Parallelism in Zelda - Tears of the Kingdom and Skyward Sword
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- Another nerd video. Can anyone tell me which two tracks I edited together at the end of this video?
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Awesome video man. You've made the parallels between both these amazing games so abundantly clear, even more so that I realized myself. With skyward sword, Aonuma and Fuji were both regretful their true vision of skyward sword couldn't be brought to fruition due to hardware limitations.
I hope they feel this game allowed them to truly actualize that.
To answer your description, the two tracks used were respectively:
- (Totk) The ending theme after "The Last Catch" and prior to the game's credits
- (SS) The credits
That about right?
Thanks so much for the support dude. And yes, your answer is correct! The first time I heard that track during my playthrough of TOTK, I immediately realized it could perfectly segway into SS’s staff roll. I have perfect(ish) pitch, so it came together in my head really easily.
Since you’re the first to answer and I can’t give you a cookie, take this pin for now.
@@shioftheham Much appreciated for the pin!
Glad to see a fellow SS enjoyer. We are a rare breed.
I'm beyond excited for potential DLC, the next installment, or even a Hyrule Warriors spin off to this game. No doubt Nintendo is excited about striking gold here.
Hope you are too!
@@CrazyHand196 While the original version of Skyward Sword was ruined for me by the awful controls...that was really the only issue I had with it. The dungeons, story, and music, were the best in the series up to that point. When Skyward Sword HD came out and it became possible to play it with standard controls, it became my favorite Zelda (the original version held back severely by its controls as I said).
Now, today, SS is my second favorite Zelda, as TOTK has surpassed it. But yeah it's definitely a high point in the series. There are a lot of musical references to Skyward Sword as well. Fi's theme is used a few times (albeit not in the full glory of the Skyward Sword version). One of the silent realm themes is used when you're exploring the underground Zora ruins.
@@shiofthehamDUDE UR SO UNDERRATED U DESERVE WAY MORE SUBS THAN U HAVE
@@StormsparkPegasus Sounds like we share sentiments with both games! I actually didn't mind the controls in the original version, but SS still stuck with me as one of the 1st Zelda games I played / finished.
I do feel Totk has proven to be a worthy successor and a lot of it is due to a mixture of the gameplay as well as the evolution of the character that is Zelda. Always overjoyed to see references to FI and overall themes.
Hope we can continue on this path. Totk alone has already sold than the majority of the series combined (excluding Botw of course).
Link is a fantastic role model
Silent but deadly
Link is a fantastic role model to link
yeah if we ignore all the korok torture, taking of zelda's light crystals when she was a dragon and use them as food and or weapons and the disrespect of master koga. sure he's a good remodel
@LightRaven96 individual player choice isn't cannon
@thatonezeldaguy250 tell that to the hundreds of players doing it.
Absolutely agree that Link’s love for Zelda, be it platonic or romantic, is so deep and true that it becomes a channel for Rauru and Sonia’s power, enabling those three to bring Zelda back to her human form. A beautiful parallel to Zelda’s love for Link awakening her dormant power in BOTW.
Wonderful video! I have always loved Skyward Sword and so the callbacks brought me a lot of joy and nostalgia. But the more parallels I see/am shown, the more amazed I am! The harmony between SS and TOTK is so very beautiful.
Bro don’t think I didn’t notice that gorgeous musical transition between the TOTK ending theme and Skyward Sword staff roll theme at 12:27, that was transcendental
Nice catch! I realized those tracks would fit together during my first playthrough of TOTK, and honestly it made this whole video worth making.
Well said my man, I loved skyward sword's relationship between Link and Zelda, when she was taken it felt so personal and had a better drive than previous Zelda games. It was so great to relive that kind of relationship dynamic in TOTK. I was on Cloud 9 with the story and it's conclusion. Amazing parallels, great summaries of both games, great analysis
Glad that someone feels the same way as me. I’m sure many of us will miss these latest iterations of Link and Zelda…they were special.
@@shioftheham these iterations are not going ne where for a very long time
The devs know what they are doing
With all the lore they can use from the last 40 years of this franchise🤔
They havent even stepped on the Dark Link story line
When they introduce the sacred realm
U guys know u are in for a treat💯
I agree skyward sword is my favourite game ever.
Breath was soulless, empty and Brutal yet Tears despite on the face on the face of it being so savage with all the gloom buffed enemies had the most wholesome connection between Link & Zelda.
I think SS was picked for a remaster specifically to help you understand TotK link. He has growth too, but shying from forcing that on you with dialogue like previous games, and knowing this established stoic link was unable to express himself visually like WW, they had to use the game experience itself to tell a story through the context of the game's actions.
Now if you are not a terribly observant person, or if you are used to media that holds your hand, it might be hard to see what is happening and you'll eventually start making ridiculous youtube videos about how abysmal the story in TotK is...Sadly, Nintendo's fix for that was to release a game these people hated more than anything before botw to give you a reference for link to play off of...that said, I'm glad they did because It worked wonderfully for those of us that werent desperate to hate the game for not being our headcanon.
I don't think it's a retelling, but what is clear is that it rhymes perfectly with Skyward Sword. I am 1000% convinced TOTK follows SS in the same timeline. There are just too many parallels. 1 huge thing that links them for me is the entire Lanayru Mining place. Everything there is from an ancient time, with magic time stones, and those robots are 100% Zonai constructs. The games were 100% made to rhyme and show love to each other. Interestingly, TOTK also rhymes perfectly with OoT. Commenwealth, I think, made a great video about it. Also, the Spring of Power in BOTW/TOTK just fuckin IS the Skyview Spring, it just IS. Absolutely everything about it is there, from the dragon braziers to the same pattern of cracked ceiling, to the waterfalls. No one can convince me otherwise.
Edit: fuuuuuuckin wow! I never noticed Fi's theme in TOTK. Fi's theme is EASILY one of my all-time favorite tracks from the entire LoZ franchise. Shit is just beautiful.
Yep, Fi’s theme is actually present in both BOTW/TOTK. And after reading your comment I realized I completely forgot about some other similarities between SS and TOTK. The constructs, the dragons, and something I forgot to mention in my video was that The Imprisoned and Calamity Ganon somewhat mirror each other.
Just so you know though I’m fairly certain all timelines are connected to ss since it’s the first game in the Zelda timeline from the beginning where as far as I know the hero of time is the one who splits Zelda into its three timelines
@djamegs1017 yeah that part of my comment was basically saying it follows the timeline, not retells it, as dude suggested could possibly be the case. But ya, SS starts the timeline which then splits in OoT.
It fits well with ALttP with the entire Imprisoning War, it fits with Minish Cap because of the Zonai, it fits with BotW for a bunch of reasons, etc.
Well to be fair can't hylia/Zelda make as many time splits as wants as long as it doesn't undo any sealings on Gannon? I meant oot made 3 timeline splits because one was a cannon what if situation which was Gannon kills hero. Then you gotta figure anybody with the spirit of the hero is new hero so.... I get feeling Zelda is hylia incarnated not reincarnated. Hero is more like possessed and Gannon and all that use rule of demons and yet it seems all Zelda are a lineage, her bloodline but on moms side, or skip a few generation. Twilight princess had hero grow up and maybe have future generation new hero was born from
You could even say that Calamity Gannon is a parallel to the Imprisoned, since they both consistently escape, but aren't quite the real thing.
Ngl I've been saying hylia sacrifice her immortality to ensure a future for hyrule
And zelda sacrificed her mortality to ensure a future of hyrule.
Pretty poetic tbh
Umm TOTK takes place way after SS and OOT
@probenfetchak8076 okay? I'm just saying they're paralleling one another cause of symbolism. Zelda became immortal, while hylia gave up immortality. One choose to give us godhood while another gave up individuality for godhood.
As for timeline placement, yeah rauru totally discover new hyrule 4.0
Most of Links and Zelda relationship comes down to work or responsibility. Even Botw starts like that but it slowly turns into something different either platonic or romantic doesn't matter because Link is determined to see her smile with his very own eyes in Botw and bring her back completely in TOTK. Link is the friend who actually there for you at your worst
This all made sense when I read that the director for Skyward Sword was the director of Breath Of The Wild and Tears Of The Kingdom (apparently he also worked on Minish Cap). Bro really is a LinkxZelda shipper. LMAO
So I don't think it's a reboot of the story but a continuation in the distant future.
Also, don't forget about that cloud barrier in both games
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they do suggest that the cloud barrier exists in TOTK at the beginning of the game
@@shiofthehamback in BOTW it is implied the Cloud Barrier is a thing, when the dragon finish their travel routes, or get farmed they fly above the height ceiling and pass through a cloud vortex.
One of the parallels i've not really seen mentioned yet is the spiral sealing motif used for both Ganondorf in TotK and The Imprisoned. The green energy in TotK is very reminiscent/symbolic of the pathway down to the seal at the Sealing Grounds in SS. Both spiraling inwards and downwards with the Demon King sealed in the center, far below ground level.
Wow I didn’t even think about that. I only thought about the idea of comparing The Imprisoned to Calamity Ganon after I had finished making this video. Nice comparison!
holy shit that transition between the totk main theme and SS staff roll theme was INCREDIBLE, gave me chills listening to it
"Guys TotK is gonna be the darkest Zelda game!" Is Hylian for "Ganondorf is gonna be silly and do a minor amount of trolling!"
😭 there were some dark moments but it ain’t touching Twilight Princess, let alone Majora’s Mask
@@shioftheham Just compare the creepy shit Midna does when meeting her when she talks about the Ordon Village kids to Ganondorf's winning smile in TotK. He's more devious than evil. Not complaining though since it's great screenshot material.
Rauru's hand at the start of zelda totk oddly reminded me of the ghost hand in the toilet in skyword Sword...
Canon, rauru is decedent of toilet ghost
In both games, Link is chasing Zelda in an effort to reunite with her, to protect her, as her appointed person. In both games, the nature of why she’s always just out of reach is obscured until further lore/story progression reveals truths. In my first playthrough of SS, I fully thought past!Impa was a bad guy abducting Zelda away from Link at every step, rather than the same kindly old person by The Imprisoned. The themes of cycles, the Ouroboros, are in both - once SS Link reaches the surface, it isn’t long before he meets old!Impa, and then sees past!Impa, and it has to be put together through the narrative to see them as the same entity in different points in time. Same thing with TOTK - as soon as the sword travels back in time, Light Dragon!Zelda breaks the cloud barrier in the cutscene, but without prior knowledge, it isn’t until you get into the memories and retrieve the sword that you can fully connect that the LD!Zelda is the same Zelda from BOTW and the start of the game, just at a different point in time.
12:33 Can't help but appreciate how clean that transition was from TOTK's Ending theme to the SS credits...
I find interesting the similarities of BOTW with TP, being the last game of their respective consoles, a cross-gen game and at the same time a very long anticipated title.
And then the next game SS and TOTK is exclusive for the next-gen console and it has some relation with the sky.
man. the zelda series is beautiful, and videos like this makes my love for it grow. Amazing video man
The most important detail of all, they're the only Links who are RIGHT-HANDED
There have only been two games that reduced me to tears, and it is SS and TOTK. No other managed to make me cry. Smile, sure, I've smiled after completing almost every game. But it is just these two that cements their relationship so much that you feel fulfilled. You did it for her.
If it were not for absurd game controls I would not have prematurely gave up on Skyward Sword 10+ years ago.
oh my god?? this is such a good video!!! keep up the great work!
Seriously appreciate it, these comments keep me going
this was very well made, great video!
Thanks!
Great video bro! You caught on things I would totally miss. This makes me want to revisit old zelda games! The music transition in the end was epic! Hope you grow big on YT! 398th sub here!
That ending music you added, I love that song but the way you edited it just gave chills I love it! Just a while ago there was this discussion in a fb group but most people didn't see the similarities/parallelisms even if the person who talked about it in the first place was mentioning a few things you did here. I agreed with him but now with this video, I know we aren't crazy xD Its so obvious the parallelism, and I find it beautiful as well. Thanks for putting it into words!
Edit: gotta add I didn't know about Fi's theme appearing in TOTK. Its not the first time they do this hidden stuff in music but DAMN they got me again! The musicians, istg they're true geniuses. I think the only person who didn't believe Zelda would be stuck like that was Impa... I was so happy to know she cared a lot. When Link filled in only characters who actually know Zelda, most didn't assumed more and were just accepting she was not coming back, but IMPA MY FAVE GRANNY she went into studying.... I was a little sad bc there was no more sidequesting with her about it. I really hoped more but in the end it was still rewarding to save Zelda.
Yep, the parallelisms are more than apparent! Also I respect anyone who appreciates the beauty of video game OST’s; as a musician myself I could praise the composers of these games for hours. Also fun fact about me: Skyward Sword has my personal favorite soundtrack out of all the Zelda games :)
@@shioftheham Not a fellow musician but I absolutely love intensely music in general. I tend to analyze every small or big instrument and correlations in OST's, a little above general view bc I tend to appreciate its beauty as well, maybe not professionaly but I agree!! SS has one of the best soundtracks, at least for me top 3 too, I love it along with BOTW and perhaps WW, just no order yet. You have really good tastes :D
I heard from other Zelda videos that this also could be a retelling of Ocarina of Time and it's a soft reboot of the Zelda franchise.
Also note. Gaepora in SS is similar in naming to Kapeora Gaepora, the guardian owl spirit in OoT who revealed himself to be the sage of light, Rauru. So there id a parallel in that in SS, Zelda's father is Gaepora who looks kinda like and owl and kinda like the sage rauru, and then there is rauru of totk who well he looks like a goat but anyway his name is rauru and he is the first king of hyrule, which Kapeora Gaepora sort of suggested he was in OoT when he revealed himself to be the sage of light. So idk
my favorite thing about both games is the way they use music to invoke nostalgia (both for the players sake and for links, especially). during one of the memories (when we see totk zelda receive the master sword and is speaking to it -- and fi -- directly), we can hear fi's theme twain itself in the music. memory can be a powerful thing, and the way both games preserve it through musicality gives players an emotional reaction outright, especially those like myself who have played and loved these games for years. you can also see this in how we hear zelda's theme throughout both games, especially when we hear it distort when she turns into the light dragon and even at the end of the game.
needless to say, i adore both games and you articulated my feelings about it very well! you did an amazing job!💓🙇🏻♀
Love the vid, subscribed, keep it up, bud.
awesome video !!! perfectly clarifies the parallels between skyward sword and tears of the kingdom. i hold sksw and botw very dearly, which def made seeing these things in the new game just feel so cool ^_^ thanks so much for your work !
Excelent video! Ngl teared up a bit
Seeing skyward sword link and totk link right next to each other made me realize how much totk link looks like an anime boy
amazing video bro. Skyward Sword is my all time favorite game in the franchise. and seeing it's similarities and callbacks while playing through Tears of the Kingdom was breathtaking to say the least.
I just wanna say this video was rlly well done
Thank you!
Dude... 💙💛💚 you just said exactly what I've felt through many analysis videos. Thank you. I don't cry at video games; but I cried (and still do) so many freaking times over this story. It's more than just a game at this point.
You real for saying this.
This is hype ty for doing interesting original speculation
Thanks for the support!
There is just something about skyward sword. From its first release up to present day that makes it my favorite zelda. Story, colors, everything I personally think makes it perfect. I have played that game off and on through out the years since its release and have enjoyed every play through
I always adored Skyward Sword. Even on the Wii.
This is the greatest video I've ever seen.
Bro did it again. Well done
Appreciate the support 🫡
Great video
BOTW and TOTK
Are not just throw backs to previous titles
The creators of this franchise have already openly espoused that they are no longer focused or concerned about previous Zelda titles
Therefore:
BOTW and TOTK are a complete revisioning
With BOTW as, for lack of a better word, Prequel
And TOTK being a composite re-telling of three previous Zelda titles telling the Hero Of Time legend
Ocarina of Time
Skyward Sword
Twilight Princess
The Third installment will impress this generation of Zelda players
That i can guarantee💯
Repetition is the father of learning.
Skyward Sword was my first traditional Zelda game, and I absolutely adore it. Just like all Zelda games, the player plays as Link, meaning YOU are Link. So I can say I myself went on the quest to save Zelda and I myself tempered the goddess sword into the Master Sword, and to watch Ganondorf shatter MY BLADE lit a raging fire in me that fueled me to take him out. I was determined to cut that man down with the very blade he shattered. I did not fight him just for Zelda, I did not fight him because he killed Sonia, I did not fight him because he plunged Hyrule back into darkness, *I fought and killed him out of a retribution fueled by an ever-constantly growing righteous fury for what he did to my first companion, Fi.*
I truly believe that whichever Zelda game you first played where you had a companion, you develop a bond with that companion that no other Zelda companion could replicate nor replace. People were upset with how much Fi talked, I was just glad to have someone TO TALK TO, to remind me that I was not alone in the fight. I’ll admit it with no shame that I bawled like a baby at Fi’s Farewell, and it still brings me to tears every time I replay the game. To hear Fi say she has never known what human emotion is, but at the end is where she first feels a feeling she believes is happiness, and she says “Thank you, Master” and goes to sleep, that left a scar that will never heal. Sure, you can pick up the Master Sword in some of the other games, but you will never have as special connection to the sword as you did in Skyward Sword.
In both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, I ignored the main quest of the four regions until I got the Master Sword back, until I got Fi back. I wanted to fight and destroy Ganon and his minions with Fi at my side, just like in Skyward Sword, to go on the main quests and side quests with her at my side. I wanted to replicate the relationship I had with her in Skyward Sword and have that same thrill ride and experience with her in Tears of the Kingdom. One of the most beautiful things about Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom is the Master Sword chimes and powers up when you’re in significantly threatening situations. I see it as a reminder of her still being there, her reminding me I’m not alone, providing me with backup and the strength to finish the fight.
So hearing Fi’s familiar chime when Link draws the Master Sword in the presence of Ganondorf before the fight, it felt just like old times. One last adventure, one last fight, and to hear that special chime again right before Link plunges the Master Sword into the crystal on Ganon’s head and shatters the crystal gave me goosebumps that I will never forget. Thank you, Fi, for one last thrill ride.
Sorry for the rant, I really just wanted to share my thoughts and feelings.
Ok fuck…I’m crying. That was beautiful
Love this
Appreciate it!
Always fun to see what other people caught that I missed. Also, what’s the song that starts at 7:00?
Bamboo Island from Skyward Sword
What’s name of the music track used from 6:59 to 9:41?
I want to talk about how the demon of hatred from sekiro is based off of demise, also genichiros lighting strike battle was inspired by the demise fight
He Was Sealed By Raaru But Awoke When Zelda And Links Presence Drew Near
I have still one question, which came before?
The founding of Hyrule with Rauru and Sonia or the sealing of demise?
Another funny connection is that both SS and BotW/TotK Zeldas are played by the same JP voice actor, Yu Shimamura.
Random thought if this is a different timeline then the 3 we know of them would tears of the kingdom be this timeline's version of the events of ocarina of time.
what if the zonai we see in totk memories is before skyward sword and hylia was their daughter and monsters cracked out of the ground from the depths when the zonai just went extinct but not fully because hylians have occasionally pointy ears and the geat sky island is skyloft raised by hylia and the sages
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Tears of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wikd still feature the Zora Inscryptions (with in Totk being remade by Sidon since they were withered)
Both Inscryptions tell the story about the Zora Princess Ruto who helped the Princess and the Hero of that era to defeat a Wicked man (Ganondorf with other words - and no, just Because there is another Ganondorf in totk, this also doesnt mean it retcons the Timeline, he was once reborn between Twilight Princess ans Four Swords Adventures, so why shouldnt he di it another time?)
This would mean that TotK doesnt retcon anything if you think more clearly about it
I think you commented on the wrong video bud
Im not sure they could do it but i want a goddesses and demons game or dlc at this point lol
what’s the whistle-y song at like 7:00?
Bamboo Island from Skyward Sword!
I'd argue, like what you hinted at, that TotK is the timeline going full circle. Which is why the logo has what looks to be a dragon version of an ouroboros behind it. It's been a millenia since the curse was cast by the original Demon King; Demise. BotW happened because the seal degraded enough for a part of the hatred and evil to form. When that too failed I'd say the balance of the universe itself needed Ganondorf to be unsealed so the cycle can be renewed.
I'm still not sure where the Hylia statues come into play as that suggests either she was reborn into immortality again or the three Golden Goddesses are pretending to be just the one. For whatever reason.
So, the first Zelda game i beat was BOTW. I absolutely loved it. I am probably half way through TOTK and I have found myself getting bored. So, I started a play through of skyward sword and already i have noticed similarities, between that game and TOTK. The biggest thing for me is that Link and Zelda have so much more chemistry in that game vs BOTW & TOTK. Which makes me kind of sad. These two are always shipped together but we see very little of their affection towards each other. Their relationship feels cold and sterile, almost like an abusive unhealthy relationship. Skyward Sword shows a much healthier dynamic between the two, and I wish we could have more of that.
That's so true bc I got MAJOR skyward sword vibes while playing totk.
Made me want to revisit skyward sword, probably going to start playing it very soon!
I would love to revisit skyward sword as well
I am replaying SS after finishing TOTK :D
6:59 Sorry, what's the music called in this part of the video?
Bamboo Island from Skyward Sword
@@shioftheham thanks, great video by the way
@@CarlosAlola thanks!
At 10:38 what's the name of the song?
Romance in the Air from Skyward Sword
what is the bkg music at 9:01
I personally feel like TotK is more of a retelling of OoT than anything. All the main story beats are there, just told differently.
If anything it’s a retelling/culmination of multiple games. There are parallels to SS, OOT, ALTTP, and others.
@@shioftheham Agreed. I did see parallels to all the games you mentioned too. It’s all part of the tapestry of “the legend” of Zelda. I think this is something some of the fans who scrutinize and obsess over the timeline don’t consider - these are all supposed to be like folktales, legends passed down through the ages. Things change and might not have happened as we had first thought.
Now look at the connections between Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess.
Got any ideas you wanna share?
@@shioftheham Well I mean if you play the 2 games back to back there are so many connections. Simple ones that come to mind. Bokoblins, Pumpkins, Pumpkin soup, double claw shots (which if you remember was a sacred gift from Hylia in Skyward Sword andTP Link finds the second 1 in the sky) Twilight princess Link awakening his spirit which gives him a tunic with chain mail. The vessels of light and the tears that both games have.
There's definitely some deep connection between the 2 games. I have yet to see anyone make a video about the connection between both games.
@@shioftheham Oh 1 more thing. I think an argument could be made that SS's story was planned during the development of TP and they used ideas in both games. The whole sky beings plot line in TP, the triforce being out in the open in the back story of TP and at the end of Skyward Sword. There's just a lot of evidence to suggest the story's were meant to connect.
What’s the sound track at 5:26
Ancient Zora Waterworks from Tears of the Kingdom
@@shioftheham ty!!!🙏☝️
If you ask me, TotK retells both SS & OoT
Yep there are definitely some parallels to OoT as well. That “show of fealty” scene was more than familiar…👀
I love Zelda games ❤
Me too man. Me too.
I hate the fact they force you to fight a king gleeok to get the cap of twilight...
but at least it's fun
there is also the amiibo option
@@HyLo-rule I don't got that kinda cash...
I been playing SKYWARD sword
Few years ago I did buy the SKYWARD sword for the Wii console
Bonus packed 2 cd music cd 25 anniversary edition and game cd is in mint condition
how did the demon king awake?
Isn't Ganandorf Demis reincarnated? Like Zelda is the goddess Hylia and Link is The Legendary Hero?
Yes Ganondorf is the reincarnation of Demise. It’s hard to tell whether that is true for TOTK Ganondorf because we’re unsure if both games are even on the same timeline. As far as I know, the only reincarnation of Hylia is SS Zelda, and all the other Zeldas carry the blood of the goddess as her descendants. Link typically carries the spirit of the hero. So we pretty much see this representation of the Triforce in almost every game (power, wisdom, courage).
They had the same director, it only makes sense
I know this is just a wall of text and some of it wont make sense but its what i think is the only plausible way that all these locations could be in a single timeline while also not contradicting the original establishment of hyrule.
I have a very far fetch theory that totk takes place in the fallen timeline. By the time of the last game in the timeline (legend of zelda 2 adventure of link) the entire kingdom had collapsed. This could mean that the kingdom had to rebuild a new kingdom (lets go with new hyrule for the name of the kingdom). This could be how rauru was stated to be the first king of hyrule despite we know from skyward sword that he wasn't.
Everything ive said now sounds reasonable right now but heres where it starts to get weird. They stated that it has been 10,000 year since the fight against calamity ganon and yet zonai were said to of exist far before even then which means the sealing of ganon could of been hundredss of thousands of year before. With this much time the laws of plausibility state that every thing that has happened in the other timelines may of happened in this one escept any place ganon is, calamity ganon takes it place.
The world of could been drowned by gods for a few thousand years and then the water could of recede revealing the land of new hyrule (hell the great sea could of been just the east side of hyrule and the land used in spirit tracks could of been the giant cliff found on the west side and they simple moved back into hyrule).
Arbiter's ground could exist for similar reasons. The sages get the idea if instead of sealing the calamity for a few thousand years they would send it to the twilight realm so he could come back but the calamity being smart manipulate the people there to take over hyrule.
Obviously some changes would have to be made such as only some of the zora had become rito and that the gerudo not being banished.
As corny as it sounds, love makes everything better.
Someone clearly hasn’t seen spirit tracks link and zeldas connection
Good point. Probably one of the coolest roles Zelda plays in the series.
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I'm going for retelling because of how much people famously hated Skyward Sword.
I love SKyward Kingdom: Sword of Tears
Totk also took from Ocarina of time.
Yep, there are definitely parallels to OoT. The most noticeable one for me was when Ganondorf kneeled before Rauru.
hey man, gotta say the music by the 8:02 mark is too loud and your voice gets drowned by it
The theory I go with is that all Zelda games are the same story but each ‘retelling’ remembers the events in different orders, emphasise different parts with different importance or only remember parts of the whole story.
Even if there's similar set pieces, that theory never actually holds true, simply because of how different the stories are across the games and how many of them are direct sequels.
I would not call it a retelling, more like they were just taking another crack at the game they wanted to make instead of sws, when they made skyward sword they had in mind basically breath of the wild, sort of kinda, and when they did breath of the wild they had the concept of game they wanted understanding this was just a new game, no direct relation to "hallway sword", people hated it , so for totk with botw being a mega success they (and here's where I have literally no clue of what I'm talking about) decided to do the vision of the game that they had back in the day without erasing what they made, sky islands like in Skyward, the mobility system skyward tried to do, tripped over with and botw fixed, the opennes of breath of the wild and the story elements that they wanted for that original game that never was fully realized but all of those thing expanded and tweaked and whatnot to make this not a "skyward sword: the director's cut" type game because a lot of people enjoyed it for the stuff they did the story wise and they respect that to not just supplant it with a rewrite that makes the game still feel like its own game rather than "this was the story we meant to tell all along but we failed"
Anyone who talks trash on SS should just play something else, it has all the things they worship oot for except...you know, better.
It was AWESOME to go back to SS after TotK, and the themes ringing between them are touching.
Un muy eyes, thanks to the HD versión, more actually, SS was the last Zelda game for me. I did enjoy albtw AND awakening HD, but 3D... Yeah, the last good one.
I've seen a theory saying botw is a retelling of the original zelda and totk was adventure of link. And someone saying totk is a retelling of ocarina of time. I'm kind of at this point I don't know what to say is right.
they are not the same
I thought tears of kingdom or breath of wild wasnt the first hyrule because people did exist when zonai did. Im aware in skyward sword all survivors of war were moved to sky. But i still got doubts new games are prequels. I just see it as characters filling role slots. Only heres issue. In skyward sword in beginning it has story of goddess and hero. And zelda was at first playing goddess when she gave link the sail cloth. However in skyward sword this is the link that impa yells at for being slow to save zelda. In future games impa tolerates or even respects him more. So its not all same people or we will say incarnations. Then theres issue of demise cursing them at end of skyward sword. Yes there were demons and girihim wanted to resurrect his master so im assuming that was demise after first war. So theres no proof demise was sealed at that time. For all we know everybody was more human and legend gave them godlike ability because lets assume demise died temporarily, ok demons die. Theres only 4 goddesses ever so the rest must be mortal or killable. And assuming demises curse at end of ss sets serries in motion then that cycle is his fault
i feel pretty sure tears and wild are both in the same time line as skyward sword, ocarina of time, and twilight princess since when link was made a champion the vow she recited mentioned all three previous heroes. their just so far into the future that even Zelda time traveling 10,000 years, she still hadn't traveled far enough to the beginning of those times.
I want to know how the stories of Botw and Totk fall into line though. Being that only a very short time span happened between the two and their stories and lore about Ganondorf is completely different from one another. In Botw Ganondorf was shown in a memory alive and well speaking to the King/Zelda's father in Hyrule Castle, asking for he and his people to be allowed into the Kingdom. Yet in Totk there is a plaque in a stairwell under the castle claiming that the castle was built for the sole purpose of sealing the demon king/Ganondorf beneath it. If he was sealed beneath the castle all this time, how was he an active King or ruler of these Gerudo people during the same period Zelda's father was the King of Hyrule while in the same castle he was supposedly sealed under?
Whoa hold on a sec, in what memory does Ganondorf make an appearance in BOTW?
How does this guy have only 500 subs, bro deserves over 100k
BOTW and TOTK are the Alpha & Omega of the LOZ series.
Personally, I like to think that the only real Hyrule is the BOTW / Tears world, and all the other games are simply stories of previous legends and heroes, things that BOTW / Tears child Link would've listened to (being a knight's son). And all the items and gear are simply like cosplay, this is the tunic of Twilight Hero, and this other tunic is the costume of the Hero of Time! And like all legends, they have grains of truth, which is why there small details hidden everywhere. There was only one Link, though, but I like the idea that Link a imagined himself in the roles of these previous heroes while he as listening to them as a child (because I always imagined myself as the hero as a kid). So, Skyward Sword Link was a completely different person from Link, but he was the hero that made the master sword (thus the legend), so Link as a boy imagine himself in that story making that sword. In other words, all the previous games were stories that were told to Link as a child, and now that those stories have been told, Link is now an adult and is now becoming a hero himself.
And I like when you said that Link didn't set out to kill the demon king and that he was looking for Zelda, because this "real life" and not a legend that Link heard as a child. Because looking for Zelda would be the real life human thing to do.
That’s a great point you make at the end
Doesn't track at all. TotK is a seriously inconsistent story written in broad strokes that make very little real world sense, so it should be among the myths jsut as a much, there's no elevation from it to be "more" real . And for the author these are just storeis they don't take very sriously to tell AS stories, just a series of highly evocative events adn tropes. If you go there, Link is just a nutcase in a straightjacket dreaming this whole thing up ESPECAILLY since he sees himself as "the hero" like anyone who isn't grounded in reality and humbleness. His WILL just commands Gods randomly like giving Sonia and Rarur the power to make the dragonification problem go away. That's a pitiful story. That's what Zelda would tell Ganondorf at the end of OoT.
My theory of OoT is that Zelda in fact sealed away Link into his Child Timeline just as much as he did Ganondorf. That's a direct parallel to elves and Frodo leaving Middle-Earth, and that's why the ending is so somber. It all ahs to do how this time travel mechanic is presented. It works like back to the Future or Looper where TIME IS A FUNCTION OF MATTER, and there ARE changes like "meanwhile, in the past" that affect present when you do time travel IN the present.
Previous timelines are not DIVERGENT from altered reality and go on forever "in a timeline", when somebody randomly splits it into two. Rather the time TRAVEL is like lifting a pendulum, and as it falls BACK towards THIS timeline, it will start converging with and affecting it. It's not like a rocket ship leaving to another planet, it's like lifting a moon that starts falling back INTO this planet. That's why prophesy even works, because it's the FUTURE already making CHANGES in the reality WE ARE NOW playing: our timeline is being erased in the favor of converging with the one THE FUTURE is attempting to correct. That's why it couldn't be in-universe fiction OR a distant past. These "different times" are THE THING that runs parallel, all the time. And when the gods leave one timeline, the rift that is left in their wake is the Triforce. The door of time that can bring INFINITE influence, form another timeline, not jsut echoes of this timeline's ancient past. Otherwise you have to assume a million little things as "just magic" and fantasy rules based on nothing, no Tolkien and Rankin-Bass The Flight of Dargons, just nintendo making this up randomly without being influenced by anything.
Im sure this a great video.. But really.. Why tf did u have to spoil Tears of The Kingdom.. like wtf bro
Sorry bro, I said spoiler warning for both games in the intro for the video 😬
A retelling means that Zelda is going through a full reboot so if true kiss the Triforce goodbye people
All i see is lack of concern about classic Zelda.
Why? This video is intentionally almost exclusively focused on the comparisons between SS and TOTK
@@shioftheham I don't mean the video, but Nintendo
too bad totk was a worse game than skyward sword. i don't think there was more than 3 moments in totk that i actually cracked a smile at something or felt happy playing it. skyward sword has a lot of that empty feeling too but at least when you get to a dungeon or get to an important point in the story, you have a very VERY good time. yeah, its only like 10% of the total game but at least it's there. in totk it's not even 1% of the game. they fucked up everything they possibly could have and i genuinely don't understand how that happened
Damn I guess I can see where you’re coming from but man I can’t agree. If you’re talking exclusively about gameplay, then I get it cuz the two games have almost opposite approaches when it comes to that. And TOTK’s dungeons may not be the best but there were still quite a few moments in the game that got me happy/excited. The first jump into the sky as the camera pans around, the beautiful shot of the golden sky while obtaining the master sword, an epicly orchestrated dragon roost island theme playing during the wind temple boss fight, seeing the characters from BOTW actually develop and interact with each other more, and the last scene where the game makes you dive down to catch zelda. There was plenty of magic in this game for me. Wouldn’t say it has a better story than SS cuz it’s not really supposed to, but the game certainly made me feel emotional during several parts of the game. I’m sorry you didn’t have the same experience.
Zelink should not be canon it’s cringe.
I did say that you could decide whether their love was platonic or romantic. Love is love regardless. May I ask why you think so?
Just because you ship them, doesn’t mean the rest of us do, dude
Never said you had to. I also mentioned that you could interpret the love as either romantic or platonic.