THE BENEFITS OF A MODERN ROTATIONAL GOLF SWING
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- The modern rotational golf swing is the most efficient way to put club to ball whilst playing golf. In this video Dan goes through the reasons why it's so efficient and what you should be doing to implement this swing in your game.
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I love how the 'new' modern swing, complete with the "body release" is the swing Ben Hogan taught in the "Five Lessons the Modern Fundamentals of Golf" Published in 1957. My pro taught it to me in 1967-70. I learned the 'new' modern swing taught by Flick and Toski, which required a lateral hip slide (stall) and snapping the hands through the ball, in the late '70s early 80s. Didn't play as much golf through the 90's and early 2000's. Now I'm relearning the swing I had at the start, just not as flexible or patient as I was when I was 7. :)
wow...I'm taking golf lessons right now and my coach is teaching me what you called the one peace takeaway. I had huge concerns with it because I was watching a lots of vids where the first positions with the shaft parallel to the grounds was the way to do it.
Now I understand where he is going with it.
Thanks for the explanations...
Serge, Canada
Thanks Dan. I understand now the modern swing.
This is absolutely the best video that I have ever seen in so far as explaining the swing. So many videos are showing the old style and the rotational swing. You just eliminated sooooo much confusion in how and what I need to practice. Thank you
Dan, I just broke par (-1) for 9 holes on my home course. These swing changes you are recommending really work. Not bad for a 13 handicap golfer who started watching your videos and putting them in practice from the start of this summer. Love your content. 🏌️👍
A real eye opener, thanks. Look forward to watching more of your videos.
Great content, all ways come back to theses videos when I loose my way thanks.🏌🏽keep up the great work .🏌🏽
Really enjoyed this video, great visual explanation to add to the changes and improvements I have made through the winter using your videos.
This is fantastic and helped me sort out what swing theory/tips/thoughts I should discard from lessons from two decades ago!
What an amazing explanation of the differences between the two concepts and the reasons to use the modern approach! Fantastic. I've recently discovered Dan Whitaker and find his instruction spot on! Thank you.
Really glad to find your channel, I've struggled with the old release for 15 yrs. Now I understand the body release and after 1 range session I'm so excited for my game having the potential for consistency. Gonna give this 6 months and see where I am. Thanks Dan.
Hi Dan, just wanted to say a massive thanks for the superb uploads I've recently come across and the clear, concise way in which you make the golf swing so much easier to understand for non-professionals. I'm currently a 3 handicap and had no idea there were different types of swing - hence I've been taking on conflicting information from different sources which has made for slow progress despite putting in the hours on the range.
Watching your videos on the rotational swing, consistent impact, and keeping the arms in front have meant that after years of lessons, watching videos and taking on different tips I finally understand how to make consistently good contact and keep everything connected in the swing.
I've recently had a lesson and that coupled with your videos is meaning I'm hitting the ball way further and cleaner than ever before.
So - many thanks from me and I'd imagine thousands of other golfers who've watched you videos - if you know where to look there's some great golf content on youtube but in my opinion your videos are the best by some distance. If I didn't live in Australia I'd be coming to see you straight away for a lesson or two.
Cheers,
Tom
Possibly the best online instruction ive seen. Delivered in an easy to understand way yet sufficient enought to understand the what and why. Thank you Dan! :)
Thank you Dan - tried this yesterday on the course after watching your video. It instantly added 40 yards and more consistency to my drives.
best explanation of this type of swing ive heard . something i have just started experimenting with . well done dan
Excellent video. Really liked how you contrasted the old style of “snapping” the wrists to the modern way of keeping the face square for a longer period of time. First time I’ve viewed your videos and I will be looking at more now.
Dan, you are a brilliant golf swing analyst. You are able to break down and explain each golf swing movement and its mechanical function in the total swing better than anyone. Thanks for a great lesson.
This is very informative, thank you Dan!
Excellent instruction.
Easy to understand thanks.
Hi,This is a really helpfull video lesson Dan. I discovered the one piece takeaway purely by chance after struggling with my swing for years. It immediately felt better, producing a more compact swing, a cleaner strike and a more penetrating ball flight! Thanks for putting the theory out there!
Just hopped over from Rick's channel. This is fantastic!
Best video I've seen on the golf swing !
Hi Dan, great video, really good explanation of the difference between the older swing types and the modern rotational swing. This will really help me to improve my swing. Have subscribed and will keep watching.
This is so enlightening! I have always been a slicer/fade kindda guy for last 20 years, and couldnt draw the ball at all. I know i had to create inside-outside path but when i tried to do that, i always got stuck behind and had to flip my hand at the impact. I have always been told to minimize the hip turn and that the power comes from the resistance. When i initiate my downswing with lower body, since i dont have pro-like flexibility, my upper body immediately rotates following the lower body, and then my swing plane is now shifted to outside-in path. Out-of-planet slice follows....
After watching this video, everything started to click in my head and realized that i wasnt creating enough depth in my back swing. Finally started to view things in 3d rather than 2d. So i allowed my hips to rotate for the first time in my life and try to create depth by flattening the arm plane perpendicular to spine. Now, i have so much more room in my right side where my arm can now be dropped and create the inside out path and hit the draw for the first time! The Greatest part of it is that i dont have to flip my hands to square the club. Even though face is still slightly open to target, path is now inside-out, and hence nice draw starting right of the target is created. All those swing thoughts on timing the impact and creating insideout path are now completely gone and all i have to do now is making sure that right elbow doesnt flare out and that i have enough depth. From there, i can just rip it without any swing thought in my head. Not worrying sbout what my hands are doing in downswing. My accuracy and consistency improved dramatically! And even my swing speed went up from 98-102mph to 108-112mph because i could just rip it without worrying about timing the impact!!
Thank you Dan!!
Double thumbs up if I could - been searching for this comprehensive and cohesive approach for years!
Thanks for this great analysis Dan. I have been struggling with lower left side back pain in my swing. The demonstration with the bat and the old school wrist turn over explains exactly why I have rotational based pain. As I attempt to hold the club face square through impact, I am adding further tension on my lower back by resisting the need for my upper body to turn in the old school fashion. IMO your video does a better job in explaining the source of stress on the back than Brandel Chamblee's recent book. It is easy to see why holding the wrist is more desirable because the timing of turning wrist over is easily missed resulting in an off square face; however, for me, Jason Day and others it is not with out a cost on the lower spine.
The Best video on CZcams on how to swing a golf club. Period
Agreed.100%
Very interesting thoughts on the rotational swing. Worth watching.
Switched over from Rick's channel as well. I was a 29 handicap last year and now I am a 14.3 just from watching videos and golf and lots of practice. I hit the ball really far and 80% of the time straight. Ex, my 7 iron I hit 200-210 yds avg. This year I have played 107 rounds of golf already and spend countless hours at the range. I'm trying to be more consistent with my swing and have been watching you work with Rick for The Open next year. So I been tweaking my swing lil by lil until I can get that consistency. What I have noticed what I do sometimes is I have that little lean forward on my backswing and my shoulder turn sometimes dips and that's when I fade the ball. Hopefully from watching you and Rick I can correct this. Thanks for your videos .
great video, closing the face is my issue I fight with and I don't want to have to flip otherwise I could go left. Squaring it with the body is the way forward
Brilliant. Just learning this with my pro!!
Very very good coach & info Dan.
Great video, enables me to strip out a great deal of the contradictory advice accumulated over the years.
HehDan! Great work. I'm tall, my height is due to long legs and moderate torso. However, my arms are not real long, I might be giving up an inch to someone my same height. I always wondered why I could get my arms up high enough on the back and now I understand there's a relationship between arms and torso that can only be changed if I force my arms higher, but causing huge corrections in the downswing. I started working on a more rotational swing in early 2018, stayed with it and shot more rounds in the 70's than ever. I let my arms work in concert with my body rotation, arms parallel to shoulders. I use my height to my advantage instead of fighting it. That height creates a wide arc and I compress the heck out of the ball. No more flipping of the club, no more trying to have perfect timing. Your work is outstanding.
Great explanation. Thanks.
Best channel on CZcams, thanks Dan
Very well explained
Great insight between old and modern certainly the modern swing will help us amateurs for more consistency 😃👍
I while ago I tried to switch to a more rotational swing after watching your videos and I ran into a problem that I think I missed the first time around, which was the take away to close the face. I always felt I couldn't turn my body enough to close the face so I had to pre-close it with my hands on my takeaway, but still had the roll release in my swing. I'm getting a constant feedback now from the club pros that i'm not releasing the club so I'll just need to stay vigilant :) Thanks for the video.
you are the best youtube pro . Thank you very much !!!
Dohyoung Kwon Without question, and genuine passion to share knowledge with a view to helping people improve and enjoy the game. A great business model too as I like many others who watch these posts just want to book a series of lessons !
Excellent instruction
As I stated in one of your previous videos, I used both methods. The "new release" is more accurate but it doesn't create as much club head speed. Using the "new" release I average about 125 yards with my 7 iron but with my older release I average about 155 yards. The modern players create power by dropping down on their downswing and then pushing up with their legs. However, learning this method requires a lot of work, I'm not convinced that the average golfer can dip and push off like the pros do. Many youtube golfers say "This is how Rory does it...." However, 99% of golfers are not Rory and they make it to the range 2-3 x weekly and therefore they can't put in the same amount of practice. I'm not sold on this method for the average golfer, it may make them more accurate but they will lose many yards unless they learn push off with their legs.
Love the videos mate! Keep me up!
Nice summary! I grow up learning golf during the Faldo/Leadbetter era and it was definitely a very overcomplicated swing method. Lots of side and rotational movement into the right leg, lift your arms from halfway into the "slot" and then try to move back into the hitting position from there. Impossible to hit it long and consistent as you would be all over the place due to the reason it is extremely hard to sync. Faldo managed it by extremely hard work, talent and by simply not following the method in all parts I believe. Faldo restricted his head side movement and stayed more centered in the backswing than the written instructions allowed you to do for example. Leadbetter built his golf imperium during this time and I would would almost draw it to the point that Leadbetter "scammed" the whole golf world for quite some time with his methods earning a lot of money. He is more of a brilliant business man rather than a golf coach in many ways. Today he is trying the same business setup with the A swing concept. Recruiting top tour players to the concept and then sell it to the amateur golfers. The A swing! But he will not pull it of this time as Lydia Ko did not follow him this time.
Playing golf for almost 30 years Hogans basics seems to be the method people come back to time after time after each new popular swing concept method has fainted.
i kinda agree with you about the whole leadbetter golf and business system, i still have the books, tapes and dvd's to prove it. i think the modern rotational swing is sort of based on what he was teaching but guys like dan have simplified it for us. i didn't fall for the A-swing hype.
Well explained and right on the money
very well explained.
This explains how guys like Jason Day, Bryson Dechambeau and Rory, of course, can blast their drives a country mile...with accuracy! They're focused on maintaining their spine angle, established at address, and rotating around that axis like a bitch out of hell with no conscious manipulation of their hands at any point in their swings.
From this wonderful video, I was finally able to understand why I was constantly hitting fat shots, particularly, with the longer irons and woods. I was slowing my rotation of my body through the hitting zone. By doing so, that alters the orientation of my arms in relation to my spine angle. This explains why the pros always finish in the same beautiful and balanced finish...and, conversely, why I never finish my swing perfectly balanced. The more I focus on maintaining balance and posture and rotating around a steady and stable core, the better my shots are flighting. The two-color baseball bat showed me what I needed to do to execute a proper golf swing and, now, I have an excellent "picture" in my mind's eye of what I want to achieve on every golf single golf shot, regardless, of length! Thank you for sharing this video on youtube, Dan. Great work, my friend!
Thanks Dan An excellent historical resume although some might disagree that the body position was not as immaterial as you seem to suggest (Faldo /Leadbetter covered this in considerable detail in their videos of the 90s)
You cover the modern rotational extremely well and help the average golfer such as myself to understand better how our inconsistency arises. To maximise club head speed presumably the correct grip and pressure are very important ingredients. Could you however possibly elaborate particularly on grip pressure and its importance please?
this swing has forever changed my golf game for the better. Dan Whittaker is the man
Well done Dan. Your explanation of the history of, and the mechanics of the modern rotational swing were easy for me to follow. I'm in the process of changing and having trouble keeping my hands quiet through impact because the old roll over is ingrained. Can you suggest a drill? Regards Tom
Thank you for making this very good and interesting video. That tennis racket and baseball make it very easy to see 👍 I have been testing on the range and also playing similar swings. Classic against modern swing. With both swings i can hit good shots and almost identical distance. With modern swing maybe litel more compression and woods feel more accurate. I also think that modern swing needs good body rotation and classic is better if you can't rotate your body enough. I will try modern beacause to me it feels there is more potential. I think that with both ways you can play very good golf 👍🙂
Great stuff
Terrific video Face sends path bends Genius!
What a phenomenal video. That baseball bat! I would pay more for it than for the new Taylor made Driver!
I guess I missed one element in your explanation (and correct me if I am wrong please...): The cupping of the wrists in a straight or bowed way seems to me as an essential component in the rotational swing and this is why: In order to see both colours of the bat at all times during the swing is to avoid pronation and supination. In my opinion (and please correct me because I am by no means an expert in the matter) if you cup the wrists the more traditional (Hogan style) you are forced to either do a transition to a bow wrist (like Hogan did) or you will have to flip the hands to square the club fase. Either one of those techniques to square the club would screw up the biggest advantage of the rotational swing which is to do a natural release (without any pronation/ supination or handsy compensations) with a square face at all times.
This is what I love about the modern swing: It requires more athleticism, a strong core and solid forearms but it is easier to keep the ball straight and let the club head "go were it wants to go" and keep the hands away from manipulating the shot... You take in one piece, bow the hand a bit (just enough to bring the right elbow down and avoid any moment from the top) and fire the hips with "dead" arms and hands which will release through the ball freely every time without any manipulation of the arms or hands at least after two feet or more past the ball after that it matters very little were they end up (and that is why Dustin Johnson or Rham have such different finishes.
A penny for your thoughts.
Cheers! And keep these incredibly good videos coming!
Nicely explained video Dan. One question though: you talk about the one piece takeaway making it easier to square the club, and demonstrate by moving from the beginning of the takeaway down to impact. I don't see how this is relevant without explaining how taking the club away in such a fashion promotes returning it in such a fashion. A player could still easily flip at impact with a one piece takeaway, in my opinion, as backswing and downswing are not necessarily mirror images of one another. I hope that all makes sense. Perhaps you could explain how the one piece takeaway promotes body rotation squaring the club.
Fantastic vid! Started lessons with James Goddard who teaches this method and doesn't have a bad word to say about you pal!
Thanks Mr. Dan Whittaker.
Interesting comments about Faldo - when he came up against the bombers of the late 90's
he went back to Leadbetter and said virtually I need another 30ydson my driver distance like Ernie Els. (Els v Faldo swings completely different release) . Leadbetter basically said you have spent a decade building what you have( multiple Major winner ) be grateful and play on Senior tour when old enough .
Ernie had good and bad days off the tee like Phil Mickelson - both can launch it .
Fantastic video to help me understand why after 10 years of not playing my new coach has blown my mind about golf. Ps that's a squash racket. 😂
Good stuff
Brilliant!
Very good video
What's your opinion on a single plane swing I have bad knees and I been using the Moe Norman swing but I would love to get a little more distance
Have you done a release video using Scott aScheffler technique
I have practised this rotational swing last winter, yes better face control but less distance.
Also with much more body movement, not so good for older guy(46).
Came over after watching Rick's videos. This is truly great. Very informative & explained wonderfully. I look forward to more videos in the future! Just wish you were in the states so I could get an in person lesson.
How do I register on your site?
I've just started watching your video and it makes a lot of sense. I've tried it but just to clarify, do you start the downswing with the ands dropping down and then the hips and shoulders turning? also I find I'm getting more distance if I keep my left arm against my chest on the down swing. Does that make sense to you?Thanks for an interesting video
if i may be so bold? im a low hcp/juniortrainer (golf) and former mma trainer. ive tried alot of swings and i swing like he wants you to swing. its the best allround swing by far. good distance, ballcompression. and bad shots arent so bad or dangerous. start your downswing with your shoulders and hips. so you "trap the ball". and you dont risk so much injuries or stress because rotating is more natural for your body than flicking wrists, forearms and rely on super timing. remember that holding the grip super gentle makes for more kinetic energy. anyway good luck in the future with a swing you can really enjoy golf with. greets from Norway:)
Thanks for that morten
I am a side cover golfer with a weak right hand grip and find that letting the right elbow go behind me is much easier to swing. I find the one piece takeaway doesn’t work at all for me.
Hey Dan, fancy a game of squash?
Takes a while to trust that the face will square but after you figure it out you'll never go back to rolling your hands over...you just have to be avle to rotate hard
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Please help me understand. Would Hogan be an example of a body pivot/modern swing? All of today's pros release their hands and flip their club heads over. You can pause the videos and see the butt end of their club down the line after their release. With Hogan and many of the more traditional guys (the greats) resisted the flipping force of the hands as you demonstrated with the baseball bat.
This confused me because you can also look at the clubhead of the modern tour pros from a down the line view and see that, as the club face appears around their bodies on the followthrough, it is shut and facing toward the ground and not square to their bodies/shoulder pivot.
Agree with Sam, that Ben Hogan was a true pivot driven swing, with his body turn squaring the clubface.
From top of BS, Hogan dropped into the Slot(ref 5L), he did not keep his left arm on the shoulder plane.
After dropping into the Slot, he rotated his torso, to square the clubface.
Unlike todays pros, he did not use beta torque , to square clubface with his hands.
(forearm muscles are the muscles of the fingers, not arms) ie he didnt hit with his hands, as so many pros do today. As Dan W says, hitting with the hands, is very timing dependent. IMO, Tiger 's swing today is an example of the modern pga swing, very long and good when timing is on. When timing is off, misses are both ways, at anytime.
If Ben Hogan was the epitome of the pivot driven swing, how can that type of swing be called, Modern?
I love the concept but try as I might, I could never make it work. Holding on pulled my body out of alignment and it wouldn't work under pressure. Plus it wrecked my back. Swing it like Geiberger. (and a host of others who focus on what hits the ball)
Dan is God!
body in control off the arms ,hands. Same as Leadbetter..
The only down side of this swing is the feeling of cutting in… feel more like pulling out-to-in
Mordern swing(perfect plane) = more injuries
even if applied correctly... there will be lower spine lateral compression... right ?
@@klausklaus9112 Yes it will and it leads to injury of the back at some point.
hey robert ... quite some time since i posted ... in the meantime i had the chance to talk to a very knowledgeable therapist ... his take was that the spine can take a lot if one trains hard his glutes ... the botocks and the inghinals ...For the spine , in his view , a solid foundation and regular stretching go a long way ...
now , i dont know all that much ... but since then i started doing a lot of genuflexion and running and such and trained my legs and my behind quite hard ; and also dialled back the swing speed and never had back pains again ... couldnt say exactly which one helped or maybe all together but ... no more pain ... And lost some weight in the process ... ;)
hope that helps , all the best
True yes...I'm 31 years old and have had multiple herniated discs...I believe I'm doing it properly too (college golfer, 5 hc), I'm trying to swing differently now that my career is over and I play for fun, but truth be told, I simply can't generate the power that I can with my normal swing
karl pilkingtom
One thing I'd like to add to the comment, below...
You need to be of reasonably good fitness, imho, to be able to execute the modern golf swing (the way the pros do on TV).
The truth of the matter is, your average weekend hacker (which I consider myself to be) will never be able to hit consistently great golf shots because they (we) simply do not have the flexibility, strength and balance to rotate around a stable spine. Maintaining dynamic balance with pinpoint accuracy and body control is like searching for the holy grail for folks over the age of sixty (I'm 62). This is the fallacy, aka, the "bait and switch" of golf instruction. Because, even if you know what needs to be done in a well executed golf swing, if you don't have the legs, ass, back and upper torso to rotate with speed, you will, invariably, hit crappy shots.
Thus, a good instructor's FIRST instruction to every student regardless of age should be, "quit the booze, eat, sensibly, get plenty of rest and exercise/stretch your ass off...if you want to play this game, well."
You're just bad
people dont realize traditional swing, they square the club going to impact and release or roll it after impact.
The key word here is after impact they roll it.
They are not rolling it before the impact.
My question is. Everyone is teaching the modern way nowadays but is there any case where you’d be teach the old way ?
You Will missing Some distance Belaubre THE swingspeed delende of de shoulderrotation so iT is a benefiet for yongsters
You demonstrate the first move of a 'classic' swing, a la Faldo as move the hands into that first parallel position without moving the shoulders. Yet, if you watch Faldo's swing in the 80s and 90s, he moves his shoulders to get his arms and hands moving, so your comparison of the old classic swing to the modern swing is already skewed. Modern day golf teaching puts too much emphasis on moving specific body parts in specific ways, which drags a player's attention away from what the clubhead is doing. How can you get the clubhead on the ball correctly when you're thinking about turning the shoulders in a specific manner? We don't think about how our body parts move when we're throwing a ball, a stone, a frisbee, we just do it, and the golf swing is no different. Teaching people to move body parts in certain ways drags them further and further away from their natural instincts of how to throw a ball or a frisbee, and therefore of how to swing a golf club. What Faldo and the other great players from what you call the classic era did so well was instinctively know and feel exactly where the clubhead was at all times in their swing, proving that this instinctual skill is more important than technique.
I learnt golf from Faldo's videos in the nineties. The first move he taught was the one piece take away. He did not have his club face vertical at the midway back position, but parallel with his spine angle. His left arm at the top of the backswing was a few degrees higher than his shoulder line, in fact, just as is the left arm in the swing of Adam Scott and McIlroy. Faldo never taught that the club crosses over the hands at impact, which is simply an optical illusion. Tiger hit it further because he was vastly more flexible and athletic. Your characterization of Faldo's swing and teaching methods is quite wrong, as watching his teaching videos of the nineties would immediately show.
Note, I am agreeing with Mark here. By "you" in my comment, I mean Dan.
Wow what a long and gay comment
"Get stuck in" may be being used by another CZcamsr, don't upset the Parfield Massive
Loving the Vids tho Dan, as a mid 40's golfer I'm adapting my swing to suit, simple moves are always the most effective. After following Rick/Crossfied and now yourself, I've been cut 3.5 shots to 13 in 3 months.
Those are strange clubs you have
Isnt this game hard enough? Why would you want to go back ON plane then have to turn your body and go upward coming through? This is just fighting gravity! Wouldn't it make more sense to swing back above the plane then let gravity get you back on the plane and swing through? As far as the release what you demonstrate here is a true "flip"! This can be done with ANY type of swing. A release pattern is only 1 component in a golf swing. Not all modern swing golfers turn through and not all classic golfers flip. You can also swing through with your body in a "classic" swing. Jack Nicklaus did not release the way you discuss here. As a matter of fact you use Tiger's dominance as an example. His dominant years were with a"classic" swing and his injury came with Foley("modern" swing). Who hold all the golf records? Classic or modern? Who are the top 20 in the world currently? Lpga, PGA, ASIA, EUROPE, Long drive?
It is 1 way to swing a club sure yet it is NOT easier or more consistent! Disagree? Please provide stats from tours and average amateurs who do this swing without a lot of coaching or maintenance. Look how long Peter Finch has been with you(at least a year) and how much time, effort, money, thought etc... he has put in. His improvement is negligible.
Wow I wish our PGA taught us that every move in golf is based in how we are built. Search Mike Adams Golf to learn more