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Rhaenys riding Meleys The Red Queen spoiled Aegon's Coronation and flew Dragonstone to warn Queen Rhaenyra of the situation.
Meleys The Red Queen spared the lives of King Aegon II & his whole family in House of the Dragon
Princess Rhaenys while imprisoned by Queen Alicent Hightower, escaped and approached with her dragon Meleys. She could have roasted the entire family of Otto Hightower, Aemond Targaryen, Helena Targaryen, but she spared their lives by a gesture of mercy and a warning.
Meleys, nicknamed the Red Queen, is a she-dragon ridden by Princess Rhaenys Targaryen. Covered in scarlet scales, she has accents of bright copper. It is her unique coloring for which she received her nickname. In her youth, she is said to have outpaced even Caraxes and Vhagar.
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House of the Dragon
Episode 10
The Black Queen
Director:
Greg Yaitanes
Writers:
Ryan J. CondalGeorge R.R. Martin
Stars:
Paddy Considine, Olivia Cooke, Emma D'Arcy
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I love how Rhaenyra signals her stepdaughters to join the council, remembering how she felt when she was teenager and ignored.
I love how everyone acknowledges the honor of the starks and the north
But they were also ignored
@@rogueshougan7700 No they were not. She acknowledged them. That’s more than enough given the circumstances. They’re still teenagers, mind you.
@@user-tm1kb3fq4m It's part of the theme for the first season and a representation of troop movements.
@@rogueshougan7700 They never even spoke how can they be ignored?
“There has never lived a Stark who forgot an oath” was the best part. It shows the Starks have always been the most honorable and always keeps their word out of all Westeros houses.
Well Starks are wardens of the North, literally kings of anything from the Neck upwards and no one contests that unlike the Riverlands.
Until the tragic died of Rickard stark and Robb Stark, they said "The north remembers"
Robb Stark will change that !
@@alessiodandolo1460 Robb sacrificed his own honour to protect Jeyne's it was not smart but it was still honourable.
@@masterplokoon8803 "Not smart but honourable", it should be House Stark's houseword...
She allowed her stepdaughters to join the council, and listens when her sons ask to be her winged messengers, as she had wished when she was younger. The parallels are fantastic this season
And just like she might have been killed by her decision to fly off to dragonstone when she was heir.... Well no spoilers 😊
Which got her kid killed. Guess she understands now why her father was freaking out. The only reason she lived is because Daemon loves her/her father
Viserys also knew how dangerous dragons can be especially when approaching another dragon rider who is hostel, hence why he didn't want young Rhanerya facing Daemon. Fast forward, Rhanerya and her council on the otherhand did not foresee this and it cost her son's life.
@@hoodyfrog7036 the black queen doesn't make good decisions. In other news the sky is blue and the grass is green 😂
@@Razi_ftw I think, like Ned Stark, she expected honor from her enemies. The honorable thing was not to harm diplomatic envoys. But all is fair in war, and dragons are a force of their own when unleashed.
“Our uncle calls us Strongs, and claims we are bastards, but when the lords see us on dragonback they will know that for a lie. Only Targaryens ride dragons” Lucerys Velaryon
still bastards 😂😂😂
I mean tbf.. they ARE bastards, but they also happen to be Targaryen😂
@@drewpydick8320 the thing is that they could be both, they're both Strong and Targaryens, but 0% Velaryon, therefore they have claim to the Iron Throne, but no goddamn claim on the Driftwood Throne whatsoever.
@@tanthedreamer They are betrothed to their cousins who do have a claim so it would stay in the family ;)
@@Kalenz1234 that's true only if it is a matrilineal marriage, which it is not. So while the blood will stay in the family, the name will not, their sons and daughters will bear the Targaryens name, and the Velaryon will lose control of the Driftwood Throne. To make it matrilineal is not ideal either, since you don't want a Valeryon to inherit the Iron Throne.
1:50 I love the way he delivers "there has never lived a stark who has forgotten an oath." He's not even praising the starks, he just knows it's an immovable fact that the starks will honor the oath. The greens don't even really try to get the north on their side, cause they also know this.
Otto said that the Greens sent a message to the Starks as well.
@@masterplokoon8803 prob a desperate attempt, the north is one of the largest kingdoms
I mean, they did actually. The Stark's previous Lord swore an oath, not the current
@@bonesock6768 if they sent messages the major houses the Starks are obviously included. And the idea that every Stark is copy pasted from Ned Stark and somehow as honourable as him is ridiculous. People are individuals and have diferent personalities and a lot of Ned's sense of honour came from his time with Jon Arryn. Cregan Stark is honourable in his own way but much diferent from Ned.
And that’ll be their downfall.
Rhaenyra: None of our dragons have been to war.
Caraxes: Am I a joke to you?
Daemon ironically is the only dragonrider who has controlled his dragon in combat over all of them. Corlys and Daemon are the only generals in the whole continent who have managed combat more complicated than border skirmishes against Dorne.
I understood it as she speaking in behalf of her and her children. Especially sjnce she was talking to Daemon.
Laenor also rode Seasmoke during the War for the Stepstones.
Rhaenyra made the same mistake that Dany made:
She decided to go through with "clever plans" instead of using her f*cking dragons. That's what sealed all of their fates. Like Dany.
maybe she meant in dragon battle, non of their dragons fought another dragon yet.
Daemon's professionalism in giving the Queen a full accounting of Dragonstone's capabilities was incredible.
That’s all he wanted to do for his brother. But now he will do it for his a queen and wife
@@selenamartinez2493 Thank you. This is the part many fans can't understand. If Daemon truly wanted to overthrow Viserys or Rhaenyra....he would have done it already. Would he have stayed in Pentos after he married Laena....the rider of Vhagar? Like, come on now.
Daemon wanted to be by Viserys side period. It is why he actually listens when he is ordered to do something. All he ever wanted was his brothter's approval.
@@janellejulianajoy Viserys was right when he said that Daemon didn't want the throne and didn't have the patience for it. He would have gotten bored with the mundane details of governance. What he was good at, and what he wanted, was to be an advisor and an enforcer. Those roles are more active and require the king's (or queen's) trust and respect
@@TheRAH14Exactly! This is why the hightowers and their allies always wanted Daemon away from the capital. Had Viserys truly trusted his brother and let him do what needed to be done, he could've gotten rid of all the snakes that were coiling around Viserys, and that truly terrified them.
When I first watched this scene I thought Daemon was overshadowing Rhaenyra because he wanted to be King instead of her and was taking on the reins of the council. But as the episode went forward I realized that what he truly wants is to destroy his enemies, Otto Hightower most amongst them, and war is all he cares about.
idk if "all he cares about" but it's certainly all he knows. His niece wants to be queen and he's going to make it happen the only way he knows how, by fighting the bloodiest civil war in westerosi history and killing everyone who declares themselves Green
He gave solid advice and his opinion should have been the way to go. He's been to war before
Daemon is the most experienced man when it comes to war in that room. She needs his wisdom in warfare. Also, if you're Daemon, you wouldn't want to give your wife too much in her plate considering that she just been through a miscarriage.
He’s also pissed and grieving. Just lost his daughter and brother. And his wife’s throne usurped.
In the books, daemon is considered (rightfully) so to be “the most dangerous man in westersos. He’s plainly described as being THE premier threat of the black council. Rhaenyra doesn’t have hardly any experience in war, we’ve only seen small glimpses of her fighting prowess. Her boys are both untested. But Daemon…hes the fucking rockstar of the blacks. I really think Daemon is not given enough credit for how COMPETENT he can be when he needs to be. It’s often overshadowed by him doing whatever rash, reckless nonsense he chooses, but when he commits to something, he is the conqueror reborn.
Look how quickly he ended the war in the stepstones, after hearing that his brother was going to “step in” and help his side. Dude decided he was gonna go all in, and when the pressure is on is when Daemon is in his element .
But here we also see that Daemon is able to be very much composed when he needs to be. I mean whilst Otto and his council are surely fast tracking their own plan and thinking ten steps ahead, we also see that Daemon is doing the same very early on into this conflict. Establishing their numerical standing, their advantages and disadvantages, how to exploit their opponents disadvantages and play into their own strengths. He’s a masterful tactician. That’s why his eventual death really is felt amongst the blacks side.
Love the detail of Rhaenys's expression at Daemon when he numbers Meleys among the dragons of the Black faction.
If I'm correct, these are the Greens' dragons:
Three adults:
Vhagar - the faction's true upper hand. Ridden by Aemond one - eye.
Sunfyre - Golden. Most beautiful living dragon. Ridden by the "usurper" Aegon 2.
Dreamfyre - Experience in war. Ridden by "dragon dreamer" Helaena.
Others:
Tessarion - young she - dragon. Ridden by prince Daeron.
Shrykos - young she - hatchling. Meant for Jaehaerys, Aegon 2 eldest son.
Morghul - Young hatchling. Meant for Jaehaera, Aegon 2 daughter.
And now, the Blacks' dragons:
Syrax - Ridden by the true queen Rhaenyra.
Caraxes - Blood wyrm. Ridden by King consort Daemon.
Meleys - Red queen. Ridden by "queen who should have been" Rhaenys.
Seasmoke - Unclaimed since "death" of Laenor.
Vermithor - Unclaimed since Old King Jaehaerys death.
Silverwing - Unclaimed since Good Queen Alysanne death.
Cannibal - Wild. Never go near him!!!
Grey Ghost - Wild. Shy bean.
Sheepstealer - Wild. Hence the name, loves sheep feasts.
Others:
Vermax - Young dragon. Ridden by Jacaerys Velaryon.
Arrax - Young dragon. Ridden by Lucerys Velaryon.
Tyraxes - Young dragon. Ridden by Joffrey Velaryon.
Moondancer - Young dragon. Ridden by Baela.
Stormcloud - Young hatchling. Meant for Aegon the younger.
@Ferdi Kılınç™🔥 Yes, Rhaenys and Corlys bend the knee /eventually/, but at the point in time during Rhaenyra's first war council, Lord Corlys had not gotten to Dragonstone and sworn his renewed loyalty to her as Queen. So when Daemon counted Meleys as one of their fighting dragons, Rhaenys gave him a sort of surprised look because she had not yet sworn to fight for Rhaenyra.
@Brandon Renner He wanted to see where she stood. He still didn't trust her. Plus, he's still pissed at her for not killing the enemy when she had the chance.
@@nissaniss4251 I see why he'd worry because she has no reason to back them, and that war wasn't hers to begin. She only left the way she did because she was locked away by the Green's. They're lucky Baela stopped her or else she nor Corlys would've assisted.
@Brandon Renner she and her husband are kin to Rhaenyra. No presumptions made. They will stand behind her.
There has never lived a Stark who forgot an oath!
And they never will
@@BlackDiamond2718 Robb stark...
@@kiyocheez314 not forgotten but broken.
@@BlackDiamond2718 it's the same he broke his oath with house frey, he died for breaking it
@@kiyocheez314 eh it was a few more factors but yes.
The way Daemon says "they have three adults by my count" really sold that dragons are a serious, grounded weapons in this world. They're not treating them like magical fantasy creatures, they're talking about them like they're nuclear bombs, which effectively they are. The blacks are taking the dragon threat seriously.
That being said, Syrax+Caraxes+Meleys =/= Vhagar+Dreamfyre+Sunfyre. Vhagar should not be lumped in with the other two like she isn't by FAR the most dangerous weapon in either arsenal.
And by the war standard, they really only have Sunfyre and Vhagar since Dreamfyre has never been ridden in combat (and won't given her rider soon will be in NO shape for fighting).
@@mst3KGf what are we, some kind of Blood and Cheese?
But yeah, most of the dragons are untested in battle, which Rhaenyra makes a note of. When you think about that, really the greens have Vhagar, and Dreamfyre (effectively riderless) and the blacks have Caraxes, Seasmoke, Vermithor (riderless), and Silvering (riderless). Pretty good odds, for now. I don't want to spoil anything for people who haven't read the book though.
Doesnt Ceraxes kick Vhagars ass tough, in the lore
@@jagermaster1758 Spoilers ahead:
No, they kill each other, Caraxes is faster manages to ambush the old slower Vhagar and fatally bite her neck but Vhagar rips off one of Caraxes wings and disembowels him with her claws. Both dragons die in the fight
meleys + rhaenys couldve killed vhagar if it was a 1v1 but it was vhagar and sunfyre against meleys and still she almost killed sunfyre and aegon
The six riderless dragons Daemon's talking about, for those a little confused:
Seasmoke - Laenor's old dragon, who saved Daemon's ass in E3.
Vermithor - The big dragon Daemon meets with later in the episode, the second largest dragon in Westeros after Vhagar and the dragon of King Jahaerys.
Silverwing - Vermithor's "mate", so to speak; the dragon of Queen Alysanne.
Sheepstealer - The first of the wild dragons, so named because of his favorite dinner entree.
Grey Ghost - The second wild dragon, so named because of his elusiveness and shyness around men.
The Cannibal - The third, oldest and most feared of the wild dragons, so named because he likes eating other dragons.
Isn't the Cannibal supposed to be the biggest. I've heard that he's just as big if not bigger than Balerion.
@@Wryvan No. The Cannibal is not anywhere near as big as Balerion or Vhagar or even Vermithor. He's just old and mysterious and thus given to numerous myths about him. The book mentions the smallfolk of Dragonstone say he was around before the Targaryens even came to the island, but the in-universe historians are rather dubious about the claim.
@@mst3KGf He is a wild very old dragon (perhaps even the oldest) so he might be the biggest.
@@musicsoul4037 He's not. The book even mentions at one point that after Vhagar bites the dust, Vermithor is the biggest dragon left alive.
@@musicsoul4037 well it’s not completely true. Dragons grow their all life this is sure, but not any dragon grow fast or large as others. It’s easy to find younger dragons that are larger than older dragons. Example; Dreamfyre was the dragon of Rhaena (Jaehaerys older sister) and was she who put Vermithor egg in Jaehaerys cradle; and yet now Vermithor is the second largest dragon after only Vhagar, even if Dreamfyre (now ride by Haelena) was older than him, she is smaller. But it’s true that Vermithor is younger only of a few years (he is near the 100 years), Sheepstealer it is said he born while Jaehaerys was young (so he might be around 55 or 60 years?!) while the Cannibal it is unknown, it is only said that he appear (not born) during the reign of Jaehaerys.
Just love how they're able to light up the carved table
Apparently Stannis forgot how to use the table at his stay at Dragonstone lol
@@luffy101311 The Baratheons never held Dragonstone in that sense. Neither did the Starks. And Dany never was taught by her Targ ancestors. The fact that the table could be lit was entirely forgotten. Yet another lost bit of knowledge from the Targ era.
@@writershard5065 Dawg im joking, i dont think Stannis would even care about the feature, hed probably think its tacky lol
stannis was too much of a cheapskate to buy new batteries
@@luffy101311 Naw Stannis loved fire and the Lord of Light. He would have for sure lit that table up.
It's amazing that the whole time, Stannis never knew he had LED lighting in his table 😍
So was Daenerys
😂😂😂😂
Love how daemon announced her. How she told the girls to come. You can see the appreciation within their smiles. As princess rhaenys.
It’s amazing how Rhaenyra is showing high wisdom skills as a Queen. Not irrational, cautious, decided, always open to hear but very analyzing if it is perjudicial. They all dismissed her as a princess when she was a teen, but nevertheless she is a class act.
….For now. GOT taught us you can win every battle yet still lose
@@matthewriley7826and that's why some people criticize Martin's books as misogynistic. Heroines like having Greek tragedy style in the end.
Very good point but once blood is drawn and lines are crossed by both sides just about everyone involved in this war is going to lose. Which I think is the point Martin made when writing this story that the targaryens are so strong only they could destroy themselves.
Well it also helps that she was the daughter to the king and has not only experience in politics through witnessing the inner workings of King's landing but perspective thanks to his father's life.
@@LeonardLuzon Except that his main books are not finished, men die and suffer tragedies there as well, and if you imply that Daenerys was a ''heroine'', you are ridiculous because she never was one, she was always authoritarian and power-hungry. Also his books accurately show the MEDIEVAL feudal states, it's not ''misogynistic'', it's realistic.
I love this scene for so many reasons.
That moment of silence when everyone has gathered around the table and looks and Rhaenyra is a great demonstration of what it means to be a respected leader. Everyone looks to you to head the ship and make the decisions.
The subtleties in the facial expressions and the actions.
The slow, deliberate placing of the pieces on the board to see where the lines are being drawn.
Such a great show.
I took the silent stares to be more about the anxiety of being for the first time in charge. Regardless of who you are and how these people feel about you, they are now all looking to you, like you said, to lead them. In Daemon's case, it's also to gauge if you'll stand up to him taking charge.
@phantom21ize
Yet she is the weakest person there. Even her maester has more pressence than she does.
@@Infernal460 Hey it’s her 1st day on the job.
@@Infernal460 i would disagree. She has a strong but subtle command of the room, an implied power that comes from her composure and thoughtfulness. Not quite Margret Thatcher, but still impressive.
I also think that moment of silence form rhaenyra is her absorbing the moment. She is now the queen no longer a princess. She is the ruler and the leader. And now she must lead.
I love how it seems like Daemon has been planning for this moment for a while. He already had a good strategy. Tbh he probably has been planning it for a while
He has probably been planning it as soon as Aegon II was born
@@samlasalle3853Just like how Otto been planning the coup against Rhaenyra for years. Two devious minds preparing for each other.
Same with the Greens and Otto unfortunately…
he is the type to run war games in his head while his brother builds models of old Valyria.
@@matthewriley7826 Daemon and Otto really are the same deep down, huh…
I just love that image of the little icon being placed on Winterfell and the sound design with it. It just adds "weight" to the situation and signaling how important Winterfell and the Starks will be in the war, especially with Jace.
House Stark rarely involve themselves in southron affairs but when they do, they usually end up being critical to whatever is happening. Lord Cregan ended the Dance by putting the remaining belligerents firmly in their place, Ned led the North to victory in Robert's Rebellion and Robb gave the Lannisters such a headache that they resorted to treachery to defeat him because he was unbeatable in battle.
@@samalvey8168 Yup, the Hour of the Wolf pretty much sealed the Dance.
Cregan first sent an army of 2000 but actually himself with his full force came down after dance was over already became hand for... I don't know how much but he cleaned the red keep from some turncloaks & traitors, was about to March on storms end old town casterly rock but was calmed down then he executed 2 sent a bunch to the wall got betrothed to a blackwood girl & went back north...
He played his part at the very end & dance was already over
@@laza0202 Cregan put a firm and final end to the Dance, is what I meant. Namely by intimidating everyone who might be tempted to continue fighting into shutting up.
@@laza0202 I'm sure they are going to make some changes and involve the Starks a little more because they are so popular.
I love how she looks at him when she steps to table & he completely understands because she never planned a war before
Imagine if Laena hadn't died and still rode Vhagar. The Greens wouldn't have lasted a week.
If Laena hadn't died there is no evidence that she and Daemon would have gotten involved in the war (at least in the show version), nothing would have stopped Aemond from falling back on Vermithor or Silverwing and the Greens would still have four powerful dragons to oppose but that isn't the main point. Is Vhagar a formidable weapon ? Yes. Would her absence from the side of the Greens have meant their defeat ? Not necessarily. Tessarion and Sunfyre are young but they are formidable dragons. Dreamfyre is one of the largest and most powerful dragons when the Dance breaks out. And anyway, the dragons are not the only parameter of the war. Did Dorne have dragons ? Did the Faith have dragons ? Did the Triarchy have dragons ? No, yet the three challenged and threatened the power of the Targaryens. And besides, if the Dance of the Dragons proves anything, it's that owning dragons is no guarantee of safety. It is impossible to predict what would have happened. When the Hightowers win the Battle of the Honeywine, the war seems won for the Greens. When Rhaenyra takes King's Landing, the war seems won for her. When Aegon kills Rhaenyra at Dragonstone, the war seems won for him. And yet, each time, unforeseen and unpredictable events reverse the situation. Aemond's mistakes, Tumbleton's betrayals, the sack of the Dragonpit, Aegon's grudge... no one could have foreseen all of this. On the other hand, what is certain is that in terms of gold, men, resources and influence, the Greens are superior.
@@alessiodandolo1460She definitely would've gotten involved as her own mother and brother are likely in the middle of it all. This gives the Black's Meleys, Caraxes, Syrax, Vermax, Arrax, Seasmoke, Vhagar and Moondancer to the Green's Sunfyre (who Rhaenys almost takes out on her own), a possible Vermithor and Tessarion. Along withh the Velaryon fleet.
Team Green would be fucked. Laena and Laenor changed the tide altogether.
People will also learn that size matters not, especially if you have an incompetent rider who think too much of himself.
@@janellejulianajoy I maintain that there is nothing to say with certainty that Laena and Daemon would have supported Rhaenyra: in this alternative scenario, Daemon is not Rhaenyra's consort and therefore has no particular interest in supporting her, and Laena could to be a serious pretender for the succession of Driftmark (more so than her daughters, who bear the Targaryen name, and who are still very young), given the bastardy of Rhaenyra's children. One could imagine a potential internal conflict among the Velaryons (which happens in the books, but without dragonriders as potential suitors). The Blacks could become seriously weakened in such a conflict, and it could even cause one faction to support the Greens over the Blacks (which happens with Vaemond and the Silent Five).
We could also imagine that Daemon, by predicting a bloodbath between the supporters of Rhaenyra and those of Aegon, prefers to remain neutral to pose as a potential successor after the war.
Now, you put Arrax, Vermax and Moondancer among the dragons ready to fight. However, it is clear that they are still very young and vulnerable dragons (Moondancer has never even been ridden when the Dance of Dragons breaks out).
You also talk about the importance of the dragonrider skill, but in this case you can already remove Rhaenyra and Syrax from the list. I remind you that she does not participate in a single fight during the Dance, and that she does not even show herself capable of defending the Dragonpit against peasants.
That leaves Meleys, Vhagar, Caraxes, Seasmoke, Vermax and Arrax for the Blacks against Vermithor (potentially), Sunfyre, Tessarion and Dreamfyre in the event that Daemon and Laena participate in the war. Certainly, I would say that in this case there is a slight advantage for the Blacks in terms of dragons, but not insurmountable for the Greens either.
As I said, dragons are an important parameter of war but if they were a miraculous weapon that ensures victory to whoever has the most, Dorne would have been conquered in a week, the Triarchy would never have stood up to Daemon and Corlys, the Faith would not have threatened the power of the Targaryens for years. War is not a simple equation with dragons. There are unforeseen events, riders can die, be prevented from going into battle (Haelaena or Rhaenyra for example), strategic errors can be made by one or the other. It's much more complex than an addition of dragons.
I remind you that after the capture of King's Landing, Rhaenyra sits on the Iron Throne, protected by six adult dragons, while the Greens are scattered, with a king missing, seriously injured and separated from his dragon, and only Tessarion and Vhagar ready to fight. However, a few months later, the Blacks no longer have a single dragon, and Rhaenyra ends up devoured by her brother's dragon. Considering the strengths of both sides six months earlier, who could have predicted it ?
The Greens have human, material and financial resources that the Blacks do not have, they have the support of the two richest and most powerful houses on the continent, they have thousands of men ready to be mobilized quickly, and above all, they are much better prepared for conflict than the Blacks. No, even if Laena had survived, you can't say they would have been "fucked"
*War Starts*
Harrenhall: “Ahhh shit, here we go again…”
The perks of being the biggest fortress in the middle of a big plain field and at the middle of the fucking continent.
Man i cant wait to see the riverlands in action, they carry the war for the blacks.
@@systemofafox6487 along with the aid of the north winter wolves
The Belgium of Westeros .
“Your cause owns a power that has not been seen since the days of old Valyria”- what a quote
Love the nod that the Starks have always been steadfast and loyal to their oaths.
3:16
Daemon: we have Syrax, Caraxes and Meleys.
Rhaenys: say what?
We all know that Rhaenys is omega happy to have a female queen, even if it isn't her.
Doesn’t seem like she’d have a problem, considering she almost started a war herself in the last episode
@@alexman378 No, she didn't almost start a war she basically let them know they fucked around and were about to find out. Locking her in her room wasn't the way to go with her.
@@janellejulianajoy Killing hundreds of civilians during the new King’s coronation is about as big a declaration of war as it gets.
I loved this episode and especially princess rhaenys. She didn't bend the knee, she didn't bow, she stood tall and proud of Rhaenyra!!!
I think you missed the point. She didn't bend because she didn't acknowledge her as Queen yet. She almost left with Baela and Rhaena as she had no intention of staying on Dragonstone. She nor Corlys wanted to deal with Rhaenyra or Daemon.
Thank Baela for that change of heart
she needed Corlys to join Rheanyra's side. She remembers that she was once a contender for the throne and didn't want to start the civil war herself, so despite being a Targaryen she didn't want to stake any claim or declare in her own name as this would damage Rheanyra's credibility. When Lord Corlys voluntarily bends the knee she instantly volunteers to patrol the Gullet herself.
Daemon also didn't kneel in front of Viserys until returning from the Stepstones, he loved his brother but was not going to embarrass himself as well.
@@janellejulianajoy No, you missed the point, it was her own and her husband's decision where to stand in this war. She has always been loyal to Rhaenyra, her granddaughters are engaged to Rhaenyra's sons, plus she knew and respected her late cousin's wishes.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849No it wasn't. Go back and rewatch. Corlys stayed because Rhaenys urged him to after she was urged by Baela (per deleted scene). Corlys wanted to leave, head to High Tide and spend time with their granddaughters, as did Rhaenys. He literally says this. Rhaenys stays his hand because she felt Rhaenyra showed restraint. Had Baela lowered her head and said yes, grandmother, I'll get Rhaena then we can go... they wouldn't have been there.
Those betrothal's could be broken quickly. Jace already breaks his unprovoked, why can't Rhaenys?
And Rhaenys loyal to Rhaenyra?! Since when. She couldn't stand Rhaenyra and it's obvious. So obvious I was a bit shocked that she didn't just push to remain neutral. She believed for years that Rhaenyra and Daemon killed Laenor. She somewhat blames Rhaenyra's husband, for Laena's death, since she wanted to head home to Westeros and Daemon refused. Daemon and Rhaenyra then marry not 48 hrs after the death of Laenor and 72 hours after Laena's memorial service. I don't think disrespectful is a strong enough word...I'll go with insensitive and trifling. Why do you think Rhaenyra was scared, used Rhaena as a buffer and threw out the idea of a betrothal of her sons to Daemon's daughters. That was a hail mary pass. Would you fear the testimony of someone loyal to you?
Rhaenys had no love for either one of them. Were she able to get Rhaena along with Baela, she'd clearly would've said fuck you all. Rhaenys loved Viserys...the rest could go to hell...or heaven....I don't think she gave a shit which.
@@janellejulianajoywhat’s crazy is how yall think she can just take baela & rhaena cause she’s their grandma like tf that’s funny 😂😂 yall forget daemon is their FATHER & despite baela being rhaenys ward, daemon isn’t going to allow him daughters to just be taken away from him just because rhaenys or corlys don’t like them those are HIS kids he’s SOLELY responsible for their upkeep & wellbeing, rhaenys & corlys can love them as much as they want, the fact of the matter is! That unless they were about to comit kidnapping & treason! They were not & could not take baela nor rhaena back to driftmark without proper consent from daemon & daemon knowing his daughter is a dragonrider & would likely want to be apart of the war as she loves & highly respect Rhaenyra & so does rhaena, he wouldn’t allow them to be taken by their grandparents
Just the fact they already changed the sigil to a green dragon is proof enough that at this point, the Targaryens have to worry about the Hightowers. If this would go on unresponded to for much longer, it wouldn't take forever for the Targaryens to be replaced as ruling house by another.
Such events always start small, like with the chance of a banner.
It's tragic and incredibly stupid, but war has been inevitable since Aegon II was born.
I **really** hope they show it wasn't quite so clear-cut on the Greens' side; the whole of the Reach will split over the matter- the Tyrells (& many of their banners) remain neutral for most of the war - Hell, even the Hightowers' _own banners_ are split: big shock; the Beesburys aren't keen to serve the people that murdered a loyal old man of their house (& member of the Small Council, to boot).
There's also the complicated intermingled politics **within** House Hightower itself; I really hope they don't cut a certain Lady who married into the Hightowers, who has family on the other side- & her complicated relationships...
That was actually a change made by the show. In the book they changed it to a golden dragon to honour Sunfyre, Aegon's dragon and said to be the most beatiful ever. They change it though, to differentiate one side from the other, and Rhaenyra also changes her banner for that same reason.
Some think that the color green is a better choice, but me personally I would prefer to remain golden as it transmits that feeling you say about the Hightowers controlling House Targaryen
@@polcastellsgonyalons8267 I see. Personally I like Syrax' design to be most aesthetically pleasing so far, but then again we haven't seen quite a few properly yet.
I dont think they changed the banner in green. It is still golden as the banner in awgonz coronation. They just called a green banner to say that the banner belonged to the side of the greenz.
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As for as I can recall, Rhaenyra changes her banners too and adds the Arryn sigil into her banner.
So does that mean the Arryns are a threat to the Targaryens ??
"We can have every green head on a spike before the fucking moon turns" MAN!!!!!!!!! my man was ready to go for war.
Rhaenyra senses The Rogue Prince, Daemon's blood lust throughout this whole scene. I wonder how many times she will calm him down or attempt to in the following seasons, she will see first hand what Viserys had to deal with.
She will see far worse than what Viserys had to deal with.
Daemon is actually very useful for people like Viserys and Rhaenyra cos hes a loyal and powerful weapon.
They however are both kind hearted and they know what Daemon will do to other people so they do not take advantage of the situation like many others would.
No dude Daemon is the best thing the blacks have going for them in war. He is the most competent and fierce threat to the greens.
Daemon is straight badass. Does not hesitate in his plans or actions.
Exactly why Rhaenyra was unfit for ruling, even more so after she married Daemon. The entire Realm knew that the only thing Daemon yearned for was conflict and war.
@@bcf1237 In this scene she is the weakest person in the room. Even her Maester has more presence than she does.
@@bcf1237 That’s absolutely not true, Daemon just knew what way too many seem not to, which is that getting there first, matters. They wasted a lot of time talking about restraint and peace, when “peace” to the other side meant the extermination of theirs.
@@alexman378 And peace for the other side meant extinction for them also. Rhaenyra was practically sheltered by her father from all criticism, even going as far as to jail if not kill people who spoke ill of her. Had Rhaenyra not tried to usurp the throne, she and her bastards would be in relative safety thanks of Alicent finally growing a spine and managing to confront Otto, however the same could not be said if Aegon hadn't been crowned as Rhaenyra quite literally wanted Aemond to be tortured AFTER her children took his eye.
@@bcf1237 the show is clearly making the blacks the good guys
The bad guys will be the greens
One of my issues with the show
Grrm is clearly using it to change things because he never expected a chance to do so, but uses the "maesters weren't accurate" excuse even though the winners write history
She did the right thing having her stepdaughters join the council they both play important roles in the dance of the dragons.
Until they aren’t when they are locked on dragonstone
Finally, a mention of House Celtigar!
Happy celtigar noises 🦀
Not just a mention; I think the old lord who talks about using dragons here actually is Bartimos Celtigar, the current head of the house. The guy gets a...rather unpleasant fate late in the story.
🦀🦀🦀
House celtigar new motto
Reject humanity, return to crabs.
hopefully we see that axe
I love that Rhaenyra included her sons and stepdaughters, all of whom were teenagers. Maybe not to involve them in the plan, but to teach and guide them how these things are done. Since she grew up as an only child, she was always more mature than her age and wanted to be involved in the adults’ affairs, but was also shunned and turned down for being too young. She definitely didn’t want to neglect her children and stepchildren like she was. Great detail from the writers.
So this whole time, Danaerys didn’t know how to turn her Westeros table on? 😂
Nor did Stannis, apparently.
@@envinyatar5712 Well The Targaryens were kicked out of the place in an unjustified Usupration of the Imp.. Iron Throne, Only Aerys should have died and Aegon VI made King
@@sadiqahmed4143when you rule with "Fire and Blood" the only justification you need is force. Dont get sore when you lose though.
"None of our dragons have been to war"
Caraxes and Seasmoke both went to war in the Stepstones, no?
Queen Rhaenyra was talking of the others. In particular her own and the childrens. Syrax, her own, never been ridden in war. Vermax, Arrax, and Tyraxes. Her sons own dragons, old enough to ride and to fight, but far from fully grown. Baela's own dragon Moondancer too. A hatchling. Finishing off the blacks current dragons are Daemons dragon Caraxes the Bloodwyrm. A dragon that has fought in battle and war for the stepstones. Lastly, one of the largest dragons the Blacks have currently is Meleys. The Red queen. A large and powerful dragon to be sure. One of the oldest. but not as old as Vhagar. And never ridden in war, neither by Princess Rhaenys, nor her previous Rider Alyssa targaryen.
So, four of those blacks dragons are tiny compared to the greens own dragons.
The greens dragons are such. Vhagar, the oldest and most powerful of the dragons. Theoretically worth any other two dragons in the world. A truly ancient beast that was centre stage in Aegons conquest. The Aegon and Helaena each have their own dragons. Sunfyre and dreamfyre. Both fully grown. Roughly of age and similiar power to Syrax. Lastly the fourth Green dragon Daemon mentions we can assume to be Shrykos. The bonded dragon of Aegons eldest son Jaehaerys, yet not yet ridden.
Seasmoke meanwhile, while not a wild dragon is currently riderless. As is both Silverwing and Vermithor. All three are powerful dragons that have been to war. But, well, again. Riderless.
The last 3 remaining dragons are Sheepstealer. A wild dragon, that's never been ridden. Grey Ghost. A wild dragon that is particularly shy of humans and named such for how it avoids people like a ghost. and the last is The Cannibal. A horrible beast that attacks other dragons, particularly hatchlings and even tries to steal and eat eggs. None of those three have ever been ridden or gone to war that we know of.
So, Rhaenyra is quite correct when she says that of the current riders, none of their dragons have ever been to war. Most of the current riders are also notably riding young dragons and are children or barely adults themselves.
In fact, Caraxes and Meleys have both been to war decades before the Dance of the Dragons.
@@CCEkeke That's interesting. I didn't know that. Which war?
@@edwardbailey2570 The 4th Dornish War.
@@CCEkeke Ceraxes took part in the 4th Dornish War with Verminthor and Vhagar, but Meleys didn't.
King Jaeherys with Vermithor , Prince Aemon ( Son of Jaehaerys I ) with Ceraxes, and Prince baelon with Vhagar.
Even tho she rules, Daemon commands. I think that’s a natural relationship dynamic in a household. A worthy king consort.
House Stark will indeed stand with the true queen.
As long as they don't act as stupid a Rob, Ned and Catelyn Stark acted.
@@AutumnExplorer There's very little chance of that. Cregan Stark is presently in charge in the North and he's quickly going to establish himself as an all-around badass.
@@AutumnExplorer ned didn't act stupidly per se, he acted as his honour, virtue and integrity bid him to. His opponents were underhanded, devious, conniving snakes that got the better of him.
@@fjorgyn7438 Having honor around snakes and maintaining said honor isn't very smart and to be honest Ned ready to die and not giving two shits about his daughter pissed me off too. You'd think he'd sent them away as soon as he learned the truth, but instead he confronts Cersei about her deceit like a dumbass.
Rob Stark was young man playing a veteran's game and fell in love with a stunning women during a war breaking his vow to a powerful man that helped him and actually thought it was a good idea to appear in person to the same person he broke his vow to. He also forced his uncle to take his spot marrying the powerful man's daughter because he fell in love, very foolish as well.
@@AutumnExplorer they were stuck in the capital surrounded by enemies whom he thought were friends, if not steady acquaintances. Where could he have sent his daughters? He wasn't ready to die, that's just plain horseshit. You have a very low opinion of Ned and I just can't relate.
Love how she just silently commands her guards to heel.
0:18 - man, I love Rhaenys so much ...
I love it when Daemon states that they have Meleys, Rhaenys tilt's her head like "really"? :D
I didn't like how Rhaenyra noted that "none of our dragons have been to war" while Caraxes, Seasmoke and Meleys (in my opinion) ought to have been to war in the Stepstones
She was referring to her and her son’s dragons obviously cmon it’s basic context clues
@@mamaslillele she literally said "none of our dragons have been to war" and that's just not true chill tf out
I think she was referring to her dragon along with her sons and Baela's. At this point Rhaenys hadn't pledged to fight for her so that leaves Caraxes only.
Daemon Targaryen, a dark and charismatic warrior, undertakes a transformative journey. Initially cold, he later embraces love for his brother and family, emerging as a true and admirable character, making him the season's standout.
Daemon: "...Meleys"
Rhaenys: uhhh whut?
She’s like “excuse me?”
Bro Daemon is the most proactive mf on earth when it comes to violence 😂
Maybe it's just me but this scene alone has better writing than the last season of GoT.
It does. They learned from their mistakes.
@@hevnervalsno, they just got better script guys
@@JiraTheFreak Yeah which they did based on experience, aka learning.
@@hevnervals true
they have better scripts and the dance of dragon history was finished by George RR Martin so they have good source material to work with. D&D had to freestyle game of thrones after the books stopped, hence why the quality took a nosedive.
Stannis: ohhhhh so that’s what the switch at the underside of the table was for 🤔
snow: i told her to push the switch😂
This is my favorite scene of the first season. Daemon has clearly been waiting his entire life for a war... a challenge... that could interest him, and he is firing on all cylinders to win it.
Stannis forgot to turn the lights on the table LOL.
I like that it actually makes sense that he wouldn't have known, they just killed all the targaryen's so there was nobody to tell Stannis "check this shit out dude"
@@KrikZ32 lol
@@KrikZ32 surely some servants would have been alive, Dragonstone surrendered to Stannis when he took it from the Targaryens.
Stannis crying about the table
She was a very good to add her stepdaughters into the war council as well.
Can't imagine the pressure of having all those people staring at you, expecting you to just know what to do and lead them right, all while being the first ever female ruler and what that implies
Funniest part in this is Rhaenyra trying to bring up the Vhagar shaped elephant in the room and when Daemon's response is to suggest Cannibal she looks at him like hes lost his mind
Loved that queens guard stamping that stark loyalty
I absolutely love this part for so many reasons. (Forgive my misspelling) Reahnera including her nieces is just so powerful like the age of the lady dragon is upon us its time the women sat at the table of war! Then there is Daemon, just so ready to win the throne for his love even with little defenses and attack power he is ready to kill the entire green family and their supporters! Ahhhh God I can't say enough about this whole scene it is just absolutely brilliant!!
The shot of daemon grabbing his sword is elite!
I find it interesting that while rhaenys does lose baela actually gets some revenge against aegon for her death she and moondancer literally destroy sunfyres ability to ever fly again.
Sunfyre was already heavily injuried when he fought Moondancer and still won.
Moondancer was a baby dragon tho. It’s a shame that weak ahh dragon couldn’t hold its own against moondancer
@@ralphdadon3026 Sunfyre was already extremely if not mortally wounded by the time he fought moondancer and he still managed to kill Moondancer and capture Baela.
love that stark line...
They got every cool house, the only way they possibly lose is if Rhagar is the main asset being used by the Greens
Daemon was honestly right. The moment they crowned Aegon behind their backs war was declared. When Otto arrived they should have slain them all and commendered the vessel then once Corlys arrived sieged Kings Landing with 13 damn dragons and a fleet. Vhagar is big but she's old. She'd succumb to numbers and assaults from below plus Aemond can't control her. They likely would not have risked the new "King" on Sunfyre and Healena is utterly useless as a dragonrider, she would get blown out of the sky. Had Rhenerya struck hard, organized and fast they'd have decimated the Greens before foreign armies of men had time to mobilize. She needed to be Aegon the First here. Not Viserys.
I agree. Vermithor himself is already a warrior. They should strike fast, not give them so much time to get alliances.
that war table was absolute badass...almost as much as Daemons speech..." i'd rather feed my sons to the dragons than carry shields and cups for your drunken usurper c**t for a king"
Daemon: "They have three dragons."
Prince Daeron and Tessarion: "Are we a freaking joke to you?"
Daemon: "Yes."
And yet, Tessarion will conquer the Reach and will be far more useful than Caraxes !
@@alessiodandolo1460 yup
And Caraxes only flew over Harrenhal and some areas of Riverlands
@@alessiodandolo1460 Remember Caraxes takes out the biggest threat against them, though he does this at the expense of his own life.
He mentioned 3 adults, but at the end he also says "Dragon Stone has 13 to their 4 (3+1)" I'm assuming he included Tessarion which is not an adult dragon
@@AshKetchum-bf9zu Yes but Tessarion is actually an adult. A young one, but big enough to win a battle by herself. Sunfyre is not so much bigger...
Thanks for the English subtitles
Man we need to build reputation for ourselves like the starks.
They have the greatest reputation in the series. You know what you're not going to get with them. It is what it is. Lol.
I love how Daemon mentioned “Meleys” yet Rhaenys is giving him a look like “say what?” Because she hasn’t pledged her dragon yet XD
I really want a table like that now
Kind of annoyed they didn't mention the Tyrells and Greyjoys, particularly given the role Dalton Greyjoy will play wreaking havoc on the Westerlands at Rhaenyra's behest...
For example:
Rhaenyra: What of Highgarden and Pyke?
Daemon: The Lord of House Tyrell is still shitting his swaddling clothes, and his mother won't dare risking his safety by opposing Otto. The Greens will likely also try to court the Greyjoys: if Lord Corlys sides with us, the ironborn are his only hope of matching the Velaryon fleet. Dalton Greyjoy, Lord of the Iron Islands, however, is sixteen, and cares only for battle and plunder. Appeal to his love for both and the Red Kraken may choose black over green.
The Tyrells are led by a baby and his mother, who had already declared for no one (and sent ravens to that effect). As far as the blacks and greens know Dalton hasn't cemented his position yet. In the book Daemon does suggest that they ask Dalton to join, if only to use him against the Lannister fleet (who are mentioned).
Dalton actually waited for an offer from the blacks, as the greens offered him to make him master of ships.
He basically didn't alter the main series of events much as the blacks only asked him to raid the west coast and keep the Lannisters from using their navy.
He also laughed when the whole thing kicked off (probably in celebration as he now had a chance to bring back the old ways)
“Hi yes I’d like dining table, how good is your lighting?”
My Queen, we've brought RGB lights for the council table.
Daemon forever battle ready. It amazing how his mind works
Its kind of funny how all of her guards kind of step forward then she's like no what are you doing? Did they all just collectively kind of mis-step or something?
BOOK SPOILERS:
In episode 6, Laena talks to Rhaena about how there are multiple ways to get a dragon and talks about claiming Vhagar. Now in this scene, you can see the camera cut to every dragonrider as their dragon gets mentioned. It cuts to Rhaena when Daemon mentions that Vermithor and Silverwing are still riderless. I think the show is setting up a change from the books where Rhaena claims a dragon instead of hatching Morning (who is never really relevant in the Dance because is a baby). Maybe she'll claim Silverwing and the two betrayers will get "condensed" into one character. GoT did that with the multiple Tyrells being condensed into just Loras. Or maybe she'll claim Sea Smoke or any of the others.
I hope they keep it the same she claims Morning later on and becomes the last dragon rider of House Targaryen until Daenerys.
@@janellejulianajoy doesn't morning die before she is too big to ride?
That's a cool table but it looks like if you touch it you're gonna burn the hell out of your palms
There has never lived a Stark who forgot an oath and with House Stark the North will follow
Until Robb Stark the oathbreaker and King Who Lost the North 💀
Daemon here is why Viserys should have had him as Hand of the King. More wise, tactical and when comes to family on point.
There it is boys, the Celtigars. Crab Rave
i like how rhaenys looks at daemom after counting meleys as one of theirs
Im in love with demon reaction when he knows the green team comes, its a reaction for a soldier 🤩🤩🫶
Four adults, Daemon. The Greens have FOUR adults.
He forgot about Tessarion.
They actually have 3 “Adult” Dragons, Tessarion is still very young just like her rider, she wouldn’t be considered an adult as of yet.
If you listen later in the scene Daemon says *”We have 13 against their 4”* so Tessarion is mentioned, she’s just not as big of a threat as the three adults in Sunfyre, Vhagar and Dreamfyre.
I wish i could be as proactive as Daemon with my chores.
The Lannisters are always a pain in the ass! 😂
What is the music you used at the end of the clip? Is that the dali larma plug in?
Daemon is like that one active monitor in the class.
No one told me it glows in the dark.
Stannis never knew. 😮
Daemon’s such a badass
It be nice if daemon visits the iron islands to ask them to attack the lannisters.
YES! I *want* to see the Red Kraken - Dalton Greyjoy, like so many of the faction leaders was remarkably young- it's still a trip to me that he was only in his late teens when he died.
@@OcarinaSapphr- Dude had bastard kids by the time he was 14. He's going to make the Lannisters' lives a living hell in the war.
On the table you just see dread, the fort part was cut off. I would love to see some more Boltons!
This is what makes game of thrones world great
Daemon is decisive and a brilliant commander.
Why didn't Daenerys light up the table like this? They used to make plans on dark table in dark room 😂
I know right, it would have looked so cool if Dany did that ☝️😁😎
I love how daemon took charge for his wife & queen like he knew as far as actually planning a war, she wasn’t knowledgeable about it & as soon as she asked he basically said “it’s okay my love, I can brief everyone about the details, you just listen & make sure you like what you hear” he cares about her in ways beyond our cliche love languages he literally does what he knows she cannot & especially seeing as they both lost a brother & father & their babygirl, he just took charge like a father & husband should! ❤❤❤ I feel like he groomed her but mostly was looking out for her in the beginning because he didn’t want her marrying someone he knew would bore her or mistreat or neglect her & I know it’s wrong but when u understand it from that perspective even with the age gap it just makes him her better suitor because he finds her attractive but he’s definitely not trying COMPLETELY use or seduce her he actually watches her back & consoled her when he can & he shows more love & compassion than any groomer I’ve seen trying to groom any female like idk he’s just so human like still
I absolutely love how ready daemon was with his report of their men but also the honestly that as a conquering force the blacks are very much lacking. It’s good to have honest leaders so you know where your weaknesses are.
Baela is just smoking gorgeous.
Bit frustrating they made Aegon II's sigil a green dragon. Bit of a simplification from his gold dragon in referance to his mount, though for some reason Sunfyre, a gleaming golden dragon that breathed golden fire and was regarded as the most beautiful dragon, has not appeared yet. The bond between Aegon and Sunfyre is meant to be close, and Sunfyre is a very important dragon, and yet he hasn't appeared and Aegon just uses a green dragon as his sigil, which I guess is a nod to the beacon on the Hightower but everything being simplified can do harm. Such as so many houses not appearing in GoT when they were of great importance, and now showing up in HotD with no context to them.
I’m thinking it’s green because he is overpowered rn by his mother and grandfather. I feel like once he takes the reigns completely (after two key events ie kids and the hand) of the war he will change it to “suit him” when he comes into his own. Thoughts?
We'll see that beauty next season.
His sigil will be a gold dragon. I personally think they need to make it a gold dragon on a green field instead of black.
From set leaks we’ve seen a gold dragon on a dark green field. I think the green dragon was just ottos personal sigil
None of our dragons have been to war
Caraxas from the step stones: am I joke to you?
That map is beautiful
Eh. Just get a Greyjoy fleet with some dragon killing weapons. Roll credits.
Also, bank on the fact that Aegon will kinda forget about that fleet.
Daemon says the greens have 3 dragons
Then he says they have 13 to there 4
( I wish we would have seen or had mention of Daeron)
I thought Daemon would mention the dragonseeds when Rhae asked him who would ride the numerous riderless dragons in Dragonstone
If Erryk didn't intervene he would probably say something about the dragonseeds because clearly he has a plan, he tries to calm Vermithor to take a new rider and those other dragons will have riders as well he must be aware of the dragonseeds
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The dragonseeds were one of the worst ideas he could have ever come up with it. They proved to be one of the blacks biggest liabilities.
The dragonseeds were Jace's idea, not Daemon's.
I want that table
As the show is not going forward exactly as the books , so there could be chances that rhena will also be able to claim a big dragon . Just got a felling as daemon told about the vermithor and silverwing and then said still riderless, they show rhena. And 1+1=2 so.
Rhaena will have own dragon, Morning and she will be one of the last dragons in the Seven Kingdoms, according to the book
@@user-zb5qb2fq2j Yes, but they made a point in the episode that when Daemon mentioned there are some unclaimed dragons, the camera immediately cut to Rhaena. I think this is foreshadowing that she'll claim one of these dragons next season. The show hasn't followed the book beat for beat (i.e. Laenor Velaryon), so there's definitely a chance of that happening
Rhaena'a dragon is currently a hatchling.
@@josephwantock1993 she can try to claim one of them, but that doesn't mean they'll accept her, just as Vhagar may not have, despite her previous rider being Rhaena's mother, Laena.
@@user-zb5qb2fq2j I hope they keep this. The girl grappling with acceptance at not having a dragon becomes the last dragon rider until Daenerys.