Pedersoli Lightning Pump Action Rifle
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- čas přidán 15. 09. 2019
- Shooting and discussing Pedersoli's reproduction of the Colt Lightning.
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hickok45 Completely understandable ...still love your videos, and enjoy watching them each time you upload a new one
A beauty
Yes sir
wut? I literally don't understand this comment. I am the only one who thinks the first sentence doesn't make sense? I don't get what you're trying to say.
I don't want to be their enemy, but they sold us out.. 😕
"Let's just see if I can hit anything with it.."
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I hear the originals are slamfire maybe that’s why they were considered faster than the levers
Yep thats exactly why. Same for Ithaca 37s being considered faster than most anything else
@@Shadow0fd3ath24 I doubt it cause it has short stroke
Roberta Yoder slam fire mitigates the slight of a second o extra time you would have without slam fire. Same reason people fan the hammers and hold the triggers of single action revolvers.
@@robertayoder2063 stroke has almost nothing to do with anything when going against an auto that cycles automatically. Also between my henry pump and lever the lever has a slightly shorter bolt throw and the center point of the lever at the trigger gaurd moves less than the pump does by 0.14"
It wouldn’t surprise me at all with the age of them
Always wanted to own property and set up targets to shoot all day.
i purchased some land and set a range up it is alot of work, I enjoy it and hope you get a chance to do the same.
David trimble thanks man that would be the rest of my life just shooting guns at steel. Nothing wrong with that. Have fun with your range.
Living in Nevada I plan to do that when I retire. Hopefully guns will still be around then.
This should be the land of oprotunity so take the oprotunity to start working for that goal dude
I feel ya man.
I would say that first shooting with Lightning gun was faster and more accurate than shooting with lever gun, I watched it severeal times ...
That’s my opinion too. The lever action moved quite a bit more between shots than the pump did.
Also it was better from the prone position
Now imagine if you could slam fire it
I compete with a Pedersoli version, and I love it. You are correct, it is finicky with ammo. I’m using cowboy loads using Lee 255 grain bullets cast in my back yard, using Trail Boss powder and Winchester large pistol primers. Seat the bullet down to the crimp groove and you’re golden. Powder coat my bullets a matte grey. Lots of great information in your videos, keep ‘em coming 👍🏻
The lightning from what I've heard is kinda fragile for competition. It was suggested that you would need three to compete, one to use, one in reserve for when that breaks, and one at the Smith being fixed
The pump don't aggravate my arthritis hand vs. the lever action. 👍
Hey, anyone knows why the army doesn't use the pump or lever action rifles for snipers; its accuracy is not decent enough, is it ❓❓
@@JohnKickboxing bolt actions are very simple and reliable
@@JohnKickboxing levers and pumps cant use spitzer ammo (pointed bullets). They also have weaker actions that cant handle the pressure of "Sniper" rounds (338 Lap Mag, .300 Win Mag). Lastly they are inherently a lot less accurate because they dont have free floating barrels.
wood grain on that pedersoli is beautiful
I own one of those in .45LC and I love it!
Will jacketed rounds work in yours?
I have the now discontinued Taurus thunderbolt c45 which is their version of the lightning. It's an awesome shooter. It holds 14+1
That’s a very pretty rifle. Love the octagon barrel rifles of days gone by.
I have owned a .45lc Ped Lightning for 7 years(I got mine for a touch over $1000 at cabellas) and after experimenting with the ammo for a while when I first got it, I have come to absolutely love it.
The loading Gate was very tight when it was new, but it loads fairly easy now. I had a bigger problem of the elevator not pushing the cartridge up properly at first, it is very picky on the ammo it likes.
I shoot HSM Cowboy Action 250 grain in mine. I don't do any competitive shooting with it, but I do shoot it semi regular at the house, and use it in Deer season as my free gun walking to and from my stand.
I've been praying for this review, thank you 👍 excellent shooting.
Mark 24.28 Whitetail walking right to left , 12 : 00 high just north of the gong
Your sir are a pretty good observer.
This rifle is awesome! It's one of my favorites!
Adding a Hi from Canada
My son and I love watching your videos, you are so smooth talking, and very huge
Please don’t stop as long as you can
I've always been interested in these rifles. When I was a kid, our banker had one, an old genuine Colt, under glass in the bank. A used Pedersoli, or Uberti was for sale at a local gunshop, 950$ i thinks, but it had a great big scratch on the forearm. Thanks for the vid Hickok, John.
Pedersoli and the other Italian gun makers are bringing us great reproductions of old firearms, they are doing a good service!
Hello Hickok45 - I live in California and have one of these Colt Lightning replicas (medium frame), made by Uberti in Italy and also chambered in .45 Colt. It’s a sweet shooter for sure! And yes, loading the rifle is a point of contention for me as well. I have an idea for making a simple loading tool out of hardwood that will help. After fabricating it and if I find that it works well, I’ll make one for you and send it along. Meanwhile, here’s one problem I had with my rifle: the magazine plug’s retaining screw at the end of the barrel worked itself loose one day when I was shooting at the range and the spring suddenly popped out and launched itself and the plug out the end and traveled about 10 yards or so beyond the firing line. After finding all the pieces and putting them back into place, I vowed from that day forward to frequently check that screw to make sure it is tight. Interestingly, the San Francisco Police Department bought 400 of these rifles when Colt was still making them, presumably because they were rapid firing. Thanks for the great video on this fine rifle! Much appreciated.
I've always like this concept
It's like a lever action but without the big "flaws"
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Ótimo vídeo Sr Hickoc, PARABÉNS.
Love it! Nice pump action rifle, I love your videos I learn a lot watching it. Thanks!!
It's the rifle U shoot on Sunday & load all week!
I like it.
@@LewisSkeeter I don't dislike it, but that loading gate is a bit of a weak point
@@jdzencelowcz No, I meant I liked your comment. :)
@@jdzencelowcz Probably most new gun actions (manual actions, I mean) have a break in period after so many hundreds of rounds later loading gates and cycling gets a lot easier I'd expect.
A pump action rifle with a octagonal barrel??? Ok, now i know what i want for Christmas. Great video as always, hickok. Keep them coming :)
i was hoping to see the peacemaker do its thing.great work love your stuff
Hello Hickock45! Mr. Holmes here . As always I like your videos compounded with your southern sense of humour. I own one of these rifles in 44-40 . I can say at first the loading gate is a little stiff but it get loosens over time. What I do is push the last round in with my pinky finger. I find 44-40 actually works better because it's a tapered case , which I find makes loading easy. I know I have to add a heavy crimp to my 44-40 when reloading for this gun. I have shot the Puma and the Uberti version and they both had jamming issues. Pedersoli In my view is the best reproduction next to USSF. You will see two frames screws on the right side that support the elevator. The originals only had one, and I suspect this was the cause behind the jamming issue . Pedersoli added and extra one to support the elevator for that reason. You can slam fire the originals because they don't have the rack release, unlike the Pedersoli which is a safety feature.
OOOOH I was hoping you would have this one. Yay! Thanks for the upload.
For a gun designed more then 135 years ago ..... still impressive and a REAL beauty of a remake. Colt & Henry were far ahead of their time in the refinements, every one I have had the pleasure to shoot seem more modern in how they handle.
I had Taurus’s version of this, the Thunderbolt. it was a great shooter and did slam fire as you pumped. That was fast shooting. I found it easy to load as well.
Pedersoli makes such beautiful and elegant weapons! 😍
Never knew there was a pump action rifle. Thanks for the education, Hickok.
Remington makes some also in 30-06 and other calibers
Love it! I have a Remington model 12c. .22 that's a blast to shoot. l always wanted one in a bigger caliber.
The Colt Lightning in .22 Long is a beautiful rifle, as is your 12c. The Colt .22 has a tapered octagonal barrel and is quite elegant.
My Remington Model 12C is easily my favourite .22, it's a terrific rifle. 94 years old, and it still outshoots most of my modern .22's.
@@kw9849 Mine is very tired looking but shoots well with the relined barrel. There wasn't much rifling left in it.
Beautiful gun. Thanks for the video, Hicock. Gotta watch out for all those criminals using beautiful antiques with just over ten round capacities.
sure do love the old west rifles so beautiful
Beautiful rifle.. Thx for the awesome review
Beautiful gun and Great review I enjoy your videos keep up the good work !
Interesting! Pump action rifles are great.....did you ever hear of a pump action .357 magnum carbine imported from Israel- probably in the late 1980s or early '90s......was called the Timberwolf as I recall.
Yes , that was the I.M.I Timberwolf .357 magnum carbine , imported by Atlantic Firearms , l believe . It was around for a number of years in the 80's or so , and than disappeared . I've never seen one except on video . I've heard they were good guns . If you could find one around today they're worth a fortune . It's to bad good ideas like pistol cartridge carbines in pump action aren't given a better chance by the gun manufacturers , and the shooting public .
You shot the pump faster.
It sure is pretty, but I think I'll stick with my lever rifles. Thanks for all your hard work Mr Hickok 45 Sir and John!!!
I appreciate seeing this Pedersoli pump! Cycling speed never was particularly important to me. Ease of loading is another matter.
I have a Uberti (Italy) Lightening imported by Stoegar in .357 with a 20 inch barrel. Beautifully blued with nicely figured walnut very similar to yours just downsized. No issues chambering different type of rounds.
I tend to keep this pump shouldered and on target versus my tendency to drop a lever action when operating. Just my poor technique with a lever action.
Holy mackeral their price has jumped since I acquired it 20 years ago.
Thanks for another great demonstration!
Good day John,
Many thanks for a great video and sharing it with us, a best regards from faraway land on Down Under.
I have been subscribed to your channel for years. This however is the first time I've seen this video about the Pedersoli Lightning Rifle. I have a Taurus thunderbolt, and I do use it in matches and for me it is a lot faster than my 1873 Winchester. It is true that they can be finicky and there's a rhythm to working the pump that when you get it down, it tends to be very reliable. The Taurus thunderbolt, is about the third of the price of the Pedersoli version, and the Taurus Thunderbolt has had a few more complaints than the higher priced clones. Some however like mine haven't had a lick of trouble and all the matches I've ever used it and has become my first choice that I use in all my matches. The Taurus version has been discontinued for several years and I believe the Pedersoli version is the only one left available to purchase.
I once wanted to get into Cowboy Action Shooting so I bought the appropriate guns. I love the old guns but I realized that I am never going to be fast enough with a levergun or a single action revolver, (most of my shooting is with a 1911 or CZ-75), but it is still great fun to watch. I did find out that I am much slower with a lever than a pump, but then, I grew up shooting a Winchester Model 67, so the pump is very natural to me. "A man's got to know his limitations".
I purchased a Uberti made model in 45LC and they are great fun to shoot. Uberti receivers are color case hardened. They are very different to obtain because Uberti and Pedersoli make very few copies compared to the Winchester 73. One could wait a whole year to get one.
I have the 26” premium version chambered in .357.
I love the gun but loading it is a pain.
It’s got beautiful bluing and wood grain, but also been a lemon. I’ve had a broken fire pin and a random broken side plate screw. However, Pedersoli has been very accommodating and provided broken parts free of charge!
Awesome rifle. I own one in 45 Colt also. My only negative is the blowback in your face you tend to get in this caliber. Being a straight wall cartridge it tends to do that. The 44-40 caliber does not.
Absolutely love it enough to overlook the issue.
Shoot it enough, you develop a rhythm with it. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
My gawd, that's a fine rifle.
Bought a Taurus version of the colt lightning about 6 years ago. All stainless steel. 45 LC. Not quite as smooth as some lever actions that I have, but a fun and unique plinker.
hickok love you man
If anyone could get a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, Hickok could.
Lol.. Funny as balls.... I didn't think anyone would get that! 👍
I get it the watts laser rifle fallout and ad victoriam
40W? awe come on someone already built one in 200W it’s on utube
“Just what you see, Pal.”
Remember, you got-2 say that like Arnold like you're from Bavaria..... LOL
Any plans to do a video on the Remington pump actions? Maybe an older model 14 or even a 760?
I'd like to see that as well
Still the best on CZcams and the Internet love ya guys keep up the great videos thank you for being a pro 2nd Amendment American
I've always liked the lightning because its beautiful and different.
Again an amazing lightning stick
love these videos
They made these in a 32 caliber back in the day too. I found some ammo for one when we were cleaning my grandparents house out.
I love it, finally you got one. I own it but it has a problem cocking the hammer
Great vid, always enjoy. The ammo includes your reloads in 45LC. What powder did you use for the reload? (I assume the bullet was 225 grain like the factory ammo. )
I’ve never shot the Colt Lightning, but I used to own a Remington 760 Gamemaster, in .30-06. It was my primary hunting rifle back in the 1960’s and early 70’s. It was better than my Winchester.30-30, when hunting deer in South Texas, that was until I got my first model 700, Remington in .308. I do like the looks of the Colt Lightning by Pedersoli, especially the octagon barrel.
Nice camera work John you could see the bullet drop and low
Is that the camera speed or large cal. Slow boat to..
Nice video 45, I remember a long time ago when I was a kid when the carnival would come to town and they would have a real shooting gallery using pump action, tube fed .22's with real .22 ammo and that was in California !
Used to have a little pump action puma is a joy to shoot and fast once you've had a little time with it!
I have one of these. Have not shot it enough to call it broken in. But it is one slick machine for something different
Love your videos !
Very good..Hichck !!!
I'm really glad you ran this gun. I love pump shotguns to hunt with. I feel like I can get back on target with it faster than an auto, but I have always wondered about the really short stroke on the Lightening. This sort of answered my question. Plus, the loading issue is a big problem. I'm not likely to be walking through the woods with one of these, but it would sure be a problem trying to reload that thing verses a lever gun. It's hard to beat John Browning.
Besides, John Wayne used a Model 92.
Love this channel but not over priced !
Oh man that is a sweet looking rifle
I love watching you shoot guns that i could never afford lol
That is some gorgeous wood!
I've got an original Lightning in 44.40...Serial number puts it built in 1892..Round barrel though
Is it slam fire capable?
@@jeramyw All my original Colt Lightnings could easely be slamfired. Hold hold the trigger back and start pumping. Btw I found them easy to load.
@@rigbymauser Awesome. I'm sure all the originals in good condition are broken in and smoothed out. If I ever get one, 38-40 would be my choice.
@@jeramyw I've never fired mine, I inherited it from my Grandad..It's in great shape, I'm sure it would work fine. I'd like to find some low power smokeless rounds I could run through it.
@@rilianriggs4620 Have you checked the chamber and rifling? Really old guns tend to be shot out. Have a gunsmith check everything out before doing anything with it. Smokeless powder "can" be used, but is usually not recommended. The pressure spike is usually too much. www.buffaloarms.com/44-40-winchester-200-grain-rnfp-black-powder-ammo-box-of-50-amobp4440 Here's what I would use. If it's truly in great shape, I'd keep it as a wall hanger and shoot it maybe once a year or so to keep it as pristine as possible. Especially since it's an heirloom.
12:00 it's so cool how you can see the rounds in the air! I wonder if by using the framerate of the camera you could determine the velocity?
Pedersoli makes pretty decent repros from what I've heard. I got a musket from them and I'm satisfied.
My 1873 lever gun (navy arms) in 44-40 does not like some jacketed HP ammo but loves my cast round nose flat point ammo.
Thank you sir for this video. Ive been straddling the fence on purchasing one of these. Looks like it moved way up the list today. And It will look good beside the Cowboys. Too bad it doesnt come in 44 mag.
Hickock 45 you mentioned the 1897 shotgun that slam fires atleast the Norinco knock off I have does and others have told me the originals did to, so the ChiComs must have copied the flaw in the sear. I have a Taurus Thunderbolt, lightning knock off in 45 LC it's a smooth running easy to load with the right ammo if not tried to slam fire it though? I purchased it new in the box , 2012 for under $600. with title tag and tax. The short stroke takes getting used to I'm a Veteran used 12 ga pumps in SE asia thats not with paper targets and it was my secondary weapon my M-60 was primary the pump and 1911 was back up. I seen this online it's a black finish
so I just had to have it I'm sure California along with the 26" barrel has 14-1 round capacity.!
Great Show BTW
John Hoffman
I'm 80 and Yes lifes Good.
Love that. Wish I could afford one. Please review the Remington 572 pump 22. Way more affordable.....
im Surprised these are not more popular
What a beauty.
man i love your range i hope one day to have a property similar to it but now the gun if it wasnt so costly i would buy one myself i like it
I like the closeups of the gong when your shooting a big heavy slow caliber. You can see the bullet dropping in to hit it. Man do some of them fall out of the air about the eighty yard line.
Since you did this one, you should do a video including the Remington pump action rifles. I have a .308, but they're out there in 30-06 (wish I had one) and .223. Mine is a 7600 P. It has a non-rusting finish on the barrel, and comes with one lousy four-round magazine. But they were also made in 223. I inherited this from my younger brother. I believe that this rifle was designed to closely resemble an 870 (the shotgun commonly issued to police officers), as that's the action they were used to.
It would be a great gun if they had a dual loading tube, that way you could release the spring pressure when loading, good video... cheers!!!
that is a nice rifle never seen that rifle at my local gun shop
Good to see this in your hands! I was one of the people suggesting this. I have two originals, one in 32-20 and one in .22 Long. They were close to Pedersoli's price, I wouldn't mind having a Pedersoli in 44-40. The .22 I have is a thing of beauty, a bit more refined looking than the Winchester 1890s, having a tapered octagonal barrel. The Winchesters are a better design though, simpler and more robust, the Colts are more complex.
They are better in the original calibers, 44-40 and 38-40, reports are that they are more problematic in .45, I don't think they were originally offered in .45.
I have an old Marlin lever in 38-40 that was my father's. It's an absolute joy to shoot. I've always wanted to get a revolver chambered in the same caliber.
@@dcrog69 I recently bought an older Uberti SAA in that caliber. The date code is under the ejector housing and I've not had it off yet bet the gun has serial numbers on the frame, trigger guard, bottom of the back strap, cylinder, and loading port, as did the original Colts. It was bought used off of GB, price wasn't bad. They are out there.
I'm sure you will be keeping your dad's Marlin!
Oooh I want the .357 Magnum version! 😀
It’s a shame this never caught on. I imagine if pump tech had as much development as lever did in the early days, we may have never had lever guns. Pumps are also easier to shoot while prone/in cover. Hell, maybe even reduced the ubiquity of bolt guns in the early 20th century.
kind of an odd looking gun. finally a gun that I don't have an urge to go out and buy after your review.
Great video H45. It seems to me if a gun is going to cost that much, it should take every kind of ammo right out of the box.
You may be sceptical but I really think you shot the Colt more effectively than the Winchester
He absolutely shot faster with the pump action than he did the lever action.
Even though he used to compete with a lever action he was still quicker with the pump.
Why he denies a difference I do not know🤔
Gorgeous!
Geez.. That gun is cool!
very nice video :) just to know for advice which caliber would you consider ( including reloading for beginners) the best choice for self defense between the 45 LC and the 44-40? not the 357 mag/38 special, these calibers here in France make the gun too difficult considering by the law to keep at home ( and very limited ammo you can buy per year) greetings from France ;)
Hickok45 and John say round here we aren’t used to short stroking
Im braziliam and i love your videos