Old School Leg Action vs Modern Leg Action - Golf Swing Tips - DWG
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Old School Leg Action vs Modern Leg Action - Golf Swing Tips - DWG
Filling in the information between the old vs modern pivot and the old vs modern release, the leg action marries both parts of the swing together perfectly. If you want to know what your leg action should be doing for either of these swings then this is the video for you.
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Your comments at time markers 1:50, 5:03, and at 7:38ish are very very spot on. Your intro was perfect for this topic. Thanks again for doing a follow up on the previous video comparing the old style swing VS the modern swing. For a guy who was taught in the 1970's the old style swing and attempted to adapt it to this new swing youve really covered the key basics of the two well. Thanks again for your video post.
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen, I watched it, got it completely, went to the range and the results are amazing. It’s all about getting back into that squat position having stored the power and then BOOM. I’m 59 play off 11.9 but improving and this has really helped me. I know we’ve only just got back playing again but I’m striking it so much better and scores are below 10 handicap most game. Thank you
Best demo for this "new" leg move I've seen yet. Genius.
Thanks Dan. Really like this comparison between old and new school! As an old school player myself I have wondered for some time about this different leg action with the straigt left knee at the end of the swing. Finally someone explained it to me in a easy to understand way. It all has become clear to me now. It might be a bit late to change my swing after some 55 years of old school action, but your videos have really given me an incentive to try. Never too old??
After watching a couple of your videos, I’ve subscribed. Very good explanations Dan.
Thank you for explaining this stuff, very helpful !
Very good as an older golfer I often wondered what I should be trying to do. I have had some knee pain after a long time on the driving range and this helps explain why.
I think for older golfers it must be somewhere between old and new.
Brilliant demo. Thank you.
Outstanding lesson, thanks
Really good: now, Ben Hogan's famous answer to the question, "Where does the power come from?" becomes clear. "The power", as Ben said, "comes from the ground." I never slotted in the 21st Century "squat & stretch" move as the technique which best fits Ben Hogan's seminal statement, "The power comes from the ground." Good job, Dan.
Quality as always
Nice video Dan! I did one explaining the same idea. The interesting thing is that from my research most swings from before 1968 were more similar to the modern pivot driven swings. I believe teaching changed for the worse with high speed cameras and has now gone back to a more athletic motion because of the advanced tech (pressure plates and such). Now we are seeing the return to more rotational athletic moves like Snead, Palmer, Player, and Early Nicklaus.
Snead Squat .” Oh....”Still amazing, “after all these years.”
Dan, do you think you could look at doing a video on fairway woods? Setup, ball position, tee height and general swing/impact thoughts etc. Keep up the great content!
That 360 was impressive! 😮
Good lesson, well explained
Great strike ! Short powerful backswing!
Thanks so much for this awesome information Dan. Extremely illuminating. So the left hip going up and away creates the whip/change of direction at the bottom? Sounds like a plan. Thanks again!
Very interesting video. How do you play a half shot when you are relying on the body to square the club? Struggle to take anything off and still keep accuracy. Don't know if this is something other people find. I would be interested to see a video with some tips on how to take a bit off a shot and still keep everything coordinated
Hi Dan, love the video. Regarding the modern swing, I am having trouble with the softer, shorter irons. tend to pull or hook the iron when I ease off the power. any suggestions. Ross
A true legend 😂
This is a excellent overview Dan, thank you. I have the classic last century swing which looks nice (For the 1990s) but the wrists have always been a shot detriment. Having a hard time going into the 21st century with taking the wrists out. What would you work on first, upper or lower body? Im on information overflow between the 2. With appreciation - Patrick
Great! But what about the right hip, should it just turn back, or back and up? In the modern swing?
Nice can we have a slowmotion swing from te Back and fase on 7.10 please
The modern swing is a better choice for the irons. How about the woods, especially driver. Can you please do a video with the driver? Thanks for all the great videos.
Impressive jumping.
Golfers should think the body is the barrier to limit the arms actions before the body.
Our arms are designed for extension of the arms out of the body(outside/up/down/front/back) freely.
But when the arms move between the body sides, the skeleton perform as limitations to block the specific arm joint to make a excessive action. This is for protection and balance purposes. Only the barriers are cleared then the nerve system gives the muscles green light to act.
So we must beware of we are using the inner layer muscles to move the skeleton first untill the limbs control (the surface layer)muscles are given the green light.
Every front side bone control muscles are concentrated on the front center line and on the spine at the backside.
My opinion is: we only need to take care the moves of the front centerline(down from the virtual center line of legs,up to the throat pit) and just feel the reaction of the spine.
Period.
Quality
Great vid! Helping me a lot. I have been transforming my swing little by little that way since I met @jjrivet of biomecaswing. Where would you rank Ben Hogan’s swing?
What’s the feel Dan? Does the downswing start with the left knee opening up? To get to that, do you need to feel it coming in? Sam Snead style?
I like the knee to stay pretty stable in the backswing and turn out to initiate the downswing.
Dan, great video mate. Hoping you can answer a question as I can't find it elsewhere.
As you are in your set up for any shot are you allowed to lift your club and place it across your chest as a guide for alignment and then take your shot . Many thanks Colin.
I believe the rules prohibit you laying something on the ground to aid alignment so placing it across your chest should be ok.
@@paulkraus4226 many thanks Paul.
I'll take Mike Dunaway's leg action.
amazing the amount of power he had with his swing. It's the one I always watch to get tuned back up.
Would you recommend that 360 spin as a drill?
It’s definitely interesting to feel how much power you can get, give it a try.
Where should your shoulders be at impact. Parallel to the direction of swing or past
Shoulders should be square to target line at impact. Hands/handle should be in front of lead thigh for good shaft lean
Turn at 6:33 Really athletic.
I would like to know more about the arms in the downswing. Leave them dead, or put speed in them from 9 o clock
My instructor says to leave the arms passive. Their only job is to hold onto the club. I keep my arms and grip pretty loose - about 5-6/10. You just have to trust that the large muscles will bring everything through. You must finish with your chest facing the target - if you stop rotating your arms will take over and you're dead.
Keep both legs perfectly straight and you can rotate 360° effortlessly, but no golfer has both legs straight so please explain your analysis forease of rotation.
isn’t another big difference how people grip the club? in the palm vs in the fingers?
Sliding your knees is easier to teach than squating, turning is it not?
Sacrilege. Sacrilege I say, lol. If you grew up in Columbus, OH learning the game of golf in the late 70s there was only One Way to swing. Interlock the grip, drive the knees and swing down the target line as long as possible. I've got to be honest - after having become pretty proficient at the Golf My Way swing - it's really, really difficult to change to the Rotary Swing, especially, for full shots.
When You explain this, many things are revealed
and becomes crystal clear
It's funny this is now called the modern leg action. Snead, Palmer and many other greats were very squatting and rotational and not slidy. This is actually correct old school action. Now called 'modern'
great point, snead in particular blended all three sources of power beautifully : body rotation, ground force and clubhead rotation. takes a lot of innate talent to replicate that though.
The modern “ resist the turn with the lower half” is not useful for older golfers, most simply cannot do it any longer. They would be much better copying the old school swing of Snead and Hogan and straightening the rear leg on the backswing. This would give them far more rotation than attempting to keep the rear knee flexed. Golf instruction really should be age rated
What you say about the old style swing is not correct at all!! They used more leg drive & turned their hips more in the backswing but they were turning a lot too & they definitely did not sway or they very much had great compression on the ball. Ben Hogan for instance had hardly any hand action yet alone any flip of the hands.
All great golfers learnt as weak kids,all had to use legs lower body to swing heavy club
Most golfers learnt as strong adults most have weak or no lower body action, all arms with a bit of body turn
Most trying to do the modern swing Dan advocates will feel like they are doing an old 2 pivot swing! with a massive use of legs lower body action
Dan- my son is a brilliant ball striker but a poor putter, any chance you could cover off the putting fundamentals, he won’t listen to me, I’m his dad!
current players are the pre golfing machine concepts
If any weekend player is forcing a particular leg action in their swing then they are doomed. Once you overcomplicate the swing your game will never improve as you don't have the time to make the changes. Keep it as simple as possible, there are no magic tips
No rotation please!
The only rotation is made on the spine sections then accumulated to make it big.
The move of the body trunk and legs are implemented by contract one side to expand the other side, is it can be called "rotation"?
There are four cross sections could apply those actions. The knees, the groin line (precisely the bottom of pelvis), the waist (from the lowest full rib to the top of pelvis), the upper chest (the clavicle and scapula and the first three chest ribs).
Luckily, the muscles are all concentrated to the front center line.
For legs, it's the cross point of the leg inside lines
For groin line, it's the pubis
For waist, it is belly button.
For shoulder, it is the movable sternum.
What we need to do are just moving those control points properly. Although it is a somewhat complicated problem need lots of try and error effort.
Is it make sense?
The modern swing is harder for older recreational golfers to do. I am in my mid 60s and while I can do the modern swing it puts more stress on your back than the older swing.
Check out my last video
Does Coiling Hurt Your Back? - DWG czcams.com/video/aZB-CGj8k2g/video.html
I'm not sure I can agree with your comment, I am in my late 60's and find that coiling into my right glute in the Backswing and then squatting and pushing up with my legs in the Downswing puts much less stress on my Back.
For me, the key is not resisting my deep shoulder coil with my hips but allowing my hips to rotate fully. Also as I rotate in the Backswing I allow my hip turn to lift my left heel off the ground. I then initiate my Downswing by stamping my left heel back to the floor. I find this much easier on my back and I don't suffer any back pain following the Round.
I'm 68 and using these principles I can hit the ball significantly further and more consistently than when I was 50. 8 160, 3 wood 240, don't use the driver much. I don't have back problems but then again I never have. If you have too much tilt I think you can hurt your back a bit. I'm a believer in the "new" rotational swing. Good luck!
I’ll agree with some of the other comments that a proper athletic pivot is actually less stressful for your back because it moves the pressure into the legs and hips instead of the back.
That's a sign you need a different coach. You are likely combining elements from both styles and have the wrong grip matchup.
go watch any of the top men in the tennis world (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic) hit a jumping rotating forehand and you will instantly understand the modern golf swing - load the ground then rotate / extend / explode into the ball
Great point Paul, very interesting to look what other sports are doing
You wrong... the last action is old school. Not modern.
You need to be IN SHAPE to do the modern swing. All that torque can make you a chiropractor's best friend.
Ive been hitting a TON of balls practicing this swing and have had no back problems. With the old handsy swing i had lower back soreness. Im only 33 so take that as you will. Having said that, this seems to get my inner front hip a big workout as you fire it behind you.
The freedom of the hip turn is the classic action. The restricted action is what injures McIlroy, Day, and Tiger. Idk, but anyone advocating the restricted turn is really just screwing their students.