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- Emmanuel Acho, LeSean McCoy, Ric Bucher, and James Jones debate if Cincinnati Bengals QB Joe Burrow can dethrone Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes.
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I love how this bum Shady gets emotional when he's wrong. All of sudden Burrow has weapons...but conveniently leaves that out talkin about Hurts. What a joke
“He was about 40 seconds away from another Super Bowl” yeah, by that logic Mahomes was one pre snap penalty away from 3 super bowls. And an overtime away from 4 super bowls. See how dumb that sounds ?
Fact..that's always overlooked
And the Bengals barely beat chiefs when they lost SB
lol they always forget that so you telling me a defensive penalty and when they got greed against the bengals when it would have been like 24-7 Pat could have had been in 5 super bowls
Yep easily could have played in 5 SBs by now instead of 3.
I mean...those are true as well lol. Had Dee Ford not jumped offsides, Mahomes would have been in 4 of the last 5 SBs
People seem to forget that Burrow got hurt in his first year and was 2-7-1 before the injury. When he came back to the team the Bengals had added Trey Hendrickson, Mike Hilton, Chidobe Awuzie, Ja'Marr Chase, Joseph Ossai, Evan McPherson, etc. Not discrediting how good Burrow is, but this notion that he single-handedly turned around the Bengals organization is crazy.
GREAT points!
This💯💯
Bengals roster clears KC past 2 years Mahomes and burrow played against each other. Mahomes just different !!!!
Bengals roster is better. But the Pat/Trav/Andy combo is wild
If someone says he did it singlehanded then they don’t understand how professional football works. This is obvious. All of these dudes and Burrow get props all the time
The Brady-Manning debate was great because one guy had all the regular season success and the other had all the playoff success
Mahomes has both. He’s Brady and Manning of this era. Maybe Josh or Burrow could become a Big-Ben/Rodgers type
for now anyway. the thing with Joe is he only had two healthy full seasons compared to Josh and Mahomes. This is the season when you can really judge him behind a decent o-line.
@@metsrusand he still lost to mahomes with worse weapons and a comparable defense while is 3 best wide receivers left the game and was on one leg.
@@austinhorn9566 like i said Mahomes is still the best, but this coming season is where we get the real Joe burrow, playing behind an o-line that lets him do his job.
@@metsrus he had a decent o line last year. When mahomes had a bad o line he still won a Super Bowl and took a team to a Super Bowl and won an mvp. Also with how handicapped mahomes was last year in the playoffs against burrow with all his weapons still there and still lost to mahomes with one leg and only his tight end left means burrow just isn’t as good as mahomes he just isn’t
@@austinhorn9566 the line was decent but was decimated by the time they played the Chiefs, that's on the Bengals though, for not having good back ups, no excuse. Yea, will see who's better this season. we can argue as much as we want but they still gotta play the games.
I love how they have conversations like this like the QBs duel each other directly
Results matter casual.
Facts lol
Literally the exact same position in the exact same sport. It literally is a duel.
@@jmoney6043what’s more important, 3-1 or 2 super bowls? It’s really not close. Winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners.
You do. Go out there and lead your team to a win.
There are only 12 QBs with more than one Super Bowl win. There is only one currently playing that is Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes is the only QB ever to have a winning record when trailing. He also has never played a road playoff game. That is 5 years of never playing on the road in the playoffs. He has more playoff wins than many franchises.
He never played for the Bengals neither he would never made it to the Super Bowl if he did.
What an indictment of Aaron Rodgers 😆
It’s a funny argument saying Burrow went to the worse team, while overlooking the fact that the Chiefs had to trade up from the 27th spot to get Mahomes…lol
The last argument attempting to be made, asking what if Burrow had beaten the Chiefs in the last AFC Championship game….well what if Dee Ford hadn’t lined up offsides against the Patriots in 2019!? 🤔. That would then be 4 SB appearances and likely 3 SB rings for Mahomes!
@@blackwisdom or even if he had just a coin flip in favor of the chiefs.
@@blackwisdom The Chiefs we’re 11-5 and 12-4 the 2 years before they drafted Mahomes and 10-6 winning the Division with Mahomes watching on the bench he went to a ready made winning culture loaded on offense with the best coach in NFL
“Patrick Mahomes has done a lot 3 Super Bowl appearances, 2 Super Bowl wins, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 regular season MVPs in 5 going on 6 years”
So we gone act like Patrick Mahomes didn’t throw for 5000+ passing yards 40+ TDs without Tyreek Hill on the team won MVP and went to and won Super Bowl MVP and not having one WR make the pro bowl
I remember how this is literally how they did Tom Brady all throughout his career😂
Ikr
Mahomes is NOT Tom Brady
@@kellyballaro7846I’m so tired of that comparison. Mahomes is in his own lane.
@@kellyballaro7846That's Because Mahomes Is Better
@@kellyballaro7846I know Mahomes is in an entirely different zip code. He’s going down as the best of all time
Am I the only one who sees how much Burrow gets sacked? Why don’t we ever talk about that? He had a bad o line for a while, but not the last year. After the Super Bowl, the bengals spent a lot of money rebuilding the o-line and he STILL got sacked all the time
All I know is I been watching nfl for 50 years and no one has looked like mahomes playing the qb position. He just looks so different than all other qbs. He can do things Burroughs or Brady could never do.
Bro, at least spell his name correctly. Burrow. Ffs
He’s pressing Mahomes with what credentials?
I guess technically speaking, you don't need credential to be the best qb in the league. Everyone knew marino was the best, and he didn't win anything. You just got to be obvously better than everyone else. I don't believe Burrow is obvously better than mahommes, but it's also not like Mahommes is heads and shoulders better than burrow either. At the end of the day, though, it's kinda a stupid discussion because you don't win anything without a good team in the 1st place
@@WispFigmentMahomes is head and shoulders above everyone
Absolutely nothing. Off-season garbage.
@@WispFigmentyou definitely need credentials to be the best and the 80s was different plus once Montana started winning it wasn’t a debate
Completion percentage 💀
Bro like let me say this Mahomes was hurt and was missing 3 receivers in championship. If you give Mahomes those receivers I can’t imagine.
I know right mahomes has always had horrible receivers his whole career😂 none of y’all were saying this when y’all had Tyreek, it was always Tyreek and Kelce better but now y’all act like mahomes has never had good receivers
Give burrow that elite oline and kc weapons he wins multiple superbowls
@@BengalsNation513 well let’s not go there he had tyreek which was amazing. But when people thought Mahomes was going to not prove himself without him he did the complete opposite. As long as Mahomes and Andy Reid stay together the chiefs will always be contenders. Of course Kelce is a one and only tight end but at the end of the day Reid and Mahomes are awesome together
@@tristinquinn6232i believe that as well, as long as y’all have Reid, Mahomes, and Kelce y’all will be fine
@@johnohmer8131 bengals fans were saying that once they lost the Super Bowl. They said the next year would be different and it was y’all went to the championship and lost to the chiefs… that’s the difference. “Know your role and shut your mouth you jabroni”
I love how the note off-season appendicitis as the reason he’s not the same qb while Pat was actually banged up the whole second half of the season and obviously finished higher.
I'm saying it like Mahomes Daddy said after the Bowl " Smoking on that Joe Burrow mane!😂
Pat didn’t go to the worse team but it’s not like the chiefs were champs they used to have good regular seasons and choke every year in the playoffs
Also yes the bengals was bad but it’s not like burrow went there alone he got elite weapons immediately
They’re elite cuz he’s the best passer so it’s all him
@@emmanuelowen3246 it’s not all him of course he’s the main piece but if he didn’t have Chase and Higgins you think they’ll be elite ? No it was a perfect storm that they all basically came in together
it would be different if he went to a team with a weak receiving core and transformed them over night
@@emmanuelowen3246they're elite. Burrow threw to Jamar chase and Justin Jefferson in college. He's ALWAYS had elite weapons, we've never seen him without them. And eventually we will, and he'll be a backup.
That O-line in front of Burrow is awful though. He was looking like the next David Carr, even speedy Mahomes would've struggled with that kleenex line haha
Mahomes is in a class of his own. So much disrespect thrown his way. I’m with Shady
Nobody is better than my Quarterback Mahomes
Yeah, like the only people that is better than Mahomes is the referees because they like him but he is a Bath bomb guy
@@iranrogers2566still hurt huh? 😂
@@iranrogers2566imagine still making excuses sad
You are correct.
And no one is arguing that.
It’s Patrick Mahomes and everyone else. Burrow is on a class with Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts more than anything else. Give Mahomes Higgins, Chase, and Boyd on the outside and see what he does.
Terrifying thought
Dangerous territory
Give Joe Burrow Travis Kelce and Andy Reid and see what he does.
@@GooglyEyed-vp3id Andy Reid took McNabb to a Super Bowl so I’m sure Burrow can win some games 🤷🏾♂️
@@GooglyEyed-vp3id give mahomes tee Higgins Jamar chase Tyler Boyd Joe Mixon boy finna cook
The disrespect for mahomes is unreal. No one is close to dethroning him.
What about burrowhead? If I'm correct burrow had beat him 2 times in a row in his own house. Stop disrespecting burrow there on the same level.
Cincy had alot of questionable calls go against them in the last game they played. The nfl wanted mahomes to win his 2nd
@@bracketracingtv2447Cincy only won once in arrowhead the other 2 wins were in Cincy. Granted that one win was in the afc champ game
@@bracketracingtv24473 times
@@juanio7036 Name the calls that led to points for the Chiefs or to points being taken away for Cincy.
Lmao I love acho “yea shady that’s hard to do cmon now” 😂😂😂
Burrow and Allen have the regular season wins vs the Chiefs but are a combined 1-3 vs Mahomes in the playoffs. That’s where it counts.
Nah it don’t work like that joe 1-1 in the playoffs with pat and 3-1 all together don’t add Josh to make it look better
@@raymondbrown1564congrats? Buffalo and Cincy still can’t win a Super Bowl. Talk to me when your team wins 3 😂
Funny that how everytime they mention Shady won 2 superbowls, and he acts all cocky about it, maybe Acho should remind everyone that in both of those Superbowls that Shady didn't play a single snap, so he had no impact on the game besides sitting on the sideline watching the rest of the team win it. 😆😆
Im a bengals fan and burrow along with the other offensive weapons we've had like chase like mixon have really took us from a team that was poverty to a contending team. But patrick has got it done when its been clutch like in both of the superbowl wins especially the first one. So right now patrick is still the guy but burrow has shown he can hang with him and we've beaten them on a few occasions. I think its a good thing when we have so many good QBs in the AFC right now it really makes things interesting.
idk about Pat being clutch in both wins. That first SB Tyreek saved the game and Pat from his 3rd int on that duck he threw. Second SB a defensive td and longest punt return in SB history. Mahomes is the best qb in the NFL, but we need to stop pretending that he's so far ahead of every qb in the NFL
@@pipinghotarbys3079 facts. Mahomes is great, but not unreachable. He's had the best team created or him as soon as he came into the league. Best coach, best WR and TE, and a great o-line. Burrow and others had a few pieces but have yet to build the perfect teams. We've seen how Brady beat Mahomes twice, for the conf and for the SB. So he can be beat, just needs a team that's built better.
@@sonikspeed19Wtf are you talking about Tyreek was not the best wide receiver in the league when Mahomes got there, ppl were still questioning whether or not he could be a number 1 in the league his pro bowl was as a returner not a receiver, he became great with Mahomes as his QB. The Chiefs defense was awful, Mahomes hasn’t had a top 10 defense, he had Hung for half a season and hasn’t had a running back as good since. Burrow has had a better defense, he has better Weapons to throw too, and a better running game. Chiefs O-line has been better but that’s it. Bengals had a terrible season and got the number 1 pick doesn’t mean they are a disaster franchise they draft well and are typically in the mix this is before Burrow got there. Never having a road playoff game and being in 5 AFC chips, 2 MVPs, 2SBMVPs in his first 5 seasons as a starter is incredible and if it was reversed y’all would say Burrow is ahead of Mahomes and it’s not close so stop the BS.
@@Rosepapi So you argue with me that Tyreek was not a #1 receiver but then say he was in the conversation for the #1 spot and Mahomes helped confirm it. That's very much the same thing. We've seen Tyreek be great with another QB (Tua) so whether #1 or a #1 contender, it's still a huge weapon. So is Kelce, who many consider the best TW ever. Or Reid, who many consider the best offensive Coach. That's not nothing. The point is, KC was way better than Bengals were and Mahomes came into a great situation. An offensively talented QB with the best offensive Coach, and 2 of the best offensive weapons. Defense doesn't matter when you can score in 30 seconds. The way you win games is scoring more points.
@@sonikspeed19bro you sound so slow the chiefs wasn't a great team Andy Reid was one season away from being fired before he got Mahomes the chiefs have 3 super bowls in their franchise history Mahomes is the reason for 2 of them stop acting like Mahomes just got dropped off into the perfect situation Alex smith was 1-4 in the playoffs chiefs couldn't accomplish nothing in the playoffs till Mahomes
The toughest part for Burrow is that the Bengals themselves just put a massive target on their backs. Kansas City and Baltimore in particular are going to want to destroy them since the Bengals players and fans have no respect for those two teams. Heres my request, don't let Burrow deceive you, that is an unlikable team that deserves to eat crow this year with how much smack they've talked over the last year.
WHAT? CROW? We've been bad for 30 years! STOP it! We are FINALLY good.. Get a little Swag and we should eat Crow???? I noticed you said Baltimore.. I'm guessing that is your team. The only team WE hate is Pittsburgh. Not Cleveland Not Baltimore. And not KC. We want to beat them yes. But no hate. You are SOOO off base its Crazy
@@robertcrane1128They literally said “We’re going to Burrowhead” after a divisional playoff win and were smoking cigars
@@leetraviusmckay2919 No one smoked a cigar after that game except Eli Apple because he had an extra one. If you ask ANY other player, they'll say they only smoke them for championships aka winning the afc north championship or the super bowl. But if you want to be a baby and cry about 1 player saying Burrowhead, more power to you.
Also, there is the fact that they are arguably the most talented team in the league and in the next year or so they have to pay all those players and they probably won’t be able to keep everybody. Borough and Chase are getting their money but there’s a ton of people on that team that are young that will want to get paid and Burrow can’t leave the bangles to a Super Bowl win with his hugely talented roster but he’s going to do it in the future against Patrick Mahomes, when he has less talent doesn’t make sense. Patrick Mahomes talent around him is young, and he won the Super Bowl with it the teams only gonna get better.
@@nudle7377 it wasn’t just calling it burrow head. Remember what the mayor said? How about the fact that Ja’Marr Chase said something stupid like pat who?
The Bengals built an actual team though. We can’t act like Burrow is dragging a bum team to the top. Bengals put a real team together and are keeping things going.
KC lost their #1 WR, has had a pretty sad defense for a minute, and have a lot of return and slot guys in their WR core.
They lost Tyreek and almost everyone said “well it’s over”. Then Mahomes got injured…and he still showed up and showed out.
The list is Mahomes and………..that’s it.
I notice that sometimes, Shady does not listen to the question. Especially, if he likes the player.
If it's Pat, Andy or Philly you are just going to hear the gluk gluk 5000 go off when they get to him
@@dravenmlm4185 To be fair, Shady said that the Chiefs would miss the playoffs last season.
@@dravenmlm4185Bro for real it’s like he was having a different conversation with himself 😂.
Burrow is QB2 right now, but let's see what he does when all those rookie contracts are up and that all star team has to make some decisions.
If I remember correctly didn’t burrow get hurt his first year which then allowed them to acquire more talent in the draft ie jamar chase. Which I don’t think enough said about being able to get a familiar target into your wr room. The narrative that he just brought a team dumpster team to a contender by himself is a little wild imo
Yeah, Mahomes also sat out his first year behind Alex Smith. Neither played their Rookie seasons
as a bengals fan. right now it’s mahomes at 1 and i could agree with everyone else second. but burrow is the number 2 coming into the season and in the coming years yes he can over throne mahomes but it’s a HUGEEEEE feat to complete.
why are we having this discussion when mahomes has 1x OPOY x2 MVP and x2 SB MVP when burrow has none of those
3x all pro as well burrow ain’t never been one of those either
If was a fifth , that game spoke for itself , mahomes is the king , that’s why the bengals didn’t win , winning during the regular season whatever but when the game decides who goes home , that’s when the greatness comes out. There’s no dethroning Patric mahomes 😊
Ahahahaha.... Mahomes crapped himself behind a bad O line in the SB & choked away an entire half & OT AT HOME in the AFCCG... You Chiefs fans skipping chapters in your own history books. Quit dreaming.
I’m a bengals fan, and not yet he has to win 2 superbowls and at least a MVP. Burrow is gonna have to catch up to him and It’s gonna be hard but it’s not impossible. And also Shady also wasn’t even listening to what they were saying 😂 they were saying it is possible for Burrow to catch up to him, they weren’t saying he’s better than mahomes right now. Also I’ve noticed that whenever Burrow is brought up around shady, he starts trying to diss burrow immediately but let this had been about Jalen hurts or Allen catching up to mahomes he wouldn’t have been acting like that I promise you 😂
Burrow would need 3 Super Bowls because if they both have 2 then it's based on talent and Mahomes is more talented than Burrow
@@lokey_jacoby1278i guess 🤷🏽♂️
@@lokey_jacoby1278how long has burrow been in the league what about Patrick
@boost5916 Pat had a ring and an MVP by his 4th season Burrow is on his 4th and has 0
@@lokey_jacoby1278 Wrong, if Burrow has 2 Super Bowls and an MVP he's already beaten patty 3 times, head to head matters too
I'm just glad we're going to have the Mahomes vs Burrow rivalry for years to come.
I don't have a problem with Burrow, its just Mahomes is locked in that classroom by himself. Like the door is locked. People gotta stop hating on Mahomes greatness, its like they wanna throw the accomplishments aside to talk about 3-1. At the end of the day, after you talk about the 3-1 record, we gonna HAVE to talk about the accomplishments following that conversation. And it stings cause there nothing you can do about it.
it's 3-2 now
@@MusicManYT18 …
@@MusicManYT18Are you a prophet?
@@carter0791 huh? it's 3-2 bru
@@MusicManYT18 not since Burrow has been in Cinci lol. This past AFC championship was the first time Mahomes beat Burrow head to head.
Burrow better hurry up cause he’s about to lose a whole bunch of talent when those contracts come due. If he can’t win a ring now, it’s only going to get harder.
I just want to say, unless the league change defensive patterns or call different plays because of you at QB, you're not dethroning anyone. Mahomes basically answered every question league defenses asked of him. Reluctant to take the yards underneath at first but he's got that now. So where to from here?
Good point by the last guy. People forget how bad the Bengals were.
I gotta disagree. We're not going to act like the Bengals don't have one the best rosters in the league. Cincy definitely tanked to get Burrow and pieces around him. Let's not forget Burrow got hurt his rookie season, and the Bengals weren't doing well anyway. Cincy had a lot of draft capital. Burrow gets all the credit for turning that team around, but I say it's not all on him. Management and the team he has around him deserve equal parts of that credit.
@@cyrusbramlett8831tanked? We was trash
@MrSunjay14 Sure, doesn't negate the fact that the team tanked. 2 things can be correct.
burro and the Bagels played against a hobbled Mahomes with a bunch of rookies for the AFC championship and couldn't get it done
3-1 😂
In that 1 loss you lost to a QB on one leg
@@shawnchristianson324 3-1🤣
Exactly and Mahomes outplayed him going up against a way better defense
@@mattdagodzzz3762 doesn’t change the fact 3-1
It was Lamar vs Mahomes
Them its Allen vs Mahomes
Now Burrow vs Mahomes
I think we know the pattern and the result from never ending wannabe comparison...
It's always Mahomes + the flavor of the year!!! They don't even claim Josh no more after all the hype last Szn 😂😂😂
Could be Watson Mahones and even Lawrence Mahomes, maybe Tua Mahomes or even Rodgers Mahomes, AFC is stackeded
1-3
@@kcorbilicious 3-0 💍💍💍
So I hope u did your research bc the chiefs shouldn’t have even beaten the bengals considering they got away with a blantant holding call on that very last play
Burrow needs an MVP and a Super Bowl Trophy before we can have this conversation. The Chiefs hadn't won a Super Bowl in 50 before Mahomes.
They didn't put Boomers whole statement in that. It ended with "until you defeat the Chiefs and win a super bowl, you can't claim that title".
Love this crew for real
Respect ✊🏻
they work well together actually, Acho seems more relaxed when Joy is not around haha
@@TheInterestedObserver I think they should put Joy in with the 3 black guys... that seems like it would be a good combo.
@@deshaebeasley i thin you get a different Acho when joy is there, he's less playful. Also i think Slick Rick gives a good balance as a actual Journalist from all the 'I'm an athelete therefore I m correct' that you get from players that think you can only have an opinon if you played
As a KC fan I’ve heard this same argument every single year
It was
Mahomes-Jackson
Mahomes-Allen
Mahomes-Herbert
Mahomes-Burrow.
How about you guys appreciate greatness in front of you.
Burrow is going to have a better o line this year and a full off season and training camp with not having to worry about recovering from his knee or the appendix I would definitely think the bengals have better odds at winning the Super Bowl this year then the past 2 seasons
Bengals won’t get pass ravens. Ravens first in division both years till LJ got hurt. And had a fluke win against Tyler Huntley in the playoffs
Burrow is a hurt little girl
Beating him a few more times in a regular season doesn’t validate that these dudes are losing their minds it’s not close
Mahomes is in a league of his own. The rest are just his closest competitors. Burrow happens to be the closest competitor-maybe. The difference between them is that they swapped roles between NCAA and NFL. Mahomes was a very good college player who became and elite NFL player. Burrow was an elite college player-at least during his senior year-to a very good NFL player.
There’s no way you said this. What does burrow need to be elite?
@@SlsNetworka super bowl
@@SlsNetwork Either win championships or put up big stats. While his stats are very good, I wouldn’t put them in the big category. The last two years, he made costly mistakes during key moments against the Rams and Chiefs. He can change that, of course; we could go back and look at those two games as his coming up short twice in an otherwise stellar career, but he has to prove that. That or he has to dominate in yardage, touchdowns, etc.
@@RPKraul ok points taken. Who else besides mahomes would you consider elite
@@SlsNetwork currently? Rodgers has to be there. His stats are impressive, and he has a SB, albeit a long time ago. Stafford is probably borderline, as he played a lot of years for a bad team. He’s definitely got an elite arm. If Lamar gets a deep playoff run, especially a SB, he’s there. Then again, that’s true of other guys like Burrow, Herbert, Allen, and Lawrence. If Hurts can repeat what he did last year, he’s there. So I see two elite guys, one of them at the end of his career, one borderline, and several candidates.
You can't compare the two. Joe Burrow has a way better defense and WR core as a whole. If Pat has a top 10 defense it's really a wrap for everyone, which it already is a wrap.
Apparently, right now Burrows biggest hurdle is being able to run without hurting himself. Sure Burrow can sit in the pocket and throw the ball exactly to who the coach says, but he'll never be a play maker like Mahomes. He was trained to adapt or run or make plays, he was trained to be Tom Brady, just stand right there and throw. He'll never have the talent Mahomes has.
If your switched Burrow and Mahomes’ resume no one would even entertain the thought that Mahomes was better! Funny how that works!
Shady can be pretty annoying sometimes like seriously. How can you not separate your feelings in a debate you clearly lost
The only people that think he lost this debate is bengals fans lol
He won tho 😅
@@davidgardner4809 he literally did lose 😂 he’s not even being logical and isn’t listening to what there saying. They said it like 20 times that Mahomes is the best QB right now but Burrow can surpass him and shady is still talking about rings and MVPs like they LITERALLY didn’t just say that “Mahomes is the best right now but Burrow can surpass him”
@@davidgardner4809 definitely not a Bengals fan, but if you think that there's zero possibility of him being able to catch up then you are just a delusional hardhead. It's not about how you start. It's about how you finish
@@Mik3yLow he won at showing how dumb and emotional he is......literally a crybaby when things aren't talked about the way he wants it
“Speak” is on fire.! Winner, winner…Keep up the great work! 👊🏾
Swap burrow and Mahomes career and achievements the media wouldn’t give this conversation 3 minutes of airtime
1 percent chance, and the 1 percent is if Pat never plays football again… (God Forbid)
Stop it!!😂😂
The Bengals opening up their bank account to sign FAs in the off season, beginning in the summer of 2020, the year that Burrow was drafted, also was an important factor in helping the Bengals transform into a winning team.
Everything about Burrow is IF he does that and this... Patrick has done it since He took over the QB spot.. Period
I loved Acho during this segment. He was making me laugh so hard.
unlike Shady ... he was just straight up annoying and cringy
If burrow and mahomes switched then burrow would have 4 rings by now.
Give mahomes burrow’s weapons rn and I guarantee you he would go to the Super Bowl every year
@@daquaylenavie3740 not in the afc north. The west is trash .. 6 easy dubs a year.
Mahomes is winning that division and if I gave burrow mahomes weapons from this previous year do you think burrow would’ve won ? Also the only reason the chiefs are guaranteed those “6 easy wins” is because mahomes is just that good
Lol you give Mahomes chase, Higgins, Boyd and that Cincinnati defense Mahomes would set more records than he already has.
@@daquaylenavie3740 dude Alex smith ran that division for a couple years dont even with that nonsenses
The background dialogue and whispered comments made this segment hilarious.
if Mahomes had Burrows receiving core he would be 4-0 in super bowls.
Burrow needs to worry about winning the division and making the playoffs, not "dethroning" Mahomes
Something he has done the past 2 yrs.
@johnohmer8131 only reason he did that is because mvp lamar got hurt. If lamar didn't get hurt Ravens win the division.
@@RavensFan LAMEar is 1-3 in the playoffs with abysmal statistics. Those are the actual facts.
@@RavensFanbro…ravens can go ahead and win the division. Bengals can certainly finish second, make the playoffs and win games. Lamar and the ravens choke in the playoffs.
@@RavensFan not our fault lamar 1-3 Jackson couldn't play maybe he should be tough like burrow
Yes, he could, absolutely!! Burrows is a beast!!!
Never will it happen tho
Burrow doesn't have Andy Reid
You can see the guys in the back get in shady’s ear and tell him to stop, and he gets SOOO mad🤣🤣
Mahomes has never played with a bad team. Tyreek hill then he still has a stud among studs tight end and a monster defensive player and a great coach.
So has Joe borrow he has weapons that Patrick simply don't have 3 wr that could be number 1's on they own team has a top 10 tight end and a solid defense
Borrow played for a bad team for 10 games got injured and then they drafted Chase which gave him a top 2 WR unit along with a top 8 running game lol
For real, if u put Mahomes in the Texans or colts, will he win anything??, NO.
Alex smith had those same weapons and they never got out of the divisional round mahomes got there they have been to five straight afc championship games and 3 super bowls winning two of them . They were good before mahomes got there but mahomes made them great
@@lonbwoy007is Joe burrow? No
Burrow:
- 1st overall pick, drafted to the worst team in NFL
- Worst offensive line in the league yet takes his team to the Super Bowl the very first full season in the NFL
- 3-1 against Mahomes
- despite having “good players” on the Bengals which Shady likes to bring up, only two of them went to the Pro Bowl which was Jamarr Chase and Trey Hendrickson.
- 0 All Pro’s on the Bengals
Mahomes:
- Drafted to a winning team, gets to shadow a veteran QB which he attributes his success too. Best coach in the league
- Plays on a team with Andy Reid, Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, Tyreek Hill, Orlando Brown, Frank Clark (since Shady likes to bring up teammates)
- 7 Pro Bowlers on the Chiefs, 4 All Pro’s
- 1-3 against Burrow, and the 1 came down to a very controversial call and help of a penalty
Is Mahomes more accomplished? Yes. Has he played 52 games more than Burrow? Yes. But CAN Burrow dethrone him? Going to take a lot because Mahomes/Reid AND the Chiefs are greatness. Also because Mahomes got quite the head start in the NFL being that he is a vet compared to Burrow. But Burrow CAN do it. And it wouldn’t surprise me if when their careers are over, Burrow does.
totally agree plus IMO you gotta give Burrow credit for showing out in the AFC North against some of the league's best defenses while Mahomes' greatest rival in the AFC West is probably Denver's altitude lmao
@@Lannerii facts
you're 100% right but I think the question is this year. Like end of February is he considered better. That's not possible. He needs minimum 1 MVP and 1 SB to be allowed the thought of being better. If that happens this year then great. But anything less than that doesn't cut it.
😂 Burrow's 24-17. Dude got more losses in two seasons than Mahomes has had in over five. Five..
Y'all hang onto two meaningless regular season wins like they're a Super Bowl win 😂 chill out, your poverty is showing
There's about 6 QB's better than Burrow including one Mr. Irrelevant, Dude *literally* can't catch up to the actual greatness of Mahomes, much less pass him
McCoy is such a Bengals hater😂😂😂 I'm use to it now
This should not even be a conversation. Joe isn’t close to Patrick
This is just TV talk cause we know Mahomes isn't done so there's no way Burrow can ever overthrow Patty.
Not this year unless mahomes falls on his face this year and burrow wins a ring, mvp and fmvp. If mahomes balls and burrow reaches all the previously stated accolades he is still behind mahomes.
No one is saying Joe B is better than Patty right now. But their stats after 3 years in the league : Yds JB= 11,774 PM= 9412; TD’s JB= 82 PM= 76; Comp % JB= 68.2 PM= 65.9. JB also cam to a losing organization (2-14) and turned them around (12-4 last year), whereas Patty came to a playoff team. That doesn’t show up in stats but it does matter at some point. When JB has 6 years in league, compare him to Patty at 6 to at least try to be fair. If you look at Brady’s final numbers and compare to Patty now, not really fair to Patty. There are also some intangibles. I keep hearing, if Patty had JB’s receivers. Patty has had Kelce and Hill for the majority. Patty also has has top O line for last couple years. JB came within a play of Super Bowl last year w 3 O line starters out. Sick and tired of Chiefers so jealous that other teams are really good and have really good QB’s too. So insecure and in such a hurry to call Patty the Goat and declare a dynasty. You don’t get to do that for your team. The rest of the league gets that responsibility. Both may come, certainly trending that way. Just quit being such haters!
Your stats seems off. Which 3 years of Mahomes you're looking at? Doesn't even matter... his 1st three or last three, no way JB threw for more yards and TDs. Too lazy to check something the eye test says that it's simply not true
Im a Bengals fan. Love Joe Burrow. Burrow put us back on the map. BUT lol Mahomes right now is the best QB in the NFL. Bengals Chiefs game was better than the Superbowl. Great game. Mahomes with a high ankle sprain drove the Chiefs down to win the game on a field goal. Watch the docu series Quaterback. Right now it aint close. Burrow can dethrone Mahomes but he has to win Superbowls and MVPs
Thats a high mountain to climb and I'm here for it. Lets Go!!!
Well let's see Mahomes is more accomplished, more talented, he's won more, and has better stats...so no Burrow can't dethrone him, there ya go.
Gotta remember this is burrows first real offseason… after rookie year was Covid, after rookie year he was recovering from major knee injury and took bengals to the Super Bowl, after that, his appendix burst during training camp and he took them to the championship game, and we finally get to see him with a full off season of developing rather than recovering
Excuses excuses
@@VicThrasher. Those are indisputable facts. Improve your vocabulary.
@@brianpoe1683 excuses excuses . Wipe your mouth
It is an excuse. Borrow had a much better offensive weapons and still lost to an injured mahomes and chiefs team while borrow and his team was fully healthy. But hey those just indisputable facts😂
@@gregyost9676 How stupid are you? 3 starting offensive linemen were out, we didnt have our CB1, Boyd got hurt.... how do you NOT know this? You are an embarrassment to your entire fanbase. I suggest you delete your ignorant comment before others see your obvious stupidity.
bruh they’re talking about the Bengals like they’ve been world beaters since Joe got there. i think it’s more likely that they’re 2nd in the division than going to the superbowl
Great segment
If the amount of SB’s & MVP’s isn’t the goalposts then Mahomes doesn’t need 7 SB’s to dethrone Brady
Lmao, shady TV personality has been developing and he IS A SAVAGE 😂😂😂
🧢
He us the dumbest ex-player on a show now.
great segment.
When Mahomes had a similar O line that Burrow's had to work behind (his entire career) he pooped himself in the SB. 2 picks, no TDs, 26/49 completion, 270 yards and took the L. Chiefs then went out and traded for, drafted high, and invested HUGE FA momey in the O line because Mahomes can't overcome it.... This idea Mahomes is some untouchable phenomenon is laughable... He also collapsed against Burrow head to head in an AFCCG in embarrassing fashion while Burrow stared him down IN PAT'S OWN BUILDING.
At this point..mahommes has cemented himself already as a top 5 quarterback of all time...they already listed his accolades...burrow is showing he is top 5 qb right now in the league...but in my opinion burrow and josh allen are more in the same class than him and Mahomes
LMAOOOOO TOP FIVE HHAHAHA
Ummm Brady, Montana, Paton Manning, Steve Young, Drew Brees and Dan Marino just to name a few would like to have a word about top 5 all time.
@@airgasmYT He's top 3. Brady, Montana, Mahomes. He has better stats than any other QB in history through the first 5 years. There's never been a QB in the league with his talent and ability. I feel really bad for haters who can't appreciate that they're seeing true greatness.
@@kurtisgibbs6698 HAHAHAHHAHAA I THOUGHT THE FIRST GUY WAS FUNNY
@@dravenmlm4185 I'll give you the 1st three..but mahommes already has as many titles and mvps as Steve young...more than Marino being he has none...and more than brees...so how can they be head of him???and we forget he is only what 27 28...I don't think he will catch Brady in super bowls..butnif he plays long enough it's a possibility..and he definitely going to shatter drew Brees passing yes and Brady touchdowns barring injury
Bro I don’t think McCoy understands this conversation 😂😂
Not to undermine Mahomes but gd, do people forget who KC's head coach is? or that they have possibly the greatest TE to ever play the game. Mahomes is an incredible QB but I can't help wonder how he'd look on another team that didn't have Reid or Kelce. Because you don't hear those 2 names near as much. It's always Mahomes, Mahomes, Mahomes.
Mahomes came into the league with a winning organization.
Burrow came into Cincinnati, which up until that point was never a team that the NFL at large looked to be a good team. Top to bottom, the Bengals have been looked at for decades as a 'okay to bad' team.
Joe Burrow changed that. And it's not the people around him, the front staff giving him weapons, he did this purely on his swag, his grit and determination.
Name me another QB who could suffer that same injury, only to come back NEXT YEAR and be two plays away from a superbowl.
Don't worry, I'll wait.
joe burrow has no accolades lol
Winning organization?? no we wasn’t. We was going to the playoffs once every 2-3 years and losing. Travis and Tyreek wasnt this hood before mahomes walks in the door.
Wtf did they win?
Burrow is 24-17. Cinci still an okay team lol
People seem to forget that joe got hurt in his rookie year and was 2-7-1 before the injury. When he came back bengals added trey Hendrickson, Mike Hilton, chidobe awuzie, Jamar Chase, Joseph Ossai, McPherson, etc. this notion that burrow single handedly turned the bengals into winners has to stop.
Joe burrow is not even on pat mahomes league lmao if it was the other way around this wouldn’t even be a conversation like shady said you can say that about anybody lmao man ain’t won nothing yet
Here’s the cold hard truth….you ready?
The CIN defense & kicking game has been carrying the bengals when it matters most
Facts from 7 playoff games in the Mahomes Era….
1) 4th Quarter TDs
Cincy D - 1
Burrow - 0
2) Passer Rtg allowed vs Passer Rtg
Cincy D - 83.2 Passer Rating
Burrow - 94.6 Passer Rating
3) Second half points
McPherson - 30pts
Burrow - 28pts
4) ‘22 regular season vs ‘22 playoff
Off. PPG went from 27 -> 25
Def. PPG (allowed) 22 -> 21
5) ‘23 regular season vs ‘23 playoff
Off. PPG went from 26 -> 24
Def. PPG (allowed) 20 -> 17
I know it’s a hard pill to swallow. McPherson is on an Adam Venetari like run - he’s 19 for 19 FGA with multiple game winners. Meanwhile Burrows defense has caused 13 TOs in 7 playoff games. Almost 2 per game. The patriots defense first 7 playoff games with Brady forced 16 TOs (just 3 less). And those patriots defenses had multiple hall of famers. Just like Brady, Burrow is mostly getting playoff carried by defense and kicking game in early playoff success.
I also believe like Brady, when Burrow hits 30 he’s really gonna pop off on the league 💯
The issue with these debates is that they’re happening while they’re actively playing.. these conversations are for 8-10 more years down the line
Not only can Joe Burrow catch up to patrick mahomes success so can Jusitn Herbert! As talented as Patrick Mahomes is he may have peaked to soon!
Just stop lol
Peaked too soon ay? So he shouldve lost more and threw for less yards? Is there any doubt he will be in the HOF? That is how a HOF career is put together. KC as a franchise are better than most which is why literally only injury is going to prevent Mahomes from challenging Brady. This early. 5 years in. Peaked too early! 😂😂😂
Burrow has always operated with elite weaponry, and that's why he isn't 2 behind Mahomes. Let's see him operate with what Lamar has had for 4 years. Let's see him be unanimous MVP with nothing but a TE. Let's see him lead the league in TD passes with nothing but a TE. Let's see him win 70%+ of his games without a TE. Burrow is good, but has always had the best weapons.
Burrow went at least half of last season at certain points without Chase, Higgins, or Boyd (mostly at different times). He consistently elevates those around him. Have you heard of Trent Irwin? That is who Burrow had to throw to at certain points of the season.
I’m with Shady… we have to stop disrespecting Mahomes bringing these other guys up man there’s some clear separation.
You guys don’t realize what this man doing. Bro has NEVER played a playoff game not at home. has NEVER ended a season of his career before the afc championship.
Refs won that first bengals game. And they are 1 and 1 in the playoffs and that is what really matters
1:40 "...he already has." ONE AFC title is *not* an argument that Burrow has "dethroned" Mahomes, who has *ALL* the treasures and only been playing for five years. Burrow got one AFC game one Mahomes... *ONE* Call me when the numbers are closer.
Since taking the starting position as QB Mahomes has 5 straight AFC Championship games 5 Straight AFC Division titles 3 Super Bowl appearances won 2 of them 2 Super Bowl MVP's 2 Regular season MVP's not to mention the NFL and Team Records that have been broken on the hunt for Brady Status... Ok the ladder would say oh Burrow is 3-1 against him with a Super Bowl appearance. The argument stops there.
At the end of the day it's going to be mahomes and Brady as the all-timers, just like the Jordan-lebron debate
Burrow has had a top-10 defense last two years and last year it was a top-5 defense while the Chiefs have had a bottom-20 defense.
7:31 "...They have some good players, but I guess that don't matter..." The reason they wanted to go to the Bengals is *because* of Burrow. But I'm still looking at end result. It's great that Burrow took Cincy out of the cellar and into contention, even took them to a Super Bowl. But Mahomes *won* the Super Bowl that he went to in his second year...just to point it out.
It isn't just Mahomes or Burrow. It is the team and coaches and management. The question is can he. Yes he can. Will he? He has a lot of work to do but he can.
Mahomes is amazing. Burrow is amazing. We will see if he has a healthy line what happens