab ( regular and extended) , types of sleepers, etc. PACCAR build a truck for YOUR needs, not an off the shelf truck with add one. Thank God you're ordering from a local dealer. Our local police department ordered a hundred new Chargers from a dealership in Kentucky with an office in Memphis, Tennessee . The cars were speced out for patrol use and showed up with carpeting, and other things not required for police cars and the local dealers (Dodge, Ford and GM) were upset and the city passed a requirement for purchasing vehicles from local dealers
Both are awesome brands but if we go best of the best it’s Peterbilt. Which is why paccar sent overseas kenworth and their Golden brand Peterbilt is exclusively for America. Peterbilt has an aluminum hood vs a fiberglass hood on any other truck including kenworth which is a big major factor as well. At the end of the day it’s preference but this is the truth📜 anything else is just PERSONAL PREFERENCE
Doesn't matter what you think about emission engines. EPA will be putting those that delete emission systems out of business. Look at the fines they have levied on some of the diesel programming outlets. Private haulers are next. Too easy to tell when emissions are deleted. All you have to do is watch the exhaust outlet or look into it for black soot. It will become part of a roadside inspection....and I am betting sooner than later.
You are correct. I've been going back and forth with some dude about emission engines and how great their small fleet runs now that they've deleted them where as i attempted to warn him about getting caught at the scales or in a inspection by the d.o.t. or a.q.m.d. that they would levy heavy fines and make them restore all the smog equipment. He laughed at me saying in his state they don't enforce it but i told hom what a highway patrol officer once told me, he said emissions are federal and they supersede state laws so if your vehicle was manufactured with it, it better be left alone.
Want a cheap truck, put in a pre EGR 60 series Detroit, good fuel mileage and cheap to build, even buy newer trucks and do engine swaps, can always sell a newer engine
Kenworth will also be lighter according to my Pete dealer, but I talked to a guy with a 2019 W900 studio sleeper 280wb and all aluminum step deck tri axel 17.5 tires that was over 37K# wet, that's heavy
That’s not my experience the Kenworth never had the resale my petes have had my last one bought a used Pete 379 52k sold it last year For a large gain almost twice what I paid for it .
The W900 has a good resale value according to condition, most Kenworth trucks are not kept up as nice as Pete's, T600 and T800 will never compete with the price of a 379 or 389 on resale value, stay strong
Justin, I thought you were not a fan of Cummins motors, more into cars, or do I have it backwards. That's alot of money but you know what is best for Flintcreek.
Yeah I think I would be hunting for another glider I have been told the new 2021 and 22 are using about a gallon more on def every 500 or so miles but not drastic and would definitely stay away from pacar motors but don’t think u would get 1/2 million out of anything that is new
Buying a new truck, they expect you to dump it in four years and buy again, vicious cycle, but new truck is made to live four years through the paying customer, after that nobody cares, asked my dealer that I'm 44 years old and want to buy my one and only last new truck and he laughed at me, my last new truck is 15 years old now with million one on it, he said a new truck is going to be a money pit at some point, and also is government going to let us keep driving our old trucks for another twenty years
@@flintcreektransport That would actually be the cheapest way to go, you can get a wore out pre emission/pre e-log w9 or 379 Pete for around 20-30 grande or even cheaper if you can find one that's been parked for a while. A full restoration rebuild motor/tranny/diffs/brake's, new interior/paint/wireing/airlines ect shouldn't cost more then a 100 grande, so your still only at $130,000.00 It seems like a more economical way to go, plus you got old school reliability.
I own a couple of car haulers and I will never pay 290k plus for a new Def monster... they only way to go is with a 1999 or older truck and strip it to the frame and rebuild it... I can put all the chrome and custom everything on it and not come close to 300k... the truck will run forever and look better than these cookie cutter trucks they are mass producing that do not stay on the road without having Def issues at around 300k miles... more power, straight pipe, 20 something years old and making that money.... yup old school for me all day everyday!
you taking a W900 or their new W990? I'm pretty sure you can find $5000 difference between two or three Peterbilt dealers if your willing to go with a dealer not right in your back door. but then that will go for with the Kenworth dealers to. either way PACCAR way to go.
@@flintcreektransport cool. I sent you a email. Met up with one of your driver's headed back to your yard crossing into DE maybe 2 weeks ago. Not sure what he was hauling. Walking floor
@@flintcreektransport i was replying to the guys who suggested you buy a truck from Fitzgerald. Id bet they were giving a referral for a company they have never done business with.
you can not idle emissions engines, cummins recommends no more than 3 mins, also be aware millage is not the only warranty item the use engine hours also, 5 yr 500000 or 10000 engine hours on warranty read the fine print closely, keep track of the oil usage, oil is soot soot is ash ash plugs the dpf, clean the dpf when the first code for dpf regen complete but insufficent , aprox 150k miles, high def usage is usually from a nox sensor reading incorrectly
Hey Justin we lease our trucks out of a place in Indiana, patriot truck leasing / ruble truck sales. fantastic to work with, can get any brand you want. We’ve had KW and Pete brand new on 2-4 year leases then send them back. Over the life of our emission trucks tho we haven’t had really any emission problems out of the new X15 it’s a great motor. We have had more problems with wiring and the new hydraulic clutches in the 880 pulling our walkers in the landfill then anything emissions related. We pull walkers just like you do, but we’re trash haulers. The leasing is a bit more per month, but when a truck starts acting up we send it back. It keeps the drivers in new trucks and good iron rolling down the road with warranty. I have a 565 in my w990 getting about 5 mpg and medium def tank, I think it’s the 25 gal one, last 1 week running 9 - 11 hours a day.
@@flintcreektransport we work with Ben and tony ruble, their family owns the place and take great care of us. Like I said the payment is a little more then from the dealership, but offers an alternative to being locked into these emission motors. If a truck acts up they have taken it back and got us a different truck. Which they have done with a few of our problem child’s. They order your spec from new if you sign a multi year lease and you can still work with your local dealers, we’ve had Pete’s from Utica general and KWs from north east. If you give Ben and tony a call let them know JAZ Trucking sent you, Or if you have any questions I’d be happy to give you more insight into our setup
I got my 2018 389 glider for $175,000 63” flattop 310”wb 3:55 2ws cat (1999) with 4 year unlimited warranty full locking xl driveline Alum cross members all disk 18sp espar wide track 13.2 front twin 150’s 8 inch Lincoln chrome stove tops cab markers omitted. Ordered it in 2017. Yes prices up. My dad priced a loaded w9 recently and they wanted 190. And also the glider kit itself was 101k with the rest being the finishing with engine and trans ect ect
Buy u a western star glider ther out ther n good shape put a new built cat in it 18 speed 370 rears ..ull have a top of the line truck..we have a 2 fleet one fleet is 98 models an 2005s we never touch em
Personally I think emissions trucks have gotten better. In your business if you run a lot of local routes vs long hwy runs that's what causes the issues with emissions. The fuel mileage usually makes the big difference with the new trucks on the hwy. New 7 to 8 old 4 to 5 mpg. That's driving 62-65 mph.
Check out the CZcams channel semi casual. If you don't know about them its the guys from Fitzgerald Peterbilt in Tennesee. It would be cool to see you guys do a collab video
All of you are wrong the most expensive truck is an international ProStar with a max force engine because it can never stay out of the shop
Then the x - 15 cummins and the paccar motors both say, hold my beer.
HAHAHA ..... You legit cracked me up !!!!
Don’t forget the A/C issue
I got 2015 Prostar with isx cummins deleted 525 hp 1820 tq runs great
That's any new truck. That's why I have a 84 86 99 and 2000 with a 99 build date. I prefer reliability and longevity.
Yes all new trucks are using more def reason being is because they are using less exhaust gas Recirculation (EGR) which is a very good thing egr is what causes a lot of issues
Back when I was still driving, most companies bought Kenworth, Peterbilt, Western Star, and Mack. Companies and Owner Operators bought trucks expecting to get reliably too put a million miles plus on them. Driver comfort wasn't much of a consideration then. But it was great driving trucks that you knew would always make the trip. And were easy to repair along the road if you did have a problem. I don't understand this fleet mentality of selling of their trucks at four hundred thousand miles. Trucks aren't fully broken in until after a hundred thousand miles. You aren't getting your full value of your trucks by operating that that way, you're just throwing money out the window. I drove a 1962 GMC cabover pulling wiggle wagons up and down the west coast. It was a love, hate relationship. Listening to that old Detroit screaming day and night. But it never let me down. It was comfortable, but still fun to drive. It was a true workhouse. We had no cell phones, no computers, you dealt with everything yourself on the road. I'm not sure that I would trust new trucks to do the same. I appreciate the way you think, and you approach to trucking
7:58: this is how you would order a car from the dealer in the 60's, nowadays, if you want leather seats, you have to opt for a certain transmission and up the price by $10k
I’d buy another used glider. Peace of mind not having to worry about the emissions.
Hear hear
You also may consider having a older spare tractor to put in service when newer equipment is in the shop. Study California EPA laws and enforcement. It's headed east, not going to get around it.
better off buying something that you can rebuild from the ground up and save 70-100k. seeing alot off 210-15-20k gliders right now
Hi brandon
May I ask some questions about glider please?
Thank you
Crazy pricing and valid points you made. I’m looking to purchase soon so I’m learning a lot from your channel. Thanks and keep it up
New subscriber from Canada 🇨🇦 been watching your videos for a while, great content
Just for your info i got into a 5700xe 2019 with a btrain 63500 kg from a t800 2011 isx deleted and powerwise it is as strong as the cummins deleted and that truck had a lot of power already.
For full ecomony for a round trip of roughly 1250km loading in glenevis Alberta to a little farther than dawson creek British columbia. Thats a 14-15 hour round trip it took roughly 620 liter of fuel per day and about 1/4 tank of def per day. Def tank is about 60-70 liter. And that run was mostly highway with a lot of hill sometime going up with the 4way flasher on 30km/h with my foot to the floor to give you an idea.
About reliability my brother drive a 4900ex with a dd15 and they change them at about 750-800 000 km and had no major issue with emmission.
As far as i know the detroit have better emmission system than most of the other brand. Maxxforce have terrible emmission system for sure.
But emmission are getting better as well. The tiers 5 are coming and they will have no egr and only def so they might take a little def fluid but but also be better on engine because they have no egr. You can research the new c13b cat on youtube. It is a generator engine but they talk about in the video. Also they are coming up with assymetric twin scroll turbo who gonna replace the vgt turbo and be much more reliable. You can research that on Adept Ape channel. He explain that.
Interesting that the emissions give so much trouble, I've driven cab over Volvo's for years and can't remember any emissions problems with them.
Justin, I've been driving for 38 years And I love your videos, They are educational !
Thankyou !!
The ONLY Reason Why the Pete is more Money is only because of the NAME the Kenworth is a Better Truck!!!! You need to Try FUEL OX Additive to your Fuel You can Gain anywhere from One to Two miles more to your Miles Per Gallon. There are a couple of CZcams Truck Channels and they use it and they swear by it they do see the Fuel Gain per mile. Try it l believe that you will be Happy plus save money for your company. Awesome video as always
Good video excellent topic about where this industry is headed emissions is killing it.
I just completely rebuilt my 99 pete inside and out and even though it has 2 million miles everything is rebuilt or brand new and I have no bank note thank you Jesus! Now I did just bout an 82 359 and let me tell you that is a real truck! It’s like new one owner Guarge kept and even though you could make it a parade truck I will be working it! I have a different business model than most guys this makes the 2nd 80s model classic I have bout and I’m going to keep them like new but I can work on them! And I have been holding parts for a while because I new what I was going to do!!! Great video by the way!!!
Thankyou ..... Those old 80 and 90 model trucks are awesome...
debt free is the way to be! and you can prolly sell it for a bit more then it cost to referb it
I drive a 2020 KW T680 for my company and on average I top DEF off every time I get fuel and it ranges from 5-8 gallons every time.
Owned Freightliner, Kenworth W900 and now Peterbilt 389. Freightliner was always a joke with parts - everything had to be ordered. Kenworth costed me TWICE more to maintain then Peterbilt, maybe thats dealers in Canada but every part to KW was twice more plus had constant leaks of coolant/oil somewhere. Im more then happy with Peterbilt, 1,02 mil KM and not a single coolant leak, parts costs less, ride quality way better, no issues with capping tires or anything like that. Only thing i miss from W900 is how smooth door was locking, seen some old kenworths at junkyard and door was still closing with soft CLICK.
virtually identical and functionally equivalent. the old-style bricks are the same and the aero-long hauls are identical
they have the same engines/transmissions, axles, options
and it depends on which you can get faster or cheaper
we have a 2020 Western Star dd15 505hp12 speed auto, gets right at 6mpg and we idle all night and drive the speed limit going east to west coast with a reefer, 75,000lbs. Uses 3 to 4 gallons of def a day, going 750 miles a day. 2019 Mack Anthem mp8 505hp 12 speed auto, same thing. East to west coast, Idle all night, driving speed limit and reefer 75,000lbs 5.6mpg. average 750 miles a day. 4 to 5 gallons of def.
I am sorry I am a Kenworth man best truck I ever drove had a 425 cat with a 10 speed put several hundred thousands miles on her it was a 2000 model awesome truck it would tote the mail any time you wanted to. I have watched these companies try out the newer trucks but for some reason you see them refurbish the old ones and keep them rolling.?????
My money is on the gliders and old trucks. Run them until you're told to scrap them. After my experiences with emissions trucks and lost production, lost loads, lost revenue and the repair bills/ tow bills, I'd never let an old truck go. Seeing the prices for the non emissions and gliders rising in the past few months, I'd say buy what you can as soon as you see them, once they're gone, they're really gone. Oil and gas, heavy haul and logging in Canada is hard on trucks and for the cost of downtime, we could have rebuilt an old truck a few times over. Everyone I know who runs old iron and keeps it maintained is profitable. Most guys who run emissions trucks are barely above water and many threw in the towel or went broke trying to stay open.
yea ..... you would think by now they would have more stuff figured out on emissions but it keeps getting more strict....
Enjoyed the video. I'm running a new 2022 Pete. It has a 565 Cummins, 18 sp, 280 WB, 2.36 rears, 2050 torque. My def usage is the same compared to the 2017 I sold with the ISX. My fuel milage average is at 6.25. The newer Cummins has less emission censors on them and engine running cooler then the ISX. Although I normally run 75k to 80k with a reefer I am very pleased so far.
glad to hear !!
2.36 rear? That's a little bit small isn't it
I think he meant 3.36
@@kyleomar3420 yeap. I meant 3.36 rears...
Depends on the truck . whats done to it . age miles etc etc .
I haven’t seen much of a different from my old Cummins to my new one. I average about 1 gallon every 100 miles.
In the process to control emissions Unfortunately you need more fuel to have better emissions. EGR, def, dpr, scr usually you need a lot of heat for better results and more heat means more fuel. No sense....
The Ford power stroke actually puts fuel in the engine on the exhaust stroke just to put raw fuel in the exhaust so keep it hot, buddy did a delete and shut the fuel down, huge milage gain
I got a 2021 x15 cummins 605 hp 300wb haul reefer with 75-80k gross always. I get about 5.5 - 5.7 if i drive 66-69mph and def lasts me about 23-2500 miles off a 30 gallon tank. Great truck, runs nice definitley recomend
interesting
How many miles on the odometer so far?
@@edwardmullins6735 52k
As long as your only looking at the two trucks. I myself prefer a Pete and it does look like it would be a bit more expensive than the KW.
The problem with this question is it has one GIANT variable that is impossible to predict.
The credit card bill from the chrome shop...............
Your guess is as good as mine. They claim def/smog engines run cleaner but they get less fuel milage and burn more diesel. Non emission engines get far better fuel milage and burn less fuel so where is the sanity in the feds logic. Thank you and god bless.
Stange that us brits have emissions engines. Were getting 7 to 10+mpg with no issues what so ever. Dont see what all the fuss is about. My truck has an emissions engine and the past 7 and a half years it has given me good fuel economy and a tank full of adblue (DEF) will last me a week , some times more . But 90% of the time im running at 44tons.
@@susansullivan9255 wasn't mercedes or vw hit with massive fine for hiding the true numbers of their carbon out put as well as mpg and this is in europe not the states. They already got heavily fined here.
I have never known the feds to be in possession of logic. You?
@@donnebes9421 hah you're right, i digress.
If they really wanted better mpg, they’d make the semi lighter and shorter. Weight decreases mpg, right?
Erg equipment out of ontario here has a brand new glider for sale. I think its listed at $320,000 Canadian
We have a 2021 kenworth w900l and it does take more def.. We have great luck with the cummins motor in newer the trucks. Gross weight is 65000 kgs or 143000 pounds hauling in Ontario. 605 hp 2050 torque
I would stay away from the Peterbilt 389 because of the new dash, that looks like a headache in the future
Would start looking for a used truck and spend a bit a money to get it up to standards and you know what you have then new trucks look good but can also have failures to yes you get a warranty on them .but your old one can be fixed to .but best of luck in your purchase .
What a great dilemma to have! After 40 years of pounding the pavement in Kenworths, Pete's and Frieghtshakers, I finally have a cushy gig. Strictly highway regional, paid by the hour, light loads one way and empty back. Only one problem, the owner hates Peterbilts and has an all Volvo fleet! Now God had to humble me I guess, and the I-Shift really isn't that bad, but it's a rough riding thing made of tupperware, and it's butt ugly. The owner's boys are all largecar fans but I guess we have to wait until dad retires or goes to Heaven before we can go there, lol....
I tend to agree with the ones here saying find an older Paccar product and rebuild. You'll have happy drivers, no emissions BS, and trucks that can be repaired easily. Zipties, duct-tape and tarp straps are the drivers best friends. Steering wheel holders need not apply...
Hey…. It pays the bills !!! Gotta do what you gotta do. Sounds like a nice job 👍🏽
I loved my 99 Volvo day cab 167 wheel base, 60series 9speed direct drive, 2.73 gears, paid $15K for it with 560K miles, gave it away with a pile of junk in a package deal
200k for a prime mover … wow that’s twice as much as we pay in Britain, admittedly ours are cab overs but that means your paying 100k for a sleeping compartment. Also most companies over here do R&M contracts with there dealers, run them for 3 to 5 years then swap them in for newer models, and if work slackens trucks can be sent back at any time with no penalties.
100% right the a majority of the fleet trucks go out of country and get emissions deleted then alot also go to farms where they run short haul from fields to silos or refineries
Great video Justin. 👍✌️🇺🇸!!
Thanks 👍
We have 2017 uses very little DEF and we have 2019 they uses a lot DEF. Same size DEF tanks. I feel mine up Friday night I am good all week. The guys with the newer trucks fill up Wednesday and Friday. I think they are 15 gallon tanks not a 100% sure on the size.
Feeling your def tank up is def tank abuse. A very serious mental condition.
I know Pete’s are putting a bigger def tank on the 2022s
Lots of the hashed out fleet trucks end up on farms for short hauls and short amount of time a year harvest. Of course we liked it better when 10 grand got a good beater, instead of 30 or 40 grand.
I know where a kw is with a 6nz cat. Currently a daycab but it comes with a studio sleeper
Lets talk trucks. My favorite subject right now, because prices have changed so much. ET transport makes a very good point. Disc brakes also flex there stopping power and maintence specs. Lets here why a hood truck is wise purchase.
I will be following up on that
Who cares which is most expensive, I would take a Kenworth all day long studio sleeper, or even a 72" with a couch in the he back, low top or tall with a bunk bed, T800 is my favorite over the W900
sounds like it would be better and go down south and find another good used old one like the grey one u got
Peterbilt is my choice for most expensive.
I would say and you probably know is to order a 389 now. Because by next year the 389s will be discontinued. Just like the W990 with a T680 cab the replacement for the 389 will most likely be a 567/579 cab with a big hood. I would say order with what your most comfortable with. 389 order slots are becoming rare.
At this point you should be getting fleet discounts on parts and supplies. Closer dealership and knowledge of current emission systems would be a priority.
Yes we do ….
I love the 379s and 389s and W900s daycabs
Peterbilt. Longer build time and Pete's are mostly show trucks and they have some electrical problems even though they're built by PACCAR. Kenworth is simply The World's Best. More choices (W900 or T800) day cab ( regular and extended) , types of sleepers, etc. PACCAR build a truck for YOUR needs, not an off the shelf truck with add one.
Thank God you're ordering from a local dealer. Our local police department ordered a hundred new Chargers from a dealership in Kentucky with an office in Memphis, Tennessee . The cars were speced out for patrol use and showed up with carpeting, and other things not required for police cars and the local dealers (Dodge, Ford and GM) were upset and the city passed a requirement for purchasing vehicles from local dealers
I always thought the kenworth cost more a lot of people say that don’t run the kenworth because it’s to heavy
For say but my Pete dealer said apples for apples same equipment that my T800 would be 400# lighter then a 389
Peterbilt
Man there’s just something about the w900. So badass
I bet you are rolling about the prices right now. We just bought a 2025 w900 tri axle and it was 275k
Yea. Crazy
Just remember pacar owns Pete and Kenworth. I have Pete cab over garbage trucks. Funny you plug into the computer it comes up Kenworth. Love them both
Both are awesome brands but if we go best of the best it’s Peterbilt. Which is why paccar sent overseas kenworth and their Golden brand Peterbilt is exclusively for America. Peterbilt has an aluminum hood vs a fiberglass hood on any other truck including kenworth which is a big major factor as well.
At the end of the day it’s preference but this is the truth📜 anything else is just PERSONAL PREFERENCE
Keep the visor off to. I know you like to put a better one on than the factory. I'd go KW.
Doesn't matter what you think about emission engines. EPA will be putting those that delete emission systems out of business. Look at the fines they have levied on some of the diesel programming outlets. Private haulers are next. Too easy to tell when emissions are deleted. All you have to do is watch the exhaust outlet or look into it for black soot. It will become part of a roadside inspection....and I am betting sooner than later.
You are correct. I've been going back and forth with some dude about emission engines and how great their small fleet runs now that they've deleted them where as i attempted to warn him about getting caught at the scales or in a inspection by the d.o.t. or a.q.m.d. that they would levy heavy fines and make them restore all the smog equipment. He laughed at me saying in his state they don't enforce it but i told hom what a highway patrol officer once told me, he said emissions are federal and they supersede state laws so if your vehicle was manufactured with it, it better be left alone.
Its frustrating.... when u look through truck paper finding a emission truck that has over 500k without being rebuilt is near impossible
Didn’t CA and NY just add some laws to pinpoint deleted diesels?
I agree its frustrating resale value.
Want a cheap truck, put in a pre EGR 60 series Detroit, good fuel mileage and cheap to build, even buy newer trucks and do engine swaps, can always sell a newer engine
If its anything like volvo or scania . Scania is around 30k more than the volvo and they are a better spec than the scania now .
Kenworth will be a bit more money up front, but will always have a higher resale value over the Pete.
Kenworth will also be lighter according to my Pete dealer, but I talked to a guy with a 2019 W900 studio sleeper 280wb and all aluminum step deck tri axel 17.5 tires that was over 37K# wet, that's heavy
That’s not my experience the Kenworth never had the resale my petes have had my last one bought a used Pete 379 52k sold it last year
For a large gain almost twice what I paid for it .
The W900 has a good resale value according to condition, most Kenworth trucks are not kept up as nice as Pete's, T600 and T800 will never compete with the price of a 379 or 389 on resale value, stay strong
👍😉. Good info.
Thanks! 👍
Peterbilt is Slightly more expensive also Pete holds it's value A little better
Justin, I thought you were not a fan of Cummins motors, more into cars, or do I have it backwards. That's alot of money but you know what is best for Flintcreek.
I am not a fan of cummins motors!!!
My 2021 peterbilt 389 paccar MX13 uses a lot of DEF
Kyle Campbell how many gallons of def does it use in a day
Personally I would get a glider. The emission trucks just suck and always are in the shop
My Thoughts exactly
I want one used MAC truck ( 2018-2020 product).
Yeah I think I would be hunting for another glider I have been told the new 2021 and 22 are using about a gallon more on def every 500 or so miles but not drastic and would definitely stay away from pacar motors but don’t think u would get 1/2 million out of anything that is new
Buying a new truck, they expect you to dump it in four years and buy again, vicious cycle, but new truck is made to live four years through the paying customer, after that nobody cares, asked my dealer that I'm 44 years old and want to buy my one and only last new truck and he laughed at me, my last new truck is 15 years old now with million one on it, he said a new truck is going to be a money pit at some point, and also is government going to let us keep driving our old trucks for another twenty years
Just wondering couldn't you restore a non emissions truck in less than a year for less than 200k?
im working on that too....
@@flintcreektransport
That would actually be the cheapest way to go, you can get a wore out pre emission/pre e-log w9 or 379 Pete for around 20-30 grande or even cheaper if you can find one that's been parked for a while. A full restoration rebuild motor/tranny/diffs/brake's, new interior/paint/wireing/airlines ect shouldn't cost more then a 100 grande, so your still only at $130,000.00
It seems like a more economical way to go, plus you got old school reliability.
I own a couple of car haulers and I will never pay 290k plus for a new Def monster... they only way to go is with a 1999 or older truck and strip it to the frame and rebuild it... I can put all the chrome and custom everything on it and not come close to 300k... the truck will run forever and look better than these cookie cutter trucks they are mass producing that do not stay on the road without having Def issues at around 300k miles... more power, straight pipe, 20 something years old and making that money.... yup old school for me all day everyday!
@@edwardmullins6735 think he said 190,000 for a new def monster lol
@@wilE6764 car haulers as a unit come with a trailer... the combo truck n trailer is 280k plus depending on options and such....
Peterbilt hands down if always gonna cost more.
the long hood have always been one or my loves for the peterbilts, kenworth has been growing on me though.
They are beautiful trucks !!
Most would be exported to other countries.
you taking a W900 or their new W990? I'm pretty sure you can find $5000 difference between two or three Peterbilt dealers if your willing to go with a dealer not right in your back door. but then that will go for with the Kenworth dealers to. either way PACCAR way to go.
yes they drinking more def used glider k dub is the way to go
Pete more expensive
Whattup Justin? What rears do you order on your tractors 3.55's?
3;55 or 3:36
@@flintcreektransport cool. I sent you a email. Met up with one of your driver's headed back to your yard crossing into DE maybe 2 weeks ago. Not sure what he was hauling. Walking floor
It doesn't matter. I will choose Kenworth every time. Regardless of the price.
You ought to fix up the 378.
Only buy bose seats your drivers backs will love you. Do a build with the semi casual guys from fitzgerald.
maybe @semicasual
Have you bought a truck from Fitzgerald?
@@gkenn99 no
@@flintcreektransport i was replying to the guys who suggested you buy a truck from Fitzgerald. Id bet they were giving a referral for a company they have never done business with.
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you can not idle emissions engines, cummins recommends no more than 3 mins, also be aware millage is not the only warranty item the use engine hours also, 5 yr 500000 or 10000 engine hours on warranty read the fine print closely, keep track of the oil usage, oil is soot soot is ash ash plugs the dpf, clean the dpf when the first code for dpf regen complete but insufficent , aprox 150k miles, high def usage is usually from a nox sensor reading incorrectly
Probably KW because of the class
Hey Justin we lease our trucks out of a place in Indiana, patriot truck leasing / ruble truck sales. fantastic to work with, can get any brand you want. We’ve had KW and Pete brand new on 2-4 year leases then send them back. Over the life of our emission trucks tho we haven’t had really any emission problems out of the new X15 it’s a great motor. We have had more problems with wiring and the new hydraulic clutches in the 880 pulling our walkers in the landfill then anything emissions related. We pull walkers just like you do, but we’re trash haulers. The leasing is a bit more per month, but when a truck starts acting up we send it back. It keeps the drivers in new trucks and good iron rolling down the road with warranty. I have a 565 in my w990 getting about 5 mpg and medium def tank, I think it’s the 25 gal one, last 1 week running 9 - 11 hours a day.
Interesting ill check them out
@@flintcreektransport we work with Ben and tony ruble, their family owns the place and take great care of us. Like I said the payment is a little more then from the dealership, but offers an alternative to being locked into these emission motors. If a truck acts up they have taken it back and got us a different truck. Which they have done with a few of our problem child’s. They order your spec from new if you sign a multi year lease and you can still work with your local dealers, we’ve had Pete’s from Utica general and KWs from north east. If you give Ben and tony a call let them know JAZ Trucking sent you, Or if you have any questions I’d be happy to give you more insight into our setup
Tight places your basically better off with a cabover especially where i am .
Peterbuilt same spec. Volvo the cheapest. 5500 options.
Have you even looked at a Lonestar|International. Cummins engine 405-600 hp
not a fan of the styling
Only reason they made kw was to keep the trainees out of the Peterbilt LOL
KW is the BIGG BRO of Pete!!!!! Remember K is before P!!! U learned that from school!!!!!!
I got my 2018 389 glider for $175,000 63” flattop 310”wb 3:55 2ws cat (1999) with 4 year unlimited warranty full locking xl driveline Alum cross members all disk 18sp espar wide track 13.2 front twin 150’s 8 inch Lincoln chrome stove tops cab markers omitted. Ordered it in 2017. Yes prices up. My dad priced a loaded w9 recently and they wanted 190.
And also the glider kit itself was 101k with the rest being the finishing with engine and trans ect ect
Both are pacaar company but overall I'd say KW in the end
I say peterbilt
Buy u a western star glider ther out ther n good shape put a new built cat in it 18 speed 370 rears ..ull have a top of the line truck..we have a 2 fleet one fleet is 98 models an 2005s we never touch em
Interesting u say that paccar doesn't want you hauling over 110,000. We haul 140,000lbs/63,500kg with our 510. We are switching to cummins 565/2050
But how long will it last is the question
Personally I think emissions trucks have gotten better. In your business if you run a lot of local routes vs long hwy runs that's what causes the issues with emissions. The fuel mileage usually makes the big difference with the new trucks on the hwy. New 7 to 8 old 4 to 5 mpg. That's driving 62-65 mph.
Depends on the application
I agree. They can save you $20K and more when you drive the newer trucks right. High mpg is extremely important.
Peterbilt is more expensive this is before you video
I think it’s b.s. that they stopped new gliders being built. Greatest thing in the truck market was that option.
the pete is going to be the more expensive rig
The Peterbilt more expensive
are you ordering a w990 or w900
w900l
Check out the CZcams channel semi casual. If you don't know about them its the guys from Fitzgerald Peterbilt in Tennesee. It would be cool to see you guys do a collab video
T680 for me …
Peterbilt 💸💸
Is this the owner in the videos ?
Yes Partner , Family business