Modern Release Vs Old School Release - Golf Swing Tips - DWG
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Modern Release Vs Old School Release - Golf Swing Tips - DWG
The modern pros of today swing the club very differently to their counterparts from 20 years ago. One swing released the club with the hands and the other used the body to control the club. Which is better, what are the benefits of each? Let's have a look.
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After this video I went out and shot a 67! I hope the back 9 is better,
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Off all the videos you produced this one works best for me in understanding the proper swing sequence. Well done Dan Iâll keep this one for future reference đ€
This felt very strange at first but man, after about an hour of those small practice swings keeping the butt of the club more upright and less "flippy" made a HUGE difference. Thanks Dan!
Best explanation of the modern release. Thank you for sharing. I love this no b.s. consise and easy to understand and apply. Simply brilliant Dan!
The idea that its a modern release is just stupid. Funny i guess guys like Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus just had some willy nilly release and never turned left in the golf swing when they played back 27- 60 years ago. Just calling something modern doesnt make it modern. Annika Sorenstam turned left more noticably than anybody and she did it in 1993. Maybe she traveled forward in time and took this modern golf break through back to the early 1990's.
Really fitted in well with your single axis vs double axis vid of a couple days ago. Great Vid!
Very good and clear instructions on release !Thank you very much
Dan best explanation Iâve seen in a long time on this subject. Thanks
Agreed. This gives validation to exactly what I was working on. I had a mixed version of both swings but now I know what to focus on. Well done, Dan.
Another great video, you helped me tremendously with all your videos.
One of the best videos on the subject. Thanks, Dan!
dan, this is very good. i've been working on the pivot driven swing for a couple of years and when it's working good i have real good control and decent distance but i can't always keep it going, always working on it. i'm gonna check out some more of your videos. thnx so much for the help, i'm 73 yrs old and 12 hdcp.
Great video Dan. Been trying to get this release for a better part of this season.
great video dan!!! thanks for sharing
Well said, and well demonstrated. This is truly "today's" golf swing.
Your best video Dan!
Great video Dan and fantastic explanation of the body swing v arm swing. Iâve come back to golf after a 10 year rest and using the body rotation swing,leaving the hands and arms completely out of it. Iâm getting much more consistency this way. The wristy hands swing will give a bit more distance but isnt very reliable under pressure and is difficult to replicate over a full round.Thereâs a reason the top pros donât swing like that these days.They are all rotation and sawn off finishes,hence more consistency and accuracy.
Very interesting video! When I learnt to play, some 55 years ago..., it was indeed all about "good hands". Also, nowadays they all finish with a straight left leg, whereas we were "sliding" our legs towards the target. I have tried to change it, but I have given up. I'm just a regular hcp 9 weekend player, not an athlete...........So I keep plodding around with my old swing. But I'm going to try out this modern release, just for the hack of it. Thanks for the video!
Great explanation, many thanks
Nice video, Im a 1970's era taught player whos never changed. I did attempt to change to a modern style swing from around 2008 til 2017, but it was the worst golf I ever played. You have explained the differences great thanks again and keep it up.
i think i'm in the same boat. 48 years old and my various parts just don't want to sequence together like they should. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks
Good stuff here. Iâve always been a handsy player. It gives me speed, but also lots of two way misses. This will help me work on a new technique. đ
A unique video, thank you
Great video dan đđđ
Really good stuff this Dan đđ
good drills and indicator displayed, I will work on it accordingly.
Great explanation and demonstration - thank you.
Better player lesson. Great to see for a change. Thanks!
Great explanation of a topic thatâs not discussed much but makes a big difference đđ»
brilliant, Dan...
Dan, I needed this video. Thank you
Just discovered this channel and I'm liking the very detailed explanation of the golf swing
Thanks Robby
Another worthwhile and interesting video for students of the golf swing to consider and absorb. My own thoughts on this are pretty much the same, in that I played the game with this modern technique all my golfing years - long before it was labelled 'modern' as in Dan's video. I was self-taught using Ben Hogan's five modern fundamentals. I copied much of his technique to the best of my ability (except, NOT the left wrist pronation on the back swing - an aberration rooted in the limitations of the equipment he played with). What Hogan demonstrated was a squaring-off technique by rotating the body. Coupled with holding-off the club lag to the very last moment, Hogan was almost aiming to 'release' after and beyond impact, i.e. no flipping of the hands. Plenty of video showing Hogan doing this; and he was doing this in the 1950s.
Curiously, if you look at CZcams swing analysis of Koepka and Johnson, they look really similar to Hogan from the delivery through impact and the eventual 'release to finish'.
For this guy to say that turning or swing left wasnt taught during the 90's and that its the modern idea about a square club face is just nonsense.Calling it "modern' is just a way to brand the information because who would want out dated info. The reality is the only people that believe its modern are people who didnt play golf when it was the modern idea in the 90's. Just like the rest of media truth and reality arent as appealing as a brand new shiny get good at golf in 2 weeks super tip.
Terrific Dan! Thanks so much.Regards Ian
Great video, subscribed, thanks!
Started playing golf in the mid-70âs, where I learned to shove my knees towards the target and roll my hands at impact. Seems part of swing DNA, now.
I know... difficult to rid of bad habits. The modern swing is straighter and more reliable removing all the problems with timing.
Brilliant explanation
So good thanks.
Double edge sword for me. Iâm 54 and self taught, started classical but recently the last several years began the modern in which made me a 4 handicap. I have always been athletic and a excellent basketball player in my young days but old age will catch up with your spine and joints as well as my arthritis problems that has injured my back with the modern swing. Staying fit and working out is key if you want to follow the modern swing, otherwise, like myself Iâm forced to go back with the old style and sacrifice a little of my game. Great teaching and explanation by the way. Job well done!
Awesome explanation
Excellent video Dan!!! Just been to the range to work on this and actually started to hit a little draw with the swing thoughts you suggest!!
I stopped playing in 2002 and was a 4handicapper, started playing again in the last 3 months and this battle between old and new swing is really perplexing. I always tried to copy faldos swing, but always battled against my body "doing the work". Now it seems I have to let my body do its thing, and stop the hands. Statement about missi6left and right due to hand action rings very loudly for me! Big push right is my standard miss, and that's when I get the hips and shoulders unwinding hard and fast, and sounds like my hands cant keep up! Found this series of videos really useful đđ»thanks
Matt Carr check out golfletics video on eliminating the stall and youâll better understand how to make the rotational swing work
almost same story, I was a 8 handicap an stopped playing 13 years ago, 3 months ago, I took it up again, I'll be 70 next year so the body doesn't quite respond like it used to and the new swing videos are different than what I'm used to, but I think, for me, at my age, it is easier on the body and the timing..
I believe Jesper Parnevik has a similar swing from 20+ yrs ago. 3/4 swing with a short follow through. Kept the ball low and on line. Worked great with 6i - wedges.
Brilliant!!!
Dan a great vid with really helpful content. You have linked the modern game to athletes and Iâm sure most watches would not fall into that category. So what advice to those who may not have the core strength and ability to separate their hips to create the reactive motion and function of the turn through with the upper body as the elite players do so well now...as you say, the modern swing?
Really insightful
Good show. This is very much Peter Finch's golf swing. Yes? I also think there's a third way: if I turn my right knee toward the ball, my body & hands get close to the ball & I just punch out with my right forearm to get a dead straight, powerful shot. Dan, have you seen that technique before?
Very good sir
Great video Dan. What I especially love is the "if you miss left do this, miss right do this". Love it
Good stuff, canât wait for the weather to cooperate!
Just learning how to golf recently. I can't seem to correct a chicken wing swing. I think this will help with my release. Thank you, Dan!
You have made me realise I need to slow my arm swing down as my body isnt fast enough during downswing to catch up, thanks Dan!
Dan, That was a great explanation. My confusion is over. The confusion of hearing the various forms of instruction that was different from how I was taught... but not realizing it.
I was taught to release the wrist. Iâve always had bad misses left and right, but I could hit it long with a tremendous amount of spin.
This newer technique appears to deliver more consistent/tighter âdirectionâ when mistakes are made due to the slowing of the face turning over.
I have struggled with back issues since I was 17 from a herniated disc. Iâm 50 now and the back is tighter than ever from the injury, other health issues and getting older. I believe this new technique might be beneficial to my back and enable me to play golf longer and more often.
I will begin my transformation this afternoon.
Thanks Dan.
Excellent news, great to hear it
squint0269 if youâre interested in keeping your back safe you should check out my coaches video on a rotational swing that is safe for your back it changed my world. Mr Whitaker should check it out as well it might be information that could save some students down the road.
Nice touch mentioning Collin Morikawa in the same league as DJ and Brooks considering this was recorded a year ago.
I was looking for this explanation for a long time now. I stopped playing golf 15 years ago because of lower back issues, my Dr asked me when is my back sore, I said after playing golf, he said stop playing golf and I did. I am playing again for 9 months and it was great until a month ago when the pain started again after a weekend game. It is very clear to me now that my lower body stopped rotating and I am swinging against it with my arms, thus the all of a sudden left and right shots. I am going to work on this body rotation as I already understand the "flat" wrist at impact if this makes sense, thank you.
This all sound brilliant, just one point though, when I keep my right wrist in this angle I think I am gripping the club too tight.
Dan, Its called a modern swing today but David Duval has been using this swing throughout his career. TV announcers even commented that he can swing with his body inside a barrel because there are no lateral movements to his hips.
Thank you
You learn more by seeing then by listening !!
Great video Dan, the old school swingers were more upright, as aposed to the modern day golfer could you do a video on that or is that covering the same ground cheers Peter
Thank you...
Nice video again Dan. Keep up the great work. âłïž
Great instruction. A comic book realization light bulb lighted up above my head as he demonstrated the swing. Best golf video I've seen in the past 6 weeks!
Works for tour players, sadly I have to make a living sitting on my back side for half the day , so my body is not tuned like tour players, I lose too much speed personally.
However my old school release always misses the right side of the course , so cant agree on the 2 way miss personally .
The most important feature of modern release is on how we use the wrists to roll the club.
We change the relative position (upper/lower, front/back)and the wrists angeles(close/open) to create power. The palms are thought as barrier for the wrists, so we cock the hands somewhere in backswing then keep the hands cocked as long as possible just like a baseball pitcher or Roger Federer for a powerful draw.
Old release style use the palms and gravity to create power. They release the cocked hands first, and the left wrist soon become a barrier to the palm, so the left wrist have to back off to give ways.
Hi Dan, new to golf and this video has helped alot, can I take this swing into any club? Including the driver?
Great vid Dan, Iâve worked really hard to change this as I grew up playing in the 80s. Definitely the way to go. đđđ
Good overview, better than anything I've heard, broadly it's correct, specifically it's wrong. The first swing can be fully optimised once you learn how to correctly release the clubhead- the 2nd one can't, there is built in variability in delivery of the clubhead with this release that's just my view.
Yea I agree with you. We could be wrong but this swing feels extraordinarily unnatural to me and I feel like I have to really jerk my body just to get power and get through the ball. Where as the other way I can generate speed with a flick and Iâve gotten pretty good at controlling the direction regardless of how much power I put into it. I started running into problems when I didnât know they were two totally separate swings and I was trying elements from each swing and it just didnât work obviously. Knowing this now, I think Iâll stick with what Iâm good at which is an unconscious reactionary release swing. I am able to get my head down and watch my club get through the ball on the line I want.
Brilliant explanation Dan...thanks! More of the same please.
Ben Hogan was the best at the modern day release. Watch his swing videos..way ahead of his time!
I'm not sure but he may have been the first high level player to do this. He's the first one I see exiting left in all the swings I've studied. Thank goodness he needed to control that hook lol
@@robsaxepga me too. I found Gary Player also swing in the same way as Ben Hogan, but Gary still alive at more than 90, so he could not be the first.
Both are "mini" player with 170cm height and 65kg weight, so they had to yield a more efficient and powerful way to swing for surviving in the PGA tour.
I think I'm doing the modern release on my 8 o'clock pitch shots but the old school release on everything else. My 8 o'clock pitch shots have a different feel and is my most accurate part of my game.
Using the modern release method that Dan speaks about above I find that I have a tendency to lift up off the ball, come off it as some people say. Going back to the Old School Release method Im finding that this helps me "stay down" on the shots. Does anyone else find this ?
Hi Dan,
Myself, pga retired.
See myself In your place, instruction.
If a golfer is a audiell pearson your lessen is perfect, nice.
If pupil is like me, a audio/ visuell, only show 1 swing it is not enough?
I did 5/7 swings and talk in my time as professional,
still nice clip from You,
By from Johnny80+
This is outstanding information and has really clarified some issues with my swing the direction. Thank you!
Wow! Youâre pretty brilliant brother. Really enjoyed this - I couldn't help but think that this is exactly the key to Tom Watson's swing AND to the longevity of success he's enjoyed. Everyone says his swing hasn't changed in the 40+ years he's been competitive and it's because he's had such a rotational swing. Well done mate!
Iâm not sure if Iâd call it new school as it was how the 2 best ball strikers of all time controlled the club and both(Ben Hogan and Moe Norman) played well before Els and Rose entered the picture. Controlling the club with the torso is just the correct way doing things. The torso represents 60% of our body mass and the larger mass moves the lesser mass. The torso moves the legs and arms not vice versa. Hands and arms are inconsistent and not good generators of force by themselves. Hogan understood the swing the best and how the body was best utilized.
Keep up the good work
Cheers
I'm working on doing this release and the ball striking is amazing (when done well). I would like you to spend more time on trouble shooting the results. In other words, if you miss left or right what happened and what is the correct fix.
James Andresen Yeah... What he said.
More Dan. More. Iâm gonna need some fixes converting over to this.
Looks to me like you might be right, but still, I think it is good to experience the way a closing club face causes the ball to accelerate off the club. Then you can close it albeit mainly with your body turn, rather than hanging back trying to make the club travel straight and getting an almighty slice like a huge number of amateurs do.
Hello Dan thanks for the video. How much tension is in the hands, wrists, shoulders etc? Do we still keep everything very relaxed?
Can you do a video like this with the driver and hitting it this way on the up swing? There are a lot of instructors like yourself putting videos like this out but it seems like it's always with an iron and a descending blow which I believe some research has concluded makes the face slightly open to the path according to trackman. So with the driver and an ascending blow the face would be more closed to the path and therefore totally different.
I hit my irons with this new release very well but the driver or anything with an ascending blow I still struggle with.
Yes Iâm exactly the same. Need help with the driver and ascending blow.
So, I've messed up my back doing the 'new school' method and so did Woods. Ive settled somewhere between the two shown here to try and balance out the pros and cons. Most pros if you watch their swings, they are stopping their bodies and releasing!
Yea I instantly was thinking isnât this a lot of strain on your upper and probably even knees by having so much torque in turning? No thanks, Iâm a big time golfer and donât want to screw up my back when I get older.
Do you also keep connection between your right upperarm and ribcage during the backswing Dan?
Mike Orban I use this swing and keep (or feel like Iâm keeping) the right upper arm connection the entire swing. Best ball striking Iâve ever had. It takes a ton of timing and moving parts out of the swing.
Excellent instructional, Dan. You might want to follow up with my "skipping a rock" analogy to my former students. What I mean is to take on the same spine posture as when skipping a flat rock across a body of water. So many amateurs 'stand up' through the shot, thus turning it into more of a baseball swing than that of a golf swing, which usually has less than stellar results. In other words, KEEP YOUR 'AT ADDRESS' SPINE ANGLE THROUGHOUT THE SWING. Think of your torso as a cement truck that whirls around in order to keep the cement moving.
As far as I see it, this is a most overlooked necessity as per the mechanics of an effective golf swing. If you practice 'skipping a rock' (with no rock, of course) while you're stretching before a round of golf or on the range, you'll find that the motion is much akin to that of a sound golf swing, so....go skip a rock, fellow golfers.
I've done both. However, the "new release" is more accurate but it is a slower release therefore you will have less distance. I hit my 7 iron 125 with the "new" release and with my older release I hit it 150 yards.
@Dan Whitaker Golf how's this holding up over the years? I keep coming back to this video and trying to figure out my swing. I basically do modern swing with driver and hit a little fade and do old school release power hook with everything else.
Very very well explained Dan......gonna put this in practice straight away. Cheers
Fantastic stuff.
I came back to golf last year after 15 yrs away with injury. It's videos like this that have given me the ability to reteach myself a new golf swing with real knowledge - and knowledge supported with scientific launch data (path, face to path, dynamic toe, etc).
I left the game, self taught, handsy, with a 12 handicap. 10 months back, with lots of range practice and with a new 'modern' swing, I'm a 6 handicap - and for the first time understand my swing and why things happen.
If you said to me 20 years ago the words (Path, Face to Path & Dynamic Toe), I might have figured out what you were talking about, but now, while on the range practicing, I think about this before each shot and then analyze the shot afterwards thinking entirely about these metrics to see if I delivered what I wanted to deliver.
The golfers we are going on Tour in 10 years that have grown up with this knowledge and with long modern clubs is going to be revolutionary
Missing explanation of desired divot shape.
Iâve been working on on this. Difficult to commit when playing since I revert back to low trailing shoulder and old habits when on the course.
Very objective video. Do you have an opinion on what older less athletic players should be emphasizing. It seems like a 2 way miss would be acceptable to a higher handicap less athletic player searching for distance.
Hi, Dan. It seems to me that what you are advocating here is The Hogan Swing. And though I could be wrong, it seems to me that most of todayâs modern players are simply trying to imitate Mr. Hogan. Thank you for your terrific work.
Great lesson, I think, really struggling with hitting fairways and greens. lots of army golf. I think from your description, I am an old school dropout meets new school, Except I didn't know it. Is there a cure for army golf?
jmack619 yes Iâm sure mr Whitaker or another top coach could cure you. I learned this rotational swing and release pattern from my coach golfletics in Arizona and he mentioned a few other great coaches but I cannot remember their names. Give him a look and Iâm sure he can point you in the right direction
Does this work the same with the driver? Also i know you spoke about it going left, but does this happen as well if you spin out to the left?
It does but u lose 20 yards minimum
Ok , Iâve got to ask, one, with this new swing, do we still hit out to the right? (Some say to first base) two, is this swing the same with the driver and irons? Thanks from Oz
I think you just keep rotating and donât worry about trying to hit out to the right.
Secondly for the driver Iâve tried the same swing as the irons and I donât hit it as far as my classic swing. Maybe I need to visit the Gym. I mean....have you seen the muscles on these top golfers today? In which case would you suggest this swing to the elderly who are losing strength?
Best instructional video Iâve seen.
Only just found this shit out and it's transformed my game. Luckily I'm only 42 and can adjust. I just keep the face closed on take back and use rotation to bring face around. Creates a nice draw for me.
This modern release seems a bit harder on the body than the old school. one could also argue it takes just as much practice and timing to rotate the body quick enough to generate the speed. lastly, the modern swing lacks an apparent rhythm that is challenging and unappealing. I don't see any differences in terms of distance and accuracy with old school swings (mickelson, daly, couples, bubba) and the new guys. I think the newer release does allow for a potentially less skilled golfer to get good in the game by training and powering through with little finesse. the tour pros and high level amateurs will likely gravitate to more of an old school release as they age. BTW, Justin Rose actually does have more of an old school release. He is a modern Sam Snead in that he uses moderate amounts of ground force, body rotation, as well as club face rotation; it is a nice blend, but not a modern, stable release.
Nice work. The world of golf is full of teachers that can't teach, nor can they hit a consistent shot, and you have the reason why here.
Dan when do the wrists turn over in the swing or when are they supposed to? Because when I look at someone like Rory Mcilroy as soon as heâs hit the ball his wrists turn over straight away to the point where his wrists are actually touching. Iâve tried this but end up hooking the ball badly.
try moving the ball position around. Rory plays his ball pretty far back and plays a push draw
So does this mean to start the down swing we need to move arms first? Get them down then move everything in sync? Seems like to do this you can no longer rip your hips to start the backswing
hi,still need good hand around the green and putting..thanks
Hi good stuff is the driver and three wood the same
Sounds like you mention
1. Roll release(Rory, Cantlay)
2. Hold release(spieth, Norin)
What about an under roll? More of a reverse roll? Isn't that what Koepka and DJ do? Koepka is SUPER handsy at impact but it's definitely not rolling.
Woodland does tons of body turn but I don't think most pros swing like him.
Iâve tried it the old way for a very long time with limited success. Next range visit, Iâll try this new (for me) technique! Thanks for the help Dan!