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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex do a No-Spoilers Review of Avatar: The Way of Water, James Cameron's Return to Pandora More than 10 Years later! Is it worth the wait and hype? Find out!
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James Cameron should commission a whole nature documentary series for Pandora and hire David Attenborough for the narration.
I would honestly watch the heck out of that đ .
Thatd be waaay better
Werner Herzog
It's not a real world lol
Wow.. this is actually a really good idea
Alex: "It's a polished turd."
OJ: "It's a long turd."
AJ: "THAT TURD LOOK GOOD!"
Alex: 6/10
OJ: 6/10
AJ: 8/10
Final verdict: 8/10
Did OJ and Alex even need to be there?
@@86thPatriot yes?
@@86thPatriot it'd be cool if it was a avg final verdict forsure.
I know it's gonna blow everyone's mind but its a average movie. Can't bank on visuals alone for 3+ hours, there has to be some kind of compelling story.
AJ gets too emotional to give a proper verdict on a Movie!! Either that or heâs a total sell out! In Alex and OJ I trust â
One tip: pick a good theater with the comfy roomy seats, and itâs a good experience! I had the recliners with room in front where I never had to get up to let anyone exit or leave the row, saw it in 3D matinee for $12 a ticket. No complaints at all!!
Makes all the difference, those recliner seats!!!
I really liked the movie, sure the dialog was a little corny at times and gave me fast and furious Vin diesel "family is everything" vibes sometimes, but it was a great family movie and looked ridiculous and when you find out that every underwater scene was motion captured you just appreciate it even more.
Weta is actually a New Zealand based company, not Australia :)
heresy!
A đĄïž to the â€ïž
Yep.. WETA is an NZ based company, Afterall, Its Peter Jacksons company!
The Aussie one is Animal Logic....
Spectable stupid cash sash:((
My bad
It's nice seeing fathers treated with some respect.
honestly the kids showed no respect to their dad lmao.
'promise me dont go there.'
'i promise'.
Goes to said place.
@@ZeusKabooze ohhhhhhhhhh so like lion king
The world is coming around. People are finally realizing that while mothers are important they are not always right, true, and good.
It's nice seeing a father deserving respect get some.*
so you dont want a gay father couple in movies? what, are you a nazi?
When you score a movie for his visuals instead of the story is when you know entertainment is going in a bad direction.
Oh yeah you only watch black and white movies on a vcr entertainment is getting so much worse you'd rather sit next to a radio and stare at a wall who cares about visuals shut up dude
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and even james said they thought hard and they decided to make a lotmore films, and it starts with CLONE plot hole not good i say.
Movies are a visual experience, they're supposed to be pleasing to your eyes so you stare at it. Books exist if all you want is a story.
Great story, but when i watched it back at home. The first encounter with sully was the best chance to finish him.
I personally felt the whale relationship with the young kid was the best part of the movie.
Same
Sissy
Classic family... Not modern- half deds, 3 moms etc
I loved the family dynamics particularly with netyri going all mother bear at the end.
Kids? đŽđ€đ
Netyri is my least favorite character by far... she is all fine and dandy, but then when it's her turn to suffer she turns into a monster willing to kill her adopted son (spider). She is just as bad, if not worse than the humans in Avatar in a way.
@@briannerk3373 oh give me a breakđ.. it was clearly established in this movies expedition, Neteryi never really embraced Spider (due to past relationships with sky people). Even with Neteryi and Jake saved the kids, spider fell and kiri was like âOMG spider fellâ and Neteryi said âletâs go!â insinuating she doesnât care for spider.
Thatâs why spider retaliated by saving his naâvi father because he feels apart from the kids, thatâs the only true connection he has with someone.
It will be interesting to see spider and Neteryis relationship in the 3rd movie. Who knows, maybe spider gets a difference of heart and join the humansđ€·ââïž
@@joeyvaldez835 She was willing to murder an innocent child who protected her
@@briannerk3373 it was established she never cared for spider thatâs what Iâm trying to sayâŠ
And not so much innocent as he just saved the very person thatâs trying to kill her and her family and just killed her REAL son
I see your point though
I kinda figured oneâs investment in the film would be determined in how you felt about the kids. The âBoringâ section of the film was my favorite section. Totally invested in Kiri, and liked the younger sonâs subplot with the Whale. Plus all the underwater stuff.
Liked it far better than the first, and Iâm hyped for the 3rd. If this is really a long epic about the different generations of this family, then I think Cameron will have something that over the long term will stand the test of time. His Star Wars.
yep
I so agree with you Sean I unsubscribed this channel since the advent of Alex and never ending gimmick of oj being acting like a 14 year old, they only hate to be trendy and stay CZcams relevant
@@vaibhavkothari8240thatâs what these CZcamsrs do, most are bitter half glass empty types.
@@reeducated1281 and to add to that weâre only helping them get more engagement by commenting, I think the freedom of speech on this platform should be regulated or be monetized based on what people like and dislike.
I concur, Sean.
The middle of the movie was perhaps the most intriguing to me. There was a bunch of good stuff about this. The whole outcast situation with the whale was relatable and tied into the battle at the end of the movie. I really liked the daughters but i think that killing off the oldest son made a bit of sense here as well as the adoption of Spider at the end of the movie. I'd have to assume that Spider somehow gets an avatar of his own. I'd like that for his character but there is something about him staying human that can sort of tie together the Na'Vi and humans. I'd have to go off a ledge here and say that towards the end of this series that the Na'Vi and humans come together as one. I really would enjoy it if that is the case, but if not, then it's no dilemma.
I could've watched 5 hours of this. Super immersive, no pun intended, entertaining, and impressive. Loved the characters. Thought I was going to hate the kids, but ended up getting attached. Will definitely watch again in the theaters.
Could not disagree more thought there was maybe 1 or 2 fully flushed out characters, which is embarrassing since its a 3 and a half hour movie
The movie is crap.
Yeah, this time the charakters fell flat for me.
Yup with you there, loved the refreshing change of pace. Looking forward to the next one, will 100% rewatch both of these until then. These movies are the only ones worth looking forward to for me personally nowdays.
The plot and writing dragged down any positives this movie had. For every great moment with Noah and Kiri there was a caricature hunter or scientist.
Despite being 3+ hours, it seemed like there was an hour of missing footage. Most of it relating to the military plotline.
The first thing I notice about these reviews is Alex's demeanor. You see his expression and just know how he feels about the film.
Yeah he's a lonely grump
I don't think so he looks the same even when he's talking about his favorite media lord of the rings came by and got barely talked about he had the same look as this video most of the time but he supposedly knows everything and loves the books I wouldn't know though Joe talked so much more than him I can't remember Alex talking a lot
Felt like a movie for kids to be honest, apart from the visuals there's nothing much to look forward to unlike his previous sci-fi outlings(Aliens or Terminator 2)
@@knossostellel-amarna8502 why reply that here
@@bdubberz Because i can
I find a lot of people dislike the middle of the movie because it doesnât progress the story, but I believe itâs a good break from all the action, kind of like a ghibli movie, there are just parts to sit back and relax to and thatâs one of the things I found so enjoyable about this movie.
Also is nobody going to talk about Neyâtiris face at the end? You can see in her eyes how mad she is, how she has gone over the edge in rage and sorrow.
She was terrifying. She was out for blood, spider wasnât even safe
I like how she sees his bows father braking it and thats why she realice that she went too feral
That was by far my favorite part. Seeing her go protective mommy murder mode was so fucking lit.
Yes exactly like a Ghibli movie! Great comparison.
@@2manyballfaces46 yeah, I was actually scared when I saw her face
This movie blew me away they must have spent a fortune! The action scene made me feel like I was there!
i love the family aspect of the film, i love the way they focus on the kidâs development and i loved seeing the men being leaders and their wifeâs being fierce warriors even while pregnant. i donât see many movies come out that focuses on families much now a days. i also like the fact that they show human greed & destruction and how humans will come and destroy nature and natural way of life. i loved the water tribe kings wife and how she was pregnant and still strong and loving. movie was rlly good and interesting
I didnt like the kids or the pregnant women fighting đ
@@BlackCheezit i liked it đ
@@BlackCheezit Why not? The kids fighting makes perfect sense, as does the pregnant woman fighting.
@@GreenFalcon926 hmmm yuo make alot of sense. yes now i think im starting to like it đ€đ€đ€
Yes pregnant women, tha are weaker, slower, hormonal, and are nothing but a liability on a battlefield make perfect warriors..... my God the stupidity of some people today.
Reasons why this Avatar sequel got delayed 7 times (since 2013):
- James is trying new technology with filming underwater and higher fps film
- His music guy died
- He had trouble filming underwater and other challenges along the way
- He's making 4 sequels at once.
- Pandemic
What was the name of the Music Guy?
Wait a minute, 4 sequel the first one is water. Water earth fire air
What a coincidence.
You forget it is not just movie making is his passion but he has made documentries and like marine biology love the underwater and more then likely knows more about the ocean then most who have commented.
@@JackXfight most likely not. Since they (SPOILER WARNING)
said the water clan is their home now. Plus James Cameron is obsessed with submarines and underwater. He basically used this film to set the setting for the next films which again is with the water clan.
@@theskiffIâm guessing heâs gonna unite both sky and water clans together to fight the sky people
I think the âboringâ section of the movie invest the audience in the sea world of pandora.. I enjoyed it.. makes you feel like youâre in the world..
great movie.. people always find something to complain about
Another thing I noticed Joe say is that the movie is 3 and a half hours while the movie is barely 3 hours. Itâs total run time is 3 hours and 12 minutes with credits. Joe loves to exaggerate lol
Yea like a tourist aspect to the film that fills out those 3 hours
" people always find something to complain about." That's a guarantee!! đđ
@@Bigs-kn6lg literally bro itâs insane ..
*Alex always fines something to complain about* there. Fixed it for you lol.
I loved this film, the emotional scenes were truly emotional (for me), the visuals are best in business and the action is typically Cameron (its awesome). Its not perfect, but its a good movie overall.
Horrible movie overall
I agree. Fantastic movie overall, with some story/pacing/villain issues.
First film was better though
I literally saw the first movie fully for the first time like 2 days before I watched this movie, so the plot was fresh in my mind, and I really enjoyed this film. despite a few stupid ways to move the plot forward, I thought this was an excellent film with beautiful visuals and cinematography, and I did enjoy most of the characters, even the new ones.
yo me too
Itâs interesting how dramatically different reviews can be. The Telegraph hated this, calling it âwaterboarding with turquoise cement.â
@@mmm-mmm or maybe they are just pompous pricks
@@mmm-mmm Nope. Just by that snarky tone alone - one can guess how they approached watching the movie. Full edgelord. I also may be wrong. I have seen the movie, however - so I possibly am right when I disagree with them. đ
@@eddiek8179 or they did not like the movie. You can stop licking cameron's boots. Thank you
@@mmm-mmmas someone who served in the military hand went to SERE school. I can say that assessment of which is worse is INCORRECT
Someone had a bad day when he went to the movie
I came back from the theater, and I was surprised how much I enjoyed the film when I had almost no expectations for it. While I do feel the first one was better in terms of streamlining the pace and story, the second one felt a lot more personal and touched on the theme of fatherhood very well.
yeah I just saw it too and was quite impressed such a breath of fresh air compared to the MCU tripe.
Does it make you cry
Im not a father and can't relate to that - is this movie going to bore me?
@@Jerico195You'll probably enjoy it
Exactly how I feel
Saw it Thursday in regular cinema. Saw it again Friday night in imax 3D. Was amazing! Might also be because Iâm a new father so the parent beat hit a little more then it could for most. Definitely need more of the world now
Simp
@@ElCyberWizard for who?
yes. i felt like the characters grew with me. For me the movie hit all the right notes. 10/10
What did you prefer 3D or normal. Iâve seen normal already wanted to know if was worth it again
@@stefanlaterra5797 yes
This is an experience! These movies are made to feel, not just see a movie. Itâs worth the IMAX 3D admission alone. You feel like youâre on another planet just witnessing something. Iâd watch a 3 hour tech demo of Pandora in IMAX lol⊠itâs so immersive.
Did you not see the first in 3d???? Sorry but this while looking great is not anything new. They have pretty much perfected what already exists. Whereas the first one was the first time you could get truly immersed in 3d. I'd say the first was a experience the second is just the best of what we have already seen.
â@@morsorcus8152 it looks way better than the first one especially the underwater scenes.
@@PepeMetallero ....compared to the nonexistant underwater scenes lol. The visuals are an improvement but your coping hard if your gonna act like its an insane improvement. The first was the first real good looking movie in 3d. It was a much more impressive visual experience than the second. And the story of the first is far better. And you don't see idiotic pregnant women getting themselves and their children slaughtered to promote an inherently stupid and incorrect political view.
Itâs not worth the 3d
@@morsorcus8152 2nd had way better special effects, you are blind if you can't see that, lmao.
Looks like it was better than a lot of people thought it would be, thatâs good. I had a lot of people tell me it wasnât going to be good because they thought the first movie was forgettable but it seems that wasnât the case
trueâŠthat was definitely not the cages
Forgetable? The argument people use when saying this is because you don't remember characters names, sure i don't remember the names but i well do remember the epic war and the reasons wich is what the movie gives the most screen time. Also i remember the characters and the badass fights. Movie was good and deserved the attention.
Yeah the plot was easy to understand. I donât know how they can forget one of the characters shooting a guy with a bow and arrow while he was in a mech. That scene is my favorite
@@BoxFang it was a pretty impressive tech demo for 3D movies back then and a good way to show off the new TVs in stores. Not really a movie that couldâve made the biggest box office in the world without being in theaters for over 10+ months and getting the huge bump in 3D ticket package sales.
Iâll be waiting for Nerdroticâs review before going tbh
James Cameron blew me away in only 22 mins into the film, setting it's tone and story up, I am beyond satisfied with this movie, epic planting of what's to come...now I want to go swimming.
How about the other 2hours and 50 min...was it as compelling as the first 22?
@@berniem9254 very much so Bernie, this time around Cameron really draws you into the world of Pandora, I mean this from the bottom of my heart..the fathers stories, the mothers emotion, hell even the alien whales made me tear up...I gotta say I'm very excited to watch part 3,4, and 5..and the cliffhangers were on level of game of thrones...I can't wait for part 3 now..how long must I wait for it....yes it's that good , no I'm not a hype man (unless it's pertaining to Godzilla)
@@theknightspalace Damn, that's a good explanation. I might have to see it now, I just thought it was all CGI filler?
@@berniem9254 this level of cgi , I have never seen before James has spent some money on upgrades, it's so real you almost believe everything is real, yes it's that good matter of fact avatar uses 60% cgi techniques..this time you can hardly tell..im still figuring out how the hell he pull off the underwater scenes
@@theknightspalace That surprises me, seeing how well Top Gun did with no CGI. I figured people had moved on but we'll see how well the box office sales go
Maybe it was just me but the flash backs in the end to character that dies really hit me in the feels as a parent. I think like others have said I also really liked the family dynamic in this movie and definitely got attached more then the first
Alex knows what heâs talking about đ
Move is like a replay all over again with the same villain. 6/10
Same villain equates to bad movie? I guess the Harry Potter franchise and the Star wars franchise are all bad since those have one main villain too. That's kinda shallow but thanks for nothing.
@@musakamara4157 Star Wars doesnât use the Same villain in every movie,instead they mention the villain in some of their movies that build up to the very end.
Oj and alex have the attention span of a navee child with a tik tok account
Why is it everyone praises Cameron for his CGI when he has no substance to back it up, but all other sci-fi films get vitriolic criticism for the very presence of CGI.
no substance?
If you are going expecting Citizen Kane style plot or something with complexity than you are gonna be disappointed. However like all J.Cameron films there is a level of simplicity layered with emotional resonance. Look back at all his films every single one of them are very simple plots but has layers to them with some emotional attachment to them. Aliens is a simple war film but at the heart of it is a battle of 2 mothers. T2 is about 2 Terminators fighting for a kid but at its heart a kid finding a father figure & a machine learning the meaning of being human. That's just how he writes his stories.
@@izumolee6714 I think you're glossing over the fact that the screenplays for Aliens, Terminator etc. were made a lot better than for this movie.
That's the main criticism of Alex, the screenplay is just not good and the "excuses" for plot development are also not good.
@@J-Dawg81 most critizise the story. Yes, no substance, buddy
Lmao no substance for hater. I mean if a lot of people like it đ€ how the hell you call it no substance.
This movie is BAD, story is very random and illogical felt like a setup for movie 3, felt like just a barrage of random cool vfx shots, the children were written by someone who was homeschooled and just continue to do stupid things just to push the story, every character lacks logic it goes on and on
2 tickets: $40
Popcorn and drink: $20
Look on your girlfriends face when she realizes she has poor taste in movies: priceless
The problem is most people thought this was too long, but I wanted more, I wanted them to spend more time developing the characters that will be appearing in the sequel. I needed more time with Spider as it seems he will end up heel turning or even the one who kills his dad in the end. My 8 year old sat through this film with no problems on the length and in fact she wanted more also, so I guess if you thought the movie was too long, it's just maybe not for you and you had the wrong energy going into the movie.
Most people didn't think it was too long after they saw it, LOL. People say the time flew by
I thought the same, dude! I hope James Cameron releases some type of directorâs cut since I had basically the same gripe as youâŠ
I know people have their opinions but I personally love long movies I donât think we get enough long movies anymore đ
@@emilianohermosilla3996 take my money
Wasnât long enough
Such an amazingly wonderful film. I didnt think I would get attached to the kids but I'm glad they did the character development well. Kiri ended up being ny favourite.
Loak was my fav
Kiri was an interesting character, given she has Eywaâs direct connection. I think sheâs going to be much powerful in the upcoming movies. My favorite character is Spider. Heâs well aware that he is human, but I love how he embraces it. I like that he and the children accept him as a Naâvi. I am very interested to see how Neytiriâs relationship with him will grow.
Shit was cringe lol
@@rumchata6569 you're so edgy
it was genuinely a bad movie. SO many dumb shots just to show off visuals, like yeah i get it you have good CGI. Where is the story though? there was absolutely no story. It felt dumb and cheap that they reincarnated the marine leader, they wanted him to have a redemption arc where he cares about his son but then they take every opportunity to make him overly evil for no reason and that redemption just is forgotten about. The kids don't seem to be able to learn from past mistakes, they keep endangering themselves in the most ridiculous ways. Everything is so clearly telegraphed, we can see from a mile away that the water na'vi kids are going to put the younger son in a dangerous position and it was so obvious that his elder brother was going to die. The story is so weak, why the hell are the human forces expending all these resources to take out one na'vi? We find out that Earth is dying and all of humanity is ultimately going to come to this planet...but you want to go after 1 specific na'vi? And he decides to leave behind his entire army that is seemingly conducting successful guerilla attacks against the humans why? no idea. why have we never heard of these water Na'vi? No idea, no mention of any other type of na'vi in the first movie at all but conveniently here they are. So we have forest na'vi, sea na'vi, wanna bet that we will have mountain na'vi and desert na'vi? Some weak connection of the elements, earth, water , air and fire? The pacing of this movie is so off, the first movie did way better in this regard, we were introduced to new elements at relevant times and it never felt overwhelming nor spoonfeeding.
A personal opinion now, I am so sick of movies that just keep ramming thinly veiled climate change BS down our throats. Yeah, pollution is bad, we need to get renewable energy, but why are humans being depicted as these genocidal maniacs and other species are shown to be these morally virtuous nature loving hipies that are just way better than us in every single way
I just watched it and loved it. My only complaint (unless thereâs something I missed), was James Cameron bringing back the old villain, after killing him in the first one.
Please don't ban 3D glasses James Cameron. People will see me crying easily in Avatar 3
Final verdict 8/10
Thanks!
Too many blue people?
the hero we deserve
overrated as usual from Joe, I mostly listen to Alex because he's got a realistic grasp on the good and the bad. This thing is a 5/10 and perhaps a 6 if you really want to see pretty colors on the screen
@@unknownlycan see it in imax or not at all.
That middle part was my favorite. I loved just seeing the kids interact with the world. It's character development.
zzzzzzzzzz
@@antonimartinez9961 lol
Stop, this movie is bad. It fell off
I literally timed it they focus on the whales for 45 mins!!!!! Like I need some answers on so many plot holes and they spend practically the whole third act on whales
â@AVanMan Im pretty sure the other stuff gets adressed in the next movies. I guess he took so dang long cause he was writing 4 movies getting things fleshed out then finally started filming the second.
I would like to hear the plot Alex could come up with? Since nothing is ever good enough
I've noticed that too nothing is ever good enough they downplay greatness but they lift up mediocrity and ignore it's shortcomings they're so backwards lately they gave this a 6 but they'll rate she Hulk an 8 or moon knight or Loki or Ms Marvel they're so weird
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I honestly agree with him. Most of the plot wouldn't happen if the kids were not constantly in danger. James Cameron seriously couldn't figure out other ways to move the story forward? The first movie didn't really have as much hostage situations as this movie.
The plot was very shallow in my opinion. They definitely didn't put their budget there lol
@@shatterband24 Your problem
Beyond the visuals, the movie was kinda bad, james cameron has an uncanny way of making a 3 minute break to watch a fake cgi whale swim very cool and inspiring, and everything looked crazy realistic, the problem is that one the original came out, that was crazy impressive and now these visuals are the norm. I walked out of the theater and couldnât tell you a single characters name. The story was more of a rehash of the first than the force awakens was of a new hope. Its the same protagonist, antagonist, technology, storyline basically beat for beat. The story was pretty bad, the whole movie basically came down to the children being captured on 3 seperate occasions, and everytome they were threatened to be killed. SO STOP BLUFFING AND SHOOT THEM BAD GUY! Just wasnt great, but looked amazing
I loved it. I saw it alone but Iâm definitely going back to see it again with my family
Yes people don't like it why don't it if you didn't like first one.
Its not good for kids.
Lmao im about to see it alone too, my buddy in ca too. We gettin old and still wanna see avatar
It was really relateable to me. Kids do dumb ass shit over and over. Pair that with the spiritual side and the CGI / relatability I loved it.
Excuses
This is what I will say about Avatar: The Way of Water.
Films with over 3 hour runtime exist, (Titanic, LOTR, Endgame, Casino, The Godfather) and their runtime is never discussed nor is it against their enjoyability factor. With new streaming shows, most people do not care about watching a 10 one-hour per episode series. The bringing up of the runtime is irrelevant to a filmâs quality. Second, while the plot of the first film is similar to other works, most of the âfilm brosâ/movie reviewers watch comic book films which in terms are copy/paste stories just with a different superhero. It is also strange to mention Avatarâs age gap between its sequel when films like Top Gun:Maverick, Incredibles 2 and even Rambo took longer breaks and truly did not have an excuse to wait so long for their sequels to come out.
James Cameronâs secret to his successful films is telling a simple story with a big visual spectacle. The Way of Water has a very interesting story in which the children are front and center. The Sully kids are their own people and while they do make mistakes, in real life children/teens commit these same mistakes. Disobedience, proving oneself to parents and listening to peer pressure are very realistic and sometimes traumatizing moments.
Having the âboringâ time to learn about the kids' dynamics with one another is important in order to care about their kidnapping in the later part. Films like The Breakfast Club and American Graffiti show scenes of teens being teens and that further explores those characters as beyond stereotypes. The Metkayina people are different from the Omaticaya people and having that moment of learning is important. Jake and Neytiri take a back seat as characters but it is important as by the end we get a sense of the entire Sully family and where they will go in Avatar 3.
the action sucked, the kids sucked , the tarzan boy was so annoying.the first one was waaay better than this
I went in with zero expectation, and I have to say it was pretty good and I enjoyed it waaaay more than I expected. And believe it or not, I actually am looking forward to the next installment; if it ever get made in my lifetime lol
James Cameron, the mad man which he is, filmed Avatar 2/3 back to back.. đ
He's literally working on 4 at the moment.
Part 3 and half of 4 is already filmed. Confirmed in interviews and articles by James. According to James he says it should only take 2 years before 3 comes out âif everything goes as planned.â
Avatar 3 comes out in 2024!
if you had zero expectations, wh did you watch it on day 1? im calling bs
@@eirikarnesen9691 Cause my gf wanted to watch it, so I was like sure lol
The part of the movie that lost me a little bit was the ending on the ship and the kids getting captured over and over again. The rest was pretty awesome though. Especially the under water flora and fauna.
everyone had the same reaction with the first Avatar. Then they didn't have theaters to watch and realize how bad it really was.
Good point
âYou shit on comic book movies for the last decade and you come up with this shit?â Alex- Our Hero
I appreciate Alexâs candor and OJ has a very relatable way of expressing his thoughts on the films. This debate style / different opinions approach to the review is where u guys do good.
Good observation, I see that too have a good day
It'd be nice if they could actually finish a sentence before Joe cuts them off and starts talking over them. I mean, who does that shit?
I gotta admit that i like the fact that they have different view points
@@artistryartistry7239 to be fair he is getting better at it, but yeh sometimes it feels like they have to rush with what they have to say otherwise they get cut off
i slept during it.
40 year old single nerds who play board games and video games all day are annoyed by kids. Surprising.
It's dissapointing to hear Joe saying "yea, there are problems, like the story, the dialogue, the pacing but 'dat look gooood'" therefore it's great.
I think I'd be with Alex on this one, so I'm gonna pass and watch it on streaming at some point.
same here, I'm not at the age anymore that visuals are of much importance without a solid story to back it up. Alex seems to me to grasp that point much better than Joe ever does.
Its just a simple story but simple isn't bad. And for a movie like Avatar, streaming is shit. Because its not like everyday films or like MCU films (which I myself watch in streaming because of disastrous phase 4)
â@@Cenot4ph Preach. Too old to watch movies at the theater for the visuals alone. Streaming it is.
Itâs good to hear that Joe acknowledges the problems though.
I remember how the first movie got a lot of criticism and i can recall many people saying it was overrated, but i never felt that way. I personally really enjoyed the first movie and have been looking forward to to the second one coming out, i haven't seen it yet but i suspect it will pull me in.
I found the first one boring, but I loved the sequel to hell, so I'm sure you'll thoroughly enjoy it!
Watch it in IMAX 3D!!
I saw it in imax 3d just now. Felt just like you did before I saw it.
I didn't understand the second film at all. It also got very violent towards the end. Waste of time, waste of money.
A lot of the hate has to do with the in your face and uncompromising political theme!
Itâs kinda crazy to think Avatar will be the last thing James Cameron does as a film director.
The boring ass parts where the whales are swimming around or anybodyâs talking is when youâre supposed to go to the bathroom/play on your phone/leave the theater for an hour and go shopping or something.
Simple but relatable story with good direction and breathtaking visuals. Actual 16 times the detail
4 x the size of avatar 1
So you are saying Avatar "just works"?
@@HBKshowstopper *Perfectly Works
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Literally just got home from watching this about 5 minutes ago. Was 100% better than I had thought it was going to be.
Terrible movie.
I agree with the fact that they focus too much on the "stupid boys". First of all, they act like they're a bunch of present-day (as in, today) kids who run around speaking English with slang from Earth, while they're on PANDORA, this planet that you need to travel to for like 6 years to get there, in the 2150s or something, when they're raised by natives there, as well as a parent that was a disciplined Marine. - WHY were they starting and ending every sentence with "bro"?... Did Cameron just tell them to "just do what you would do"?... Cause it would probably be accurate. - Anyway, I wish they had focused more on Kiri for instance, because she was fascinating and I wanted to know more about her. - She had this natural fascination for her environment because of her mother, and it was just wholesome, and they should have gone more in-depth with her as a character. - They only touched upon her struggles with being "different", but it would've been way better if they went deeper on how she's offspring from Grace and all that. - Such a waste. - I honestly didn't even care that one of the boys died, which should made me weep. But I was pretty much indifferent because of the over-exposure and the "bro"-count they racked up.
Character development and world building was a huge priority and I definitely appreciate the fact. Soundtrack is always a plus and the movie is visually captivating. The story is obviously nothing new when it comes to colonization of an indigenous world but still overall fun all around. 8-9/10 for sure.
9.5/10 bro
Character development and worldbuilding, and just the audience's general emotional investment in the story, are often the biggest weak points for movies like this, but for Avatar they're the movie's biggest strength IMO.
Yeah the plot is generic and nothing super special, but who cares? It doesn't need to be special, it just needs to serve as a way to create stakes and make us worry for the characters and world we're emotionally invested in.
Tons of movies with a similar plot, or even a more special and more interesting plot, end up being incredibly boring because the emotional investment just isn't there.
@@snapgab totally agree. Another movie on the list of world building and character building is The Irishman. A definite masterpiece
I enjoyed this more than marvel movies.
6/10 is what I gave it, Alex and OJ are on point.
who is OJ?
@@pirocan1Other Joe
Pretty visuals do not equal good movie.
Sounds like Alex was salty because James Cameron trashed Marvel. đ
Idk why but I loved this movie so much. I am part Native American so I felt the whole energy and everything being connected more than the first. And the family dynamic hit too. I mean hell I saw this movie with my family. Iâm excited for the third movie if they give it it a go
I'm native and I hate it.
bro trying to make it about race also they are suppose to be African if you haven't notice again now every thing has to get political
what do blue people have to do with native americans
I went into it open minded but God damnit the movie is so logically handicapped that it makes my brain hurt when I try to make any sense of it
1/5 đż( only point for amazing visuals )
Iâve just seen it and went with no expectations. It was a lot better than I thought it would be and Iâm invested in the Avatar universe again.
Looking forward to Avatar 3.
Not going to watch Avatar 3 if it appears. Nasty violent at the end.
"if it appears" mfer they filmed all of avatar 3,2 years ago
I love immersing myself in alien worlds. The immersion of an alien planet makes up for any weakness the story could have in my opinion
I agree. The spectacle of the movie is its first purpose. I also thought the story was more than acceptable. I think people get caught up in this expectation that blockbusters have to follow the same narrative guides, but obviously Avatar is about immersing you in the world
World building is often snobbed by critics
If I barely remember anything about the first film, it doesn't.
@@GreggValue If that were true, Pandora - World of Avatar in Disney World should've been enough. Movies need substance, they're not just tech demos.
@@jlev1028 doesn't for you
any person who finds the second act of the film boring or agrees with the idea that this film is just a tech demo, probably only went to see Avatar 2 with expectations of more gunfights, constant action and watched it in theatres while sat impatiently waiting for the finale of the film.
every scene develops a character in some small way, allows to see the world from their eyes and lets us spend time with them rather than use them to drive the narrative. even the small scene of seeing Kiri stare at the sand reminded me of how Studio Ghibli films show characters going about their lives doing small tasks which mean nothing to the story but make them feel so much more real and I personally love it
I agree with Alex and OJ. 1st movie was WAY better. This movie was mid af. Plot sucked, driving force behind the plot sucked, the kids werenât memorable and I couldnât remember most new characterâs names because there were so many, villain was terrible, etc. I can appreciate the visuals being shoved to the forefront due to world-building but this movie really didnât need to be that long. Spider was ok at first but just got annoying and was a complete idiot. Clearly just a plot device as well. Hated how Netyri was shoved to the background in this when she was a STRONG female lead in the last movie and much more appealing. 4/10
You can always count on Alex to give you the most concise analysis and breakdown of a film
I always can't wait for his opinion. Brutally honest and inspective.
Bro heâs Who I come to hear from at this point, I just like the brutality of it no added points because they got a nice actor, no added points because itâs a franchise that he holds close to his heart
I do feel that heâs overly critical at times
@@juliandavis9711 sometimes it feels like he deducts points if its not what he likes personally , for instance he didnt care about the visuals in this movie when thats part of films...
@@juliandavis9711 thatâs because heâs trying not to look at it through the lens of a fanboy. Heâs critiquing the movie. Thats what heâs supposed to do. Heâs the foil to both Angry Joe who see it from a Fans perspective and the other Joe who sees it from a laymanâs perspective.
Personally I love the movie so much. I expected it to be outstanding but my mind was completely blown away. Loved the story, characters and world of Pandora but the visuals are a visual spectacle and for didn't expect 3d to feel so natural and give such immense depth.
I also liked how in the middle of the movie we were exploring the water and learning about new animals and fishes. I was so mesmerized by it but also because I'm in love with Pandora so it was very interesting to me. And I'm really grateful they included it.
I was blown away by the amazing 3D visuals.
Same saw it in 3D it simply gave me the same feeling or similar to the first film I felt like yes we are exploring a different side of pandora the forest tribe goes to a sea tribe but damn itâs so good itâs beautiful
i agree on the visuals but only the visuals. the rest was just meh
@@kinghemirstir9390 the whole movie was crap Visuals make a real movie ffs the story is politically motivated again woke crap !!
@@Jedimaster-el1ve please explain how this was woke crap? And there is literally no better looking movie on this planet. Which proves you didn't see it
First Avatars story was literally Pocahontas but with Aliens and a big tree.
If Avatar 1 came out instead of this I wouldnt go see it. My family basically bought my Imax ticket the first time, no way I'm gonna sit 3 hours to see CGI smurfs swim with alien fish
I might be one of the few who was actually anticipating this, mainly because of how much I liked it as a kid. But seeing how they improved on their previous installment, I'm happy to see that good progress was made
What'd you like about the 1st in this series, as a kid? Cgi characters doing cool stuff around cool graphical visual stuff? Visuals are cool. Plot and characters and intelligent writing must be nothing next to cool visuals.
@@heetsees listen dude, I love Plot and characters and intelligent writing, however sometimes I can afford to take a break and watch something that's just fun. Its okay to like 'dumb' action movies every once in awhile and enjoy them for what they are.
Bro millions of people are excited about this film. Don't listen to the extremely loud minority who devote their lives online hating on James Cameron simply because his work gives people joy. And they're miserable humans.
@@heetsees This kid is mad mad đ€Ł
@@heetsees The world building and pacing in the first film was so good, characters were okay but it really felt like an actual world. Plot was nothing original but not bad by any means.
I truly believe Alex enjoys nothing in life
I wish Cameron would have landed the Lord of the rings. Imagine if he didn't have to build the world and story from scratch...
Sick of Joe trying to steer Alex into liking the movie, Alex is superior in his critics/opinion across the board.
The Father role was perfect! The visuals... Perfect! The story was okay! You and your grandmother knows that no one goes to watch avatar 2 for the story in it. this movie is all about visuals! James fucking Cameron is the king of trolling! Saying testosteron masculinity is bad, just to release the biggest non woke film in a long time! Family! Unity! Good Fatherhood! This is how you do a movie! đȘđ»đ„
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8/10
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Only criticism of these movies that Iâve never agreed with is the whole âTheyâre showing the scenery too muchâ Like bro. Everybody watching Avatar 1 fell in love with Pandora. Not the characters.
I personally love that about these movies and would love to see more parts of Pandora
The timing of the movie was great, there's not alot of movies right now with strong and decently written family dynamics. And this movie coming out so close to Christmas seems like a perfect one to watch with the family
âWeta from Australiaâ ya lost me there
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Did anyone else feel like the sea folk disappeared in the main battle? After the smaller boats were destroyed they vanished and you didnât see any of them except the chieftains daughter in any of the fights or scenes.
I agree, a lot of little plot holes like that. The humans had an easy shot on the protagonists so many times yet they somehow never got them
Yep...I noticed the same.. I was like...where the fck did the water tribe go?? Their freaking princess was in danger and not one of them showed up. It was a big plot hole, cameron had to do that because he needed an excuse so that the general could survive. Lame ass plot.
Obligatory Kiwi Response: Oh no Angry Joe did you say Weta was from Australia? It's from New Zealand! đ
I agree with Joe here, I really like this film, but it was definitely a transition point where we are being introduced to this new cast of characters. However for the life of me I don't understand the other two's criticisms of the villains killing animals "just to be bad guys." Humans are capable of evil when they are trying to force others to do their bidding, it's just that simple. The Navi hold nature and by extension animals near to themselves culturally and emotionally, and the bad guys know this. It's certainly not a stretch that they would kill animals to try and strong arm the Navi to do their bidding in that context..
Did joe say he is a father ? I didnât know joe had kids. Joe would be the coolest dad lmao
I want to say his gf has kid(s) but yeah he is a father and yeah probably the coolest dad.
I havenât yet seen this, but Iâll definitely watch this more than twice on 3D. I LOVED the original Avatar, still do to this day, and Iâm sure Iâll love this one as well.
The best time was my fake bathroom brake
Avater is one of the most overhyped and overappreciated movies of all time.
@@markiv2942 can you not be happy with his own opinion rather than you trying to say its overhyped etc ....some people these days đ€Šââïž
@@markiv2942 facts
It was sad when Neteyam died in the end.
Avatar 2: The Way of Water
Avatar 3: The Way of Earth
Avatar 4: The Way of Fire
Avatar 5: The Way of Air
I swear Alex is a grumpy old man in a young person's body! Too often he is over cynical. 100% with Joe on this one.
The kids in this movie reminded me of being a kid including the stupid dangerous things we did to eachother.
I can't say I was expecting much after 13 years but goddamn, it was excellent. It has the best CGI I've ever seen, and the plot was good enough to keep me interested throughout its ridiculously long runtime. James Cameron still knows how to make an incredibly entertaining movie
I agree I think a lot of people expected it to be a perfect film and it wasnât but damn did it get close the whole time I was loving the movie
â@@locomotivetrain3797 same as a person who did not care about this movie but ended up watching it expecting a mediocre movie i was very suprised on how good it was
Ugh. Avatar is about immersing yourself in the world. Something doesn't need to be happening every minute of the film to be a good film. Alex probably thinks every Marvel movie is the greatest movie lmfao.
I never saw one because every time I asked someone how it was, they said the special fx were amaaaaaazing! I asked about the story and they said well the special fx were amazing.
Yeah, part 2 is giving me deja vu. Both have insanely boring terrible stories but that cgi though. People are easily distracted/entertained by shiny pretty things so who cares if it has a good story or not?
I was totally expecting to be like Alex but âŠâŠ.. I actually loved it.
Alex is basically the twitter boomer everytime hating and complaining about stupid things, I always skip his parts
@@francescofioroni70 nah I liked the movie but everything Alex said actually made a lot of sense to me
Please donât ever expect or try to be like Alex, heâs the only reason Iâm hesitant to watch AJâs video
@@RoldanRivas he puts to much and expects common sense and realism when it comes to sci-fy movies. Seems like he's incapable of turning off his brain and just have fun
James Cameron said this is awesome because James Cameron is... James Cameron.
Being a dad, I really appreciated this film. Solid 9/10
I think this movie was shallow they relyed more on the visuals and forgot about the story. This just felt like a throw away just to set up the future movies. A lot of nothing happened the last hour felt like a new movie the water people got forgoten about
The kids kept getting themselves captured so many times shit was getting ridiculous
They got captured - TWICE. No more ridiculous than heroes and super heroes getting captured multiple times. Are we supposed to count capture amounts now to determine movie quality?
@@eddiek8179 why does this movie have to be compared to superhero movies? Canât it stand on its own?
captured and freed then captured then freed then captured.....
@@Murphy82nd I'm actually not. I'm just saying since the kids getting captured TWICE, mind you, was such a negative to him. Did he feel the same when heroes AND/OR superheroes got captured in other movies? Do you get what I'm saying? I'm talking about the amount of capture being a qualitative component of determining a movie. It happens in a lot of movies. Why should it matter here especially when it happens twice. Even one of the characters notes it. I just think it's a weird place to be hung up on. The epitome of being nit picky.
What Alex said about JC shitting on Marvel and then this, totally agree.