Old School Pivot vs Modern Pivot - Golf Swing Tips - DWG
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Old School Pivot vs Modern Pivot - Golf Swing Tips - DWG
Most modern tour players control their swing with their bodies, as opposed to the old school way of swinging from the era of great players like Jack Nicklaus. Is one way better than the other for the average golfer?
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Great advice, spot on teaching. When you watch pros live, all of them are rock solid on pivot whatever the individual quirks, this is a constant. There are no secrets in golf but a few essentials and Dan is right to highlight this. Feels a bit claustrophobic at first particularly in the dswing but stick with it. Also helps short game, bunkers...great clip👍
This is a great video. I struggled for a while with bad habits with my takeaway which led to a reverse pivot and keeping my weight on my lead leg. I now make a better turn taking the club away and breaking my wrists properly and I'm getting much better consistency, speed and distance and it feels like much less effort.
Awesome Video Dan 👍
brilliant as ever Dan.
I'm 60 yrs old. 10.8 HDCP. Play white tees. I've been playing and studying the game for 43 years. I learned the old pivot from Golf Digest magazines in the late 70's through the 80's. Ive played with both these pivots. The old pros who play the game for living could get that timing down and make it work a high level. As a weekend golfer I'm looking for swing foundations that will allow me to be consistent and keep up my ball striking confidence. I want to keep my HDCP and occasionally shoot in the 70's. Great work. I'm a subscriber.
Im also 60 and off 5hcp Ive always liked/agreed/got Dans videos except this one!
As someone coming back into the game after several decades away this helps a lot and explains consistency problems I was having. Simple effective advice, ta muchly.
Underated chanel, sage technical advice delivered in very understandable way, man knows his stuff
Wow! Had NO idea... And here I am rocking that pelvis.....no wonder my game is not going anywhere!! Cheers Dan, keep up the great work
Mike Austin taught a tilted pelvis in his pivot. He had a degree in kinesiology, so I'm sure there was a reason he taught it that way...
Some good check points there, thanks!
That was great. Thanks and well done!
Agree with Sam King's comment. This is just plain wrong about the "old school" swing! They did not move their shoulders over their right foot, they moved their lower spine to the right. There was no swaying of the head and shoulders to the right!!! The new style golf swing is why so many golfers have back problems, to much torque on the lower spine. (IMHO)
After watching his video i m hooked. I can now appreciate my son's modern swing better. He plays to a 3 n i just cant understand how he could generate such huge power a la George Gangkas. Thank u Dan. Old school swing n modern swing is so so different.
Great video. Thanks
Excellent! Been meaning to ask you about the pivot :-)
Dan, I challenge your contention the old school pivot is less consistent. Players now a days seem to hit the ball all over the lot comparably. I know some is the golf ball launch and spin rates, but still i think the modern pivot consistency advantage across the board is tough to prove. If anything the modern pivot lacks a rhythm the old school pivot provides which can help tempo and consistency.
Very good instruction
Great video - Consistency name of the game 👍
Interesting video Dan, and isn't this what Jack Nicklaus taught in 'golf my way' pivoting around an imaginary state through the centre of his body. I don't recall seeing many pro's moving in the way you describe with so much body and head movement.
I enjoy your technical breakdown of the swing. A lot of good instructors out there but you are awesome. I have improved so much from videos you do and this one is what I am working on. Consistency is what is hard to do. Thanks Dan for a great video again.
Mike Austin/Mike Dunnaway, Colin Montgomery and countless others have/had compound pivots without head movement like you demonstrate. Jimmy Ballard teaches that the head moves away and towards the target A LOT! (along with the tailbone) His students did pretty good for themselves. It's the "Austin" pivot for me, since my hip replacement. 5 years of Stack and Tilt was too much wear and tear.
Dan would you agree that the older players were using equipment that wasn’t as good as current players? And if so didn’t those older school players still shot extremely low scores? Would you say that modern players score better more often than the greats of the past? Is it possible that their older techniques helped them to attain their greatness? Sorry for all the questions please help me with these thoughts. Please and thank you! 🙏
I don't think a classic pivot has the weight shifting in the manner you describe, as Snead and Hogan's heads didn't shift like that. It's more about the freedom in the hip turn, allowing the leading side to release (knee, hip, and heel) to "shift" the weight. It's still a turn, as the right leg is always braced against the backswing turn, but the head doesn't move like that in any swing, and the weight shift is always centered around the neck.
I think the only real difference in classic vs "modern" pivot is the freedom of the lower body.
Very well said. Agree. I also have a problem with Dan's notion of "weight shift". As if wt moves. I see it more as pressure shifts. The right leg being loaded by deweighting the left momentarily. This then motivates the pressure shift targetward.
Hogan swings more like a modern swinger
i have found that the correct pivot action is the key to the swing and consistency. more important than arm swing because if you get the pivot correct the arms move correctly.
Can you still lift your left heel up on the backswing?
I have gone back to a 2 pivot swing But Ive stopped shifting as much weight as i used too and my head moves a lot less.I would call it a 2 pivot pressure swing, the right side is connected to the right pivot and the left side connected to the left pivot.So on the backswing although my right pivot dominates at least 60/40 my left side doesnt just move accross it loads into left pivot.This is hard to explain but looking forward to having a chance of winning our delayed club champs at age of 60 giving youngsters a run for the money.
Unbelievable! must have gone down a few rabbit holes! as what i thought id found i had 3 years ago!
But i did win the CC but a small field at local muni But now joined a bigger private club so onwards and upwards with my New Old swing!
My thought, for what it is worth (maybe a penny or nickle at the most) is 2 axis swing for driver and single axis for irons. That's because of the ball position for the most part. There, worth a penny?
I believe a picture is worth a 1000 words. Make full.swings showing the difference would.be more appropriate between the old and the new. Visual is best!
I never realised there were two schools of thought. I'm more old school moving towards new I just worked out ☺
Try this while recovering from a stroke and Open Heart surgery. It can be done.... sort of. Balance issues a plenty.
What about a closed vs open stance?
As I watch your video i realise ive got a modern pivot! but id still call it a 2 pivot swing!
Seve B. never swung in the way you describe. And I'm not sure many, or maybe even any pros swung like this in the 80s or 90s. What youre describing is more how older, unathletic amateurs swing in a misguided way to create power (b/c, contrary to what your claim in the video, sliding your weight from right to left decreases power). More players in the 80's, and even moreso in the 40's-60's were more "swingers" of the club than "hitters" of the ball with looser, more pronounced leg action, deeper right hip, etc., but they werent sliding their weight all over the place. Re: Seve, it looked a bit like he slid to his right side, but only because he did a sort of full body forward press to trigger his swing, and by the time he was 1/4 into his backswing had his head and weight centered and kept it there throughout the rest of the swing. In fact, at the top of his backswing his right hip position is the opposite of the "old pivot" you describe (where the right hip has moved away from the target during the backswing), and has actually moved closer to the target, even moreso than the "modern pivot" you describe where a small amount of "daylight" is created as the right hip moves back.
Nicklaus ,Snead ,Tom Watson still great models to emulate
San Jose California Golf Coach and Mike Austin 😉
Who are those guys
Personally I feel that my body below my mid chest Does rotate around 2 pivot points my legs/hips. But because Im turning into the ground and behind me, my pressure shifts but my weight stays centered! My spine stays fluid and stable I dont turn it or pivot around it or Id bugger up my back! The other two pivot points (another video) are my shoulders supported by my pecs these are the speed generators they work against/with the club.The spine tries to keep stable and fluid as a counter to all the dynamic action!
PS having watched the whole of the video! we are both reaching the same sort of outcome but in completely different ways!
Use a doorstop wedge under your back foot.
Or you can just simply say just feel mid spine is not turning too far away from the ball and it’ll keep you centered. Trying to feel the left shoulder turn just slightly past the golf ball restricts shoulder turn, and technically the thoracic spine is doing the shoulder turn in the backswing
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I,ll stick with old school pivot modern pivot is for young athletic golfer,would you teach modern pivot to ageing golfer S/J.
This is fucking gold
It,s only for young fit golfer who trains every week,not for middle age golfer who,s not so flexible,i think the old swing is more body friendly.why did they change from the old to the new beats me.S/J.
old style shifted 100% to the back foot. doesn’t make that them moor dynamic? you needed more timing and it made the game moore difficult/complex. modern play needs less timing which gives room for other elements. jumping from right to left is also using lot of ground force. modern equipment makes it easier foor us amateurs, that is for sure.
I don't believe this applies to everyone. I noticed myself when I have a more "head behind ball" pivot i have no urge to cast and naturally have lag in my swing without thinking about it, when i have a more centered pivot i want to throw the lag away immediately for some reason
2:43 I’ve noticed a lot of European instructors bounce up and down and hop from side to side prior to addressing the ball. The other Brits do it too. It’s like the yips or something.
2:34 ... or, sliding your head back off the ball is totally wrong vs pivoting correctly. this guy is WAY off.
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Not sure why people always say this? Must be one of those wives tales, passed down through generations of golfers.
Old school swingers weren’t having back operations. There’s a lesson for you.
Old school swingers also didnt do weight lifting or swinging it at 120mph. Theres a lesson for you.
Joel Talusen its not the weightlifting or SS that causes bad backs. It’s the modern method. Take for example an impact still frame of Tiger in his heyday and Mike Austin in his. Tiger has a lot of spine compression. Which is squatting the upper body and extending, spinning the hips at impact. No good. Austin, Snead, Morrison, Grout, Hogan, Jones, etc never made those moves. The modern method works for the young but eventually it will catch up with you.
Yes, its only a matter of time before the torque will get you.